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Apple CEO Steve Jobs  (Source: Business Insider)

Apple COO Tim Cook

Apple compares its latest portable device -- the iPad -- to a religious icon at the device's launch event.  (Source: Gizmodo)
"Well, we are the most focused company that I know of, or have read of, or have any knowledge of." - Tim Cook

Apple Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook delivered a rather interesting Q&A session at a Goldman Sachs tech conference on Tuesday.  In it he reaffirmed Apple's assertion that its floundering Apple TV product is really just "a hobby".  He also offered some insight into how product development works in Cupertino and said that Apple has no qualms with rejecting good ideas "every day".

When asked about whether hubris and complacency were issues for Apple, Mr. Cook responds [Quicktime Streaming]:

The executive team of the company spends a lot of time thinking and discussing how to retain and recruit the best talent in the world, because at the end of the day – I know it's a cliché – but people are our most important asset by far, and it's people that deliver innovation which is key to us. And so what else do we do other than that? Well, we are the most focused company that I know of, or have read of, or have any knowledge of. We say no to good ideas every day. We say no to great ideas in order to keep the amount of things we focus on very small in number, so that we can put enormous energy behind the ones we do choose, so that we can deliver the best products in the world. In fact, the table that each of you are sitting at today, you could probably put every product on it that Apple makes, and yet Apple's revenue last year was over $40 billion. I think the only other company that could say that is an oil company.
And that is not from just saying "Yes" to the right product which gets a lot of focus. It's saying no to many products that are good ideas, but just not nearly as good as the other ones. And so I think that this is so ingrained in our company that this hubris that you talk about which happens to companies that are successful but then decide that their sole role in life is to get bigger, and they start adding this and that and this and that. I can tell you the management team of Apple would never let that happen. That's not what we're about. So, focus on people, and ensuring that it's a small list of things to work on and putting all of our wood behind those things, that's the magic behind us.


About Apple TV, Mr. Cook commented, "Apple TV is still a hobby. We've been very clear about that. The reason that we call it a hobby... if you look at the other businesses we're in, these businesses are all in huge markets. The unit volumes in these things is huge. Apple TV is in a market that's very small. Today. Apple TV did grow in the quarter we just finished by 35% in a unit basis year-over-year.  No interest in going into the TV market. But still think there's something there. So we continue to invest in this as a hobby."

He also delivers a prophecy of the netbook industry dying -- apparently at the hands of the iPad.  He claims, "iPad new use case or replacement for netbooks? We haven't sold one. I'm a paranoid guy by nature, but I'm not losing any sleep over cannibalization, to be honest with you. Who would buy it? I've been very clear about my view of netbooks. I think they are an experience that most people will not want to continue to have. People were interested in the price and they got it home and used it and went 'Why did I buy this?' so I think when somebody looks at iPad and compares it to a netbook, I find it hard to believe that people are going to buy netbooks. Not everyone will make the comparison so I'm not suggesting that. But I think what I'd rather do with this question is report back to you."  

He also implies that Microsoft is bloated employee-wise, commenting, "Which way is OS market moving? I don't see it as this or that -- iPhone vs. Mac -- or this over that. I think there is a place for both. What you're seeing for Apple is that the Mac OS is very scalable. Huge competitive advantage for Apple. Use the Mac OS in a lot of products. Don't think there's another company that can use the foundation of their OS that way. Move at a fast speed with many fewer people than it would take if we were geographically north."

Apple recently announced its latest bid at an electronics powerhouse with the iPad.  We shall learn this spring if Apple's latest creation has the power to generate waves in the marketplace like the iPod and iPhone.

 



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IT doesn't even have a full OS
By BioRebel on 2/24/2010 11:25:53 AM , Rating: 5
I didn't drop $400 on my Eee PC to get a half-assed cell phone OS. I paid $400 so I could get a full operating system with a 10 hour battery life to supplement my desktop at home.

Also if MAC OS is so scalable then why not just put IT on the ipad? I would have been far more impressed with the device if it has an actual operating system, and wasn't just a large iphone.




RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By MojoMan on 2/24/2010 11:35:41 AM , Rating: 5
EXACTLY, and this is why people still like their net books. The battery life and portability is unmatched. People still love them for that reason, and expect to use them for precisely those purposes.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By The0ne on 2/24/2010 11:49:26 AM , Rating: 5
and physical keyboard! :) I still use excel and word and can't imagine doing 90wpm on any touch devices.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By bhieb on 2/24/2010 1:04:20 PM , Rating: 2
Especially one that is too big to "2 thumb" it like a phone. #1 problem IMHO too big to be a thumber, to small to sit on a desk and type on. Same problems tablets have had for years, INPUT INPUT INPUT.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By Ralos on 2/24/10, Rating: -1
RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By afkrotch on 2/25/2010 8:45:54 PM , Rating: 1
I have small hands, so I could do 90 wpm on a netbook. I obviously do more on a regular keyboard.

I use the Asus Seashell. The keys are almost the same size of a regular keyboard, but laptop keyboards always slow me down. Be it a netbook or 17" laptop.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By biggsjm on 2/24/2010 3:14:20 PM , Rating: 5
You can type 90 WPM on a netbook? Video link please.

I don't believe you.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By Mitch101 on 2/24/2010 3:25:41 PM , Rating: 5
You question "The0ne"


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By omnicronx on 2/24/2010 5:50:54 PM , Rating: 3
It all depends on the size of your fingers, I can hit 120WPM on a normal keyboard, and if my fingers were not so fat I could easily hit 90 on a netbook. In fact I could probably do it on a netbook if spelling was not an issue.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By Alexvrb on 2/25/2010 12:05:10 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah but you could get 300wpm on an iPad - it's a total netbook slayer! Not.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By DEredita on 2/24/2010 11:51:35 AM , Rating: 5
....but, the question is "Does it support flash?"

oh wait... lol


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By bysmitty on 2/24/2010 12:41:08 PM , Rating: 5
But if the iPad ran a proper version of OSx it would have an open software system and all the apps and add-ons wouldn't have to be filtered through Apple's lucrative app store and Apple couldn't take a cut of every piece of software sold for the device. The iPad would then support flash too and you could get your games for free from gaming portals instead of having to pay for them from the app store. You would also be able to use youtube, hulu, and various other video sites for your video needs instead of having to pay for your content on iTunes.

