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The Galaxy Tab 10.1 (right) is currently banned from sales in Australia, pending the result of Apple's lawsuit against Samsung. No reports of the iPad being banned have arrived yet.  (Source: Daily Mobile)

Apple CEO Steve Jobs has proudly admitted to "stealing" ideas from competitors, but argues that Android "steals" from his company's ideas and shouldn't be allowed to, legally.  (Source: Jim Wilson/The New York Times)
Company will repay Samsung for lost revenue if it loses the case

Apple, Inc. (AAPL) has scored a major victory in latest round of lawsuits [1][2] courtesy of a ban on Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd.'s (SEO:005930) Australian Android tablet sales.  

Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Android platform is outselling the iPhone 2 to 1 and is growing at a faster pace than Apple.  So Apple is now trying to stifle its competitor with lawsuits.  It is currently suing all three [1][2][3] of the world's largest Android handset makers.

This week, Samsung agreed to cease sales and advertising of its Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Australia, pending the outcome of a suit Apple filed against it in Australian court.  The suit is one of many that Apple has filed against Samsung in international courts.  

Like the other suits, in this one Apple contends that Samsung "slavishly" worked to steal its intellectual property, including its patented iPad design -- a thin rectangular tablet with a glass screen and black bezel.  Apple also claims Samsung stole its touchscreen technology.  In all 10 of Apple's patents are cited as being infringed.

Steven Burley, a lawyer for Apple, says the ban on sales was necessary as Samsung made "announcements of an imminent launch of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 device ongoing since July 20."

So far Samsung has not made similar agreements in the North America, Europe, or Asia.  However, Apple is pursuing a preliminary injunction banning sales in these regions.

Samsung is countersuing Apple.  The company has one of the world's largest patent portfolios and holds more U.S. patents than Apple.  Thus some legal experts believe Apple may have picked an intellectual property fight with the wrong company.

Apple chief executive and co-founder, Steven P. Jobs has bragged about his mastery of stealing ideas from others, stating [video], "Picasso had a saying - 'Good artists copy, great artists steal.' And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas." 

Mr. Jobs contends Android handset makers like Samsung, HTC, and Motorola should not be allowed to "steal" the iPad and iPhone's copyrighted look and designs.  

Critics have contended that Apple's patents are so broad that they cover every smart phone and tablet in existence today, as well as non-mobile devices like personal computers.

Apple has agreed to pay Samsung unspecified damages for lost sales, if it loses the case.  It is unclear if this agreement would cover lost sales in the case of a "draw" -- a scenario, which could occur if both companies win their respective lawsuits, forcing a cross-licensing agreement. 



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Abusing the patent system
By dgingeri on 8/1/2011 12:19:51 PM , Rating: 5
Apple has been abusing the patent system to prevent competitors from even getting into the markets. I mean, really, patenting a form factor of a "thin rectangle with black bezel"?!?! That should not have a patent!




By cjohnson2136 on 8/1/2011 12:22:37 PM , Rating: 2
which is why patent reform is needed. All the patent office does is give you the patent and then let the courts handle if it is valid or not. It would be pretty funny to see Apple lose a lot of its patents because of this.


RE: Abusing the patent system
By FITCamaro on 8/1/2011 12:40:55 PM , Rating: 2
Not like it describes nearly every LCD screen in existence.....wait......


RE: Abusing the patent system
By LSUJester on 8/1/2011 2:46:58 PM , Rating: 5
I have a Samsung TV in my living room. I hold the Tab sideways in front of my eyes, and guess what? They are both rectangular and black. Samsung should sue themselves!


RE: Abusing the patent system
By Omega215D on 8/2/2011 3:31:15 AM , Rating: 3
Judging by how quickly you were rated down after having a higher rating it seems that the damn fanboys from Engadget are flooding this site now.


RE: Abusing the patent system
By SunAngel on 8/1/11, Rating: 0
RE: Abusing the patent system
By ejaymd11 on 8/1/2011 2:20:58 PM , Rating: 1
So what you are saying is Apple, and only Apple should have rights to make anything rectangular? You do realize if it's round it's not a tablet? Also Apple did not invent the tablet design!!


RE: Abusing the patent system
By Dirk88 on 8/1/11, Rating: 0
RE: Abusing the patent system
By bupkus on 8/1/2011 3:55:36 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
This is done on purpose. I'm not blind. I go to Costco and see the Android devices at the Verizon kiosk, and they try to make them all look like an iPhone.
Are you suggesting Samsung is involved in counterfeiting? Does the Samsung tablet have an Apple logo? One can easily differentiate a Samsung from an Apple.


RE: Abusing the patent system
By Mudhen6 on 8/1/2011 4:01:05 PM , Rating: 5
The bezel is approximately the same size for functional reasons. You can't have a touchscreen, edge-to-edge tablet - how would you hold the device without confusing the touch sensors?

In the same vein, you cannot simply halve the width of the bezel; you must design the width of the bezel to account for the size of the average human hand.

