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AT&T iPhone 5 will support voice and data simultaneously

No matter how you feel about the iPhone 5 that was unveiled this week, it's an interesting smartphone to most people. However, we're learning that the phone can't support cellular data and voice calls at the same time on certain 4G LTE networks.
 
Specifically, the iPhone 5 will be unable to handle simultaneous voice and data use on Verizon Wireless and Sprint versions of the device. This is due to a limitation in the CDMA specification that those two networks use. However, some 4G LTE smartphones on the Verizon network will allow users to make voice calls and use data connectivity at the same time. The iPhone 5 is unable to do this due to design decisions that Apple made.
 
“The iPhone 5 is designed to allow customers to make voice calls on the Verizon Wireless network and surf the Web on Wi-Fi,” Verizon spokeswoman Brenda Raney said in an e-mail. “It was an Apple decision." 

 
The New York Times reports that when users place a voice call while connected to 4G LTE network the phone call the defaults to the carriers older second or third-generation networks because LTE networks can't support voice calls at this time.

The reason AT&T iPhone 5 buyers can place phone calls and use data at the same time is because both of those functions roll back to the older AT&T 3G network, which is capable handling both simultaneously. 

Sources: New York Times, AnandTech



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This Phone Fails.
By Reclaimer77 on 9/14/2012 9:25:53 AM , Rating: 3
So two years after everyone else has LTE standard and fully functioning, Apple finally joins the fray...

..and they can't even get THAT right.

Yes this phone will sell, yes no-life idiots will still camp outside to buy one, but this phone is beyond underwhelming. It fails, there's no innovation, not even a gimmick like Siri with the 4S launch, an equally underwhelming launch.

Once again Apple is content to rest on their laurels, maximize profit margins, and attempt to sue for protectionism victories instead of having to keep up with Samsung and others.




RE: This Phone Fails.
By topkill on 9/14/2012 9:34:43 AM , Rating: 2
Welcome to 2010 Apple! We are so glad you could join the retro party. Oh wait...LOL


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 9/14/2012 10:56:04 AM , Rating: 2
Yea, I doubt if anyone is really all that surprised by this. Apple has made some half-assed decisions in the past regarding the feature set of their devices, this is just par for the course.

Probably the most amusing part of this is that even on AT&T, it will drop you to 3G data while that 3G voice is running. It can't just drop voice to 3G and leave data at 4G.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Reclaimer77 on 9/14/2012 11:01:05 AM , Rating: 2
But remember, it "just works"!


RE: This Phone Fails.
By retrospooty on 9/14/2012 12:30:41 PM , Rating: 2
Well, to be fair, the features it includes do "just work". Its the things it's missing and the puny non-HD screen that loses it for me.

Hey, add another thing to the Apple copied Android list with Panoramic photos for the camera. Larger Screen and 4G.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By kwrzesien on 9/14/2012 1:37:06 PM , Rating: 2
Well, to be complete, THERE IS NO 4G VOICE in the world yet. Period. So who went off and designed a "4th Generation" cellular network without including f* voice? This fail happened long before Apple, and when the network is corrected then the iPhone will take advantage of it.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Chaser on 9/14/2012 2:03:05 PM , Rating: 2
I think you got this backwards oh complete one. If you are on LTE data and you make a call the iPhone drops the DATA connection to 3G.

How's that for your world of phones? Don't worry it will only matter after Apple fixes or adopts this minor feature.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Schadenfroh on 9/14/2012 10:12:27 AM , Rating: 2
What I love about Apple's impressive PR machine is that many media outlets are hyping up the iPhone 5's 4G / LTE capabilities like it is the first phone ever to support it...


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Reclaimer77 on 9/14/2012 11:29:40 AM , Rating: 2
Well as far as they are concerned, it is. 4G LTE is a brand new concept to the Apple camp. They aren't aware of much of the outside world you know.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/14/2012 11:35:29 AM , Rating: 2
You just set off the Tony Swash alarm. Thanks a lot, jerk!

;)


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Samus on 9/14/2012 2:09:22 PM , Rating: 2
Just have to wait for the iPhone 5S to fix all the problems, like they did with the 4S to the 4's "deathgrip/your holding it wrong" antenna design.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Dr of crap on 9/14/2012 10:23:21 AM , Rating: 2
But you forget that the PR machine has made ANY Apple product a must have. So it matters not that there isn't a good reason to get this new phone, it will sell. that's all that matters.

And maybe I'm in the minority but a bigger screen? It won't fit in my pocket very well. Of course the ones buying this the most probably have their pants hanging off their a$$ anyway so it doesn't matter! Guess that's why I don't have a iphone yet!


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/14/2012 10:50:19 AM , Rating: 2
My S3 fits just fine in my pockets...


RE: This Phone Fails.
By StevoLincolnite on 9/14/2012 12:03:12 PM , Rating: 2
Helps if you don't follow the whole "in fashion" skinny jeans.

