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Apple is being especially talkative and indicating that it has some tricks up its sleeve

Apple has seen strong quarters in Q2 2008 (fiscal), Q1 2008, and so on for a couple years now, buoyed by its ever growing line of consumer products and modest sales of Mac computers.  So it should hardly take the reader by surprise that its Q3 2008 beat expectations and set more records for the company.

Like Intel, Apple showed strong year-to-year growth, jumping from net revenue of $5.41B USD in Q3 2007 to $7.46B USD in Q3 2008, a growth of 38 percent.  Profit jumped from $818M USD to 1.07B USD, a growth of 30.8 percent.

On the unit sales side, Apple shipped 2,496,000 Macintosh computers representing 41 percent unit growth and 43 percent revenue growth over Q3 2007.  It also managed to surprisingly grow its iPod share, which some had speculated was stagnating.  A total of 11,011,000 iPods were sold, representing a 12 percent unit growth and seven percent revenue growth.  It also sold 717,000 iPhones, up from 270,000 quarterly last year.

Peter Oppenheimer, Apple’s CFO was encouraged by the results, stating, "We’re extremely pleased with the growth of our business and the generation of almost $5.4 billion in cash in the first three quarters of fiscal 2008.  Looking ahead to the fourth quarter of fiscal 2008, we expect revenue of about $7.8 billion and earnings per diluted share of about $1.00.”

The only disappointments came in the fact that its gross margin was down to 34.8 percent from 36.9 last year, also a problem for Intel.  Also, Apple lowered its projections for Q4 2008 to $7.8B in revenue, which resulted in some stock jitters, despite the strong performance.

Apple CEO Steve Jobs added to the press release a statement saying, "We’re proud to report the best June quarter for both revenue and earnings in Apple’s history.  We set a new record for Mac sales, we think we have a real winner with our new iPhone 3G, and we’re busy finishing several more wonderful new products to launch in the coming months."

The last sentence was greeted by excitement, confusion, and curiosity by investors and consumers alike.  What might Apple have in store; new iPods perhaps?  Or will Apple debut an entirely new product?  Some are hoping lower -priced Macs might be in store as well. No one really knows, though, what Apple has in store, but one thing's for sure -- Apple is unusually talkative.  Before past product launches, Mr. Jobs never made such an announcement and for him to do so is extremely uncharacteristic.

The move may have been financially motivated, and if so it seems to have worked.  After early jitters the stock picked up and currently is performing well.  The news has also set the rumor mill in full swing, so expect to see all sorts of outlandish statements of questionable veracity about Apple's new products.

While Apple had a very strong quarter, it also had its share of problems.  Its campaign to crush Mac-cloner Psystar seemed to some to be another example of Apple's desire to play dictator and a troublesome sign.  Further, there was much speculation surrounding Steve Jobs health, due to him looking under the weather during the iPhone 3G unveil (he previously had pancreatic cancer). 

Finally, some point out that it may seem a bit unfair that Apple enjoys strong stock performance for only earning $1.17B USD in profit and beating expectations, while rival Microsoft earned nearly four times as much -- $4.3B USD in profit -- but got hammered on the stock market for missing its lofty expectations.



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A shame
By ThatNewGuy on 7/22/2008 9:25:53 AM , Rating: 4
I feel sorry for the 2,496,000 people who bought one of their computers.




RE: A shame
By Barack Obama on 7/22/2008 9:31:52 AM , Rating: 1
Lol I'd +1 you but I don't know how. But man, iPhone looks sexy.


RE: A shame
By thebrown13 on 7/22/2008 10:19:48 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, really. The iPhone is awesome but OS X blows.


RE: A shame
By Pirks on 7/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: A shame
By ZaethDekar on 7/22/2008 9:50:37 AM , Rating: 3
I find it funny that if you translate their iPod sales it equals = Ø

Funny binary.


RE: A shame
By jnn4v on 7/22/2008 1:40:58 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm. I thought 11011000 in binary = 216 in decimal. Not sure how you came up with Ø


RE: A shame
By ZaethDekar on 7/22/2008 3:23:40 PM , Rating: 2
I just searched up binary translator on google and it came up with...

http://www.paulschou.com/tools/xlate/

So thats how that happened.

You are correct though. (I had enough free time to check do the work)

I like the Ø more though :( haha


RE: A shame
By isorfir on 7/22/08, Rating: -1
RE: A shame
By stinkyj on 7/22/2008 10:24:01 AM , Rating: 5
My father got a mac recently and I was impressed by it and it works well for him, replacing an aging Dell he had. The integrated camera is really cool when you do video conferencing. I know PCs have had cameras for years, but this is ready out of the box. I have 6 PCs at home, and not planning to buy a Mac, but it's not a bad machine. Different strokes for different folks..


