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Apple rolls out the latest update for Snow Leopard

Apple has just released OS X 10.6.5 for Mac computers. This latest update for Snow Leopard includes a wealth of security updates.

  • Here's a list of what's new in OS X 10.6.5:
  • improve reliability with Microsoft Exchange servers
  • address performance of some image-processing operations in iPhoto and Aperture
  • address stability and performance of graphics applications and games
  • resolve a delay between print jobs
  • address a printing issue for some HP printers connected to an AirPort Extreme
  • resolve an issue when dragging contacts from Address Book to iCal
  • address an issue where dragging an item from a stack causes the Dock to not automatically hide
  • resolve an issue with Wikipedia information not displaying correctly in Dictionary
  • improve performance of MainStage on certain Mac systems
  • resolve spacing issues with OpenType fonts
  • improve reliability with some Bluetooth braille displays
  • resolve a VoiceOver issue when browsing some web sites with Safari 5 

You can download OS X 10.6.5 from the Software Update menu in OS X or download it directly here.



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This site makes me laugh
By saarek on 11/11/2010 6:36:02 AM , Rating: 5
I always enjoy reading an article about anything to do with Apple on Dailytech, the immediate reaction is "oh no, an article about Apple, we need to bash them immediately".

Seriously, just like I don't understand all the Apple Fan Boys I don't get most of the Windows only people here.

I use both Windows and OS X and am happy to get along with both platforms.




RE: This site makes me laugh
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 8:11:37 AM , Rating: 2
Two points:
1. Apple claims perfection and if you claim perfection your open yourself to scrutiny. It's Apple's own fault.

2. How many people really need multiple platforms? Are our lives really that complected? I use many platforms but I'm also in the computer industry and my use of mac is work related. I'm betting the average family/person has a desktop and a laptop/netbook/tablet and a phone at most.


RE: This site makes me laugh
By NanoTube1 on 11/11/2010 9:43:40 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Are our lives really that complected?


complected FTW!


RE: This site makes me laugh
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 10:01:35 AM , Rating: 2
:) smile*

Firefox spell checker isn't very reliable sometimes :P


RE: This site makes me laugh
By B3an on 11/12/2010 3:02:28 AM , Rating: 2
FF always does that to me too.

And i think the OP fails to realise the reason Apple gets bashed so much around here, is not (usually) because the person doing the bashing has some bizarre kind of love for MS, or even like MS at all. But because they have the brains to realise what a plague Apple and there products are. This site isn't filled with kids.

Not only are many of there devices and OS's very limited, theres the often inferior-yet-more-costly-hardware, the ethical reasons against Apples practices, the nazi-like control Apple impose, and then theres the blatant lies Apple constantly say and there misleading adversing in general.
And to top it off... Steve Jobs. What else needs to be said about that douche?


RE: This site makes me laugh
By Pirks on 11/12/2010 9:27:14 AM , Rating: 2
Jeez, you just hit a world record of Apple Anality! Man why so twitchy, so anal? Nobody forces you to buy Apple, stay away and be happy. Just peace out man. Cool?


RE: This site makes me laugh
By nuarbnellaffej on 11/11/2010 9:45:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
1. Apple claims perfection and if you claim perfection your open yourself to scrutiny. It's Apple's own fault.

That's all fine and dandy, but leave the rest of us out of it, we just want to be able to read said article, and engage in some interesting discussion. I


RE: This site makes me laugh
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 9:55:57 AM , Rating: 3
To me this is interesting discussion. You seriously go on the internet where tons of different people from all different walks of life and perspectives post and the complain that the discussion isn't going the way YOU want it to... really?

How about stop being so selfish and let people speak their mind?


RE: This site makes me laugh
By Tony Swash on 11/11/2010 9:47:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
1. Apple claims perfection and if you claim perfection your open yourself to scrutiny. It's Apple's own fault.


Apple doesn't claim perfection for it's products.

It just claims they are, on the whole, better.

And that they will try to continue to improve them.


RE: This site makes me laugh
By nuarbnellaffej on 11/11/2010 9:52:27 AM , Rating: 2
People cannot except marketing for what it is, and insist on taking things literal.