Personally, I find large screened phones better for watching movies and reading lots of webpage text, plus they fit better in my gorilla hands. :)

It's also good for the old farts whose eyes just aren't what they used to be either.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Schadenfroh on 9/16/2012 1:19:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It won't fit in my pocket very well.

It will fit in purses quite well. Apple needs to popularize the Man Bag so both genders can carry this item.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Apone on 9/14/2012 12:19:21 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
So two years after everyone else has LTE standard and fully functioning, Apple finally joins the fray... ..and they can't even get THAT right.


Yeah I agree adding 4G/LTE to a phone is so 2010, but Apple knows its customer base and whether the technology updates are marginal or revolutionary, they know Apple fans will gobble this stuff up blindly for the sake of upgrading.

Me personally, I would rather take cell phone network reliability, consistency, and call quality over simultaneous voice & data communication which I don't even do.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Tony Swash on 9/14/12, Rating: -1
RE: This Phone Fails.
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/14/2012 1:00:08 PM , Rating: 4
Meanwhile in the real world, you are still an iDildo...


RE: This Phone Fails.
By anactoraaron on 9/14/2012 1:03:54 PM , Rating: 2
Funny article labeled as "opinion". Worth a laugh.

I can sell out pre-orders and hype it through the media but how many units were available for pre-order anyway?

#pathnotfound

Sure they sold out all 100 units available for pre-order.

Big Deal.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Tony Swash on 9/14/2012 1:21:19 PM , Rating: 3
I know, the thought that it is absolutely certain that the iPhone 5 is going to sell faster and in bigger numbers than the iPhone 4s send a dark cold chill into your heart. But pretending it's not going to happen won't change anything, it will just make your inevitable encounter with reality even more painful.

For an adult estimation of iPhone launch sales figures try looking here

http://www.asymco.com/2012/09/13/how-many-iphone-5...

Meanwhile Apple's Lightning port adaptors sell out.....

http://www.businessinsider.com/apples-new-cord-sel...


RE: This Phone Fails.
By anactoraaron on 9/14/2012 1:39:57 PM , Rating: 3
Wow you are a sleezy individual. I say "the sky is blue" and you respond with "no, the clouds are still there." Talking to you is like talking to a damned politician. So how many orders has Apple taken in pre-orders? 100? 1000? 10000? Nobody the f--- knows. That was my point. No chills in my heart are needed here please. It's just a phone.

I point is that Apple manipulates these "sell outs" for pre-orders. How do I know this? Simple. They never release the amount of said pre-orders. This is just for more hype on a lame-duck product to convince the simple-minded masses to purchase one.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Tony Swash on 9/14/2012 1:54:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I point is that Apple manipulates these "sell outs" for pre-orders. How do I know this? Simple. They never release the amount of said pre-orders. This is just for more hype on a lame-duck product to convince the simple-minded masses to purchase one.


My response is that you are talking out of your ass. Apple doesn't have to manipulate anything, this product has sold out because of unprecedentedly high demand. I go along with Horace at Aysymco and think his projection of around 6 million iPhones sold for the launch weekend is sound.

This phone is already a monster hit.

The iPhone 5 will be the most successful handset to date.

Get over it.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By momorere on 9/14/2012 2:01:04 PM , Rating: 2
Myself along with ALOT of others on this site, see you as a PR tard for crApple. I think it is about time you get doxed. We shall find out the truth once and for all. I mean we already know but just to be 1,000% sure.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Tony Swash on 9/14/2012 3:11:38 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
We shall find out the truth once and for all. I mean we already know but just to be 1,000% sure.


Is that you outside my house with a camera?! You tracked me down you dastardly devil.

Grow up - only a fragile prick thinks that people will only disagree with them if they are paid to do so. What a nob.

By the way is 1000% sure really, really more sure than your boring old 100% sure?


RE: This Phone Fails.
By retrospooty on 9/14/2012 3:24:18 PM , Rating: 1
"Grow up - only a fragile prick thinks that people will only disagree with them if they are paid to do so. What a nob."

I actually dont think you work for Apple. I think you are the even more scary version... A rabid fanboy that just loves the company so freegin much that you cant stand to see anyone with a differing opinion. You love it so much that you feel compelled to go online in your spare time and defend every move they make and every product they release. Seriously. What does any company do that deserves such a devotion? None, and certainly not Apple. I'd rather you were a paid shill, at least that would be understandable. What you are now is just a ridiculous joke. Cant you find anything better to do?

"Hi my name is Tony, and my hobby are going online and defending Apple against any and all nay sayers" Doesnt that strike you as pathetic? Bacause it strikes the rest of us that way.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By anactoraaron on 9/14/2012 2:12:16 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
My response is that you are talking out of your ass.


Funny, after reading your comments this is what EVERYONE thinks you do.

quote:
Get over it.