RE: A shame
By jbizzler on 7/22/2008 10:41:37 AM , Rating: 2
I'm in the same boat. I have a bunch of PCs, and don't plan on getting a Mac, but they're great machines if they suit your needs.


RE: A shame
By jonmcc33 on 7/22/08, Rating: -1
RE: A shame
By kelmon on 7/22/2008 11:42:02 AM , Rating: 5
I know I'm going to regret asking this, but which feature is missing?

It should also be noted that some people want a "dumbed-down" OS. Ideally, they don't want to see the OS at all because it's not important to them. Applications are important, the OS should not be. That you don't think the same is rather immaterial.


RE: A shame
By Pirks on 7/22/2008 1:30:36 PM , Rating: 1
Who are you asking, kelmon? A Windows fanatic? Don't waste your time on him. Just get used to massive whining and barking here every time Apple delivers their quarter reports. It's DT, man!


RE: A shame
By silversound on 7/22/08, Rating: -1
RE: A shame
By jonmcc33 on 7/22/2008 8:06:31 PM , Rating: 2
So why would I pay more if I am going to put Windows on it? Does that make any sense? Also add the already expensive cost for a license of Vista. Great concept!

<rolling eyes>


RE: A shame
By Pirks on 7/23/2008 2:21:46 AM , Rating: 2
Look guys, this crazy lunatic jonmcc33 posts BS about Apple in ANY POST made by Mick, I MEAN IT! Just look at that:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12451...

Mick posted something about Windows Home Server - and our crazy buddy jonmcc33 was right there farting left and right.

Jeez, and I thought only Apple users are REAL lunatics - now I think it's time to reconsider.

jonmcc33, did you talk to your doctor recently? Maybe you forgot to take your pills or something? You know that stuff could be serious, don't lose your pills man! Now I'm worried about you, crazy guy ;-)


RE: A shame
By kelmon on 7/23/2008 2:45:38 AM , Rating: 2
It rather depends on whether you already have Windows. The typical scenario is something like wanting to switch to the Mac but currently have Photoshop for Windows. Photoshop is, frankly, damned expensive so the switcher may choose to use their existing Windows and Photoshop licenses on the Mac until they obtain Mac native versions (say, when the next release rolls round). Personally, I'm running XP on my MBP so that I can use my computer at work - it gives me access to the best of all worlds and the performance will thrash anything that work provides, which is not unusual.

But, yes, I tend to agree that it's a bit dumb to buy a Mac and then buy Windows as well unless you have a very good reason for needing both OS. Still, it's nice to have the flexibility.


RE: A shame
By slunkius on 7/23/2008 2:55:57 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
So why would I pay more if I am going to put Windows on it


because you can put Windows if you wish, silly


RE: A shame
By biggsjm on 7/22/2008 1:35:05 PM , Rating: 3
I'm sorry, throw away money? Sure you can walk into a Best Buy store and by a $300 Windows PC, but don't compare that to a $1000 Mac Book and say that PCs are cheaper. If you look component by component and compare Macs are more expensive sure, but not ridiculously so. I would argue, as well, that you are paying for the OS and all of the built in applications that (unlike Windows) are top notch / first class applications.

As for the Dumbed Down OS. Nice one. Its full BSD Unix running a custom microKernel from the NeXT OS. Sure the Aqua gui looks pretty, but its far from dumbed down. You can do anything that Unix (or any of its flavors) can do in Mac OS. If you ask me Windows is the outsider.


RE: A shame
By jonmcc33 on 7/22/2008 8:21:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sure you can walk into a Best Buy store and by a $300 Windows PC, but don't compare that to a $1000 Mac Book and say that PCs are cheaper.


I never understand why you compare crap to a supposed jem. No, I can spend $749 on a Dell laptop with Windows Vista and get better than a $1099 MacBook. I like how you deducted $99 off of your price. It starts at $1099 at the Apple store so go off of that and don't cut corners to try to justify garbage.

So I'm getting better product for $350 less. You don't see any substantial difference out of that? And don't try feeding me the whole paying for the experience garbage. I use a MacBook with OS X 10.5 at my work so I know all about what experience you get. It's a hard fact but Macs don't "just work".

Gotta like your attempt at debunking the dumbed down part. Nope, I use it and it's something I'd maybe offer to children in 3rd grade but it's worth maybe half the price you pay for it.

So I use Windows XP on a Dell and OS X 10.5 on a MacBook at work and can't wait to get home where I have OpenSUSE and Windows Vista. I feel smarter the moment I turn my computer on at home.


