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We've heard this before, but recent developments could speed the process

We just heard over the weekend that Apple and Google have settled their outstanding legal battles that began way back in 2010. Now comes word from The Korea Times that Apple and Samsung are inching closer to settling their patent litigation that spans courtrooms in numerous countries around the world.
 
"Samsung has recently resumed working-level discussions with Apple and the key issue is how to dismiss all lawsuits,” said unnamed sources familiar with the bilateral talks.  


"Today I settled all family business."
 
The sources add that royalty payments for the patents in question would be the likely remedy for both companies “before reaching a full agreement.”
 
The most recent court ruling in United States handed Apple a minor victory, with Samsung being ordered to pay $119.6M in damages for infringing on two patents (U.S. Patent Nos. 8,074,172 and 5,946,647). However, the jury also found Apple guilty of infringing on one Samsung patent (U.S. Patent No. 5,579,239) and awarded damages of $158,400.
 
The truce between Apple and Google give us some hope that this all out patent war in the smartphone realm could soon be over. However, all previous settlement negotiations between Apple and Samsung have failed in the past, so we’re not holding our breath on this report either.

Source: The Korea Times



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Sweet...
By retrospooty on 5/19/2014 10:48:15 AM , Rating: 2
With them not winning but a fraction of what they were looking for in the previous case with Samsung, and dropping the cases with Google/Moto, this may be a good sign. Hopefully the era of ridiculous lawsuits is nearing it's end.

Stop worrying about who did what first and just try to be who does what best. Just make the best products you can make, people will buy them and profits will keep coming.




RE: Sweet...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/19/2014 11:43:56 AM , Rating: 1
We'll see. Apple doesn't seem to get the core concept of "negotiate", so while I hope this gets settled, I'm not overly optimistic that it will.


RE: Sweet...
By retrospooty on 5/19/2014 11:52:39 AM , Rating: 3
Maybe... Historically no, that psychopath Jobs wouldn't negotiate with anyone on anything... But Cook is alevel headed man and has said that he doesn't feel these patent lawsuits are the way to go about doing business. Maybe they are backing down at least a bit.


RE: Sweet...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 5/19/2014 12:46:03 PM , Rating: 4
Yup. There was a recent Vanity Fair article that talked about how Cook wanted no part in the mess that Jobs started.

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2014/06/apple-s...

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He wanted to play hardball with Samsung’s top executives, but Tim Cook, his chief operating officer and soon-to-be successor, cautioned against being too aggressive just yet. After all, Samsung was one of Apple’s biggest suppliers of processors, display screens, and other items. Alienating it might put Apple in the position of losing parts it needed for its products—including some for the iPhone and the iPad.


quote:
Conversations eventually broke off, and Jobs grew increasingly eager to take Samsung to court and fight. Cook continued counseling patience, arguing that it would be better to have a negotiated resolution than to duke it out with a company of such importance to Apple’s business.


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Cook’s caution was shoved aside. On April 15, 2011, the company filed a federal lawsuit in California against Samsung for infringing on the patents of both the iPhone and the iPad.


RE: Sweet...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/19/2014 1:35:17 PM , Rating: 2
Soooo how do we explain the seemingly endless legal actions Apple took against Samsung (and others) AFTER Jobs has been dead and gone?

It's just hard to see how Cook is "against" this kind of stuff when he's been engaging in it for years.


RE: Sweet...
By retrospooty on 5/19/2014 2:03:55 PM , Rating: 2
Legal action like this on a corporate level isn't something that you just decide to do one day and file the next. It takes months if not years of lawyers doing their BS thing... By the time Cook took over it was all well underway and couldn't just be stopped. "Oh, nevermind then" isn't much of an option when millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lawyer-hours have been spent on it already, not to mention the court side of it. They had to see it play out. Now, 2 cases have seen the courtroom. The first will be appealed to high hell and likely lose. If not it will be years and year before Samsung pays a cent. The other, Apple won, but got a mere fraction of the 2 billion they asked. It is obviously not going to amount to much and looking clearer and clearer like settling is a better option.

This says it all right here...

"Jobs grew increasingly eager to take Samsung to court and fight. Cook continued counseling patience, arguing that it would be better to have a negotiated resolution than to duke it out with a company of such importance to Apple’s business...... Cook’s caution was shoved aside."


RE: Sweet...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/19/14, Rating: 0
RE: Sweet...
By retrospooty on 5/19/2014 4:06:42 PM , Rating: 2
"Why are you kissing Cook's ass?"

Such venom for a Monday... I am just saying he is more level headed than Jobs (hell, even Pirks is more level headed than Jobs). He has said it before that he doesn't like the way they have gone about things with the lawsuits...

"It happens ALL the time in other companies. You drop the lawsuits, plain and simple."

Nothing is "plain and simple", especially in a publicly traded company. Hopefully he does put an end to it. The article the other day ending it with Google/Moto lends hope to that thought. What we have seen recently is that he is willing to bend to pressure where Jobs didn't.


RE: Sweet...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/19/14, Rating: 0
RE: Sweet...
By retrospooty on 5/19/2014 5:33:06 PM , Rating: 2
"Probably because I just read the post where you reamed me and called me a wacko. But moving on.."

