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Apple thinks that its new commercials will convince people to forsake Windows 7 and fall in love with Snow Leopard.  (Source: eHow)

The commercials will feature Justin Long and John Hodgman, as always.  (Source: Apple)
Get ready for the latest round of "Get a Mac", this time with a Windows 7 spin

Despite the fact that its own operating system OS X 10.6 "Snow Leopard" is experiencing a fair share of problems, shipping with a vulnerable version of Flash and having a bug where logging into guest accounts deletes all account data, Apple isn't afraid to fling mud at its larger rival, Microsoft.  This summer, Apple's executives already blasted Microsoft's upcoming Windows 7, and despite a negative response from the blogosphere, Apple appears to be ready to snipe at Windows 7 yet again.

BusinessWeek states that Apple will be launching new "Get a Mac" ads coinciding with the debut of Microsoft's Windows 7.  The ads will portray the new OS as ineffectual and boast of Macs' superiority.  Apple thinks that the ads have the potential to lure many more users away from Windows.

Describes analysts at BusinessWeek, "It will likely make the case that Macs are less susceptible to viruses and are best suited to its popular iPods and and iPhones.  And look for it to poke fun at Microsoft for making XP owners go through an arduous process to upgrade to Windows 7 -- one that includes backing up all their files to an external drive, reformatting their PC, and then reinstalling all of their old programs, assuming they still have the CDs."

Phil Schiller, Apple's senior vice president for Worldwide Product Marketing believes that Microsoft's customers will forsake the company when Windows 7 hits.  He cites what he considers an arduous installation process when upgrading from XP.  He states, "Any user that reads all those steps is probably going to freak out.  If you have to go through all that, why not just buy a Mac?"

Technically speaking, Mr. Schiller may be correct in his belief that some customers will switch.  Apple saw its customer numbers rise with the release of Windows 98, Windows 2000, Windows XP and Windows Vista.  However, there is a small chance that this trend will reverse itself, given Microsoft's more aggressive marketing, its unprecedented public beta, and strong media enthusiasm about the new product.

Snow Leopard has Windows 7 beat slightly on price, for non-students, but for college students the two are tied.  And Windows 7 offers more new and revised features than Snow Leopard.

Unafraid to make a prediction, Mr. Schiller tells BusinessWeek, "I expect Snow Leopard will have an amazing upgrade rate -- and Windows 7 won't."



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Magical Mac
By xyn081s on 10/15/2009 3:44:59 PM , Rating: 5
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And look for it to poke fun at Microsoft for making XP owners go through an arduous process to upgrade to Windows 7 -- one that includes backing up all their files to an external drive, reformatting their PC, and then reinstalling all of their old programs, assuming they still have the CDs."


quote:
"Any user that reads all those steps is probably going to freak out. If you have to go through all that, why not just buy a Mac?"


So, when you buy a Mac, you will not have to reinstall all your programs and pictures, music, etc.? Everything is just going to magically appear on your new shiny Mac?




RE: Magical Mac
By DarkElfa on 10/15/2009 3:46:45 PM , Rating: 5
Get a Mac?! I'd rather get an STD.


RE: Magical Mac
By naes21 on 10/15/2009 3:50:31 PM , Rating: 5
Why not get both....the itching and burning you experience with a Mac may make those crabs feel pleasant.


RE: Magical Mac
By bigboxes on 10/15/2009 8:00:33 PM , Rating: 2
Either way you're fvcked!


RE: Magical Mac
By spartan014 on 10/16/2009 12:08:04 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe you can add that to the feature wish list for the next OSX release.. Himalayan Snow Leopard!!!

http://www.thedoghousediaries.com/?p=969


RE: Magical Mac
By reader1 on 10/16/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By kaoken on 10/16/2009 12:44:08 PM , Rating: 2
Satisfied because they thought they got their bang for the buck.


RE: Magical Mac
By callmeroy on 10/19/2009 9:52:21 AM , Rating: 2
You know what I agree with you, for the most part -- I have two Acer LCDs and they work flawlessly - great color, no dead pixels, no issues with games -- good value for the price I paid (which wasn't much).

Anyway the funny thing here is considering two very important pieces of information:

1: Price range. Dell / HP / etc. all have low cost models. I've seen some as low as $400 or $500 these days (w/o a monitor). So wouldn't it be majorly pathetic if a $500 PC beat out a computer costing 2 or 3 TIMES as much or more?

2: Law of Averages. I'll never take an Apple vs. PC industry survey too seriously because its skewed by default in my mind. There are far more "PC folks" out there than "Apple folks".....so naturally you'll have a higher chance of finding dissatisfied PC owners than Apple owners because there exists a much larger selection of owners to get feedback from in the first place. If there are 10 mil Apple Users and 200 mil PC users ..... 10 million PC users aren't satisfied PC users, yet only 2 million Apple users aren't happy with their purchase.....see my point?


RE: Magical Mac
By othercents on 10/27/2009 2:17:00 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah the satisfaction argument is difficult because of the price difference. A single mom with 3 kids is not going to spend all her money to buy a mac, however she might go to Walmart and buy their cheap $300 Acer and keep it for 8 years. However the wealthy family would buy a mac for each of their kids and probably a new one every year. They also take care of their equipment different.

This goes the same for a car. You can't compare the customer satisfaction of a Mercedes S65 AMG vs a Ford Focus. The buyers are different and they take care of their cars differently. However the person with the Ford Focus could probably fix their own car.

Other


RE: Magical Mac
By amanojaku on 10/15/2009 4:04:49 PM , Rating: 5
The procedure for getting an STD is MUCH more enjoyable than buying a Mac, depending on the partner(s).
quote:
It will likely make the case that Macs are less susceptible to viruses and are best suited to its popular iPods and and iPhones.
Isn't this false advertising?


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By weskurtz0081 on 10/15/2009 4:22:29 PM , Rating: 5
Microsoft should come out with a commercial on Mac "features", like the one that deletes all your data etc.


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By weskurtz0081 on 10/15/2009 4:55:41 PM , Rating: 3
You think they would go after Vista when Windows 7 is released? I doubt it.


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By weskurtz0081 on 10/15/2009 9:28:43 PM , Rating: 2
Nah, I don't think it would be smart of them to target the "old" OS. Windows 7 has been receiving good reviews so far, and Apple targeting the old OS would make for an easy rebunk commercial by MS.


RE: Magical Mac
By retrospooty on 10/15/2009 10:28:22 PM , Rating: 2
" Their commercials theme would be "Win7 is actually Vista Spitpolish Edition" "

The only problem with that is that Windows 7 has been absolutely loved by everyone that has seen it. It is already seen as a total success in EVERY area Vista was a failure. Apple's recent climb from 3-4% worldwide marketshare to 7-8% is over and they know it. No amount of well done advertising will change that fact.


RE: Magical Mac
By StevoLincolnite on 10/15/2009 11:05:02 PM , Rating: 3
Pirks, don't talk crap about Windows 7, it's Microsoft's best Operating System -ever-. - Head and Heels above the MacOS as far as software and hardware compatibility goes.


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/16/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By Alexstarfire on 10/16/2009 6:19:51 AM , Rating: 1
Ohhh noes, let's all complain about having to click. A tiny bit retarded I agree, but is something that small worth complaining about that much? Yes, it should be fixed.


RE: Magical Mac
By darkhawk1980 on 10/16/2009 6:32:20 AM , Rating: 1
Still doesn't change the fact that it doesn't delete your user data when someone logs in as a guest. How a company misses such a huge bug like that escapes me....Then again, when you're Apple you can always claim it's an easy feature to wipe your accounts, right?

Apple has a decent OS, I won't deny it, but they have just as many slip ups as Microsoft. Top that with very miniscule market share and few hardware options, no wonder it has fewer problems. Most embedded applications tend to not have major problems. And I only use the term embedded because of the lack of hardware variation.

The more humorous part will be when Win7 outsells Snow Leopard, and all the macheads claim it's simply because of Microsoft's larger market share....Besides, all those PCheads don't want Win7 according to Apple, right?

Just the usual troll. Reminds me of those damn preachers out on the steps of my college buildings crying of the world ending. They were wrong, and just like them, you are as well. I suggest hiding in a white clamshell. It's where you belong.


