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  (Source: msu.edu)
Apple now owns 10.6 percent of the U.S. PC market

Detractors of Apple's Mac computers often point to the machines' relatively high price of entry and small market share when looking at the overall PC market (Microsoft still dominates thanks to a plethora of Windows-based machines). However, when compared to other PC manufacturers, Apple is doing quite well (at least in the United States).

The latest statistics from IDC show that Apple has now moved into third place for PC shipments in the U.S. Apple's shipments grew a whopping 24 percent for Q3, which gave Apple 10.6 percent of the market. Dell's shipments actually dropped 4.9 percent giving it a 23.1 percent share of the market, while HP's shipments increased 2.7 percent to give it 24.3 percent of the market and first place overall.

Acer and Toshiba took fourth place and fifth place respectively.

Even though HP and Dell each more than double Apple's U.S. market share, Apple has the high-end covered. Apple owns over 91 percent of the $1,000+ PC market which has helped to fuel its record revenue growth.

"Apple's influence on the PC market continues to grow, particularly in the U.S., as the company's iPad has had some negative impact on the mini-notebook market. But, the halo effect of the device also helped propel Mac sales and moved the company into the number three position in the U.S. market," said Bob O'Donnell, IDC's vice president for Clients and Displays.

When it comes to global sales, Apple doesn't even register in the top six. For Q3, the top global players were HP followed by Acer, Dell, Lenovo, ASUS and Toshiba.

"Despite a sluggish start, the quarter ended with a good rally in September which could be a good prelude for what is ahead," said IDC research analyst Jay Chou. "Lower PC component costs, budding excitement around new media-centric form factors and continued business buying should still make for a competitive holiday season.”

The good news on the Apple front comes on the same day that shares of the stock closed above $300 for the first time in the company's history.



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Perhaps the most profitable PC maker?
By jmunjr on 10/13/2010 7:50:13 PM , Rating: 2
Due to the high cost of the of PCs I bet they are the most profitable PC maker.




RE: Perhaps the most profitable PC maker?
By xaders on 10/13/2010 8:15:57 PM , Rating: 5
If Apple so rich & profitable why aint they helping the poor/helpless around the world like Bill Gates. Even Facebook Founder & CEO donate money to help out even if we dont know how much he is worth. Steve Jobs is laughing all the way to the bank and Apple is are not the center of the universe!!


RE: Perhaps the most profitable PC maker?
By MeesterNid on 10/13/10, Rating: -1
RE: Perhaps the most profitable PC maker?
By knutjb on 10/13/2010 10:51:38 PM , Rating: 2
The question was about Steve Jobs, not apple. Bill Gates and FB what's his name donate out of their own pocket, Jobs? I don't know if he does. Many wealthy donate silently so as not to attract attention.


RE: Perhaps the most profitable PC maker?
By B3an on 10/14/2010 2:50:28 AM , Rating: 2
LOL @ the thought of Jobs donating his own money. As if.


By lothar98 on 10/14/2010 5:20:03 AM , Rating: 2
But just imagine if he did ... and the swarm followed in kind.


RE: Perhaps the most profitable PC maker?
By robinthakur on 10/14/2010 7:07:00 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure why you would LOL, since you (or I) don't even know the guy. What he does with his own money is none of our business, in point of fact.


By Samus on 10/14/2010 12:55:14 PM , Rating: 1
The global sales say it all. American's are stupid enough to buy their crap.


RE: Perhaps the most profitable PC maker?
By Spivonious on 10/14/10, Rating: 0
RE: Perhaps the most profitable PC maker?
By Gio6518 on 10/14/2010 1:45:36 PM , Rating: 2
My usual response is I gave at the IRS


RE: Perhaps the most profitable PC maker?
By Taft12 on 10/14/2010 11:37:12 AM , Rating: 2
This article is about PC hardware sales, which is not MS' business.


By slashbinslashbash on 10/14/2010 6:52:18 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, first off. Steve Jobs owns less than 1% of AAPL stock (0.7% was the latest number I could find). This comes to about $2 billion today, but a year ago, it was under a billion. In 2003 it would have been worth only $32 million. Remember, Steve Jobs left Apple for a number of years and then came back -- and AAPL shares fell very far during the time that he was gone. I don't know how many shares he might have had at one point, but he's had less than 1% since he's come back as CEO. In contrast, Bill Gates has been with Microsoft for the whole ride and has kept his ownership very high. Bill Gates owns roughly 7% of MSFT, and that is after giving a lot of it away. That comes to about $15 billion.

BillG started the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in 2000, which also happened to be the year that he resigned as CEO -- which also happened to be the year that MSFT shares peaked at almost $60/share (now at $25/share, been trading in the $20-$30 range for a while).

AAPL stock is rising like crazy. It's just insane. Apple will probably be the biggest company in the world, based on market value, pretty soon. Just plain nuts! (And this is coming from from a guy who loves his Macs and who also owns shares of AAPL). Unless you think a charity could achieve a similar return on investment, you come to realize that it’s actually better for Steve Jobs to keep his money for now and give it away later as long as he’s creating such huge returns on his personal wealth. IMO, this is why folks such as Gates and Warren Buffett waited until close to the end of their careers to donate to charity. Mark Zuckerberg gave away a bunch of money as a pure PR move -- doing it right as the movie was coming out was no coincidence. (It was really a pretty dumb way to spend it too, IMHO. He should have given it to the Gates Foundation, it would have done more good there.)

