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Apple asked a bankruptcy judge if it could file a patent infringement lawsuit against Kodak yesterday

As if repeatedly attacking Samsung, HTC and Motorola Mobility with patent infringement lawsuits wasn't enough, Apple is now looking to kick Kodak while it's down with digital camera, printer and digital picture frame-related infringement suits as well.

Apple's Valentine's Day present to Kodak was a filing in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York yesterday, where Apple said it is filing patent infringement claims against Kodak with the International Trade Commission (ITC) as well as the U.S. District Court in Manhattan. Apple asked a bankruptcy judge for permission to sue Kodak first, despite the fact that filing for bankruptcy doesn't protect Kodak from infringement suits.

Apple had claimed before that it created a digital camera in the 1990's along with Kodak, but Kodak supposedly moved ahead with patenting the camera on its own. Apple had filed the case with the U.S. International Trade Commission in Washington, where the ITC rejected Apple's claims. Yesterday, Apple said in the filing that it wanted to move the case to Manhattan.

On January 19, 2012, Eastman Kodak announced that it had filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. The 131-year-old film giant filed in the federal bankruptcy court in the Southern District of New York after mentioning in November 2011 that it would be unable to pay its bills at some point in 2012 unless it stumbled upon some quick cash.

Just last week, Kodak announced that it was also bailing on the digital camera market as well as photo frames and pocket video recorders.

Kodak sent a patent infringement lawsuit back Apple's way last month, which also targeted Motorola Mobility. However, Apple argued that the ITC shouldn't even bother with the claims because of Kodak's bankruptcy filing and the sale of its patents. Kodak responded, saying that bankruptcy isn't stopping Kodak from expanding its digital imaging technology.

"Apple should not be using the bankruptcy to seek to disrupt Kodak's enforcement of its patents given that infringers like Apple, who continue to violate Kodak's intellectual property rights and refuse to properly compensate it, have contributed to Kodak's current circumstances," said Kodak.

Apple has been on a lawsuit crusade over the past year, mainly targeting Samsung. In April 2011, Apple began attacking Samsung with several patent infringement lawsuits in regards to the South Korean electronics maker's Galaxy S 4G, Epic 4G, Nexus smartphones and the Galaxy Tab 10.1. Apple claimed that these products imitate the iPhone and iPad.

Apple even successfully banned the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Australia and Germany, but Samsung finally lifted the ban in Australia in December 2011. Samsung is still having troubles in Germany, however.

Sources: ZDNet, Bloomberg



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Extremely misleading title
By tayb on 2/15/2012 2:33:48 PM , Rating: 5
Kodak sued first and this is the counter suit. This is how corporate lawsuits work. The fact that Kodak has declared bankruptcy in between the legal back and forth is unfortunate for Kodak but it certainly isn't predatory suing by Apple. This is an extremely misleading headline and the article isn't much better. This fact is barely mentioned.

Playing to the audience I suppose. Can't blame a media source for that.




RE: Extremely misleading title
By W00dmann on 2/15/2012 3:23:05 PM , Rating: 3
Actually you can, and should.


RE: Extremely misleading title
By jRaskell on 2/16/2012 6:28:33 PM , Rating: 2
You know, I can't help but think, it just doesn't matter. Given the reputation Apple has developed with it's overwhelming abundance of lawsuits, the headline is completely irrelevant. This is just yet another of the now innumerable 'Oh look, Apples has filed another lawsuit.' I sometimes wonder if Apple's legal department has some internal goal to bring Apple's lawsuit filings inline with their patent filings.

As far as I'm concerned, Apple can reap the reputation it's sowed.


#!#$ reporting again!
By hexxthalion on 2/15/2012 1:21:50 PM , Rating: 1
Dear Failytech, could you please stop this shit reporting, do your homework and then publish????

- Misleading headline
- failure to mention what is really going on
- who sued who first???




RE: #!#$ reporting again!
By W00dmann on 2/15/2012 3:42:21 PM , Rating: 2
Par for the course for Dailytech (unfortunately). One has to seriously question the scruples of the authors as well as their editors / owners for allowing such biased tripe to be produced for mass consumption each day.


RE: #!#$ reporting again!
By The0ne on 2/15/2012 3:57:40 PM , Rating: 2
It's Anandtech and thankfully it hasn't affected their main site. Yea yea yea, Anand will say they have nothing to do with it but that's like telling the majority of us we shouldn't and couldn't trace this info down >.>


RE: #!#$ reporting again!
By TakinYourPoints on 2/16/2012 12:30:34 AM , Rating: 2
Why hasn't Anand tossed these clowns yet? He has the best tech site anywhere and there's this trash on the sidebar. I'm sure he knows it too, given that he started doing "Pipline" recently. Next step is to just finish the job.


