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Chris Peredun - August 30, 2006 4:28 PM
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QTFairUse6 able to create DRM-free files from iTunes 6.0.4 and 6.0.5

Looks like Microsoft isn't the only one having trouble with broken DRM these days. Engadget reports that a new application "QTFairUse6" has surfaced. While it's not as pretty, user-friendly, or cross-platform compatible as Hymn (a 2004 application) QTFairUse6 does indeed strip the FairPlay content protection from music files purchased from the iTunes Music Store, when they are played back in iTunes 6.0.4 or 6.0.5.

The program is written in Python, and currently runs under Windows only. According to the developers, QTFairUse6 intercepts the AAC frames after they are decrypted but before they are decoded, providing a copy that is no more "lossy" than the original purchased from the iTMS. Note that the FairPlay algorithm itself has not been defeated - the program simply copies the decrypted music from the memory addressed by iTunes, and writes the data to a new file.

The major downfall to this program is the nature of the circumvention means the "ripping speed" is limited to playback speed. However, if you're absolutely insistent on playing your iTMS-purchased music on a portable player other than an iPod, it may be time well spent.

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Break DRM because...?
By sceptus on 8/30/2006 5:38:36 PM , Rating: 2
I never really understand this huge obsession with breaking copyright protection and illegal distribution. Do people do this because...

a) They see something fundamentally wrong with ownership of music and media. They truly believe that all forms of entertainment should be distributed for free, and that the makers of that entertainment earn no pay.

b) They don't care that stealing is breaking the law. They would just as readily take DVDs from their local store if there weren't those detectors that beep if you pass through them.




RE: Break DRM because...?
By Staples on 8/30/2006 5:54:33 PM , Rating: 1
I never understood them either. If you don't want the DRM music, then don't buy it. Quite simple. All the anti DRM crowd is proving is that they have a logic though process that is elementary level at best.

And I love the people complaining about DRM on hd disk formats. The only people who it will effect is those trying to copy it. If you play by the rules, the DRM will never effect you. I don't care, I actually know what I am buying before I buy something and in the case of a DVD, you are NOT buying the rights to copy it.


RE: Break DRM because...?
By CitizenKain on 8/30/2006 5:59:50 PM , Rating: 5
But I am buying the rights to play it where I choose to. If I want to buy a DVD and re-encode it to playing a portable media player, I should have the ability. I should also be able to make copies of any DVD I buy, there is nothing that says that is against the law. Fairuse laws show that I am allowed to do those things, but companies try to prevent in the guise of fighting piracy.


RE: Break DRM because...?
By michal1980 on 8/30/06, Rating: -1
RE: Break DRM because...?
By vanka on 8/30/2006 6:52:21 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Fair use has been clipped, by other Laws. Like for example The DMCA.
So while one law says you can copy, another says you cannot.
Since both exist, You cannot ignore the law that says you cannot copy.

The DMCA does not explictly say that you cannot copy something, it states that you cannot disable or circumvent copy-protection measures. So depending on your definition of circumvent (I hear most judges take this to mean circumventing with software) you can copy a DVD or other digital media if you can find a legal way around the DRM. I recently saw a review on an external recorder that you allows you to copy a DVD by connecting your DVD player to your PC. Basically it catches the copy-protection free video stream that is usually sent from the DVD player to the TV and encodes and copies it to your computer.


quote:
you buy a dvd, you bought the right to play it in a dvd player.

True, but DVD is a platform. I for one consider digital music to be all one platform. Why am I forced to use one brand, Apple, if I buy a song from iTunes? If I buy a song from iTunes I want to play it on a portable player of my choice, burn it to a compilation CD of 100+ songs to play in my car mp3 player, burn a CD with it to play in the living room stero, stream it to the MCE extender in the family room, and play the song on any of the other 6 computer scattered throughout the house. Why should I have to buy several versions of one song just to be able to use it in the above perfectly legal manner? All this while I can buy one DVD and play it in on the DVD player in the family, the DVD player in the car, the portable DVD player, on my laptop and desktop, and on my console. Note that this one DVD will work on various different plays that are not all the same brand such as Sony, Toshiba, etc; while iTunes forces you use only Apple products.


