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Apple knocks it out of the park with iPhone 5s, 5c sales

A year after the launch of the iPhone 5, Apple is once again touting impressive launch day sales figures. This time around, Apple announced that it sold over nine million iPhone 5c and iPhone 5s smartphones during the first three days of availability.
 
To put that in perspective, when the iPhone 5 launched last year, it sold 5 million units during the first weekend. However, one must take into account that Apple launched two new models this year instead of just one, and China was included in launch day figures this time around.
 
Despite these sticking points, 9 million units moved in three days is still an impressive number for any smartphone company.


iPhone 5C
 
“This is our best iPhone launch yet?more than nine million new iPhones sold?a new record for first weekend sales,” said Apple CEO Tim Cook. “The demand for the new iPhones has been incredible, and while we’ve sold out of our initial supply of iPhone 5s, stores continue to receive new iPhone shipments regularly. We appreciate everyone’s patience and are working hard to build enough new iPhones for everyone.”
 
Also mentioned in Apple's press release was the fact that following its official debut on September 18, there are already 200 million devices running iOS 7. Apple went on to say that this makes iOS 7 the "fastest software upgrade in history". In the words of the late Steve Jobs, "BOOM!"
 

Source: Apple



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Nicely done
By quiksilvr on 9/23/2013 10:41:57 AM , Rating: 4
Say what you want about the company (trust me, I've said plenty), but they got their marketing locked down. I would like to see how it was distributed amongst the two models, but still, that's an achievement.




RE: Nicely done
By retrospooty on 9/23/2013 10:45:41 AM , Rating: 2
Supply Chain too... To have 9 million ready to go on day one is amazing. The phone itself to me is a laugher, http://imgur.com/account/favorites/XJXrOXu , but the marketing and supply chain are impressive by any measure.


RE: Nicely done
By superflex on 9/23/2013 10:53:38 AM , Rating: 2
Supply chain?
My soon to be 16 yo daughter desperately want a Gold iP5S.
Apple and AT&T both say availability will be mid to late October.


RE: Nicely done
By retrospooty on 9/23/2013 10:56:11 AM , Rating: 5
Yup... 9 million of anything technical is amazing. IF they faltered it was estimating how many 16 year old girls would like the gold color. LOL.

Which says a TON about their customer base ROFL


RE: Nicely done
By Cypherdude1 on 9/23/2013 9:41:21 PM , Rating: 2
I spoke to a smart phone customer, I forgot if it was an iPhone, and she told me she spends $200 a month for full Internet connectivity. Is this what most people spend on their smartphone plans? If this is what people pay for their iPhone Internet connectivity, they can have it because that is ridiculous. No wonder Apple and Jobs got rich.

When I'm on the road, I use my laptop and I have several JPEG files which show me where the hot-spots are from my Internet service. These are free. I asked my Internet service to have PDF files available on their website for a list of all their hotspots but they never bothered.

For my mobile phone, I use a simple flip-phone and I buy phone cards for it.


RE: Nicely done
By hpglow on 9/24/2013 12:48:05 AM , Rating: 2
It's BS. We have 2 iPhones and two flip phones on the same plan and the bill is about $150.


RE: Nicely done
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/25/2013 3:12:19 PM , Rating: 1
It's not necessarily bullshit, depending on the plan, it's 100 percent possible. With Verizon, I was just looking and they have a unlimited talk and 40GB data for 300 a month, just the PLAN, so yes, again, it's 100 percent possible she is.


RE: Nicely done
By talonvor on 9/27/2013 5:07:32 PM , Rating: 2
You can spend that much quite easily on almost every provider except for T Mobile. I have tried to do the same on T Mobile, but it took adding a family plan and several phones to get to that point and thats with their unlimited talk, text and data, which by the way is only $70 per month.


RE: Nicely done
By Reclaimer77 on 9/24/2013 7:31:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yup... 9 million of anything technical is amazing. IF they faltered it was estimating how many 16 year old girls would like the gold color. LOL.


Fun fact: 47% of all iPhone 5C sales so far have been pink.


RE: Nicely done
By Kiffberet on 9/26/2013 8:04:46 AM , Rating: 2

quote:
Which says a TON about their customer base ROFL


Which business is doing better?

The business that makes phones for themselves and sell 1.
Or the business that makes phones for 16 year old girls and sells 9 million in a weekend.


RE: Nicely done
By ipay on 9/23/2013 10:56:42 AM , Rating: 2
Fav links no workie for the rest of us.

http://imgur.com/XJXrOXu


RE: Nicely done
By retrospooty on 9/23/2013 11:00:10 AM , Rating: 2
Crap... Thanks. I didnt notice I did that. I was too distracted by Zoolander LOL.

http://imgur.com/XJXrOXu


RE: Nicely done
By hiscross on 9/23/2013 12:45:50 PM , Rating: 1
'The phone itself to me is a laugher" I suppose you can make and sell a better device. I'll pay you $1M USD if you can do so in 1 week.


RE: Nicely done
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/23/2013 10:58:38 AM , Rating: 2
I'm actually most impressed about 200 million devices on iOS 7 already. That's mighty impressive.