There is no doubt in my mind that Apple could easy scale down OSx for the iPad and support flash without issue. But by acting as the doorman for just about all content that comes in and out they get to skim a share off from every piece of content sold on top of the ridiculous profit margins on their hardware.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By jmhart on 2/24/10, Rating: -1
By ClownPuncher on 2/24/2010 12:57:39 PM , Rating: 5
You *really* have to hassle with Windows? I mean, we aren't exactly on Windows '95 anymore.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By Pirks on 2/24/2010 1:23:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't have a choice
Consoles? Alan Wake anyone? 8-P


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By drycrust3 on 2/24/2010 1:48:33 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I, for one, am willing to pay more for something that is less hassle than a Windows based machine


Well, Ubuntu is free to download, and free to install, and free to surf and browse and ... most (but not all) of the things you do with Windows. And when it comes to renewing your Antivirus subscription you can ignore it.

You said you had some spare machines, why not install it on one and give it a try. What does it cost you? Well, all those hours spent each week shepherding you Windows machine ...


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By kmmatney on 2/24/2010 4:06:21 PM , Rating: 2
I and a few people I know have all tried Ubuntu. Its great for a little while, and then we you try to do anything out of the ordinary, its becomes a big mess in a hurry. Even on my spare machines, it just easier to put an old copy of Windows 2000 on them.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By petrosy on 2/24/2010 6:47:26 PM , Rating: 1
The thing about Ubuntu or any linux really is that people try and compare it to Windows.
The correct approach is to use it with Linux in mind and not trying to match how MS Windows does things.

Games is the big downside for Linux with me as I play a lot. However everything else.... I can't think of a single thing that I need to do with Windows that I can't do with Linux. My all time favourite use of Linux is my Media Center... MS does not even come close even with Win7.

As for Apple ... I am sure its great..what ever! My linux media center costed me $300 and runs like a dream with a 30~40sec cold boot, I can't fault it.

Again forget what you know about windows and approach linux with a fresh mind.... you may just be pleasantly surprised!


By damianrobertjones on 2/25/2010 9:14:49 AM , Rating: 2
Windows Media Center with a WHS machine seems to handle all my media just fine.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By marvdmartian on 2/24/2010 1:56:00 PM , Rating: 4
A hassle with windows? I'd be interested in what sort of hassles you experience with a modern windows operating system, especially now that 7 is out.

As to the COO of Apple's line, where he discusses why they put out a limited number of products:
quote:
In fact, the table that each of you are sitting at today, you could probably put every product on it that Apple makes, and yet Apple's revenue last year was over $40 billion.


I wonder if the real truth of the matter is that if Apple put out too many of their overpriced products, their customer base wouldn't be able to afford all of them, and eventually would turn to other (cheaper) products that work just as well (but aren't endorsed by his Holyness, Steve Jobs)??


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By kmmatney on 2/24/10, Rating: -1
RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By jRaskell on 2/24/2010 4:29:20 PM , Rating: 5
I googled Windows 7 cleartype and the first link provided the solution to both 'tuning' and disabling cleartype, including a step-by-step tutorial! I guess I'd have to agree that Windows is a big hassle for anybody that isn't even capable of googling.


By atlmann10 on 2/24/2010 4:34:34 PM , Rating: 2
Hmmm, are you sure you use 7, because it took me about 5 minutes to get rid of cleartype on a laptop and a desktop. I have of course been on 7 since initial beta release. Here is an easy solution for you as I don't feel like explaining it, and it is much more complete than just changing your font's, it will help you change everything to where you want it to be. This guide also helps you change everything to your level of knowledge as well as the area you want to use it in (IE: novice setup, performance setup, full scale down with registry edits etc)

http://www.tweakhound.com/windows7/index.htm

You may have to cut and paste it. There is also a full guide to do the same thing for XP and Vista.......!


By damianrobertjones on 2/25/2010 9:13:28 AM , Rating: 1
I have 6 Windows machines in my home and look after 120+ work.

At home, no problems, in work, hardly none due to being locked down.

I think you might be doing something wrong!


By chick0n on 3/2/2010 9:59:25 PM , Rating: 1
Windows? Hassle ?

That means you're retarded.

enuff' said.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By ClownPuncher on 2/24/2010 12:55:45 PM , Rating: 3
Even then, with no physical keyboard and no way to comfortably hold the thing while typing, who will bother?

Open netbook, put on desk, screen is already facing you! Wow, innovative!


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By luseferous on 2/24/2010 1:38:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
and no way to comfortably hold the thing while typing, who will bother?


Completley agree, though I wouldnt have a problem with the onscreen keyboard itself. Imo the only problem with the iphone/pod kb is the size, scale it up and it will be petty good.

Wonder why they didnt put a flipout stand on the thing.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By Pirks on 2/24/10, Rating: -1
RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By luseferous on 2/24/2010 3:06:19 PM , Rating: 2
But again not built in.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By Pirks on 2/24/10, Rating: -1
RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By ClownPuncher on 2/24/2010 3:35:50 PM , Rating: 5
Neat, I can buy extra things to make the iPad marginally functional. So, when all is said and done, with the top end iPad + accessories and adapters for USB ports etc. it will only cost me around $750-800?

NO WONDER IT IS BEING COMPARED TO THE TABLETS THE 10 COMMANDMENTS WERE CARVED INTO!!


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By Pirks on 2/25/10, Rating: -1
By ClownPuncher on 2/26/2010 12:12:48 AM , Rating: 3
If I were going to buy an Apple computer, for a little more - at $999, I would get a MacBook, which would be infinitely more useful.

This product is just not good enough.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By luseferous on 2/24/2010 1:04:36 PM , Rating: 2
I love my netbook and would not dream of trading it in for an iPad for a whole bunch of reasons. Most of which have been gone over in these threads many times before.

quote:
You would also be able to use youtube


Actually you probably will be able to use youtube. There is a built in app for the phone and I would be surprised if it did not make it onto the pad. There are also plenty of free apps and games on the app store. (some of reasonble quality) That Apple don't make a penny off.

Having said that. I agree with the rest of your post and would also ask where are the usb ports ?


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By Pirks on 2/24/10, Rating: -1
By luseferous on 2/24/2010 1:56:03 PM , Rating: 2
Ok it sort of has a usb port if you buy it. Next question does the o/s support removable media eg. flash, portable Hdd and optical drives rather than just allowing the transfer of photos from a camera. (genuine question)

I really wanted to like the ipad but just can't. It falls so far short of my expectations of a 'proper' pc that it's just not for me. However allowing the above would in my eyes at least would be a large step in the right direction.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By nafhan on 2/24/2010 4:08:05 PM , Rating: 2
To piggy back on your comment:
System requirements for the original version of OS X was a G3 processor and 64MB RAM.