RE: This site makes me laugh
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 10:06:19 AM , Rating: 2
That's an awfully convenient statement to make. It would be one thing if it were blatant sarcasm however, Apple clearly made itself out to be some kind of prodigy with blatant lies. So yes, I take "fooling the masses" a bit literally. I wonder how you'd take it the tables were turned? Honestly though, I don't much care. If people want to buy into the marketing then fine, doesn't effect me because I'm smart enough not to. I was simply stating why people come here and bash Apple every time there's a hint of negative news about them. Simple as that.


RE: This site makes me laugh
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 10:00:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It just claims they are, on the whole, better.
Thereby opening itself to scrutiny. If you're going to claim you are "better" then you better be able to back it up in every way you can because the moment you show that you're not "better" you're inviting the masses to rain judgment down. That's the way the world works. Its the same reason why if you or i do something stupid (as long as it's not *really* stupid) then we say sorry and go about our lives the next day, whereas if a celebrity does the same thing it gets plastered all over the news and drives me crazy for about a month.

Now as far as the patch is concerned, good for them. I'm downloading it now...


RE: This site makes me laugh
By robinthakur on 11/11/2010 9:50:48 AM , Rating: 2
1. They don't claim perfection quite as much as you say they do. I recall Steve Jobs saying recently "We're not perfect" around time of Antennae-gate, so I think you're just a bit of a whiner. It's an OS, it will need to be patched from time to time. In general operation, it tends to work more easily more of the time to Windows 7 IMO, but W7 has also cut down on the unnecessary steps, so it's getting towards parity. It is interesting that in implementing some of the improvements, MS was subjected to an outcry from Windows users annoyed that their chosen OS was becoming more like OSX. e.g. the 'dock' task bar *sighs*

2. I use Macs and PC's at work, and I use both at home in addition to my iPad, iPhone4 and Desire HD. Having to use multiple platforms is not exactly unusual these days, especially if you work in an IT role. Everything we do at work has to be able to work on a mac (basically) and all web content has to be readable on an iPad/iPhone, mainly because the high ups at my company all use Macs, iPhones and iPads (even if some of them run Windows 7 on the Macbooks/iMacs). When I'm at home I rarely have to fire up my main (self-built) PC these days unless I want to play a game or am doing something *really* intensive like 3D rendering or lots of typing. For virtually everything else the iPad is perfect apart from when i'm out and about, in which case I use my Macbook Pro running OSX and W7. This might not follow the typical usage model but I wouldn't say its that unusual based on my circle of acquanitances.

Peace out


RE: This site makes me laugh
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 10:24:26 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
They don't claim perfection quite as much as you say they do. I recall Steve Jobs saying recently "We're not perfect" around time of Antennae-gate, so I think you're just a bit of a whiner.
I was simply stating why it is that i believe that people come here and bash Apple every time something negative is posted about them. Has nothing to do with my personal feelings toward Apple. I think you're the one taking posts to seriously. It's awfully convenient that Jobs says "we aren't perfect" when something goes wrong but when everything is peachy he says "it just works".

quote:
In general operation, it tends to work more easily more of the time to Windows 7 IMO, but W7 has also cut down on the unnecessary steps, so it's getting towards parity.
windows for me is the best compromise between the customization capability of linux and the ease of use with the mac platform. Mac's are simply to confining for my personal tastes; however, this doesn't stop me from effectively using one every day.

quote:
It is interesting that in implementing some of the improvements, MS was subjected to an outcry from Windows users annoyed that their chosen OS was becoming more like OSX. e.g. the 'dock' task bar *sighs*
People have been claiming that windows has been copying osx since windows xp and probably before, please explain to me how the windows taskbar is anything at all like the dock. I use both platforms regularly and honestly cannot see it. I WISH the dock was more like the windows task bar because the dock SUCKS in my opinion, same with finder.

quote:
Having to use multiple platforms is not exactly unusual these days, especially if you work in an IT role.
Thank you for confirming everything i just said. The common household probably does not have macs and pcs in the same environment. in fact most households have a pc and a phone and that's about as far as the "multi-platform" setup goes. I to have the same situation at work and home. I can use whatever system i want to do pretty much whatever i want (minus games and such), i choose to go home and boot my "self build" pc because it runs circles around my mac and is all around better for what i do "in my opinion".

This begs the question... what was your point?


