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My, how the tables have turned for Mac and PC. Infected by a fast-spreading new Trojan, Apple is struggling to safeguard its platform. Perhaps a tissue is in order?  (Source: Apple)

Apple has rolled out a new removal tool to try to combat Mac Defender, which no longer needs a password to install. But the latest versions of the malware escape detection, thanks to a quick renaming.  (Source: YouTube)
New Mac virus doesn't even need a password

Apple, Inc. (AAPL) must be getting a taste of what it feels like for Microsoft Comp. (MSFT).  After years relishing security through obscurity thanks to the relative unpopularity of its products, Apple is seeing sales of its personal computers rise, and with them Mac attacks.

Hackers' best effort to date is arguably a fake antivirus program named "Mac Defender".  Various variants of the trojan have reportedly infected one in every twenty Macs.  Reportedly, Apple's initial response was to intentionally feign ignorance, telling its repair and support staff to ignore the virus and not tell customers about it.

Clearly such an approach was intractable, and Apple eventually relented, quietly announcing that protection was coming via an update.  That protection has arrived and it's pretty significant.

Dubbed Security Update 2011-003, the update transforms the File Quarantine utility inside OS X 10.6 "Snow Leopard" into what is almost an in-house antimalware applications, à la Microsoft Security Essentials (Microsoft's free antivirus and antimalware suite).

The update includes definitions of known Mac Defender variants, which will allow the tool to detect and block installation of the trojan when users try download it via web browsers, e-mail, and other common paths.  That's not so new -- Apple has updated with other malware signatures before.

What is new is a shiny new automated removal tool that goes out and tries to hunt down and remove installed versions of Mac Defender on your machine.  The tool is an example of how Apple is increasingly be forced to defend itself against malware, much to the chagrin of die hard users and marketing folks at Apple, both of whom largely prefer to view the platform as immune to all attacks.

The system also contains improvements to the tool which streamline auto-updating of definitions.

But sadly for Apple the story doesn't end there.  Within 8 hours of releasing the update, ZDNet discovered a new version of Mac Defender popped up named "Mdinstall.pkg" and it's able to slide right by all of Apple's fancy new protections.  And like newer versions of the trojan, its crafted to no longer prompt users for a password to install, making the process of accidentally/carelessly installing the program much more subtle.

That variant has since been killed, thanks to yet another update, but there's likely new versions popping up in the wild as you read this.  Apple has entered the "cat and mouse" game with malware writers that Microsoft has long suffered through.

Desperately trying to patch a widespread infection? Getting thwarted by pesky renamings and refactorings of malware?  It sounds like Apple has discovered what it felt like for Microsoft for all those intrusion-laden years where it was the only party with significant market share.



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Where's Tony?
By SkullOne on 6/2/2011 9:39:42 AM , Rating: 5
I'm sorry but I all I can do is laugh and say it's great to be in the land of vindication. PC users and Security experts have been saying this will happen for years. All we got in return was tons of BS and crap from people like Tony.

It's happening NOW. It's only going to get worse and most Apple users, like PC users, are total tools. Infections will rise and people will get pissed. Apple can't keep quiet anymore. They need to become incredibly proactive with this or face the same issues Microsoft did with XP.




RE: Where's Tony?
By AssBall on 6/2/2011 9:48:21 AM , Rating: 5
The gayest part is that Apple will probably charge for their service pack patches that fix all the security holes.

Actually it is pretty funny.


RE: Where's Tony?
By MeesterNid on 6/2/2011 10:55:22 AM , Rating: 2
WTF? How is Apple supposed to stop morons from voluntarily installing a virus on their machines? This thing doesn't run automatically, like say *cough* ActiveX *cough*, it actually requires people running the installer app.

Granted, they should've gotten their heads out of the sand and let people know about it, but the majority of the blame here is on user ignorance which is pretty unbiased regardless of the platform.


RE: Where's Tony?
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 10:57:24 AM , Rating: 5
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user ignorance which is pretty unbiased regardless of the platform.


Mmmm...well, yes, there are hordes of brain-dead, mouth-breathing buffoons using PCs...simply as a reflection of society as a whole. But if you're trying to quantify "ignorance by platform," 100% of the Mac install base has to be pretty GD ignorant - or else they'd not be part of the Mac install base.


RE: Where's Tony?
By MeesterNid on 6/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: Where's Tony?
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 11:23:14 AM , Rating: 2
No...I think it puts *you* in perspective.


RE: Where's Tony?
By Samus on 6/2/2011 12:12:42 PM , Rating: 4
Wrong, wrong, wrong!

All the companies take the wrong approach, time and time again.

The correct solution to Malware is to track down the author and shoot them in their bloody head! Only then will it truely stop.

And who else to use such tactics other than Apple!? Just get Foxconn to handle it.


RE: Where's Tony?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/2011 11:45:00 AM , Rating: 4
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Right, 100%...I think that comment puts your whole comment in perspective.


Isn't it true though?

When I hear people argue for switching to Apple, it's never for tangible reasons. With Apple will you get more work done? No. Will you have more options than the PC platform? No. Will you get updates as fast as Windows and have broad compatibility? No. Will you pay WAY more? Hell yes.

The only arguments I see put forth are the "beauty" of the OS and the "user experience". Which is just a bunch of mealy mouthed emotional drivel that tells me zilch about the platform. Computers are NOT works of art, they crunch zeros and ones, they do not care for how enlightened you feel when you sit in front of it. And neither do I.

100% idiots, I'll go along with what Moto said.


RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: Where's Tony?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/2011 12:05:14 PM , Rating: 1
And who are you? Nobody.


RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: Where's Tony?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/2011 12:13:42 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
at least think about and acknowledge valid arguments opposite his own.


You haven't posted a valid argument though. You are simply doing profile attacks of me and Moto. Did you have something to ADD here?

I backed up my opinion, since you are no doubt an insulted Apple user, I await yours.


RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: Where's Tony?
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 12:06:46 PM , Rating: 2
...I'm guessing you have your Mac connected via Monster Cables to your Bose Wave Radio...and you think it's *awesome*.

You're entitled to your opinion. Just be advised that it's invalid.


RE: Where's Tony?
By SilthDraeth on 6/2/2011 12:38:11 PM , Rating: 2
My brother has used Macs, and has an ipod touch, etc. I give him crap about it. But recently without any persuasion he put Windows 7 on his Mac, because he got tired of dealing with Apple's OS.


RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: Where's Tony?
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 4:20:40 PM , Rating: 5
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Bose sucks. They are a bunch of deceptive marketing fools that produce a poor product for those who don't know anything about audio.


The world's irony detector just exploded.

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I've owned several PCs.


Blah blah. Your anecdata is of no value, as is true of all anecdata. PEBKAC at any rate.

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So I decided to try out a Macbook Pro


No one cares.

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Apple uses proprietary mother boards with enhanced circuitry.