Apple fanbois seem to lack the intellect to understand that the designs/specs of devices tend to converge because of use and function, not because everyone is copying each other. For example, the previous suggestion to make a "round" tablet is laughable. There are not enough downvotes in the internet to describe how idiotic that idea is.


RE: Abusing the patent system
By SunAngel on 8/1/2011 4:33:26 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
For example, the previous suggestion to make a "round" tablet is laughable. There are not enough downvotes in the internet to describe how idiotic that idea is.


+1


RE: Abusing the patent system
By Dark Legion on 8/3/2011 10:50:45 AM , Rating: 2
O.o Wasn't that your suggestion? At any rate, smartphones and tablets had been out for years in very similar form factors before Apple released the iPad or iPhone, as people have pointed out before me.


RE: Abusing the patent system
By redbone75 on 8/3/2011 11:40:32 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
At any rate, smartphones and tablets had been out for years in very similar form factors before Apple released the iPad or iPhone, as people have pointed out before me.

Agreed. People seem to forget the LG Prada and many of HTC's own designs before Apple even released the iPhone. It is indisputable that the design of slate style smartphones was trending towards a front dominated by a large screen with minimal buttons. It's ludicrous to believe Apple has the right to do the same thing everyone else was doing and then try to prevent them from continue doing the same thing.


RE: Abusing the patent system
By Dirk88 on 8/1/11, Rating: 0
RE: Abusing the patent system
By Mudhen6 on 8/1/2011 9:03:47 PM , Rating: 3
Looks like you don't know wtf you're talking about.

quote:
Who says that the whole screen needs to be touch responsive? If Samdung made the screen go to the edge, it could still allow the user to grab the device. Heck, the user could decide how much of the screen is touch sensitive. That would be better than Apple, and wow, it would actually give the Phandroidboi more to fiddle with, which is what they seem to like. They could make the bezel aluminum instead of black. Gee, do I really need to come up with this stuff?


Firstly, its not a matter of "creativity," but function. It doesn't matter how stupidly you can misspell "Samdung."

Secondly, websites are designed to be viewed on rectangular screens, with the elements of the user interface (e.g. the Address Bar, Search, Back, Forward, Reload, etc.) placed either on the top or bottom borders of the screen. Implementing "dead zones" on an edge-to-edge tablet screen to functionally replace the bezel will not work because the browser UI elements will either fall within the dead zone or they'd be free-floating an inch from the tablet's border (meaning that users will have to scroll around these elements anyway, defeating edge-to-edge).

The point is, it's absolutely retarded that Apple's patent for the iPad (a rectangular-shaped thing with a 1-in black bezel) is actually being enforced.


RE: Abusing the patent system
By Tony Swash on 8/2/2011 6:33:20 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The bezel is approximately the same size for functional reasons. You can't have a touchscreen, edge-to-edge tablet - how would you hold the device without confusing the touch sensors?

In the same vein, you cannot simply halve the width of the bezel; you must design the width of the bezel to account for the size of the average human hand.

Apple fanbois seem to lack the intellect to understand that the designs/specs of devices tend to converge because of use and function, not because everyone is copying each other. For example, the previous suggestion to make a "round" tablet is laughable. There are not enough downvotes in the internet to describe how idiotic that idea is.


Have you read the list of patents that Apple claims Samsung has infringed?

As fas I can see they don't mention the bezel or any other physical characteristic of the device, all the infringed patents relate to the touch interface and when Apple launched the iPhone and iOS back 2007 they did say at the time they had taken out 200 plus patents and those patents would be defended.

These are the Australian patents Apple alleges Samsung infringed:

Standard Patents
- 2008201540: List scrolling and document translation, scaling, and rotation on a touch-screen display
- 2005246219: Multipoint touchscreen
- 2007283771: Portable electronic device for photo management
- 2009200366: List scrolling and document translation, scaling, and rotation on a touch-screen display
- 2007286532: Touch screen device, method and graphical user interface for determining commands by applying heuristics

Innovation Patents
- 2008100283: List scrolling and document translation, scaling, and rotation on a touch-screen display
- 2008100372: Electronic device for photo management
- 2009100820: Unlocking a device by performing gestures on an unlock image
- 2008100419: Unlocking a device by performing gestures on an unlock image
- 2008101171: Portable electronic device for imaged-based browsing of contacts


RE: Abusing the patent system
By Mudhen6 on 8/2/2011 7:31:15 AM , Rating: 2
I was responding to Dirk88, who said something to the effect of "Serves Samdung right, even the bezel is the same in the Galaxy, why can't they halve it, blah blah..."


RE: Abusing the patent system
By Stuka on 8/1/2011 4:36:14 PM , Rating: 1
I'm pretty sure there's no half eaten apple on the back of the Samsung.. therefore any would be consumer observing a person utilizing either device in public would immediately be aware of which product they were seeing. If I see someone using a tablet on a bus I will most likely NOT be staring over their shoulder when I ask, "Where can I get one?" Therefore, a device cannot be judged from the screen side as it is bound by the constraints of human interaction, materials, video format, and economics of production. Displays have had bezels for over half a century, thus Apple's claims are baseless as the design is pre-existing and obvious!

