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It may not be able to do so in the future, though

Apple managed to meet analyst expectations regarding its second quarter earnings report, and even plans to dole out additional cash to investors. 

For Q2 2013 that ended March 30, Apple posted a net profit of $9.5 billion ($10.09 per diluted share). However, profit was down 18 percent compared to the same period last year; this was Apple's first year-over-year profut decline in nearly 10 years. Revenue came in at $43.6 billion, which was a boost from $39.2 billion in the year-ago quarter. 

Analysts expected around $10.07 per share on revenue of $42.5 billion.

Second quarter sales were at 37.4 million iPhones, 19.5 million iPads and a little under 4 million Macs. 

“We are very fortunate to be in a position to more than double the size of the capital return program we announced last year,” Tim Cook, Apple’s CEO, said in the statement. “We believe so strongly that repurchasing our shares represents an attractive use of our capital that we have dedicated the vast majority of the increase in our capital return program to share repurchases.”

Apple now has $145 billion in cash, and the board announced that it will return an extra $55 billion in cash to shareholders as part of a capital program that was introduced in March 2012. The board said it will double the $45 billion cash-return program, intending to up the spend on share repurchases and buybacks to $100 billion through the end of 2015.

For Q3 2013, Apple expects sales of $33.5 billion-$35.5 billion and gross margin is expected between 36 percent and 37 percent. Analysts were anticipating Q3 sales of $39.34 billion and gross margin of 38.8 percent. 


Many investors weren’t expecting the best figures to come from Apple’s quarterly earnings report this time around, mainly because the Cupertino-based company has had a pretty tough year – and it shows in the company’s stock price. Apple shares have fallen from $702.10 in September to $406.13 at the time of this article. The stock price plunged to $400 after supplier Cirrus Logic Inc. warned investors that its margins had weakened. This is indicative of Apple’s weak sales of flagship devices because Cirrus's chip stock fluctuates mainly with the sales of Apple's devices – since that’s its largest customer.
 
Apple ditched Google Maps as its main iOS maps app in favor of its own in-house service last year. Apple Maps debuted with the iOS 6 launch in September, but the application failed miserably when it came to navigation and geography. Apple CEO Tim Cook was even forced to apologize for the mishap.
 
Beyond the mapping issues, Apple had a huge executive shakeup in 2012. In October, Apple Vice President of iOS Software Scott Forstall was booted from the company as a result of the poor job on the maps app. John Browett, head of Apple Retail, was fired at the same time for orchestrating a failed retail hiring formula. A month later, Richard Williamson -- manager of the Apple mapping team – was fired as well.
 
Competition from Google’s Android operating system and it’s key hardware maker Samsung has posed a huge threat toward Apple, too. Apple's iPhone only represented about 19 percent of worldwide smartphone shipments in 2012 while all Android-powered smartphones accounted for about 70 percent. Android will even beat Apple in the tablet sector this year, according to a new report from IDC.According to IDC, iPad shipments are expected to make up 46 percent of the tablet market for 2013, down from 51 percent in 2012. Android-powered tablets are expected to increase their market share to 49 percent in 2013, up from 42 percent in 2012.

Samsung is expected to break another profit record for its fiscal Q2 2013 quarterly earnings, with an earnings guidance of $7.7 billion USD profit (up from $5 billion USD in the year-ago quarter).

Apple and Google are even branching out to another competitive realm in mobile electronics: wearable technology. Google is now offering its Google Glass headset (which is an augmented reality device) for $1,500 to early adopters and Apple is developing a smart watch, which could be released as early as this year. Microsoft is said to be working on a smart watch, too.
 
Apple showed a bit of fear in March during the eve of the Samsung Galaxy S IV launch. Phil Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of worldwide marketing, told The Wall Street Journal that Android's fragmentation was "plain and simple" and that Android-powered devices are the kinds of phones that are given as free replacements to feature phones. He also said that iOS is a much more smooth experience because Apple is responsible for both the hardware and software.
 
While Apple clearly had a ton of problems to contend with over the year, one of the major worries that investors have is whether Apple can continue to create innovative products and keep up with the likes of Samsung/Google. Many have complained that the iPhone has only had very minimal changes over the years, and that competitors are taking greater risks as far as hardware/software design and functionality.

Apple is looking to improve, however, with recent efforts like bringing hardware and software design teams together for greater collaboration. This could mean greater, more innovative products on the way.

