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IPhone unlocker... or terrorist and drug dealer?? Apple claims that iPhone unlocking aids drug dealers and terrorist and could threaten America's cell phone users. It is urging the U.S. government to make it illegal and punishable. The EFF calls these claims FUD.  (Source: purplera1n.com)
Apple says terrorists could use iPhones to attack cell phone towers

Apple has tried everything to stop iPhone unlockers.  Bricking iPhones didn't work -- it just generated more headaches and bad PR.  Apple's internal protection technology turned out to be just as weak and poorly implemented as its consumer security on the iPhone -- the hackers quickly overcame the latest protections Apple threw at them.  Now with its shiny new iPhone 3G S becoming yet the latest handset to be freed, Apple has turned to none other than the U.S. government for help.

The company has submit a report to the U.S. Copyright Office suggesting that iPhone unlocking be outlawed (and jailbreaking from the AT&T network, essentially as well as it would be impossible without unlocking) as Apple claims it threatens cell phone towers across America.  Apple claims that unlocking the iPhone provides easy access to the iPhone’s BBP — the “baseband processor” software, which enables a connection to cell phone towers.

According to Apple, the BBP could then be exploited by "a local or international hacker could potentially initiate commands (such as a denial of service attack) that could crash the tower software, rendering the tower entirely inoperable to process calls or transmit data."

States Apple, "Taking control of the BBP software would be much the equivalent of getting inside the firewall of a corporate computer — to potentially catastrophic result.  The technological protection measures were designed into the iPhone precisely to prevent these kinds of pernicious activities, and if granted, the jailbreaking exemption would open the door to them."

Currently, iPhone unlocking falls under a legal gray zone.  The comments by Apple come in response to an ongoing request by the Electronic Frontier Foundation to legalize the widespread practice of unlocking.  Apple wants to push it in the other direction make unlocking and jailbreaking the phone illegal.

Fred von Lohmann, the EFF attorney in charge of the EFF request mocked Apple's filing openly, calling its claims "preposterous".  He says that there's an estimated 1 million unlocked iPhones operating in the U.S. and that they have posed no threat thus far.  He states, "As far as I know, nothing like that has ever happened.  This kind of theoretical threat is more FUD than truth."

Apple also claims that unlocking and jailbreaking also could be used to enable the alteration of the Exclusive Chip Identification number, allowing for anonymous phone calls.  States Apple, "This would be desirable to drug dealers."

Unlocking the iPhone may currently be banned under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998, which states that "no person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title."

However, citizen requests, such as the EFF filing, must be considered for exemption every three years.  The Librarian of Congress and the Copyright Office is tasked with that responsibility.



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Is the iPhone really that dangerous?
By borrowAndWaste on 7/29/2009 4:15:19 PM , Rating: 5
Is the iPhone really that dangerous? If so why not just ban it completely.

Changing the DMCA exemption only discourages people who are afraid of breaking laws from jailbreaking their iPhone. If this threat was real, terrorists and drug dealers would have much more serious criminal prosecution to worry about than the civil prosecution for DRM circumvention.

It sounds like Apple is making the case for the iPhone to be pulled from the shelves and recalled.




RE: Is the iPhone really that dangerous?
By mfed3 on 7/29/2009 4:36:59 PM , Rating: 5
agreed. ban the god damn thing once and for all and we'll have no more conflict and flame wars on this site.


RE: Is the iPhone really that dangerous?
By erikejw on 7/29/2009 5:47:58 PM , Rating: 5
If they are so afraid of terrorists an even safer action from the government would be to ban the iPhone altogether, guess Apple didn't think of that one ;)


RE: Is the iPhone really that dangerous?
By knutjb on 7/29/2009 10:36:23 PM , Rating: 5
Does Apple realize how stupid they look right now? Hey we created the best thing since slice bread, ooops, it has a major security flaw that's easily exploited so lets go public and write a law!

Apple needs to get real. Those blatantly breaking laws like terrorist and drug dealers won't stop just because the feds say do that and you might get fined, I'm shaking at the thought...

Hmmm... wonder if Palm has the same problem or did they maintain control of their ego?

I don't care, for me, that's too much money for a phone and service.


RE: Is the iPhone really that dangerous?
By Lifted on 7/30/2009 4:38:10 AM , Rating: 5
Jobs: People, get your thinking apples on! How can we distract people from this whole China "issue"?

Jobs Drone 1: Penalize Foxconn or even source the iPhone to another OEM?

Jobs: You're fired! Next!

Jobs Drone 2: Terrorism?

Jobs: Genius!


RE: Is the iPhone really that dangerous?
By erikejw on 7/30/09, Rating: 0
By paydirt on 8/3/2009 4:36:52 PM , Rating: 2
I'd like to thank Apple for giving ideas to terrorists. I'd also like to thank Apple for broken software.