"Steve Jobs is laughing all the way to the bank" -- LOL. Seriously? Do you really think he has any way to spend all the money he has? Once you strike it really rich (say, $10M+ net worth, more or less) you simply start having trouble spending all that money. That is why the rich make donations. They build buildings on university campuses (e.g. T. Boone Pickens, Ross Perot), create universities outright (e.g. John D. Rockefeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Leland Stanford), create foundations for medical research (e.g. Howard Hughes, Bill Gates), create public libraries (Andrew Carnegie)... the list goes on and on. The above list comprises some guys who were the greediest mofos around in their day, but their money still lives on and creates undeniable good in the world (the Howard Hughes Medical Institute spends roughly half a billion dollars per year to fund research at universities -- watch "The Aviator" again and think about that as you watch it -- yes, he lived a lavish lifestyle, but even so, he couldn't possibly blow that much money, and his money outlived him).

Steve Jobs is too busy right now creating wealth to spend time sitting around and figuring out how to give it away. There is a reason why BillG take the Foundation very seriously and treats running it as a full-time job. It is one!


By msheredy on 10/15/2010 11:06:52 AM , Rating: 2
Bill Gates is a philanthropist—Steve Jobs isn't. That's why.


Dell..
By jithvk on 10/13/2010 7:57:11 PM , Rating: 4
Not surprised that the market share of Dell has gone down. One year back, they had a range of good offerings, and now they have none.




RE: Dell..
By NicodemusMM on 10/13/2010 9:33:10 PM , Rating: 2
I still like some of the Dell offerings, but several of my larger customers are moving away from Dell due to reliability issues. The issues with Opti 270's and 280's left a bad taste in the mouths of many businesses and it looks like some of the new Opti 7xx series are trending the same way. One of my largest customers is doing a physical site survey tonight for burst capacitors, so I expect quite a few mobo replacements in the next few days.

The other things bothering customers is the new parts ordering system and phone-based tech support. The bigger gripe of the two is the phone support. Using that option (versus chat) you have the combined disadvantages of a language barrier and a rift in technical experience. Diagnosing a PC problem effectively with someone over the phone is hard enough when both parties can understand each other...

TL;DR - Dell, wake the hell up! Solid caps FTW! Less PITA parts ordering FTW! Less language barrier FTW!

The pennies you're saving with cheap parts is costing you huge accounts. Also, move the call centers out of Bangalore or be willing to pay for the most English fluent reps.

~ Nicodemus


RE: Dell..
By knutjb on 10/13/2010 10:48:46 PM , Rating: 2
Dell wasn't the only one impacted by those caps just picked on more than the others.


RE: Dell..
By roadhog1974 on 10/13/2010 11:40:39 PM , Rating: 2
perception is 9/10s of the truth


RE: Dell..
By Spivonious on 10/14/2010 10:10:54 AM , Rating: 2
Thankfully we haven't had any cap issues with the Opti 9xx series. They must have finally gotten through the bad batch of motherboards.


RE: Dell..
By aggressor on 10/13/2010 9:48:25 PM , Rating: 2
For me, Dell suffers from just too many options. I know that sounds retarded, but I'm always wondering if I'm getting the best combination or if I should wait for one of their sales or if a particular line is worth the extra cost over another...and on and on and on.


RE: Dell..
By robinthakur on 10/14/2010 7:02:00 AM , Rating: 2
They have...the Streak


RE: Dell..
By lawrance on 10/14/2010 11:10:09 AM , Rating: 2
You mean the crappy device that is too big to be a usable cell phone and too small to be a tablet? Yea... I wouldn't count that as a "good offering" at all.


...
By Motoman on 10/13/2010 9:09:26 PM , Rating: 2
...virtually no one needs a PC that costs $1,000 or more. The VAST majority of personal computer users get way more than they need with a $500 Wal-Mart special.

On the other hand...there's not much you can get from Apple that isn't at least $1,000. So if you want an Apple at all, chances are very good you're going to be suckered out of at least $1,000.

Also, the logical comparison isn't Apple vs. Dell vs. HP etc. It's Macs vs. Windows machines...in which case, even though it is sad to see Apple actually reaching double-digits in marketshare, it's clear how small they truly are.

All in all, it still goes to show that there's a sucker born every minute. Somewhere, P.T. Barnum is having a field day.




RE: ...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 10/13/2010 9:23:35 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Also, the logical comparison isn't Apple vs. Dell vs. HP etc. It's Macs vs. Windows machines...in which case, even though it is sad to see Apple actually reaching double-digits in marketshare, it's clear how small they truly are.


It's not that simple. Since Apple makes both computers and OS X, there's always a two-pronged approach to dealing with its market share.

As a computer manufacturer, of course they can be compared to Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. The are a full-line PC manufacturer offering retail store and online sales, support, etc. In that sense -- in the U.S. -- it does fairly well.

As an OS provider, it is going up against Microsoft and Linux. In that sense, it's WAAAAY behind.


RE: ...
By DrKlahn on 10/14/2010 10:24:01 AM , Rating: 3
I think he may be pointing out that the "91% of the market above $1000" figure sited should have a disclaimer that most PC manufacturers simply don't even compete in this segment to any meaningful degree. The Macintosh continues to ride a surge brought on by the popularity of the companies consumer electronics devices. Whether Apple can keep these products at the forefront remains to be seen.

The Macs real chance at success was when the company moved into the PowerPC and started to allow cloning. The Mac OS at the time (System 7) was a far better OS than Windows 3.x. But Apple's greed caused them to shelve the clones and ensured they stayed a niche computer company. Today the OS advantage is largely gone. There are few areas where the Mac OS has advantages, but Windows 7 is an excellent product that runs on far cheaper hardware and with a far greater selection of applications.