My opinion
By Goothry on 2/16/2012 8:58:13 AM , Rating: 2
Personally I don't think Apple taking lawsuits out against all these companies has anything to do with whether or not apple actually invented/patented the devices in question. I think it is more or less a strategy to delay a competitor's product and give time for Apple's product time to flood and dominate the market. I see it as a race for these companies to reach customers first and build a fan base or fanboys from the start. If you use an iphone, ipad, ipod first you're probably more likely to keep using those products, and that's exactly what Apple knows and is trying to facilitate.




patents suck
By Darksurf on 2/16/2012 3:26:12 PM , Rating: 2
I hate everyone misusing patents. I hate patents. patents and the patent system should die!! I hate all the suing, its all stupid! Everyone is just trying to kill competition... EVEN IF THEY AREN'T COMPETING IN THE SAME PRODUCT RACE! if you patent something and don't use it.... U should lose your rights to the patent. You should have a working model before you can patent anything! then using the working model to make your patent! No vague patents (if any at all!).




Not the whole story
By Phynaz on 2/15/12, Rating: -1
RE: Not the whole story
By Phynaz on 2/15/12, Rating: 0
RE: Not the whole story
By tastyratz on 2/15/2012 1:01:57 PM , Rating: 2
no the article is slanting it as anti apple playing Kodak for the victim. I myself might be anti Apple, but Kodak picked a fight they cant afford to finish here. Attacking with patents 20+ years after the fact should remove their right to sue. If Kodak has been violating for that long and Apple didn't say anything till now, they approve by absence.

But then again nobody ever accused the us patent system of being perfect.


RE: Not the whole story
By Theoz on 2/15/2012 1:17:31 PM , Rating: 2
While I mostly agree with you that Kodak wrote a check it can't afford to cash, patents don't, and shouldn't, become worthless just because you haven't used them to sue. For instance, imagine an individual inventor that can't afford to sue Microsoft (a somewhat unlikely example since he can certainly get a lawyer to take the case on contingency) or otherwise doesn't want to bring a lawsuit. He can still shop his patent around to a buyer that will invest in the lawsuit and "cash out" his patent.

The issue you bring up is one of latches. The plaintiff probably won't be able to get the full amount of damages, just likely the past 5-7 years' worth of damages.


RE: Not the whole story
By Tony Swash on 2/15/12, Rating: 0
RE: Not the whole story
By CZroe on 2/15/2012 1:09:43 PM , Rating: 2
Not really sure what kind of "agreement" could be worked out. Kodak is broke and leaving the disputed market anyway. Any monetary reward for past violations is likely not collectable. I imagine that it's more to assert their co-ownership of digicam patents that Kodak has long held before they go down with the ship.


RE: Not the whole story
By Jeffk464 on 2/15/12, Rating: 0
RE: Not the whole story
By Tony Swash on 2/15/12, Rating: -1
RE: Not the whole story
By Motoman on 2/15/12, Rating: -1
RE: Not the whole story
By messele on 2/15/12, Rating: 0
RE: Not the whole story
By Motoman on 2/15/2012 2:05:06 PM , Rating: 2
Oh yes, the perpetual call for "evidence" from the Apple faithful.

I stopped doing that a long time ago. Used to be I'd go through and link all kinds of stuff about Apples bad designs, their poor quality, price comparisons, so on and so forth.

But I learned eventually that it doesn't matter. I can present all the proof in the world, but you'll not change your opinion - because your position isn't based in facts to begin with.

I tired a long time ago of Apple fanatics ignoring the reality that was staring them in the face. The internet is absolutely awash in proof of how awful Apple is - you don't get to keep denying it.

Not doing your little "Evidence" dance anymore. You already know better.


RE: Not the whole story
By TakinYourPoints on 2/16/2012 12:24:47 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I stopped doing that a long time ago.


Surely it was well before I started coming here. Everything you say is driven by intuition, emotion, and personal opinion. I don't expect facts nor logic from someone so hysterical.


RE: Not the whole story
By Motoman on 2/16/2012 3:15:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Surely it was well before I started coming here.


While it strikes me as quite possible that you were born yesterday, the obvious fact of the matter is that DT isn't the one and only place on the internet that disseminates such information.