Source: Yahoo News



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Tony's pwned
By Pirks on 4/23/13, Rating: 0
RE: Tony's pwned
By retrospooty on 4/23/2013 6:08:58 PM , Rating: 5
Here is some more interesting stuff...

In the past year... Google up 35%, Apple down 29%

https://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds...

Oh wait, is that a flash site? For those with iPhone/iPad here is a link that will work with your device. Thank goodness we have options :P

http://i.imgur.com/aeeXnmx.jpg


RE: Tony's pwned
By Tony Swash on 4/23/13, Rating: -1
RE: Tony's pwned
By retrospooty on 4/23/2013 6:54:58 PM , Rating: 3
Bleah... Again (again[again]) No-one is saying that. All anyone in pointing out is that the free ride is over and that Apple us going to have to start working for it again. Simply regurgitating the same products with minor improvements can only last so long. Apple will remain ridiculously profitable in the near term, its just not growing like the past 5 years.

A while ago you askes me when I think profit will fall for the first time in years and I guessed withing the next year? Well, there you have it. Q v Q profit is down... :P


RE: Tony's pwned
By Tony Swash on 4/23/13, Rating: -1
RE: Tony's pwned
By retrospooty on 4/23/2013 7:35:25 PM , Rating: 2
That would be an extremely optimistic view of things... But then again, look whos talking ;)

In general you put alot of drama and wind into Apples sails. What is likely is that Apple will "plateau" and remain extremely profitable. If they keep stagnating, it will slowly drop and if they go back to innovating it will rise... Not really rocket science. Rumours of the lower priced iPhone turned out to be true... Very likely so will the UI redesign and larger model rumors. If they do that they will probably rise.


RE: Tony's pwned
By Pirks on 4/23/2013 9:03:37 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Rumours of the lower priced iPhone turned out to be true
What?! Where's my $100 iPhone 6? Nowhere to be found? So where are you taking this BS from then? Where can I find those cheap iPhone 5 at least?


RE: Tony's pwned
By retrospooty on 4/23/2013 9:49:32 PM , Rating: 2
"What?! Where's my $100 iPhone 6? Nowhere to be found? So where are you taking this BS from then? Where can I find those cheap iPhone 5 at least?"

Its the cheaper plastic 3.5 inch screen iPhone low priced model coming this summer numbnuts. Have you ever heard of the internet? It's full of information. You should try using it sometime.


RE: Tony's pwned
By Cheesew1z69 on 4/23/2013 9:53:55 PM , Rating: 2
"It looks like it features an all uniform plastic polycarbonate shell -- very different to the iPhone 5's sleek aluminum look, but still modern and covetable," Tactus said in a blog post. "It’s also interesting to see that the plastic shell measures in at 0.4-0.6mm thick, however the actual phone might be around 9mm thick, 120mm in height and around 62-65mm in width, which means it’s likely both taller and wider than the iPhone 4/4s!

Ah, the irony :)


RE: Tony's pwned
By paydirt on 4/24/2013 9:43:18 AM , Rating: 2
is it possible that this shell is a snap-on for consumers to choose colors, or is this an integral shell? (I do not have your Internets skillz)


RE: Tony's pwned
By Cheesew1z69 on 4/24/2013 9:45:54 AM , Rating: 2
Or perhaps, a way to change the battery now?


RE: Tony's pwned
By Pirks on 4/24/2013 2:02:46 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Have you ever heard of the internet? It's full of information.
Ah, that "internet" of yours full of "information" like "RIM will be sold before 2013 blah blah blah bark bark bark", sounds very familiar LOL :)))))


RE: Tony's pwned
By retrospooty on 4/24/2013 2:26:57 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know why I even bother with you. But here it goes... It's not about rumors its about the supply chain. In order to build 10 million smartphones you need to order 10 million LCD's 10 million front covers 10 million back covers 10 million batteries 10 million CPU's 10 million radios etc. etc. For all of those parts you have lead times anywhere from one to five or six months, maybe more. The vendors that you order those parts from also have their own vendors that they need to order parts from so to make 10 million LCD's the LCD vendor needs 10,000,000 glass substrates 10 million connectors 10 million flex cables 10 million of every little IC. All of those parts have manufacturing and they need to ramp up production so they need to hire people to do the work as well as buy the parts. Is it doesn't get leaked because someone in the know leaked it, it gets leaked because 10,000+ people in the supply chain know it. This is why we all knew the iPhone 5 we have a four inch screen 6 months ahead of his release - because of the supply chain, it can't lie and it can't hide. Everyone involved signs NDA's so no one can come out officially, but the info is there. What is going on right now at Apple and its vendors is a supply chain in motion to build a cheaper iPhone made of plastic in multiple colors . And that's a good thing for a product line with almost zero variety. They're adding some variety. Good move, nothing else to it


RE: Tony's pwned
By theapparition on 4/24/2013 9:25:15 AM , Rating: 2
First off, why bother responding to Pirks.