By damianrobertjones on 2/25/2010 9:12:07 AM , Rating: 2
..if it ran on the iPad, apple would have to think for awhile as all the G5 owners would be up in arms after leopard left them in the dark.. only supporting intel cpu's.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By 3minence on 2/24/2010 3:20:14 PM , Rating: 4
Agreed. The Netbook may be doomed, but it won't be killed by the iPad.

If the iPad had a cut down MacOS on it able to run MS Office as well as other apps, I might have been interested. But the iPhone OS? No thanks.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By atlmann10 on 2/24/2010 4:45:50 PM , Rating: 3
If anyone wants to see a real tablet, not an upsized iPhone, check this out. It has a dual core ARM processor and a tegra2 processor, as well as a full OS 1080P default graphics capability.

http://notionink.in/index.php


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By themaster08 on 2/25/2010 2:06:48 AM , Rating: 2
Excellent find. It even looks better than the iPad IMO.

I've just watched the video. It's eBook viewing capabilities far surpass that of the iPad. Well, just about everythihng about it surpasses the iPad.

Now all they need to do is to market the hell out of the thing to show people what they can really get for their money.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By Aloonatic on 2/25/2010 3:14:38 AM , Rating: 2
That does look pretty awesome.

Hardware accelerated flash with HDMI out is always useful these days, and the duel screen thingy could be brilliant, if it works well.

Just... Where's the price?


By Aloonatic on 2/25/2010 3:25:11 AM , Rating: 2
Oh, no worries, I watched the video, the price will "make me happy".

If android supports devices like this, with 10" screens, Apple might find themselves convincing people that they need a tablet, and then they realise that something like this will do the job better, and for less.

Worth keeping an eye on at least.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By afkrotch on 2/25/2010 8:49:33 PM , Rating: 2
There's plenty of these things going around. Archos tablets, the Viliv, and other ones out there. The cost is just higher for the better ones.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By KoolAidMan1 on 2/25/2010 4:50:28 AM , Rating: 2
Shame that netbooks run like crap. I don't know if a tablet is for me but I sure as hell know that netbooks aren't for me. Better IMO to spend a little extra and get a real notebook, not a POS that is slow and crippled in every single way.


RE: IT doesn't even have a full OS
By afkrotch on 2/25/2010 8:53:35 PM , Rating: 2
Depends on what you want to use it for. I use my netbook for nothing more than videos.


Nope
By damianrobertjones on 2/24/2010 11:24:08 AM , Rating: 2
People took home Netbooks and thought, "This is too small". They then went away and purchased a slightly larger machine or stuck with it.

People will bring the iPad home and think, "Why the heck did I buy this? It takes ages to write that really long message to my friend"

I own(ed) an Asus R2h which sits there and downloads from the web, that's it, plus very light and quick web access. I've also owned various tablets over the years and I love them.

Every single person, upon seeing the tablet(s), states, "ohh that's nice" and then walks away. At no point do any of those people want to buy. I do not know one person with a UMPC(mid as they're now called) or tablet. Not one. None.

There are PLENTY of tablets there. To buy the iPad is silly




RE: Nope
By MojoMan on 2/24/2010 11:34:45 AM , Rating: 2
I agree. I honestly think this will be an Apple fail (granted the first in a while). Sure, neat concept, but again... No flash support? No multi tasking? No ports? People NEED even their net books do these things. I talked to a fan of Apple (buys and loves their products) just yesterday, and just not having USB ports alone was enough to turn him off of the product.

There was another person I talked to a couple weeks ago that has been eagerly waiting for the iPad to come out, but once he found out he couldn't get his work done with it due to the overwhelming LACK of features, he has decided he can't get one.

Don't even get me started on the added cost of your AT&T plan.


RE: Nope
By reader1 on 2/24/10, Rating: -1
RE: Nope
By DEredita on 2/24/2010 11:42:55 AM , Rating: 2
It isn't even out yet. How about this, report back one month after the official release date with concrete sales numbers and not corporate marketing hype and investor speculation.


RE: Nope
By Nutzo on 2/24/2010 12:24:52 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure they'll initially sell alot of these to the Apple "Fan boys". Even the IBM PC Jr was sold out for the first couple months after it was released :)

Long term I don't see the market. Too expensive and too limited of a product.

At home, I don't need a small laptop. When I travel, I need the ability to do the following:
1. Small & light weight.
2. Access to the internet (WiFi)
3. VPN or Remote Desktop (windows) into the office.
4. Space to load several DVD movie rips for the kids.
5. Space to backup pictures/video from the camera while on vacation.
6. Off-line email (like outlook) so I can compose or read emails while not on-line. especially important when you are paying by the minute like on a cruise ship.

The ipad only does items 1 & 2. A netbook, or small laptop can do all 6 at much a cheaper price.


RE: Nope
By cochy on 2/24/10, Rating: -1
RE: Nope
By justsomeone on 2/24/2010 3:36:42 PM , Rating: 2
You can only speculate about logmein actually working without an overhaul so #3 is up in the air. You have to buy proprietary adapters ($cha-ching$) to connect an SD card or USB device for picture/video transfer. So #5 is a bust unless you give up even more money for what SHOULD be standard equipment. Would you like to compare storage GB/$ and see how many movies you can get on an iPad vs. a typical netbook?

I believe other companies are already developing better products that to me just make way more sense. For example, swivel touch screen netbooks will be out soon that perform just like a tablet PC when you want them to. See this one from Asus.

http://hothardware.com/Articles/Asus-Eee-PC-T91-Sw...


RE: Nope
By cochy on 2/24/10, Rating: 0
RE: Nope
By justsomeone on 2/24/2010 5:05:09 PM , Rating: 4
It's because the audience here is not a group that Apple can effectively market to for the most part. It's just not what we want and you're not going to be successful trying to sell or paint it in a good light because the whole approach of Apple goes against the fabric of who we are. Engineers, technicians, scientists etc... do not swallow easily the notion that any company knows better about what we want than we do especially for a premium price. I can recognize their success for what it is however and that the general public likes their products.