By dark matter on 7/30/2009 11:16:18 AM , Rating: 5
Exactly. Apple have just scored an almighty own goal here.

I can just here the terrorists now.

Mohammed: Shit Ahmed
Ahmed: Whats that Mohammed.
Mohammed: We're screwed.
Ahmed: Why, have they found our stash of AK-47's?
Mohammed: No
Ahmed: Have they found our RPG's?
Mohammed: No
Ahmed: Have they discovered our plans for poisoning the water supplies off New York?
Mohammed: Thankfully, No
Ahmed: Nooo, they have discovered our nuclear bomb haven't they Mohammed, they have found it before we had time to kill millions
Mohammed: No Ahmed, they have not. But we had better stop what we are doing this instant.
Ahmed: Why?
Mohammed: They have just passed a law making it illegal to hack an iPhone!
Ahmed: Noooooooooooooooooooooo!


By themaster08 on 7/30/2009 12:06:01 PM , Rating: 3
I'm just miffed that Apple didn't catch on to the unusually large order of iPhones to Afghanistan.


By 41A on 8/17/2009 3:05:49 PM , Rating: 2
Ban the iPhone... ban pencils and paper and stamps... shutdown the Post Office... tv and radio... ban speech...


RE: Is the iPhone really that dangerous?
By sprockkets on 7/30/2009 1:11:32 AM , Rating: 5
but pirks would die :(


RE: Is the iPhone really that dangerous?
By ipay on 7/30/2009 5:24:04 PM , Rating: 3
How is that a bad thing? Do you mourn for a monkey that threw sh!t at people when it was alive?


By sprockkets on 7/30/2009 9:18:12 PM , Rating: 2
What? You don't get a kick out of dumb and dumber duking it out? Who would we down rate on a consistent basis? This place would get boring.


RE: Is the iPhone really that dangerous?
By Sazar on 7/29/2009 4:43:56 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Is the iPhone really that dangerous?


Considering all the recent articles about overheating and exploding Apple mobile devices and the subsequent cover-ups and so forth, yes, they really are dangerous.


RE: Is the iPhone really that dangerous?
By MonkeyPaw on 7/29/2009 5:48:16 PM , Rating: 4
Actually, a Mac saved humanity from the aliens in "Independence Day," so yes, we should all be very concerned!


By SavagePotato on 8/1/2009 2:13:21 PM , Rating: 2
Now see that was the most un realistic thing about independence day.

If it were an Intel machine I could have at least thought hmm yeah Intel probably strongarmed the aliens into using their products through monopoly tactics.

But there is no goddamn way intergalactic space aliens bent on domination are using macs.


RE: Is the iPhone really that dangerous?
By dice1111 on 7/29/2009 4:49:30 PM , Rating: 2
As much as I love my iPhone, I would love this irony even more! Well put.


By Sazar on 7/29/2009 5:23:14 PM , Rating: 2
Yep ;)

Love my iPhone. Definitely don't see a need to defend it like this :D

If someone wants to jailbreak, they will do so.


RE: Is the iPhone really that dangerous?
By ViRGE on 7/29/09, Rating: -1
By wifiwolf on 7/29/2009 5:10:39 PM , Rating: 3
They are arguing that Iphone particularly can be used for that measure more than others, so teht's a flaw in their design. If it's just iphone than they have nothing be whining about.


RE: Is the iPhone really that dangerous?
By n00bxqb on 7/29/2009 8:34:59 PM , Rating: 5
Basically, it's the typical Apple scenario of, "We have the #1 selling product in its category, billions of dollars in open funds, the self-proclaimed greatest software and hardware engineers on the planet, but we don't want to admit that we suck at securing our product, so we'll exaggerate a potential, albeit highly unlikely, outcome in hopes of covering up our lack of ability/willingness to make our product better."

Yeah, sounds like Apple.


RE: Is the iPhone really that dangerous?
By ViRGE on 7/30/2009 5:34:43 AM , Rating: 2
There's nothing really "insecure" about the iPhone. Both the primary CPU and the Baseband have rather strong security - easily as good as anyone else's. Plus you have to keep in mind that the baseband isn't even made by Apple, it's an X-Gold 608/618 made by Infineon. The X-Gold series are in a number of other phones too, and the firmware is generally the same other than some minor customizations for each OEM.

Meanwhile the jailbreak and baseband unlock for the iPhone 3GS is really, really beautiful. The iPhone Dev Team found a crazy sequence of events and made them work as an exploit. I don't believe that any other ODM could have done better in that respect.