RE: Magical Mac
By Alexstarfire on 10/16/2009 7:19:15 AM , Rating: 2
OT: You don't live in Atlanta by any chance do you? Cause we had a protest at Georgia State just the other day about all the homos that are going to bring the world to it's end.


RE: Magical Mac
By B3an on 10/16/2009 7:06:14 PM , Rating: 2
LOL why are so many yanks weird about gays? Is it because so many are religious freaks? Either way, glad i dont live there.

And everyone should ignore Pirks, he always does this as any regular DT reader will know. You cannot reason with him, so dont even try. All his posts do is backup the stereotypical point that Mac users are a-holes.


RE: Magical Mac
By Alexstarfire on 10/16/2009 8:27:16 PM , Rating: 2
IDK. Everyone I know was complaining about the protest and how retarded it was. Apparently many things they were doing were quite hilarious. One of my friends said they saw someone burn a bible in front of them. Wish I coulda been there for that one.


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/16/2009 8:44:29 PM , Rating: 1
Just ignore B3an jackass, his premise that I'm a Mac user is hilarious, but that's the only funny thing about that idiot :)


RE: Magical Mac
By noirsoft on 10/17/2009 3:42:51 AM , Rating: 1
BS. Sub-menus always appear on a hover unless you de-select the "open sub-menus when I pause on them with the mouse pointer" option in the properties. It takes a few seconds (hence the use of the word "pause")

I even turned on the option to show the control panel as a sub-menu and guess what? It appeared on a hover.

More lies from Pirks. Who would have guessed?


RE: Magical Mac
By Alexstarfire on 10/17/2009 4:14:45 AM , Rating: 2
That's actually not a lie, but ok. Seems that some people do have issues of it not being consistent for some reason. It's not that big a deal but still needs to get fixed.


RE: Magical Mac
By sprockkets on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By Alexstarfire on 10/15/2009 7:18:49 PM , Rating: 2
What's up with comparing old problems to new problems?


RE: Magical Mac
By chick0n on 10/15/2009 11:05:20 PM , Rating: 2
Windows Home server never delete my data "OUT OF NOWHERE"

Mac? Hmm ... forget it, it doesnt work anyway :)


RE: Magical Mac
By invidious on 10/15/2009 4:59:38 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Nope, since Macs indeed don't contract all the Windows malware out there (probably 99.99% of all malware on the planet), and Mac versions of iTunes/QT are indeed _way_ better that piece of dog excreta Apple creates for Windows and names iTunes ;)
So Apple gets to write bad code for the Windows versions of its applications and then point to said poor coding as proof that Windows is bad? Man you should start a religion with logic like that.


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By Alexstarfire on 10/15/2009 7:20:42 PM , Rating: 3
I'm sorry, but what did that have to do with Apple writing bad code for Window based machines again?


RE: Magical Mac
By reader1 on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By Flunk on 10/15/2009 9:29:37 PM , Rating: 5
It's not hard to write good code on Windows, you just have to not be a complete idiot. Even if you're completely lazy you can use .NET and be done with half the work... and great performance. Once again, assuming you're not a complete idiot.

It's just as easy to write poor code on the Mac, the only difference is that they've killed backwards compatibility so old programs won't run at all.

P.S. I am a professional programmer


RE: Magical Mac
By Akrovah on 10/15/2009 7:22:45 PM , Rating: 3
Hate to say it, but I actually agree. MS gets so much crap for Windows being bloated with useless stuff that they don't even install.

The silver lining to the dark cloud of death that is Apple's total control perhaps?


RE: Magical Mac
By FITCamaro on 10/16/2009 8:13:47 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly. Most of the bloatware comes from OEM software that gets installed before the PC even makes it into the customers hands. Macs don't have this problem because they don't have OEMs. But Microsoft really isn't responsible.

They give you an open OS that you're free to do whatever you want with. Mac gives you a box that it says "do whatever you want with as long as we approve".


RE: Magical Mac
By reader1 on 10/16/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/16/2009 1:35:30 PM , Rating: 1
Aren't you afraid that it may create an Apple monopoly instead?

Why would Apple's monopoly be any better than Microsoft's?


RE: Magical Mac
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/16/2009 3:28:35 PM , Rating: 2
You are an idiot....


RE: Magical Mac
By themaster08 on 10/17/2009 2:33:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
- Call it the new iDictate

Fixed that for you.


RE: Magical Mac
By erple2 on 10/23/2009 6:10:42 PM , Rating: 1
I'm rather surprised that this was down-modded. I thought it was pretty stinkin' hilarious! Bravo, nice bit of irony.

Also, go watch the Apple 1984 commercial again. How curious. Now imagine that the the speaker is Steve Jobs talking about the new iPhone, and watch the people mindlessly watching and soaking in whatever is spoken.

Chilling. Chilling...


RE: Magical Mac
By Gio6518 on 10/15/2009 5:06:49 PM , Rating: 2
Nope, since Macs indeed don't contract all the Windows malware out there (probably 99.99% of all malware on the planet), and Mac versions of iTunes/QT are indeed _way_ better that piece of dog excreta Apple creates for Windows and names iTunes ;)

i've never suffered from malware or viruses from windows in over 15 years.

and if your were to buy a mac based on the fact it syncs better with your ipod or iphone, well then you passed the qualifications on being dumb enough to buy a mac


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By darkhawk1980 on 10/16/2009 6:35:28 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Macs are designed for "dumb" AKA "tech illiterate" mass consumer, thanks for spreading decade old news here :))


I enjoy you calling yourself a 'tech illiterate mass consumer'. Atleast you speak the truth once in a while.


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/16/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/16/2009 4:14:08 PM , Rating: 1
"stupid dick", wow, real intelligent argument....will someone please ban this loser already?


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/16/09, Rating: 0
RE: Magical Mac
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/16/2009 7:44:09 PM , Rating: 2
Umm, then you should not be here, yet you are.


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/16/09, Rating: 0
RE: Magical Mac
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/16/2009 9:43:53 PM , Rating: 1
Um....ok? Tease me? What the fuck are you, a stripper?

And kid? If you say so....

You really need to get out of your mother's basement and get some air....


RE: Magical Mac
By inighthawki on 10/15/2009 4:16:44 PM , Rating: 2
And this is different from all of their other ads how?


RE: Magical Mac
By carniver on 10/15/2009 5:45:01 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, the Mac is your sexiest telecommunications device


RE: Magical Mac
By xyn081s on 10/15/2009 4:03:41 PM , Rating: 5
nevermind the fact that most of your apps and games won't work on your new mac.
I wonder how many brain-dead sheep will fall for this...


RE: Magical Mac
By Omega215D on 10/15/2009 4:49:58 PM , Rating: 2
Unless they end up buying *Gasp!* Windows 7 anyway...


RE: Magical Mac
By Flunk on 10/15/2009 9:31:36 PM , Rating: 2
Frankly I'm surprised anyone runs OS X at all now that you can run Windows on Macs.

I can see the appeal of the hardware but who wants to be limited to a tiny selection of overpriced software with terrible backwards compatibility when you can run everything Windows has to offer?


RE: Magical Mac
By Reclaimer77 on 10/15/2009 10:11:06 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I can see the appeal of the hardware


You can ?!?


RE: Magical Mac
By Dennis Travis on 10/15/2009 10:20:15 PM , Rating: 5
Why pay way more for the Apple hardware just to run Windows 7? That makes no sense to me. You can get an equal spec PC for way less than a Mac.


RE: Magical Mac
By StevoLincolnite on 10/15/2009 11:08:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I can see the appeal of the hardware


Give me a nice Windowed Antec/Lian Li/Thermaltake any day over the white plastic that the Mac's use, other than that... The Mac is Powered by PC hardware.


RE: Magical Mac
By Jacerie on 10/16/2009 2:40:52 AM , Rating: 2
Not totally true...

Apple had to stick it's over-grasping hands into the hardware as well. Macs use fully buffered DIMMS, and the PCI Express lanes are configured with some differences.

What does this mean? Not much really, but the FBDIMMS are a good bit more expensive for less speed and the PCI-X bus isn't capable of multiple x16 slots.


RE: Magical Mac
By KoolAidMan1 on 10/16/2009 3:36:35 AM , Rating: 1
That's because the Mac Pro is a workstation, not a consumer level desktop. Its a similar thing with any comparable Dell Dimension or HP workstations that use i7 Xeon CPUs. You'll see more expensive server and workstation parts in there, all at similar price levels as Apple's. Apple's prior generation Core Xeon Mac Pros were actually $500-$1000 cheaper than the same specced desktop by Dell or HP. For whatever reason that gap closed up when everyone went to i7 CPUs, no idea why.