RE: A shame
By kelmon on 7/22/2008 10:32:47 AM , Rating: 5
Why? As long as they are happy with their purchase, what the hell do you care?

Feel free to reply that they've all been ripped off, that they could have bought a computer from someone else for half the price, insert Steve Jobs name a few time, etc. etc. as if anyone really cares. I'm sure someone has the cookie cutter response available somewhere for a copy/paste.

If you really want to make a difference then I suggest you get yourself a cape, wear your underpants outside your trousers, and rush around Apple Stores "saving" people and their wallets from making uninformed buying decisions. You can strike a manly pose, if you like.

* Sigh *

Is no one else bored of this inane and pointless discussion?

In the vague hope that we might discuss the article itself, my bet is the product transition mentioned will be touch screen iPods across the range, with the exception of the shuffle. I don't see Apple doing anything significant with the Mac product range except adding Centrino 2, and the 3G iPhone has only just been released. September is the usual time for an iPod overhaul so it seems reasonable that it has something to do with that.


RE: A shame
By ThatNewGuy on 7/22/2008 10:35:47 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
If you really want to make a difference then I suggest you get yourself a cape, wear your underpants outside your trousers, and rush around Apple Stores "saving" people and their wallets from making uninformed buying decisions. You can strike a manly pose, if you like.


Tried that... got thrown out of the store.


RE: A shame
By kelmon on 7/22/2008 11:19:08 AM , Rating: 2
Please tell me you've got video of that! Instant YouTube classic, right there. You might need to think of a theme song, though.


RE: A shame
By fibreoptik on 7/24/2008 11:02:30 AM , Rating: 2
Revolution by the Beatles =)


RE: A shame
By fibreoptik on 7/24/2008 11:03:48 AM , Rating: 2
or... Firestarter by Prodigy >:)


RE: A shame
By jonmcc33 on 7/22/08, Rating: -1
RE: A shame
By Radnor on 7/22/2008 10:53:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
As long as Jason Mick keeps posting Apple garbage then I guess we're going to have to keep on keeping on.


Some of us are extremely bored at work and we need a good laugh once and while. Im happy hes here, the amount of bashing that usually trails his posts and indeed entertaining.

Sorry once more Jason, at least I'm sincere.


RE: A shame
By jonmcc33 on 7/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: A shame
By Pirks on 7/22/2008 1:47:41 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Pointing out positives of Microsoft Vista and all of the many negatives of Appl's Mac lineup would be a very good start.
Look, Apple-obsessed zealot, how do you think it's possible to bring Vista and its "advantages" in the article discussing Apple's financials? Don't you want to discuss Jesus and abortion rights here as well, huh? Any other offtopic that comes to your little fanatical mind?


RE: A shame
By jonmcc33 on 7/22/2008 2:12:51 PM , Rating: 2
Who said I'm talking about this particular blog? Um, no. Pay attention! I'll take any of Jason Mick's future blogs to contain that. But that's impossible for the guy. He's a shining example of a true fanatic.


RE: A shame
By amanojaku on 7/22/2008 3:54:13 PM , Rating: 2
Jason Mick may not be as fanatical about Apple as you say.

http://www.dailytech.com/PC+Makers+Fearful+of+Smal...

quote:
RE: Was a matter of time
By JasonMick (blog) on 7/22/2008 2:45:11 PM , Rating: 3 Well if speed was not an issue in both cases, the Mac would still be the worse deal as you'd be paying more for the same level of functionality. (And your Mac would be easier to hack!) :)


On the other hand your posts make you seem to be quite the Microsoft fanatic. Here's a clue: neither one is much better or worse than the other. Unless you're a fanboy.


RE: A shame
By jonmcc33 on 7/22/2008 8:26:07 PM , Rating: 1
You missed the last part of that Jason Mick blog...

quote:
And a last key piece is Microsoft. Microsoft has dominated the OS industry with big high powered multifunctional operating systems. With the advent of low powered computers, many of the new netbooks are unable to support Windows Vista, prompting Microsoft to specially extend sales of Windows XP. However, if Microsoft does not focus on the market with new products, it risks losing ground to Linux providers who have always focused on light and lean.


Quick plug, eh? Has to find some way to slip in a negative Windows Vista comment. LOL! Thanks for helping to reinforce what I've already said.


RE: A shame
By robinthakur on 7/22/2008 7:22:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
He's a shining example of a true fanatic.


Pot? Kettle? Hypocrite? Mean anything to you?

I like reading Jason's stuff, so cram it with walnuts ugly.