By JediJeb on 7/30/2009 3:22:39 PM , Rating: 2
A really bad thing for Apple now is that is someone does do this and disrupt the cell network and in court says they only found out they can do it from reading about Apple saying it could be done, then wouldn't that really open Apple up to liability?

Letting your top level OS be able to interact completely with the baseband controller seems rather bad to begin with, there should be some type of firewall or something protecting the baseband. But to openly tell the public that the link is there is like a bank president putting the codes to the banks security system at the bottom of their commercials. Apples desparate attempt to control their phone could have just opened them up to some serious troubles.


By HotFoot on 7/30/2009 5:13:44 AM , Rating: 3
How is this any different from a user having customised software running on a laptop connected through a 3G network dongle? I guess running any of my own code on my own laptop will be illegal in a couple years, too.


By arazok on 7/29/2009 5:13:03 PM , Rating: 5
Agreed. If you use an iPhone, the terrorists win.


RE: Is the iPhone really that dangerous?
By ExarKun333 on 7/29/2009 5:14:13 PM , Rating: 5
I own an iPhone (and like it) but if it is as dangerous as Apple says, then THEY should be the ones responsible to make it unbreakable. If they can't keep it unbroken, then it should be banned.

"Whaaa Whaaa!! We suck as writing software and made it leaky as hell. Now people are breaking the software and doing things on it we didn't intend. Government, HELP!!"


By someguy123 on 7/30/2009 12:32:17 AM , Rating: 4
oddly enough, if jailbreaking were made illegal not only would it NOT stop drug dealers and terrorists (who are too busy breaking a bunch of other laws to notice this one) but it'd also give them another way to stick it to the man while committing said crimes.

what the hell are they thinking?


By Nik00117 on 7/29/2009 5:49:15 PM , Rating: 5
This would be funny

Judge: So Apple what is the claim?
Apple: Unlocking the Iphone is dangerous and poses a national secuirty risk to our nation
Judge: Why's that
Apple: Because users will be able to exploit the power of the Iphone and hack cell phone towers bringing down entire networks.
Judge: Is the iphone really that powerful?
Apple: We are the best, so yes
Judge: Alright, all Iphones are banned
Apple: Uh?
Judge: If your iphone is so powerful we can't allow it to be sold, so you can't sell it anymore, now go fuck off as I type up the report on my Windows PC!


By 41A on 8/17/2009 3:17:40 PM , Rating: 2
Dangerous... you could drop it on the ground... it could burst into flames... land on your foot, and... I understand the next generation iPhone will contain a fire extinguisher.


Logic FAIL
By dav115 on 7/29/2009 4:10:55 PM , Rating: 5
No offence Apple, but I don't think drug dealers and terrorists are going to be too concerned with having to illegally unlock their iPhones...




RE: Logic FAIL
By raabscuttle on 7/29/09, Rating: 0
RE: Logic FAIL
By ZachDontScare on 7/29/2009 4:41:06 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
It seems like Micro$oft and Apple are kissing cousins - one is as bad as the other.


I disagree. Only one of them is attempting to use the force of government to acheive a business goal. For all of MS's faults, its 'heavy handedness', etc, its standard operating procedure is not to try to get the government to do its dirty work for them.


RE: Logic FAIL
By Lerianis on 8/3/2009 4:40:27 PM , Rating: 1
Quite true. That is one thing that people CANNOT blame Microsoft for: using the government to try and make OSX illegal or something else so that they have a government granted monopoly.


RE: Logic FAIL
By Smilin on 7/29/2009 6:08:15 PM , Rating: 5
I'm gonna say Apple is worse.

They manage to do more evil than MSFT while only being 1/4 the size.


RE: Logic FAIL
By ipay on 7/30/2009 5:35:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
They manage to fail far more epically than MSFT while only being 1/4 the size.


FTFY


RE: Logic FAIL
By phatboye on 7/29/2009 4:34:54 PM , Rating: 5
Any smart drug dealer would never use a iPhone and would instead op for a pre-paid phone like those offered from boost mobile. Hence why boost's ads cater to the urban youths.


RE: Logic FAIL
By SiN on 7/30/2009 9:19:29 AM , Rating: 3
Now Mr Pablo Escobar. Please Fill in your Personal Details, Contact Address, Occupation, and Credit Card Details so that we may get you going on this new exciting iPhone Deal.

Pablo Escobar, Medellín Cartel, Colombia
Cocaine Supplier
****-****-****-****

"Oh man I'm so excited... I been waiting for this iPhone for so long! I can't wait to start shipping kilos of cocaine and issue death orders with this sic interface and listening to my iTunes collection, all the other guy in the cartel are gunna be so jealous."

