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October's usage statistics saw Apple gain marketshare despite the release of Windows 7, according to Net Applications.  (Source: Net Applications)
In latest market research studies, Windows saw its market share slide ever-so-slightly in October, while Apple's gains continue

Did Windows 7's big release slow down Apple's Mac sales?  Not so, says new information from market researchers Net Applications.

Hot off a terrific quarter, there's high expectations on Apple to post terrific growth.  Thus it made many of Apple's investors and fans nervous to see a well-received Windows 7 launch October 22 and potentially knocking down Apple's own new fledgling OS, Snow Leopard.

As it turns out, instead Apple inched a bit higher for the month.  Perhaps swayed by Apple's latest anti-Windows 7 ads, or the deluge of Windows 7 PCs that come with a surplus of junkware, Apple's marketshare rose from 5.12 percent to 5.26 percent, a marketshare gain of 2.73 percent.  While seemingly insignificant, it's slow growth, in the face of adversity, like this that has boosted Apple over the course of recent years to a small but meaningful marketshare.  Apple's gains also were likely helped by the release of redesigned iMacs and MacBooks, released on October 20.

Meanwhile, Windows 7 was not enough to prevent Windows from sustaining its ninth straight month of marketshare losses.  It however lost very little marketshare, sliding a mere 0.23 percent, down to 92.54 percent from 92.77 percent.  According to the report, Windows 7 had gained a 2.85 percent beachhead, which apparently was the result of Windows XP users upgrading, as XP use slid correspondingly.

While Windows enjoys a giant lead over OS X, the lead in the next generation war remains seemingly smaller.  Windows has a 2.85 percent marketshare, while Apple's OS X 10.6 currently has a 1.16 percent market, a comparison that's certain to delight Apple enthusiasts.

While the data from Net Applications is certainly interesting, it does need to be taken with a grain of salt.  Net Applications does not directly estimate hardware sales, rather it determines operating system usage based on data mining at its member sites which services over 160 million customers a month.  Thus its metrics can be slightly off and can also favor devices that are typically used to internet browse more, like the iPhone, which currently boasts an abnormally high 0.35 percent marketshare.

In day by day tracking, Windows 7 just recently cracked 3 percent marketshare, according to Net Applications.

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Windows 7 won't displace XP or Vista in 2 weeks
By Bateluer on 11/4/2009 8:32:19 AM , Rating: 5
Over the next 2 years, I would expect 7's market share to steadily rise while Vista and XP drop off. Hopefully, sharply in the case of XP.

Second, I'd also like to see Linux get more market share. There are many distros offering highly refined and polished experiences.

Third, I'm curious how many people surveyed have multiples. A Vista machine, an XP machine, and a Mac.




RE: Windows 7 won't displace XP or Vista in 2 weeks
By R6Raven on 11/4/2009 8:39:45 AM , Rating: 2
That was my first thought before even reading the article. Exactly how many people did you survey to come up with this data? Most people didn't wake up o nthe 22nd and decide they HAD to go to the store for their copy of Win7. Mos tare waiting on either their XP/Vista machine to die, or for SP1. Let's see this data 6 months down the road...


RE: Windows 7 won't displace XP or Vista in 2 weeks
By superPC on 11/4/2009 9:19:35 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe the slump was from people holding out buying new windows close to win 7 release date.


RE: Windows 7 won't displace XP or Vista in 2 weeks
By RW on 11/4/2009 10:02:58 AM , Rating: 2
So Apple has a marketshare of 5.26 percent, that's the percentage of FARTS one person has on a daily basis so basically Apple is no more than a FART in the OS business.


By bkslopper on 11/4/2009 10:32:52 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know about you, but I fart on a 100% daily basis. I like my fiber.


By Cypherdude1 on 11/4/2009 7:07:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Most people didn't wake up o nthe 22nd and decide they HAD to go to the store for their copy of Win7. Mos tare waiting on either their XP/Vista machine to die
It takes a long, long, long time for a PC to die if you take precautions. Typically, the only real reason why a PC "dies" is because the cheap sleeve-bearing fan on a CPU dies inside a typical PC-maker's box. If someone installs a high quality 80mm ball-bearing CPU fan, a PC could last more than 8 years, as mine already has. If someone uses "Super Lube W/ptfe" to grease all their 80mm case fans, as I will, along with a UPS w/AVR and surge protection, a PC could last 20 years, about the lifetime of the capacitors.