And here we go again. Low powered, low priced smaller screen phone. Apple fans will crow about variety as the smartest move. What a great idea. Apple is genius.

While variety has been the staple of Android handsets forever, and yet it gets lambasted for fragmentation.


RE: Tony's pwned
By paydirt on 4/24/2013 9:45:51 AM , Rating: 2
Crucial points.

Apple also said they made a key price concession (they did not use those words) of the iPhone 4 in China in order to get them into more people's hands. They also hinted that since brand loyalty is 95% with Apple (95% repurchase rate) that this is a key long-term strategy.


RE: Tony's pwned
By Tony Swash on 4/24/13, Rating: -1
RE: Tony's pwned
By themaster08 on 4/24/2013 7:06:20 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
it's broad product and service lines.
This made me laugh.

Mac
iPad
iPod
Apple TV
iCloud
iTunes/App Store

Hardly broad if you ask me.


RE: Tony's pwned
By themaster08 on 4/24/2013 7:06:53 AM , Rating: 2
I Don't know how I managed to delete iPhone from that list.


RE: Tony's pwned
By retrospooty on 4/24/2013 8:30:05 AM , Rating: 1
"You see stagnation I see a company whose growth and profits have gone from almost unprecedentedly spectacular to just plain very good"

That is because you are looking at money and I am looking at products. Not to obnoxious and point out the obvious but product comes first, product drove that profit, but its a wave, not an endless spicket. Apple had something big in 2007 - 2011, and that was a HUGE advantage over the competition. They were are the best platform our there by a longshot. They got big for that reason, but that wave of profits lags behind the tech lead time and public view. 1st you have a great product, then you build marketshare and then you get profit. If you stop, you still have momentum and marketshare, but that dwindles. The simple fact is now that Apple no longer has the superior platform and if (note I said if) they dont come out with some better products, the profit lead will dwindle as well. Simply regurgitation wont cut it any longer now that the competition has caught up. If you are looking at feature parity, the competition has far surpasses Apple.


RE: Tony's pwned
By paydirt on 4/24/2013 9:48:48 AM , Rating: 2
Who has the superior platform for the mainstream consumer?


RE: Tony's pwned
By retrospooty on 4/24/2013 11:34:06 AM , Rating: 2
I would say the one that sells 5x the amount has the "mainstream" in step pretty well. More devices, more options, more price points more sizes, qwerty, small ones, big ones and every step in between.


RE: Tony's pwned
By Scott66 on 4/26/2013 5:31:15 PM , Rating: 2
Until the makers of all these options go out of business because they are broke Only one Android smart phone maker is making money.


RE: Tony's pwned
By paydirt on 4/24/13, Rating: 0
RE: Tony's pwned
By retrospooty on 4/24/2013 11:43:55 AM , Rating: 2
"Apple created three new product categories, so they have scoreboard on everyone else. I would NEVER call Apple "incrementalists". To do so is intellectually dishonest."

You would probably get some argument that Apple "created" those categories. People were buying smartphones from Palm and RIM years before the iPhone existed, and there were tablets too... But I agree they created/jumpstarted it into what it is today. Certainly they changed those markets big-time... And they reaped the profits for that effort, big-time.

Anyhow regardless of how you define the subject mentioned above, what people are saying is that in those markets, after the intial product bump, Apple went into coast mode and incrementally updated. For example the iPhone. In 2007 it was a major improvement. It was so far ahead that it stayed ahead through 2011... In 2012 the competition caught up and in 2013 there are far FAR FAR better phones out than the iPhone5 and Apple seems to be getting passed by on the technical/feature set front in a major way and just coasting on past innovations. Agree or not, that is the argument anyhow.


RE: Tony's pwned
By Cheesew1z69 on 4/24/2013 11:44:43 AM , Rating: 1
Yea, they most certainly did not "create" those markets... LOL


RE: Tony's pwned
By Shadowself on 4/23/2013 7:54:21 PM , Rating: 3
No one is saying that?