Freeze Pablo... *series of automatic shots fired*


Funny
By Murst on 7/29/2009 4:04:44 PM , Rating: 5
That's pretty funny considering that ( IMO ) there should be a law that prevents a company from locking a device to a specific carrier...




RE: Funny
By Justin Time on 7/30/2009 1:03:15 AM , Rating: 5
In some countries it *IS* illegal, and Apple have to sell the iPhone un-locked.

Australia is a case in point, where the law prevents Apple from such anti-consumer behaviour.

If you are prepared to pay the cost of the air-travel, you can buy yourself an unlocked iPhone at your nearest Australian Apple shop.


RE: Funny
By sprockkets on 7/30/2009 1:14:40 AM , Rating: 5
You are confusing un-locked with "jail broken." While jailbreaking does allow for what an unlocked phone does, jail breaking allows for you to do what others do with their pda level phones, install apps without the makers consent. You know, kinda how it has been for years on Palm and WinMob.


RE: Funny
By kalak on 7/30/2009 7:32:52 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
install apps without the makers consent. You know, kinda how it has been for years on Palm and WinMob.


And that's a GOOD thing, right ?
Anyway, it's MY phone, I payed for it and I will install all the apps that I need. App xyz don't work ? Uninstall. Easy...

"maker consent"... Ridiculous...


RE: Funny
By HotFoot on 7/30/2009 5:15:19 AM , Rating: 3
It used to be illegal to do this kind of consumer locked-in, vertically integrated product structure. Then the 80s hit.


By Cerin218 on 7/29/2009 4:16:08 PM , Rating: 4
So what you are saying is that you made a product that can be circumvented in the manner you have described, and rather then make a secure device or allowing people the freedom to do what they want with a product they purchased you need to government to declare the action "illegal"? Last time I checked, if you are a terrorist or drug dealer, you already aren't following a massive number of "laws". So how exactly is a law going to physically stop you from doing this? There are gun laws, but it doesn't stop the criminals from using them to um, break the law. At sentencing is the judge going to say that you were caught with x amount of drugs so we sentence you to 15 years in prison, and three years tacked on because you unlocked a cell phone to do it with?

If I were the government, I would tell Apple it is illegal for them to produce a product that can very simply put national security in jeopardy, or that will facilitate criminal activity.

Keep buying Apple people, you are the ones that allow them to continue their own stupidity.




By ElFenix on 7/29/2009 4:19:58 PM , Rating: 5
drug dealers have throwaways already.

taking down a couple of towers doesn't seem like something impressive enough for 'terrahists.' oh noes i can't makez muh cawlz! they probably want the tower up to set off phone bombs anyway.


By Chocobollz on 7/29/2009 5:31:30 PM , Rating: 2
Well, next time, Apple will say that terrorists could use the iPhone to blew up satellites... Maybe it really could if their crappy components inside were jamming the sats LOL


By g35fan on 7/29/2009 6:37:06 PM , Rating: 5
if that doesn't work they'll say everyone who unlocks an iphone is a racist. That don't work they'll say anyone who unlocks an iphone is contributing to child pornography.


By ipay on 7/30/2009 5:37:33 PM , Rating: 3
I'm sure they'll also throw global warming in the mix!

Oh wait, the iPhone contributes to that regardless...


By themaster08 on 7/30/2009 5:39:10 AM , Rating: 4
The iPhone is a terrorists dream.

They get to hack into national security using it, and then strap a few onto themselves whilst standing in the sunlight then BOOM!


Mutliple issues with making this illegal
By TheEinstein on 7/29/2009 4:26:07 PM , Rating: 4
The first is simple:

Anyone can ram a school bus.

It's very simple really, a schoolbus is a legit terrorism target, it would affect us as a society in a huge manner.

Yet attempting to make it illegal to ram a school bus will not stop those seeking to ram a school bus from ramming a school bus.

Nor will it stop people from selling durable vehicles capable of going completely through a school bus.

Thus the threat from terrorism is a 'non-sequitor'. It can happen regardless, via knowledge of existing phones, and via working in secret inside places such as Apple, Verizon, and AT&T. This in no way legitimately secures their infrastructure nor will it prevent attacks.

2) If the market is truly unhappy...
If you are limiting a market in a manner that makes them not like you, which is sorta in lines with my future aimed thesis about monopolies, then the market may do things you see as undesirable.

An example is music. I hate criminals, and downloading music for free is a 'criminal act'. However that some percentage wanted to only buy a single song, and not a whole album of crap for a single gem in the rough made for a market issue where crime became the only way to satisfy the 'need' in the market. Ultimately the music industry started to realize their forced monopoly was causing a large amount of the crime against them, and then the growth of direct competition against them (Starbucks music business, others) where singles were offered as an obvious choice for the consumer, then the dam burst.