Can you patent the flat underside of a computer mouse?

Flip the tablets over, let's compare the other side.


By MechanicalTechie on 8/1/2011 11:18:31 PM , Rating: 2
Are you serious?? My word what sort of short-sighted apple fan boy wanna be are you??? As an aussie i am ashamed of this verdict. Apple is killing innovation and destorying the market place... I for one have no respect for a company that does business like apple.


RE: Abusing the patent system
By room200 on 8/1/2011 12:44:27 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
thin rectangle with black bezel


Damn, I guess now I have to get rid of my LED flatscreen televsion, my sapphire crystal Movado watch, and many of my picture frames.


RE: Abusing the patent system
By Uncle on 8/1/2011 1:02:10 PM , Rating: 5
The more money apple makes the more retarded it behaves. You either love em or hate em. I boycott apple like i do sony both have the same mentality-ARROGANCE- towards their customers.


RE: Abusing the patent system
By gorehound on 8/1/2011 1:47:16 PM , Rating: 5
I boycott Apple and their arrogant way of business.This company has become 1984 big brother just like their old add but for real.They are not a cool computer comapny but leeches and patent trolls.They stifle their competition by lawsuits not by quality.
Kiss My Corgi's ass Jobs and you will love his poop.


RE: Abusing the patent system
By Jeffk464 on 8/1/2011 1:55:29 PM , Rating: 2
argh, I say boycott apple.


RE: Abusing the patent system
By Dirk88 on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: Abusing the patent system
By Jeffk464 on 8/1/2011 3:16:27 PM , Rating: 2
yeah, I know its a bit of a problem. I have been unofficially boycotting apple since about the early 90's.


RE: Abusing the patent system
By slyck on 8/1/2011 8:37:23 PM , Rating: 1
-1 isn't low enough


RE: Abusing the patent system
By Jeffk464 on 8/1/2011 1:58:41 PM , Rating: 5
"a thin rectangular tablet with a glass screen and black bezel"

Besides the color of the bezel what other shape would it be? You could say the same thing about every monitor on the planet.


cool
By p05esto on 8/1/2011 2:43:09 PM , Rating: 2
Apple has not been cool for a few years now. I lost their respect (and I was a fanboy for a period in the 90s). The Mactards do need to see through the hype and buy the better products that are more open and so much cheaper.




RE: cool
By Dirk88 on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: cool
By weskurtz0081 on 8/1/2011 4:29:08 PM , Rating: 2
Believe it or not, we have Windows 7 running at work on some pretty old P4's with 1GB or memory, and the users prefer that over Windows XP. We have found Windows 7 performs extremely well on older hardware, better than XP did on XP era hardware. So, saying Windows is a loser product that performs poorly really makes you sound like nothing more than a fanboy.


RE: cool
By Dirk88 on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: cool
By weskurtz0081 on 8/3/2011 9:00:57 AM , Rating: 1
Oh, I see, so you are saying if one is even the least bit faster than the other, then the slower one is complete junk... you don't sound like a fanboy AT ALL!!

And, sorry, but I am not making anything up, I can even go get the exact system specs if you like. I know the system requirements are higher than those of XP, but in the real world it runs very well on the exact same XP hardware, try it out for yourself. I know someone that just put Windows 7 on an old single core Dothan Inspiron with 1GB of memory, similar results. 7 runs very well, at least as good as XP did on that notebook. Wouldn't you agree, it's not about benchmarks but rather how fast it feels!

And, I never said that 7 would run on ALL XP era hardware, I specifically referred to a P4 in the first post, so no need to create a straw man. I don't think there ever was a P4 below 1GHz.


RE: cool
By Dirk88 on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: cool
By themaster08 on 8/2/2011 2:46:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Microsoft makes about 10 apps for iOS, which integrate with other Microsoft products... (they also make Office for the Mac).
What does that prove? Apple make just about as many programs for the Windows platform. So what?

quote:
I don't hate Microsoft. I just think their products suck. I used Windows for 20 years as well as did quite a bit of server side programming
Sure, so find me a viable alternative to Windows Server, especially for SME's that outsource their I.T support.

quote:
Microsoft does not innovate. They acquire. They bought they next generation operating system (which replaced DOS based Win 95 & 98) from Novell. Novell ditched LanManager, which became Wndows NT, and went with Linux...
That's rich coming from someone who's a fan of on operating system that was initially heavily based upon Xerox Parc's original GUI, and then later having BSD underpinnings.


RE: cool
By weskurtz0081 on 8/3/2011 9:03:20 AM , Rating: 1
Hold on, this entire post is in response to my post? The mental picture I have of you typing that response is with you foaming at the mouth! Calm down, you are taking making far too many assumptions, my brand loyalty/loathing doesn't run NEARLY as deep as it appears yours does.


RE: cool
By Kragoth on 8/1/2011 7:12:56 PM , Rating: 5
I'm sorry Dirk88 but what planet are you from?

Let me just point out a few of your crazy ideas.

quote:
When Macs got Intel processors, multiple-button mice, and more software titles, it became clear that Windows was a loser product. Now it's a no brainer. Macs run Windows better than any PC.