RE: Break DRM because...?
By michael2k on 8/30/2006 7:03:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I for one consider digital music to be all one platform. Why am I forced to use one brand, Apple, if I buy a song from iTunes?


Actually, you aren't.

quote:
If I buy a song from iTunes I want to play it on a portable player of my choice, burn it to a compilation CD of 100+ songs to play in my car mp3 player, burn a CD with it to play in the living room stero, stream it to the MCE extender in the family room, and play the song on any of the other 6 computer scattered throughout the house.


Out of the box iTunes and the iTMS already gives you the capability to mostly do all of the above:
1) Play on a portable player of your choice: Burn to CD, rip back to MP3
2) Burn a compilation CD of 100+ songs: Burn to CD, rip back to MP3, burn back to CD
3) Burn to CD to play in the living room stereo: Burn to CD
4) Stream to MCE extender: Burn to CD, rip back to MP3, play through MCE extender
5) Play the song to six other computers: You can currently play the song on 5 computers (and any number of iPods). If you want the songs on the last two computers, you will have to burn to CD and rip to MP3

Note you have already decided, by buying AAC and using MP3, that lossy encoding is okay. Now the issue is how much loss is too much?

quote:
Why should I have to buy several versions of one song just to be able to use it in the above perfectly legal manner?


You don't. That is exactly why Apple's iTMS is so successful. Out of the box they included all these terms so people could use their music flexibly, quite unlike the competition at the time.


RE: Break DRM because...?
By vanka on 8/30/2006 8:49:25 PM , Rating: 3
Point taken. Buring AAC to CD and then back to mp3 gets rid of of the copy protection. This "solution" has a few problems though: a) Do I really want to do this for several hundred songs (yes, I know I can do this in batches but this is still not a valid solution). b) What happens when Apple changes its DRM policy? Remeber that Apple has complete control of the music that you buy from them and can change the contract and DRM restrictions at will; what will I do when Apple decides I shouldn't have the "privilege" of making music CDs with the music I bought or they decide to incorporate DRM into the music even when I burn it to CDs?

Also, you seem to miss my main points that: not all who dislike current DRM schemes are pirates and that current DRM policies are too restrictive and handicap consumers. While I critiqued Apple specifically, I was also critiquing current DRM policies in general. Granted some DRM is more flexible than others, but there are some that are even more restrictive and your "solution" won't work with them.


RE: Break DRM because...?
By sceptus on 8/30/2006 6:10:22 PM , Rating: 2
Okay, I agree that DRM can be annoying and inconvenient. But say, they found a technology such that you could play DRM-protected media only on media players that you owned. Thus, you can make as many copies as you like, but distribution is prohibited. Is that acceptable? I would sure think so.

But I think that most people are merely complaining because media protection, of any sort, is prohibiting them from illegally distributing media.


RE: Break DRM because...?
By Fenixgoon on 8/30/2006 8:51:33 PM , Rating: 2
how do you classify a specific piece of hardware as "yours"? say you have an ipod or zen: the hardware is labeled as yours, but what happens if you get a new player? will the DRM allow you to put your music on your new player? it's these types of hassles that make DRM such a PITA. it completely and utterly disrupts the legal and fair transfer of music/video from one device/medium to another.

i hate DRM and i haven't found many songs/movies worth buying.


RE: Break DRM because...?
By michal1980 on 8/30/06, Rating: -1
RE: Break DRM because...?
By Scrogneugneu on 8/30/2006 11:13:52 PM , Rating: 3
See, being free and being without DRM is 2 completely different things.

The DRM restrain your possibilities with what you paid for, because you could use them to accomplish illegal activities. You could also use them for perfectly legal activities.

Take an example : firearms. They are allowed (in USA, under some restrictions in Canada). However, with a gun, the most evident thing to do is to kill someone (which is illegal, by the way). I'm still able to get a gun. If I do something wrong with it, I'll be punished.

Why isn't it the same with music? I'm punished even thought I haven't done anything wrong yet. It's like having a gun with blank ammo only. Quite useless, but as soon as you request real ammo, people get suspicious as with what you want to do with that ammo.