Great advise for you to follow. Proof that even you don't listen to yourself talk (out of your ass).


RE: This Phone Fails.
By anactoraaron on 9/14/2012 2:25:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I go along with Horace at Aysymco and think his projection of around 6 million iPhones sold for the launch weekend is sound.


Funny how you 'magically' know the HIGHEST analyst projection for iPhone 5 sales. You must indeed work for Apple PR.

But doing some math... iPhone 5 pre-orders sold out in one hour. iPhone 4s pre-orders sold out in 20 hours and actual sales from those pre-orders was 4 million. So doing the math... 4 million divided by 20 hours = 200,000 units. So I will guess that they had 250,000 units for sale on the high end. I can actually believe that this quantity will sell out in an hour.

There's a ton of rumors that Apple has short supply - rightfully so considering the new silicon dual core cortex A15's inside. The inclusion of the A15's actually surprised many of the 'Apple' folks across the interwebs. There's just no way that Apple can have millions of these devices powered by such a new chip. No Way.

Now that you are clearly the only one talking out of you ass, you can post whatever Apple tells you to in response to my post.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Tony Swash on 9/14/2012 3:20:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Funny how you 'magically' know the HIGHEST analyst projection for iPhone 5 sales. You must indeed work for Apple PR.


Meanwhile in the real world AllThings D offers a first week sales estimate for the iPhone 5 of 10 million.

When you are in a hole stop digging. There is abundant evidence of higher demand for this iPhone than previous iPhones and zero evidence that Apple artificially restrains supply in order to create 'sold out' hype that it doesn't need. However much you try to dance around it the iPhone 5 will be the most successful phone launch, and maybe the most successful product launch ever. The only thing that will beat the iPhone 5 in terms of numbers or speed of units sold will be the iPhone 6 next year.

I repeat only a preening puffed up fool thinks that the only people who disagree with him are those paid to do so. I disagree with you because you are wrong: I hope that doesn't crush your ego too much.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By momorere on 9/14/2012 3:34:26 PM , Rating: 2
Not everyone bases their "facts" on estimates like you. Hell anyone can estimate everything about anything. I estimate that 99.9% of crApple users are complete retards. Although that is a VERY conservative estimation but more than likely 100% fact. See how easy it is to estimate ?


RE: This Phone Fails.
By anactoraaron on 9/14/2012 3:37:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Meanwhile in the real world AllThings D offers a first week sales estimate for the iPhone 5 of 10 million.


FAIL. I clearly stated
quote:
HIGHEST analyst projection
and not apple lover's website prediction.

quote:
zero evidence that Apple artificially restrains supply in order to create 'sold out' hype


Must have hit a nerve there for you. Care to prove your point? No? Didn't think so. I clearly gave my evidence as to why I believe Apple manipulates the amount of devices to create hype for their newest product. Something you can't do... as your opinions lack any form of logic.

quote:
When you are in a hole stop digging.


Looks like you need to jump back in your hole then.
quote:
I hope that doesn't crush your ego too much.

Couldn't have said that any better.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By themaster08 on 9/15/2012 2:59:15 AM , Rating: 2
RE: This Phone Fails.
By chripuck on 9/14/2012 3:20:26 PM , Rating: 5
Who are you? Granted I don't come here often, but good lord man it's just a phone and Apple is just another heartless corporation out for your money.

Seriously, why do you care so much if Apple's latest phone is "so awesome." Do you get some sort of self-gratification out of it? **Boggled**

On the tune of the majority being mindless sheep, anyone seen the Kimmel bit where he takes a 4S into the street and tells everyone it's the new 5? Classic.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Dr of crap on 9/14/2012 3:10:59 PM , Rating: 1
And that menas WHAT exactly?
Just because you sell the most doesn't mean your the best.

As examples -
VHS vs Beta - Beta was the best option but VHS sold more


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/14/2012 3:15:48 PM , Rating: 2
It means, it's a standard Tony IDouche response. Better off just to ignore it.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Reclaimer77 on 9/14/2012 3:39:44 PM , Rating: 1
Using TonyLogic (tm) McDonald's has the best hamburgers and eats in the world.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By retrospooty on 9/14/2012 3:49:37 PM , Rating: 2
This about says it all.

IOS6 = http://i.imgur.com/N3AHb.jpg

Android4.1 = http://i.imgur.com/COrlN.jpg


RE: This Phone Fails.
By Reclaimer77 on 9/14/2012 4:51:45 PM , Rating: 2
lol Retro! Brilliant man.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By retrospooty on 9/14/2012 5:54:24 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, yes its a very handsome family.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By nocturne_81 on 9/15/2012 3:38:57 PM , Rating: 2
Good job, Tony.. You just proved our point for us.


RE: This Phone Fails.
By croc on 9/15/2012 8:35:36 PM , Rating: 2
Your useful lifespan as an Apple troll is about over. You can now barely get a -0- rating, almost no come-backs. You need to do a Pirks or risk becoming as irrelevant as a newspaper.