RE: Magical Mac
By PhoenixKnight on 10/16/2009 7:28:48 PM , Rating: 2
You're absolutely right. When I was looking into the Mac Pro hardware a year ago, I found that it was only slightly more expensive than buying the hardware and building it yourself.

The problem, in my opinion, is that Apple doesn't have any mid-range desktops with regular, consumer-level Core 2's or i7's and DDR2/3. The fact is, most Mac users, even for professional use, don't really need workstation and server hardware.


RE: Magical Mac
By Omega215D on 10/16/2009 1:42:16 AM , Rating: 2
Actually I like running OSX on my MacBook and I also like running Windows 7 RC on my desktop. The battery life on my MacBook under OSX is around 5 hours, Win. Vista was 3 at best, Win 7 is RC so I'll hold judgement on that.

Plus I like the trackpad on the MacBook where I use 2 fingers to scroll down web pages and such.

Things I dislike about my MacBook? WiFi can get stupid sometimes and the trackpad has its moments of missing a click.


RE: Magical Mac
By damianrobertjones on 10/16/2009 7:54:43 AM , Rating: 2
Have a look on google for Vista services and turn a few off. Also turn of indexing.


RE: Magical Mac
By Omega215D on 10/17/2009 5:19:14 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, that's the first thing I do with any Windows install, whether it be XP, Vista or Win 7.


RE: Magical Mac
By KoolAidMan1 on 10/16/2009 3:47:24 AM , Rating: 2
I've run both operating systems side by side since 2002 and been a Windows user for well over a decade longer than I've been an OS X user. I know both backwards and forwards at this point.

The hardware is irrelevant, if I'd be guaranteed that Final Cut Studio would work well with zero hitches on a Hackintosh, I'd probably do it. The H-IPS display in the 24" iMac is great, I have the same one in a standalone $1200 LCD by NEC, but I think I'd be fine buying a second NEC with a Hackintosh. The small footprint combined with the display and power of the iMac is compelling, but I also wouldn't mind throwing a consumer level desktop CPU behind OS X (not $1000+ of Xeons like I would with a Mac Pro). The notebooks are a different story, the multitouch trackpad is second to none and the keyboards are excellent. Even if I was only running Windows it would be on a Macbook Pro.

But that's really the thing, even though I love Windows 7 I still prefer OS X for doing my work on, even disregarding the whole Final Cut Studio thing. OS X IMHO has much better window and workspace management than Windows. Given a choice (and I do since they're sitting right next to each other), I'll work on my OS X, it just has a better UI. My gaming PC is basically a very expensive toy and hobby box at this point, which is fine, I like toys and hobbies :). I don't buy the argument that for one thing to be good, the other thing has to suck, I think Vista and Windows 7 are great, its just that OS X is really really good and powerful for multitasking.


RE: Magical Mac
By PhoenixKnight on 10/16/2009 7:53:10 PM , Rating: 2
I'm running a Hackintosh alongside Windows 7 RC and Gentoo Linux. It runs about as well as an actual Mac. Any program that runs on an actual Mac works just fine on a Hackintosh; the only real concern is getting the OS itself to work, which isn't difficult but generally takes some extra steps, and getting hardware to work properly without causing a kernel panic. If you ever have a chance, you should give a Hackintosh a try and see how it works for you.

In my case, I use OS X primarily for my Photoshop work since I like the Mac interface for it better than the Windows one, use Windows 7 almost entirely for gaming, and use Linux as my main OS for everything else. Personally, I find both the Windows and Mac UI's lacking compared to KDE on Linux. I can heavily customize every aspect of it to fit my needs perfectly, and the huge library of applications available allows me to pick from a wide variety of programs to find exactly what I need. Of course, I don't recommend Linux to everyone because of the steep learning curve and compatibility issues.


RE: Magical Mac
By MonkeyPaw on 10/15/2009 5:39:55 PM , Rating: 5
What's awesome is how this "you must backup and wipe everything to upgrade" logic suggests that you should never have a backup made of your PC in the first place. In theory, an upgrade is just a perfect time to do a full backup of your important stuff anyway. Oh, the humanity!

Speaking of full backups, Apple sorta requires it, too. Snow Leopard has been known to accidentally wipe out all your user data with the whole "guest account may delete your user accounts" debacle. So basically, you have all the risks of a Win7 upgrade on a Mac, even though you haven't upgraded anything at all! Classic.


RE: Magical Mac
By sprockkets on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By SoCalBoomer on 10/15/2009 6:14:04 PM , Rating: 3
UNLESS you want to upgrade from a Dual-G5 Cheesegrater Mac that is only about 3.5 years old. . . then you're SOL. You're SOL if you want to put Snow Leopard on anything older than a couple of years. . .pre-Intel anyway.

This would actually be a GREAT advert for Carbonite (both Snow Leopard AND Windows 7) . . . back everything up automatically, then transfer the account to the new computer and voila, you're set up on the new computer.


RE: Magical Mac
By Jacerie on 10/16/2009 2:43:31 AM , Rating: 2
Also, don't forget the little fact that not only will you have to re-install all your apps, but you'll have to BUY them all over again at about triple the price.


RE: Magical Mac
By reader1 on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By 67STANG on 10/15/2009 6:50:52 PM , Rating: 3
Sure, same amount of work, but one costs much more.

- Upgrading to Windows 7 is $100-$200, depending on the version.

- How much does it cost to "just get a Mac"?
(Please also factor in the cost of re-buying all of your old software that won't run on your new Mac.)


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By totallycool on 10/15/2009 8:19:54 PM , Rating: 4
So you are saying, Buy a Mac, then Buy a Windows 7 copy and then run it inside VMWare on a mac....


RE: Magical Mac
By walk2k on 10/15/2009 8:23:10 PM , Rating: 4
Which you STILL have to buy Windows 7 for.


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By PhoenixKnight on 10/15/2009 11:20:24 PM , Rating: 2
The difference is that, in addition to buying Windows 7, you'd also have to buy a new computer.


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/16/09, Rating: -1
RE: Magical Mac
By Alexstarfire on 10/16/2009 7:16:23 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, pay even more money to do exactly what you could be doing on the old computer. That makes perfect sense.


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/16/2009 2:01:13 PM , Rating: 2
Well, not exactly. Devil is in the details (C)
No registry, no idiotic drive letters, no malware, Unix toolset and developer IDE out of the box, different hardware design (smaller/lighter) etc etc. C'mon Alex don't force me to tech you basics, will you? :P


RE: Magical Mac
By PhoenixKnight on 10/16/2009 6:58:11 PM , Rating: 2
And those things are precisely why I use Linux. Well, that and the very high level of customization that neither Windows nor Mac offer.


RE: Magical Mac
By Alexstarfire on 10/16/2009 8:30:54 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry, did running Windows on a Mac suddenly get rid of the register? I wasn't talking about the Mac OS at all. I mean, if you need Windows 7 along with Mac OS to get all the functionality then why would you pay extra for the hardware? Seems like if you're going to get Windows 7 anyway that you simply just wouldn't switch. It'd be less hassle (since you wouldn't need to install the programs on Windows 7 AND Mac OS) and cheaper.


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/16/2009 9:21:11 PM , Rating: 1
Not everyone is going after the cheapest deal, some prefer other criteria besides price. You know all that already.


RE: Magical Mac
By Alexstarfire on 10/16/2009 11:55:53 PM , Rating: 2
I can understand that, but if they are going to be running Windows 7 anyway then exactly what criteria are they looking at? Which costs more? Hell, they could buy a Dell, have some tech reinstall Win 7 without the bloatware, if there is any, and still come out cheaper much of the time.


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/17/2009 12:34:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
what criteria are they looking at?
Size/form factor


RE: Magical Mac
By Alexstarfire on 10/17/2009 12:56:44 PM , Rating: 2
That's obviously worth spending $2k extra for.


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/18/2009 5:52:07 AM , Rating: 2
why not? :)


RE: Magical Mac
By FITCamaro on 10/16/2009 8:18:00 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah because the average PC user knows wtf virtual machines are.