As long as you know how to care for your PC and you don't subject your PC to viruses, your PC should last over a decade. Don't forget to change the motherboard button battery after 3 years. When the button battery goes out, you will lose all your BIOS settings and your system time will reset. "Print screen" out all your BIOS screens and use an anti-static wristband.

As for upgrading from XP Pro SP3 to Win7, unless there's some compelling reason to do so, why should anyone go through the expense and trouble?

NOTE: After searching for several YEARS, I finally found the proper lubricant in a usable form factor. Until recently, the only proper high speed fan lubricant I could find was Chevron's SRI Grease in a 14 OZ automotive tube! Totally impractical, I finally found Super Lube W/ptfe in a 3 Oz Tube. This is what it looks like, although you can probably find it locally in a hardware store:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000XBH9HI

Also, after about 3 years, your UPS's batteries will lose their charge. Don't throw it away. You can replace the 2 batteries for about $25/each instead of buying a new UPS for $120.
UPS AVR - Automatic Voltage Regulator:
http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techs...


By Alexstarfire on 11/4/2009 7:52:28 PM , Rating: 2
While looking at the physical aspects of a computer I can see your logic, but not in general. You'd need a very expensive computer for that to be worth while. The average computer doesn't cost enough for that to be feasible while maintaining minimum performance. At the 5 year mark the average computer would simply be underpowered for many applications. Also, the thing about the motherboard battery is pretty useless unless you unplug your PSU. As that'll supply the power it needs to the motherboard to not reset.


By Cypherdude1 on 11/4/2009 11:21:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You'd need a very expensive computer for that to be worth while...
At the 5 year mark the average computer would simply be underpowered for many applications.
When I first assembled this PC 8 years ago, the AMD 1400 MHz T-Bird (single core) was the fastest you could get and only cost $120. With 1 GB RAM in XP Pro, I have few complaints regarding speed. Of course, it is no longer a gaming PC, more for business apps. It does everything I need it to. The only things I replaced were the PATA drives and the nVidia-based Asus video card. Asus has very poor drivers so I bought an ATI-based AGP card. ATI is still updating their Radeon drivers.

quote:
Also, the thing about the motherboard battery is pretty useless unless you unplug your PSU. As that'll supply the power it needs to the motherboard to not reset.
Whenever you shut down your PC, you must also shut off your UPS's. I have 2, a 1200 for the PC box and a 1000 for the monitor and everything else. You cannot leave your UPS's powered because they will be vulnerable to power surges while you are not using your PC.


By Alexstarfire on 11/5/2009 2:00:38 AM , Rating: 2
Sounds more like a waste of money then. Cause you'll get to a certain point where the costs to maintain the system out-weight how much it would cost to get a comparable system. Which would probably be around the 3-5 year mark. It does depend on what you got to begin with though. Just saying that while it's possible it doesn't mean it makes sense economically. I've been running my computer without a UPS for years and have never had trouble, even when power surges and/or outages have caused my computer to crash.


By Akrovah on 11/5/2009 12:19:50 PM , Rating: 2
You actually used Asus's driver rather than going directly to nVidia?

And why would a UPS be susseptable to power surges. Every one I've every used was a surge protector in and of itself.


By PhoenixKnight on 11/4/2009 5:44:43 PM , Rating: 1
If you're farting 5.26 percent of the time, you should really see a doctor. Farting roughly 1 of of every 20 seconds is a clear sign of a serious medical problem.


By sebmel on 11/5/2009 1:15:34 PM , Rating: 1
J. Mick click baiting again. JM, when looking at those stats you need also to remember that Microsoft estimate 50% of all copies of Windows are pirated.

Here's a little more detail for a fuller picture than JM chooses to give:

How things change...

while Microsoft makes 800 more job cuts Apple has a record quarter and Steve Jobs is voted CEO of the decade by Fortune magazine:

http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/1...

http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/

"Remaking any one business is a career-defining achievement; four is unheard-of," the report said. "Think about that for a moment. Henry Ford altered the course of the nascent auto industry. PanAm's Juan Trippe invented the global airline. Conrad Hilton internationalized American hospitality.

In all instances, and many more like them, these entrepreneurs turned captains of industry defined a single market that had previously not been dominated by anyone. The industries that Jobs has turned topsy turvy already existed when he focused on them."

Since 2000, when Apple was worth about $5 billion, the company has delivered record quarter after record quarter. Today, Apple is worth about $170 billion, making it slightly more valuable than competitor Google.