You have no valid basis for pretending not to be "aware" of the vast multitudes of articles on the internet describing the many problems that Apple has traditionally faced. Your continued willful ignorance is your problem - not mine. Effing google it.

And apparently you've no idea what either "logic" or "hysterical" means - because for you to insist you've *never* seen any information presented about Apple's problems is wildly illogical...and if I was hysterical I'd be typing out messages that looked like they came from Mike Tyson just before he bit someone's ear off.


RE: Not the whole story
By hexxthalion on 2/15/2012 2:01:57 PM , Rating: 2
WOW!!! so much stupidity in such relatively short comment, well done!!!


RE: Not the whole story
By TakinYourPoints on 2/16/2012 12:28:08 AM , Rating: 2
Motoman makes his clients buy inferior AMD components because he genuinely believes that Intel is evil.

Anyone who ascribes moral character to a multibillion dollar tech company and ruthlessly judges people based on their buying decisions is messed up in the head.

Stupidity in short bursts is par for the course with this guy, just watch.


RE: Not the whole story
By Motoman on 2/16/2012 3:04:49 PM , Rating: 2
Excuse me? Are you seriously telling me that it's not OK for me to choose not to support Intel when they are convicted criminals? Really? I don't get to choose not to support those who unabashedly choose to flaunt the law?

Huh. And you're accusing me of outbursts of stupidity.

Let's go to the worldwide audience and see who is generally thought of as stupid...you or me. Check your overall post rating. Then check mine. So who, exactly, is generally thought of by the overall population to be stupid?

Answer: not me.


RE: Not the whole story
By TakinYourPoints on 2/16/2012 7:08:23 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Check your overall post rating. Then check mine. So who, exactly, is generally thought of by the overall population to be stupid?


I'll say it again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

This forum is primarily an Android circlejerk. I wouldn't expect to get a balanced view on the XBox from a Playstation forum either.

You are an even more deluded fanboy than I thought if you believe that your narrow "Intel and Apple are evil" viewpoint in any way represents or is relevant to the mainstream.


RE: Not the whole story
By Motoman on 2/17/2012 1:08:33 AM , Rating: 2
The problem is that you're trying to apply that with your own bias - which is that you're convinced that *your* version of reality is correct, while actual reality must be false.

Also, for the record, I have never uttered the phrase that "Apple and/or Intel is evil." You made that up on your own.

If you think this public forum, which doesn't do the slightest control over who can post what, is an unfairly biased forum...go somewhere else. You seem to crave only to force people to accept your distorted perceptions, and aren't interested in reality...so you might find yourself enjoying a forum somewhere populated only by Macolytes. I'm sure they're around.

You may notice that I am frequently at odds with others on these forums, on multiple topics...if I was seeking "confirmation bias" I sure as hell wouldn't be here. However, because this is a public forum with no controls on who posts what, it is telling to see that over the course of many years and thousands of posts, the general population finds my views to be significantly more valid than average (in fact, every time I post a note that doesn't get rated above the standard 2, my rating drops a bit) - while your all-time rating, like that of Pirks and Tony Swash, is pathetically low.

You are the one that came out accusing me of being stupid. It is eminently clear that the general population feels that it is you who is stupid. That's all there is to say about that.

...feel free to leave if you don't like it. We won't miss you.


RE: Not the whole story
By TakinYourPoints on 2/17/2012 2:14:07 AM , Rating: 2
Confirmation bias definitely exists here given that this place has an extreme and imbalanced editorial stance.

Popular opinions here do not represent the mainstream. Hell, I'm a HUGE hardware guy and I know that my purchasing habits don't represent anything close to the mainstream, and your pitchfork mentality towards Apple and Intel is as loony fringe as it gets.

If you go to a place that endorses racism, the most racist posters would be the most highly voted. Having a high rating here doesn't mean much except that you are aligned with the hivemind. Anyone could rack up 3-5 rated posts by railing on the usual targets that Mick and Co targets.

quote:
...feel free to leave if you don't like it. We won't miss you.


Oh, believe me, I try, but I scroll down on Anandtech (an actual good tech site with excellent articles and editorials) and this silly place is still here, then my "let's look at the trainwreck" curiosity draws me to see what you and the rest of the shortbus riders have to say.


RE: Not the whole story
By TakinYourPoints on 2/16/2012 8:04:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Are you seriously telling me that it's not OK for me to choose not to support Intel when they are convicted criminals?


Choosing inferior products so you can feel morally superior is idiotic.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you're a clown.