All laptops have proprietary motherboards. There's no such thing as "enhanced circuitry" - although thanks for once again underlining your own dimwittedness for uttering such a phrase. All major OEM laptops are made by the same ODMs in Asia - like Foxconn - Apple, Dell, HP, etc. laptops all coming out of the same factory, built by the same people using the same processes, so on and so forth.

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The whole other half is the aesthetic


Get the f%ck over yourself. There's plenty of Windows-based machines that look just as gay as Apple machines if you're looking for that effeminate self-righteous pompous bastard look.

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Plus, a computer is now a piece of furniture.


...what?

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I could go on and on.


Obviously.

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Do you want more of a reason?


How about valid ones?

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Or does this suffice for now?


Oh, that's plenty...thanks. Now excuse me while I try to find a wood rasp so I can gouge your stupid back out of my eyeballs.


RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: Where's Tony?
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 6:12:57 PM , Rating: 5
We know the bit about Bose, and the excellent article you linked. The irony detector exploded because what you had berated Bose for is the reason non-Apple consumers berate Apple. Bose = Apple...and Monster Cable is right in there with them.

quote:
not in my chair pal. i went to super-geek university.


Uh-huh. Super PEBKAC.

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you're falling into that category again. useless statement... not an argument. you're dissmissive because of your bias, not because the statement lacked any merit.


No, I'm dismissing your statements because they lacked merit. Pure and simple.

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yes there is. the gauge, the metal used, the binders, the application process... are all very strictly controlled by apple.


No there isn't. Also, this just in: the tooth fairy is a myth, and the cake is a lie. You're so unbelievably full of BS it's just astounding. Apple controls not the slightest bit of anything you mentioned there, and there is not the slightest difference in the manufacturing processes used to make their crap vs. everyone else's crap. Well, no one else's crap seems to involve employee suicides or explosions, but that's just part of the magic.

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just as i said that there is no pompous effect to be considered


...you saying there's no "pompous effect" to be considered is negated by the "aesthetics" bit. That is all.

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and if "gay" is what you think of attention to detail,


...like what? The details of all the Apple stuff that so famously has been horrifically poorly designed? No manufacturer in the history of the world has been so maligned for poor design than Apple. You're spouting utter BS.

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what is a piece of furniture?


I'm starting to think you are. In any event, none of the BS you just spouted there makes any sense as a comparison of a Mac vs. a PC. None of it.

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please provide me with examples of valid arguments


All of the examples you have been trying to use are false. Cost, quality, ease of use, stability, "furniture", whatever. ALL of your arguments are wrong. There is NO WAY to assert that there's ever a logical reason for buying a Mac over a Windows machine. For all of the reasons you've been trying to point out. Cost, quality, ease of use, stability, et al are either in Windows' favor, or at worst equal on both sides.

At any rate, once again I have fed the troll too long. Every single statement you've made is the same as have been made by Mactards since the beginning of time...and debunked since the beginning of time. And you are worth no more time. If you want to continue to spout the same BS over and over again that have been exhaustively refuted infinite times, just do us a favor and Google it all up for a while.

It's clear you are too far gone. There is no hope for you...well, we can hope you don't procreate. You are nothing but a poster child for the depth of stupidity and willful ignorance that the human animal is capable of given the appropriate marketing/religious stimuli.


RE: Where's Tony?
By Pirks on 6/3/11, Rating: -1
RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/3/11, Rating: 0
RE: Where's Tony?
By Pirks on 6/3/11, Rating: 0
RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/3/11, Rating: 0
RE: Where's Tony?
By Pirks on 6/3/11, Rating: 0
RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/3/11, Rating: 0
RE: Where's Tony?
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/4/2011 5:26:03 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Well, we have two Big Fat Trolls here, one is Tony and the other is Moto, Tony is pro Apple and Moto is anti Apple. You can't reason with both of them, you don't argue with them since both believe in totally ridiculous assumptions about their idol/nemesis.
And this coming from you....amazing, simply amazing


RE: Where's Tony?
By Pirks on 6/6/2011 11:15:18 PM , Rating: 2
Amazing only for a little whiny troll like yourself. Nothing amazing for the normal forum reader tho


RE: Where's Tony?
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/7/2011 2:47:42 AM , Rating: 2
Quite obvious by your post that you have no clue wtf you are talking about considering I rarely post....so keep on trolling..


RE: Where's Tony?
By MeesterNid on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: Where's Tony?
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 12:15:59 PM , Rating: 5
Translation: "Apple products are reassuringly expensive, and I wish to exercise my individuality by doing what the TV tells me to."


RE: Where's Tony?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/2011 12:22:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
1. Durability.


Are we talking about the same made in China MacBook Pro's with overheating problems and exploding batteries? Yeeeeah, good one.

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2. Attention to detail.


Subjective. Invalid. Again, not a tangible.

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3. OS X. In terms of usability it is head and shoulders above Windows in my opinion.


If that was the case, you wouldn't have Boot Camp, there would be no need for it. And you also wouldn't have like 5% market share.

You haven't told me SHIT about why I should switch to the Apple platform. You have directly proven what I just said, and what have known all along. Hype over substance. I don't care about how something makes you FEEL, tell me what it can DO for me that Windows can't. Can you even do that?

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But people buy Mercedes and BMW.


Car analogy is over used, and in Apples case, REALLY doesn't help you. Apples are the BMW of the computing world only in price. Do they outperform? No. Also Mercedes and BMW get you prestige and attention. I've never heard of someone getting laid because they bought an Apple lol.

See, again, this is typical of the self absorbed Apple user. You really think you bought into some "luxury" computing brand, and therefore, that makes it better and visa vis YOU a better person.


RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: Where's Tony?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/2011 12:57:37 PM , Rating: 2
You're wasting your time. I'm just going to come straight out and let you know that. Give it up, snake.

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In any case, you're strongly making the case that you're 100% twit.


Because I don't agree with you? Well that's real solid logic there.


RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/2011 1:13:57 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, I didn't get the impression you were doing the whole logic thing.


RE: Where's Tony?
By messele on 6/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: Where's Tony?
By messele on 6/2/2011 2:46:29 PM , Rating: 2
He was also driven round in a Mercedes Benz and the Luftwaffe used BMW engines in their aeroplanes so we've neatly come full circle.

Some of the comments about the one-button mice etc. though are a little out of date we think? Pretty sure Mac mice now have 4 buttons or more these days so it does make the author of that particular comment look as though they may never have actually used MacOS?


RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: Where's Tony?
By AssBall on 6/3/2011 2:35:30 AM , Rating: 3
Why the hell would you want a unibody case? So it can be inefficient and expensive and impossible to upgrade or repair? Your welcome to pay a premium for stupid designs, I suppose.


RE: Where's Tony?
By gibb3h on 6/3/2011 3:41:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
and what is a tangible detail to you? because to me, as a designer


stopped reading right there...


RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/3/2011 11:59:15 AM , Rating: 1
oh really?

stay in your little engineer hole and never come out again.

oh wait, that's what they do anyway.....

robots.

its easy to do match and engineering. its a lot more difficult to do things where there's no formula.

just keep plugging and chugging and calling yourself smart. it'll make you feel better...


RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/3/2011 12:05:27 PM , Rating: 2
math, not match, my bad.


RE: Where's Tony?
By Skywalker123 on 6/3/2011 11:31:05 PM , Rating: 2
"Everything less is just crap. I don't spend my money on crap. I save money and buy the better things and replace them less often."

You're much better off spending less and replacing computers more often.


RE: Where's Tony?
By sabbede on 6/3/2011 12:20:27 PM , Rating: 2
I think the car analogy is overused simply because BMWs and Fords use the same roads and fuel...


RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/3/2011 12:40:36 PM , Rating: 2
yes but the users use different chairs!!!!


RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: Where's Tony?
By MeesterNid on 6/2/2011 12:35:00 PM , Rating: 2
All excellent points, that I didn't have time to elaborate on! But you're wrong in assuming that the people who made all the previous emotion-driven, logic-void comments are honest in their skepticism...i.e. they're willing to accept valid arguments and admit they may not know everything.


RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: Where's Tony?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/2011 12:48:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple products are selling so well


Umm we're not talking about pads and phones and music players here. Nobody buys Apple PC's in any significant number. No matter who's numbers you use, Apple's computer market share is miniscule.


RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/2/2011 2:12:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple's computer market share is miniscule.


so will be the computer market as a whole in ten years.

you need to be able to envision whats to come. you keep talking about the present. the only thing that matters is what's next. you probably thought the iphone was going to fail just cause it was apple.

clearly, apple saw an untapped market opportunity. they saw the sun and shot for it. for the record google makes a good platform too. which is better for us all cause we'll only get better devices out of it.


RE: Where's Tony?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/2/2011 2:40:38 PM , Rating: 2
wait, are you critiquing my "short-hand" way of typing from a grammatical point of view?

You need to be able to envision what is to come. Better?

you realize you not only requested a defense of my stance on apple while i accused you of ignoring everyone else's arguments only to ignore my defense and then stoop to the level of petty grammatical critiques in a forum where people don't normally find it necessary to type in long-hand and formal language (yes an intentional run-on sentence)?

Perhaps, sir, using the English language properly in an informal setting such as this would yield not only a conversation rife with pretentiousness, but also serve as a barrier for that which we are intending to accomplish.

in other words. its informal... refrain from childish call-outs, stick to the argument, defend yourself, respond to mine or risk permanently putting yourself in the place i have already suggested you belong.

rebuttal?


RE: Where's Tony?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/2011 12:46:38 PM , Rating: 2
WOw, there's so much bullshit in his post it literally just blew my face off. I don't think there's enough time in the day to debunk every single point of his, and it would be a super long post. His was pretty much TLDNL itself. His criticisms of Windows haven't been valid for over 5 years now, typical of a Apple user who just repeats the same old propaganda he hears from other idiots. But seriously, the bullshit level of his post goes to 11.


RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: Where's Tony?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/2011 5:04:33 PM , Rating: 2
And six months ago OSX's recycle bin didn't work. You could NOT delete certain things. So what's your point? How about the 2009 Snow Leopard bug that would wipe out the entire users account and all it's data? Fun fun! Can't say I've ever seen Windows do that.

Guess what? Every OS has bugs. Your little gripe about WordPad is silly and doesn't prove ANYTHING.

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The problem is that the differences bother me. I'll pay more to not have to use the second-rate OS.


Only a Mac fanatic could look someone in the eye and call an OS that like 98% of the world relies on on a daily basis "second-rate". Are you REALLY that condescending or just THAT into the Koolaid?


RE: Where's Tony?
By Alexstarfire on 6/2/2011 10:16:15 PM , Rating: 1
Well, I decided to try out all of the things you mentioned just for the hell of it. Here's what I found.

1. Works properly in WordPad. I even used your post as the test text. If it doesn't work in Microsoft Word 2007 then IDK cause I don't use it and don't have it installed, or any Microsoft Office products for that matter.

2. Again, worked fine in WordPad.

3. I think I figured out what you're trying to do here, but I'm not sure. If I'm not mistaken you're trying to drag a folder/file from the desktop into the window that comes up when you do the file->open command, right? Not sure why you'd do it that way since it'd be really inconvenient. Of course it doesn't work the way you'd like it to.... I'm not even sure why you'd want it to work that way. It'd be far quicker to either open the file/folder on the desktop yourself or to just navigate to the folder in the Open window. Of course, that's if I understood what you were trying to do in the first place.

4. Pretty much what I said above if I'm reading that right. As for dragging it to the app on the taskbar do you mean a pinned app? Dragging it to a pinned app wont open it directly, just pins it to the pinned app. From there you can click the pinned app and then click the file. Seems more useful for when you open certain files a lot. Now, if you mean from the Quick Launch then it actually does open it directly. So IDK how you got the red circle.

5. Funny, cause I have the Open With option in my context menu and have had it there at least since XP. Can't remember about before that.

So, other than you perhaps wanting to do some strange things with your Open Panel, which you could do if you really wanted, nothing of what you said is true in general. Could be true for the specific app you used.... but that sounds like an application problem and not a Windows one.

BTW, if you really wanted to do 3 or 4 then all you'd have to do is drag it to the Favorites folder on the left and make it a link then click on it. You could then delete it unless you want to use it again. Never actually tried to do 3 or 4 anyway and don't know why you would. It's a rather round-a-bout way of doing what you really want.

Just thought that if you want to use facts against PCs/Windows that they ought to be true first.


RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/2011 11:40:29 PM , Rating: 1
1. They may have fixed the whole-word selection as of Win 7. Office 2K7 on Vista certainly doesn't handle it correctly - double click, move the selection up, oops, the mouse went the wrong way, try to move it back down, and suddenly you get cases where your original word is no longer highlighted, just other stuff. (I wish these posts allowed images.) Strange, sure. I did say the selection appears to work in Wordpad on Win7, I don't know if they fixed it in Office 2K11, but it certainly wasn't fixed '5 years ago' as was claimed. And the reason it works differently by app is that the components behind the scenes are generally inconsistent - anything beyond basic functionality is up to each app developer.

2. Doesn't work fine in Wordpad. Click in the middle of a word, drag to the next word. Try selecting half of that next word - nope, it's in word selection mode now. Drives me batsh*t crazy if I'm trying to code and it won't let me select part of words. If I wanted WHOLE words selected, I'd have started by selecting a whole word so that it would logically continue doing that.

