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Apple CEO Steve Jobs holds a custom Intel Core 2 Duo processor used in the MacBook Air  (Source: Reuters)
It seems a bad move to bet against Apple when it comes to financial outlooks

Never one to keep silent of its accomplishments, Apple was quick to proclaim on Wednesday its resounding Q2 success, amid signs of a slowing consumer economy.  Analysts predicted early this year that Apple might struggle due to rising costs of flash memory, and perhaps unwillingness from consumers to pay $200+ for a piece of Apple electronics.  Unfortunately for Apple's detractors, this does not appear to be happening.

After a strong Q4 2007, and a strong Q1 2008, Apple unsurprisingly posted a stronger than ever Q2 2008.  Apple saw revenue rise from $5.26B USD in Q2 2007 to $7.51B USD in Q2 2008.  Similarly, net quarterly profit rose from $770M USD in Q2 2007 ($0.87 per diluted share) to $1.05B USD in Q2 2008 ($1.16 per diluted share).  This all bodes very well for Apple's stock shareholders.

The gross margin dropped from 35.1 percent in Q2 2007 to 32.9 percent in Q2 2008.  This was the only major negative in the report, and perhaps a sign that rising flash costs are indeed catching up to Apple.  While this may be a sign of trouble to come, Apple showed little signs of it in Q2 2008. 

A large part of Apple's gains were due to the popularity of its Mac computers, particularly the ultra-slim MacBook Air.  Apple reported sales of 2,289,000 Macintosh computers in the quarter.  This reflects a 51 percent unit growth and 54 percent revenue growth over Q2 2007. 

The company continues to do well with its iPods and iPhone, but saw largely stagnant growth.  Apple sold 10,644,000 iPods over the quarter, up 1 percent in units from last year, and 8 percent in revenue.  It sold a modest 1.7 million iPhones during the quarter.

Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO, was quick to toot his company's own horn upon the news of the success.  He stated, "We’re delighted to report 43 percent revenue growth and the strongest March quarter revenue and earnings in Apple’s history.  With over $17 billion in revenue for the first half of our fiscal year, we have strong momentum to launch some terrific new products in the coming quarters."

Chiming in was Peter Oppenheimer, Apple’s CFO, who offered more glowing comments.  Oppenheimer noted, "We’re thrilled to have generated $4 billion in cash flow from operations in the first half of fiscal 2008, yielding an ending cash balance of $19.4 billion.  Looking ahead to the third quarter of fiscal 2008, we expect revenue of about $7.2 billion and earnings per diluted share of about $1.00."

Apple has seen strong growth in the PC industry and may soon launch its new 3G iPhone.  However, the company has been hurt by an embarrassing campaign against the city of New York and its malware-like distribution attempts of Safari, which led to the company unwittingly encouraging the massive violation of its own EULA.



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Of course
By rdeegvainl on 4/24/2008 11:16:20 AM , Rating: 3
Once my tv told me my yoga time would be messed up if I stayed with pc, instead of switching to mac, I went out and bought 3.




RE: Of course
By JasonMick (blog) on 4/24/2008 11:24:23 AM , Rating: 3
That is simply not enough. You will not be cool until you start buying turtle necks, new balance, American Apparel long sleeve shirts (fair trade), and stone washed (fair trade jeans).

http://www.techdigest.tv/2007/10/how_to_dress_li.h...


RE: Of course
By crimson117 on 4/24/2008 11:46:11 AM , Rating: 5
To be fair, you only need one black turtleneck and one pair of jeans.


RE: Of course
By daftrok on 4/24/2008 2:08:06 PM , Rating: 5
You also need to spend three grand on a laptop and go to Starbucks to pretend you're doing something cool like a family collage or editing a movie when in fact you're on Facebook.