Cook is watching, you know, and your next performance review is coming up. Sucks to be you, eh???


RE: This Phone Fails.
By TakinYourPoints on 9/15/2012 6:20:59 PM , Rating: 2
LTE in a phone up until a few months ago meant either no battery life (which was the bulk of Android LTE phones), or using a massive battery which meant making the phones huge (which as a side effect brought about larger displays).

Qualcomm's 28nm LTE chips changed all that, now you can finally get good battery life out of something as small as an iPhone. The alternative solutions would have been to make it omgXBoxhuge, or to have under half the battery life of the prior gen iPhone. Both solutions are bad.

Now they reduced the size of the phone without compromising battery life at all, even when keeping LTE turned on. It isn't rocket science as to why they waited.


And yet ...
By danjw1 on 9/14/2012 11:39:38 AM , Rating: 2
And yet, the iPhone 5 pre-orders have sold out.




RE: And yet ...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/14/2012 11:42:10 AM , Rating: 1
I was up at 3 AM EST pre-ordering one for my wife. She loves her iPhone, so I can't deny her. Besides, she's been getting my leftovers for years -- she got my old iPhone 3GS and my old iPhone 4.

So I'm made things right by getting her a 16GB iPhone 5 ;)


RE: And yet ...
By Dr of crap on 9/14/2012 4:23:17 PM , Rating: 2
Do bad for you - it's just a phone.
I'm not standing in line, or getting up early, or waiting online to get a phone!

I have better things to do! And for the record I have not stood in line for any gadget, or tickets, or movie. I don't need to be first.


RE: And yet ...
By xti on 9/14/2012 11:44:32 AM , Rating: 2
sick. was about to put my pre-order in.


RE: And yet ...
By StevoLincolnite on 9/14/2012 12:12:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And yet, the iPhone 5 pre-orders have sold out.


My underwear pre-orders have sold out too, with a whole 1 customer, i.e me.

/end sarcasm.


RE: And yet ...
By retrospooty on 9/14/2012 12:35:18 PM , Rating: 2
"And yet, the iPhone 5 pre-orders have sold out."

Not surprising, Apple has made an art of preying off of the uninformed... There are alot of ignorant people in the world. They far outnumber the rest of us.

- Just think how stupid the average person is.... Now think, half of everyone is even stupider than that guy. - George Carlin


RE: And yet ...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/14/2012 12:41:03 PM , Rating: 4
I think that's being a bit harsh. Some people just may prefer the iPhone.

The Toyota Camry is the best selling car in America. It damn sure isn't the best car in its class, and it isn't even the best value. But it's a decent car with a certain reputation.

I personally wouldn't buy one, but who am I to judge what someone purchases with their own hard-earned money... let alone call them stupid?


RE: And yet ...
By Reclaimer77 on 9/14/2012 12:49:58 PM , Rating: 2
If the Camry costs 1/3rd more than everything out there, and Toyota marketed it like it was the Holy Grail of the automotive world, that analogy would have worked better.

quote:
I think that's being a bit harsh. Some people just may prefer the iPhone.


Well yes, stupid uninformed people :)


RE: And yet ...
By retrospooty on 9/14/2012 12:52:09 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe for some, but Jason's post above outlines what happens alot.


RE: And yet ...
By Chaser on 9/14/2012 2:52:58 PM , Rating: 2
iPhone purchasers have never been known to be tech savoy shoppers comparing the competition. And in this case as the tech press has noted, this iteration is a major let down. But that being said they'll be plenty camped outside waiting for these. And in light of the competition for a highly anticipated tech device, they ARE stupid. And the preorderer even more. Especially now. This is hilarious.

And pls no car analogies. Especially this one which is completely flawed.


RE: And yet ...
By chripuck on 9/14/2012 3:24:34 PM , Rating: 2
Brandon, how can you not call these people "stupid."

Some of them are flat out gushing over the new features they read about on CNN.com when they are looking at a 4S the entire time! They don't even get the fact that the darn screen is the same size...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4

Note: I own an iPhone and have for 5 years, but so does most everyone in my family and yes, they are quite stupid when it comes to technology.


RE: And yet ...
By TakinYourPoints on 9/15/2012 6:10:55 PM , Rating: 2
Ah yes, all those people buying the fastest, best supported, #1 mobile target development platform in the world.

Those poor fools!


RE: And yet ...
By retrospooty on 9/15/2012 6:33:30 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, those are the people... The ones who trade off smaller screens, lower res, non HD screen, better OS, better UI, better and faster voice search, flexibility in OS, and hardware, SD card, micro USB, detect as USB flash drive, removable batteries, simultaneous talk and data on CDMA, better GPS/NAv - for slightly better app support. LOL. And they think they are paying for the best feature set LOL.