3. At the end of the day, I want to open a file. Mac apps let you open another document independent of the current window, Windows sees each instance of the document as its own app - in some cases. WordPad being non-MDI has the open menu on the app window, so you can't just be 'in', pop the open panel, and open another document. I think that OS X handles this much more nicely - the app is running, so either drag the icon onto the apps icon or, if you happen to be looking for something with the Open panel and realize you have it on the desktop or in a Finder window somewhere, just drag it onto the Open panel and it chooses that file. Not whatever strange stuff Windows does.

4. Again, it's different. I want to drop it on the app icon and have it do the right thing. What in the world is it trying to 'pin' it for? It'll be in my recent files if I use it often. And I actually don't know where you would - what, drag it? - onto Quick Launch?

5. Funny, because I didn't do ANYTHING to customize the Win 7 Pro install, and it doesn't have Open With. The menu certainly DID have it in XP. I've seen it too. I assumed Win 7 removed it, but apparently it's a magic feature that only is there for some users now? OS X certainly has Open With.

Now for MDI apps, the experience of course would be different, though MS (I think?) no longer pushes that model as much.

In any case, as far as I can see selection is still at least half broken, which is a half improvement over totally broken as it was up through what, Vista?

The Open Panel is just one case of drag/drop that works on the Mac and doesn't on Windows. Document windows themselves have draggable doc icons on the window frame, so you can easily get paths for command lines, drag them to email, etc. For that matter you can select text in any text field / box and drag/drop it without having to copy/paste. It's just... smoother.

Better usability is certainly an opinion - having used Windows heavily up to the Vista timeframe, and thankfully not since - and I'm still not seeing the improved usability other than whole word selection in WordPad. And for some reason my copy on Win 7 doesn't even show Open With. And that, for me, is the Microsoft experience in a nutshell - always something irritating.

Anyway, thank you for a more interesting discussion than some other posters seem to be able to provide. :) And if you prefer Windows, fine. I just really don't get the idea of 'well, if someone paid for something else, they're just crazy!'. It's clearly a different UI, even if both have windows for apps.


RE: Where's Tony?
By Fritzr on 6/3/2011 12:48:35 AM , Rating: 3
#1 Selection works in this manner also when selecting text in web pages. My workaround for this problem is to select the text that I want. A little practice and you will find that while it can be annoying, it is a simple matter of practice.

#2 I just tested this in WinXP with Wordpad and duplicated your result. After 30 seconds of searching for the fix in the menus I changed the behavior to allow selection by char instead of by word. I suggest you try learning how to use the editor before stating that it is broken because you don't know how to use it. I last used Wordpad about 2 years ago and before today did not know about this option. To toggle "select word"/"select char" follow these simple steps
1) Open Wordpad
2) Click "View" in the menu bar
3) Click Options in the drop down menu
4) Click the "Options" tab in the dialog box you now have open
5) Clear the check box next to "Automatic word selection" to turn the feature off. Check the box to turn this feature on.

#3 You are trying to open a document using Wordpad by dropping the document on an open Wordpad document.

You are correct, Windows does not work that way. In Windows you double click the document icon to open it with the default program for that file type.

#4 You are trying to open a document using a particular application by dropping the document icon on the application icon

You are correct, Windows does not work that way. In Windows you right click the document icon & select "open with" for a known file type.
Or double click and then select the application to use for an unknown file type. This behavior is identical in WinXP, Vista & Win7

In WinXP, Vista & Win7 if the file type is unknown the "open with" option does NOT appear in the right click menu and if you double click a file with an unknown file type a dialog is opened asking what program you want to use.

#5 If the file type is unknown then "Open With" does not appear. Add the file type to the list of known types and you will see the "Open With" option for that file type.

Instructions on how to fix your complaints 4 & 5
To get the "Open With" option for your document, set the default program to use to open the file type (the chars after the final period in the file name)

How to change or select which program starts when you double-click a file in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307859
Change which programs Windows uses by default
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/C...

In short Windows is NOT OS X. Before complaining about Windows behaving like Windows I suggest you RTFM


RE: Where's Tony?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/3/2011 12:35:06 PM , Rating: 5
Thank you once and for all for proving what we've said all along. That you're COMPLETELY ignorant and full of it. Do us a favor and just stick to OSX, you somehow can't even pull of the most BASIC tasks in Windows without expecting it to work like OSX.

By the way, coding in Wordpad? That's RETARDED. No programmer would ever code in Wordpad! Not even an amateur.

quote:
And that, for me, is the Microsoft experience in a nutshell - always something irritating.


Yes we know. You never had to learn how to use OSx, Steve Jobs just read your mind and magically customized the OS experience just for you! Shame on Windows for not being intuitive (a word used for people who like things dumbed down) enough for you.


RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/2011 2:57:01 PM , Rating: 1
Lol, funny that when I posted some quick tests from today showing are quite valid, it got rated down. But I guess to Reclaimer's point, it would take him another few years to debunk the points since they're still not fixed in Win 7...


RE: Where's Tony?
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 12:54:31 PM , Rating: 5
You're both liars, simply re-hashing the same old Apple BS that's been voluminously debunked forever.

Quality? Please. There's no company in the world more famous for firstly producing radically defective products, and secondly for then denying that any problem even exists, than Apple.

Stability? You just crash different. Apple products have at least as many problems and holes and anything else, and at the end of the day - PEBKAC. The *vast* majority of any usage problems are the fault of clueless users...regardless of the machine/software in question. Plenty of people in this world could GPF a rock.

Ease of use? Don't be a f%cking retard. There is categorically nothing about OS X or any other Mac OS that is fundamentally any better than any Windows OS of the past couple decades. Other than the fact that, you know, it's obviously much more sensible to hold the Apple key down and then use the one-and-only mouse button to get to a context menu, than to just use a right mouse button. Apple made their OS "different" in totally ineffectual (sometimes counter-productive) was to simply make it different...for the sake of being different.

And when you add in the inability to use 95% of all the software in the world, the ridiculously inflated prices (and don't try to rationalize that...again...you'll just make an ass of yourself...again), the lack of ability to access utterly normal stuff (like Flash) etc., and it's eminently clear to anyone with 2 synapses to click together that buying a Mac is a catastrophically moronic decision.

Which is why you and your 3 friends have to constantly try to defend and rationalize it.


RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: Where's Tony?
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 1:46:39 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/2011 2:32:22 PM , Rating: 2
How did they get Ballmer to give that quote?


RE: Where's Tony?
By cjohnson2136 on 6/2/2011 2:07:51 PM , Rating: 1
Will you all just shut up. You are all comparing apples and oranges. Hardware has nothing to do with Windows. MSFT does not do the hardware. If you want to compare HP or Dell or Acer to the HARDWARE of Apple and then compare Windows to Mac OSX fine but stop mixing it all up. Ugh i get tired of hiring this stupid arguments


RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/2011 2:37:16 PM , Rating: 2
Crap, just don't make us get out and walk home from here. :)


RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/2/2011 3:02:26 PM , Rating: 2
You do realize half the stuff they changed in windows 7 was just to be different, and the other half was to copy stuff apple was already doing... like the really annoying preview boxes on the task bar that sometimes close when you click the little picture (not the x-box, the picture), sometimes select the window (what is supposed to do), and sometimes nothing at all.

that being said, as a whole, windows 7 is a much improved experience over vista which was almost as bad as WinME, which of course crashed daily.

ps i gave a rant about pc quality above you haven't responded to...