RE: Nope
By Gungel on 2/24/2010 12:08:23 PM , Rating: 2
Well Jobs used the word magical and not revolutionary in his presentation. Wonder if it comes with a bag of pixie dust to make it work. lol


RE: Nope
By themaster08 on 2/24/2010 12:09:22 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Report: Initial iPad demand greater than iPhone's

The demand was mistaken for MaxiPad's rather than the iPad.

On a serious note: Initial demand != success.


RE: Nope
By MrWho on 2/24/2010 3:00:02 PM , Rating: 1
Since all you do is post rubish in here, even the iPad is more powerful than you'll ever need.


RE: Nope
By omnicronx on 2/24/2010 6:06:57 PM , Rating: 2
Apple would be tooting their horn if this were true. Until they release pre orders you might as well shut your trap, a random survey means absolutely nothing.

Best part is the article plainly says that alot of these potential sales were talking away from other Apple products (25% of people who said they would want one), whether that be holding off instead of buying a macbook, or an ipod touch/iphone.

They also don't specify who they surveyed or how, and as usual who do you think would be more likely to answer such a survey? Most people that are flat out uninterested will not partake.


RE: Nope
By frobizzle on 2/25/2010 8:31:10 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I'm buying an iPad instead of a new PC.

Dear DailyTech,

Please revamp your discussion pages to include lots of Flash content. Perhaps that will discourage these Apple zombies from blathering here. Thank you.


RE: Nope
By Pirks on 2/25/2010 9:48:44 AM , Rating: 1
Dear PC fanatics,

Please read up on Click2Flash and stop being so dumb. Thank you.


RE: Nope
By The0ne on 2/24/2010 11:54:22 AM , Rating: 2
I think you might have missed Anandtech's review of the iPad where they bashed the hell out of tablets and anything that is used to compare to the it. That is one reason why people get the wrong ideas about products.

According to Anand, NONE of them have found a suitable tablet notebook for use. Not a single one. How unbelievable is this crap? I've used many tablets PC like you have and they work wonderfully. I've no idea what they want in a tablet, maybe to also serve coffee, but to give tablet PC that kind of remark is just absolutely baffling and insulting.

And yes, I've commented on Anand's review as well. :)


RE: Nope
By SavagePotato on 2/24/2010 12:26:15 PM , Rating: 2
There never is going to be a suitable tablet. Typing on a screen is never going to suffice compared to a proper keyboard.

When the day comes when you can enter text via thought through some sort of brain scan technology then the tablet might be useful.

Till then the optimum control scheme for a computer remains and will remain keyboard and mouse. Even the touchpad is annoying to me and I find myself using a mouse with a notebook if I can.


RE: Nope
By jmhart on 2/24/2010 12:52:18 PM , Rating: 2
I think that's why most of the tablets I've ever seen are capable of connecting to a full size keyboard if you need to (in Jobs' words in reference to the full size keyboard dock for the iPad), "Write War and Peace."


RE: Nope
By The0ne on 2/24/2010 12:53:14 PM , Rating: 2
Umm, I don't think the tablet is suppose to be used the way you've described it. You have a notebook with a tablet. That means you still have a keyboard and the use of a mouse. The tablet feature is nice when you want to, say, scribble notes during a presentation. You can also use it when you just want to write with your hands instead of typing, which is nice from time to time.

Whomever invented the touchpad should be shot! If not him/her then the placement of the it on most notebooks! :D God I hate the touchpad.


RE: Nope
By chrnochime on 2/24/2010 1:16:54 PM , Rating: 2
Whereas you like the thumbpad that IBM is/was famous for on their thinkpad?

When I'm out in the field doing work, I don't have the luxury of finding a level surface to rest the laptop, let alone a place for even the compact laptop mouse. I can move around windows just fine with the touchpad with my right index and not bother with the mouse.


Wow
By amanojaku on 2/24/2010 11:32:07 AM , Rating: 5
I'm not sure what's worse: the idea that Cook is a liar and wants us to believe this crap, or that Cook really DOES believe this crap.

But he's right about one thing: Apple is focused. It never takes its eyes off your ass just in case you need screwing.




RE: Wow
By Inkjammer on 2/24/2010 12:07:45 PM , Rating: 5
When has any company ever put out a product going "we didn't expect it to sell, it's just a hobby".

Let alone, when has Apple *EVER* put out a product, and didn't hype it up as a [X] revolutionary [ ] magical [ ] wonderful [ ] extraordinary device that will forever change the media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzIr8vCQDwk

Apple even admitted that Apple TV was a failure, and "not what people wanted" (about a minute into the video). Apple even promoted the Apple TV as the next big thing in 2008 again, too... not merely a "hobby'.

I guess now, Apple doesn't want to admit a product is a failure, so they'll call it a "hobby" so they justify why it didn't sell.


RE: Wow
By Omega215D on 2/24/2010 12:11:27 PM , Rating: 5
Aha! So Tim Cook is the persona behind what we call reader1. Not sure who Pirks or iFan are though.


RE: Wow
By frobizzle on 2/25/2010 8:37:48 AM , Rating: 2
They're all just Apple zombies, ready to follow the beck and call of their lord Jobs.It doesn't matter what they call themselves. They gave up independent thinking when they chose to follow their messiah.


RE: Wow
By Pirks on 2/25/2010 10:02:14 AM , Rating: 1
I'm using all of my three PC laptops (Asus, Alienware and Dell) and somehow this doesn't prevent me from laughing at PC zealots like you. Your crazy round o'clock barking up the Apple tree is so funny, really :)))


RE: Wow
By frobizzle on 2/25/2010 10:29:22 AM , Rating: 2
Gee! I didn't realize people were still using Microsoft Bob!


RE: Wow
By MrWho on 2/25/2010 10:34:56 AM , Rating: 2
Ooooh, he's got three laptops! Envy! O_O

/sarcasm


RE: Wow
By MrWho on 2/25/2010 10:38:08 AM , Rating: 2
I wanted to add:

That was akin to saying "Hey! I've got black friends and everything, but I hate niggers!"


RE: Wow
By Pirks on 2/25/2010 10:38:29 AM , Rating: 2
good thing I didn't tell you about my desktop then :P


RE: Wow
By frobizzle on 2/25/2010 12:28:19 PM , Rating: 2
Windows 386?


RE: Wow
By Pirks on 2/25/2010 1:18:35 PM , Rating: 2
what's that?