RE: This site makes me laugh
By INeedCache on 11/11/2010 8:15:30 AM , Rating: 2
It's easily understandable when you view the Apple advertisements, watch their commercials, and read comments from the Apple faithful on any articles dealing with Windows, or for that matter Microsoft. It is human nature for people to retaliate, or at least defend. Windows folks simply have had it with the smugness and self-righteousness of the Apple crowd. When you make tons of claims that simply aren't true and evidence comes out nearly every day bearing that out, yet you refuse to wake up and smell the coffee, well, you deserve whatever you get. I try not to make too many anti-Apple comments, but sometimes a post is simply so much of a lie and outright stupid, that I cannot resist. Not everyone who views these comments is a computer expert or as well informed as some others here. I am merely afraid they will believe some of the tripe the Apple folks dish out. In my computer business I have seen plenty of messed-up Macs. My favorite read is when someone claims Macs don't get BSOD. Ha ha ha. If you believe that you're probably anxiously awaiting Santa's visit. Mac replacement parts? EXPENSIVE! The gift that keeps on giving.


Duh...
By nangryo on 11/11/2010 8:39:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
# improve reliability with Microsoft Exchange servers # address performance of some image-processing operations in iPhoto and Aperture # address stability and performance of graphics applications and games # resolve a delay between print jobs # address a printing issue for some HP printers connected to an AirPort Extreme # resolve an issue when dragging contacts from Address Book to iCal # address an issue where dragging an item from a stack causes the Dock to not automatically hide # resolve an issue with Wikipedia information not displaying correctly in Dictionary # improve performance of MainStage on certain Mac systems # resolve spacing issues with OpenType fonts # improve reliability with some Bluetooth braille displays # resolve a VoiceOver issue when browsing some web sites with Safari 5


And we have to pay for it?

I think a simple free online patch will be sufficient.




RE: Duh...
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 8:46:06 AM , Rating: 2
Pay for it? What? Who said anything about paying for it? You just go to software update and download it.

*confused*


RE: Duh...
By FITCamaro on 11/11/2010 9:26:15 AM , Rating: 2
Some updates Apple makes people pay for.


RE: Duh...
By NanoTube1 on 11/11/2010 9:45:34 AM , Rating: 2
mmmmm... not this one.


RE: Duh...
By rocky12345 on 11/11/2010 9:59:40 AM , Rating: 2
Yea but most of the time they do charge for updates. WHat do you think most of those updates are. Apple has been on version 10 of their OS for how long now? When are they going to move on to OS11 already? I remember Mr Steve spending about 1.5 hours giving MS the gears about not releasing a new OS since 2001 & that Apple had release 4 or 5 OS since then. That was before Vista was released. In truth Apple has only been releasing updates to an already out dated OS & calling it a new release then charging their customers for the minor update release 10.2,10.22,10.24,10.34 & on & on. Yes I know I do not have the versions right but just making a point. A new OS release by Apple would mean version 11,12,13 & actually change the big features by adding new stuff to the new OS not minor crap like they do. So in actual truth Apple has not released a new OS since they first released OS 10 & MS has released 2 or 3 since then. lol that should get some Apple dander up I guess.

anyways just my 2 cents.


RE: Duh...
By ltcommanderdata on 11/11/2010 10:31:50 AM , Rating: 2
Whether you compare features or usability, the difference between OS 10.0 and 10.6 is hardly "minor". Besides, Windows 7 is just the user facing marketing name and the actual OS version number is 6.1 whereas Vista is 6.0. Windows 7's server counterpart makes this even more clear by calling it Windows 2008 Release 2. Should Microsoft therefore have called it a minor upgrade and given it away for free?


RE: Duh...
By FITCamaro on 11/11/2010 12:48:11 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly yes they should have.


RE: Duh...
By FITCamaro on 11/11/2010 12:50:34 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry posted too quickly. The reason they didn't just make it an update to Vista (in my mind) is because Vista had come to be regarded poorly. No matter how much better they made it, it would keep that negative stigma. So they were in some part forced to count it as a new release because otherwise Vista would keep its negative stigma even if it did have everything Windows 7 has.

I honestly doubt I'll upgrade to Windows 8 unless there is a major reason to do so. If it just has a few extra features that I won't use but is still roughly the same code base, I'll pass on it.


RE: Duh...
By NanoTube1 on 11/11/2010 10:47:46 AM , Rating: 2
I use both Windows & Mac OS X so I guess I have a relatively balanced point of view.