RE: Break DRM because...?
By TacticalTrading on 8/30/2006 6:16:42 PM , Rating: 2
a) They see something fundamentally wrong with ownership of music and media. They truly believe that all forms of entertainment should be distributed for free, and that the makers of that entertainment earn no pay.

b) They don't care that stealing is breaking the law. They would just as readily take DVDs from their local store if there weren't those detectors that beep if you pass through them

None of the above. it is real simple, people don't like paying for things with strings attached, and DRM is like a heavy duty spiderweb.
It is not that people want to "break the law" I think people just want what they think they should reasonably be allowed to do. The rub is that "the people" think they should be allowed to do one thing while the "record lables" think they should not be allowed to do those things.

Alternate answer) Why do people climb mountains...same answer


RE: Break DRM because...?
By sceptus on 8/30/2006 6:19:38 PM , Rating: 2
But what about the more general issue; that is, copyright in general? Why do people illegal distribute media? Addressing that question, then the answer must be either a) or b).


RE: Break DRM because...?
By JeffDM on 8/31/2006 12:23:09 AM , Rating: 2
That's definitely a false dichotomy. I agree that the strings attached are an nuisance for legitimate users. Apple's "FairPlay" does offer the freest rights in the DRM world except to play on a competitors device without alteration, because they won't licence it out, which is my biggest issue with it.


RE: Break DRM because...?
By vanka on 8/30/2006 6:21:36 PM , Rating: 2
You are missing the point about DRM-free music; it is not about piracy for most people but about the freedom to play it where or however they want. Songs downloaded with iTunes can only be played by iTunes or the iPod; so good luck playing them through Winamp or steaming the files to an MCE extender or playing them on a Zen. This is the same as being able to play Sony music CDs only on Sony players, not very consumer-friendly.

I'm not against DRM in general, but at this point the DRM schemes being used take too many rights away from the consumers. iTunes' DRM is too restrictive for my use (a song can be played by only 5 "users"); but I have about 7 computers in my household with most of my music stored and shared on my main MCE desktop. With iTunes' DRM two of my computers can't play the music. So by removing the DRM I am making sure that I can use the music that I paid for. (By the way, I am well aware of iTunes' 24 hour rule but this doesn't help when several people are listening to music and I start computer hopping.)

Also, your assertion that by purchasing a DVD you do not buy the rights to copy it are flat wrong. By buy a license for a work of "art" (not all music or movies deserve this lable), the right to make backup copies is inherient. That is your right as a consumer or licensee; the fact that your rights are voided unfairly by the DMCA is a whole other matter. So copying a DVD in a manner that does not crack or disable the copy-protection would be perfectly legal.


RE: Break DRM because...?
By JeffDM on 8/30/2006 7:26:08 PM , Rating: 2
I consider it a problem of vendor lock-in than anything else.

The CD format was probably the most open and accepted multi-company audio format. Anyone can make a player and anyone can make the media. No one had to deal with having to buy a Philips brand CD player to play the music from that label, same for buying a Sony brand CD player to play the music from that label. It was probably never a concern so no one thinks of it when moving to a new format.

Now, the music you buy from Apple requires you to either degrade it to play it on another audio file player, or to use an iPod. So if I decide that I want someone else's file player, I have to burn & rip everything bought over iTunes, which can be a huge inconvenience. Sounds like a nasty vendor lock-in to me. I have an iPod and I do like it, but the brand lock-in is why I don't buy from iTunes.


RE: Break DRM because...?
By HakonPCA on 8/30/2006 7:50:41 PM , Rating: 2
The great part is that when PC games were on 5.25 or 3.5 floppy drives the instructions told you to "Make a copy first, before playing" and then use that copy to play the game "in case something happened" to the copy, you'd still have the original. They've gone from telling us to copy it to trying to not let us do so. Although CD-keys are getting harder for people to crack and still allow for play online.

Unfortunately many people do want to remove DRM to steal or distribute media of all kinds. But I have a 2 year old daughter who destroys DVD, CD, and in 14 years cars:) any my only hope is to copy the DVD's to protect the original through copies. The good thing is that I can do this and because I don't then distribute the media online or through other means I should never have a problem.


RE: Break DRM because...?
By vanka on 8/30/2006 8:20:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Unfortunately many people do want to remove DRM to steal or distribute media of all kinds.

True, but DRM won't really stop people like this. DRM, at its present stage of developement, makes life a bit harder for pirates, while punishing innocent users at the same time.