Looking forward it can go a couple ways for Apple. They can either continue to innovate and stay on top of their consumer devices which will continue to steadily grow the Macintosh through brand awareness. Or other CE manufacturers will catch up and innovate as well, which would result in the Macintosh market staying static or showing small growth or small loss in market share.


RE: ...
By Motoman on 10/14/2010 11:35:51 AM , Rating: 3
That's incorrect, because representing Apple in that way artificially inflates their importance in the market...Dell, HP, et al are selling the same thing - there is no differentiation, which is the beauty of the Windows standard. They are all interchangeable, and when being compared against a non-interchangeable substitute, should be taken as a whole.

You wouldn't compare EV sales vs. Ford, then vs. Chevy, then vs. Toyota, etc. You compare EV sales vs. ICE sales. The former will artificially inflate the market importance of EV, because you're deceptively segmenting the competing market segment.

This is one of the tactics that the Apple-infatuated press uses to make Apple look like a significant player in the market...when it isn't.

Same thing with the "over $1,000 market segment" BS, which as I pointed out, is essentially the market segment that Apple competes in anyway. That's exactly the same thing as saying Monster Cable owns 91% of the Over-$100 HDMI cable market - because if you're stupid enough to buy a Monster Cable, that's what it's going to cost you.

Apple, Monster Cable, and Bose - the unholy trinity of gullible consumer abuse.


RE: ...
By Motoman on 10/14/2010 11:41:04 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
As an OS provider, it is going up against Microsoft and Linux. In that sense, it's WAAAAY behind.


...as for that, the solution has always been obvious and simple...at least, it has been since they adopted a normal hardware platform. Sell the OS and let people install it on whatever they want. Apple's OS share would skyrocket. Specialist OEMs would pop up, like Psystar, and sell OSX machines at reasonable prices - overall marketshare would skyrocket. Application companies would start making lots of software for the platform, since it's marketshare had skyrocketed...and after a while, there'd be a large, thriving ecosystem around the Apple OS that will never happen so long as they keep all their BS proprietary.

Or, maybe the non-believers would give it a try at that point, since they could, decide it was crap and toss it. We'll likely never know. It's a lot easier to abuse a small group of terribly gullible people than to be successful in the entire marketplace based on the merits of your product.


RE: ...
By Pirks on 10/14/2010 12:14:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple's OS share would skyrocket
But not their profits, which is why you can forget about it
quote:
after a while, there'd be a large, thriving ecosystem around the Apple OS that will never happen so long as they keep all their BS proprietary
They have a large thriving ecosystem around their proprietary BS called iOS, they seem to be perfectly happy with that :P
quote:
the non-believers would give it a try at that point
They could do it even now, it's one-two downloads away -> a) OS X 10.6 image b) VMWare -> bingo, try it away for all you want FOR FREE and you don't even have to get outta your moms basement moto :P So your point is moot, clones are not needed for "non-believers" to try OS X out, all who wanted to try it out already did it a while ago
quote:
It's a lot easier to abuse a small group of terribly gullible people than to be successful in the entire marketplace based on the merits of your product
True, all those Lexuses, MBs and BMWs never ever went for the "entire marketplace", what an idiots they are eh? :))) And you are way smarter than all of them taken together har har har :))))


By vtohthree on 10/14/2010 7:35:28 AM , Rating: 2
I'm on a college campus(one of the largest Universities in the nation) and all I see are macs, and whenever I hear a person next to me without a mac talking they're always like, "oh that's so cute, I wish I had one too"... or a guy, "yeah I think I heard they were better, more stable or something"...

It's like the tamagochi pet, skip it', and those neon frame colored sun glasses that everyone wants because it's a fad, if you have it, then you're "cooler".

Except, like I've said before in the past, Mac's are some of the longest running fads in the industry...fad defined by momentum sales due to "cool factor"...spurred on by gimmicks, after gimmicks, although I admit, their "gimmicks" are becoming more and more better.. and they do enhance user experience.




By Tony Swash on 10/14/2010 11:18:45 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Except, like I've said before in the past, Mac's are some of the longest running fads in the industry...fad defined by momentum sales due to "cool factor"...spurred on by gimmicks, after gimmicks, although I admit, their "gimmicks" are becoming more and more better.. and they do enhance user experience.


I think calling something that has lasted 26 years - especially in the incredibly fast moving world of technology and computing - a fad is stretching the word a trifle. Macs are selling in every increasing numbers, and the number of Mac users is increasing for good reasons, its just that those reasons are invisible to many around here. The continuing rise of the Mac is, rather amusingly, is a genuine mystery to many commentators here

What has proved surprisingly transient is the dominant position of Microsoft. Even a decade ago Microsoft was almost all powerful and the entity around which everything else seemed to orbit. Its competitors and other players in the technology markets trembled when Microsoft's eyes covetously fell upon their markets. Microsoft seemed unbeatable and the reference point for the entire industry.

And now? Microsoft seems a big but fading player, all their puff and power seems to have ebbed away in a few short years. They seem tainted with the smell of decline. More of a joke than a threat. The player who should have retired at the top of their game but chose to stay on the pitch until they became a bit of an embarrassment. Could they make a come back? Big Bill is waiting in the wings but he is no Steve Jobs. Somebody born today will probably never use a Microsoft product their entire lives. How times change.