Windows is easy, we had XP, Vista and 7. But truth be told 7 is more like a 1/2 release than a full fledged new OS. So we have 2.5 releases in 10 years - pretty nice.

Mac OS X is more fuzzy to an outside user. There is some truth in what you say but honestly, there is just no comparison between say... 10.0 and 10.4. Apple's approach is incremental but the changes are pretty huge. Many versions of the kernel, many rewrites, many many technologies & features added over the years. I say OS X had 3 main releases to date: 10.0 (the original), 10.4 (Tiger) and 10.6 (Snow Leopard).


RE: Duh...
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 10:49:01 AM , Rating: 2
Well sure, if you look at os iterations in numbered versions. Seriously i think you're buying way to much into the naming scheme. You do realize they could have just as well called osx 10.6 os11 right. I think Apple likes the osx logo/name. For general operating system updates you do not have to pay. It's only when they slap enough of them together and call it a new os that you have to pay. Now i will say this: there is VERY little difference in os 10.5 and os 10.6 but safari's latest update gave us "error this only works in 10.6" :) explain that one :)


Seems snappier on a 27" iMac with SSD
By sapiens74 on 11/10/2010 10:28:33 PM , Rating: 1
Safari has a lower memory footprint.....




RE: Seems snappier on a 27" iMac with SSD
By TacticalTrading on 11/11/10, Rating: 0
By jonmcc33 on 11/11/2010 1:00:02 AM , Rating: 3
The new Macbook Airs all come standard with 2GB RAM. You need to remember that "everyone" never includes Mac owners.


RE: Seems snappier on a 27" iMac with SSD
By FITCamaro on 11/11/2010 9:25:41 AM , Rating: 2
No offense but lots of memory doesn't excuse overly large memory footprints. Developers shouldn't write software with the attitude of "well everyone has tons of memory".

Yes Windows is large and uses more memory than OSX. But it also supports anything and everything. Something OSX can't claim since it only runs on the hardware that Apple dictates.


RE: Seems snappier on a 27" iMac with SSD
By nuarbnellaffej on 11/11/2010 9:50:29 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yes Windows is large and uses more memory than OSX. But it also supports anything and everything. Something OSX can't claim since it only runs on the hardware that Apple dictates.

You just couldn't resist, huh? He was talking about a browser, yet you still had to bring windows up, and offer some kind of apologetic qualifier..


By FITCamaro on 11/11/2010 12:53:48 PM , Rating: 2
Is it a valid point though? Yes.

Part of Windows being so huge is the myriad of drivers and support for the entire x86 world and nearly every piece of hardware probably since 2000.

Do I think there's room for improvement? Definitely.


By B3an on 11/12/2010 2:47:19 AM , Rating: 2
Most people, or mindless sheeple rather (not aiming this at you), forget what memory is actually for. And they moan when software actually makes use of there memory. As if getting the memory down as much as possible is actually a good thing. It's great to clean up sloppy programming, memory leakage and so on, but most of the time it's a good thing that the software isn't using tiny amounts of memory.


By INeedCache on 11/11/2010 11:16:15 AM , Rating: 2
Relevance?


Perfection
By Gio6518 on 11/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: Perfection
By chick0n on 11/10/2010 11:41:00 PM , Rating: 3
You're using Safari wrong.

Apple it just works, it has no virus, no bugs, no security problems.

Using a Mac makes me feel like I have 5 billion dollars around me in the middle of a desert ... see? I have all my money out and I'm perfectly safe !


RE: Perfection
By Pirks on 11/11/2010 9:19:36 AM , Rating: 1
Best dream of yesterday: get a big fat Vista disk and stick it REAL DEEP into the chicko's sorry little ass and rotate it there for a while so that the fucker feels it. Why? Because of this: http://forum.sysinternals.com/topic16421.html

I fucking had to reboot my Vista work machine TWICE to get the fucking USB drive out (once in the morning and once in the evening before I went home) since the ugly piece of fucking shit Microsoft's OS just kept locking it by a fucking PID 4 which is a fucking System process so there's no FUCKING WAY TO UNLOCK IT!!!

I want Ballmer to rape chicko with his huge fucking shiny bald head, without any lube so that chicko FINALLY SHUTS THE FUCK UP!