RE: Where's Tony?
By RMSe17 on 6/2/2011 4:57:54 PM , Rating: 2
I have to disagree. I had several of my electrical engineering friends switch to Apple laptops with OS X, because it was a much better programming and server(Linux) admin platform than Windows, while at the same time had a much better integration of GUI and CLI than Linux.


RE: Where's Tony?
By AssBall on 6/3/2011 2:40:31 AM , Rating: 2
So your electrical engineering friends are programmers and server admins. Do you see the inconsistency here? They are obviously not either if they try use Macs to do actual payed work.


RE: Where's Tony?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/2011 11:20:26 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
WTF? How is Apple supposed to stop morons from voluntarily installing a virus on their machines?


How was Microsoft? And yet that didn't stop the Apple fanboi minions for bashing Windows and claiming it's security was poor.

Karma. It's a beautiful thing.


RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: Where's Tony?
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 12:56:44 PM , Rating: 2
...and Apple would have too, if it had a significant marketshare.

Stop continuing to fail with your willful ignorance about the insignificance of the Mac marketshare. You're not worth any hacker's time to pay attention to...and realistically still aren't, but you've apparently pissed off a couple 12 year-olds who have decided to just have fun with you anyway.


RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/2/2011 3:10:17 PM , Rating: 3
Though I'm on your side, I don't see anything wrong with that grammar. That's how the English language works. Its often awkward relative to other languages, but its still correct.

and would everyone quit it in general with grammatical/ spelling complaints - seriously THAT is what makes us all look like 12 year olds


RE: Where's Tony?
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 3:25:02 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed...that is something up with which we will not put!


RE: Where's Tony?
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 3:46:07 PM , Rating: 2
...and actually, not really.

When a professional journalist can't figure out when to use an apostrophe (hint: not for plurality), the difference between they're, there, and their, or between effect and affect, etc. it reflects very badly on them...and on the site publishing their work. Verily, it makes them look like...12 year olds.


RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/2/2011 4:09:45 PM , Rating: 2
i agree with the journalist part, but i was referring to everyone pulling the "well you didn't phrase your response to my post properly so i can't justify a response" card. to me its annoying and an admittance that they don't care/have the ability to form a decent rebuttal.

but i did appreciate your effort to ensure the preposition didn't end the sentence. that irks me, even though i'm guilty of it myself.


RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/3/2011 12:03:52 AM , Rating: 1
Sorry, it was more a backlash to the stream of posts that ignore any actual points... :)

"Stop continuing to fail with your willful ignorance about the insignificance of the Mac marketshare." My point was that continuing to fail with willful ignorance doesn't mean anything. I'd totally buy "Stop deluding yourself, the Mac market share is insignificant so nobody bothers targeting it."

Anyway, the $-% market share certainly is higher than the machines-% market share when you consider that the numbers thrown out are typically including ALL PC sales (business machines), and that they don't take into account affluence of owners, which should make Mac owners more tempting as targets given all of the surplus cash we have to throw around on unjustified Apple purchases.

I've seen this 1 actual malware (ok, and 1 that was stuck in a pirated version of iWork, so call it 2?) in the past 8 years that I've been on OS X. No virus. No worm. No rootkit / autorun / boot sector / etc. crud. If that's because Mac is too small of a target, good for Apple users. If/when a real virus shows up - say a browser exploit that does arbitrary code execution, then I'll be concerned too, OK? This current malware really doesn't raise the bar on danger for anyone not clicking to install every random app that asks them to click a button.

And Safari should never have had (and shouldn't continue to have...) the 'Automatically open safe files' option - that's just asking for trouble. What's a 'safe' file on the internet? Adobe has had PDF exploits in their reader, Microsoft has all kinds of Office viruses, long before you get to executables. If the file downloaded but didn't open, users probably wouldn't even notice it, let alone OK running it.


RE: Where's Tony?
By cjohnson2136 on 6/3/2011 8:12:49 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
in the past 8 years that I've been on OS X. No virus. No worm. No rootkit / autorun / boot sector / etc. crud.


FYI you can do the same thing with windows. I have two PCs one with antivirius and one with out. Neither have had any type of malware. These computers I have had for about 5 years now but the ones before that I never had any malware either. As long as the user is responsible you will almost never get something unless some hacks in, which can be done to OSX too.
quote:
Anyway, the $-% market share certainly is higher than the machines-% market share when you consider that the numbers thrown out are typically including ALL PC sales (business machines), and that they don't take into account affluence of owners, which should make Mac owners more tempting as targets given all of the surplus cash we have to throw around on unjustified Apple purchases.


Bad justification. If I was writing a virus or some type of malware to try and get money I wouldn't hit personal users. I would hit the companies. Big companies have money. Why hit the Apple market share which according to you is mainly personal users when I could hit Windows which has all these business with billions of dollars. It seems more lucrative to hit them.


RE: Where's Tony?
By guffwd13 on 6/3/2011 12:03:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
These computers I have had for about 5 years now but the ones before that I never had any malware either.


dude you need to get out more then... on the internet that is.... ;-)


RE: Where's Tony?
By bah12 on 6/2/2011 12:13:55 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
like say *cough* ActiveX *cough*, it actually requires people running the installer app.
Hey asshat, ActiveX doesn't run automatically either unless the user allows it too. So get off your high horse they are 2 sides of the same coin. Users are morons, so viruses are inevitable.


RE: Where's Tony?
By nikon133 on 6/3/2011 8:49:32 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe by centralizing application distribution. Like building in OS simple protection that will accept to run installer only after downloading it (or validating it in some way) with AppStore.


RE: Where's Tony?
By nxjwfgwe on 6/3/11, Rating: 0
RE: Where's Tony?
By spread on 6/2/2011 10:47:25 AM , Rating: 2
It's not broken, it's a feature. It installs surprise software, and it's free!

Mac. It just works.


RE: Where's Tony?
By chick0n on 6/2/2011 10:48:31 AM , Rating: 1
I can predict what Tony will say ...

"OH YEAH APPLE ONLY HAS 1 and WINDOWS HAS 100000000000000 !!! OH YEAH MAC IS SOOO SECURED ! OH YEA !"

Mac is so secured cuz no one use it before, now more idiots use it and "thought" they're safe.

This is probably the only time I support malware creators. Its time to teach these dumb shits a lesson. Like Tony. ROFL.