Only Intel can kill the netbook market
By Nutzo on 2/24/2010 11:54:04 AM , Rating: 2
The main thing holding back the netbook market, is the limits placed on it my intel & microsoft. I personally find the single core atom to be too slow and the 10" screen too small for my use. They are too afraid of canabalizing more profitable laptop sales.
I went with an Acer 11.6" timeline with the dual core 1.2Ghz celeron. Only $399, but 2.5x the cpu, higher res screen, 3.2 pounds, full 64 bit windows 7, and upgradable to 4GB ram. No CD drive, so I'd still consider it a netbook.




By DEredita on 2/24/2010 11:57:37 AM , Rating: 2
If Intel were to drop out of the netbook market, I would only assume that AMD would march in like a pack of hungry animals to nom down the remains.


RE: Only Intel can kill the netbook market
By Dorkyman on 2/24/2010 12:26:20 PM , Rating: 5
Netbooks are great, but when we bought a laptop for our college-age daughter, we got a Dell Latitude D420. 12" screen, 5-hour battery, 3.5 lbs, dual-core CPU, magnesium frame.

The thing is "relatively" powerful, reliable, and built like a tank. She loves it, and carries is everywhere.

Hmmm... give me an iPad, nice. Now beef up the processor, let me swap batteries quickly, throw in a real keyboard, let the keyboard fold onto the screen to protect it. Oh, and make sure it uses an OS that has all the common apps on it. Oh, wait! We've just created a netbook! Jobs will be pissed!


By rudy on 2/25/2010 1:33:42 AM , Rating: 2
Yes but this is the trick apple always just does something different even if its stupid like the iPad to sell you something. I am still amazed apple has not made a real tablet like thinkpad, dell xt, or hp. But I realize the reason they do not is because they can sell mac fans another device rather than allowing them to wrap it all into 1 device.


By crystal clear on 2/24/2010 9:19:18 PM , Rating: 1
This for the Apple bashers unlimited-

and yet Apple's revenue last year was over $40 billion. I think the only other company that could say that is an oil company.

Grow up...its all about money...if it sells then it really works.

Whilst you guys are busy Apple bashing....Apple is busy making more & more profits year after year.

You have to measure success by money (revenues/profits).

Call those apple buyers idiots & many more such names but the fact remains Apple sells & keeps you burning with jealousy.

Apple keeps you/everybody guessing with whats the next product to be launched.

Are there any companies that generate so much of interest about their next launch in the press/people.




By Alexstarfire on 2/25/2010 12:57:04 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think one person here would disagree that Apple is very successful in terms of money. That is not the point of a tech site. We are here to talk about products, of which Apple's are mostly garbage. Some have come a long way and become halfway decent, but their products have always mostly been about looks, save for way back in the Apple II days. It's also not a secret that Apple is very good at marketing. It is almost literally their cornerstone for success.

BTW, revenue != profit. I'm sure you know that, but others may not. Just for reference, Microsoft made $58.44 billion in revenue in fiscal year 2009. Not sure about the profit for either company since I didn't feel like looking it up, but I'm sure every here, even reader1 and pirks, can just Google it.


By crystal clear on 2/25/2010 8:59:21 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
We are here to talk about products, of which Apple's are mostly garbage.


People have come to view the iPad as competitor for the netbooks,when infact its NOT to be one,rather a mobile device thats an addition to the iPhone & iPodtouch experience & takes that experience even further.

Its neither a netbook or smartbook,if Apple wanted a competitor for this class/catergory,they already have the macbook that can be/could have been customized to fit this catergory.

Even though they refer of & on to the netbooks but certainly not to compete with it.

They are aiming at something different or a catergory of its own- firmware updates for the ipad in the near/distant future after its launch will start showing the potentials of this machine.

quote:
but their products have always mostly been about looks,


Thats what sells today because thats what people want more than anything else-ask the swiss about wrist watches.
Omega watches have a prestige value & the looks plus a very powerful brand name.


By Pirks on 2/25/2010 7:44:28 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Whilst you guys are busy Apple bashing....Apple is busy making more & more profits year after year. You have to measure success by money (revenues/profits). Call those apple buyers idiots & many more such names but the fact remains Apple sells & keeps you burning with jealousy.
Pirks, is that you? ;)))


By crystal clear on 2/25/2010 8:23:39 AM , Rating: 2
No its not the Pirks ! that inspires the urge inside many here for some hefty bashing...they simply enjoy it.

Simply crystal clear here,that sees everything crystal clear...its recession time-think revenues & profits !

Typing error the title should read-

Apple's successes inspires jealousy & hatred in you !


By Pirks on 2/25/2010 10:06:24 AM , Rating: 2
cmon man I'm just pulling ya leg :P chill ;)))


iPad Vs Netbook?
By dark matter on 2/24/2010 11:33:10 AM , Rating: 3
Don't people buy netbooks because they are cheap?

Basically for couch surfing. I understand that updating ones status on Facebook is acceptable on an iphone whilst out and about. Using a touch screen to send emails, status updates and comments on forums and facebook is going to suck after a while.

Since when did a virtual touch screen keyboard become somehow better than a real keyboard.

Idiots, the lot of them.




RE: iPad Vs Netbook?
By DEredita on 2/24/2010 11:40:58 AM , Rating: 2
Netbooks are very popular with college students. There are many that live off campus, and for them to lug a 7+ lb oversized notebook back and forth to classes is a pain in the ass. Carrying a small, lightweight 10-12 inch netbook is far more convenient. At ~3 lbs, they are light and won't break your back, they fit in a small bag, generally they are between $275 - $400 (which is relatively cheap for a fully featured computer) and you can walk that 1/2 mile to school without much added burden.

White Macbooks are also very popular with students too, because of the smaller form factor, $899 student pricing, and they are not very heavy.

What the industry as a whole needs to look into is powerful cool, inexpensive 12-13" notebooks.


RE: iPad Vs Netbook?
By Aloonatic on 2/24/2010 12:17:22 PM , Rating: 2
IMO

Netbooks = Cheap and just about do, no gaming really, just the basics. Do even flash games work that well on them?

Notebooks = Cheapish to bloomin expensive, and are much more capable, even a replacement for your proper laptop/PC depending on your needs.

iPad = Expensive big iPod Touch that is not cheap, but since when have Apple users cared about cheap?

The thing is, NASes (along with simple home networking) and the netbook/iPad have changed the way people think about a computer as secondary device, to compliment the other things in their home.