RE: Not the whole story
By Motoman on 2/17/2012 1:00:43 AM , Rating: 2
Choosing to support a convicted criminal organization is idiotic. There's nothing inferior about the user experience when using an AMD CPU vs. an Intel. Only useless people spend their time worrying about benchmark scores. The indisputable fact of the matter is that there is no subjective difference in the user experience...period.

As always, the entirety of your existence is invalid. You've proven once again what a "clown" you are and, when backed into a corner realizing you have no factual recourse, you just start projecting your own inadequacies on those around you.

You're a very sad little person. And an embarrassment to the human race. You can keep ignoring reality all you want to, and you can keep lashing out at others all you like, but it's not ever going to change the basic truth that you're a waste of space.


RE: Not the whole story
By TakinYourPoints on 2/17/2012 2:06:55 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Only useless people spend their time worrying about benchmark scores.


I play games, I need performance. Price:performance is better with Intel, has been since the Core 2 dropped. AMD had it locked up from 1998-2005, but that time seems to be over.

Anyway, I still have to laugh at the guy selling his customers second rate products because of his moral high horse.

Almost anyone here values performance, it is just the fanboys who disregard it irrationally, ie - Intel's speed doesn't matter, who cares that the A5 is the fastest mobile SoC around, etc etc etc. You epitomize the rabid fanboy. I'm not used to seeing your type outside of kiddy console forums.

"Performance doesn't matter except in benchmarks", man, talk about reality distortion...


RE: Not the whole story
By Motoman on 2/17/2012 9:38:30 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
"Performance doesn't matter except in benchmarks", man, talk about reality distortion...


It doesn't.

If I'm getting 80 FPS in a game with CPU #1, and I can get 100FPS with CPU #2...the subjective difference to the user is...nothing.

And BTW, I'm not sure how you think retail works in this universe...maybe it works differently in your universe where vendors just jump out of the bushes, force you to buy something you didn't want, and then take your money by force.

Here's basically how it works in the actual world:

Customer: Hey, I want a new PC.
Me: OK, let me give you a couple quotes for a couple different options. Here you go (2 options with AMD CPUs in each).
Customer: I'll take option #2. Thanks!

Number of times anyone's ever said "no, I want an Intel CPU instead of AMD" over the past ~10 years: 0.

Number of times anyone's opted to buy a PC from someone else because they didn't want an AMD CPU: 0.

Number of times they've gone and bought something else because of price: A handful. "No, I'm not going to 'price match' the $300 Dell special at Wal-Mart."

Virtually everyone who is my customer becomes a repeat buyer. Including the gamers...who are over the moon with the gaming experience they get from their AMD-based gaming rigs.

The only person who's intent on sucking Intel's cock right now is you. Real people in the real world really don't care.


RE: Not the whole story
By Motoman on 2/17/2012 9:47:41 AM , Rating: 2
Oh, and as for your continued insistence that I must be buying AMD instead of Intel so that I can feel "morally superior" - which is a phrase and sentiment you manufactured yourself, and keep repeating...

As noted Intel is a convicted criminal organization. Period. Matter of public record.

You also keep insisting that AMD is "inferior" to Intel. The truth is that at any given price point, it's about the same. And it categorically makes no subjective difference to the user...there is nothing inherently "inferior" about a PC with an AMD CPU vs. an Intel CPU.

I choose not to support them because of that. You assert that no one should ever choose not to do business with someone because they are a convicted criminal.

Let's say that you have 2 options to buy a new car. Dealership #1 sells cars you'd like to own, but that company was recently found to be selling crack to elementary school kids as extra income. Dealership #2 also has some cars that would appeal to you...and they happen to have no criminal record at all.

You insist that the selling crack to kids bit is irrelevant...that it should never be considered in your purchase decision. If that's your position, and it seems that it is, then you are an inferior human being and your opinion is invalid. Well...but that is something we already knew.

Note that back in the day, when Via/Cyrix was still around, I wasn't generally offering anyone a machine built with a C3 processor...since it was a noticeably slower part at any price point. That isn't true with AMD. Hasn't been since before the K6-2.


RE: Not the whole story
By Tony Swash on 2/15/12, Rating: -1
RE: Not the whole story
By rocky12345 on 2/15/2012 6:30:47 PM , Rating: 4
I think instead of always defending Apple like they do no wrong you should start actually looking at what they are trying to do to others in the industry. If they can not beat them they sue them out of business or at least try to.