So let me get this right. You think that the badge on the outside of a box makes windows run better? Seriously!??!? When Macs got Intel processors they BECAME PCs with a different OS. There are so few hardware differences between a PC and a Mac that making comments like this prove you have no clue about how computers actually work. Just so you're following.

Differences in parts between PC and Mac
CPU - none
Motherboard - none to minimal (form factor stuff)
RAM - none
GPU - none (except Macs are at least 1 generation behind in 99% of cases)
HDD - none
Sound - some differences depending on model.
Mouse - different in some models (does not improve windows performance :P)
Keyboard - different (does not improve windows performance)
Display - different (proprietary connections that are ultimately no better then HDMI. Does NOT improve windows performance)

So if you are running Windows on a Mac then YOU HAVE A PC with a weird mouse and keyboard :P.

Next quote
quote:
Macs have tons of native software, even more, with the new app store.


This just boggles the mind. If Macs have tons of native software....then pcs have mega/giga/tera tons of native software. The correct thing to say would have been. Macs are getting more native software titles but, still have very little in comparison to PCs.

Next
quote:
Macs can also run Unix software, both services like Tomcat, and X.11 unix applications like Gimp.


Out of all them X.11 is the only one that doesn't run just fine on a PC...because X.11 isn't needed on a PC. Emulators are slow compared to native execution. There is no possible way to make an emulator faster then native code. (On like for like hardware).

Next
quote:
A Mac with half the memory and half the processing power of a Windows PC will perform just as well. OS X apps do not hog resources like Windows. OS X is Unix.


Once again you fail to understand computing. How do you measure this? You do realize that it is impossible for you to measure this accurately. Apps running natively on OS X will have been optimized for OS X which is a very controlled environment. PCs don't have such a controlled environment so code has to be written to work with ANYTHING . So optimizations are harder to make. That being said with the difference in Macs not using current hardware, there is only a very small time frame where Macs are even close to PCs in performance over the course of a year. In other words NO. Your statement is unproven and lacks evidence to suggest that you are correct in any way at all.

Next
quote:
Their Google TV strategy is particularly pathetic, as they are selling people something that works very poorly (even worse than Android phones and tablets) and telling consumers they will provide a much better update this summer... What the F is that? Why not wait until they get something working right, and then sell it? Google is just so awful, expecting people to pay to beta test.


Seems you've missed the boat on this one. The 1980's SDLC is no longer the way things are done. Companies have realized the potential for minimizing the costs of a project by providing a paid beta access. They do this for a number of reasons. First, it is a great way of getting a diverse range of testers that are actually interested in your product and will use it. Secondly, they don't need to pay for the testing. Third, it will give their system a much better test then a controlled test group. Last but not least....it is FREE advertising for them.

Google have a pretty good name out there in the real world. So when Google says "this summer we are going to be greatly improving your experience" then the vast majority of people are going to believe them.

Last
quote:
That's what Apple does. Not perfect. I still wait a month or two before installing a new OS X or iOS release, because I am used to Microsoft... so far, this has been unnecessary, as their released products all seem to be of high quality.


This also is not true. iOS updates have been plagued with problems if you took the time to read. My own iPhone (sadly I did own one but, not anymore...Samsung Galaxy S II FTW!!) was basically made a non functional brick by one of the iOS updates that they had to patch a week or so after release.

I am a software engineer. I know how this game works. It is almost impossible to release software as complex as an OS without there being some bugs. You just have to try make that an acceptable number of bugs.

I also think you may not be keeping up with news about Windows 7. It is quickly becoming one of the most stable and secure OS's in the world. I'd be very careful making claims about OS X in a field where Win 7 is pretty much the standard that all OS's are aiming for.


RE: cool
By Dirk88 on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: cool
By karlostomy on 8/1/2011 9:19:23 PM , Rating: 2
@ dirks88

quote:
If you get a $1000 Mac and a $1000 PC, and install Windows on both, the Mac will perform better.


Did you seriously just write that?
You really are from another planet aren't you?

For $1000 I can get MUCH better components in a PC than the comparable $1000 MAC that is dictated to you by SJ.
In most cases, the PC will have at least a better graphics card, or more RAM, or a bigger screen, etc.. at the same price point.
That's a no brainer.

How then do you assert that a MAC/Windows PC with inferior hardware will perform better than Windows PC with better hardware?
Makes no sense.

In addition, a $1000 PC will already have Windows installed and incur no further cost.
However, on a $1000 Mac, you need to spend additional money on a copy of Windows, bringing the real cost of the $1000 Mac (with inferior hardware) to about $1200+.

To add insult to injury, when it comes time to upgrade the RAM or GPU, the MAC will give you fewer choices of hardware to do it with and a higher cost in doing so.
Many MACs have NO option of upgrading the GPU. wtf?

Try to think before you post, dirks88.