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/16/2009 1:51:58 PM , Rating: 2
Average PC users don't post here :P

Looks like another one who needs a lesson in basics... Alex was first, Fit's second :) Who's next?


RE: Magical Mac
By Alexstarfire on 10/17/2009 12:08:29 AM , Rating: 2
I kinda think that's about what he was getting at on that one.


RE: Magical Mac
By croc on 10/15/2009 9:08:58 PM , Rating: 2
What is NOT being said is that a user will have to purchase all new software to run on their new, shiny Mac, and this after already paying a premium for the hardware. BTW, there are no Mac versions of much of the software that I use, so now I have to download something like bootcamp, then run windows anyway (albeit slower) just to use what I already have. Some good logic there, if you buy into that logic then I have a bridge in Sydney that can be had for a small price.


RE: Magical Mac
By PhoenixKnight on 10/15/2009 11:24:35 PM , Rating: 2
Bootcamp is included in OS X, no extra download required, and Windows runs just as well on a Mac as it does a PC. It is the same hardware, after all.


RE: Magical Mac
By SavagePotato on 10/15/2009 6:10:00 PM , Rating: 3
Not at all thanks to the amazing power of the mac, all your apps won't work on it and therefore you won't have to install any of them again anyway.

You can just sit in your cozy little bubble syncing your iphone and surfing the web with the smug satisfaction that you just payed 3000 dollars... to surf the web and sync your iphone.

But wait wait wait, that's right you can run windows on your mac. So you can go pay again for a copy of windows 7, install it on your mac (that you payed 3x more for) and still go through the aforementioned hassle of installing all your stuff again on your highly overpriced new mac which is running windows.

It's all very logical isn't it?

Seriously if people want to run a crippled OS for the sake of not getting malware, just get ubuntu already.


RE: Magical Mac
By KoolAidMan1 on 10/16/2009 3:31:43 AM , Rating: 2
Three thousand is a bit of an overstatement. The 24" iMac starts at $1500 and its base model has a faster CPU and GPU, double the hard drive storage, and a great H-IPS display, compared to a Dell XPS One with MVA panel at the same $1500 price.

Apple's main hole in their desktop lineup is the lack of a desktop with PCI-E expansion that uses consumer level CPUs. The Mac Pro is priced competitively against other i7 Xeon workstations by Dell and HP, but a desktop with over $1000 in Xeons is far from what you would call a consumer machine. I'd only buy one if I was crunching loads of uncompressed HD video. Its too bad, but as it stands the rest of Apple's mid and high end lineup is competitively priced against other PC manufacturers, especially the iMac and the Macbook Air, both being cheaper and more powerful than competing models by other PC manufacturers.

That said, I have no love for the plastic Macbook and the Mac Mini, the latter because all of its cost is cramming expensive subnotebook parts into a tiny case. If they just had a larger headless desktop with consumer level i5 or i7 CPUs then there'd be a hell of a lot fewer complaints from people that are dead-set on buying an ATX style mid-tower PC instead of an all-in-one (nice as the 24" iMac is). That's really the main reason I keep building my own gaming PCs alongside my Macs. Maybe someday I'll get the druthers to put together a Hackintosh, I dunno, but I actually like the iMac, especially since its better than cramming two towers underneath my desk.


RE: Magical Mac
By Alexstarfire on 10/16/2009 7:24:11 AM , Rating: 2
No, just no.


RE: Magical Mac
By Alarchy on 10/16/2009 1:35:01 PM , Rating: 2
The Dell XPS One comes with a Core 2 Quad and the Apple iMac comes with just a Core 2 Duo. The iMac has a better screen though.


RE: Magical Mac
By KoolAidMan1 on 10/16/2009 2:49:22 PM , Rating: 2
True, but you're still hitting higher clock speeds with the iMac. With the Core CPUs I personally favor higher clock speeds due to the fact that most applications do not take advantage of that many cores. Its the reason that two years ago I went with an E8400 instead of a Q6600 in my gaming PC. It is a different story with the i7 and i5 CPUs since they have Turbo mode. Dynamically adjusting clock speed based on the number of cores used and the amount of heat produced is a very smart solution to this problem.

Either way, the $1500 XPS One Core 2 Quad clocks at 2.33ghz while the Core 2 Duo in the iMac clocks at 2.66ghz. Upgrade to the $1800 models and the XPS One remains at 2.33ghz while the iMac goes to 2.93ghz. The GPU in the XPS One is Intel Integrated while the iMac has a 9400M. Upgrade the models and they both get a boost in specs, in which case the iMac still maintains a performance lead at the same price points. Storage in the $1500 base model still has an iMac with double the HD storage at 640GB while the XPS One has 320GB.

Anyway, you get the idea. :)


RE: Magical Mac
By SavagePotato on 10/16/2009 2:56:17 PM , Rating: 2
Such an ironic name choice.

You really did take drinking the kool aid seriously didn't you?


RE: Magical Mac
By KoolAidMan1 on 10/16/2009 11:09:26 PM , Rating: 2
You respond to hard facts with a jab at the name, not unexpected and certainly unimaginative. >:)

The name comes from my online gaming handle; it makes for fun TF2 and CS sprays, and random people going "OH YEAH" whenever I jump into a multiplayer PC or 360 game. Its fun.

Either way, painfully sad try there, congrats


RE: Magical Mac
By Pirks on 10/17/2009 4:24:23 AM , Rating: 1
Come on, it's good ol' potatotroll, everybody knows him, he's no good for real arguments. Just ignore him ;)


RE: Magical Mac
By Alexstarfire on 10/17/2009 12:01:56 AM , Rating: 2
Considering what many Macs are used for a Quad core would have been better. Would be nice if you'd post links to the models you are looking at because I could very well find another computer that bests the iMac you are talking about.


RE: Magical Mac
By KoolAidMan1 on 10/17/2009 12:36:16 AM , Rating: 2
I am referring to the baseline $1500 24" iMac and the $1500 baseline Dell XPS One. The iMac has a faster C2D, a 9400M versus the Dell's Intel Integrated GPU, and 640GB of HD space versus 320GB in the XPS One. Bump up to the $1800 model and the iMac gets a spec bump across the board, including a faster 2.93ghz CPU. The XPS One at $1800 gets the same CPU as the cheaper model (terrible), a bump in the GPU from Intel Integrated to a 9600M GT (basically a rebranded version of the GT 120 GPU in the $1800 iMac if the notebook GPU benchmarks I've read are to be believed), and a much needed storage bump.

I just checked and there is actually a $100 instant rebate on the $1500 XPS One at the moment. Still, I think $100 extra for a faster CPU, a much faster GPU, double the hard drive space, and a huge upgrade on the LCD panel from MVA to H-IPS, are very justifiable for the price. Without the instant rebate (whenever it goes away), the price is even more justifiable. Any model above that has no rebate right now.

The upcoming iMacs are rumored to have Clarksdales in them. I was never sold on the Core Quads for reasons I went over up above, its why I went with an E8400 instead of a Q6600 in my gaming PC, but I am much more enthusiastic about the Turbo mode in the i7s. It is a very smart way to get the best of both worlds, quad core for multithreading in general desktop usage on the one hand, and dynamically focusing more power into fewer cores when a specific application needs it. Pretty cool.


RE: Magical Mac
By Alexstarfire on 10/17/2009 12:54:29 AM , Rating: 2
Ahhh, didn't realize the XPS One was an all-in-one model like the iMac. I must admit that compared to other all-in-ones that the iMac is a good deal. At least on par with all the others in terms of price. Most people don't buy all-in-one models though. Hell, if you take a look at non-all-in-one models like the Inspiron then you can get all the same components as the XPS One but for nearly half the price. A few upgrades and you easily surpass the iMac without even breaking $1k. Granted on the Inspiron you can't get anything other than the one quad which is stupid, but my point is still valid considering the options I picked for HDD, video card, and speakers. Dell isn't even that cheap either.

You're right that a Quad core is nothing compared to an i7, but if it was then no one would get the i7s. It's like comparing a Core 2 to a Pentium 4. I personally don't see the appeal for all-in-ones. Seems like it's trying to be a laptop-desktop hybrid but fails in both respects. Just my opinion though.