RE: A shame
By jonmcc33 on 7/22/2008 8:29:10 PM , Rating: 1
If I am a hypocrite then what am I a hypocrite at? I use Windows, Linux and Mac so please tell me how I am a fanatic at anything.

I really just want Jason Mick to be a little more realistic. Something you seem to have a problem at as well if you actually read his stuff. O_o


RE: A shame
By Mojo the Monkey on 7/22/2008 2:02:15 PM , Rating: 2
My job is plenty challenging and my hours/responsibilities are just plain ridiculous. Part of keeping sane is knowing when to take a 10 minute break.

thank you internet, and thank you DT.


RE: A shame
By ZaethDekar on 7/22/2008 3:20:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If you are bored at work than you should get a more challenging job. Try construction out. It's physically demanding, you work outside to Mother Nature's amusement and I bet you won't get a single second to browse the web!


I tried that but got fired for looking stuff up online with my iPhone. Haha. J/k

I built houses for a little while, and pretty much worked sun up to sun down (sometimes later on the indoor stuff) for about 6 months. So I now take for granted being able to surf the web while I know people out there are working harder every day year after year non stop it seems.


RE: A shame
By robinthakur on 7/22/2008 11:43:10 AM , Rating: 3
I'm sure your day is improved by clicking on every Apple related article and complaining about its existence and its author. From the rest of us, you have our pity. I'm quite interested to know how Apple's doing personally, and their financial strength during a time of global economic adversity should tell you something even if you don't care to understand it.


RE: A shame
By jonmcc33 on 7/22/2008 1:42:59 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think you are going to learn anything serious about Apple from Jason Mick on his little DT blog posts.

Try these out instead:

http://www.macworld.com

http://www.maclife.com

http://www.mactech.com

A lot more helpful aren't they?


RE: A shame
By Pirks on 7/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: A shame
By jonmcc33 on 7/22/2008 2:15:21 PM , Rating: 3
Well, at least I gave you some real links that will actually give you some information on Apple and Macs. Jason Mick wouldn't even give us a blog on the latest OS X 10.5.4 update!


RE: A shame
By Megatomic on 7/22/2008 10:40:10 AM , Rating: 2
Thank you for saving me a lot of typing. I get no end of amusement from the hypocrisy of the anti-Apple fanatics.

I have a speculation as to what Apple may unveil later on: a new desktop form factor between the Apple Mini and the Mac Pro. I've seen significant demand for a product like that on various message boards, maybe Apple has noticed as well.


RE: A shame
By jbizzler on 7/22/2008 10:45:23 AM , Rating: 2
I was speculating this too. Maybe "product transition" means they'll bring the Mac Mini to an expandable mATX or midtower. Maybe that's why they havn't updated the Mini in ages!

But, I don't think that's likely. Since they're hinting at competitive pricing, they're either releaseing new low-end products (Macbook or Mac Mini), or a new display since the pricing on their old ones suck.

Everyone knows a new Macbook Pro could be out any week, but I doubt that's what they're talking about here.


RE: A shame
By ZaethDekar on 7/22/2008 10:47:21 AM , Rating: 2
Bets on the name?

Apple Mac Mini Pro (say it fast and it makes you laugh)
or
Mini Apple Jack Pro (Kids love apple jacks right? So why not name it so the kids want it more?)


RE: A shame
By nosfe on 7/22/2008 10:59:35 AM , Rating: 4
actually i think it'll be named Apple iJobs Me (Magical Edition)


RE: A shame
By kelmon on 7/22/2008 11:25:05 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, I've seen the same requests, but I honestly doubt that the mythical mid-range tower is going to put in appearance unless I've slipped into a parallel universe, in which case it will no doubt be accompanied by the tablet Mac and 12" MacBook Pro. Unless Apple is planning to crack into a new market I can't see such a system selling that well, much like the Mac Mini didn't do so well, because they'll need to hobble is somehow to prevent it cannibalizing sales of the iMac/Mac Pro.

Still, I've been wrong before and speculation is always fun. There's probably enough ideas out there on the internet tubes to produce the usual bingo card.


RE: A shame
By Hare on 7/22/2008 12:05:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I have a speculation as to what Apple may unveil later on: a new desktop form factor between the Apple Mini and the Mac Pro. I've seen significant demand for a product like that on various message boards, maybe Apple has noticed as well.

"Pro Cube" maybe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Mac_G4_Cube

That would be sweet :)


RE: A shame
By DASQ on 7/22/2008 1:14:39 PM , Rating: 2
Well, being that the Cube bombed and basically ate dirt, I'd hope Apple wasn't going to try that again.