RE: Break DRM because...?
By isaacmacdonald on 8/31/2006 1:20:46 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
it is not about piracy for most people but about the freedom to play it where or however they want


Exactly. Philosophy aside, the big problem with DRM is that its too cumbersome. You start hitting brick walls while engaging in normal use, and you look for something to solve the problem (ie: strip DRM). I suspect that as the technologies mature and become better integrated, this will be much less of a mainstream issue.


But
By Hare on 8/30/2006 5:01:19 PM , Rating: 2
This is just one way to take out the DRM. They can never prevent you from just recording the song again. SPDIF-out -> SPDIF-in and that's all it takes to remove even the biggest and ugliest drm-solutions.

The method in the news just takes away the need to connect your soundcards in and out. Nothing has been actually hacked.




RE: But
By kattanna on 8/30/2006 5:09:17 PM , Rating: 2
LOL soon we will have to buy all new sound cards and speakers that have some lame DRM encoding like the new movie one for blue-ray/HD-dvd

i can see it now

and hardware makers will not stand in the way since it means more sales





RE: But
By Scabies on 8/30/2006 5:10:51 PM , Rating: 2
Hardware DRM handshake...
Damn, and I just got a Audigy 4 Pro.


RE: But
By hughlle on 8/30/2006 6:46:47 PM , Rating: 1
if you dont have an ipod and are wanting to use it on a "3rd party" player, why are you using itunes in the first place?


RE: But
By Hare on 8/31/06, Rating: 0
RE: But
By MrSmurf on 8/30/2006 5:10:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is just one way to take out the DRM. They can never prevent you from just recording the song again. SPDIF-out -> SPDIF-in and that's all it takes to remove even the biggest and ugliest drm-solutions.


True and we all know this but you'd have to have a pretty lonely, pathetic life to be able to do this for every song you buy. Besides, if any other sounds plays like a 'ding', that 'ding' is now part of your song which brings me to your other point...

quote:
The method in the news just takes away the need to connect your soundcards in and out.
This app eliminates the chances of getting a 'ding', correct?



RE: But
By JazzMang on 8/30/2006 5:37:43 PM , Rating: 4
Just turn off the retarded windows sounds. I can't believe people actually like hearing that crap.


RE: But
By bobdelt on 8/30/2006 8:34:22 PM , Rating: 2
Most people listen to their music. I'm sorry you buy such horrible music that you would "suffer" to listen to it all.


RE: But
By Hare on 8/31/2006 3:41:02 AM , Rating: 2
Another method. Just burn a friggin audio cd to a cdrw and rip the songs back. No dings even if you have those retarded windows sounds on...


RE: But
By dluther on 8/31/2006 8:18:17 AM , Rating: 2
Still, you're limited in that capture speed is limited by playback speed, and you're capturing already "lossy" audio, which then needs to be re-encoded with a similarly lossy codec, thus introducing even more artifacts into the stream.


No DRM for techno
By tronsr71 on 8/30/2006 5:12:06 PM , Rating: 4
I've been downloading drm free music from beatport.com for a while now. Albeit, they are a techno only music store, it is nice to listen to music I enjoy, hassel free. One thing I like about the site is that you can actually download the fully uncompressed .wav files! Now before I get flamed... i know, i know techno is not everyone's favorite. But if you do like it, check out the site.




By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 8/30/2006 5:33:25 PM , Rating: 4
I'm a huge fan of beatport. Not to shamelessly plug, but if you're into that kind of music also check out protonradio.com and hybridized.org.


RE: No DRM for techno
By umerok on 8/31/2006 12:32:25 PM , Rating: 2
Beatport is a great site, simply for the fact that you own your music. My friend is a house dj, and he buys stuff on beatport for his mixes all the time. Get the mp3 to burn and take with you to a gig, then get the wav for mixing on your computer. The way a music store should be run.


Overpriced Songs, Bad Audio Quality
By mryoder on 8/31/2006 5:02:10 PM , Rating: 3
Why would anyone pay a premium price for poor quality audio? You're really better off buying used CD's off ebay and ripping the tracks yourself. Why are people so stupid and lazy these days? Am I the only one that thinks the audio quality form iTunes, etc. is garbage?




By Superfiend84 on 9/3/2006 1:06:32 PM , Rating: 2
Yes itunes stuff can be low quality at times. Newer songs have great quality, while older songs leave more to be desired. I agree that at times, I am dissapointed at the audio quality of certain tracks.