RE: Nicely done
By Nutzo on 9/23/2013 12:44:05 PM , Rating: 3
That's an awful lot of sheeple.....


RE: Nicely done
By Solandri on 9/23/2013 5:43:30 PM , Rating: 3
Tech enthusiasts make up a small portion of the population, maybe about 5%. The other 95% comprises everyone from stupid people and sheeple, to intelligent non-tech folks (like lawyers and doctors) who just want a tech device that's easy for them to use.

Apple understands this perfectly, and they don't give a second thought to killing the cows that are sacred to tech enthusiasts (openness, expandability, options and variety) to deliver a phone for the masses. These people aren't capable of or don't want to deal with the complexity that comes from a phone which appeals to tech enthusiasts, and they're willing to pay extra money to be insulated from that complexity. If you've ever wondered who in their right mind would pay $100 for an extra 16 GB of built-in flash, it's these people. They would rather pay the $100 than deal with having to learn how to insert a microSD card and add its storage space to their media player's library.

For a car analogy, enthusiasts may argue endlessly about turbochargers, engine displacement, torque curves, and programmable ECUs. But at the end of the day, the best selling cars are still the bland Camry and Accord.


RE: Nicely done
By retrospooty on 9/23/2013 5:46:33 PM , Rating: 2
"Tech enthusiasts make up a small portion of the population, maybe about 5%. The other 95% comprises everyone from stupid people and sheeple, to intelligent non-tech folks (like lawyers and doctors) who just want a tech device that's easy for them to use. Apple understands this perfectly, and they don't give a second thought to killing the cows that are sacred to tech enthusiasts (openness, expandability, options and variety) to deliver a phone for the masses. These people aren't capable of or don't want to deal with the complexity that comes from a phone which appeals to tech enthusiasts, and they're willing to pay extra money to be insulated from that complexity. "

That is probably the simplest, fairest, most realistic comparison I have read... Props.


RE: Nicely done
By w8gaming on 9/25/2013 3:05:32 AM , Rating: 2
But inserting a SDCard is more like inserting a DVD. Maybe people are just getting lazy. I guess if Apple invented an iFeedMe device next to auto feed people food, it will become another mega seller.


RE: Nicely done
By splatter85 on 9/25/2013 10:41:34 AM , Rating: 2
I'll take built in flash memory over a MicroSD Card any day. The transfer rates are much faster! When I'm low on space it's usually because of photos so I just offload the old ones onto my PC in a neatly dated "phone pics" folder and continue living life.


RE: Nicely done
By retrospooty on 9/25/2013 11:52:11 AM , Rating: 2
It's not really built for speed, although you can buy faster SD cards. Anyhow the point isnt to run your OS and apps from it, its for media, Movies, MP3's, backups etc.


RE: Nicely done
By w8gaming on 9/25/2013 3:02:28 AM , Rating: 2
I always think of Apple having incredible logistic and supply chain management. The only other company that can come close to this is Samsung. Microsoft keeps stressing they want to be a "device" company. They better get someone who is qualified to manage this if they ever hope to achieve that. Remember how bad the supply of Surface Pro was during launch?


apple still not there...
By bond007taz on 9/23/13, Rating: -1
RE: apple still not there...
By Motoman on 9/23/2013 10:47:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
when will Apple add SDHC ports to their devices?!


No one wants something that Apple doesn't provide. Don't you know that? Since Apple doesn't put SDHC slots on their phones, no one wants them. But, if they *did* put an SDHC slot on a phone, it would be the greatest invention ever.


RE: apple still not there...
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/23/2013 12:36:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
But, if they *did* put an SDHC slot on a phone, it would be the greatest invention ever.


... and would sue the pants off anyone who dared to include their proprietary SDHC ports on their phones - after all Apple would have invented them.


RE: apple still not there...
By Rukkian on 9/23/2013 10:49:01 AM , Rating: 2
While I am not by any means an apple fan, that argument is tough when most Android phone makers no longer do it either. Samsung is pretty much the only one that does.

Removable batteries are not available on most phones either.

While I would like to have the 2, there is obviously many people who do not care about them.

Apple could probably just slap a fruit logo on the back of most Android phones and would sell more than the same phone from any android manufacturer, just because of the cult following.

While Android is selling more, most of the times, it is not to Apple users imo. There are some people that like to switch it up, but most people just want the same thing over and over with no change, which is what they get from Apple.


RE: apple still not there...
By Motoman on 9/23/2013 11:03:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
that argument is tough when most Android phone makers no longer do it either.


lolwut?


RE: apple still not there...
By DiscoWade on 9/23/2013 11:13:26 AM , Rating: 2
Are you serious? Two features I consider "not optional" are a SD slot and a removable battery. Looks like I better research my next phone to make sure it hasn't cut out the features I want the most.


RE: apple still not there...
By retrospooty on 9/23/2013 11:29:13 AM , Rating: 2
I think the point he is making is that most Android phones don't have these either.

SD and removable batteries are not the "staple" of the Android platform. Flexibility is. You can have those thing, or any # of other options that dont exist on IOS.