RE: A shame
By Pirks on 7/22/08, Rating: -1
RE: A shame
By jonmcc33 on 7/22/2008 2:05:15 PM , Rating: 2
Who says I am a Windows fanatic? Do you know what a fanatic is? I use OpenSUSE and Windows Vista at home and yes I do use both a Dell with Windows XP and a Mac with OS X 10.5 at work. I've actually been through the AppleCare service training to support Mac systems across the company. I never bothered with the certification because it won't get me any more money in my paycheck.

Don't you just look stupid now? I'm so sorry! Forgive me please!


RE: A shame
By Pirks on 7/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: A shame
By Natfly on 7/22/2008 5:07:30 PM , Rating: 2
Funny that you mention obsession with DT posts about Apple...judging from your comments it seems you have the same problem.


RE: A shame
By Pirks on 7/22/2008 8:00:01 PM , Rating: 1
After you learn to read you may notice that it was not me who started the "Jason Mick is Apple fanatic" stink here, it was jonmcc33 again, as always. Good luck in improving your reading comprehension skills.


RE: A shame
By jonmcc33 on 7/22/2008 8:31:50 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, so now I'm not a Winfanatic but a fanatic overall? Got caught with your pants down there, buddy? Don't worry, we all won't laugh at you too much. Keep trying though! Keep trying!


RE: A shame
By Natfly on 7/22/2008 8:51:38 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, the 'he started it!!!' defense. What does that have to do with my original statement and your obsession? Nevermind, continue your crusade against apple haters.


RE: A shame
By Pirks on 7/22/2008 9:28:09 PM , Rating: 2
Crusade? Since when ridiculing Apple bashers and whiners became a crusade? I thought it was more like fun/leisure time ;-)


RE: A shame
By jonmcc33 on 7/22/2008 10:13:47 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not bashing Apple. You need to pay attention more often.


RE: A shame
By Pirks on 7/22/2008 10:33:42 PM , Rating: 2
You're bashing blogger who happens NOT to post the crap about Apple you WANT him to post. Which is essentially the same.

"Oh, look, that stupid Apple fanatic Mick AGAIN forgot to put words LOSERS and INFERIOR HARDWARE when he was writing about Apple, what a nonsense, he MUST be Apple fanatic since he forgot to mention these words TWICE in EVERY LINE of his post"

See, not all bloggers are Apple bashers like you, so not all of them put words CRAPPY MACS and INFERIOR MACS in every posting they make. Just deal with it. Grow up and stop whining already, what's the point? Mick is NOT an Apple basher you want him to be. YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT, so why bother posting your verbal stink here, huh?


RE: A shame
By robinthakur on 7/22/2008 7:26:03 PM , Rating: 2
I smell BS in your post. Just junior IT tech support more like.


RE: A shame
By omnicronx on 7/22/2008 3:39:46 PM , Rating: 2
Why? If somebody wants to spend more money than they have to, meanwhile trying to justify the purpose, let them, not my money, so I don't care.

Personally, if I wanted something that was that overvalued, I would buy some Apple or Yahoo stock, but that's just me ;)


Mid range tower?
By funduck on 7/22/2008 11:48:41 AM , Rating: 2
A mid range apple tower with PCIe 16x and a standard Intel c2d socket using ddr2 or 3 would be great IMO. One of the major problems with macs is the total lack of upgradability




RE: Mid range tower?
By ZaethDekar on 7/22/2008 12:20:30 PM , Rating: 2
Won't happen in our lifetime is how I feel about that.

The main reason why I think macs are selling so well is because of lack of upgrading. You don't have to think about all the extra stuff. That is why PC's are Personal Computers... because you can do whatever you want with it.

Just install linux and use the mac style GUI. It'll function about the same to most users.


RE: Mid range tower?
By kelmon on 7/22/2008 12:42:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
One of the major problems with macs is the total lack of upgradability


I don't think anyone here will disagree with you, but do you think this flaw is recognised by the markets that Apple targets? With the exception of the graphics card, what would you want to upgrade? Memory can always be added (with the exception to the MacBook Air) and hard drives attached. Honestly, the only real advantage I see with the mid-range tower is that you could connect it to a monitor of your choice rather than an iMac's built-in display. I doubt the ability to upgrade components will be much of a draw to the size of market that Apple needs to capture. Heck, PC gamers aren't going to adopt it...

Again, I may well be wrong.