RE: Magical Mac
By KoolAidMan1 on 10/17/2009 1:11:06 AM , Rating: 2
The point is that if you are going to make a proper price comparison, you need to compare the same form factors. Compare ATX desktops with ATX desktops, ultraslims with ultraslims, all-in-ones with other all-in-ones, etc etc. The argument for or against form factors is another argument that isn't related to comparing prices.

Likewise, you don't compare an Inspiron or any other low end notebook with a well designed all-in-one. :)

I checked up on HP's site, btw, and their AIO's with the specs as close to each other as possible (same CPU, the GPU is a slightly slower 9300M), the price of their AIO was a difference of only $50 after a $400 instant rebate.

Again, I don't see where Apple is overcharging for the specific kinds of machines that they sell, at least in the mid-range and high end (the Mini on the other hand is a waste, expensive only because they made it so damn small).

FWIW, I use both a home built PC desktop (E8400 about to turn into an i7 860) and a 24" iMac. I got the iMac because I like using OS X, but also because I need a Mac for running Final Cut Studio. My prior FCS machine was a G4 tower from 2002, my first Mac and very expensive. Its replacement in late 2007 was the iMac. I have to say, its proven to be an exceptional value. Between the H-IPS LCD which is normally $1200 in the NEC 2490WUXi (I also own this, its the primary display on my PC and secondary display for my iMac), its horsepower, the silence (always a priority with my own PC builds), and its tiny footprint, I am very happy with it.

It is a great machine with a great display and I saved boatloads buying one instead of a Mac Pro with its expensive Xeons and FB-DIMMs that I totally don't need. I would never have dreamed that an all-in-one would be a suitable desktop, let alone a Final Cut Studio workstation, but the Core CPUs and Nvidia GPUs in them make them more than powerful enough to deal with whatever I throw at it.

They aren't for everybody but I'm very happy with mine.


RE: Magical Mac
By Alexstarfire on 10/17/2009 1:16:30 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks for reinforcing EXACTLY what I said.


RE: Magical Mac
By KoolAidMan1 on 10/17/2009 5:09:42 AM , Rating: 2
And thanks for agreeing with the argument I was putting forward in the first place. ;)


RE: Magical Mac
By hiscross on 10/15/2009 8:00:08 PM , Rating: 2
Actually yes. The magic is PC migration and it works just fine. As far as the flash bug (light bulb?) they already fixed it and with 10.6.2 ready to be released, that user data thing will taken care of. BTW, by default, Guest accounts are turn off so a user would have to activate it to lose data.


RE: Magical Mac
By Lerianis on 10/16/2009 5:09:29 AM , Rating: 2
Hit the nail on the head with the statements about reinstalling being JUST AS NECESSARY on a Mac as on a PC.... if not more-so.


RE: Magical Mac
By djc208 on 10/16/2009 1:55:42 PM , Rating: 2
There are two main types of people upgrading from Windows XP anyway. Those of us who kept XP on their home-built machines on purpose, and those that have computers purchased before Vista.

The first group isn't concerned with doing a wipe and re-install of their OS. I'm using it as an excuse to go to a SSD at the same time.

The second group will most likely just buy a new machine with Windows 7 pre-installed. In which case you would have to reinstall all your software anyway.

Even if I had Vista on my machine I'd probably do a clean install anyway. Fewer chances for problems and issues usually.


RE: Magical Mac
By pickymeek on 10/19/2009 1:59:51 PM , Rating: 2
um...yes.. that's exactly what happens. have you ever used a mac?


RE: Magical Mac
By Kaveh on 10/25/2009 11:43:37 AM , Rating: 2
If you could install all that programs on Mac!!!


By Bateluer on 10/15/2009 3:28:48 PM , Rating: 5
Probably by a 10,000 to 1 ratio in favor of Microsoft.




By scrapsma54 on 10/15/2009 3:32:43 PM , Rating: 2
As stated below its just apple ranting.


By Shig on 10/15/2009 3:41:36 PM , Rating: 1
"Mr. Schiller tells BusinessWeek, "I expect Snow Leopard will have an amazing upgrade rate -- and Windows 7 won't."

I expect this man was paid by Apple.


By Shig on 10/15/2009 3:42:23 PM , Rating: 2
Woops, mistyped something in my last post.

Meh nvm, get me out b4 the fanboi war starts.


By bighairycamel on 10/15/2009 3:51:32 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
He states, "Any user that reads all those steps is probably going to freak out. If you have to go through all that, why not just buy a Mac?"
This part gets me the most... so instead of paying a techie $200 to install it for you, or taking a couple of hours to do it yourself, why not spend $2000 on a new Mac that will have none of your apps or files either?


By Mitch101 on 10/15/2009 4:34:15 PM , Rating: 2
You can install Windows 7 on the Mac to fix that issue.


By Alexstarfire on 10/15/2009 10:31:13 PM , Rating: 3
Which defeats the purpose of switching OSes, doesn't it?


By weskurtz0081 on 10/15/2009 4:19:25 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is just ranting.


By R3T4rd on 10/16/2009 5:15:05 AM , Rating: 2
NOOOO!!

May the Computer Gods SMITE THEE!!!!


By weskurtz0081 on 10/15/2009 4:20:38 PM , Rating: 5
Really, people can't buy a Mac? I am pretty sure I have the choice to go buy a Mac don't I?


By Alexstarfire on 10/15/2009 4:33:54 PM , Rating: 3
And apparently we're all forced to purchase Microsoft's latest OS as well. Yea, never mind that a good majority of the population, including businesses, hasn't even upgraded off of XP yet. Yea, screw Microsoft for letting me have the option for staying on XP for so long.


By weskurtz0081 on 10/15/2009 4:57:14 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah, apparently not. I can go out and buy a Mac whenever I want, if I don't want Windows.


By R3T4rd on 10/16/2009 5:44:16 AM , Rating: 2
Pirks, I just have to say, you at least make more sense in your comments and arguments vs reader1 - even though I disagree with you all the time. And thats saying alot.


By fsardis on 10/16/2009 12:17:52 AM , Rating: 1
you must have been w4nking so hard all your life that cheese has started to grow in your brain.
last i checked, a crap product does not sell. if a product does not sell the monopoly will fall. i don't see Microsoft falling at all, especially where it matters most: businesses.
how about you quit underestimating the intelligence of the masses and realise that people can think and they would not be buying windows if it did not do what they wanted it to do.
OSX on the other hand is possibly the worst OS i have used since WinME (macbook pro owner). Safari crashes, Itunes crashes, MSN drops connections etc etc. It is the most unreliable piece of software I have used ever. Oh and following an upgrade to snow leopard, aMSN does not run, Mercury does not run, even their own god damn photobooth crashes unless you switch it to 32bit mode. Just works eh? Keep making cheese buddy.


By Meinolf on 10/15/2009 4:16:06 PM , Rating: 2
Love Apple but Come On New commercials please those are so dumb. Be more creative like you products


By dragunover on 10/15/2009 3:51:04 PM , Rating: 2
"Any user that reads all those steps is probably going to freak out. If you have to go through all that, why not just buy a Mac?"

If the user is running on an XP machine, we'll assume he doesn't warrant the cash for vista, let alone buying a completely new system. Macintosh computers are ridiculously expensive.

Furthermore, oh god, we "might" have three steps to installing windows 7. Many people really don't need to "backup" any data at all.




By weskurtz0081 on 10/15/2009 4:24:18 PM , Rating: 3
Depends on the customer.

Still, they are considerably more expensive than equally configured PC's.


By weskurtz0081 on 10/15/2009 5:01:18 PM , Rating: 2
There are some notebooks that are close to the same size and weight. The verdict is still out on safety until the release of Windows 7 though.


By weskurtz0081 on 10/15/2009 9:31:10 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't say 10-20% less is quite close enough to be said it's "close to the same price".

I also wouldn't say nothing has changed with Windows 7 unless you can back that up with some factual links. ;)


By Alexstarfire on 10/16/2009 7:26:17 AM , Rating: 2
It's ok, Snow Leopard is the same ole Mac OS. We're even.


By weskurtz0081 on 10/16/2009 9:18:48 AM , Rating: 1
Yeah, really. Most everything I have been reading suggests it will be better than Vista, and worth switching from XP. So, that tells me it's going to be a great OS.