RE: apple still not there...
By Flunk on 9/23/2013 11:43:42 AM , Rating: 2
You may find Samsung the only company that still offers both of those. I can't think of any other ones off the top of my head (not that that means much).


RE: apple still not there...
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/23/2013 12:34:05 PM , Rating: 2
Micro SDCard and removable battery is more a staple of Samsung in particular rather than Android phones in general.

Mind you that also might be why Samsung outsells every other Android phone maker (and depending on who you listen to - outsells ALL smartphone makers including Apple).

I agree that I would not own a smartphone without these two (for me) must-have features. I leverage both of these features too much to want to do without them.


RE: apple still not there...
By Nutzo on 9/23/2013 12:43:10 PM , Rating: 2
That's why I have a Samsung, because I need more than 16GB on my phone, and it's easy to add another 32GB for less than $30.

If phones came with 64GB or more standard (and for a reasonable price), I could get by without an SD slot.

I did just buy a couple Nexus 4 phones for the family. Figured it was worth the compromise of only 16GB (that's all they really need) at the deal price of $250.

It's crazy how much more they want for the extra 8GB or 16GB of built in flash. It's also crazy that so many of the low-end phone only come with 4GB of flash, when I can buy an 8GB Micro sd card for less than $10, or a 16GB for $15.


RE: apple still not there...
By Rukkian on 9/23/2013 12:53:26 PM , Rating: 2
I thought about getting another samsung, but can get by with 32gb of storage (had the galaxy nexus previously and got by), but could not do 16GB (hence the Moto X was out). I really did want a removable battery, but there were too many things about the GS4 I did not care for to use that. The N3 looks nice, but is just too big for me and I hate touchwiz.

I ended up grabbing a LGG2 and so far love it. Got root, and several roms are already being worked on. The radios seem stronger than most Samsungs I have played with (which is one of their weakest points).

In the end, I love having choices. What I like, may not be what others like. I hate being told what I like and what I can use, and that is what (IMO) makes android so nice. Some may fell that SD cards and removable batteries are neccessary, and for others, it may not be a big deal.


RE: apple still not there...
By Nutzo on 9/23/2013 6:14:12 PM , Rating: 2
Sell me a phone for less than $300 (no contract) with 64GB standard, and a battery that lasts 3 days under moderate use, and I won't need a removeable battery or sd slot.

However, there's still the problem with Apple's closed system. I want to be able to load apps from outside the company store, which Apple will never allow, so I'll stick with Android.


RE: apple still not there...
By xti on 9/23/2013 1:41:25 PM , Rating: 1
removable battery is a huge band aid that everyone bought as a feature...

maybe battery tech just sucks, and I wish the consumer base would demand better battery service instead of taking up more room in my pocket with a spare battery.


RE: apple still not there...
By XZerg on 9/23/13, Rating: -1
RE: apple still not there...
By Flunk on 9/23/2013 11:46:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The A7 processor's processing/watt is nothing short of amazing compared to the Android counterparts


It's not magical, it's just a dual-core processor instead of the quad-cores that Android manufacturers love for some unknown reason.

Apple's ability to sell product is impressive, but it's not let the praise train run away with us.


RE: apple still not there...
By XZerg on 9/23/2013 1:27:42 PM , Rating: 2
i understand that it is a dual-core and not quad cores but if you look at the benches, the A7 performance is better than most in most benches. The fact that it is dual core adds even more to a good design cpu.


RE: apple still not there...
By Rukkian on 9/23/2013 3:00:07 PM , Rating: 2
The only problem with that, is usually when Apple releases their once a year flagship, they show a big lead over every other device, and then Android manufacturers work to catch up over the next few months. This time around, it was beat by a few before it was released, meaning that by the time they release the next one, it will be way behind.

I want apple to stay in the game if for no other reason than to push the other manufacturers. The A7 is a nice chip, but just not enough overall imo. They could sell a phone with an A5 and call it new, and all the apple fans would still line up to buy it, but competition is usually good for the consumer.


RE: apple still not there...
By coondini on 9/23/2013 3:11:18 PM , Rating: 2
And of course, who made the A7 again?

Thank you...


By TakinYourPoints on 9/23/2013 5:41:46 PM , Rating: 1
From Anandtech: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-r...

quote:
The iPhone 5s is quite possibly the biggest S-update we've ever seen from Apple.

...

The A7 SoC is seriously impressive. Apple calls it a desktop-class SoC, but I'd rather refer to it as something capable of competing with the best Intel has to offer in this market. In many cases the A7's dual cores were competitive with Intel's recently announced Bay Trail SoC.


The A7 is benching about as fast as a 2010 mobile Core 2 Duo. Its as fast as the fastest Bay Trail Atom while drawing way less power and being on a much crappier process.

Their investments in CPU firms and ARM licenses are paying off with the fastest and most efficient custom configurations out there. This isn't leapfrogging, this is pulling away, given that the GS4 and HTC One aren't much faster than the old parts in the iPhone 5C.