For the updates/sofa use that you talk about, I would think that we will have to wait and see how comfortable/usable the iPad is. I'm guessing that it will be better than the doubters think, and not as good as the iFanboys want to "believe".

In it's place, I think the iPad might have a position in the market. Especially as people like the user-friendlyness and simplicity of the app-store, and have been "trained" by their iPhone/iPod Touch already. No flash is a big problem however, especially for streaming TV (iPlayer in the UK especially) to it, which would be cool.

As for virtual keyboards, I guess they are only ever better than real keyboards when you don't want to have to carry one around, waste space/weight on one. If you want a tablet and real keyboard though, I'm guessing that most here would go for an Acer 1420 or 1820, which will probably cost less, but will be bigger and less "sleek and sophisticated".

For high levels of input, virtual keyboards almost certainly won't replace real keyboards, or dedicated virtual touch keyboard, which might be really cool once they become more affordable, if they ever do.


RE: iPad Vs Netbook?
By mindless1 on 2/24/2010 10:40:49 PM , Rating: 2
Cheap, no. They buy them because formerly, a downsized laptop was disproportionately higher priced.

Right now, I and many others would pay the same price for a 12" laptop as we would for a 15" laptop of the same specs, sans the optical drive if necessary to decrease the volume, and it has been that way for a long time among those who need to take their laptop along with them regularly.

Don't get me wrong, lower cost is a good thing too, and the more hardware evolves to a higher performance and performance per watt, the less some of us feel we need modern performance levels for our most common tasks, but my main point is that price is a secondary concern, it's what value you get for that money that is at the forefront of (many) peoples' minds. Many just don't feel a smaller screened laptop should cost much if any more than its 15" counterpart.


Screen
By Inkjammer on 2/24/2010 12:03:07 PM , Rating: 2
I still think one of the negatives about the iPad is its screen. I know that sounds really odd to say, but hear me out: Apple is marketing the iPad as an eBook reader and portable "computer". If you own an iPhone, and have ever tried to read a book on "Classics" in a dark or dimly lit room, the brightness of the screen can be eye straining. I have trouble reading for more than 20-30 minutes on my iPhone. The brightness of the white screen (even at 50%) can be stressful over time. Granted, the iPhone's screen is smaller, but it's the brightness that hurts my eyes, not the size.

On a Kindle? Not so much of a problem due to e-ink. It's far, far easier to read, and far more friendly, even in a dimly lit room (reading it doesn't strain my eyes after 30 minutes - or even two hours).




RE: Screen
By jmhart on 2/24/2010 12:14:04 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with you that e-ink screens are better for readers. The problem is, that's all you can do with that type of screen. The iPad is meant to be much more than just a reader.

Additionally, you can't read an e-ink screen in your "dark or dimly lit room". ;)


RE: Screen
By Inkjammer on 2/24/2010 12:23:25 PM , Rating: 2
You have a point, yes, and I even thought about that while writing that. =P Dark? No, but my 40 watt bulb and Kindle work well together. Not so much with my iPhone when curled up in bed - it's just too bright.

Granted, the Kindle is a one trick pony (and costs too much for what it is and does). But I just don't think the iPad will work great as an eReader due to the screen brightness.


This and That....
By chagrinnin on 2/24/2010 12:13:40 PM , Rating: 2
He talks funny,...
quote:
Use the Mac OS in a lot of products. Don't think there's another company that can use the foundation of their OS that way.


...does he wave his hand like a Jedi when he says that?




RE: This and That....
By Omega215D on 2/24/2010 1:42:34 PM , Rating: 3
Tim Cook: The Android is not what you're looking for *waves hand*

Storm Trooper: The android isn't what we're looking for. Get an iPhone, get an iPhone!


Netbooks are far from dead
By DEredita on 2/24/2010 11:33:04 AM , Rating: 2
I think Apple is talking out of their collective asses on the future of netbooks. Maybe on their end the whole netbook scene is stillborn, because of their approach to it with their iPad. But, on the Windows side, it is alive and well.

The 10 and 11 inch form factor is perfect for traveling. I know plenty of people, who use them daily in school (because carrying around a 2-3lb 10" netbook beats lugging a 15 or 17 inch 7-10 lb beast of burden.

Is the netbook perfect? No, it's far from it. There are some that are close to being excellent (HP Mini 311 with the ION graphics), but in my opinion they are either slightly stronger on the processing power front and weaker on the graphics side (Atom N450 Netbooks), or weaker on the processing side and strong on the graphics side (N270 netbook with Nvidia ION - HP Mini 311).

I don't think we will see a perfect netbook anytime soon, as most manufacturers are scared of them completely cannibalizing their sales on higher model notebooks. But, to say that Netbooks are going to fail is just an ignorant statement. There are plenty of reasons why they are here to stay, for better or worse.

If Apple wants to have something comparable to a netbook, then why don't they just resurrect the 12" Powerbook form factor. Price it BELOW the white Macbook, include a slower than the White Macbook CPU in it (something with a lower TDP, cheaper, and yet somewhat decent), 2GB of ram, at least a 160GB hard drive, and Nvidia 9400/310/etc... whatever the base GPU they have today.

If Apple REALLY wanted to completely kill the whole netbook scene, they'd need to roll out a 12" notebook with a starting price of $699 -> $799. Can it cannibalize the 13" white Macbook sales? Probably, but if done correctly, it could be done.

Their business model now is just a mess. You can not expect a 10 inch iPod Touch to kill the netbook market. It just won't happen.




RE: Netbooks are far from dead
By jimhsu on 2/24/2010 2:44:06 PM , Rating: 2
Having owned and researched several laptops, I find myself liking the 14" form factor. The UL80VT and X83VP (which I own) by Asus are both great notebooks that far outpace netbooks and (in the case of the latter) even quite a few larger laptops, but at 4-5 lb are quite portable, with the battery life to boot. I tried a netbook and was ... less than satisfied. (Then again, I'm spoiled with a SSD on my desktop).


I'm No Apple Fan But...
By MojoMan on 2/24/2010 11:27:07 AM , Rating: 3
He makes some very wise statements about how the company is run. They do indeed seem to be very focused (although I could make arguments about other companies being just as focused), and I think any time a business maintains that focus, it usually leads to success.

As to the iPad killing the net book market. I doubt it. We'll let the market decide that, but come on... no multi tasking, no flash, and no USB ports? Seriously? I, as a technical professional, can tell you that those are very big turn offs, even to the general public.