Yes sometimes Apple has good reason to sue to protect it's IP but as of late not so much. They seem to think they invented everything that has at some point be done by others already. They slap some lip stick on it & say look we invented the wheel or whatever they seem to think is cool at the time & you fanboys will always say hey look everyone else is copying Apple yet again.

I was reading about the new Samsung 55 OLED TV this morning & as always I went to look at the comments & low & behold some fanatic said look Samsung is copying Apples iTV because Samsung was using very shallow bezels on the new unit. I was like umm what iTV is not even sold yet & probably will not be until near the end of 2012 if ever & some fool has the gull to say Samsung copied Apple's iTV design. For the record Samsung has be using that design for a very long time on their high end LED LCD TV's.

So I guess it does not matter who makes what if Apple also makes the same type of product then every one else is copying Apple & of coarse Apple will sue them until they either get forced out of business or bow down & kiss Apples feet. On another point why is it that Apple feels that when someone they think is using their IP they can sue but if Apple does the same thing they will fight tooth & nail to get what they want for free without having to pay the actual inventor's anything.

This is a double standard that Apple does they don't want to compete with other companies & use the legal system & lame patents to get products banned from store shelves. If their products are so good then maybe they should fight the good fight & see what the consumers want to buy. I think tht is why most here are so anti Apple is because of the way Apple conducts their business.

I myself would like to have an Apple iPod touch as I think they work fairly well but because of their business practices that will not be happening any time soon. I thought that maybe after Mr jobs passed away that they would change their ways but if anything they have gotten worse since his unfortunate death.

If they cleaned up their act & acted more like a responsible company & stopped using the child in a play ground approach maybe we all would be better off at the end of the day.

just my 2 cents worth


RE: Not the whole story
By Cheesew1z69 on 2/15/2012 6:50:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I think instead of always defending Apple like they do no wrong you should start actually looking at what they are trying to do to others in the industry
LOL! This will NEVER happen. LOL

Look who you are trying to tell this to...


RE: Not the whole story
By Tony Swash on 2/15/12, Rating: -1
RE: Not the whole story
By abhaxus on 2/15/2012 10:25:48 PM , Rating: 3
You probably don't have an experience selling CE devices. The first time you have a customer tell you they daily use youtube to show their videos (their work) to clients and agents, that they use navigation on their device to guide them to gigs and places to hang out in strange cities for months out of the year, and they correspond with other artists via email with mp3 files, yet still want an iPhone, you will realize Apple has got people brainwashed.

customer: "I use my phone to show youtube music videos to friends and industry contacts regularly."
me: "Well, I think you should take a look at one of our android devices. They mostly feature large screens that are great for showing videos to a crowd. And they usually have 4G speeds, which will help with the quality and buffering on your videos."
customer: "Well, I'm really interested in the iPhone. It seems like the best phone."
Me: "Given what you just said, the best phone for you probably is not the iPhone. It has the smallest screen of any flagship level device. It also has 3G speeds only, so it will only get its best performance on wifi."
(customer pulls up their videos on youtube on GS2 and iPhone. iPhone is clearly pixelated and showing a lower bitrate video and because of the aspect ratio, the small screen has a black frame around the video making the screen even smaller.)
Customer: "Wow, the iPhone looks great! This is so clear! But this galaxy 2 phone looks pretty good too, I guess. Why does it look like the iPhone is blocky, and why is the sound not as good?"
Me: "Because the 3G on the iPhone can't handle the higher quality video and audio that Youtube defaults to on a better connection."
Customer: "Hmm. Let me think about it."
(a few minutes later)
Me: "Also, one thing I though of just now about our conversation. You drive regularly to your shows, right? Do you use a GPS or your phone? Because the iPhone doesn't feature navigation included, and requires a third party app that will probably cost money."
Customer: "Really? Hmm. Let me think about it."
(a few more minutes)
Customer: "I think I want the iPhone 4S. I'm so excited I'm getting the best phone!"

This happens multiple times a day in various forms.


RE: Not the whole story
By Jeffk464 on 2/15/2012 11:18:41 PM , Rating: 2
Yup sheeople, its the me to crowd. My friends all have iPhones so I must have an iPhone.


RE: Not the whole story
By Tony Swash on 2/16/2012 4:21:27 AM , Rating: 1
And yet oddly ( from your world view) even after people buy thier phones all surveys of post purchase satisfaction consistently show that iPhone users have much higher levels of satisfaction compared to Android handset buyers.

As I said iPhobics live in a delusional world where real world evidence counts for nothing and Apple's success and the success of their products is some sort of mistake brought about by voodoo marketing.