RE: apple still not there...
By AMDftw on 9/23/13, Rating: -1
A comparison
By Tony Swash on 9/23/13, Rating: -1
RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/23/2013 12:24:07 PM , Rating: 5
Yup... No doubt about it. Apple has made a fortune convincing teenage girls, the elderly and the otherwise non-technically inclined that the iPhone is the best thing available... Brilliant marketing, brilliant business plan. Not at all true, but brilliant nonetheless.


RE: A comparison
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/23/2013 12:41:01 PM , Rating: 4
Nah it is none of that. Screw the technical stuff! Apple has a cuter name than Samsung, LC, Motorola, Nokia or HTC. We all know that!

It is cuteness that sells to the teenage girls, elderly and otherwise non-technical crowd.


RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/23/2013 1:09:06 PM , Rating: 2
Still brilliant.


RE: A comparison
By KiwiTT on 9/23/2013 1:41:38 PM , Rating: 2
As a former IT Manager/Engineer of 30+ years, I learnt that technology is best when it is easy to use and support. The 'smarts' are best when they are less obvious or require less interaction by the user. This is what many successful technology solutions does best.


RE: A comparison
By TakinYourPoints on 9/23/2013 5:34:22 PM , Rating: 1
Retro doesn't have a lot going for him, give him this one thing to feel good about ;)


RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/23/2013 5:57:14 PM , Rating: 2
Let me ignore your lame insult and just give you this...

http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=33429...

Solandri said it best right there.


RE: A comparison
By TakinYourPoints on 9/23/2013 6:31:20 PM , Rating: 2
His post is all true. That said, it also fortunately offers good things for the power user: best-in-class performance and the best mobile app library out there. "Just working" and working great is awesome, no?

Android certainly has things like 5"+ screens and removable batteries, and that's great for people who want them (side note: I think Apple is going with a bigger screen next year, not retard huge like 5"+ but 4.5" or 4.7").

Putting on airs of personal technical superiority is laughable though. I know my way around a bash prompt, I gamed way back when we had to write custom config.sys and batch files to make things run well in DOS (not to mention configuring IRQ ports, woo), and the idea that Android users are technically knowledgeable because they rooted and customized their phone is silly child's play.


RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/23/2013 6:52:11 PM , Rating: 2
"best-in-class performance and the best mobile app library out there."

Saying the A7 is faster than the Snapdragon 800 is a bit like saying, "My Ferrari is faster than your Lamboghini" , but OK. Both are way fast at this point. WE need to concentrate on other areas now.

" (side note: I think Apple is going with a bigger screen next year, not retard huge like 5"+ but 4.5" or 4.7")."

I agree, and its a good move. A larger iPhone with higher res would shut alot of people up... Myself included. It would probably own the high end. I cant grasp what in the hell is taking Apple so long. I really expected it this year.

"I gamed way back when we had to write custom config.sys and batch files to make things run well in DOS"

LOL, me too. My first outing at this was gertting Doom to run on DOS with only 4mb RAM. I had to use (I think I recall this correctly) the himem.sys command to get a few extra K of RAM to load into higher memory to clear room forthe game to run in std memory. That event started me down a whole different career path and lifestyle for that matter.

"and the idea that Android users are technically knowledgeable because they rooted and customized their phone is silly child's play."

mmmmmmmm No. A bit of misdirection there and you know it. Android is so much more than that and I think you know it. Hell, even Woz gets it. Anyone technical should. I get whyt you like IOS, and I think you , being technical, get why people like Android, and it's not just the large screens with higher res.


RE: A comparison
By TakinYourPoints on 9/24/2013 2:56:53 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Saying the A7 is faster than the Snapdragon 800 is a bit like saying, "My Ferrari is faster than your Lamboghini" , but OK. Both are way fast at this point. WE need to concentrate on other areas now.


Ah yes, ignoring performance that is as fast as a mobile Core 2 Duo from a few years ago and as good as Bay Trail while using a fraction of the power on a crappier process is totally fine. Cause you know, its from the other guy. ;)

quote:
mmmmmmmm No. A bit of misdirection there and you know it. Android is so much more than that and I think you know it. Hell, even Woz gets it. Anyone technical should.


Woz owns pretty much every gadget out there and yet his daily driver is still an iPhone, primarily because of the apps.

Hell, he's even said nice things about Windows Phone, that it is "more beautiful and intuitive than Android, it's no contest", but I wouldn't use that as any sort of argumentative point.

Android has lots of positive things about it. The point of the post is that reducing all positive points about iOS to being "retard friendly" while ignoring superior software, performance, CS, and UI responsiveness (now quantified) is very short sighted.

And again, circlejerking over tweaking and widgets and SD cards and rooting is ridiculous given that it is technical child's play that anyone can do.


RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/24/2013 8:29:29 AM , Rating: 2
"Ah yes, ignoring performance that is as fast as a mobile Core 2 Duo from a few years ago and as good as Bay Trail while using a fraction of the power on a crappier process is totally fine. Cause you know, its from the other guy. ;)"

Where does this even come from - "ignoring" ? It's fast. It's plenty fast. Last years chips were plenty fast and this years are even faster, as next year will be too. Comparing it to Ferrari v Lamborghini is not "ignoring" its acknowledging its power. If you look at all of the CPU and GPU benchmarks, you will see that the Snap800 measures up very well. It's plenty fast too. I know the non-asshat half of your personality realizes the point I am making. Both are plenty fast, its really less and less important with every gen picking out benchmarks where this one gets 100 more "marks" than that one or an extra 3fps in the latest game. That is soooo early 2000's, time to move on... Lets concentrate on other areas that ARE lacking because CPU/GPU speed in mobile is not.

"Woz owns pretty much every gadget out there and yet his daily driver is still an iPhone, primarily because of the apps."

No-one expects him to say anything other than the iPhone is his main phone, but what he said was "I really wish my iPhone did all that my Android can do". That is the tweaker in him. Android is the best platform available for the people that have that in them. IOS really is a better platform for those that don't know how, or want to. I have always said that.

"Android has lots of positive things about it. The point of the post is that reducing all positive points about iOS to being "retard friendly" while ignoring superior software, performance, CS, and UI responsiveness (now quantified) is very short sighted."

Not ignoring. I can acknowledge that, but the difference isnt anywhere near as large as you make it out to be. The negatives outweigh the positives to me. Anyhow what was mentioned above is that most IOS fans are technical illiterates and that is very VERY true. There isnt anything you can say that changes that. Touting the technical merits of the IOS platform does not make the bulk of it's users any more technical. They aren't. My mother and My grandmother are perfect iPhone customers. A simple interface with no options is good for them. That is all this was saying.

For me, my own usage model has changed. I dont travel to Asia for work anymore so removable battery and expandable storate arent as important to me. I just got an LG G2. Like I said the speed is there on all of them, right now the way I use my phone the OS flexibility, Screen, and battery life are most important to me. On those 3 fronts there is no competition. The iPhone just cant match it. The screen blows the iPhone out of the water. Close on the battery, but still not equal. http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-r...


RE: A comparison
By TakinYourPoints on 9/25/2013 1:19:39 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Anyhow what was mentioned above is that most IOS fans are technical illiterates and that is very VERY true. There isnt anything you can say that changes that. Touting the technical merits of the IOS platform does not make the bulk of it's users any more technical. They aren't.


Touting the merits of Android doesn't make their users any more technical either.

Android is running on a niche of high end devices, despite what Samsung's marketing would like people to believe. Within that high-end niche there is another niche of people who are technically knowledgeable, simply because most people don't know wtf when it comes to that sort of thing in the first place.

The main thing the majority of Android users are is low income. Most people use Android because a low end device is all they can afford.

Saying most Android users are naturally technically minded is a terrible conclusion that you are inferring.


RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/25/2013 8:30:22 AM , Rating: 2
"Saying most Android users are naturally technically minded is a terrible conclusion that you are inferring."


I didnt day most Android users are technical. "Most" of any demographic arent technical. I am saying technical users prefer Android, so they arent locked in to a box where the user experience is dictated by douchbags in Cupertino.

I think you are confusing alot of things here. I don't give a crap about the low end phones sold. The only positive there is that Android is flexible to do whatever the need is. It can do amazing new concepts like scale to "different resolutions" and use "more than one chipset" LOL. (Yes, that was heavy sarcasm)

For high end phones, Android is the only game in town. I sit back and laugh at your tiny little phone with its ridiculous low res and still, in 2013, 16mb ram as the base model high end phone LOL.


RE: A comparison
By Reclaimer77 on 9/25/2013 8:39:12 AM , Rating: 2
But..but..haven't you seen iOS7!!?? Well if you use Android, chances are you have...

http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/r/story/70/00/016705...


RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/25/2013 8:45:39 AM , Rating: 2
Shhhh.... When Apple blatantly copies other OS's features we call it "improving". It's only copying when others do it to Apple.

Still waiting on Apple to copy the ability to support more than one resolution... Or at least 1 higher one LOL.


RE: A comparison
By TakinYourPoints on 9/25/2013 5:49:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't give a crap about the low end phones sold.


You clearly do based on how much you love to talk about Android's market share, of which all growth is coming from the low end. Or am I confusing your posts with reclaimer's? I could be.

quote:
For high end phones, Android is the only game in town.


They do have big screens, which is great if that's your preference. Otherwise you're dealing with a (still) laggy interface, at best you're waiting months for AAA software to get ported from iOS if it gets ported at all, and second rate support from the manufacturer (this is something I really wish would change).

On the flip side, I don't laugh at your obnoxiously huge 5" phone (I don't like to be condescending and unlike you my self-worth isn't tied to my phone), but I am amazed at how impractical it is as a portable device. 4.5" is about as big as things can get before they're obnoxious.

quote:
16mb ram as the base model high end phone LOL.


This is the baseline for the GS4 and HTC, what are you talking about?


RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/25/2013 6:26:55 PM , Rating: 2
"They do have big screens, which is great if that's your preference. Otherwise you're dealing with a (still) laggy interface"

Laggy? People are confusing the very minimal 50ms touch lag with the bloat and slow memory some makers use. If yo get a clean device with stock android it's quite fast. I have zero complaints... Although, If you leave a Samsung device at stock, I do get that it will slow down. Still, with a decent ROM, it's fast as hell.