In that time Microsoft have lost over 50% of their market value to stand at about $250 billion.

Past performance is notoriously no indicator of future performance but if Jobs keeps up the last decade's growth at Apple, while the other Steve maintains Microsoft in the doldrums, Apple may overtake Microsoft's market capitalisation perhaps as soon 2012.


By AlexWade on 11/4/2009 10:30:33 AM , Rating: 4
I know many people are waiting until Black Friday to buy a new computer. I expect the W7 marketshare to make a drastic jump after November 27.


By damianrobertjones on 11/4/2009 9:28:37 AM , Rating: 2
1 x Asus R2h - Win XP
1 x Laptop - Win7
2 x Desktops - Win7
1 x Works Desktop - Vista
1 x Works laptop - Vista
80x Works machines - WinXP
1 x Mobile phone - WinMob 6.5
1 x Fridge - Not sure


By jonmcc33 on 11/4/2009 10:25:59 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Third, I'm curious how many people surveyed have multiples. A Vista machine, an XP machine, and a Mac.


Did you read the entire post?

It clearly states, "While the data from Net Applications is certainly interesting, it does need to be taken with a grain of salt. Net Applications does not directly estimate hardware sales, rather it determines operating system usage based on data mining at its member sites which services over 160 million customers a month."

Where did you think this was a survey?


By Bateluer on 11/4/2009 11:59:54 AM , Rating: 2
My mistake. Still, its likely that a lot of the devices that were queried are owned by a single person. I've got Vista, 7, and Linux in my house, multiple machines of each. No Mac's though. I'm not elite enough to own a Mac.


RE: Windows 7 won't displace XP or Vista in 2 weeks
By Pirks on 11/4/2009 12:20:48 PM , Rating: 2
599 dollars to become elite? Man, I didn't know elite is so cheap these days :P


By dark matter on 11/4/2009 4:30:37 PM , Rating: 2
No way, I remember playing elite and it took more than 599 dollars let me tell you.


By Alexstarfire on 11/4/2009 5:28:51 PM , Rating: 2
That's double the entry price of what you could get a PC for, might actually be over double. Just saying.


RE: Windows 7 won't displace XP or Vista in 2 weeks
By Pirks on 11/4/2009 8:26:13 PM , Rating: 2
So paying double of the cheapest PC price makes you elite? LOL :)


By Alexstarfire on 11/5/2009 2:04:44 AM , Rating: 2
Not really, but it's a mentality that goes with buying Apple products, whether you believe in it or not. I'd be interested to know what the average cost of a PC is compared to the average cost of a Mac. It's like asking if paying double the cost of the average car makes you "elite". Not really since there are a lot of things more expensive, but it certainly makes you more "elite" than the average guy.


By mydogfarted on 11/4/2009 10:41:08 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Third, I'm curious how many people surveyed have multiples. A Vista machine, an XP machine, and a Mac.


*raises hand*
Most of my machines are multi-OS booting as well.

I'd love to see there be a little more standards amongst the *NIX distributions so you didn't have to compile apps to work with your specific distro. It has gotten significantly better in the last few years, but not quite there yet.


RE: Windows 7 won't displace XP or Vista in 2 weeks
By BZDTemp on 11/4/2009 4:46:13 PM , Rating: 2
I am pretty sure u shall see Linux grow. Especially when you look at internet traffic.

The next years will see even more devices come with a web browser and a good deal of those will run Linux (if perhaps hidden from the user). TV's, phones... all sorts of media equipment in peoples home, in planes, in trains, in cars...

I wonder what a PS3 reports as OS. I can see Omniture(Adobe) SiteCatalyst count is as a separate OS but it could be them doing something special.


By rudy on 11/4/2009 6:01:48 PM , Rating: 2
They are not surveying phones or other electronic devices otherwise symbian would be huge.


Attention media....
By Motoman on 11/4/2009 11:06:28 AM , Rating: 3
...Apple has ~4% of the market. Give them ~4% of the coverage...




RE: Attention media....
By Pirks on 11/4/2009 12:27:28 PM , Rating: 2
Yah! I wanna read only Toyota Yaris reviews, stop printing all your stupid 100 page thick supercar review magazines, their market share is too low for that!