Like I said - Apple has made an art of preying off of the uninformed... You gotta respect thier business model, just not the products.


RE: And yet ...
By anactoraaron on 9/14/2012 3:55:37 PM , Rating: 2
By my math... iPhone 5 pre-orders sold out in one hour. iPhone 4s pre-orders sold out in 20 hours and actual sales from those pre-orders was 4 million. So doing the math... 4 million divided by 20 hours = 200,000 units per hour. So I will guess that they had 250,000 units for sale on the high end. I can actually believe that this quantity will sell out in an hour.

There's a ton of rumors that Apple has short supply - rightfully so considering the new silicon dual core cortex A15's inside. The inclusion of the A15's actually surprised many of the 'Apple' folks across the interwebs. Many Apple fans thought there would be A9's or quad A9's given the quantities needed for the iPhone 5. There's just no way that Apple can have millions of these devices already made powered by such a new chip. No Way.


RE: And yet ...
By TakinYourPoints on 9/15/2012 6:15:24 PM , Rating: 2
And they didn't!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6292/iphone-5-a6-not...

Custom Apple SoC. People expected that the only way they could have squeezed that level of performance combined with that battery life and reduced core size was with the Cortex A15. Nobody, Anand included, considered that this could have been custom.

In hindsight this makes sense. I didn't think that Apple could get the volume of A15s that they needed at this time, and obviously they couldn't so they went off with their own optimized version of existing architectures.


does this mean...
By xti on 9/14/2012 10:19:26 AM , Rating: 2
so, in a real world situation, that while someone is on a call, they cant receive emails in the background? the emails would resume downloading after the call is done?




RE: does this mean...
By nafhan on 9/14/2012 10:32:15 AM , Rating: 2
The email thing doesn't sound like a big deal the way you described it, but a more problematic scenario would be talking on speakerphone/headset with the person sending the email. On Verizon/Sprint, with the new iPhone, you would have to hang up, wait a minute a two, and then call the person back to review the email with them.

Another more likely scenario is getting a phone call while using your phone as a wifi hotspot. If you were using your phone as a hotspot and someone called, you would lose the your laptop/tablet would lose it's internet connection.

Obviously, neither scenario would be the end of the world, but could be pretty annoying, especially in a situation where you were in a conference call or something.


RE: does this mean...
By ritualm on 9/14/2012 10:40:14 AM , Rating: 2
Because of the way the iPhone's antenna was set up since the CDMA version of iP4 (and carried over to the 4S and now 5), iP5 cannot use one antenna for voice and the other for data at the same time. It's either one antenna or the other.

They're outta luck unless Apple changes the setup to allow using both antennas simultaneously.

Think of most Apple products in the similar sense as Intel's tick-tock cadence: don't buy the tick version unless you're aware what you're getting into, because the tock will have most of the tick's bugs ironed out.


RE: does this mean...
By smackababy on 9/14/2012 10:53:22 AM , Rating: 2
I thought the iPhone used both antennas to maintain better signal, rather than one or the other.


RE: does this mean...
By TakinYourPoints on 9/14/2012 11:21:34 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, but a third antenna would have been needed based on the Anandtech article.

quote:
What it really boils down to is that by using this single Tx chain, Apple is able to support a ton of LTE bands (more space for PAs and fewer transceiver ports used on SVLTE for CDMA networks) and also do it without making the iPhone very large. Moving to an architecture that works with SVDO and SVLTE would require an additional transmit path and antenna, and incur a size and weight penalty.


Allowing simultaneous voice/data on Verizon/Sprint would have resulted in increasing the size of the phone.


RE: does this mean...
By Reclaimer77 on 9/14/2012 11:25:49 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Allowing simultaneous voice/data on Verizon/Sprint would have resulted in increasing the size of the phone.


So what? Your point? Sacrificing good functionality for the refusal to compromise on styling and design isn't a good excuse.


RE: does this mean...
By Dr of crap on 9/14/2012 12:08:19 PM , Rating: 2
Size and weight????
I think another few mm can be found on the circuit board, and a few micrograms in weight - really?


RE: does this mean...
By Reclaimer77 on 9/14/2012 12:39:39 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah lol, but it's Takin what can you expect? He'll say anything to defend Apple.


RE: does this mean...
By TakinYourPoints on 9/14/2012 1:52:35 PM , Rating: 2
How is it a defense? I was simply explaining via the Anandtech article why they didn't do it. Whether or not that affects someone's buying decision is up to the individual.

You're always so mad.


RE: does this mean...
By themaster08 on 9/16/2012 2:20:37 AM , Rating: 2
I agree that Reclaimer can get pretty mad at times, but there's a perfectly valid point at hand here.

Apple is cleary sacrificing functionality for form. Would anyone have cared if the device was a few mm thicker? It's already an extremely thin device. Or perhaps it's a case that Apple need this, NFC and other missing features to include as their revolutionary changes in their next uninspired device.