How about Jason. He recently posted a story in which he repeatedly referenced, and supported, an analyst who claimed that not only would Apple not meet the Street's expectations, Apple would not even meet its own projections!

To Tiffany:
quote:
Apple managed to meet analyst expectations regarding its second quarter earnings report, and even plans to dole out additional cash to investors.
Hmmm... it's been a while since I took a class in math theory, but if I remember correctly 43.6 > 42.5 (43.6 != 42.5) and 10.09 > 10.07 (10.09 != 10.07).

While Apple did not beat the Street's expectations by much, it certainly beat them. Additionally, Apple clearly beat its own projections of three months ago.

But it's typical Jason and Tiffany to skew the terminology on this topic.

Has Apple peaked? Maybe. It will depend more upon what new products are introduced over the next nine months than whatever dividends and stock buyback Apple does. No company can pump the stock with buybacks and dividends forever. Eventually even a company with a cash horde like Apple runs out of cash to do this.

Bottom line: Apple needs new products or, at the very least, significant, dramatic updates to its current products.


RE: Tony's pwned
By retrospooty on 4/23/2013 9:53:46 PM , Rating: 2
"No one is saying that?"

I was replying to Tony. No-one is saying Apple is "doomed". Slightly lower profits and volume vs record breaking profit and volume is not "doomed" and no-one was ever claiming Apple was. Tony just likes to add teenage girl style drama to everything for his agenda's effect.

"Bottom line: Apple needs new products or, at the very least, significant, dramatic updates to its current products."

That is exactly what I was saying.


RE: Tony's pwned
By theapparition on 4/24/2013 9:33:17 AM , Rating: 2
It's quite obvious you don't do much investing.

quote:
Hmmm... it's been a while since I took a class in math theory, but if I remember correctly 43.6 > 42.5 (43.6 != 42.5) and 10.09 > 10.07 (10.09 != 10.07).

Beating analyst expectations by 2.5% and .2% respectively equates to noise. That's why every article on the web indicates that they met expectations, not beat them.

quote:
Bottom line: Apple needs new products or, at the very least, significant, dramatic updates to its current products.

This I agree with completely.


RE: Tony's pwned
By paydirt on 4/24/2013 9:50:42 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, CNBC might say they beat expectations, but they are just trying to stir up drama and get interest amongst short-term traders.


RE: Tony's pwned
By daveinternets on 4/24/13, Rating: 0
RE: Tony's pwned
By TakinYourPoints on 4/23/13, Rating: 0
RE: Tony's pwned
By retrospooty on 4/23/2013 7:36:55 PM , Rating: 2
Yup... I cant wait for the day when flash and java are both a thing of the past. Wretched aweful software full of holes. I was just making a jib at Tony with the comment above.


RE: Tony's pwned
By TakinYourPoints on 4/23/2013 8:01:21 PM , Rating: 2
Oh man, you said the J-word! Its like Oracle took on a bet to make a plug-in worse than Flash. ;)


RE: Tony's pwned
By retrospooty on 4/23/2013 9:56:12 PM , Rating: 2
I know... FFS, Java 7.9 was released in Januarty and we are already on 7.21 now. 12 freegin point releases all about security holes and still a total vacuum. So tired of it.


RE: Tony's pwned
By paydirt on 4/24/2013 9:53:00 AM , Rating: 2
They only plugged 1 security hole, the rest of the updates were to hope that people wouldn't uncheck the box to install Ask.com toolbar. *groan*


RE: Tony's pwned
By andrewaggb on 4/24/2013 11:15:49 AM , Rating: 2
LOL, that's so true.

I was just complaining about all the java updates and horrible security a few minutes before reading your comment.


RE: Tony's pwned
By TakinYourPoints on 4/25/2013 12:49:24 AM , Rating: 1
On the topic of Flash, nothing hangs my browser or jacks up CPU usage as reliably as that thing does. Four browsers, three operating systems, it doesn't matter. So stupid


RE: Tony's pwned
By Flunk on 4/24/2013 8:11:18 AM , Rating: 1
Almost all current mobile platforms don't support flash. Adobe has given up on it and isn't making new plugins. The only current OS that I can think of that supports flash is BlackBerry.

iOS
Android 4.0 and higher (might actually be 4.1)
Windows Phone

None support flash. But that's a good thing, flash is slow and has a lot of overhead.