"at best you're waiting months for AAA software to get ported "

Simply ridiculous. You need to update your jargain, its not 2011 anymore.

"This is the baseline for the GS4 and HTC, what are you talking about"

??? Those are a half a year old+ old phones. High end phones sold in 2H2013 have 32mb as a base and I am amazed that the iPhone 5s still doesn't. You cant possibly be happy about that one.

No matter how you put it, the iPhone screen still sucks. You cant possibly be happy with that one either. Same rediculously low res in a "premium" phone, Ugh. You quote yourself "Ah yes, another DT post defending third-rate tech as "perfect". How totally surprising."

Of course there are good points, but this years release changes nothing over last years. It's still top end with speed, and well built, but lacking a HUGE list of features. The only things it added to its huge list of missing items is the things it copied from its competitors. LOL.

But if your happy with it, be happy, but lets not put it up against the big boys, it just loks silly mmmmkay?


RE: A comparison
By TakinYourPoints on 9/27/2013 2:18:49 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
its not 2011 anymore


The surprising thing is that its almost 2014 and AAA iOS software still comes out months ahead of its Android counterparts, if it gets ported at all, and on the tablet front there is absolutely no comparison.

I honestly thought this gap would have closed in 2012, but it hasn't changed one bit.

quote:
Still, with a decent ROM, it's fast as hell.


Nope, even with a clean ROM there is still input lag. Its an inherent issue with the OS and where it puts priority compared to iOS. This is way before we get to apps running interpreted code instead of native.

quote:
Same rediculously low res in a "premium" phone


And again you twist "low res" with a 4" size, disregarding PPI and ignoring the fact that not everyone wants a 5" juggernaut (if Apple goes bigger I hope they top out at 4.7"). How you ignore PPI in these discussions so you can reframe a 4" screen in a different way is... rediculous. ;


RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/27/2013 8:16:52 AM , Rating: 2
"How you ignore PPI in these discussions so you can reframe a 4" screen in a different way is... rediculous."

No-one said that. Today's Android phones have 440+ PPI. They have bigger screen, higher res AND higher PPI.

"Nope, even with a clean ROM there is still input lag"
There is a small input lag. When on a non-bloaty ROM it's very minimal. You cant just pick one sentence out nad make an argument off of it. Read the whole post

"The surprising thing is that its almost 2014 and AAA iOS software still comes out months ahead of its Android counterparts, if it gets ported at all, and on the tablet front there is absolutely no comparison."

You are just wrong... Always.


RE: A comparison
By TakinYourPoints on 9/25/2013 6:17:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I didnt day most Android users are technical. "Most" of any demographic arent technical. I am saying technical users prefer Android, so they arent locked in to a box where the user experience is dictated by douchbags in Cupertino.


That is quite the jump-to-conclusions-mat you have there. Friends at Microsoft, Google (one of whom bought a gold 5S, haha), Valve, Blizzard, JPL, and numerous other tech companies use iOS as their main mobile platform.

Believe it or not, some technical users like to use their devices. They have more important work to do in their day-to-day than fiddling with their home screen or rooting to try and get something to work how it should have in the first place.

And your language, "douchebags", haha.

You are projecting way too much Mr. IT Man.


RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/25/2013 6:37:01 PM , Rating: 1
"believe it or not, some technical users like to use their devices. They have more important work to do in their day-to-day than fiddling "

I'll give you that. the iPhone works better out of the box. It does alot less, but has a lot less to do to get it there. I liken it to Photoshop vs MS Paint. Photoshop is harder to use, and has a much longer learning curve, but in the end is a far better platform for those that know how to use it and have taken the time to make good things of it. The iPhone is like MS paint. It's fast and does what it does very well and it's easy to use. Anyone can do it (although I am still amazed at how many users we have with problems using the iPhone. Even it is too difficult for many. That is not a knock on the iPhone, its user issues.

"And your language, "douchebags", haha. You are projecting way too much Mr. IT Man."

Nah, I think it fits perfectly. Check your mirror. You just might be suffering from the iDouche syndrome. The need you seem to have to come out on the web and defend it to no end is the primary symptom, although you do have it to a lesser extent than many here at AT/DT. You don't get all angry and ranty about it. You keep yours to a dull preach. We will call you iDouch symplex 1 where Jack Burton, Testerguy(1 and 2), BSMonitor, MacDevDude are all iDouche Symplex3... For reference, Tony Swash is simplex 2, he is off the deep end for Apple, but not angry or psycho like the iDouche symplex 3 crowd.


RE: A comparison
By TakinYourPoints on 9/27/2013 2:10:10 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
The need you seem to have to come out on the web and defend it to no end is the primary symptom


As opposed to you and reclaimer who say outrageous things like performance doesn't matter, input lag doesn't matter, apps don't matter, and so on. I have no problem talking about my problems with Apple products, nor do I have problems talking about the advantages of Android hardware.