RE: Where's Tony?
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 8:29:43 PM , Rating: 2
See below. That is what he said.


RE: Where's Tony?
By rdhood on 6/2/2011 11:12:31 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple users, like PC users, are total tools


You just called just about everyone using a personal computer in the U.S. a "total tool". What a tool!


RE: Where's Tony?
By SkullOne on 6/2/2011 12:47:15 PM , Rating: 3
Notice how I said "most" in front of that quote. "Most" Mac and PC users are average joe users. They know nothing. They fall for the website that says OMGZ YOU'RE T3H 1nf3ct3d with a v1ru5!

So what I said was true. Most mac and PC users are tools especially when it comes to security.


RE: Where's Tony?
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/2011 2:38:43 PM , Rating: 2
And he never limited that to the U.S. either! :)


RE: Where's Tony?
By Tony Swash on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: Where's Tony?
By JW.C on 6/3/2011 3:55:09 AM , Rating: 2
Tony you're without a doubt one of the worlds biggest fools. I honestly feel sorry for you and the idiots that you parrot.


RE: Where's Tony?
By Tony Swash on 6/3/11, Rating: -1
RE: Where's Tony?
By cjohnson2136 on 6/3/2011 8:15:03 AM , Rating: 2
Actually I know quite a few Apple users that are switching to Windows because of these incident. So yes it is affecting people in the real world.


RE: Where's Tony?
By hexxthalion on 6/3/11, Rating: -1
not even a drop in a bucket
By superPC on 6/2/11, Rating: 0
By Treknologist on 6/2/2011 10:18:06 AM , Rating: 3
The difference is MS acknowledges the issue, is proactive about it, and provides software to protect its OS.


RE: not even a drop in a bucket
By XZerg on 6/2/2011 10:29:31 AM , Rating: 2
For an OS that's so widely used and so open to cater so many variety of software, MS does an awesome job. The problem with Apple is that they design their OS for few tasks and few tasks only and hence easy to tie in security measures better. Yet it fails to do so.

Not comparing apples to apples.


RE: not even a drop in a bucket
By jecs on 6/2/2011 10:34:30 AM , Rating: 2
Not in Apple defense because I really knew years ago OSX wasn't all that secured and I keep 3 back ups at least updating 2 of them every week. Because of possible attacks and because of disk failures.

That being said I think it should be noticed by all users that Apple security update included an option to create malware definitions for immediate or future modification in the malware behavior and faster possible response from Apple.

"Apple has already issued an update to detect the new variant, pushing out a new entry for "OSX.MacDefender.C" to the Xprotect.plist file that contains the signatures for identifying malware."

It doesn't change those facts on Apple's omissions or faults but please keep the distortion field less distorted and tell it like it is.


RE: not even a drop in a bucket
By nafhan on 6/2/2011 12:51:49 PM , Rating: 2
When was the last time MS implied or outright stated that their OS doesn't get malware? That's the difference...


RE: not even a drop in a bucket
By tecknurd on 6/2/2011 8:44:37 PM , Rating: 2
To re-quote your statement differently, "when was the last time Apple implied or outright stated their OS doesn't get malware."

The difference is you read the ads wrong. In fact Apple stated that they do NOT get as MANY malware as Windows or PC. This means Apple has fewer viruses compared to Windows which is very, very true.

I am sure that Microsoft or Bill Gates denied that his OS baby can not get viruses. Though that was in the old days when there is no protections.

I use GNU/Linux on a daily basis. I am afraid one day it will have malware. I have to update any programs and be smart what I click on. Any operating system can get viruses, but it is only a matter of time.


RE: not even a drop in a bucket
By Fritzr on 6/3/2011 1:10:09 AM , Rating: 2
There was a time when Microsoft didn't have viruses ... then someone wrote the first Microsoft virus...

Apple has maintained for years that their system is secure & does not require anti-virus protection.

Now they are providing basic protection for a limited set of attacks and instructing all authorized Apple support to tell users that Apple cannot assist with malware attacks.

In addition Apple support personnel are not permitted to confirm or deny that such malware even exists except as specifically permitted by Apple corporate HQ. Nor are they allowed to tell a customer if they discover that an Apple computer is infected as this is contrary to corporate policy.

Apple OS X is malware free with the exception of this single documented attack. OS X users can continue to run without malware protection due to the high se... obscurity of their operating system


RE: not even a drop in a bucket
By Fritzr on 6/3/2011 1:42:42 AM , Rating: 2
Just read a copy of the memo here: http://www.bgr.com/2011/05/20/apple-instructs-supp...

Oddly enough considering all the ranting about Apple not having any malware, Apple does instruct it's support personnel to tell customers to search for third party malware protection and to take no action other than insuring all patches are in place.

These instructions are similar to Microsoft. The main differences are that Microsoft support can tell a customer if a virus is confirmed and Microsoft includes advertised & recommended anti-malware protection as part of the operating system nowadays.

There are hints in these articles that Apple is now adding anti-malware as part of the OS also. Odd though that they demand that their support personnel keep quiet about the existence of known problems, including the built-in anti-malware support.


Passwords
By gamerk2 on 6/2/2011 9:23:58 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And like newer versions of the trojan, its crafted to no longer prompt users for a password to install, making the process of accidentally/carelessly installing the program much more subtle.


Remember the people saying that all Mac viruses needed the user ot input their user/pass? Guess not anymore, huh? Its really not that hard to break into the system and get the user pass, and its not hard to suppress the commands that do authentication.

As I said, 10% share would doom MacOS.




RE: Passwords
By Exodite on 6/2/2011 9:56:43 AM , Rating: 2
Luckily they're just at about 4.5% now, worldwide that is.


RE: Passwords
By mcnabney on 6/2/2011 10:21:09 AM , Rating: 3
The hackers finally realized that the stupid and affluent Mac community was too lucrative to pass up.


RE: Passwords
By cakiddo on 6/2/2011 4:00:01 PM , Rating: 2
Stick with Linux and you can 0wn


RE: Passwords
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 4:24:43 PM , Rating: 2
...own what, exactly? A machine with even less compatibility with the rest of the world than a Mac?

Yay.

Wine? Whatev. If you want to run Windows apps, run Windows.


RE: Passwords
By arsmitty86 on 6/6/2011 6:04:20 PM , Rating: 2
Linux is great. I love it... FOR SERVERS. Consumer linux OS's still have a long way to go before they're "ready" for primetime...


The fact of the matter is...
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 10:55:49 AM , Rating: 5
...that the Mac is still utterly irrelevant in terms of marketshare - they're around 5% or so. My guess is that they finally just pissed off a couple of hackers that are now targeting them just for spite...they're still not a target worthy of any kind of real attention.

If a virus brought down 10% of all Windows PCs worldwide, it would be utter chaos - businesses and governments worldwide unable to effectively function until they got it sorted out. If a virus brought down 100% of all Macs worldwide...a few hipsters would cry into their lattes for a while, and otherwise the world wouldn't even notice.