By Pirks on 10/14/2010 11:41:18 AM , Rating: 2
Not so fast slick, MS profits and margins still dwarf Apple's so it's not all THAT bad ;)


By Pirks on 10/14/2010 12:56:11 PM , Rating: 3
Hey, I see Tony, for you then the whole enterprise and HPC/scientific computing is dead man walking. What next? Airlines are dead man walking because they WILL be consumed by very long distance teleportation in the future. Auto industry is dead man walking because they WILL be consumed by personal aircraft/levitators/antigravs/pepelats/etc in the future. And so on and so forth.

I agree Tony, the whole industry is dead man walking then. And Apple too. Because they WILL get quantum computers working in the future when Jobs is not with us... and who's gonna rule then? Apple who's left without the only man who made it ticking? Or MS who never had such a man to start with? (BG doesn't count as you can see since MS is posting record breaking profits long after he resigned)


By Pirks on 10/14/2010 4:01:24 PM , Rating: 1
I like how you tried to avoid thorny topic of HPC cluster computing where MS together with nVidia thoroughly owns the future which is GPGPU computing and CUDA. When MS and nVidia will be making BIG bucks on that fast growing market of the future, Apple will sit still with their puny iToys and do nothing. Sad outlook eh? :P

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Enterprise - margins are shit
Why then MS's margins are still way bigger than Apple's?
quote:
move to cloud still happening so fewer Windows/Office licences
How come if cloud clients use same old trusty Windows and Windows Azure for cloud computing is making big inroads? Where's the decrease in Windows licensing coming from then?
quote:
iPhone and iPad making big inroads
LOL I wanna see people voluntarily changing nice big monitors and convenient desktop keyboards to tiny smartphones with microscopes and fingertips attached :)))) Can't wait to see accountants HR and all the office/enterprise folk typing away on their iPhones hahaha what a nice Hieronymus Bosch style picture hahaha
quote:
are all tied to an old fading computing paradigm
Yeaaahhh suuure GPGPU and HPC clusters are fading away faaast LOLOLOL :))))) hahahaha
quote:
The company is on the road to nowhere.
Yeah, Apple will be marching nowhere once Jobs leaves us, that I can agree with you on :P


By themaster08 on 10/15/2010 6:52:39 PM , Rating: 2
Tony is just filled with such hate-filled rage towards Microsoft that all logic is thrown out of the window in his comments.

If he seriously thinks that the iPhone and iPad have or will have absolutely any impact upon the enterprise market whatsoever, or that Microsoft are a company in decline, he really needs to check into the nearest mental health clinic.

Tony, you do understand the impact and the forever growing need of I.T in business? And that Microsoft absolutely dominates this arena, and continues to do so? And that Apple have barely any existence there whatsoever?

You are aware of the type of tools that Microsoft provides for business, and that Apple's pales in comparison?


By Alexstarfire on 10/14/2010 2:36:04 PM , Rating: 2
xBox only a marginal business that might go bankrupt? I suppose all the game companies are going to make games exclusively for the iPhone as well.


By themaster08 on 10/16/2010 2:28:34 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
The Microsoft monopoly profits from their old cash cows still flow in but for how much longer? Other than the Windows/Office duopoly and bit in servers (which actually rides on the duopoly) nothing else that Microsoft makes or sells makes much profit.
Not every company is required to move into new markets, you know? Apple were forced to by their near-bankruptcy and their lack of influence in the desktop and enterprise arenas, because of the domination of Microsoft. Ironically the same company that drove Apple to the brink of annihilation was the one who's money in essence saved Apple.

The main problem with your logic is that the markets in which Microsoft dominate continue to grow and Microsoft continues to provide products for those markets - it's not as though the same product of 25 years ago is still being used.

Ford profits from their old cash cow of selling cars, but for how much longer? Did you see how ridiculous that sounded? Well only as ridiculous as your asinine comment.

If it weren't for your undying love for Apple, and your absolute hate towards Microsoft, your posts would be worthy of consideration.


Go Apple!
By claykin on 10/13/2010 9:09:32 PM , Rating: 3
I for one am thrilled that Apple is gaining market share. At some point virus authors will find it viable to pay attention to Apple and then we'll all see that the Mac really isn't the "end all be all" that so many people think it is.

Ever bother to read articles from respected security researchers that claim OSX is another security nightmare waiting to happen?

Here's one example: http://news.techworld.com/security/1798/mac-os-x-s...

On the other hand, I love having Apple around because it spurs innovation.

Rock on!




RE: Go Apple!
By will792 on 10/13/2010 9:40:42 PM , Rating: 2
The article you linked is from 2004. A little outdated in my book.


RE: Go Apple!
By MScrip on 10/13/2010 11:56:06 PM , Rating: 2
OS X has been around for 9 years and we're now talking about Macs having 10% marketshare in America and probably 5% worldwide.

No... virus authors still won't target Macs.


RE: Go Apple!
By Tony Swash on 10/14/10, Rating: 0
RE: Go Apple!
By Pirks on 10/14/2010 5:58:08 PM , Rating: 2
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made computing and using the internet a fearful and anxious experience for millions
imagine double the fear and anxiety of those same millions when they drop by the Apple store and see their price tags heheheee :)))


RE: Go Apple!
By Tony Swash on 10/14/2010 6:20:08 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
imagine double the fear and anxiety of those same millions when they drop by the Apple store and see their price tags heheheee :)))


Actually I think you will find that the visitors to the Apple stores (currently running at a million visitors a day) drop in, see the stuff for sale, see the prices and reach for their wallets :))

Apple's quarterly results are out next week - my prediction is another blow out record setting quarter - sales of all products will be up, revenues and profits will be up and the iPad sales figures will astound. Things look pretty good in the house of Apple.