The only way for chicko to get out of this sweet dream of mine is to fix dumbass stupid MS coders who made Vista but I don't think that chicko will do mass execution for me so... I'll dream fucking on.


RE: Perfection
By NanoTube1 on 11/11/2010 9:36:53 AM , Rating: 2
Pirks is having a tantrum!


RE: Perfection
By Pirks on 11/11/2010 10:08:09 AM , Rating: 2
When you deal with MS tantrum is pretty much all you can do. With Apple it's actually even worse than with MS. There are cases where crying at MS may help, like I remember the case where telling one of the .Net team members about a bug in .Net 1.x resulted in him explaining what was the problem and actually TALKING TO ME PERSONALLY, although it just a very brief post on the TechNet forum.

With Apple it's always a FUCKING DEAD SILENCE. I submitted like 3 different bug reports, highly detailed and with easy test cases, about Quicktime for Windows bugs, an you know what? They have never EVEN BEEN REVIEWED. I checked back regularly for a couple of years after I submitted them in 2007 and I bet they still in their bug database UNREVIEWED.

But I still dream about Ballmer shoving his ugly head into little tight chicko's ass and working it in. 'Cause chicko is such a little fuck, he needs a lesson from Ballmey for sure :D


RE: Perfection
By NanoTube1 on 11/11/2010 10:25:33 AM , Rating: 2
With regards to Apple I know where you are coming from although they did contact me once for one of the bugs I submitted. I even read posts of people outside the US that said Apple support called them on the phone to discuss issues they had - a nice approach.

I have a question though, what's with "F" word today? you sound like you are about to pop a vein in your brain...


RE: Perfection
By Pirks on 11/11/2010 11:05:10 AM , Rating: 2
What's up with F? Sounds like a pretty correct word when dealing with chicko or Vista :)


RE: Perfection
By Tony Swash on 11/11/10, Rating: 0
RE: Perfection
By Pirks on 11/11/2010 10:23:19 AM , Rating: 1
Also chicko is a pretty famous wintroll so he deserves a special language, hehe ;) Actually I don't use USB drives in Vista that often so this problem is not of much importance for me. Just another indication how low MS can go when faced with no competition, Vista's huge bag of TOTALLY IDIOTIC/RIDICULOUS DESIGN/ARCHITECTURE PROBLEMS is a living proof.

I mean, how screwed up your mind should be to let these obvious problems through? Throttle network traffic when you can't play MP3 audio fast enough? Lock USB drives without ANY means to release them and explanations about it? Just a dumb error message and that's it? And then preventing sharing your music collection on your private home network adapters if JUST ONE OF YOUR ADAPTERS is on the public network? Seriously?

Vista is such a laughing stock for me, after all my experiences with its asinine architecture fuckups/moronic clownish tricks and gotchas, hence I can't resist the urge, especially when I see some nice wintroll target like chicko at the same time ;)


RE: Perfection
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 10:54:21 AM , Rating: 2
What's with vista all the sudden? You do realize there is very little difference between windows 7 and windows vista right? I think you're getting worked up over very little.


RE: Perfection
By Pirks on 11/11/2010 11:22:16 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
there is very little difference between windows 7 and windows vista
Why then 7 releases my USB drive just fine and Vista locks it like crazy?


RE: Perfection
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 11:32:12 AM , Rating: 2
No idea, that's something i'd have to troubleshoot. I can tell you though that i've never had that problem on any of the vista systems i've worked with. Maybe it's something i can help with. Are you using any 3rd party software that might be accessing the drive? have you tried it in safe mode?


RE: Perfection
By Pirks on 11/11/2010 12:43:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Are you using any 3rd party software that might be accessing the drive?
Since when have the System process with PID 4 become "3rd party software"? Please re-read what I posted above.
quote:
have you tried it in safe mode?
What's "safe mode"? What is its purpose and why people use it? Link to a description would be helpful, thanks.