RE: cool
By Helbore on 8/2/2011 8:36:24 AM , Rating: 1
Well it is obvious you haven't bought a PC in a long time if you think this has any truth to it. It almost sounds like you are comparing a bottom-of-the-line Dell Vostro to a Mac Pro and saying "look the Mac has better hardware!" But then you make a real pig's ear of it and claim a $1000 Mac has better hardware in it than a $1000 PC.

It doesn't.

Also, its not just down to the hardware to make Windows run well. It is also the drivers and Apple are notorious for writing crappy Windows drivers. Windows does not run better on a Mac with identical or lesser hardware than a comparable PC. In many cases, it is far worse, thanks to Apple's shoody drivers (which I'm sure they do on purpose, purely to make OSX seem better on the Mac than Windows)

It's funny that you blame poor coding in Windows for its performance problems and say how OSX is more efficient, so needs lower hardware requirements (which still isn't a good explanation as to why a Mac is more expensive when containing cheaper hardware), but you then go on to say that the buggy, problematic OS can run just fine on Apple's lower system requirements, too.

You can't have it both ways. Either Windows runs slower than OSX on lower-end hardware, or Windows can run just as well as OSX on similar hardware.


RE: cool
By karlostomy on 8/1/2011 8:40:04 PM , Rating: 2
@ kragoth
Really good post. +6

It seems Dirk88 forgot to put on his thinking cap this morning.
Sadly, this is nothing new amongst the macfanboy fraternity.


RE: cool
By Dirk88 on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: cool
By Pirks on 8/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: cool
By Dirk88 on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: cool
By karlostomy on 8/1/2011 9:33:41 PM , Rating: 1
@ dirk88

Cripes, dude!
You wrote 1285 words in that blathering wall of macfanboy text.

Youmad?


RE: cool
By 225commander on 8/2/2011 9:37:13 AM , Rating: 2
Haha, why are all of you attempting to reply and correct this guy?

Me thinks 'Dirks88' = 'Pirks'

now go back and read the comments and tell me you don't see the similarities, right down to the long diatribe 'explaining' Apple superiority in the face of reality,


RE: cool
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/2/2011 11:21:52 AM , Rating: 2
Def sounds Pirkish...


RE: cool
By Pirks on 8/2/2011 4:27:56 PM , Rating: 2
And you sound just like yourself - a clumsy autistic clown, can't even entertain me well. What a loser... try harder maybe? ;)


RE: cool
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/6/2011 3:36:56 PM , Rating: 2
Entertain you? I am not here for your entertainment moron. The only loser here, is as usual, you.


Apple needs to die.
By Motoman on 8/1/2011 1:57:54 PM , Rating: 2
Look at all you idiots. Yeah you...the ones with your iPods, iPhones, iCrap of all sorts. YOU are the reason we have to deal with this BS from Apple.

F%CKING STOP IT. Stop buying their f%cking piss-poor products at ridiculously elevated prices to try to purchase a personality for yourself.

Blame Apple, yes...but take a long look in the mirror, you Mactards. YOU are the reason that this keeps happening.




RE: Apple needs to die.
By Dirk88 on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: Apple needs to die.
By Jeffk464 on 8/1/2011 3:19:55 PM , Rating: 2
No, we aren't jealous of iOS we would just like apple to stop trying to take our preferred platform off the market. If I remember right android was the first phone to offer free navigation through google maps, yeah really worthless app.


RE: Apple needs to die.
By AraH on 8/1/2011 4:51:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Even NASA prefers the iPhone, and they even brought one into space, developed an iOS app for it, and used it in experiements. Of course they wouldn't bring some brick-prone Droid device up in space and have to reboot it several times...


http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/57496-nas...

NASA begs to differ.

in case you don't feel like reading, here's the gist of it:
quote:
MIT built the SPHERE robots to connect with the Nexus S Android-powered smartphone, which makes it the first commercial smartphone certified for use in space certified by NASA. (Note: the recent shuttle mission also carried two iPhone 4 handsets for the crew).

there are 3 sphere robots, hence at least 3 Nexus S's (i assume, no actual numbers)


RE: Apple needs to die.
By Dirk88 on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: Apple needs to die.
By AraH on 8/2/2011 3:11:58 AM , Rating: 1
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/main/sph...

i guess it could be read both ways (but you'd know how i read it and i know how you'd read it), but it's sure as hell happening sooner or later and that's quite undeniable. in larger quantities. doing cooler things.

and btw:
quote:
You think the wifi or 4g is gonna work across a few hundred thousand miles of space? Nope. They will do some playing around on the vomit comet.


has a pretty response:
quote:
All laptops aboard the ISS are connected to the station's WLAN via WiFi and are connected to the ground at 3 Mbit/s up and 10 Mbit/s down, comparable to home DSL connection speeds.

that's actually better than my internet.


RE: Apple needs to die.
By Jeffk464 on 8/1/2011 9:39:48 PM , Rating: 2
They probably didn't want to spend the time writing an app only to have Steve Jobs deny it.


RE: Apple needs to die.
By Omega215D on 8/2/2011 3:14:03 AM , Rating: 2
They also have plenty of ThinkPads up there running Windows and Linux.