Error in subject matter...
By jonmcc33 on 10/13/2010 9:36:49 PM , Rating: 3
You mean computer sales? Mac doesn't make any PC. They compete against them. 10% of total computer sales is actually quite bad.




RE: Error in subject matter...
By aggressor on 10/13/2010 9:47:12 PM , Rating: 1
Macs are quite PC compatible these days.


RE: Error in subject matter...
By roadhog1974 on 10/14/2010 12:10:55 AM , Rating: 4
PC means personal computer.

You might interpret that to mean windows machine,

FYI back in the day PC == Apple,

then IBM came along.


just a thought
By BrownSound on 10/13/2010 11:58:00 PM , Rating: 2
I figure you also would have to account for the portion of Windows users that use their computers primarily for gaming, and the huge majority of that market is built for hardware that runs best on windows. Even with the current strides that Valve is doing to get games on the Mac platform again, they still don't have the full potential of gaming that most Windows based games have.

Additionally, i haven't seen much in the overclocking and high performance enthusiasts that are mac based. (granted i havent looked everywhere yet) and they account for a part of the windows user usage




RE: just a thought
By amanojaku on 10/14/2010 12:19:58 AM , Rating: 2
There is no such thing as "hardware that runs best on Windows". Game developers and driver manufacturers are simply inexperienced with writing code for the Mac, and the Mac doesn't have DirectX, which is easier to code for than OpenGL. I used to prefer OpenGL, but DirectX is currently just as good or better.

Mac users are generally incapable of doing more than hitting a power button; overclocking is out of the question for most of them. And if you managed to overclock your Mac Jobs would kick you in the nuts.


RE: just a thought
By roadhog1974 on 10/14/2010 12:37:30 AM , Rating: 2
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Additionally, i haven't seen much in the overclocking and high performance enthusiasts that are mac based. (granted i havent looked everywhere yet) and they account for a part of the windows user usage


absolutely the kitset crowd are never going to go apple.

If anything is going to take over gaming it will be consoles.

Does mac even have gaming libraries?

DirectX is probably one of the smartest things
microsoft ever did.


it makes perfect sense
By GruntboyX on 10/13/2010 9:46:47 PM , Rating: 5
Its easy to figure. They stayed to their principals. You get a high quality product and excellent customer service. Every PC vendor cuts corners and puts up barriers to supporting you. Try asking for Restore Disks, your met with stiff resistance. Try getting a computer sans crapware, its impossible. Its a great retail experience, that other companies just dont mimic. Unfortunately I stick with the PC, because I really do like Windows, and willing to go the through the extra effort to just remove the crapware, and work around the restore disks. Since I have a good personal comfort working with Windows, I dont feels the quality support is a necessity.

However I can see how others don't feel that way. I wish a PC vendor would take that initiative. Why I am keeping a close eye on the Microsoft stores. I hope it helps restore the face of the PC. As it is, I like the Microsoft Signature Images, it gives alternatives to all the bloat/crapware configurations.




Life sure is perplexing sometimes
By Tony Swash on 10/14/10, Rating: 0
RE: Life sure is perplexing sometimes
By R3T4rd on 10/14/2010 9:03:26 AM , Rating: 2
Life is perplexing. But not Apple or Lord Jobs. Most of us don't drink the Apple Coolaide unlike what you do. Its pretty simple.

Now if you are talking about life...and all the questions such as why are we here? what are we supposed to do? How did we get here? and what is the meaning of life? - then yes. Those are perplexing questions.

Again you fail.


By Luticus on 10/14/2010 1:54:23 PM , Rating: 2
Steeve, is that you?


Apple is useless outside of the US
By jbwhite99 on 10/14/2010 10:54:02 AM , Rating: 2
Apple only sells in the US - their share outside of this country is non-existant. Apple sells as well as they do here due to their advertising - which is effective.

Net is that if you buy a $1000 Apple computer, you could have bought 2 of someone elses. I am assuming that they are trying to include iPad in their market share? Sorry, but it is in the same class as either iPhone or Kindle - it is not a PC (but then nothing Apple sells is really a PC, according to Justin Long).




By lawrance on 10/14/2010 11:24:24 AM , Rating: 2
Apple only sells in the US? You couldn't be more wrong. Official Apple stores exist in the UK, Japan, Canada, Italy, Australia, China, Switzerland, Germany, France and Spain. This does not count other retail partners worldwide. The iPad is has cut into 25% of net-book market-share. Yes that counts too. Get a clue.


Notice anything odd?
By phantom505 on 10/13/10, Rating: 0
RE: Notice anything odd?
By jhb116 on 10/13/2010 9:10:57 PM , Rating: 2
Apple has always been a PC as in personal computer. I wasn't an "IBM compatible" PC.


Hey Brandon
By YashBudini on 10/13/2010 11:19:58 PM , Rating: 2
How many died at Foxconn last month?




sooo...
By EasyC on 10/15/2010 7:22:55 AM , Rating: 2
When will we start seeing Fuddruckers change its name?




Here are some of the reasons they are gaining share
By sapiens74 on 10/13/10, Rating: -1
By zebrax2 on 10/13/2010 9:09:51 PM , Rating: 1
I'd take a guess that its more about the perception that Apple products are cool and that they get free advertisements from Movies and TV shows


By roadhog1974 on 10/13/2010 11:38:35 PM , Rating: 4
I very much doubt it is free.