RE: Mid range tower?
By ufgreg on 7/22/2008 1:25:25 PM , Rating: 2
My problem with the Imacs are that they are constucted with laptop components. The only thing you can upgrade in them is the memory. A mid size desktop would have much greater performance at the same price point. It would be nice to have a single fast quad core (instead of two of them in the mac pro)because two chips may not offer much more performance unless you are working with insanely mutltithreaded applications. Other problems include FDimm memory, and components upgrades that are priced 2-3x as much as other computer builders. I think apples midrange does not want deal with wires or the internal workings of a computer. I always love asking my apple friends what is in their fancy macbook pros and getting mostly blank stares. I love knowing exactly what is in my computer and being able to change it out if I can buy a graphics card with 2x the performance of mine for $150.


RE: Mid range tower?
By kelmon on 7/22/2008 3:51:49 PM , Rating: 2
Fair comment on the laptop components in the iMac. It's a testament to how good Intel's notebook chips are that you can get away with them in a desktop computer, but I can appreciate that there is another level available before you get to the Xeons.

To be fair, I am biased because I switched to notebooks years ago, so I'm used to not changing components. However, I do suspect that the only group who would gain from the mid-range desktop Mac would be gamers, and I just don't see them being a big enough market, particularly given the relative lack of games available for the Mac, to warrant their own product. The Mac Mini, to me, made more sense than the idea of a mid-range tower and that turned out to be a lot less successful than I expected.


RE: Mid range tower?
By MScrip on 7/22/2008 8:16:46 PM , Rating: 2
Apple's desktop computers are missing a model... they have the tiny "cigar box" Mac Mini, the "computer in a monitor" iMac and and a server class tower. They need a regular ol' desktop. Using standard desktop parts, one optical drive and two 3.5" bays. Just a simple desktop. They could probably make one cheaper than a Mac Mini because they aren't trying to cram laptop parts into a Tupperware container.

It doesn't have to be that big either. Just how they've managed to squeeze the parts into a Mac Mini... just do the same with desktop parts. It could still look Applelike.


Apple
By Will14 on 7/22/2008 12:55:36 PM , Rating: 2
Apple products are artsy "cute", some are well designed some are not. They have a very good business model.

Part of Apples success is this, Release a product which is over priced with the bugs drawbacks and reduced features.
Sell 1 million upon release to fanboys(or image seekers) etc and due to the hype.
Then release version 2.0 for significantly less which works fully. Apple Fanboys will run out and buy this one too usually. I'd consider a versioin 2 or 3 never a release model.

This is one thing I don't like, the second is bundling. Quicktime, Safari, Itunes. Not sure which is bundled with which but I know quicktime was bundled with Itunes(at one point had no separate option). Now background services, Itunes has its sharing service or use to so you could share music to others on your network. When it was first released I found 2-3 services running before I even opened the program. Forget that. Itunes was/is a decent player, tracked usage favorites etc but not worth it IMO.

Buying an ipod. Your forced to use iTunes, forced to use DRM use apple store, load your ipod using Itunes. Now I don't have one because of this(and the overpriced feature). I would like a new mp3 player not an ipod. Now if I saw a few reviews on creatives or some of the others I'd like that and probably have bought one but I still have my old 40gb one I paid $200 for when the comparable ipod was $450.

What I see is 500 reviews for every single firmware update, ipod release etc. I wonder why they always sell a ton, the media hype doesn't hurt sales. I don't usually do posts but I think it is a point that needs to be made, given media is a business, post on Apple you'll have both fanboys and the other crown which'll groan and read anyway, providing good traffic.

I don't actually know any of my friends running MAC OS, I know a ton who have tried it but decided linux as a simplified OS alongside their windows was better. The increased sales does have a lot to do with the Intel processors and the ability to buy a pretty device to throw XP or linux on or dualboot.

I do like how now that all these people are using MAC OS that the bugs are crawling in as though it is raining outside and there is a big sugar pile they're headed to. Hmm as I've always said, the bugs are in every system it's just Windows which was targetted. Even most linux builds have quite a few flaws if someone cares enough to search.




RE: Apple
By DASQ on 7/22/2008 1:16:28 PM , Rating: 1
Actually Apple has a terrible business model, but make popular products that consumers are happy to purchase.

They've got 1001 tricks to 'rope you in' and keep you in the Apple world.


RE: Apple
By robinthakur on 7/22/2008 7:38:35 PM , Rating: 2
I'm confused here doesn't that make it quite a good business model? I've owned 5 iPods and 3 iPhones and a macbook pro so I can't claim to be unbiased... :) Whilst I loved them all dearly I only use the iPhone 3G still and Vista at home on my self-built rig. Its not as nice as a mac (in the looks stakes) but it gets the job done I suppose.


RE: Apple
By THEiNTERNETS on 7/22/2008 9:49:01 PM , Rating: 2
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Part of Apples success is this, Release a product which is over priced with the bugs drawbacks and reduced features.