RE: Perfection
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 1:13:34 PM , Rating: 2
Safe mode is a mode in which you can boot the computer. It forces windows to run in a "minimalist state" if your drive works in safe mode (it should be able to connect unless your drive runs some specific software such as the "u3 system", and even then it *should* work) then the problem is some arbitrary process that is "extra" which is either 3rd party or beyond the scope of the core windows files.

here a link to the wiki article on safe mode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_mode

and here's a link on booting to safe mode: http://www.computerhope.com/issues/chsafe.htm

Safe mode is a tool used commonly to rule out if the problem is with the core operating system or not, and it's also used to get into a system that's having trouble booting (either because of a bad driver, update gone wrong, etc)

quote:
Since when have the System process with PID 4 become "3rd party software"?
not sure, i've seen numerous people online having issues with something they describe as "pid 4" something about failure during the "write process". one example of this can be found here: www.computing.net/answers/windows-xp/?pid-4-system/ ?116646.html

One thing to consider. Does your system do this with all thumb-drives or just the one you're using now? Does this thumb-drive hand in other systems?


RE: Perfection
By Pirks on 11/11/2010 2:20:42 PM , Rating: 2
Well I know that the problem is with the core 'cause PID 4 is the corest of the cores, I think this is kernel or something. So no need to muck with safe mode.
quote:
www.computing.net/answers/windows-xp/?pid-4-system/ ?116646.html
The file was not found on the server. Please try again.

FAIL!
quote:
Does your system do this with all thumb-drives or just the one you're using now?
Only with USB HDD, not with USB flash drive.
quote:
Does this thumb-drive hand in other systems?
Not in Win7, only in Vista


RE: Perfection
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 2:52:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The file was not found on the server. Please try again.


Try this one. I'm honestly not sure how that "?" got in the link.

http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-xp/pid-4-...

I talked to my buddy who is an x-microsoft dev and he says there's a table in windows that maintains what files are open and if for some reason a file that resides on your removable media wasn't updated to closed (most likely because of a crash of whatever program had the file open) then the drive would still show as "not safe to remove". I already knew this bit but it's nice to have him verify. He said it could have been an old bug from vista that never got fixed but i find it weird that all my drives and removable media don't have this problem and if it were something as deep as the kernel you'd think it'd effect more than just one person.

quote:
So no need to muck with safe mode.

Well if you're set in your ways and ideas and have no desire to try these things then i guess i can't help you. Sorry man.

quote:

Does this thumb-drive hand in other systems?

I honestly have no idea how the word "hand" got in this sentence? I obviously meant "work" which i think you've picked up on.

quote:
Not in Win7, only in Vista
how bout other vista machines?

quote:
Only with USB HDD, not with USB flash drive.
according to my buddy, windows "for the most part" doesn't really differentiate anyway. Windows treats all removable storage (thumb drives, hdds, memory cards, etc) the same. There are a hand full of exceptions but i don't think they'd have any effect on your situation.


RE: Perfection
By Pirks on 11/11/2010 3:56:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Try this one
Doesn't have any relation to my issue. Now PID 4 does more bad things so what? It's unexplainable anyway, why bother?
quote:
you'd think it'd effect more than just one person
Google it up and you'll see that it affected way more than one person.
quote:
have no desire to try these things
Try what? Safe mode? I don't work in safe mode, I work in normal mode, so if safe mode works this doesn't help.
quote:
how bout other vista machines?
Never tested and won't test, I have only one Vista machine at work for now (Ultimate x64 on a Dell XPS 730X if you need details)
quote:
windows "for the most part" doesn't really differentiate anyway
Windows doesn't differentiate between FAT32 and NTFS? I don't believe your buddy, sorry.


RE: Perfection
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 4:12:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Doesn't have any relation to my issue. Now PID 4 does more bad things so what? It's unexplainable anyway, why bother?
Meh, just a suggestion to see if maybe there is any coloration as to what this process does/doesn't do? You do know process id numbers change right? for instance, if i launch a process and get pid 413, and then close and relaunch the process i'll get an entirely different pid number even though it's the same program. this is true no matter what operating system you're on.

quote:
Google it up and you'll see that it affected way more than one person.
well then you should also be able to google troubleshooting tips. if it doesn't affect everyone then it's not normal and obviously there should be some way to fix it. unless it's related to whatever motherboard you have.

quote:
Try what? Safe mode? I don't work in safe mode, I work in normal mode, so if safe mode works this doesn't help.
Diagnosing a computer problem is often trial and error and sometimes before you can figure out what something is you need to figure out what something is not. If it works in safe mode then you've effectively ruled out A LOT of things in one step. This is why you should try it. If you have no interest in diagnosing or fixing the problem and only want to complain about it, you should have said so.