Ultimately it probably won't even make any difference to the Apple consumer base. They don't buy Apple products because of any *actual* virtue...they buy them because they're Apple products. If Apple Mac factories were shown to be lubricated by the blood of freshly-squeezed kittens, puppies and bunnies, the Apple consumer base would just shrug it off with some moronic anecdote involving "magic" and "ease of use" and place their next order.




RE: The fact of the matter is...
By psaus42 on 6/2/2011 11:29:33 AM , Rating: 2
The article made me laugh pretty hard. Your post made me laugh even harder!
Thank you, all, for this! My day is now complete. :)


RE: The fact of the matter is...
By neogrin on 6/2/2011 11:49:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If Apple Mac factories were shown to be lubricated by the blood of freshly-squeezed kittens, puppies and bunnies, the Apple consumer base would just shrug it off with some moronic anecdote involving "magic" and "ease of use" and place their next order.


I just had to repost that quote. I literally shot coffee out my nose laughing.


RE: The fact of the matter is...
By INeedCache on 6/2/2011 3:11:17 PM , Rating: 2
Man, those poor kittens, puppies, and bunnies. Does this man the new iMac will be blood red with fur trim? It would be magical!


RE: The fact of the matter is...
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 3:26:30 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed...and polished to a luxurious luster. With the tears of orphans. The orphans of the people who died making them.


By honkj on 6/2/2011 11:32:11 AM , Rating: 2
Apple put in a system to auto update the definitions of malware...

they didn't just put in one definition, so as this new variant of malware came out in 8 hours, it was defeated in even less time by the auto update of the X-protector system Apple installed....

in otherwords you missed completely what is going on.




By neogrin on 6/2/2011 11:55:03 AM , Rating: 2
But why do they even need an Update to protect against this, in the first place?!?

I had always heard that Macs were so much better then PCs that they were simply immune to Malware.

in otherwords you missed completely why people are having a field day with this.


By Motoman on 6/2/2011 11:57:11 AM , Rating: 3
He's an Apple consumer. By definition, he has missed out on a great many things. And further, by definition, reality is of no importance to him...so don't bother.


By KoolAidMan1 on 6/2/2011 11:52:11 PM , Rating: 1
Apple never said Macs were immune to malware, they said that they aren't susceptible to PC viruses. Trojans or any malware that fools a user into running it are a threat to any operating system, even UNIX based ones like OS X or any flavor of Linux. There are also the usual third-party plugins that are vectors for malware, Flash, Java, ActiveX in Windows, etc etc.

Apple always sold anti-malware applications in their own stores and .mac subscriptions came bundled with Norton AV before it changed to MobileMe.


By Fritzr on 6/3/2011 1:27:44 AM , Rating: 3
The Windows operating system is immune to Mac OS X viruses. Does this mean that Windows users do not need anti-virus software?

Microsoft has recommended use of anti-malware software & removal techniques beginning with the appearance of the first MS-DOS malware.

Apple has maintained that Mac OS X is secure and malware protection is not required. As was recently reported Apple customer support is required by corporate policy to NOT tell a customer when an Apple product is found to have malware installed and do nothing to modify or remove any malware found.

They are also required by corporate policy to completely ignore any question concerning malware on an Apple product. Actually they are instructed to neither confirm nor deny when a customer says or asks anything about malware on an Apple computer except as specifically allowed by Apple.

There may well be anti-malware products on the market. However many Apple owners do not purchase these products because Mac OS X is immune to Windows viruses. This "wisdom" is repeated regularly here and in many other forums by Apple owners who claim to be tech savvy.


By KoolAidMan1 on 6/3/2011 2:39:48 AM , Rating: 2
Viruses of any sort, "PC" or "Mac", are not really an issue for OS X or other Unix variants. Hell, they aren't really that much of an issue for Windows Vista or 7 either, now that every user isn't logged in as admin by default (big ups for UAC).

As any tech savvy person here knows, malware these days relies on either social engineering (a malicious application that fools users into running it as root/admin) or security holes in third party plugins like Flash, Java, or ActiveX. I'm not worried about getting viruses on my Windows 7 PC like I was in the early days of XP, but I sure as hell keep NOD32 running in case something slips through a web browser plug-in.

As for Apple techs not being permitted to offer support for MacDefender, it is clearly because a solution hadn't been approved or deployed yet. It has been out for over a week now, only a day or two after the story broke, and now they are clearly approved to give actual useful technical support how to remove it. Here, removal instructions from Apple up on May 24th, before the definitions patch even went up: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4650

It isn't digging heads in the sand, it is about not giving individual techs a solution before it is tested and approved for wide deployment. Apple needs to support all Macs and make sure they don't break them in the process, it is like the approval process any OEM or consumer electronics manufacturer has to go through.


Is it fair of me?
By retrospooty on 6/2/2011 9:11:31 AM , Rating: 3
I really despise these losers that write virus and malware and send it out into the world, yet for some reason, this time, on the Mac platform, I do not feel any negative feelings at all, just that its funny. Maybe I am not being fair LOL.




RE: Is it fair of me?
By Paj on 6/2/2011 9:13:08 AM , Rating: 2
I sort of agree. Hopefully this should put 'security through obscurity' to the death once and for all!


RE: Is it fair of me?
By DanNeely on 6/2/2011 10:21:13 AM , Rating: 2
Ahhh Schadenfreude


Contact Info?
By hkscfreak on 6/2/2011 4:29:05 PM , Rating: 3
Do we know who's behind this trojan? IRC channel so I can join them? Paypal link to donate? (/^.^)/




significant blow
By tastyratz on 6/2/2011 9:14:22 AM , Rating: 2
The perception of a virus free environment drives many mac sales, especially from people who just recovered from one. The mac is and has always been prone to virus's albeit less commonly. I hope this particular one drives the media to alter that common perception.




Absolutely freaking hilarious
By M4gery on 6/2/2011 10:44:01 AM , Rating: 2
I really cant wait to see the excuses from pro-apple people this time.




Easie cake
By marraco on 6/4/2011 12:58:19 PM , Rating: 2
And as fruity company has proven, money is far easier to take from "macs".