RE: Apple needs to die.
By Tony Swash on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: Apple needs to die.
By Alexstarfire on 8/1/2011 3:07:29 PM , Rating: 1
I actually took a look at that last link you posted cause I was wondering what kind of criteria they were using and I noticed several things.

First off, iOS isn't even listed. Not important when it comes to how "closed" Android is, but how open or closed Android is has no bearing on the openness of iOS either.

Secondly, 1 of the 4 on there is going to go against any commercial product. I only really mention that because it compares Android/Symbian/Meego to things like Linux. Obviously the community won't have a direct impact on the development of a commercial product. And the source code bit can go a couple ways with something like Android. If they mean the source code straight from Google then that's fine and fair, but they could also mean the source code for pretty much each individual handset (since most are forked off from stock Android) and that's just kinda crap. It does suck either way though.

Thirdly, while Android was certainly the most "closed" project based on governance I fail to see how that has anything to do with what consumers can do with the product. Governance seems to deal more with how others can contribute to the actual development of the platform and if something like Android is so low then iOS must be abysmal since the only way the developers contribute is when Apple decides to steal their ideas/implementations. It would be interesting to see what iOS would score on this scale... but if they ever rated it I doubt you'd post a link to it.

The article doesn't say how things are weighted as I don't each criteria had equal weight. Might be in the full report but I didn't read it.

The TL;DR version of my post is that the article has very little to do with the consumer side and a lot to do with the development side.


RE: Apple needs to die.
By Tony Swash on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: Apple needs to die.
By Dirk88 on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: Apple needs to die.
By Jeffk464 on 8/1/2011 3:42:20 PM , Rating: 3
"I have to pay a little more for something that's better"
Show me a dual core LTE iphone on verizon, how can you say they are better? Apple products are always trailing the competition because of their slow product cycle. Sure they put the hardware in a pretty case but its almost always trailing the competition.

P.S. windows 8 might turn out to be a good tablet OS so this whole argument might be moot.


RE: Apple needs to die.
By Dirk88 on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: Apple needs to die.
By scottslc on 8/1/2011 8:20:53 PM , Rating: 3
I'm amazed at how much you put into your reply. Do you have all this time to write because your iphone/ipad/airmac is so much more efficient and windows and android? If only tmobile had the iphone, I could be smart too.


RE: Apple needs to die.
By B3an on 8/1/2011 8:31:42 PM , Rating: 2
..Wow. You're just f**king sad. LOL.

All you're doing is providing lolz for everyone else, as they can see how warped and truly retarded you iSheep are. You're pathetic on a whole new level.

Keep it up.


RE: Apple needs to die.
By wired00 on 8/2/2011 1:00:58 AM , Rating: 2
I AM developer of both android and iOS and you sir are terrible.


RE: Apple needs to die.
By kmmatney on 8/2/2011 12:38:10 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry dude, I'm going to buy whatever product works best or me, and for phones and tablets, it's Apple. You can hardly call the iPad overpriced when it's the same or cheaper than most of the competition.


RE: Apple needs to die.
By Pirks on 8/2/2011 4:07:49 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
YOU are the reason we have to deal with this BS from Apple.
Sorry to hear Jobs raped your mom and gf again, shit on your carpet and shot your horse. Wanna stop this? Just ignore Mick's posts about Apple. Jobs will stop raping your ass immediately. 100% guaranteed recipe. Immediate relief for all ya Apple pain and sorrow :P
quote:
YOU are the reason that this keeps happening
Yes, yes, I know, Mick is the reason, just keep calm, stop reading his posts and your anal pain and suffering will go away. I promise!


I wonder if anyone else noticed
By captainBOB on 8/1/2011 2:53:26 PM , Rating: 1
How awfully similar some of Samsung's phone and tablet designs look to an iPhone and iPad.

Its close enough that I know people who would confuse a galaxy for an iPhone, and the UI design of the OS doesn't help either, it practically screams iOS.

Apple's beef with Samsung (and other handset makers) seem to be that they are making successful products by closely imitating the designs of the iPhone/iPad, riding off the success of the iPhone/iPad 's design. Regardless of superior tech specs, those handsets would not have sold as well as they did if they didn't look similar to an iPhone.

Unlike the all the iPod lookalikes from back in the day however, the iPhone/iPad lookalikes are actually posing a threat to Apple. Hence the mass sueage (lol).

Whether they are right to deal with the issue by suing all the handset makers I can't say, but they do have a reason to be annoyed at all the cheap iPhone/iPad knockoffs stealing their shine.




RE: I wonder if anyone else noticed
By scottslc on 8/1/2011 3:17:14 PM , Rating: 2
"Its close enough that I know people who would confuse a galaxy for an iPhone, and the UI design of the OS doesn't help either, it practically screams iOS."

Here's today's intelligence quiz. Lets compare the number of hopeful iphone buyers who got home and (damn, I bought a galaxy by mistake when i meant to buy an iphone because they look so similar) to hopeful galaxy buyers who got home and packaged an iphone because (darn they look so similar.) Since it's apple that's crying, I'm going to assume that apple iphone buyers just aren't smart enough to read the box, let alone walk into the right store. I also love how the iphone ui is looking more and more like the android ui. see:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/apple-copies-a-...