Time to go back on your medication perhaps.


RE: Not the whole story
By bigboxes on 2/16/2012 9:10:33 AM , Rating: 2
"You're holding it wrong." RIH


RE: Not the whole story
By rocky12345 on 2/16/2012 11:51:31 AM , Rating: 2
"As I said iPhobics live in a delusional world where real world evidence counts for nothing and Apple's success and the success of their products is some sort of mistake brought about by voodoo marketing."

I guess it is like another person here tried to warn me about. You only can see anything from one angle & even when countless people have shown you over & over again the many underhanded things Apple has done in the past. You either blindly defend them or change the subject & try to twist everyone's words to suite your needs. You sir are totally brain washed & I see no point in farther engaging in any kind of topic with you as you most likely walk around this world with your eye's closed & live in a world where everyone else is guilty except Apple.

There are many reports around that state facts about Apple but yet when these facts are put in front of you all you can most of the time come up with is calling every one iPhobics & almost never actually state anything that is useful that would explain to us why Apple is the way they are.

It is a proven point that Apple has a double standard when it comes to how they conduct their business but in your eye's this is ok but if another company does it to Apple then in your eye's it is not ok. I am sick of hearing or reading about Apple suing this company or that company for lame patents that should have not been granted or on patent ideas Apple stole form others that were invented years before Apple even thought up the idea in the first place. Yes other companies sometimes do the same thing but in most cases those companies are fined & forced to either give up the patent or license it out to other competing companies. In Apples case they simple refuse to license their patents out or they take others work tear it apart come up with a slick new coat of paint for it put a patent on another persons or companies idea & call it their own. They have dome this time & time again yet they are defended by people like you for doing it.

You will say oh reality check or something stupid like that when & if you decide to answer this post but I am pretty sure you will just side step the issue & dribble something in Apples defense yet again.

I really am going to hate it if Apple actually does get into TV's because from that point on everyone will be saying Apple created the TV & everyone else is copying them yet again. As stated in my last post some shallow brain waved guy already posted something like that in a Samsung HDTV article so don't say it won't happen because it is already starting.

As for you saying the iPhone user base are the happiest bunch that's to funny. I got 2 friends that got iPhone 4 S both of them totally hate the phones but they are stuck on long contracts & have to keep them for at least a year before switching to something else. They both most likely got sucked into that Siri crap but soon realized it is almost useless.

Oh please explain to me where Apple gets off trying to sue google for what was it voice search or something like that. You do realize google has had that long before Apple ever thought of it & I am not talking about on a phone I was doing it on my PC from Googles search long before Apple released the iPhone or even got some half baked patent for it. I guess its not who you know but who you pay off.

Anyways either respond or don't I do not care
I most likely will not reply back anyway as it seems to be a waste of time to do so.


RE: Not the whole story
By Tony Swash on 2/16/2012 4:21:55 AM , Rating: 2
And yet oddly ( from your world view) even after people buy thier phones all surveys of post purchase satisfaction consistently show that iPhone users have much higher levels of satisfaction compared to Android handset buyers.

As I said iPhobics live in a delusional world where real world evidence counts for nothing and Apple's success and the success of their products is some sort of mistake brought about by voodoo marketing.

Time to go back on your medication perhaps.


RE: Not the whole story
By abhaxus on 2/17/2012 2:51:16 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not iPhobic. I'm realistic. Apple's policies towards the industry in general will kill innovation. Rather than innovate, they litigate. While I personally think the iPhone is usually representative of the latest and greatest in phone hardware, that isn't really the case this time around with the 4S.

And while I obviously have no evidence to support this, I think if you surveyed customers of flagship level, premium devices, the results would be very close between iPhone and android. It's unfair to compare the results of a survey of people who own an LG Optimus to people who own an iPhone. Even the 3GS which is now free, was once the flagship phone from Apple. It still has excellent build quality and a good selection of apps optimized for it.

I'd be very interested to see the level of customer satisfaction between owners of a GS2 vs a 4S. Honestly, hardware wise that is the only fair comparison on the market right now and I bet the results are pretty close. I can't pull my phone out anywhere without people asking about it, even in non tech crowds.


RE: Not the whole story
By TakinYourPoints on 2/16/12, Rating: 0
"Paying an extra $500 for a computer in this environment -- same piece of hardware -- paying $500 more to get a logo on it? I think that's a more challenging proposition for the average person than it used to be." -- Steve Ballmer














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