Vogue should be shut down too, too much coverage of those boutiques nobody goes to :P


RE: Attention media....
By Alexstarfire on 11/4/2009 5:42:24 PM , Rating: 2
That's actually quite different from the way Apple gets coverage. You compare something that's on the edge of.... well whatever it is, be that fashion, technology, etc.. It's worth looking into. With Apple and some other companies..... it's just not. It's not on the edge of technology. I don't really care either way since it gives me some thing to talk about. But they aren't the same.


RE: Attention media....
By Pirks on 11/4/2009 8:44:04 PM , Rating: 2
Best notebook battery efficiency is not the edge? First use of multitouch on mass produced consumer devices (iPhone/iPod/MacBook) - not the edge? Really?? Best PMP with best selection of apps (I mean iPod Touch) is not the edge? Even when it has the fastest ARM chip inside? Most popular line of MP3 players/PMP/PDA is not the edge anymore, eh? When MacBook Air first introduced so much power in such a little thin chassis, first in the world using Intel SFF CPU packaging - not the edge, eh? Stop fanboyism, Alex, be a bit more objective.


RE: Attention media....
By Alexstarfire on 11/5/2009 2:08:07 AM , Rating: 2
Hey, I never said some things weren't the edge. I just meant not EVERYTHING they did. I mean come on now. If Steve Jobs took a fart I'm sure Jason would write an article about it.


RE: Attention media....
By Pirks on 11/5/2009 2:34:24 AM , Rating: 2
Mick just baits for clicks by posting Apple posts here, don't beat him hard for that, he's earning $$$ this way ;)


RE: Attention media....
By Alexstarfire on 11/5/2009 3:01:24 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure a lot of the other "journalists" do the same thing. I'm not blaming Apple since they don't control the press AFAIK. People like Mick are what made journalism the way it is now. It's not about facts, it's about profit. I don't mind profit, but when it gets in the way of facts that's when I have an issue.


RE: Attention media....
By Pirks on 11/5/2009 11:15:45 AM , Rating: 2
In this particular case Mick's profit did not get in the way of facts. He just used some commonly known facts to get his clicks, so nothing to complain about.


RE: Attention media....
By Alexstarfire on 11/7/2009 7:23:49 PM , Rating: 2
No, but that's not the point for many of his articles. The facts might be there, but it's vastly open to interpretation. I'm sure Mick intentionally picked the month Win 7 came out simply because it was so late in the month. I don't expect a whole lot to change in a little over a week, especially when looking at percentages in the computer market. When you cherry pick your data it doesn't matter if it's fact or not. It provides you with the outcome you are looking for and not necessarily what the real outcome is.


9 DAYS ????
By jstchilln on 11/4/2009 10:21:29 AM , Rating: 5
9 Days, and that is what you draw your conclusions from is 9 days.
I look at the latest mac increases the same as I do the Obama election. After a while people wake up and realize the commercials and promises are empty and its the same old story. The forums and message boards are full of the same idiots that couldn't run a Windows machine and they are NOW having problems with Apple.




RE: 9 DAYS ????
By Denigrate on 11/4/2009 11:02:12 AM , Rating: 3
Well, unfortunately, far too many people like fluff over substance,and blindly believe everything they see/hear on the "news" and adverts which are basically the same thing these days.


RE: 9 DAYS ????
By wushuktl on 11/4/2009 11:43:00 AM , Rating: 2
You know i didn't see the relation to the President but now that you mention it... it all makes perfect sense! Thanks


but...
By muhahaaha on 11/4/2009 11:28:57 AM , Rating: 5
Didn't Win7 come out August 22? And these statistics are for August?

So of course there's not gonna be a lot of market share gain for Win7 over a period of 9 days.

Duh. Report some newsworthy stuff please.




RE: but...
By muhahaaha on 11/4/2009 11:29:51 AM , Rating: 2
I mean October. Edit function please!


RE: but...
By Alexstarfire on 11/4/2009 5:43:39 PM , Rating: 2
You're asking the impossible from Mick.


um, what?
By RedStar on 11/4/2009 6:26:20 PM , Rating: 2
"Apple's marketshare rose from 5.12 percent to 5.26 percent, a marketshare gain of 2.73 percent"

awesome math to be sure :P




RE: um, what?
By carniver on 11/4/2009 7:16:33 PM , Rating: 2
It's correct, (5.26-5.12)/5.12=0.0273


RE: um, what?
By RedStar on 11/5/2009 12:06:42 AM , Rating: 2
yes .0273% marketshare


RE: um, what?
By Alexstarfire on 11/5/2009 2:10:40 AM , Rating: 2
no, it's .0273 which is 2.73%.