By Pirks on 10/16/2009 1:47:39 PM , Rating: 2
New Windows that's better than old Windows is still good ol' Windows with more spitpolish. I thought you'd understand by now that MS can't do any radical earthshaking changes in Windows (like getting rid of stupid archaic registry and even more idiotic 1980s era drive letters, good gaawwd!) in order to not to alienate their old conservative customers (business ones), hence by definition Windows is always Windows. Same NT as 15 years ago but more evolved. Can do more but basic principles are the same. Trust me or not, I don't care. I got enough of my tech knowledge by reading stuff like Russinovich's blogs. If you read his posts you may agree with me, but you gotta read a lot and have patience, this is complex stuff. Good luck son :P


By weskurtz0081 on 10/16/2009 4:45:10 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe I you haven't said it before, or maybe you have, so I will just act like this is a first. If there is one thing that really ticks me off, it's when someone says something that sounds like they think they are above me. Like, someone that isn't my mother or father calling me son.

I can handle the analogies and the deflecting topics, but please, do NOT call me son.


By mcnabney on 10/15/2009 5:39:56 PM , Rating: 2
The end of XP and wide adoption of MSE is going to eliminate the virus/malware risk of PCs.

I never really understood the fear of malware. Only idiots who execute code downloaded from Warez sites or BT have anything to really worry about.


By Omega215D on 10/15/2009 4:53:49 PM , Rating: 2
To be fair those cheap OEM desktops are subsidized by the garbage trial software that comes installed which also helps slow down the system in which idiots will blame that on MS rather than the OEM they bought it from.

I use both my Macbook and my DIY Vista computer equally and find that both have their issues and strengths.


By weskurtz0081 on 10/15/2009 5:00:18 PM , Rating: 3
Actually, I have purchased some pretty darn good HP machines that were under $300, no bloatware to speak of, X2 2.6Ghz, 1-2GB memory, 80GB HDD etc. Pretty basic computer, but it came with XP Pro and Vista Business, and was plenty fast for the office. Overall, they have been pretty good machines.


mac continues its lies in commercials
By nascar246788 on 10/15/2009 4:39:27 PM , Rating: 4
So these apple commercials still amaze how they can take advantage of people and are so arrogant.

The long arduous process of upgrading to windows xp and win 7.

First thing, win 7 is a completely new os, it is not some update to windows xp. Getting win 7 is liking getting a new mac. So in that case when someone gets a new mac, everything they install after they bought their old one magically appears? Come on now.

Second, someone who is smart will have all their stuff backed up already. I have multiple backups of my most important things because we all know hard drives can die with little warning.

Also, the article talks about windows susceptible to viruses. Well, it is because windows has a big market share, why go through effort to write a virus to attack a smaller group of people, when you can infect computers that companies use.

Also, so you can either get a friend that has knowledge to install win 7 for you or someone else who knows what they are doing for a cost that is much less than a mac. So freaking out about the install process and buying a new mac just seems stupid.




RE: mac continues its lies in commercials
By mydogfarted on 10/15/2009 4:50:52 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
So in that case when someone gets a new mac, everything they install after they bought their old one magically appears? Come on now.


It actually is almost that simple. All Macs come with Migration Assistant. You connect your Macs via a FW cable, boot one in Target Mode, boot the other normally and run the app. It moves all your data, programs and user accounts. With Windows, you have to buy a 3rd party app and either a special USB cable, or hook them both to your router/switch if you have a multiport router, or connect them to the network via wireless.


RE: mac continues its lies in commercials
By fsardis on 10/16/2009 12:27:29 AM , Rating: 2
windows has its own migration assistant now. i cannot remember if xp had it but vista and 7 both have it and it is done over the network. even a sh!t-chucking, chicken-brain, mac-tard can do it in minutes. yes they connect over the network, where exactly is the problem with that? why do i have to pay apple to get a firewire cable just to migrate my profile?


By PitViper007 on 10/16/2009 3:57:07 PM , Rating: 2
Yes XP had the built in "Files and Settings Transfer Wizard" as it is called. I'm not sure if it was the first or if ME was, but that's neither here nor there. I've used it in several instances, both over a network and with a thumb drive. BOTH ways work decently and make for a smooth transition from one computer to another.


By Gio6518 on 10/15/2009 5:01:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also, the article talks about windows susceptible to viruses. Well, it is because windows has a big market share, why go through effort to write a virus to attack a smaller group of people, when you can infect computers that companies use.


pretty much, it would be the equilivant of osama bin laden blowing up an abandoned famhouse in the middle of no-where kansas........wouldnt effect anyone


Apple beggingMS to stop??
By The0ne on 10/15/2009 5:27:27 PM , Rating: 5
Was it me or didn't Apple "beg" MS to stop slandering them with the commercials? So now they want to start it up again? This is way too funny. Next step is to beg on their knees and grovel at the same time.

Personally, I think this time MS should take out their shotgun and pull the trigger, splattering the Apple brains all over the place. Poetic!




RE: Apple beggingMS to stop??
By cmontyburns on 10/15/2009 7:38:19 PM , Rating: 2
Was it me or didn't Apple "beg" MS to stop slandering them with the commercials? So now they want to start it up again?

They should pay Rick Flair to do the begging for them.. then when the ref is not looking, do the equalizer move.

(Can somebody change the article pic above to match this?)


RE: Apple beggingMS to stop??
By fleas2016 on 10/16/2009 12:52:08 AM , Rating: 2
i couldn't agree more. but Microsoft might get sued for monopolistic reasons. i know the EC would love that though. i wouldn't let them as it might increase the price of Win 7 here in the EU.


Never enough...
By eldardude on 10/15/2009 6:52:32 PM , Rating: 3
I think people are running out of votes to downrate Pirks.




RE: Never enough...
By Pirks on 10/15/2009 7:53:20 PM , Rating: 2
Blame reader1 :P


RE: Never enough...
By R3T4rd on 10/16/2009 5:48:45 AM , Rating: 2
Got a good laugh out of that comment. You are not bad Pirks...you were just born..err I mean drawn that way.


RE: Never enough...
By R3T4rd on 10/16/2009 5:51:16 AM , Rating: 2
And I thought Pirks was bad. reader1 has pirks beaten by a landslide.


Why not get a Mac? Well...
By Farfignewton on 10/15/2009 4:57:40 PM , Rating: 3
1. None of them come with a big enough hard drive for my po... ahem... personal media collection.

2. Why would I throw out a computer that I picked every last part of to avoid an O.S. upgrade?

3. If I was going to get another computer, why wouldn't I just get a Win7 PC?

4. The programs I have amassed over 12 years of PC ownership all say "windows".

5. I've never seen Bill in a turtleneck.

Those are just my personal reasons, your mileage may vary.




RE: Why not get a Mac? Well...
By Pirks on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Why not get a Mac? Well...
By foolsgambit11 on 10/15/2009 6:39:47 PM , Rating: 2
in re:

1. Why bother? He can get what he wants without an unapproved upgrade.

2. Great idea, if he has to buy a new computer at all.

3. As opposed to a PC, where you can use just one button to get everything done, too, and which connects to your iPod/iPhone in the exact same manner. I'll grant you the malware issue, with reservations based on my personal experience of great protection using Win6.x OSes.

4. Why bother to learn OSX and dual boot to accomplish what you could do with just one OS - Windows 7 (which he will have to learn, but which is closer to XP than OSX is).

5. No comment.


RE: Why not get a Mac? Well...
By Pirks on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Why not get a Mac? Well...
By Alexstarfire on 10/16/2009 8:24:52 PM , Rating: 1
2. Well, I haven't bought a completely new computer in years, like about 7 now I believe. I just upgrade the components as I see fit. Biggest change I've done is a CPU/Motherboard/RAM combo. Can't do that with a Mac, even if most will never upgrade their computer like I do.

4. I think you meant to say, why bother learning to be smart when you could take the easy and more costly way out. Best anti-virus and anti-malware protection on the planet is the human being. Works across all OSes and devices too.


RE: Why not get a Mac? Well...
By Pirks on 10/16/2009 9:10:46 PM , Rating: 1
You're a techie and you build PCs, consumers are mostly not techies and do not build 'em, they buy OEM.

Yeah, for some people it's easier to pay extra money and forget about malware instead of learning tricks of Windows malware self-defence.


RE: Why not get a Mac? Well...
By Alexstarfire on 10/17/2009 12:11:08 AM , Rating: 2
I don't consider using logic a trick, but ok.