quote:
Never tested and won't test, I have only one Vista machine at work for now
you don't have a friend with one or an old test machine you can throw up a quick test load on? does other drives of the same type work on your vista machine?

quote:
Windows doesn't differentiate between FAT32 and NTFS? I don't believe your buddy, sorry.
Sure it differentiates between file systems. I was referring to the devices themselves. as in it sees all removable media as a hard drive, fat32 and ntfs only affect how the data is read/stored/accessed not how windows treats the disk/device as a whole. ie: a hard drive is still a hard drive if its fat, fat32, or ntfs. obviously it has to work within the limitations of whatever file system it's working with though.


RE: Perfection
By Pirks on 11/11/2010 5:09:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You do know process id numbers change right?
You do know Windows process id 0 and 4 never change right?
quote:
you should also be able to google troubleshooting tips
There are no such tips for my case when locking PID is 4 since there is no technically possible way to figure out what exactly is causing the lock. PID 4 is kernel, good luck with figuring why the f*ck kernel decided to lock it without any apparent reason, and even when you LOGGED OUT and there's no explorer or anything!
quote:
before you can figure out what something is you need to figure out what something is not
I already figured out that it's not a 3rd party software locking me, it's kernel, what else can I figure out by trying safe mode?
quote:
you don't have a friend with one or an old test machine you can throw up a quick test load on? does other drives of the same type work on your vista machine?
Nah, no other available Vista machines around and I only have one USB HDD, so can't compare with other USB HDDs either


RE: Perfection
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 7:23:54 PM , Rating: 2
PID 0 is idle and PID 4 is the "system" process. How do you know it's PID 4 locking it? do you have a log that says this?

Yes there is still information that can be obtained by entering safe mode. You rule out anything affecting the system and know for sure that there are no outside problems. If your system is locking down your external media all by itself then there's probably something wrong with your system, but i can tell you from experience (i still have an old vista system kicking around here, and i had many more before 7 came out) that this behavior is not normal.

At any rate, i hope you figure it out. worst case up it to 7 at some point :)


RE: Perfection
By Pirks on 11/12/2010 9:33:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
How do you know it's PID 4 locking it?
Process Explorer told me
quote:
worst case up it to 7 at some point
Ya you tell this to my management and keep wet dreaming about it for a few more years, I'm stuck with this Vista stink OS parody for life :(


RE: Perfection
By Luticus on 11/12/2010 1:07:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Ya you tell this to my management

ooph that sucks man!


RE: Perfection
By NanoTube1 on 11/11/2010 12:32:15 PM , Rating: 2
If the USB drive has some sort of built-in software on it (like various SanDisk models), it can also cause trouble. If it does, try formatting the USB drive.


RE: Perfection
By Pirks on 11/11/2010 12:53:54 PM , Rating: 2
Does this built in software have PID 4? No? Well, you see for yourself now... ;)


RE: Perfection
By Spivonious on 11/11/2010 11:05:15 AM , Rating: 2
The network thing makes sense to me. If one adapter is on a public network, your computer is on the public network. If I lock all of my doors but leave a window open, the burglar can climb through the window and unlock the doors for his buddies.


RE: Perfection
By Pirks on 11/11/2010 12:29:35 PM , Rating: 1
Don't you understand that you can share your music ON THE HOME NETWORK NICs _ONLY_ AND DO NOT SHARE IT ON PUBLIC NETWORK NICs? This is exactly what Win7 does now, they fixed this fucking moronic idiocy in Vista that was driving me nuts for two years.

Hence, Win7 proved you wrong :P Congrats.


RE: Perfection
By Breathless on 11/11/2010 11:37:59 AM , Rating: 2
Did somebody highjack Pirks account? lol


RE: Perfection
By Tony Swash on 11/11/10, Rating: 0
RE: Perfection
By themaster08 on 11/11/2010 6:58:40 AM , Rating: 2
blind
noun
unable or unwilling to perceive or understand; "blind to a lover's faults"; "blind to the consequences of their actions"


RE: Perfection
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 8:15:16 AM , Rating: 2
Tool
Noun
One who lacks the mental capacity to know he is being used. A fool. A cretin. Characterized by low intelligence and/or self-esteem.

"That tool doesn't even know she's just using him."