This is an example of a monopoly finding their actions has created a counter (even if illegal) market against them. Being less abusive in their product choices ultimately is a wise choice.

3) Sadly our society cannot wait
We are the NOW AND I MEAN NOW generation. In the past a similar effort to stifle our desires would have lead to people just waiting out the business, and the business panicking as they are deeply under-sold. Some businesses would even be allowed to collapse so others could buy the rights and market it correctly.

Those consumers would wait until the business decided to meet the consumers model, not the businesses model.

Making it sufficiently 'illegal' would result in a backlash against Apple, notorious for their controls over their products, and would result in demand plummeting until they changed their model to meet the demand. Ultimately this would mean making all their phones transferable to other carriers for fear of losing customers to the more flexible of carriers.

All in all this is a very bad step for Apple, it's like trying to dam the Pacific Ocean away from California so that surfers get stopped from fighting over favored beaches...




RE: Mutliple issues with making this illegal
By rdeegvainl on 7/30/2009 7:48:57 AM , Rating: 3
I agree with the jist of your post, but
quote:
downloading music for free is a 'criminal act'.

Until they stop taking people to civil court, I don't think so.


RE: Mutliple issues with making this illegal
By Yawgm0th on 7/30/2009 11:49:56 AM , Rating: 2
Hopefully that is why he put it in quotes. I am tired of people referring to music piracy as illegal when there is in fact no statute criminalizing it.


RE: Mutliple issues with making this illegal
By daerid on 7/30/2009 12:30:57 PM , Rating: 2
As a musician, I have to ask: How do you propose that we as artists make money? Like it or not, there has to be compensation for our hard work, or pretty soon there won't be any music for you guys to leech.


By TheEinstein on 8/1/2009 7:48:16 PM , Rating: 2
Sir this is exactly the point.

Take China for example. I forget the Dynasty, maybe it was the Han Dynasty, but one of their emperors decided one day that anyone could make copies of anyone elses works. This could be music, a new mousetrap, a book, it could be anything.

The idea was that this would help spur their growth, their economy, and the fairness for all to have access to the invention if they would but copy it if needed.

This has lead to Modern Day China's rigid issues with inventions. No one will profit in China for their mental prowess in creating new things, only by copying new things faster and in more quantity than others. And cheaper of course, must never forget that with China!

This underlying issue is why they are THE PIRATES of so much music, video's, etc. Compare the rest of the world to them, and you have a thimble next to a lake.

There was one last aspect left to the Chinese... Individuality. Sadly Mao burned this out the hard way.


RE: Mutliple issues with making this illegal
By foolsgambit11 on 7/31/2009 12:23:37 AM , Rating: 2
Illegal means prohibited by law. Copyright infringement (including piracy) is prohibited by law - civil law, not criminal law. Ergo it is illegal, but not criminal. The same way illegal immigrants aren't criminals, despite their illegal entry into the country.

As an aside, I think we should start calling violations of civil law 'civil acts', just like violations of criminal law are criminal acts. And you could say, 'that was very civil of him' and it would mean the exact opposite of what people think it means.


By Lerianis on 8/3/2009 4:42:34 PM , Rating: 1
Don't give the RIAA ideas. At one time, they were thinking of lobbying Congress to make this illegal under CRIMINAL laws, but the massive public backlash made them back off for the moment.

Don't remind them of this, they might try again!


By CascadingDarkness on 7/30/2009 11:07:00 AM , Rating: 2
So you're saying that I should ram school buses to protest this stunt by Apple?

Genius! ;)


Calling all Apple zealots
By LRonaldHubbs on 7/29/2009 4:33:50 PM , Rating: 5
So basically Apple is admitting that it made a product which has become immensely popular and a giant target for hackers, and that it is unable to adequately counter the efforts of said hackers. Damn I love irony.




RE: Calling all Apple zealots
By Nobleman00 on 7/29/2009 5:00:52 PM , Rating: 5
It's an apple, it doesn't require security.


RE: Calling all Apple zealots
By MonkeyPaw on 7/29/2009 5:45:41 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, now that they have a popular hardware device that does more than play media files, Apple now gets to realize just how hard it is to fight the hacking/cracking community. The next thing they need to worry about is creating the perception that going to Big Brother is going to create. Right now people are mainly just trying to hack Apple hardware and software for non-intended uses (jailbreak, hackintosh, etc). However, if they provoke enough of the wrong people, that's when the more destructive attacks begin.


RE: Calling all Apple zealots
By djc208 on 7/30/2009 6:59:54 AM , Rating: 2
And their solution is to have the government make it illegal. You have to love the cahones on Apple (maybe that's where the name came from, it describes the size).