I notice sony VAIO reasonably regularly.

computers != cool dosen't matter who makes it.

Presentation wise iMacs seem to present themselves better
in shops pc tends to be box + monitor plus cables
everywhere.


By quiksilvr on 10/14/2010 9:16:07 AM , Rating: 2
You do know that PC makers make All-in-One computers as well, right? See that's the nice part about it. If we want a box + monitor, we have a choice (both physically and financially) to do so if we wish.


By retrospooty on 10/13/2010 10:50:37 PM , Rating: 2
" Here are some of the reasons they are gaining share"

"Gaining share" can be easily manipulated. They may be increasing in US PC sales, but worldwide marketshare is stagnant at 5% and actually went down from 5.5% since Win7 was released.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.as...


By chick0n on 10/13/2010 11:04:17 PM , Rating: 1
what are you talking about?

1. You can buy all prebuild PCs at any place. I agreed that Worst Buy is probably the worst place to buy just about anything but there is nothing confusing about buying prebuild Windows based computers. people are just stupid thats all.

2. Built tough ? how? you don't even need to drop a Mac to break it, it starts a fire on its own.

3. LOL? can you name some example ?

4. That is very true, but in the end they should blame themselves for asking "cheapest price ever". You get what you paid for. Apple on the other hand, has high mark ups so of course they can hire workers in the US.

5. See #4

Just wait until Apple gets bigger market share and issues will arise. Now people are just too blindfolded to see them.


RE: Here are some of the reasons they are gaining share
By B3an on 10/14/2010 2:45:54 AM , Rating: 2
4. Isn't true at all. Apple have some of the worst support. I've known people with overheating products and Apple have literally done nothing. Then theres the famous exploding products where they have not done anything about or will only offer a replacement if the person agree's to not tell anyone about it. It does not matter what country the tech support service is in if it's still a **** service.


By robinthakur on 10/14/2010 6:36:52 AM , Rating: 1
I would say that your 'evidence' is anecdotal in nature and not representative of most Apple owners experiences with their support which I have always found courteous, free-thinking and unscripted and helpful.

The only exception to this experience is having to book Genius appointments in Apple Stores in advance to return products for a swap out if they are defective, that is really dumb given that it is a store and not an office..! Still, the last time that happened, I managed to get seen after complaining to a manager and they were fairly good about it...


By marvdmartian on 10/14/2010 8:59:20 AM , Rating: 2
"You're holding it wrong."

Yeah.....GREAT support! (eye roll)

Now, who wants to bet that the ipad has more to do with their increasing market share, than anything else? Once the novelty wears off, let's see where their numbers sit.


By Alexstarfire on 10/14/2010 5:50:03 AM , Rating: 2
1. Ummm, it is easily confusing. It might not be confusing to you and I, but if you can't see how it can be confusing they you are just kidding yourself.

2. Yea, agree with you on that. PCs can be worse built or better build, just depends on what you get. Apple isn't special in this category.

3. I generally agree, but the problem is that MS basically isn't allowed to integrate anything into it's OS anymore while Apple has basically been exempt. It's a double standard that makes no sense.

4. I'd rather get service without going in if I could. Of course, desktop PCs can generally be fixed at home if needed where as most Macs can't, especially iMacs. That's the bad part about all-in-ones.

5. I actually hate their stores. Worst store I've been in TBH, except for one store where they had 1 employee running the whole thing (it was a PetSmart).


By robinthakur on 10/14/2010 6:48:49 AM , Rating: 1
Re:1, Most on here won't understand this point as they are techies and know what everything does. However they don't understand that the buying public use computers as tools not as play-things and they simply want a good looking appliance which works all the time without exception.

My mother calls me whenever Windows update pops up or the virus checker is updating thinking the pc has broken. This is after Vista has spent 10 minutes booting up and loading all its drivers (its running short of OS breathing room on the 30GB C Drive) Getting her a mac would mean a far more simple life, really.


By Luticus on 10/14/2010 8:30:04 AM , Rating: 2
Mac's do not boot instantly and are ~as quick to boot as vista / 7...

if a vista machine takes more than ~3 - 5 minutes to boot something is wrong with it.

most importantly macs still do software updates and i have a virus scanner on my work mac... only a fool wouldn't.

going off of what you said how in the world would a mac be "easier", if anything she'd have culture shock changing up interfaces and such.


By Pirks on 10/14/2010 10:50:03 AM , Rating: 3
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Getting her a mac would mean a far more simple life, really
getting her a $300 AMD based microATX box loaded with clean Win7 and MSE would mean even simpler life than with a Mac, trust me on that, I specialize on delivering such AMD boxes to my relatives who don't even know how to turn computer on, I do it for a couple of years now and there was never a case where Mac would be better for them, and now after Live Essentials 2011 are out and I can FINALLY connect to their machines at will whenever I want... life is a peach, peachest of peaches and all


By amanojaku on 10/13/2010 11:45:23 PM , Rating: 2
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1. Go to an Apple retail store. Compare it to a local Best Buy or other computer store. Try order a Dell or HP online and the options are very confusing. Apple's limited selection makes it easy for the vast majority of purchasers.
In other words, the majority of people buying products are too stupid to shop around. Even without understanding computers, one could just copy the specs and look for a competing product at a lower cost. And I have yet to see anyone ask Apple to lower its prices considering the hardware is identical or inferior (spec-wise, definitely; quality-wise, usually).
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2. The iMac and Macbook pro stand out amongst their PC counterparts as built tough and elegant and not just for functionality sake.
I beg to differ. The Intel Macs are less sturdy than the PowerPC Macs; many of my coworkers, ex-coworkers and friends have Macs and they don't last as long as the HPs and Lenovos. As to the aesthetics, I think the bland silver styling is ugly. And Windows 7 looks better than OS X, in my opinion. But I would prefer if ALL operating systems supported replacement shells: I used to install Litestep back in the day.
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3. Price. All things considered, the base level Mac has everything needed out of the box. The PC may need additional software.
Define "everything". You get an OS, but you still need an office productivity suite (iWork won't cut it).