RE: Tony's pwned
By theapparition on 4/24/2013 9:37:33 AM , Rating: 3
It's 4.1 where Flash support stopped.

However, you can still install Flash and use it on 4.1. When it comes down to it, as much as everyone else thinks Flash is dead, until content providers and web sites stop using it, it's still quite alive.

Without the ability to use Flash, there are several times I would have been stuck. Thankfully, that wasn't the case.


RE: Tony's pwned
By retrospooty on 4/24/2013 11:28:10 AM , Rating: 2
Yup... As much as flash sucks, there are a ton of sites that still use it and if your device doesn't support it, you cant see it. At least with some platforms you have a choice to use it or not.


RE: Tony's pwned
By half_duplex on 4/24/2013 11:45:09 AM , Rating: 2
Flash?

Are you referring to what a camera needs to take photos, or the deprecated, nearly obsolete vector animation technology used in the late 1990's that is to be entirely replaced by HTML5 canvas and webGL?


RE: Tony's pwned
By TakinYourPoints on 4/23/2013 6:37:40 PM , Rating: 2
Every handset manufacturer is experiencing similar reductions in profit margins. The most depressed tech stocks right now are handset companies. Apple, HTC, Samsung, Nokia, RIMM, all are trading well below the average price multiple of other techs.

Part of it is legitimate fear (which of these companies will still be big in five years?), part of it is fear created by analysts, and part of it is price manipulation by big money that sold at the top and are squeezing out weak hands so they can buy shares back for cheap.

And these companies are cheap right now. Big money has been accumulating like crazy the last couple weeks while the media cries gloom and doom.


No new iPad
By name99 on 4/23/2013 6:37:20 PM , Rating: 2
Profit is down this quarter compared to a year ago for the OBVIOUS reason that iPad3 was launched in Q2 last year, and had no equivalent this year.
The sales bump that launch generated has presumably been shifted to October (or whenever the iPad5 is scheduled to arrive).

There's a more general point here, namely that if you insist on running around claiming that rumors reflect reality (pace Jason Mick's insistence that Apple was doomed on April 17th) you simply make yourself look like a fool...




RE: No new iPad
By Solandri on 4/23/2013 11:25:14 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Profit is down this quarter compared to a year ago for the OBVIOUS reason that iPad3 was launched in Q2 last year, and had no equivalent this year.

Afraid not. Scroll down to the bottom to see unit sales comparisons to 2012:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-reports-second...

Item..... 2Q2012 - 2Q2013
iPhone. 35.1m - 37.4m
iPad..... 11.8m - 19.5m
Mac...... 5.07m - 3.95m
iPod..... 7.67m - 5.63m

iPad sales were actually was their biggest percentage increase compared to 2Q2012, both in revenue and unit sales. So the reason you cite is absolutely not the cause.

CNN's article on this has a pretty revealing graphic at the top.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/23/technology/mobile/...

Basically, Apple's 2Q iPhone sales doubled year-over-year for the previous 4 years. 2013 is the first year it hasn't. It's almost flat compared to 2012. The graphic has a quintessential S-curve, indicating their phone sales are plateauing. Mac and iPod sales are down (though Mac revenue is slightly up). The iPad is really their only product showing strong sales growth YoY right now.

It's like I said last year, 2012 was when Apple was at the top of its game. They needed to diversify then to "lock in" that position. Or they needed to start a new batch of innovative products in the pipeline. Increasing the dividend they give to stockholders isn't going to placate them. Without some fresh products, Apple will exit the class of growth companies and their wild stock valuations. They'll continue to have strong sales and profit and slow growth like IBM, Microsoft, GE, etc. But the heydays of doubling sales every year are most likely over.


Not surprising...
By kmmatney on 4/23/2013 7:21:25 PM , Rating: 2
They just didn't have any compelling products out this quarter, compared to last year. I generally like my iPhone 4S, but wont be upgrading to a 5S/6 unless they increase the screen size. I'm actually quite curious to see if they will increase the screen size, or go on pretending that people don't need bigger screens.




RE: Not surprising...
By theapparition on 4/24/2013 9:42:10 AM , Rating: 2
Uh, they increased the screen size from the 4S to the 5. 3.5" to 4.0" (with different aspect ratio)

The iPhone 5S won't change screen size any bigger than currently offered on the 5.