You guys are Android apologists to the end, no matter how far you stretch credibility and reality.

Give me a break. You are both a hypocrite and deluded.


RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/27/2013 4:18:37 PM , Rating: 2
"As opposed to you and reclaimer who say outrageous things like performance doesn't matter"

Again with this? You are like talking to a wall. NO-ONE said performance matters. Let me spell this out very carefully AGAIN so it can sink in.

- Both platforms are plenty fast. It's not that performance doesn't matter, its that the performance DIFFERENCE doesn't matter. I have said this before, but apparently you cant grasp it... Saying the iPhone 5 is faster than a new Android with Snap800 is like saying "My Ferrari is faster than your Lamborghini". The difference inst important anymore. Both are WAY plenty fast.

"I have no problem talking about my problems with Apple products, nor do I have problems talking about the advantages of Android hardware."

Sure, no problems with it. You never do it, but you have no problems with it.

Whatever, this is getting old with you. It's like arguing with Tony. There is no give, no mindset that will ever change. Just dogma.


RE: A comparison
By Reclaimer77 on 9/24/2013 7:26:35 PM , Rating: 1
Dude I hate to tell you, but the war is over. Google won.

I remember you coming on here like JP Morgan, "circle jerking" over Apple's stock price every goddamn day. You and Tony with your $1k/per share predictions. What happened there?

Before that it was marketshare. Not only does the iPhone no longer rule, but even the iPad has been soundly dethroned by Android.

All you have left is profits. Yes, Apple makes tons of money, grats. But every single other metric that matters to the consumer, or indicates consumer choice, is owned by someone non-Apple.

quote:
Ah yes, ignoring performance that is as fast as a mobile Core 2 Duo from a few years ago


As fast at what, running x86 code? Umm no, this is a meaningless comparison with little relevance.

You can couch your arguments however you want, the world no longer cares. The iPhone, year after year, is slowly being pushed into a niche corner. If the iPhone and iOS was all that great, IT would have the commanding world-marketshare presence. Instead that goes to Android.

To quote Serenity, you're fighting a war you've already lost. It's over, Google won. Just accept it and move on.

Oh and Apple's plan of competing with Android by selling the Chinese a plastic phone with year-old guts? Not only is it insulting, but it's not working.


RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/24/2013 7:40:57 PM , Rating: 2
I know right. At this point these die hard defend Apple at all costs people are just laughable. I wonder if taken and Tony are hanging around with these people. More typical Apple fans.

http://www.slashgear.com/ios-7-waterproof-hoax-goe...


RE: A comparison
By Reclaimer77 on 9/24/2013 8:05:40 PM , Rating: 1
Holy shit that's the best thing I've seen all day! HAHAHA those retards!


RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/24/2013 8:17:23 PM , Rating: 2
It would be funny as hell if that info somehow went out to all iPhone users. I wonder how many millions would actually do it. LOL.


RE: A comparison
By Reclaimer77 on 9/24/2013 9:04:01 PM , Rating: 2
Yes but make the moral of the story: Water resistance doesn't "just work" at Apple, you need an Android phone for that.


RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/24/2013 10:00:46 PM , Rating: 2
Neither does DPI adjustment ;)


RE: A comparison
By TakinYourPoints on 9/25/2013 1:12:57 AM , Rating: 2
Won what, selling the most cheap phones to the third world?

High end handsets running Android are flat or declining YoY. GS4 sales barely budged over GS3 while their low end devices skyrocketed. You know what almost doubled in sales YoY? The iPhone. Other than that, LG, HTC, Moto, all their high end devices are down in the face of the Samsung juggernaut. Android growth is all in the low end.

But if you're proud of Android owning the low end, awesome!

quote:
I remember you coming on here like JP Morgan, "circle jerking" over Apple's stock price every goddamn day. You and Tony with your $1k/per share predictions. What happened there?


Since when did I ever talk about AAPL hitting $1k a share? You're either making things upor confusing me with someone.

I was selling call option spreads against Apple last summer, profiting on stagnation and a decline in price. I sold August 665/670, August 660/665, and September 710/715 calls spreads.

They were some of the best trades I made last year, 16%-20% returns in 4 weeks each! Try again dude.

And speaking of "circle jerking", its really cute seeing you and retro going back and forth over five posts.

Adorbs! :3


RE: A comparison
By w8gaming on 9/25/2013 3:35:49 AM , Rating: 2
Nothing wrong with owning the low end. Back in the days owning low end was all that Intel could do when competing with high end workstations like Sun. Look what happens now. Market share is important.


RE: A comparison
By Reclaimer77 on 9/25/2013 8:35:54 AM , Rating: 2
It's all he has left to cling to, you understand. He's clearly a typical snob elitist that gravitates to Apple, a community for typical snob elitists.

I've seen this play out a thousand times over the years with the Apple crowd. People like him NEED to believe the purchases they make and items they own are "superior" in order for him to get positive reinforcement, so he can feel better about himself.

His comment that Android is only for poor people who "can't afford" an iPhone is proof enough of that. Seriously, the narcissism and elitism involved in making that statement!

quote:
Look what happens now. Market share is important.