Screw a technology company relying on it's technological capabilites. We can't keep them out with the hardware/software so let's make it illegal.

Doesn't the fact that braking the phone is violating the EULA with Apple and probably AT&T mean it's already illegal? What is the point of this other than to provide terrorists and hackers with an idea they may not have considered before.

Or maybe this is just a conspiracy to justify apples latest app. iAnitVirus for your iPhone, because no one wants to hack our computers, but your phone is doomed.


I can hear the conversation...
By Smilin on 7/29/2009 6:05:00 PM , Rating: 5
"Ok guys today we're going to go blow up a skyscraper in Chicago. Do we have all the explosives and gear ready?"

... "Yeah we're ready, but I heard that blowing up skyscrapers has now been outlawed by congress."

"Damnit! Now we can't do it! We'll have to come up with something else. How about knocking out the cell phone network with jailbroken iphones?"

... "Nah, they just made jailbreaking iPhones illegal too."

"F'n great. That's it I quit. Looks like it's going to be world peace after all."




By SiliconAddict on 7/29/2009 6:21:28 PM , Rating: 4
+6 at least.


RE: I can hear the conversation...
By rburnham on 7/30/2009 10:47:56 AM , Rating: 2
Love it.


Really Apple?
By Cheesew1z69 on 7/29/2009 4:05:52 PM , Rating: 3
Outlaw this? Give me a fucking BREAK!




RE: Really Apple?
By zsunjian on 7/29/2009 5:05:31 PM , Rating: 5
Watch the language - Apple might sue you for cursing them, at the rate this is going.


RE: Really Apple?
By Cheesew1z69 on 7/30/2009 9:27:36 AM , Rating: 2
True, I better be nice :(


Let's look at this logically
By FITCamaro on 7/29/2009 4:24:09 PM , Rating: 4
If what Apple is saying is true about the iPhone, how is this situation different on any other phone? Couldn't hackers access the same thing on other phones or smart phones?

But let me get my torch lit because I'm with the rest of you.




By ZachDontScare on 7/29/2009 4:31:33 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
how is this situation different on any other phone?


Duh... because it's happening to Apple now. Jeesh, get with the program :-)


Hi, I'm an Apple...
By KIAman on 7/29/2009 6:00:17 PM , Rating: 5
(PC) and I'm a PC.
(Apple) say, PC, did you know how easy I am to use?
(PC) yeah I've noticed *fidgets with something in his hands*
(Apple) what are you doing PC?
(PC) wait for it...
(Apple) wait for wh... *tilts head slightly, with a far off look to his eyes*
(Apple) *shed skin, terminator internals show, machine gun forms from hands*
(Apple) must... eat... children... *runs off to find children*
(PC) *laughing hysterically* Oh man, that was fun *puts device away*
(PC) *gunshot wound to the head, falls to ground*




RE: Hi, I'm an Apple...
By Alexstarfire on 7/29/2009 11:41:23 PM , Rating: 3
Dude, f'ing hilarious.


I don't get it?!
By Golgatha on 7/29/2009 4:15:00 PM , Rating: 5
Unlocking the iPhone is already illegal in the USA because of the DMCA. Why do we need another law? Oh that's right, we had copyright law and then the DMCA, which was another law.

It's kinda like all the layers of DRM on Blu-ray discs, they just keep adding layers of DRM (or laws in this case) until they feel the IP is protected. Meanwhile hackers get around it all, fair use is once again preserved, a few innocent people get sued, and the lawyers benefit from all the chaos that ensues.




RE: I don't get it?!
By Lerianis on 8/3/2009 4:48:07 PM , Rating: 1
Bingo. Frankly, DRM should be TOTALLY BANNED worldwide. It serves no legitimate purposes. If someone wants to 'pirate' something, they still can EASILY!

Heck, I recently downloaded 'illegally' HellGate: London. Why? Because it wasn't available for sale anymore 'legally'!


Apple is my hero.
By Ramshambo on 7/30/2009 7:53:14 AM , Rating: 4
I'm so glad Apple is here to save the day from the evil terrorists! I feel so safe now that Apple has my interests at heart and is protecting me from the boogie man! Thank you Apple, it's so nice to know that your looking out for us.




RE: Apple is my hero.
By metaltoiletry on 7/30/2009 9:20:59 AM , Rating: 2
I know, it seems weird that Apple would even care about any of this. If anything, wouldn't it be better for them, since it means more sales? Their only concern is keeping their software and hardware closed.


Memo to all terrorist groups
By jtvang125 on 7/30/2009 10:49:59 AM , Rating: 4
MEMO

From: Bin Laden

To: All my faithful and loyal subjects

I need to ask all of you to refrain from unlocking your iPhones. It is now banned by the United States Government and we can be heavily fined and/or face harsh penalties. If you have already unlocked your iPhone please return it to the nearest Apple store.