Of course you could do the math in reverse and see if it works. Just multiply %5.12 by 1.0273 and see what you get, ok?


Linux needs driver support before it expands.
By blueaurora on 11/4/2009 9:06:13 AM , Rating: 2
Windows deserves to be in front linux in second and apple eating the crap patties left behind. Linux would be primary for me if they would just get the driver issues behind them. I will run it on two of my laptops but driver support isn't there.

They will never be a mainstream contender until they get that nailed down.




By axias41 on 11/4/2009 3:57:54 PM , Rating: 2
I'm a Ubuntu user. All my notebook hardware has been installed and is properly working, and I didn't have to install any driver but ati graphics driver.


By PhoenixKnight on 11/4/2009 5:54:08 PM , Rating: 2
The only drivers Linux seems to have many problems with are wireless cards for laptops. For just about everything else, the drivers are there, though they're not necessarily compiled into the kernel. Learn to compile you're own kernel (or use a better distro) and your problems should mostly disappear.


What?
By Denigrate on 11/4/2009 9:27:08 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Windows has a 2.85 percent marketshare, while Apple's OS X 10.6 currently has a 1.16 percent market, a comparison that's certain to delight Apple enthusiasts.


How does this statement make any sense? OSX 10.6, Apples latest service pack, has been out much longer than Win7. So in effect, Win7 is growing much, much faster than Apples offering.




RE: What?
By Breathless on 11/4/2009 9:47:19 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps their percentage increase is simply from the growing number of people figuring out how to make hackintoshes!


Come up with something more interesting
By crystal clear on 11/5/2009 8:05:15 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It however lost very little marketshare, sliding a mere 0.23 percent, down to 92.54 percent from 92.77 percent.


The article is simply Apple promotion !

Apple marketshare is so small & irrelevant that its not worth the discussion.

Apple bashing was once a great fun now its boredom....

Find something more inspiring to wake up the Daily tech commentators.




RE: Come up with something more interesting
By Pirks on 11/5/2009 11:21:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple bashing was once a great fun now its boredom
You don't say man! With all the chicko potato whaaa trolls gone and replaced with meek and polite Alex it's not an ol' good fun it used to be. *sighs*


By crystal clear on 11/5/2009 9:03:44 PM , Rating: 2
Dont give up hope ! its downtime now - wait for JOBS to say something like "we reinvented the PC" or something like "throw the 7 out of your window".

D.T. will pick it up,add on some spices & serve with some curry to you and then the fun begins.


Yes..
By damianrobertjones on 11/4/2009 9:27:02 AM , Rating: 3
There's a sucker born every minute.

There's only one way I would run osx and that's a Hackintosh. I'd pay for the operating system but REFUSE to buy the overpriced (in some cases) hardware.

The shame of it all is that Apple have captured the idiotic and blind minds of the younger gen that aren't tech savvy.
"I want a mac"
"Why?"
"Cause (add silly mis-informed reason due to terrible adverts"

The truth is this: The idiots that have been trashing windows for years, never learning, will soon buy macs and eventually, in a cruel fashion, will then trash their macs. Who will they blame then?




RE: Yes..
By bkslopper on 11/4/2009 10:35:54 AM , Rating: 2
It doesn't matter who they blame, Apple will have their money.


Arrogant Prick
By Alexstarfire on 11/4/2009 5:35:06 PM , Rating: 5
Yes Mick, it's because you made the article on PC computers having junkware on them. That's exactly what made people turn to Macs. Granted that less than %.0001 of the computer population even read your article. That might actually have been lenient.




New and original reporting...
By Shig on 11/4/2009 8:54:50 AM , Rating: 3
It's not like the windows | Mac OS marketshares have remained nearly unchanged for a decade. Give or take 8% at the very most...

Report on something interesting like Smart Phone OS's, an area with actual decent competition.




RE: New and original reporting...
By reader1 on 11/4/09, Rating: 0
Aren't statistics brilliant.
By dark matter on 11/4/2009 4:40:53 PM , Rating: 2
Statistics.

Ah, what a wonderful tool. Such as stating that Apple would need to increase it's existing marketshare gain by a factor 36.5 just to increase its overall markeshare to 10%.

If you assume the amount of money spent on advertising Apple against microsoft was worth 0.14% of the overall market. You could argue that the would need to spend 715 times that amount just to get that extra 5% to take them to the lofty 10% marketshare amount.

Well done Apple, have some pie.




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