Apple Paralyzed By It's Own Success
By Arsynic on 4/24/2013 1:13:25 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is facing the same dilemma that RIM faced: Innovate and risk alienating the hipsters and senior citizens that make up your entire userbase or appease the userbase and risk losing out to the next best thing?




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Delusional
By t_sandman on 4/24/13, Rating: 0
Odd coincidence
By Tony Swash on 4/23/13, Rating: -1
RE: Odd coincidence
By retrospooty on 4/23/2013 6:51:14 PM , Rating: 4
See Tony spin... Spin Tony Spin.


RE: Odd coincidence
By TakinYourPoints on 4/23/2013 7:09:26 PM , Rating: 2
That's mainly the product of Android mostly being sold on low end devices.

If the types of devices Samsung sold were inverted, with products like the GS3 and GN2 making up about 75% of their sales rather than only 25%, then you'd see them with profits closer to Apple's. As it stands their profits are sandbagged by cheap low end phones.

Pressure from low end devices are actually affecting Apple in a similar way. The iPhone 4S is still selling very well, but with that comes lower profit for Apple. It actually puts pressure on their gross revenue as well. Combine that with the iPhone 5 also being more expensive to produce and its clear why Apple is making less profit on increased revenue. The gravy train from when the 4S was new (cheap to produce and they sold a ton of them) might be over, unless they can make the iPhone 5 and 5S as cheap to make later this year.


RE: Odd coincidence
By messele on 4/24/2013 3:06:10 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah but don't let a well reasoned analysis of the facts get in the way of a bashing from DailyTurd zealots.

Reduced profit never automatically meant lower sales. Sales volume is up, they are selling more. Profit is down, it means either cheaper less profitable items are selling more or else operating and manufacturing costs are up. It's that simple.

All aboard the Sunshine Bus!


RE: Odd coincidence
By theapparition on 4/24/2013 9:46:07 AM , Rating: 2
What amazes me is how people justify their products by how much money a company makes.

Unless you're an investor, Apple's profit or lack thereof makes little difference to you in day to day usability of one of their products.

I guess you want to drive Toyota, because they sell the most cars in the world, not because they actually have any cars that you like to drive.


RE: Odd coincidence
By TakinYourPoints on 4/25/2013 12:47:15 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I guess you want to drive Toyota, because they sell the most cars in the world, not because they actually have any cars that you like to drive.


This applies to Android users perfectly, lots and lots of cheap devices that sell in massive quantities. Low end isn't really my thing. It isn't with my PC and it isn't with my phones either. My GTX 680 is a niche part, but I wouldn't revel in having slower GPUs, you know?

I don't understand Android cheerleading about marketshare when the majority of it is based on low end devices, not phones like the HTC One or DNA.


RE: Odd coincidence
By retrospooty on 4/25/2013 2:48:31 PM , Rating: 1
"I don't understand Android cheerleading about marketshare when the majority of it is based on low end devices, not phones like the HTC One or DNA."

That is because you are an Apple cheerleader if ever there was one.

"This applies to Android users perfectly, lots and lots of cheap devices that sell in massive quantities"

Those "Android users" that buy cheap phones aren't really any OS's "users" the vast majority of people don't know or care about the OS, they just use the phone, click their email and browse the web from time to time, GPS and whatever else they have + a few games and dont care to pay a premium price to do it. THAT is part of the greatness of Android. It's flexible. It covers and support everything from low end cheap phones that dont have alot or do alot, to high end phones that have amazing screens and feature sets that make IOS look like a beginner smartphone. Big ones, small ones, qwerty ones, high res, low res, medium res, medium low, medium high, everything at every level. What's not to get? It's freegin easy to make one phone with one res option that suits one type of buyer.


RE: Odd coincidence
By TakinYourPoints on 4/29/2013 8:32:48 PM , Rating: 2
That's cool, and its great that that Android caters to low end users.

That said, I don't like my platform being defined by the lowest common denominator. This continues to make Android a second rate platform. However, if you like trading developer support with gimmicks like air gestures in your flagship phones, because why have the precision of touching your screen when you can wave your hand in the air instead, then be my guest.

Who knows, maybe they still can't get touch responsiveness up to snuff so waving in the air is the best they can do, kind of like how OEMs are incapable or making a good trackpad so now Microsoft is pushing touchscreens on laptops.

Who knows.


RE: Odd coincidence
By retrospooty on 4/29/2013 8:43:13 PM , Rating: 2
"I don't like my platform being defined by the lowest common denominator. "

Apparently you missed the part about the high end Androids being far higher than your aging iPhone.