I do realize what you are saying though. I was merely pointing out that what you say isn't true 100% of the time.


By Director on 10/15/2009 4:30:17 PM , Rating: 3
""Any user that reads all those steps is probably going to freak out. If you have to go through all that, why not just buy a Mac?"

...and then reinstall and setup everything on THAT instead?

After you repurchase all of your apps in mac format?

No thanks.




By Looey on 10/15/2009 4:41:23 PM , Rating: 2
If you're running Windows XP you have to do a clean install but not from Vista.

Windows 7 doesn't delete all of your data because you log in as a guest like Snow Leopard does. That's a real killer.

Apple missed the boat many years ago when they first brought out the McIntosh. I worked at a huge company when the PC craze hit. We looked at the Mac but went with the other way due to the hardware repairs. You could buy parts and make repairs with generic parts. You could also buy the machines from many different vendors. Who wants to be tied to one vendor who could hold you hostage the way IBM has done with the mainframe. No thanks.


Zune
By jnolen on 10/15/09, Rating: 0
RE: Zune
By thekdub on 10/16/2009 12:39:40 AM , Rating: 5
Yeah, I heard syncing iPods with the Zune software was pretty difficult compared to syncing with iTunes. Microsoft really needs to fix the compatibility issues...

[/sarcasm]


Poor PC
By jahwarrior on 10/15/2009 3:53:04 PM , Rating: 2
PC: "For the same price as your MAC book pro I can get a Notebook, Netbook and desktop PC".

MAC: (condescending) your PC doesn't have shiny chrome and it doesn’t have to supplement these stupid commercials….poor PC




RE: Poor PC
By adiposity on 10/15/2009 4:01:26 PM , Rating: 2
I hope you aren't implying Microsoft or PC manufacturers don't pass along the cost of their advertising to the public...


By SiliconAddict on 10/16/2009 12:30:18 AM , Rating: 4
Apple can go frack themselves.




Sick of it
By damianrobertjones on 10/16/2009 3:37:17 AM , Rating: 2
I recall sitting in the cinema, waiting for a film to start, when an apple advert hit the screen.

I watched as Apple basically stated that I'm a geek, sad, lonely, with a really bad haircut, etc. Apple insulted me.

So.. apple basically stated the above and I'm supposed to dump everything to buy a Mac. once there, I'd be cool and everyone would like me. What a load of rubbish.

Vanity, the 'in thing'. Those adverts were basically the most awful things ever to hit and for some reason, the idiotic people fell for it. I've nothing wrong with long time Mac owners as they probably use WIndows and OSX, but the new types really get on my nerves.

Each thread in a forum, where a person posts a problem, "Get a mac!". Oh, really? Will a mac solve all problems? No. People install iTunes and then wonder why they cannot sync their music onto a second pc without resorting to 'other means'. What about the fact that older mac owners, who paid thousands for their Macs cannot upgrade to the latest version of OSX? Where are the people that had to pay MORE than £29 for the OSX upgrade?

WHat I'm basically saying is this: If you use apple products, then you probably know that they're not perfect and never will and are probably of sound mind. If you use apple products and are BLIND, then you deserve what you get.

It's on it's way, it is, the realisation that macs are the same as pcs. At least Microsft's adverts were more or less above board and didn't INSULT you.




RE: Sick of it
By KoolAidMan1 on 10/16/2009 3:52:39 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I've nothing wrong with long time Mac owners as they probably use WIndows and OSX, but the new types really get on my nerves.


Haha, totally. A "born again" or convert is going to be the most annoying and overzealous member of any group.


what good are commercials
By Visual on 10/16/2009 5:33:46 AM , Rating: 2
if apple want me to get a mac, they should release some decent product and on a normal price too... just doing more commercials is not gonna help any.

i have been wanting to get a mac mini for years now. and although way overdue, they finally released one with a decent gpu with the last update. nowadays it's again starting to fall behind... but i do like it as a product. the small form factor is really unique.

the price however is just ridiculous. the price conversion for my country is even more so. instead of buying here, it would be cheaper for me to fly to the states and buy one there, and get a good vacation with it as well. wtf is wrong with apple to do this?




RE: what good are commercials
By Pirks on 10/16/2009 2:30:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
if apple want me to get a mac
That's a big "if" :)


Complex
By rburnham on 10/16/2009 10:36:17 AM , Rating: 4
I really am getting tired of Apple fans. I use a Mac at work and a Windows 7 PC at home. Yes, Macs are more stable but that's because they do far less. They simply do not have the software library that Windows does. Like anything else, the more complicated you make something, the more likely it will break down.




Don't throw stones
By psych2l on 10/15/2009 4:58:48 PM , Rating: 3
This is pretty ironic when logging into guest accounts on snow leopard deletes your files on your main account, or that there isn't even a viable upgrade path for 3+ year old macbooks...




When installing a service pack...
By HrilL on 10/15/2009 6:08:20 PM , Rating: 3
You don't need to backup everything and reformat and install all your programs again. Snow leopard is a damn service pack that Apple is charging people for. Windows service packs are free and don't require the use to do all those steps either.

Windows 7 is a brand new OS its not a service pack and it is a completely different code base then XP is. The guys whole argument is retarded to begin with.

New OS vs Service Pack. Doesn't surprise me Apple employees don't know the difference.




By VooDooAddict on 10/15/2009 8:02:05 PM , Rating: 3
Apple is attacking the Win 7 upgrade process on a Windows XP system? Are they saying that OS X 10.1.5 "Puma" could go right to 10.6.1 "Snow Leopard" without jumping through hoops? ... Nope. The $29 "Snow Leopard requires 10.5 already be installed. And if you have 10.4 then you need to buy a $169 Box set. (Don't even ask about upgrading from earlier than 10.4.) You can see Apple's own site to verify...

http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html
http://www.apple.com/macboxset/requirements.html

I'm quite amused by this.

Apple bitched and moaned about prices being a few weeks out of date in a commercial... now they are are making comparisons against something from 2001.

I almost hope that Apple makes a commercial like this... so Microsoft can hit back hard.




Apple is annoying.
By PascalT on 10/16/2009 11:22:24 AM , Rating: 3
Windows 7 is a wonderful OS and personally I wouldn't pay 3x the cost of a PC just to get a shiny plastic casing.

There's just no reason to pay huge markup just to get an Apple anymore. Microsoft has finally caught up with OSX with Vista and now Windows 7.

The constant dirty ads and accusations/lawsuits by Apple have completely turned me off of all their products. I've bought 3 ipods before but I will look to another company next time.




Why get mac if it costs more?
By TechPhreak on 10/15/2009 3:48:39 PM , Rating: 2
Flaw in his logic here.

Now the PC user has to learn MAC, and hopefully all of his personal stuff & needs in MAC.




Suggested MS commercial
By SublimeSimplicity on 10/15/2009 4:35:24 PM , Rating: 2
*Counting money in piles*

Mac: Advertising, advertising, advertising, fix security holes. Advertising, advertising, advertising, fix security holes.

PC: Anyone else getting a DejaVu vibe here?




Pfft
By Sunburn74 on 10/15/2009 5:13:31 PM , Rating: 2
So let me get this straight: if you're not clever enough with your pc to be able to do a backup and subsequent OS install, the solution is not to spend 20mins on the internet researching the proper steps to do an easy install but instead to buy an expensive mac and not do a backup at all? or Research how to do a backup, say F*** it and switch to a mac anyway? Buy a mac and bring your old pc in to the mac store where you pay a mac store employee to do the switch for you (as advertised in a previous mac ad)?

I really don't know how mac passes itself off as computing for the people if their solution to the OS install problem is one of the above. Appalling really...




Such delicious irony
By sinclaj1 on 10/15/2009 6:03:59 PM , Rating: 2
Apple, claiming Microsoft is pushing "more of the same", is hoping to lure more customers by providing commercials and a piddly OS update that are....wait for it...."more of the same".

Oh those wascally wabbits...




I can dream....
By eldardude on 10/15/2009 6:57:53 PM , Rating: 2
I'm just waiting for the day when Steve Jobs admits he has been using Windows all this time.




By Belard on 10/16/2009 12:16:09 AM , Rating: 2
This is one of the best videos of Mac Guy, and he's actually dressed up a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMSQppv5CrI

Should be aired primed time :)




Bad math, Schiller
By thekdub on 10/16/2009 12:55:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
"Any user that reads all those steps is probably going to freak out. If you have to go through all that, why not just buy a Mac?"