Seeing a lot of hate
By arsmitty86 on 6/6/2011 6:01:36 PM , Rating: 2
Which is understandable. I just wanted to point out that not EVERYONE who use Apples computers are completely stupid. I have both in my house and bought a Macbook Pro 13" after comparison cross shopping PC's. I do Linux/Unix and Vmware administration and wanted to have a *nix based operating system (BSD in this case) but didn't want to actually have to deal with all the BS running Linux at home entails (it's gotten a lot better but kernel updates still break graphics drivers and such). I wanted something with shell capabilities that was easy to use and that I could buy off the shelf standard software for without having to run WINE etc. For me, looking at the $900 aluminum 13" PC's and having the choice of running either Windows or Linux was out of the question when I could spend a couple hundred more and get a system with support that I didn't have to futz with. And FWIW OSX is really slick... It's great having a BSD based system that's so easy to use and pretty... But I wasn't stupid enough to not install an antivirus out of the box. That was the first thing I did. Unix security model is great but bad things can still happen and to think otherwise is retarded. I still have my PC too and use it when I need to use applications that I can't use on my Mac. It's silly to say something is crap just because you don't like it or don't have a need for it. I think tablets are useless for me but I can respect people that do.




this thread
By epollyon on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
ScareWare
By shompa on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: ScareWare
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 1:22:08 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Standard MacVirus:
Hi. I am a Mac virus. Please delete random files on your mac and resend this message to the top 50 in your mailing list.
Kind regards
Your Norwegian MacVirus.


Standard Mac user: "OK."


RE: ScareWare
By thelostjs on 6/2/2011 10:00:36 PM , Rating: 2
as a person interested in purchasing a new macbook. ive seen many people base similar decisions based on the answer to this question. can it play crisis?


RE: ScareWare
By Fritzr on 6/3/2011 1:56:36 AM , Rating: 2
http://www.bgr.com/2011/05/20/apple-instructs-supp...

Read the memo that is shown in the article linked above.

Apple policy is to neither confirm nor deny the existence of viruses. In addition, customers are advised to install 3rd party anti-malware software.

Since Mac OS X is secure and there are no viruses targeting Apple why is Apple recommending anti-malware for Mac OS X?

It would seem that the policy is to market a virus free image while quietly making money by selling third party virus protection/removal tools for their virus free OS.

Make your choice based on the software that you use, not on the supposed security of the OS.

I would trust the vendor that says "Yes our system has viruses, here is how you deal with them" over the vendor that says "No we have no viruses, but we would advise you to buy these anti-virus packages for our system"

You might want to keep that in mind when choosing, but in the end the software you use will determine which system is best for you.


RE: ScareWare
By MindParadox on 6/3/2011 4:31:26 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It would seem that the policy is to market a virus free image while quietly making money by selling third party virus protection/removal tools for their virus free OS.


ya know, im nost big on macs simply because of the jobs cult and all their idiocy, but read that sentence i quoted, please.

do you even have a clue what "third party" means? it means "a company NOT apple" so how would apple make money from the sales of third party programs?

just sayin


already fixed
By thornburg on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: already fixed
By M4gery on 6/2/2011 10:44:54 AM , Rating: 5
irrational hatred? Not so much. Most of it is well deserved.


RE: already fixed
By spread on 6/2/2011 10:49:48 AM , Rating: 3
My hatred of most things Apple is very much rooted in reality and experience.

They make good products, but nowhere near "magical" and the other marketing bullcrap that people like to parrot as if they're part of a cult.


RE: already fixed
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/2/2011 11:32:24 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I suppose that since 95% of the people here have an irrational hatred of Apple, you don't care, but I'd like to point out that by the time this story was posted, Apple released an update to the definitions that covers the new version.


Yes, and the hackers have probably renamed the file to something new yet again.

Did you read what has happened thus far? They are renaming/refactoring the program within a matter of hours to escape Apple's prohibitions... it's going to be out there still, don't fool yourself.


RE: already fixed
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 11:33:34 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
don't fool yourself.


Too late. Apple consumer. He can't be saved...just move on.


RE: already fixed
By neogrin on 6/2/2011 11:44:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
don't fool yourself.


But, then he wouldn't be an Apple user anymore.


RE: already fixed
By The Raven on 6/2/2011 11:37:08 AM , Rating: 1
The fact that there is a fix is irrelevant. There have pretty much always been relatively quick fixes for Windoze for 99% of malware out there. The reason people get hit is because they are don't update their machines (or antivirus SW for that matter) or practice safe computing practices (as is the case in this story).

Apple has long marketed their OS/hardware as "virus proof".
Even to this day... http://www.apple.com/why-mac/better-os/#viruses
Here they are basically saying that OSX needs the same protections that Windows does.

So why do their macinwashed customers just sit there and go "la la la" everytime a story like this pops up? Because they have their heads in the sand with a warm fuzzy feeling that all is well because Pope Steve I says so.


RE: already fixed
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/2/2011 2:52:09 PM , Rating: 2
It's not an OS security issue, it's social engineering as Kevin Mitnick has pointed out that most security violations are. "Hey, dude, Bob needs your password for a minute to update something..." If you give the person calling you the password, you're the weak link, not the authentication of whatever OS is being logged in to.

The new thing here is that the tainted search result pages are smart enough to return with an OSX looking page and installer package, which is a new thing, but at the end of the day nobody should be installing random crap that pops up in the web browser.

But to be clear, it's not a virus. User installed != virus or worm, which are way more problematic.


RE: already fixed
By cjohnson2136 on 6/2/2011 3:05:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And like newer versions of the trojan, its crafted to no longer prompt users for a password to install, making the process of accidentally/carelessly installing the program much more subtle.


As stated there it is no longer a social engineering problem if the trojan does not need your password to install itself. This is where Apple needs to set up its game and block it.


RE: already fixed
By The Raven on 6/2/2011 4:15:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's not an OS security issue, it's social engineering as Kevin Mitnick has pointed out that most security violations are. "Hey, dude, Bob needs your password for a minute to update something..." If you give the person calling you the password, you're the weak link, not the authentication of whatever OS is being logged in to.

Oh no don't get me wrong, this is exactly what I am saying. I did not mean to make it seem that I think MS is more secure than OSX. I was trying to convey that the security of the system is greatly dependent on the user and no one should get caught with their heads in the sand.
quote:
The reason people get hit is because they are don't update their machines (or antivirus SW for that matter) or practice safe computing practices (as is the case in this story) .


not the same Motoman
By motoman2WH3 on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: not the same Motoman
By Motoman on 6/2/2011 8:23:01 PM , Rating: 3
Over a decade and a half? Good thing you said it that way to obfuscate the fact that you're only talking about 15 years.

...which in any case, puts you about...oh, 10 years behind me.

As for the rest of your BS...it's BS. I respond to people in the manner which they have addressed me - if you're a reasonable person, I will treat you reasonably. If you're foaming at the mouth and slinging $h1t around, well, I can do that too.

And you're probably Pirks or Tony Swash or one of the retards in this thread who are currently gagging on Jobs' cockenballs, anyway.

So STFU and GTFO. And I mean that as constructive criticism.


Ugh
By TftInChi on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
DT articles
By hexxthalion on 6/3/11, Rating: -1
“Then they pop up and say ‘Hello, surprise! Give us your money or we will shut you down!' Screw them. Seriously, screw them. You can quote me on that.” -- Newegg Chief Legal Officer Lee Cheng referencing patent trolls














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