Also, itunes's DRM isn't THAT bad. I use an iPod, there for, i'm fine with being able to actually pay for stuff that I take with me. The drm does not affect ipods...though I am a little ticked off that every time I reformat my hard drive, it counts as another computer in my 5- computer count. This is it's only real flaw to me. The point of the DRM is to make it so that you can not easily pirate stuff for the masses. But they don't make it impossible to use. It's not like it has a usage meter and after so many plays it locks up. You ARE buying that song, not renting it.

And for the people who are burning hundreds of cd's to get mp3's...that's just a waste of money. Do a little research before you whine to the world. Itunes can burn an mp3 CD and even a data CD if you so desire. So if you want 100+ songs, burn an mp3 CD, then rip it back. (iTunes also has multiple options for ripping songs as well)


Err....
By Lonyo on 8/30/2006 6:27:09 PM , Rating: 2
"The major downfall to this program is the nature of the circumvention means the "ripping speed" is limited to playback speed. However, if you're absolutely insistent on playing your iTMS-purchased music on a portable player other than an iPod, it may be time well spent."


Umm...no, it's not.
Why spend time making a copy of an iTunes song without fairplay that loses no quality when you have to make a lossy copy of it to change its format so you can play it in another mp3 player?
Might as well do the line-out trick.




RE: Err....
By michael2k on 8/30/2006 7:05:13 PM , Rating: 2
If you're going to do line-out, you might as well burn to CD and rip back to MP3 or WMA.

You can burn at 24x speed and rip at 40x speed. Much faster than using this hack, especially if you have a player that plays only MP3 or WMA.


!
By Scabies on 8/30/2006 5:06:11 PM , Rating: 3
If it was automated, and didnt add in things like clicks in IE, AIM/MSN alerts, then I would say this isn't as retarded as it sounds. Just open QTFairUse6, start playing your music, and go on vacation or something. Patience is a virtue, when it comes to stickin it to the man.




Major downfall?
By PrinceGaz on 8/31/2006 7:08:22 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
The major downfall to this program is the nature of the circumvention means the "ripping speed" is limited to playback speed.


I don't see how that is a mjaor downfall. All it means is that you have to listen to your music once in order to obtain a DRM-free copy of it (you could do it with the sound muted, but you may as well enjoy the music while copying it).

Listening to it is the main reason most people buy music, so why is it a major downfall that you have to listen to it in order to make a copy? :)




RE: Major downfall?
By Enoch2001 on 9/16/2006 8:41:31 PM , Rating: 2
Actually version 2.4 does it without having to wait for it to playback in realtime. Besides, there are people out there that have pretty sizeable libraries from iTMS. I only have 512+ tracks, and at an average length of 4 minutes a track - I'd rather spend that DAY AND A HALF doing something a little more constructive. ;-)


Realistically, who does DRM hurt more?
By 999 on 8/30/2006 7:37:58 PM , Rating: 2
Do you think that DRM really bothers those that illegally share content? No. Why? Because for every form of protection you put out there, there's at least a few people with both the knowledge and will to circumvent and/or remove it so that it can be shared out. Most companies have even stated that they realize it's not going to stop it, just make it harder to pirate. So, maybe you'll have to wait that extra two days for the new, highly advanced DRM to be cracked.

I know people who just a year ago, would never download anything. Thought it was totally immoral and were completely against it. Now many of them download, mainly because of this crap. One of them still always pays for the content (game, movie, music) after they've downloaded and tried it out. But only if a)it's worth the money and b)doesn't have a bunch of strings attached to it.

It's one thing to make sure artists, programmers, etc. get paid for their hard work and the licenses to use/listen/view it, but fair use shouldn't be trampled over along the way. And it is, at least for those who aren't "technologically capable" or those that just download it illegally.

Not to mention, as these protection schemes get more complex, the more things can possibly go wrong. Take for example the lovely " Star -metaphorically bend me over and ram a telephone pole up my rear- Force ". Lots of people have no issues with it, but many have, and many of them don't know what their doing on a computer other then playing a game, Word, and surfing the internet. Let's just say that they were lucky and it didn't do any real "damage" to the OS install (really lucky). They have still just lost the ability to use the content they happily payed for.