It's funny, but everyone else who's NOT a rabid Apple zealot see's PC vs MAC playing out all over again here with smartphones. Where Apple will retain high profit margins and be the single most profitable vendor, yet the ecosystem moves further and further into irrelevance as the market, as a whole, leaves them behind.


RE: A comparison
By TakinYourPoints on 9/25/2013 6:05:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
His comment that Android is only for poor people who "can't afford" an iPhone is proof enough of that.


I wasn't making a judgement call, this is what actual metrics are saying.

In the quarter the GS4 came out, Samsung's smartphone sales went up from 50 million to about 72 million YoY. In the same period their high end devices (GS4/GS3/GN2) only went up from 19 million to 23 million. This is all while Samsung is the biggest seller of high end Android devices, HTC/LG/Moto's high end devices are getting buried.

Aside from this, mobile internet traffic share for Android is still second place despite it being on 5x as many devices as iOS, developers still make way more on iOS and continue to target it first, Google still makes more mobile ad revenue from iOS than their own Android, and so on.

When I say that Android is mainly on cheap low end devices, I'm not making a judgement call, I'm just saying what is actually happening. The explosion in Android growth has demonstrably not increased its share in the high end.

quote:
People like him NEED to believe the purchases they make and items they own are "superior" in order for him to get positive reinforcement, so he can feel better about himself.


The only person here who makes irrational emotional arguments to positively affirm purchases is you. You go so far as to say that faster performance doesn't matter (ridiculous), that 50-100ms difference in response time is imperceptible (completely ridiculous), all kinds of stuff that would make the Iraqi Information Minister proud.

I know your excuse is that you're Italian, but you should use reality and metrics in your arguments instead of gut opinion and emotion.


RE: A comparison
By Reclaimer77 on 9/25/2013 6:54:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I know your excuse is that you're Italian


????

Wow, racist too! You're the total package aren't ya!? Vaffanculo!


RE: A comparison
By TakinYourPoints on 9/27/2013 2:21:41 AM , Rating: 2
Hey man, that's just the excuse you've used in the past. I have no explanation for why you fly off the handle so much so I'm just taking your word for it.


RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/27/2013 8:21:49 AM , Rating: 2
RE: A comparison
By TakinYourPoints on 9/25/2013 6:10:44 PM , Rating: 2
Bad example, Sun never made consumer devices. You might as well be talking about Silicon Graphics here.


RE: A comparison
By TakinYourPoints on 9/25/2013 1:29:51 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Oh and Apple's plan of competing with Android by selling the Chinese a plastic phone with year-old guts? Not only is it insulting, but it's not working.


The funny thing is that those year-old guts are still competitive with or faster than the latest Android hardware. What's that all about?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7340/the-iphone-5c-r...

As for a plan not working, we'll see. It isn't competing with the low end throwaway segment that 90%+ of Android runs on, but it doesn't seem to matter anyway. At 10 million+ units in under a week it seems to be doing just fine against hardware like the HTC One or GS4 that's about as fast.

Sales figures are a weird thing to be proud about anyway. I have a very high end PC and I don't care that my class of hardware is at .001% of desktops out there, or that it is far outnumbered by hundreds of millions of econoboxes and crap PCs.

I don't care that console sales far outsell PC sales either. Do you?

Its the same reason I don't care about Android's marketshare, especially when its high end device share is so small and that it is so secondary in support by developers.


RE: A comparison
By troysavary on 9/23/2013 7:15:01 PM , Rating: 1
I love how Fandroids try to pat themselves on the back all the time about how technically astute they are and how they are not teenaged girls and elderly. What exactly are you compensating for?


RE: A comparison
By retrospooty on 9/23/2013 7:56:19 PM , Rating: 3
I love how your last 5 posts have zero substance whatsoever, they are just attacking people who use Android. What are you compensating for?

This is a tech site and we often discuss the technical merits of platforms, and on that with regards to smartphones and tablets Android usually takes the prize in almost all categories. It's not perfect, and it's not for everyone. As soon as something else comes along to take that crown, Android gets dumped. It's not about fanboyism it's about the best tech you can get. You aren't even up to the debate on smart phones, tablets or computers in general so just stop trying, you aren't good at it


hi
By lexi222 on 9/23/13, Rating: -1
Church of Android
By wicktron on 9/23/13, Rating: -1
RE: Church of Android
By troysavary on 9/23/2013 7:19:48 PM , Rating: 2
Android fans get defensive all the time. They have some kind of weird simultaneous inferiority/superioty complex. It is fascinating. They feel the need to validate their purchase by staing that anyone who disagrees is either somehow mentally deficient or a woman. (Why that is bad, I don't know. I guess guys who never get any are misogynistic by nature)


RE: Church of Android
By Rukkian on 9/24/2013 1:50:20 PM , Rating: 2
Or they (we) are just sick of everybody trying to convert people to the church of jobs.

I don't like religious zealots, or cultists, whether they are peddling a higher power or a fruit.

I don't try to justify, as I know full well why I want the best phone for me. It may not be the best phone for everybody, and that is fine.


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