Let's get real here. What are the main changes from the 4S...
Slight change in design, making it thinner and lighter.
A larger screen (Which I personally think looks too long, however I understand their reasoning)
Increased performance
LTE

All of these are incremental changes that would be expected, apart from it being thinner and lighter, which is fairly impressive. But where's the WOW factor? The 4S was an incremental change from its predecessor, so Apple have had virtually 2 years to release something new. I personally think the iPhone 5 is a great looking device, and from the quick look videos I've seen, it's an extremely fast device as well. I just don't think it deserves the attention its received, because there's nothing that wasn't expected.

Now compare that to other iteration releases from other manufacturers, such as the Galaxy S2 - Galaxy S3, or the Lumia 900 - Lumia 920. The differences are much more significant, and much more compelling to upgrade from their predecessors.

If Apple had released the Lumia 920 it would have been touted as the second coming. But because it's a Nokia phone, its announcement is pushed to the sidelines to make way for what is, in my opinion, a much inferior device (Don't get started about the ecosystem. I'm talking about the devices themselves).


RE: does this mean...
By jbeenemd on 9/14/2012 11:54:31 AM , Rating: 2
I don't get it. They had a whole year to redesign their next phone to prevent people from "holding it wrong" and still did not get it right!!!


But it has the bigger GBs
By dark matter on 9/14/2012 9:29:45 AM , Rating: 2
An no even more retina.

Who cares. I'm buying 10.




RE: But it has the bigger GBs
By JasonMick (blog) on 9/14/2012 10:44:10 AM , Rating: 5
Employee: Welcome to Phonemart how can I help you?

Fan: iPhone 5, where is the iPhone 5? I need an iPhone 5.

Employee: Oh, I'm sorry we are currently sold out... however we did get some new Galaxy S IIIs in.

Fan: What is that? Is it an iPhone?

Employee: No it's that LTE Android on every major carrier.

Fan: If it's not an iPhone, why would I want it?

Employee: Well it's similar to the iPhone 5, but has a bigger screen -- in fact the iPhone 5's screen was made larger in an effort to catch up.

Fan: I don't care.

Employee: It can do simultaneous voice and data.

Fan: I don't care.

Employee: It has NFC, swappable storage, and third party app stores.

Fan: I don't care.

Employee: It has a more vibrant and modern interface, which will soon be upgraded to Jelly Bean, which has voice command support that beats Siri in independent testing.

Fan: I don't care.

Employee: It has widgets and video wallpaper.

Fan: I don't care.

Employee: It f---ng prints money.

Fan: I don't care.

Employee: It can grant up to three wishes, even if one of those wishes is for an iPhone.

Fan: I don't care.

Employee: It has an app that builds you an island and then it can transform into a f---ng jet and transport you there.

Fan: I don't care.

Employee: ...and it's mother-f---ng indestructible.

Fan: I don't care.

Employee: Fine then what hell entices you about the iPhone 5, if you don't mind me asking?

Fan: It is an iPhone.

Employee: You do realize that doesn't mean anything? It's a brand. They could put out a f---ng brick and call it an iPhone.

Fan: Yes, but it's the best phone.

Employee: Can you explain how?

Fan: I can download apps to it.

Employee: Big f---ng deal my eight year-old piece of s--t Boost mobile phone has apps on it.

Fan: It's 4G and has the Wi-Fis

Employee: What the f--k do you even know what that even mean???

Fan: Um I ... it can ... um.

Employee: Listen, I'm out of the god d--n iPhone anyways. I guess if you're fine using s---ty ass networks and don't mind paying out the ass for the plan and the phone, and also don't mind don't having a brand new phone that's already behind the curve I can put you on our reservations list.

Fan: No I will just try somewhere else. I have to have it today.


RE: But it has the bigger GBs
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 9/14/2012 10:50:57 AM , Rating: 2
Yea, just the recap of this bad boy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg

Such a classic and it seems to really show how stupid most Apple customers are.


RE: But it has the bigger GBs
By kattanna on 9/14/2012 11:17:12 AM , Rating: 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

watch this one. jimmy kimmel showing off the new iphone 5 to people.. when it really is the 4s

simply awesome


By StevoLincolnite on 9/14/2012 12:11:06 PM , Rating: 2
Classic.

Microsoft did the same thing with Vista to trick people into thinking it was a new Operating system and people actually liked it.

Fact of the matter is, your average joe knows absolutely squat about technology in general and will just follow the crowd.


RE: But it has the bigger GBs
By Motoman on 9/14/2012 11:51:39 AM , Rating: 1
It's spot-on.

If you're an Apple consumer, you really are that stupid.

Stop whining and trying to deny it. You're f%cking stupid, and there's no way out of it.