Awe, come on... No offense meant... I even prefaced it with "you and I are cool. I like and respect you, and agree with most of what you believe (especially in business/financial/free market conversations)" and I never said "wacko"... But you have to admit, you are pretty far right wing extreme. Like I said, I am in the middle, a registered independent and former libertarian... And you get PO'd at me all the time for being way too left. Dood, the only things I am left on at all are gay marriage, abortion, (which I see as civil rights issues) and the misguided notion that we should send 10+ million farm workers back to Mexico and cripple our entire agricultural sector. That and the entire narrow minded fear of brown people that the right seems to have... Other than those few things, I lean mostly right on everything else and STILL I am a lefty to you.


RE: Sweet...
By name99 on 5/19/2014 4:20:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Historically no, that psychopath Jobs wouldn't negotiate with anyone on anything

You do realize the CEO of Samsung is even MORE of a psychopath --- and has the criminal record to go with it...

Given that the guy has been in intensive care for the last week for a heart attack, all this maneuvering is probably the non-psychopaths in BOTH companies taking advantage of the inevitable changes of the near future to position their companies.
Presumably the deal is something like "We, Apple, will forget the past *IF* you, going forward with a new CEO, are willing to stop being so blatant in your copying".

The question, then, is how much new Samsung will resemble old Samsung. Companies generally have a DNA that doesn't change, so I'd not be optimistic about a real improvement. My guess is we'll see a whole lot more pretty obvious copying by Samsung, but that Apple will deal with it not through the courts but by, one step at a time, reducing what they buy from Samsung AND (just as importantly) encouraging, behind the scenes, other companies to do the same on the grounds of "they're copying us today but they'll be copying you tomorrow".


RE: Sweet...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/19/2014 4:28:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"We, Apple, will forget the past *IF* you, going forward with a new CEO, are willing to stop being so blatant in your copying".


And this is where you lost all credibility and made it known you're just an Apple zealot.

Let's be clear, if Samsung did *copy* Apple, it was on the Galaxy S. How many years ago was that?

And the so-called "copying" was done on things nobody thinks should have been patent-able in the first place.

Apple just announced larger sized phone AND side by side split-screen app function which I believe was first done by SAMSUNG on the Galaxy Note.

So who's copying who now?

And what do you call iOS 7 if not a gigantic effort to blatantly copy features from Android?

Get a life.


RE: Sweet...
By retrospooty on 5/19/2014 5:41:12 PM , Rating: 2
"Apple just announced larger sized phone AND side by side split-screen app function which I believe was first done by SAMSUNG on the Galaxy Note."

Dont forget copying notifications in general from Android, and later the drop down notifications from Android, multitasking from Android and the task switching UI from WebOS and the flat look and feel from WP.

It never ceases to amaze me how these people thing Apple is bwing copied and doesnt copy themselves even worse. WTF? It's like they have a mental migraine "I just cant see that part right there".


RE: Sweet...
By retrospooty on 5/19/2014 4:32:12 PM , Rating: 2
"Presumably the deal is something like "We, Apple, will forget the past *IF* you, going forward with a new CEO, are willing to stop being so blatant in your copying"

Nope... Sorry, you lost all credibility there. All companies copy the successful ideas of others. Apple is one of the worst, if not the worst. If you cant see that, you simply aren't looking at it realistically.


RE: Sweet...
By tonyswash on 5/19/14, Rating: 0
RE: Sweet...
By retrospooty on 5/20/2014 10:18:25 AM , Rating: 2
You took me out of context... I was referring to the whole copying thing when I said "anyone on anything" - not meant literally.

"They just want people to stop copying their products"

Why? Everyone copies... Apple copied Notifications in general from Android, split screen from Samsung, drop down notifications UI from Android, multitasking from Android and the task switching UI from WebOS and the flat look and feel from WP.

Why is it OK when Apple blatantly copies but no-one else? All companies build off the succeseful ideas of other companies. Why does Apple need special treatment?


RE: Sweet...
By WldAntc on 5/19/2014 1:06:06 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe Apple has finally realized their thermonuclear holywar vs all things Android did far more harm than good.

Samsung actually didn't mind the free publicity and even cited the lawsuits as reason for record sales in a few countries. Plus, many in the IT community could not stay neutral in this war and the majority sided with Android...

I'm sure Apple's marketing magicians will spin this into a halo somehow but the fact is they became one of the top patent trolls worldwide quite a for a few years now. If the patent reform is to patch the ways they exploited the system, I may find a shred of respect for them.

If only HTC had endured a year longer... or will Apple free them from the 10 year licensing fees they extorted?


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By BRB29 on 5/19/2014 12:06:30 PM , Rating: 2
I think even big corporations realize the only real winners in these back and forth lawsuits are the lawyers.




RE: ..
By Solandri on 5/19/2014 12:24:31 PM , Rating: 2
The problem is, even with a settlement and licensing deal, the bogus patents are still around and (until tested in court) still have teeth. The biggest loser is thus the little guy trying to start a new competing cell phone manufacturing company. The bigger companies with patent portfolios can wield them to lock promising young upstarts out of the market.

The ultimate solution is still patent reform to make it a lot less costly to overturn ridiculous patents. The matter of judging patent validity should be agnostic to whether one of the parties is a multi-billion dollar megacorporation, or a small business being run out of someone's garage. If an invalid patent was granted, that's the fault of the government, and it's the government which should be paying for the cost of overturning it.


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