In light of what has happened our plan of taking down all cell towers on the eastern US coast next week has been put on hold...indefinitely.




By SpaceJumper on 7/30/2009 11:25:22 AM , Rating: 2
What are you talking about?
We don't use iPhone. It's too expensive ....and the battery sucks. They are great for shooting target practice.


By GeorgeH on 7/29/2009 4:25:44 PM , Rating: 5
You could melt down the iPhone and make bullets. Terrorists could use those bullets to shoot children in the face. This would be bad.

Outlaw the iPhone. For the children.




By DEredita on 7/29/2009 4:53:46 PM , Rating: 5
Apple: We're a bunch of whiny bitches that hide behind high priced lawyers.

Lets see:

- Psystar Lawsuit
- Threatening Microsoft over ads
- Stomping on Google's toes by denying their apps
- Threatening Google not to use certain features on the G1
- Crying wolf about their own phone and terrorists unlocking them

Those are the first few things that came to mind, I am sure there are plenty more things.




H4X0R TOOLS
By Nobleman00 on 7/29/2009 5:13:46 PM , Rating: 5
Phr3@k&$t!3n: I'm GoIng tO cR@$h the GloBaL CElLULAR neTW0rx tomOrrow.

h4xforPhun: Sweet! WhiCh of Ur rIgz Will u UsE 2 h4x fr0m?

Phr3@k&$t!3n: mY b0$$, BrEaked OuT iPh0wN.

h4xforPhun: There's an app for that?

Phr3@k&$t!3n: There's an app for that.

Apple Announcer: ...And if you need directions to get to a safehouse, there's an app for that too.

Terrible Terrorist: Wait, my idetonator app won't work anymore!

Phr3@k&$t!3n: CyBerTerRoRizt H4x0rZ prevent BomBz, NEwz @ 11.




By SiliconAddict on 7/29/2009 6:19:50 PM , Rating: 4
Even MS at their lowest didn't pull this crap.




Big Head, Little Body
By rburnham on 7/30/2009 10:51:44 AM , Rating: 2
What is with the picture of the guy with the big head and little baby arm pointing at us? Is he a Cabbage Patch Doll? Creepy....




RE: Big Head, Little Body
By MrBlastman on 7/30/2009 11:06:42 AM , Rating: 2
Go watch Team America - and be prepared to laugh, a lot. :)


Really?
By lagitup on 7/30/2009 5:06:00 PM , Rating: 2
After all, drug dealers and terrorists are totally worried about breaking the law. I think Apple might be saving us from ourselves.

Whatever would we do without Big Brother to keep us safe?




RE: Really?
By ipay on 7/30/2009 5:40:05 PM , Rating: 2
In this case it's not so much "Big Brother" as "Small Retarded Brother Who Sh!ts Himself When Someone Yells At Him".


durka durka mohammed jihad
By ElFenix on 7/29/2009 4:06:16 PM , Rating: 2
IP lawyers piss me off.




haha
By oneTimeDeal on 7/29/2009 4:17:05 PM , Rating: 2
this one is so ridiculs it makes me laugh a terrorist attack come on.

:( but goign to cry because some high placed people probably will take it serious (the one with lot of shares kind).




Dear Apple,
By captainBOB on 7/29/2009 4:30:38 PM , Rating: 2
You're pulling at straws, and its pathetic. I can imagine a mother trying to make a case saying that the Santa Claus at the mall tried to molest her kid and is failing at it...




Is her really going to use this argument?
By Remalith on 7/29/09, Rating: 0
By ExarKun333 on 7/29/2009 5:15:46 PM , Rating: 2
Once you buy the phone, and are meeting your obligations in your service contract, who are they to say you can't jailbreak the phone? Screw them.


Dumb and Dumber
By Spoogie on 7/29/2009 6:25:25 PM , Rating: 2
Let me see if I follow Apple’s logic here.

Bad people can unlock the phone and use it for nefarious purposes; therefore unlocking it should be illegal.

Um… if it were made illegal, then that would somehow deter bad people from unlocking an iphone to use it for ill???

This reminds of the Ban Guns crowd: make them illegal so the bad people won’t get them!

This demonstrates that this is nothing more than a ploy by Apple to stop the unlocking, and has nothing to do with safety. If what they say is true about the potential risks, then a federal judge should order their removal from the market immediately.




By theanomaly1 on 7/29/2009 6:30:06 PM , Rating: 2
With all the processing it would need to do to create said dangerous connections, and being held in the hand of an excited (and as a result, presumably somewhat hot and sweaty) terrorist while doing so, it'll just overheat anyways and fail.