"if you like trading developer support with gimmicks like air gestures in your flagship phones,"

Apparently you missed the 20+ other features that Android supports that your aging platform doesn't.

"Who knows, maybe they still can't get touch responsiveness up to snuff "

You are really reaching now on that.

I get that you care about apps more than anything, but you simply cant deny that your iPhone is BADLY in need of updating, upgrading and adding a few dozen features that the other more modern phones support. Wait... I forget who I am talking to... The "clandestine biased amigo" :P


RE: Odd coincidence
By TakinYourPoints on 5/1/2013 2:33:10 AM , Rating: 3
Which high end Androids are better? One device that just came out benchmarks faster in practical tests, as to be expected, and it is still hamstrung by fragmentation and developers still treating it as a second-class platform.

quote:
Apparently you missed the 20+ other features that Android supports that your aging platform doesn't.


Ah yes, gmmicks like swipe-to-scroll, because that's so much better than actually touching the screen. I've seen you name-check panorama as well, a feature that was in iOS apps since 2009.

quote:
but you simply cant deny that your iPhone is BADLY in need of updating


Almost everything you bring up happens to be UI related, something that pales in comparison to developer support once the UI is good enough.

Are flashy bits really worth jumping up and down over? I prefer practical utility and logical design.

Do you complain about Windows 7 being essentially the same as Windows 98? I don't, I may have some issues with the UI but it works well enough and I know that developers are still putting lots of effort on it.

Honestly, the Android UI isn't even that amazing to begin with, not enough to make as much noise as you do. Most of it is either stuff that was already in iOS, was catch-up, or are gimmick-fests like much of TouchWiz.

You don't seem to understand that trading widgets for better applications, polish, and stability is an excellent trade for many of us. If you like those things, great, and if you like giant size phones, good for you, but you have to understand that Android features (again, most of which are either gimmicks or catch-up) are actually a downgrade in many ways for those of us that lean on better 3rd party apps rather than a limited set of baked in features.

If you were on WP8 then I could kind of see bragging about the UI, but as it stands you're like a Kia owner bragging about his car. Giant WTF. Just enjoy what you have, whatever.


RE: Odd coincidence
By retrospooty on 5/1/2013 8:16:12 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... Ya, that list is all flashy and gimmicks... Okeedokee.


RE: Odd coincidence
By TakinYourPoints on 5/6/2013 2:02:47 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, lots of gimmicks. Seems like superficial features and ideology drives your purchase decisions rather than practical utility, things like third parties adding more capabilities beyond what is baked in.

Its the same reason why I use Windows over some Linux desktop that I've customized with CompWiz UI and all sorts of flashy things to spruce up the desktop. You sound like one of those Linux guys who compromises apps because you have "more control" over your OS and Microsoft is the big baddie.


RE: Odd coincidence
By retrospooty on 5/6/2013 8:33:22 AM , Rating: 1
Most of them are highly useful, if you dont personally use use it, doesn't make it a gimmick. The vast majority of that giant list of features IOS is missing is just that "features IOS is missing".

Comparing Windows to Linux is a huge difference in apps. Comparing Android to IOS is a small difference. I feel like I have said this before, but there isnt anything you can do on Android that you cant on IOS, there is a TON of things you can do on Windows that you cannot on Linux. Totally off comparison.

The fact that you think that is an apt comparison either shows you are clueless or full of shit, neither of which interest me.


RE: Odd coincidence
By TakinYourPoints on 5/7/2013 1:45:06 AM , Rating: 2
You can actually do LOTS of things on Linux that you can do on Windows and OS X. It is actually totally possible to replace everything you do on those with Linux.

Now, the alternatives are mostly second and third rate, but it is there. It is the exact same difference when looking at iOS and Android, even moreso on tablets since almost all developers are just upscaling phone apps rather than optimizing for bigger screens.

It makes sense, devs make money on iOS so it'll either get the best exclusives or the best ports. It the same as XBox 360 games versus their ports for the Wii. Again, this comes down to where developers are making the most money. Fragmentation and SDKs are other reasons why Android has worse software, but that is all secondary to money. Android has enough users where it'll still get the blockbusters like Netflix and Angry Birds, and it eventually gets the basic iOS staples like Instapaper. On the flip side, WP8 and RT have excellent SDKs but really bad app markets. You need customers as well.


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