RE: But it has the bigger GBs
By chripuck on 9/14/2012 3:27:51 PM , Rating: 2
Well it's not fair to call everyone that uses an iPhone stupid, I have one and have had one for 5 years. I've tried switching to Android but I can't find a phone that's actually quality enough for my liking. The Galaxy S II had a hell of a time connecting to my AP when every iPhone I've ever had had zero problems.


By TakinYourPoints on 9/15/2012 4:28:06 AM , Rating: 2
Says the loony who sells his customers inferior AMD computers because he believes Intel is "evil"


O if only Steve Jobs were here
By XZerg on 9/14/2012 1:03:16 PM , Rating: 2
You are doing it wrong!

You shouldn't be only using WIFI for data when calling someone - it's faster and magically that way.

Mixing two different speeds for data and voice simultaneously will overload the carrier network and drain out your battery so for your best experience iCrap will switch to one speed which is magically better than the standard speed.




RE: O if only Steve Jobs were here
By Dave T on 9/14/2012 1:10:33 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I'm glad you guys are having such a good time, but if you think people buy iPhones because they're stupid and brainwashed, you really have no idea what's going on, do you Mr. Jones?


RE: O if only Steve Jobs were here
By XZerg on 9/14/2012 2:57:49 PM , Rating: 2
No i don't think people who buy Apple products are stupid and brainwashed. Apple manufactures some of the best quality products and provide one of the best services to their customers as well. However, majority of the customer base, potentially targeted, are those who have no clue of the actual technologies and workings in the product and buy them only for the "status" purpose. Like some of the video links posted above, the reason why most people pick on Apple product users is because most don't realize that the product that they have does what they want to do just fine and beyond, and insist that they know better and MUST have the latest Apple product as they are somehow more magical.

A co-worker at work has a lot of Apple products and he actually uses them the proper way - utilizes all the technologies to simplify his home computing needs - from raided backups to htpc/streaming to work use. Those can be done on PC realm too but requires a lot of tinkering with many different software providers instead of out of the box experience with Apple products. He actually managed to put together all those technologies to just have an awesome setup which would take even an advance Wintel PC user a ton of time to put together, and yet still have to fiddle more even after.

I have even recommended few people to go out there and buy Apple products due to their simplicity for what most end-users need. This is not same with Microsoft world but that's like comparing apple to orange as I feel Microsoft is stuck having to support a quadrillion configuration and due to anti-trust bullocks can't have built in software for out-of-box experience. Apple has to only miniscule number of configurations and can easily decide to drop support for them which again is not something Microsoft can do easily without the business world's backlash.

I am fine with spending time playing with all these different software products and messing with hardware to have more flexibility overall computer to what Apple products tend to have. But I really hope that there is a simplified platform with basic standard protocols setup on Wintel world for an out-of-box experience regardless of the configuration the system has.

I can post more detail on out-of-box experience but rather not for now.


RE: O if only Steve Jobs were here
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/14/2012 3:02:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
He actually managed to put together all those technologies to just have an awesome setup which would take even an advance Wintel PC user a ton of time to put together, and yet still have to fiddle more even after .
Um..no...LOL


RE: O if only Steve Jobs were here
By XZerg on 9/14/2012 4:15:19 PM , Rating: 2
really? do enlighten me how and what you use.


RE: O if only Steve Jobs were here
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/14/2012 4:18:30 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, really, if anyone is experienced, it isn't going to take long. As for what I use? I don't do raid anymore, but usually, I would hook up 2-4 drives in my PC, turn on RAID in the BIOS or use an separate card, install a driver and it's done. Not that hard really....


RE: O if only Steve Jobs were here
By XZerg on 9/14/2012 4:48:53 PM , Rating: 2
ah... what about rest of the software configuration to get the network backups, versioning, streaming for htpc? Not quite that simple, now is it?


RE: O if only Steve Jobs were here
By moriz on 9/15/2012 9:15:12 PM , Rating: 2
all of those features are built right into windows 7, so setting it up is just as easy no matter which operating system you use. i'd personally pick windows 7 because the overall cost is cheaper, and allows me freedom in choosing my own hardware.

as for HTPC streaming, it's handled directly by windows media player.


Trivial
By EnzoFX on 9/14/2012 1:14:34 PM , Rating: 3
Never seen something so trivial get so blown out of proportion, by people who already had no interest in buying it. It's like wow, this phone has a trivial drawback! What phone doesn't. I'd take this one over any phone out currently, even though there are some Android and WP7/8 phones I think are on par in overall experience. If I were going with CDMA that is.




RE: Trivial
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/14/2012 1:22:29 PM , Rating: 1
Not quite trivial. I've often found myself needing to access the internet when talking on the phone. Be it to look up an email, or look for directions, or browse to a webpage while I have the person on speaker.

Not to mention if you're tethering your phone to laptop/tablet and a call comes in you. You're screwed until the call ends.

I wouldn't so quickly dismiss the feature as trivial.