Drug dealers ROFL
By HrilL on 7/29/2009 6:31:28 PM , Rating: 2
Come on Apple can't you come up with something better. First of your security sucks so bad you have to get the government to make laws to protect your incompetence.

Why would a drug dealer buy an iPhone to use as their business phone? While some are dumb and get caught anyone with at least a somewhat functional brain would just get a prepaid phone with cash buy phone cards with cash to add minutes and never have their name or anything personally identifiable on their phone in the first place. You sell drugs for cash so really it only makes sense.

Hopefully people in the government aren't as retarded as apple.




By RjBass on 7/29/2009 7:27:12 PM , Rating: 2
There's an app for that.




Hmmmmm....
By knightoftears on 7/29/2009 11:03:20 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, they have to be kidding. Let's see...they invent one of the most insecure pieces of crap on the market....charge premium prices...get mad because their security sucks and it gets hacked repeatedly...then pull the terrorist card to try and save face. We aren't stupid Steve....your product sucks, and it's your fault, not ours, and not the terrorists.




Unlocked iphone...
By croc on 7/29/2009 11:47:06 PM , Rating: 2
So if I take my unlocked iphone from Australia to the US, I am now going to have to surrender it to your TSA? They already have one of my laptops, now they want my mobile?

Does everyone in the US take drugs, or what...




iPhone NEW MOTO....
By kalak on 7/30/2009 7:41:11 AM , Rating: 2
- Silence !!!! I kill you !!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go




Judge's Verdict
By SpaceJumper on 7/30/2009 9:13:25 AM , Rating: 2
Judge:....remove the BBP “baseband processor” Chip.
Judge: This case is now closed.




By menting on 7/30/2009 1:29:03 PM , Rating: 2
If it really is like what APPLE said about unlocking iphones will aid terrorists and drug dealers, why are they selling unlocked cell phones overseas then? Do they mean they are directly helping the terrorists and drug dealers?
This lie is so obvious that APPLE should be fined for wasting public resources to look at their request.




By rrsurfer1 on 7/31/2009 11:23:22 PM , Rating: 2
This is a really dumb argument by Apple. This type of hack is obviously already possible if just unlocking the phone is what is required.

Here's an article on what a bandpass processor does...
http://electronicdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=...

So if you hacked into the baseband processor interface on the iPhone (or any other 3G phone with a baseband processor) you could essentially do a DoS attack by flooding the tower with commands. If what this article is saying is correct then the API in the baseband processor is badly designed to allow this behavior.

In any case, implementing a hardware tag in the processor would allow the attack to be detected. Also, there would be no reason to use the iPhone for this, you could simple connect the control pins on any baseband processor to another processor. That would almost certainly be easier than trying to access it from the iPhone.

If it is possible, they should develop methods to detect it from the towers, because just banning iPhone unlocking won't cut it.




By 91TTZ on 8/3/2009 11:01:15 AM , Rating: 2
Drug dealers and terrorists. The bust FUD of the 80's and 2000's.




By 41A on 8/3/2009 9:41:35 PM , Rating: 2
Has anyone suggested that making something illegal will have little effect on those who would unlock an iPhone and threaten "cell phone towers across America".




Absolutely contradictory
By Hok on 8/4/2009 2:07:32 AM , Rating: 2
You know what is ridiculous about all of this… The Iphones are ALL UNLOCKED IN HONG KONG and apple is selling them unlocked. Does this mean Hong Kong is a terrorist haven for cell tower manipulation and destruction of world order…
I like my Iphone but this is …




Jail Apple now!
By majocalling on 8/11/2009 5:29:58 AM , Rating: 2
Okay, a phone can't hack into the network, it doesn't have the access and if apple are stupid enough to put that info into their phone, they deserve to be jailed.

The network providers have the ability to get into the system and alter data etc, a phone simply doesn't get into the right bits of it - the handset sends out a signal with a few codes that identify the handset, carrier to be used and the account details, so you get billed. Everything else is transmission TO THE HANDSET.

Apple should be jailed for scare tactics and lying like the cheap Chinese watch that they are.




WTF???
By corduroygt on 7/29/09, Rating: -1
RE: WTF???
By HrilL on 7/29/2009 9:14:25 PM , Rating: 4
Don't bring guns into this.

If you use just about anything the wrong way it can be dangerous and/or cause harm or death.


RE: WTF???
By twjr on 7/30/09, Rating: -1
“Then they pop up and say ‘Hello, surprise! Give us your money or we will shut you down!' Screw them. Seriously, screw them. You can quote me on that.” -- Newegg Chief Legal Officer Lee Cheng referencing patent trolls














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