Umm. I have a first revision Macbook that is still kicking the pee out of everything I can throw at it. I'm running Tiger, and I've yet to experience these so called "bugs." It was my first mac so I'm no fanboy either.

I'm going on year two with this baby and it starts up in about 15 secs and does everything I want it to do. I'm upgrading the hard drive myself this week, I already stuck more ram in the thing. There is nothing gimped about my laptop.

Why do people come on DT and pretend as if they know the dirty secret of Apple's success?

"it's the style, there's no substance!"
"they overcharge on hardware!"
"they design them for the mentally incompetent!"
"Steve Jobs is friend with the aliens!"

I have a damn fine laptop. It cost me a grand and got me a free printer and ipod in the transaction. I payed less because I was a student. And the tech support experience (I've had two, quick friendly excursions) has been wonderful.

There is no great voodoo to any of this.

I didn't buy it because it was pretty, or because Apple was cool. I bought it because the GUI stomps vanilla Windows and it did what I needed at a price that was reasonable compared to other laptops on the market.


RE: Apple
By kelmon on 7/23/2008 3:00:20 AM , Rating: 2
With respect to QuickTime and iTunes, it's worth knowing that QuickTime on the Mac is a fundamental system framework (read: code library) used for playback of media and that the QuickTime Player is just a handy front-end to that code. Since Windows doesn't have the QuickTime framework normally, but does already have the QuickTime Player (and therefore the QuickTime framework when that is installed), bundling the QuickTime Player with iTunes was probably the easiest way to get iTunes to work under Windows. Annoying, I grant you, but the history should clarify why things are the way they are.

Finally, I think you're overstating the number of bugs in OS X. Yeah, there's definitely a few in there, but suggesting that "the bugs are crawling in as though it is raining outside and there is a big sugar pile they're headed to", while poetic, is really over the top. Currently I can think of 2 bugs, which are probably all related to the same problem when handling proxy server PAC files. Annoying but, as they say, "one swallow does not make a summer".


RE: Apple
By gregorov14 on 7/23/2008 2:30:30 PM , Rating: 2
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Buying an ipod. Your forced to use iTunes, forced to use DRM use apple store, load your ipod using Itunes.

There seem to be several flaws in this argument. First, you're not forced to use the iTunes music store. Just for comparisson, Amazon has an mp3 store itself and they're just as cheap (many times cheaper) than iTunes and offers all its music in mp3 format at 256kbps (twice the DRM iTunes AAC). Not sure how their song selection compares to iTunes, but it's pretty good overall.

Secondly, you don't have to use iTunes. Music playing can be done by numerous other programs, and while I haven't used Macs very often, I'm sure you can find an alternative music player on a mac. As far as using iTunes to transfer music, there's some validity to that. I know on Windows you can use a winamp plugin and use winamp verses using iTunes to transfer music to and from the iPod. Not sure if it's possible on the mac though, seeing as winamp is, well, for windows. I don't own an iPod, so I don't entirely know all the details about the mlipod? plugin (whatever it is), but I know people who use it. I suppose there's something out there. Even so, you can just use iTunes to just copy on select songs and not synch the library every time it's connected to the computer, thus eliminating the need to have to actually use iTunes beyond copy+paste.

I will agree on this that I hate the services associated with iTunes, especially since I don't have an iPod. Although I'm pretty sure they do next to nothing, so I'm fine with it. And then with the bundling of software, what's worse is that for some reason I tried turning off auto-updating and it still pops up messages telling me to install Safari. I'll get around to fixing then when I get back from Europe in September, but they're persistent in that respect.


Macs are not expensive
By blwest on 7/22/2008 8:56:38 PM , Rating: 2
Spec out a dell workstation with the EXACT same specs as a mac pro, then tell me who's more expensive.

The difference is very simple, so simple in fact, most DT readers cannot understand the concept. Apple doesn't ship bottom of the barrel configs. True, there is no $299 pc from Apple, rather a PC that does everything it's advertised to do out of the box.





RE: Macs are not expensive
By Pirks on 7/22/2008 9:45:28 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I compared Mac Pro octo-core with Dell Precision configured exactly the same and Dell came out about thousand bucks MORE EXPENSIVE than Mac Pro.

Tsss, don't tell that to local Apple bashing idiots, or the stink from them will get even stronger ;-)


RE: Macs are not expensive
By retrospooty on 7/23/2008 12:10:19 AM , Rating: 3
"Spec out a dell workstation with the EXACT same specs as a mac pro, then tell me who's more expensive."