Just my 2 cents... :-)




Three screens
By icrf on 2/24/2010 11:26:35 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Which way is OS market moving? I don't see it as this or that -- iPhone vs. Mac -- or this over that. I think there is a place for both. What you're seeing for Apple is that the Mac OS is very scalable. Huge competitive advantage for Apple. Use the Mac OS in a lot of products. Don't think there's another company that can use the foundation of their OS that way. Move at a fast speed with many fewer people than it would take if we were geographically north.

It is just me, or does that sound a lot like Microsoft's "three screens" push, except in the OS space instead of the application space, where the latter is arguably much more important?




Netbooks are far from dead
By DEredita on 2/24/2010 11:32:43 AM , Rating: 2
I think Apple is talking out of their collective asses on the future of netbooks. Maybe on their end the whole netbook scene is stillborn, because of their approach to it with their iPad. But, on the Windows side, it is alive and well.

The 10 and 11 inch form factor is perfect for traveling. I know plenty of people, who use them daily in school (because carrying around a 2-3lb 10" netbook beats lugging a 15 or 17 inch 7-10 lb beast of burden.

Is the netbook perfect? No, it's far from it. There are some that are close to being excellent (HP Mini 311 with the ION graphics), but in my opinion they are either slightly stronger on the processing power front and weaker on the graphics side (Atom N450 Netbooks), or weaker on the processing side and strong on the graphics side (N270 netbook with Nvidia ION - HP Mini 311).

I don't think we will see a perfect netbook anytime soon, as most manufacturers are scared of them completely cannibalizing their sales on higher model notebooks. But, to say that Netbooks are going to fail is just an ignorant statement. There are plenty of reasons why they are here to stay, for better or worse.

If Apple wants to have something comparable to a netbook, then why don't they just resurrect the 12" Powerbook form factor. Price it BELOW the white Macbook, include a slower than the White Macbook CPU in it (something with a lower TDP, cheaper, and yet somewhat decent), 2GB of ram, at least a 160GB hard drive, and Nvidia 9400/310/etc... whatever the base GPU they have today.

If Apple REALLY wanted to completely kill the whole netbook scene, they'd need to roll out a 12" notebook with a starting price of $699 -> $799. Can it cannibalize the 13" white Macbook sales? Probably, but if done correctly, it could be done.

Their business model now is just a mess. You can not expect a 10 inch iPod Touch to kill the netbook market. It just won't happen.




Best Talent
By KTL on 2/24/2010 11:59:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The executive team of the company spends a lot of time thinking and discussing how to retain and recruit the best talent in the world...

Someone I knew briefly went to work for them, he definitely wasn't the best talent (by far), though he did have a nasty volleyball serve. Then again, we've been recently categorized as "talentless" by our CEO since we've not gone west.




Netbooks will die...
By nafhan on 2/24/2010 12:43:17 PM , Rating: 2
...but not because of the iPad. The iPad may cut into netbook sales a little bit, but it's functionality too limited for it to "kill" them off. Netbooks will disappear once laptops drop in price a little bit or netbooks become powerful enough that they aren't considered netbooks anymore. Both of which are inevitable and could happen now if either dual core Atom's became standard or CULV based laptops dropped anoter $100 in price.




Infers?
By adiposity on 2/24/2010 12:43:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
He also infers that Microsoft is bloated employee-wise, commenting, "Which way is OS market moving? I don't see it as this or that -- iPhone vs. Mac -- or this over that. I think there is a place for both. What you're seeing for Apple is that the Mac OS is very scalable. Huge competitive advantage for Apple. Use the Mac OS in a lot of products. Don't think there's another company that can use the foundation of their OS that way. Move at a fast speed with many fewer people than it would take if we were geographically north."


I think you mean "implies."




Not the same
By djc208 on 2/24/2010 2:00:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
In fact, the table that each of you are sitting at today, you could probably put every product on it that Apple makes, and yet Apple's revenue last year was over $40 billion. I think the only other company that could say that is an oil company.


While prices of both oil and Apple products are hugely bloated, the oil company at least makes that kind of money by selling a product. A lot of Apples revenues come from letting other people sell stuff that works with their products (Songs, TV, Movies, Apps) in their store. It's brilliant from a business sense but doesn't mean your invetors are brilliant. The real brilliance in the iPhone are the apps that other developers have thought up to turn a fancy phone into something more.




...
By EasyC on 2/24/2010 2:37:27 PM , Rating: 2
We say no to great ideas in order to keep the amount of things we focus on very small in number, so that we can put enormous energy behind the ones we do choose, so that we can deliver the best products in the world

I have a great idea! Take an english lesson Tim Cook.

Holy run-on sentence Batman.




Apple Says No to Good Ideas
By carniver on 2/24/2010 3:01:39 PM , Rating: 2
Apple Says No to Good Ideas every day...and says Yes to bad ideas




on the fence...
By kmmatney on 2/24/2010 4:22:57 PM , Rating: 2
I love my iPhone and use it all the time to quickly browse the web from my couch. There have been plenty of times when I wished the screen was a bit larger - however I don't think I'm willing to sacrifice the ability to put in in my pocket. So I don't see much need to buy this if you already have an iPhone. I do want to see how this thing performs as an ebook reader though. If its a good ebook reader, than I can see getting this over the Kindle.




A real tablet
By atlmann10 on 2/24/2010 4:43:21 PM , Rating: 2
If anyone wants to see a real tablet, not an upsized iPhone, check this out. It has a dual core ARM processor and a tegra2 processor, as well as a full OS 1080P default graphics capability.

http://notionink.in/index.php




Pft.
By ApfDaMan on 2/25/2010 12:06:36 AM , Rating: 2
Apple is just pissed they didnt come up with the netbook idea.




Jobs gambled with iPad
By Destroyer on 2/25/2010 3:31:17 AM , Rating: 2
Apple's Steve Jobs is a gambler at heart and he took a big chance by designing and building their iPad "tablet" device; but if Apple had gone a more conventional route using Netbook components to run MAC OS X, it is unlikely that Netbook builders would even attempt to make a Tablet in response as the war would be over.

Apple's iPad against a Netbook derived Tablet PC will be what the MAC was prior to OS X going against Windows XP as the Netbook Windows 7 Tablet computer will be everything Steve Jobs said about the iPad.