As to free software, when I had a Mac I refused to use Safari for anything other than downloading Firefox, Chrome, or Opera. I dropped iTunes a few years ago in favor of VLC; the VLC interface is crap, but it supports more CODECs and has less bloat.
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4. Support. All North American. Most people who have dealt with Dell or HP only complain that they have to speak to someone from India. Those of us who have Gold support with these companies know they have good technical support, but not to the average consumer. Apple treats them like VIP's.
I wouldn't know; my hardware has never failed under warranty, and I've never called MS in 20 years for anything other than product activation. My friends' Macs, on the other hand... OS crashes that require re-installs, SuperDrives failed, screens failed, keyboards failed, etc... I spent $800 on my box over six years, while my friends spent an average of $2,000 every two-three years on their Macs.
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5. Retail stores with training and support help bolster the image. One stop shop for all hardware and software questions. HP and Dell might point you to other vendors when issues arise.
That flies in the face of Apple's "it just works" philosophy. Clearly it doesn't "just work" if you need that much assistance. As you said, it's an image, not a reality.

Neither Dell nor HP point you to other vendors because they are trained by MS to support the OS on their hardware. System integrators like Dell and HP are trained and certified to provide complete support for 99% of all issues. They are generally unable to provide support for faulty drivers that come from 3rd parties, but they can do everything else. Apple doesn't support 3rd party software, either, because it doesn't get paid for it, so I don't see how it's different from other vendors.

Apple is a fad for people who want to impress you with how much money they spent. Fools and their money...


By StevoLincolnite on 10/14/2010 12:13:33 AM , Rating: 2
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I beg to differ. The Intel Macs are less sturdy than the PowerPC Macs


I concur, it's like comparing today's Macbook Air against an old Powerbook, I know which will be my weapon of choice to hit someone over the head with. (The ole' Powerbook.)

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I think the bland silver styling is ugly. And Windows 7 looks better than OS X, in my opinion. But I would prefer if ALL operating systems supported replacement shells: I used to install Litestep back in the day.


I've always thought this way as well, I would rather a nice large case, clear window, filled with LED's and cathodes, and a nice UV reactive water cooling system. - Looks helluva' lot better than another standardish looking box wrapped in aluminum foil in my opinion.


By robinthakur on 10/14/2010 7:00:13 AM , Rating: 2
I'm with you on the Powerbook, my G4 from 2004 is still going strong!!!

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I would rather a nice large case, clear window, filled with LED's and cathodes, and a nice UV reactive water cooling system. - Looks helluva' lot better than another standardish looking box wrapped in aluminum foil in my opinion


lol then the Mac is not for you, are you being serious? The only bit of the style disaster you omitted was a sound-reactive lighting system...although I might enjoy it on a technical level, it would mark me out as being a bit of a geek. Whilst I used to build my own PC's when I was in uni, I now just use a Macbook Pro and iPad pretty much. I'd like to say how ashamed I am to have bought into Apple, but in reality, life is simpler. Playing with the OS and tweaking it to run faster and play games is a far lower priority to me now than it used to be.

The only cases 'wrapped in aluminium foil' or spray painted silver are pc cases trying to look like Macs....in my experience


By StevoLincolnite on 10/14/2010 10:41:35 AM , Rating: 2
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The only bit of the style disaster you omitted was a sound-reactive lighting system...


Style. Hmm, just like how skinny jeans and over-sized sunnies are style? Then do count me out.

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Playing with the OS and tweaking it to run faster and play games is a far lower priority to me now than it used to be.


It's actually not that difficult, tweaking? Haven't done a single piece of that with Windows 7, generally just install the game and off I go... It's simple, fast, looks great.


RE: Here are some of the reasons they are gaining share
By ET on 10/14/2010 5:51:09 AM , Rating: 2
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In other words, the majority of people buying products are too stupid to shop around. Even without understanding computers, one could just copy the specs and look for a competing product at a lower cost. And I have yet to see anyone ask Apple to lower its prices considering the hardware is identical or inferior (spec-wise, definitely; quality-wise, usually).


First of all, the point was completely unrelated to shopping around. It was related to the complexity of the sites. Faced with too much choice, most people tend to choose not to choose. It's a well known fact. Give people a limited choice and they'll make it.

As for specs, I think it's actually the people who do care about specs who are stupid. Those who care about them but don't understand them certainly are prone to make mistakes, and those who understand, the techies, typically spend unneeded money because of their obsession with specs. I'm one, I know I bought stuff that was overkill, and that's even though I buy mid-range stuff, not high end. Most lay people can make do with very limited hardware.


By CU on 10/14/2010 9:23:33 AM , Rating: 2
I tell most people to buy the cheapest Dell, HP, or whatever they can find on sale. Unless they have some specific use case in mind, games, htpc, etc. Spending over $400 dollars is pointless for most people. So, that means that all Macs are pointless for most people. Apple has almost all of its market share only because of the need for people to show off what they can buy.