Because I can spend $30 on a student version of Windows 7, install it on my laptop, and continue to use my already-purchased software.

Or I could spend roughly $2300 on a Macbook Pro configured to my tastes, and then spend even more money re-buying all the software that isn't Mac-compatible.

Not to mention that even if my software was compatible, I would still have to transfer all of that to the Mac, as well as my music, pictures, and other documents. Which kind of defeats the purpose, when thats the exact same thing I have to do with Windows 7 but for $2270 less.




The Quote at the bottom was..
By eddieroolz on 10/16/2009 1:01:32 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
“And I don't know why [Apple is] acting like it’s superior. I don't even get it. What are they trying to say?” -- Bill Gates on the Mac ads


Coincidence?




Question
By Comdrpopnfresh on 10/16/2009 6:26:20 AM , Rating: 2
Back in the summer, some security firm or conference rated win7 more secure than, OSX (I believe it was). Does that still stand?




2 Things
By Comdrpopnfresh on 10/16/2009 7:41:52 AM , Rating: 2
First:
"The ads will portray the new OS as ineffectual and boast of Macs' superiority."
-If that is a regurg of PR- apple has a robot doing that job. Or, it's just businessweek.

Second: The XP->7 install thing
-How compatible are the bulk of xp programs on 7? Feel like this is only a sticking point if you dig through technical papers, instead of viewing reality. I'd like to see the fraction of XP users that didn't switch to vista (private users; commercial uses aside), and then poll amongst them to see who's going to buy a new computer (they've likely always bought).
-I'll agree there was some room to be fancy and novel for this circumstance: Have the upgrade disc offer to set a disk partition or use another storage device to do the backup of XP, then at first boot offer to emulate that install as a VHD for XP mode- emulating the XP core files and registry entries specific to that install. I bet the number of private users in this boat is relatively small. Virtualization has become so accessible to users now, that anyone who doesn't need there XP-bakcup training wheels running virtualized to access the functionality they had, without rebooting, is likely to leave the backup untouched until they need a document for media file.




Fud?
By Silver2k7 on 10/16/2009 5:00:35 PM , Rating: 2
"Apple Ready to Counter Windows 7 Launch with New "Get a Mac" Commercials"

counter, what does the Apple brand even have to do with a PC OS.. It's a Mac it has maybe 5% of the market.. a small slice.. whats with the fud trying to make it seem like they are even competing ?




Mac. Nobody gives a ______.
By zero2dash on 10/21/2009 1:56:59 PM , Rating: 2
Yet another perfect opportunity to break this gem out.

http://www.cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20060513




Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Pirks on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By nikon133 on 10/15/2009 4:43:21 PM , Rating: 2
Decent argument for people to drop their iPods and iPhones and do Zune HD, or Zen... and Android phone :)


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Pirks on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Omega215D on 10/15/2009 4:56:46 PM , Rating: 3
After dealing with shorter battery life from using the iPhone as both a phone and MP3 player I'd rather have the two devices separately. That way the phone just stays in my pocket sipping power and my Cowon S9 (soon to be Zune HD) can take the blow with my entertainment needs.


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Pirks on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Ard on 10/15/2009 7:00:10 PM , Rating: 2
Having read everything, I only have one thing to say:

You're a troll and an ass.


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Pirks on 10/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By fsardis on 10/16/2009 12:40:13 AM , Rating: 2
6


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Pirks on 10/16/09, Rating: -1
RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Alexstarfire on 10/15/2009 10:33:46 PM , Rating: 2
Having to buy an extra battery just to get decent battery life out of a device isn't something most people are going to want to do, especially at $80.


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Pirks on 10/16/09, Rating: -1
RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Alexstarfire on 10/16/2009 8:22:16 AM , Rating: 2
Laptops are more expensive?

Seriously, what is the purpose of spending nearly 50% the cost of your phone just to get the battery life of other smartphones?


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Pirks on 10/16/2009 2:06:57 PM , Rating: 2
Laptops are "more expensive" than $765 unlocked contract free iPhone on ebay? Are you trying to make a joke? Come on man, be realistic, what are you smoking today? Is $765 not a decent laptop price these days, eh?
quote:
spending nearly 50% the cost of your phone
Hahaha, you WISH it were 50% :))) Heheheee, maybe you should visit ebay and check REAL WORLD iPhone prices? :P :P hahahaha


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/16/2009 7:54:57 PM , Rating: 2
/me rolls eyes


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Pirks on 10/16/2009 2:34:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Laptops are more expensive?
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Apple-IPHONE-3GS-3G-S-32GB...

Here's a lesson in basics for you. See any difference in price with $765 laptop? No? Then why are you posting silly things here? ;-)


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/16/2009 7:55:31 PM , Rating: 2
/me rolls eyes again


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Pirks on 10/16/2009 9:28:59 PM , Rating: 2
need a sticky tape to keep 'em from falling out from rolling too much eh? ;)))


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Alexstarfire on 10/16/2009 8:12:58 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, please compare the highest priced eBay sale price for an unlocked 32GB iPhone against one of the lowest prices for a laptop. That makes a whole lot of sense. I'm sure I could probably go on eBay and find a $3K-$4K laptop, but is that going to change the fact that you can get the iPhone for $199 from AT&T? No. Is it going to change the fact that battery life is sub-par on the latest iPhone and firmware? No. Is it going to change the fact that the extra battery is going to cost you $80 + either shipping or sales tax? No.

Can we get a vote going on Pirks? I'd like to nominate Pirks for the Cherry Picking award. All those in favor say "AYE!"


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Pirks on 10/16/2009 8:57:42 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
you can get the iPhone for $199 from AT&T
Contract will cost you another $2000 or so in plan fees, so that's like 3 times more expensive as your typical laptop. Throw your argument out of the window now, it doesn't work since you tried to hide plan fees that accumulate quickly.

Or compare $80 for the battery against $2000 for iPhone PLUS PLAN FEES, i.e. the TOTAL PRICE. Afraid to compare this way? I thought so :)


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Alexstarfire on 10/17/2009 12:19:33 AM , Rating: 1
Jesus, by your logic phones could very well be the most expensive thing people own outside of a car and/or house. If you've had the same phone for 4 years are you just going to add up all the monthly fees? Course then you'd have to go look and see what you've purchased for the laptop, which should be mostly software.

But if you insist that the my using the contract price isn't fair then it's, what, $400 to get the iPhone without a contract? Still doesn't compare to a laptop. Though if you think an iPhone is basically a laptop then I suppose you deserve to have shitty battery life out of it.


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Pirks on 10/17/2009 12:28:40 PM , Rating: 2
Anyway, $80 is one monthly plan fee, so your claims about price go bye bye


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Alexstarfire on 10/17/2009 12:58:07 PM , Rating: 2
Lol, I suppose you can afford everything in the world then if price is never a factor.


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Pirks on 10/18/2009 3:59:56 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, if you can afford $80 a month for your phone, you can DEFINITELY afford $80 for extra battery.


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Alexstarfire on 10/19/2009 1:52:39 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think that's the point, but whatever.


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Helbore on 10/16/2009 12:03:10 PM , Rating: 2
Steve Jobs is NOT smart if he uses the fact that Quicktime and iTunes work better on the Mac than Windows. Being that Apple is responsible for the QT/iT software, he is only rubbishing his own company's inability to write decent cross-platform software.

That doesn't make him smart - it makes morons of the people who fall for such guff.


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Pirks on 10/16/2009 2:39:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That doesn't make him smart - it makes morons of the people who fall for such guff
This is exactly the reason why he's so smart. He knows that most people are morons by nature and would blame MS for everything, and he cleverly exploits this fact in his ads. Got it now?


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Silver2k7 on 10/17/2009 2:52:43 AM , Rating: 2
quicktime works decently, but the only reason for
installing it really is apple.com/trailers

thats the only reason for me anyway.
atleast the format is good for streaming video.

but not having to install a separate program for
just another video format would be preferable.


RE: Jobs is smart mudafuka
By Alexstarfire on 10/17/2009 4:11:52 AM , Rating: 2
QT Alternative Lite is fantastic, same with Real Alternative. Use them for internet vids. VLC player for everything else.


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