The Netbook Tablet will be a true lifestyle machine as you will be able to run Youtube.com songs in the background while surfing the web or reading an E-book. And like the pre-OS X days, for every Apple iPad sold; the Netbook builders will be selling hundreds of their Win 7 machines.




Laugh Riot
By PoohPall on 2/25/2010 5:13:04 AM , Rating: 2
I fail to see the parallel between a man-made over-priced piece of plastic and the Word Of The Lord.

Jobs and his cronies should consider some respect or be remembered as just another "Titanic" failure.




netbook tablets will rule
By Visual on 2/25/2010 5:33:31 AM , Rating: 2
Just look at the Lenovo s10-3t.

Granted, it still has downsides. The resolution is terrible, absolutely useless in portrait mode. The standard 4-cell battery would only let it last 4 hours, and the 10 hours with extended 8-cell might be too bulky - I don't know yet, haven't seen it. The single-core Atom will definitely be too poor for some uses, like opening more than a couple IE tabs with heavy flash content. The OS will be 7 home starter only, getting premium would further rise the price.

But it is tons better than iPad. It is a full-blown computer that can run a full version of windows, and even OS X if apple were not acting like total jerks and refusing to allow it to run on Atoms.

Right now it still doesn't give me enough for my needs - the low resolution being the main showstopper for me. I'd rather go with the aging Core 2 CULV based Acer 1420p or 1820p series or HP tm2 that couldn't be classed as netbooks. Hopefully some arrandale equivalents will arrive soon as well.

Still, that Lenovo netbook is a step in the right direction. With multitouch and several buttons usable in slate mode it already puts some higher end tablet convertibles in its pocket at a small fraction of their prices. Other manufacturers have decent netbook tablet convertibles as well, though nothing quite deserving my cash yet - some have more usable resolutions but lack multitouch or use the older Atom variants, etc.

In another year or two I am sure a netbook tablet convertible will arrive that would hit the perfect combination. Saying that netbooks will die out is just silly.




Reader1 and all Apple fanboys!
By atlmann10 on 2/25/2010 4:09:00 PM , Rating: 2
Please pre-order one of these wonderful units. I really want you to get a device which shows you that your truly stupid! This one will do it in spades. I have heard many people who use Apple desktops, laptops, and iPhone's say this device is seriously to limiting in it's restraints. So please buy the 64Gb high end 3G version with a contract so it will be eating your bank account for at least 2 years. Maybe then you will learn to pay attention to details and not blindly follow any brand or corporate fleece meister like Steve Jobs.




By jah1subs on 2/28/2010 4:57:51 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is trying to obscure the issue, it is using iPad as a defensive move against future CULV notebooks. With price/performance/power improvements in processors and price improvements in solid state disks in the next few years, I believe that today's high end MacBook Air - with solid state disk - will be the configuration of low end notebooks and/or high end netbooks in the next few years.

As these improvements occur, low end notebooks will limit growth of high end netbooks, at least in wealthier markets, and maybe even all markets.

Of course, touch is already part of Windows 7 so that is not special with tablets.

I believe that Anand (or someone else) was getting at this point that low end notebooks are better value than high end netbooks.




I can imagine...
By MrBlastman on 2/24/2010 11:30:33 AM , Rating: 1
replacing the sprites of a Imp in Doom with that and subsequent frames of images of the Steve Jobs photo used in the article. It is the perfect image capture of what he'd look like after I shot him with my double barrel in the game. I guess all we need now is a good gibbing animation for him too for when I score a direct hit.




Please Stop Disinforming
By John Dingler on 2/24/10, Rating: -1
Netbooks?
By aplman on 2/24/10, Rating: -1
RE: Netbooks?
By Omega215D on 2/24/2010 1:57:31 PM , Rating: 5
Seriously? I mean there should be some minimum requirements to be met before being allowed to post here. The trolling/ spamming is getting a bit out of hand.


RE: Netbooks?
By hiscross on 2/24/10, Rating: -1
RE: Netbooks?
By mindless1 on 2/24/2010 10:42:32 PM , Rating: 1
Do you realize that regardless of whether you are right or wrong, if you seem rabid when you reply, your point is lost?


RE: Netbooks?
By KoolAidMan1 on 2/25/2010 4:54:28 AM , Rating: 2
He's right in that netbooks are crap. Anyone who has and actually likes one has questionable standards at best, and is deluded at worst.


RE: Netbooks?
By StraightCashHomey on 2/24/2010 4:32:22 PM , Rating: 4
Bend over and spread your cheeks. Mr. Jobs will be in you shortly.


Uninformed posts lend no credibility to your posts.
By jmhart on 2/24/10, Rating: -1
By Inkjammer on 2/24/2010 12:24:29 PM , Rating: 1
I know it's based off of OSX, and it performs fast, but it's too stripped down to directly compare to OSX (which is a solid OS). OSX is all encompassing. iPhone OSX is more just a launch platform.

You can't install anything you want on it, tweak settings, access the file system, multitask...


By jmhart on 2/24/2010 12:48:38 PM , Rating: 2
Surely nobody expected the iPad to be an open platform...

My point is that most of the arguments against the iPad here don't make any sense. What you're really saying is you are critical of the closed nature of the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad OS. You're forgetting that the average consumer doesn't care about tweaking, accessing the file system, or even multitasking. Sure some of the more tech savvy of us find the lack of those things a problem, and I can see wanting a netbook over an iPad for those reasons.

The point is, there are far more average consumers than tech savvy ones. In the grand scheme of things the iPad can turn out to be a huge hit just like the iPhone/iPod Toucheven because the percentage of consumers who are even aware of these weaknesses is so small.

As far as I'm concerned, I already own enough full blown machines to satisfy my need to tweak. The iPad perfectly suits my needs in a secondary portable...machine.

They're trying to create a new category here, and they're speculating that a great deal of the things people buy netbooks for would be served by this new category. I think they might just be right.


By justsomeone on 2/24/2010 5:42:35 PM , Rating: 2
I think they can be successful with this until products that double as both Tablet PC's and netbooks (the swivel pads like Asus began making) get up to speed. I know those who are already locked into the Apple world won't switch easily, but why not have a netbook/tablet combo with more features and better specs?

http://hothardware.com/articles/Asus-Eee-PC-T91-Sw...


Numheads
By hiscross on 2/24/10, Rating: -1
"We don't know how to make a $500 computer that's not a piece of junk." -- Apple CEO Steve Jobs

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