The list goes on...


RE: I wonder if anyone else noticed
By captainBOB on 8/1/11, Rating: 0
By weskurtz0081 on 8/1/2011 5:56:20 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't seen any Samsung Galaxy phones going for less than the equivalent iPhone, so how could people substitute them based on price?


RE: I wonder if anyone else noticed
By scottslc on 8/1/2011 8:10:33 PM , Rating: 1
I don't question your intelligence because it makes me look smarter, I question it because of your response. the Razr wasn't even a smart phone silly boy. If you had the smarts to have a tablet or phone that had flash, you would know how nice it is. But you don't. Hence, I question your intelligence...


By captainBOB on 8/1/2011 11:12:35 PM , Rating: 2
Hence why I said "phone" not "smartphone" in that sentence. The Razr was the phone to have back in the time before the smartphone exploded into market, even though the only thing that made it different was that it was thin.

All of my mobile devices with flash (my notebook) have click2flash, because it is just a waste of CPU time and battery life in most cases beyond youtube and my banking site. Having flash on something like a phone is and has been a bad idea from the start, on my phone I didn't miss flash at all, guess I never needed it.

To each his own though, i'm sure you have found more uses for it.


By kmmatney on 8/2/2011 12:43:48 AM , Rating: 2
The first thing I noticed about the Galaxy was that the OS was laid out similar to an iPhone, and different to a stock Android phone. I think that's a good thing, as the stock Android UI makes no sense to me, but it something you notice right away.


Time to make Apple crumble!
By BugblatterIII on 8/1/2011 2:33:45 PM , Rating: 2
I'm talking to you Samsung, Sony, HTC and anyone else who fancies some fun; it's time to take Apple DOWN!

Between you guys you have enough patents that Apple will have to work out how to sell a phone with no buttons, no screen, no battery and that can't actually make calls.

Well ok, they've already managed the last one, but let's set them a real challenge!




RE: Time to make Apple crumble!
By scottslc on 8/1/2011 2:36:44 PM , Rating: 2
They managed that last one if you hold the phone correctly...


RE: Time to make Apple crumble!
By Tony Swash on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: Time to make Apple crumble!
By BugblatterIII on 8/1/2011 5:34:52 PM , Rating: 2
"Let's try to be a bit grown up shall we?". Wow, patronise much? Why don't you try making reasoned arguments and leave the petty insults to the kids?

You are a kid? Oh ok then, carry on. Good luck with the whole maturation thing.

Companies are being reactive and counter-suing when Apple sues them. They need to take the game into Apple's half of the pitch.

A concerted effort is difficult because collusion is anti-competitive; however if they each individually go on the attck then Apple will soon be left cowering in a corner.


RE: Time to make Apple crumble!
By Tony Swash on 8/1/2011 6:31:09 PM , Rating: 1
But no matter how many companies file lawsuits against Apple, it won't be able to change anything about Apple's objectives. Apple optimizes for product differentiation, not patent licensing revenues, which is why those who characterise Apple as a patent troll are misunderstanding what is happening. Apple settled with Nokia because Nokia was so pathetic it couldn't copy itself. What is freaking the other companies out is that Apple doesn't want to cross lisence, it wants to stop people from copying its stuff. And that is really scary for lots of companies because, let's face it, if they can't copy Apple they will be in big trouble. 


By BugblatterIII on 8/1/2011 6:52:37 PM , Rating: 2
Apple wants to stop them trading; big difference.

These are basically nuisance suits; Apple would do this even if they had zero chance of winning.

As for who's copying whom, that argument's been done to death and I'm not going to bother repeating it.


Blast from the past!
By Omega215D on 8/2/2011 1:59:58 AM , Rating: 2
Hello, the first touch screen and smartphone:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Simon

It may be crude by today's standards but considering that it came out in the early 90's says something about development by companies other than Apple.




RE: Blast from the past!
By Omega215D on 8/2/2011 2:11:31 AM , Rating: 2
I posted this because chances are it lead to the development of more advanced tech. Along with other researchers who developed and expanded on multitouch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multitouch#History


Touchscreens
By btc909 on 8/1/2011 1:08:08 PM , Rating: 2
So do I need to send anything I own with a touch screen to Apple? Luckily I didn't buy that touch screen refrigerator.

I will now go into a corner & repeat JOBS, JOBS for hours on end. In a holy chant of course.




By scottslc on 8/1/2011 2:28:55 PM , Rating: 2
I don't care if they look identical. (they don't) What i take away from this is that apple fears users are accidentally buying the galaxy tab instead of the ipad because they look too similar. Show how much faith apple has in it's users...




I've never seen a Honeycomb
By It's iOS not iPhone on 8/1/11, Rating: 0
RE: I've never seen a Honeycomb
By mosu on 8/1/2011 4:40:18 PM , Rating: 2
You know you're full of sh*t, don't you?