By Iaiken on 10/14/2010 10:28:30 AM , Rating: 2
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I think it's actually the people who do care about specs who are stupid. Those who care about them but don't understand them certainly are prone to make mistakes, and those who understand, the techies, typically spend unneeded money because of their obsession with specs.


That entirely depends on what you do with it. I am a developer and a gamer and I routinely get all 4 physical cores cooking away at 100% usage for my own code. If I threw my code on a 6-core extreme edition, it would use every ounce of it.

If you're building a PC based purely on your desire to be able to rattle off your specs on every internet forum out there in an attempt to make your penis grow, well then I guess I could agree. However, if you're writing or running code that routinely pushes that hardware to it's limits, then every minute saved is a minute I can spend on something else.

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I'm one, I know I bought stuff that was overkill, and that's even though I buy mid-range stuff, not high end.


Woopdeedoo? I'm sorry you have buyers remorse, but the majority of people aren't you.

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Most lay people can make do with very limited hardware.


Look, the idea of good-enough computing has basically become a reality. For the vast majority of users, even a crappy dual core atom and an ION can basically suit the needs of the lay-user. It's snappy enough that there is no interface lag, browses the internet, runs office, can stream full motion video in 720i from the net or decode a 1080i blu-ray video seamlessly.

It all boils down to presentation and purchaser habits. Buying a PC is less expensive, but harder to do because the lay-user essentially drowns in a sea of specs. Buying a mac on the other hand is laughably easy, 6 form factors each with an extremely limited range of upgrades. It's easier to do, but it will cost you.

Upgrading an iMac from an i5-760 to an i7-870 costs you $200, actual retail price difference is: $70. That's an almost 300% markup on the upgrade cost, which is AFTER the massive markup on the i5-760 that it is replacing in the first place.

To quote the S-Job, "What? stupid people need computers too, only they gotta pay!"


RE: Here are some of the reasons they are gaining share
By Pirks on 10/14/2010 10:56:46 AM , Rating: 2
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Upgrading an iMac from an i5-760 to an i7-870 costs you $200, actual retail price difference is: $70. That's an almost 300% markup on the upgrade cost
Yeah like all the other PC manufacturers like Dell/HP don't do exactly the same. Double standard or you're just child-naive?


By Iaiken on 10/14/2010 2:29:20 PM , Rating: 1
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Yeah like all the other PC manufacturers like Dell/HP don't do exactly the same. Double standard or you're just child-naive?


Do you even bother to look up facts before you spout off with bullshit?

Dell: Upgrade from i5-760 to an i7-870 costs you at most $100 (42% markup). On some systems, it's actually a FREE upgrade (-100%).

HP: Upgrade from i5-760 to an i7-870 costs anywhere from $75 (+7%) to $150 (+215%).

Now tell me which of these markups is lower than 300%?

A) 42%
B) -100%
C) 7%
D) 215%
E) All of the above
F) None of the above

You really ARE a moron aren't you?


RE: Here are some of the reasons they are gaining share
By Pirks on 10/14/2010 2:45:12 PM , Rating: 2
Don't be an idiot, of course their markup is slightly lower because their systems are cheaper


By Iaiken on 10/14/2010 4:03:30 PM , Rating: 2
Way to back-peddle Pirks.

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do exactly the same


Not only are they NOT exactly the same, they are often SIGNIFICANTLY lower. Often half the cost of the exact same upgrade.

Now I am all for ripping off stupid people and I actually applaud Apple for not only ripping people off, but leaving them happier for it. The old adage that "A fool and his money are soon parted." will be true so long as there are people with more money than brains.

However, if you value your money, Apple products are not for you. My wife was looking to replace her current 24" iMac with a Mac Pro. She doesn't actually need any Apple-specific software for her work so I priced her out a Windows 7 system with the same parts and a 1-week vacation for two in Florence, Italy for the same price as the Mac Pro she wanted. Guess what, we're going to Florence for our Anniversary. :P


RE: Here are some of the reasons they are gaining share
By Pirks on 10/14/2010 5:16:36 PM , Rating: 2
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they are often SIGNIFICANTLY lower
Try Sony :P
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we're going to Florence for our Anniversary
Yeah no difference between PC and Mac indeed. I too can go to Florence with my wife if I choose self assembled PC over Sony. So what? You'll fail at shoveling Apple around for being "expensive" 'cause I have Sony that I will shovel around too for the same reason. Just give up :)))


By Iaiken on 10/14/2010 5:42:49 PM , Rating: 2
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I have Sony


Which is a convenient choice since they don't have any way for you to figure out configure their systems and see what upgrades cost.


By frobizzle on 10/14/2010 12:21:12 PM , Rating: 1
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The iMac and Macbook pro stand out amongst their PC counterparts as built tough and elegant and not just for functionality sake.

You're joking, right? A Lenovo Thinkpad is probably the best built laptop and makes the Apple iCrap and MacBarf look sick!

If we wanted to test that, we just need to give one of each to a low intellect gorilla. Is Pirks available for the task?


By Pirks on 10/14/2010 12:24:42 PM , Rating: 2
I'm available if you swallow.


By Iaiken on 10/14/2010 4:08:03 PM , Rating: 2
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A Lenovo Thinkpad is probably the best built laptop and makes the Apple iCrap and MacBarf look sick!


When I was in college, I dropped my Thinkpad down flight of marble stairs. Nothing broke, just some superficial scratches and it booted up just fine. In fact, one of my friends still has that laptop after a memory and HDD upgrade.


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