Nice job in totally missing the point.... With PC you dont HAVE to spec anything out exactly as a Mac pro, with PC you can get exactly what you want and not pay extra for things you dont - also, if the particular Dell system isnt priced right on that particular day then look at HP, Lenovo, Acer, Asus, or many many others... or get a local store custom built one, or build your own... And besides all that, dont kid yourself, Apple is way more expansive - not necesarily every day, on every single system compared, you can always cherry pick and find the most expensive PC's out there to compare = but overall anyone and everyone knows PC's get you way more bang for your buck, plug 3d gaming to boot.


RE: Macs are not expensive
By jonmcc33 on 7/23/2008 7:53:35 AM , Rating: 2
I love it when you add the memory upgrade for a MacBook. $300 more for 4GB RAM?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

Oooopsy! Mac charged 3X the price for the same thing!

$150 for upgrade from 120GB to 250GB SATA HDD for MacBook?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

Oooopsy! Mac charged 50% more for the same thing!

Oh, I forget, you pay for the experience. <rolling eyes>


RE: Macs are not expensive
By kelmon on 7/23/2008 8:21:46 AM , Rating: 2
The memory thing is a well known issue that no one actually understands. With the exception of a 2GB memory module for a MacBook Pro, which Apple was actually cheaper for, they are always more expensive and so people are always recommended to DIY unless they are buying something like a Mac Mini where installing your own is a pain.

With respect to the hard drive, how do you know you are comparing like with like since Apple never provide a part number in the specifications?

At the end of the day you are going to end up paying more with any manufacturer because you are paying them to not only install the product but also manage the warranty. This information is nothing new or, frankly, very interesting.

You might want to get your eyes looked at. That's a nasty problem you've got there and people might think you're crazy.


Sad People
By hiscross on 7/22/2008 8:17:27 PM , Rating: 2
Why is it when Apple news is posted on Daily tech I read all of negative comments? Are so many sad and unhappy in the world that they have write such negative statements? That's terrible. I'd like to see DT post more on IBM, Cisco, H-P, Dell, etc and see what is written. Seems if you are a Apple person DT people have nothing but contempt for you. Sad, very sad.




RE: Sad People
By Pirks on 7/22/2008 9:41:30 PM , Rating: 2
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Why is it when Apple news is posted on Daily tech I read all of negative comments?
Because DT is a historical home turf for all sorts of Apple bashers, whiners and other low-income white trash like that. Don't ask me why, I wonder myself why they are attracted to DT so much.


RE: Sad People
By jonmcc33 on 7/22/2008 10:19:32 PM , Rating: 2
Low-income white trash? People want the most for their money. You don't understand the concept of that so you resort to insulting thousands of people you have never met before?

Thanks for showing your true colors at least. Now I won't have to feel dumber by reading what you have to say.


RE: Sad People
By Pirks on 7/22/2008 10:47:23 PM , Rating: 2
If people want the most for they money - they research the market and buy what they feel is the best, and judging by Mac sales growth more and more people think Mac is the best. You can whine about Mick around o'clock, still Mac sales will continue to grow because more people love Macs and their user-friendly software and hardware :-P

While at the same time white trash continues to whine about bloggers who dare to forget that they must please that trash and bash Apple in every post. How dare they, Apple fanboys! Grrr!! :)))

Actually, you feel dumber not when you reading, you become dumber when you post your usual moronic whiny rubbish about Mick.


RE: Sad People
By robinthakur on 7/23/2008 10:13:17 AM , Rating: 2
While I think white trash is going a bit too far, I think the whole anti-Apple bandwagon seems to attract the too-little-money and too-little-tolerance brigade all too often. I wouldn't call them white trash, cos that seems racist, i'd just call them peasants and be done with it.

Now...having said that, I was in the Apple store today to pick up another iPhone 3G and their staff really managed to annoy me. Apart from the fact that they were all dressed frighteningly trendy (one was wearing a beret...a BERET in the height of London summer!) the guy who was presiding over the iPhone queue just blanked you whenever you asked him a question and practically said that I should feel lucky you're not waiting 3 hours for the phone. Now there's knowing you sell a decent product that's in demand and there's just being up your own ass, and vhe was the latter.

I decided to return another time for some 16GB white iPhone goodness. Hail to the Mack...er Mick.


Mmmm Olivia Munn...
By Baked on 7/22/2008 11:12:28 AM , Rating: 3
She can lick my Mac anytime.




RE: Mmmm Olivia Munn...
By fibreoptik on 7/24/2008 11:06:13 AM , Rating: 2
yeah, she probably looks awesome on all fours too...

too bad we have see Kevin's ugly mug at the same time though :( dude is the anti-wood...


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