RE: Perfection
By Shatbot on 11/11/2010 9:30:48 AM , Rating: 2
Milliner

Millinery refers to hats and other clothing sold by a hatter (a maker of hats) or to the profession or business of designing, making, or selling hats, dresses, and hat trim. It can also be used to refer to a type of store that sells those goods.


RE: Perfection
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 10:37:32 AM , Rating: 2
Heh, not the reply i expected! I'd so rate you up if i could just because it's funny :P


RE: Perfection
By Pirks on 11/11/2010 9:30:56 AM , Rating: 2
yo yo people, lemme fix it for ya ;) a bit of anti-swashing action is due here I think, so here we go:

envy
noun

feeling that Swash experiences reading the phrase "you can buy two of the upgraded XPS L501x laptop we're reviewing for a similarly equipped MacBook Pro 15" here ==>> http://www.anandtech.com/show/3999/dell-xps-15-l50...

a line of 14" HP notebooks whose name describes Swash feelings too

:P

sorry Tony, couldn't resist the urge ;-)


RE: Perfection
By Tony Swash on 11/11/2010 10:02:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
sorry Tony, couldn't resist the urge ;-)


That's cool :)

I think of you as friend ;)

I don't mind a bit of wit and opposition.

Its the people who have an orgasm every time something is reported which could be remotely interpreted to be a possible way to crticise some products they don't themselves actually own that I find insufferably asinine.

Asinine
adjective
stupid, foolish, brainless, mindless, senseless, idiotic, imbecilic, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, nonsensical, fatuous, silly, inane, witless, empty-headed; informal halfwitted, dimwitted, dumb, moronic.

ORIGIN late 15th cent.: from Latin asininus, from asinus ‘ass.’

This exchange of competing dictionary entries is actually quite good fun and way better than the dreary repetition of many comments around here.


RE: Perfection
By Luticus on 11/12/2010 8:27:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Its the people who have an orgasm every time something is reported which could be remotely interpreted to be a possible way to criticize some products they don't themselves actually own that I find insufferably asinine.
Right, because people look at, say, a $2500 laptop and think to themselves "that thing sucks, it's overpriced, and under-featured.... i need to GET ONE so i can criticize it..."

Why would i buy something that i believe will probably suck when i have the ability to read, stores to demo the device in, and friends who already own the device which i can then take a look at it and demo it that way? Do you buy devices you think suck? if you do... i find that pretty stupid man.


RE: Perfection
By nuarbnellaffej on 11/11/2010 9:38:24 AM , Rating: 2
People here seem to have the idea that apple users are elitists, posts like this only exacerbate the situation. So A+ for shooting yourself in the foot.. DT cannot post a single article about msft. or apple without the ms and apple fanboys hijacking the discussion threads.

I mean we are talking about computers, why do so many of you guys get so very emotional and dramatic? That goes to the anti-apple people as well!


RE: Perfection
By Luticus on 11/11/2010 10:38:29 AM , Rating: 2
Because it's funny?


RE: Perfection
By Gio6518 on 11/11/2010 8:08:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
envy


LOL

my family income (between my wife and I) is mid 6 figures, and have 7 figures in the bank...

so not really jelous of a turd in a pretty package, but you crack me up, like your some kind of elitist because you own a MAC. It's not like you have to pass some kind of rigorous accpetance policy, to have the privilege of owning a handicapped machine.


RE: Perfection
By ltcommanderdata on 11/11/2010 7:55:45 AM , Rating: 1
You can thank the inclusion of Flash for many of the security updates. 10.6.5 addresses 55 security vulnerabilities in Flash. This is no doubt why Apple no longer wants to ship Flash by default with OS X just like Microsoft no longer ships Flash with Windows, so that they no longer need to address Flash updates with OS updates and instead have Adobe push out updates to the user themselves.


RE: Perfection
By FITCamaro on 11/11/2010 9:20:20 AM , Rating: 2
When did Microsoft ever ship Windows with Flash? I've had XP, MCE 2005, MCE 2005 release 2 (or whatever it was called), Vista, and Windows 7. None came with Flash installed.


RE: Perfection
By ltcommanderdata on 11/11/2010 10:23:32 AM , Rating: 2
http://www.pcworld.com/article/61464/windows_xp_wi...

I believe Windows XP originally shipped with Flash Player bundled.


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