Here's my take...
By haxxorboi on 8/30/2006 10:12:08 PM , Rating: 2
It believe it was best stated by Patrick Norton; You bought the DVD and CD, but you didn't actually buy the data. What you bought was the RIGHT to view the data and play the media, but you don't actually own the data contained within.

In my PERSONAL opinion, if you want to play music on your Zen or iRiver or whatever, go for it, it is legally entitled to you (no matter how much contradiction there is, you DO have the right to play that media however you see fit, just not it public places though, but that's another barrel of monkies.)

If you went to court (Seriously, name a company that would do this) because you took the music that you LEGALLY purchased on iTunes and removed the DRM to use on a different player, but you didn't distribute it in any way, THERE IS NO CASE. I asked this exact question to our circuit judge when I met him in Personal Law last semester; "If I owned a piece of music and it has DRM protection, effectively stopping me from playing it on my own mp3 player, and converted it to remove DRM so I could play it for my own personal use, not distributing the content in any way, is that within my legal rights?"

The answer I received from that judge and a lawyer who came in later that day, was a complete and resounding, yes.

If I pay for something and I want to play it, by god I'm gonna play the sucker! I agree, buying DRM-protected music is completely stupid when using a non-DRM player, but many people mistakenly do. In my opinion, it's slightly monopolistic to force hardware to play something that you bought and should be universal, but unfortunately the masses don't care...

Anyways, enough of my rant... if you want to do it, do it, if you don't, why are you reading this?




TuneBite
By uksupramk3 on 8/31/2006 7:36:25 AM , Rating: 2
For those that don't know, theres been an easier way to crack the DRM on iTMS songs - TuneBite.

Only works on windows iirc but its always worked perfectly for me and doesnt have to keep being updated either.




privacy
By Lazarus Dark on 8/31/2006 12:05:13 PM , Rating: 2
no one ever mentions this when talking about drm.
I have a right to privacy. I have a right to do whatever I wish in my home as long as it doesn't harm or endanger other living beings ( for the most part. there are some exceptions like drugs ). I have a right not to have the government point cameras at my window or tap my phone without strong reason (if i am believed to have broken the law). and i also have a right not to have big corporations tell me what i can and cannot do in my own home with media i have purchased. DRM assumes that i am a criminal and attempts to remove my God-given free will. I see it as a form of slavery. I as a human being am being strongarmed into doing what some corporation tells me to do. Argue "licensing" all you want, but I bought a song/movie or even game and what I do with it is none of your dam buisiness as long as i don't do it in public (yes my portable player is covered so long as i do not display media publicly or distribute copies with it). Any attempts to enter my home (even via software) and control my actions is an invasion. period.
To Big Corporation: Stay the Hell Out of My Home.

from thefreedictionary.com: (bold added by me)

free will
n.
1. The ability or discretion to choose; free choice: chose to remain behind of my own free will.
2. The power of making free choices that are unconstrained by external circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will.

The truth is I have the free will to break the law with the understanding that there may be consequences. DRM is like handcuffing every person on earth to ensure they don't do something these corporations don't like. And lets be real here this is not us vs. law, this is us vs. corporations. The DMCA and similar overreaching laws were created only through pressure from Big Buisiness and piracy is just a cover. I don't pirate and never would. Anyone who appreciates good movies/music/art wouldn't either. I think its sad that so many people do but I completely resent being treated like a criminal because of those other people.

Art=good
Corporate-controlled, Government-approved Art=bad




Hellooooo..
By Enoch2001 on 9/16/2006 8:37:51 PM , Rating: 2
While you ladies are arguing the merits of DRM, you should know that the latest version of QTFairUse6 (2.4) actually strips the files without having to do it in real-time. WAHOOOO!!!! It took about 20 minutes for my entire (purchased) library! I just rescued my 514+ track collection for use on any friggin' player I want WITHOUT having to waste my time burning to CD's and re-ripping the content again.

By the way, the iTMS format is already crappy as it is; why would anyone want to rip it again into even further compression like mp3? Anywho... my main reason for doing this is so I can play my purchased music on my Slim Devices Squeezebox 3 network music player in my livingroom.

Screw Fair Play; it's about as fair as Tiananmen Square in 1989.




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