APPLE == SONY ?
By poi2 on 8/1/2011 9:54:40 PM , Rating: 2
Steve Jobs == Howard Stringer ?
Apple = The Next Sony ?




By Gib Ortherb on 8/2/2011 4:46:32 AM , Rating: 2
Every vehicle has 4 wheels and a body!

They all look the same to me. (inb4 car enthusiasts rage, I am being sarcastic)

Also lol@dircks88 thinking OSX runs better than Windows 7. Do a simple google search for RAM and Lion and you'll find a lot of people found out that their "lightweight" OS isn't so lightweight after all.




By SpaceJumper on 8/2/2011 10:54:04 AM , Rating: 2
I like the Samsung better because it has a 16:9 wide screen better than the 4:3 old TV style screen.




8 1/2 x 11
By TacticalTrading on 8/2/2011 2:51:31 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if Apple has a patent on that.
Hey Steve Jobs invented the concept of Letter sized paper.

Just imagine if Steve and Al Gore got together. They would own the world... Oh wait, Al forgot to patent his invention...




Apple Will Win
By Ingo on 8/1/2011 8:43:03 PM , Rating: 1
It shouldnt be hard for apple to win. All they have to do is show how ignorant and blinded their customers are. Any black rectangular looking tablet device would be mistaken for an Ipad, as there are no other products in their world. After all the Ipad was the first tablet ever invented and before the i-phone we all used phones with handsets attached with curly cords and to dial there was a ring of numbers you turned.




Frontiers- For Fathers of CREATIVE LEAD---
By yuall crazy on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: Frontiers- For Fathers of CREATIVE LEAD---
By Jeffk464 on 8/1/2011 3:21:43 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry but I'm pretty sure apple is mostly providing slave labor jobs on Chinese soil, not US.


RE: Frontiers- For Fathers of CREATIVE LEAD---
By Dirk88 on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: Frontiers- For Fathers of CREATIVE LEAD---
By Jeffk464 on 8/1/2011 3:46:32 PM , Rating: 2
Never said android products are made in the US. At this point about the only thing made in the US is weapon systems.


By Omega215D on 8/2/2011 3:11:58 AM , Rating: 2
Fortunately the US still does quite a bit of manufacturing outside of the defense contracts.

Gorilla glass is one of the many and the most prominent in mobile phones nowadays.


By StevoLincolnite on 8/1/2011 4:51:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Steve Jobs is bringing the jobs here, and Samsung is bringing them to Asia...


Do you blame Samsung? Their home country is IN Asia. Aka; South Korea.

I doubt their priorities lie with giving the U.S. Jobs.
And believe it or not... The world doesn't revolve around the U.S. either.


By shane.carroll on 8/1/2011 4:19:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If it wasn't for Apples Creative Inventions you would not be having fun with Smartphones or Tablets etcs


now, you do realize RIM had smart phones (whether called smart phones or not) with email, music players, apps, etc. looong before steve jobs "invented" the "first" smart phone? it was only a matter of time until the hardware got small and cheap enough for phones to get to the point of being what YOU consider a "smart" phone.

and btw, what the hell is a "galaxi" and how did its becoming stem from jobs' innovation?


By ejaymd11 on 8/1/2011 5:15:19 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry but Apple did not create the tablet design first, nor did the create a rectangular design with a bezel first either.


By BB33 on 8/1/2011 7:50:41 PM , Rating: 2
Can you say blackberry, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, and the list just keeps going.


By Helbore on 8/2/2011 8:45:47 AM , Rating: 1
Can somebody translate this drivel into English for me, please?


Biased article, ignores Googles litigious side...
By Dirk88 on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
By Jeffk464 on 8/1/2011 3:30:13 PM , Rating: 2
So why don't we go back to Xerox PARC, they came up with the first GUI so lets say they are the only one to come up with new GUI OS's. :) Everything else has pretty much been a rip off of that.


By cjohnson2136 on 8/1/2011 4:32:31 PM , Rating: 2
How much do you and Tony make from Apple to go to tech websites and saying everything good about Apple while completely trashing Microsoft and Google. Apple is not the end all be all, neither is Microsoft and neither is Google. There is no reason to so obviously bias to one company.


RE: Biased article, ignores Googles litigious side...
By B3an on 8/1/2011 8:42:59 PM , Rating: 2
People like Dirk88 are doing us all a favour. Obviously no one is going to be fooled by there ridiculous and clearly bias fanboy comments. Most people are just going to feel sorry for someone like Dirk, just look at how much he's wrote on this article instead of doing something more useless. He must literally have no life.

All that people like Dirk88 do is make Apple look even more bad. We should thank them...

So thankyou Dirk88.


By Pirks on 8/2/2011 4:33:29 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
people like Dirk88 do is make Apple look even more bad
Only for geeks who read DT, and these won't go anywhere near Apple store anyway. People who buy Apple stuff don't give a fuck about Dirk and his ilk. Gotta deal with that dude :P


By B3an on 8/1/2011 8:38:17 PM , Rating: 1
From your comments it's obvious you develop sh*t apps for iOS and are simply scared about Android doing SO much better.


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