RE: Trivial
By EnzoFX on 9/14/2012 9:33:56 PM , Rating: 2
The point is that it's that much more trivial for people on here who supposedly want to have nothing to do with Apple.


Can't believe the hate
By Dug on 9/14/2012 3:28:04 PM , Rating: 2
They have a new phone out that is better than the last one.
It may not do something another phone does, but that goes both ways.
There's tons of Android phones that don't do what the iphone 5 does. So what?!

Personally speaking as an IT admin at our company, we have had zero problems with iphone demployment. It's easilly configured with what we want from OS X server. We set up Exchange email, preferences, vpn, apps, contacts, calendar, and messages easily. We can remote wipe if one is lost and redeploy another one within minutes.

Android on the other hand is riddled with problems depending on the model. I would say now that some of the newer Android phones are catching up with ics it will be better, but the past has been horrendous with vpn, battery life, lock ups, exchange syncing, etc. Plus because of fragmentation, you can't easily manage them.

But to call people stupid for getting one because it works for them or because its missing one feature is ignorant.
It's just phone. Do you try to ridicule people for the car they buy, or where they live, or what stove they bought? Probably not, but its just as ridiculous.




RE: Can't believe the hate
By semiconshawn on 9/14/2012 4:32:14 PM , Rating: 2
Your logic fails up against the waaaah waaaaah Apple sucks Android rules arguments.


RE: Can't believe the hate
By TakinYourPoints on 9/15/2012 6:22:38 PM , Rating: 2
Your well reasoned and thoughtful posts have no place here.


Take a deep breathe and take a look
By Realist1986 on 9/18/2012 8:12:32 PM , Rating: 2
First of all the article itself fails to explain why AT&T's LTE Network is capable of data and voice at the same time. You state that it is because the 3G network did it, which is not an adequate explanation. AT&T's 3G and the LTE network evolved from a GSM/UMTS network which is other than CDMA a more widely used mobile communications standard and consists of additional/higher specifications and co existed with GSM. Voice over GSM data over UMTS.

No other countries than the U.S., Canada and Mexico actually run CDMA networks for mobile communications. It seems like this is a valid business decision on Apples side. It might have been Apples decision not to fort the cost in further developing a technology on a standard that is not really used anywhere else but it was Verizon's and Sprint's to choose CDMA.

About the LTE Standard fully functioning!? That's an overstatement. No carrier in the world has yet commercially reached or offered the theoretical max speed defined in the actual LTE specification/standard.

What AT&T & Verizon call 3G and 4G and what Sprint calls 3G and 4G are entirely different things and how every phone reacts within those networks does not just depend on the carrier and the phone manufacturer (or Apple's choices)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolut...

http://www.macworld.com/article/2000514/three-minu...




By Sha52 on 9/25/2012 10:53:57 AM , Rating: 2
It's Apple's fault. They decided not to put a third antenna in the iPhone 5 because they wanted to reduce manufacturing costs associated with making custom CDMA phones for Sprint and Verizon. The third antenna enables simultaneous talk and surf on all the 4G LTE Android phones for Sprint and Verizon. So Apple crippled their CDMA iPhone 5 to increase its profit margin. Talk about a crippled bad-quality phone. Apple is now a hypocrite because it used to run commercial on TV to mock Verizon's network for not having this feature. So now HTC and Samsung should return the favor with the same type of commercials Apple and AT&T used to make. If you want to tell Apple about how unhappy you are about the lack of this feature, write to them at www.apple.com/feedback


Don't worry Apple PR...
By Newspapercrane on 9/14/2012 10:52:49 AM , Rating: 3
This is going to be blamed on the CDMA carriers... because you know... no other phone on Verizon or Sprint can use the data and make phone calls at the same time either.




By Chaser on 9/14/2012 2:14:53 PM , Rating: 2
Samsung or AT&T even? :)

There's a sucker born every minute. I'll be cracking up when I see people with an iPhone 5 :)




CDMA iPhone is crippled!
By Sha52 on 9/25/2012 10:19:38 AM , Rating: 2
Apple: You have no excuse this time for creating crippled CDMA iPhone 5. Apple, you should have made the screen wider to leave room for a third antenna that enables simultaneous talk and surf. Suppose mapping system needs to re-route at a critical road and user receives an important call.

Should the user have to struggle to decide about answering the call and thus cutting off the data from the map and thus get lost or reject an important call and let the mapping app do its job by staying connected to data? And there are many other examples of the lack of simultaneous talk and surf. So many new buyers will be disappointed to find out that their iPhone 5's will not have simultaneous talk and surf.

Apple, didn’t you and AT&T use to make commercials mocking Verizon for not having simultaneous talk and surf? So now, HTC and Samsung must pay you back with the same mockery to point out your products major and fatal weakness! You never adapted the iPhone well for the CDMA ecosystem. Ahh! I am sick and tired of waiting for Apple to catch up to make the iPhone with this killer feature. I will just stay with Android!




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