RE: Of course
By MrDiSante on 4/24/2008 7:05:59 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry to topic-steal, but did anyone else notice how the article states that :
quote:
A large part of Apple's gains were due to the popularity of its Mac computers, particularly the ultra-slim MacBook Air. Apple reported sales of 2,289,000 Macintosh computers in the quarter.

however not a single MacBook Air number is given? I've not read one anywhere else either. Something tells me that if the MacBook Air were successful, Apple would be trumpeting the numbers for the world to hear.

At any rate: I think it's bending the facts at the very least to claim that Apple's success was particularly due to the Air, as there is NO evidence given nor seen. I'd even venture so far as to say that the MacBook Air sold poorly (judging by Apple's silence), as expected, because it is a useless and overpriced gimmick.

For the rest of it - congratulations Apple.


RE: Of course
By FITCamaro on 4/24/2008 12:33:55 PM , Rating: 3
I am seriously getting sick of Mac commercials. But bravo to them for exploiting the sheople mentality. I guess it doesn't matter that they're downright lying now as well. I wonder how long before Microsoft fights back in the ad space.

I suggest a commercial with those two guys where the skinny guy starts harping about iPhoto and the fat guy interupts him with "Whats that your OS got hacked in minutes and it took two days and a 3rd party exploit for Vista?........Your computers cost 2-3x as much as equivalent PCs?........You charge your customers for the equivalent of service packs that I give away for free?.....No comment? Thats what I thought b*tch"


RE: Of course
By Enigmatic on 4/24/2008 1:21:35 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't say they cost 2-3x as much. Macs are fairly competitive price-wise on release, though Apple tends to update their own specs rather infrequently. So value decreases if they haven't been updated in a few months.

I really like the Mac OS, but outside of looks I'm less than enthusiastic about the hardware itself. I've owned my MacBook for a year and have had a hard drive failure and LCD flickering issues (maybe just an isolated incident). But since I've given up PC Gaming, Ubuntu and OSX have seemingly become my operating systems of choice.


RE: Of course
By Reclaimer77 on 4/24/2008 1:54:47 PM , Rating: 3
Five thousand dollars for a Mac thats on par with a PC of the same specs. And thats without monitor. And you think thats competitive ??


RE: Of course
By Enigmatic on 4/24/2008 2:43:59 PM , Rating: 5
Well you don't mention how much the PC is so I couldn't say (if the PC was $5500 then the Mac would be competitive, wouldn't it?). For example, I]if you compare a a base MacBook to a Dell XPS 1330 (a good Windows laptop), then I would say the Mac is fairly competitive . Not a better value necessarily, but competitive nonetheless.

MacBook Specs | Dell Specs
13.3" Screen | 13.3" Screen
2.1 ghz Core 2 Duo | 1.83 ghz Core 2 Duo
1 GB ram | 3 GB ram
120 GB hard drive | 250 gb hard drive
$1149 CDN | $1199 CDN

(note: specs/prices off of futureshop website)

Well that looks fairly competitive. Considering that processor upgrades are much more expensive than either hard drives or ram, they seem about equivalent price-wise (all other specs are similar enough I didn't mention them, ie: screen res, dvdburner, webcame, etc.). I assume you're referring to a Mac Pro, which was competitive price-wise on release (as I mentioned is common with Apple products). But since the video card has become quite outdated (correct me if I'm mistaken) it isn't a good value anymore (which is also something I mentioned about Apple products). I didn't incorporate things like iLife into relative value since that's up the consumer to decide.

So I think my point stands, when Apple products are released and when there specs are updated they are fairly competitive. Otherwise, they often aren't.


RE: Of course
By FITCamaro on 4/24/2008 3:03:21 PM , Rating: 1
Ok yes processor upgrades are expensive. But which hardware do you think is more capable? The system with the slightly faster processor? Or the system with 3 times the memory and 2x the hard drive space? Yes RAM is cheap, but often times you can't even upgrade the Mac.

And lets look at desktops. An iMac starts at $1200 for a 2Ghz Core 2, 1GB RAM, a 250GB hard drive, an 8x DVD burner, and an HD2400 128MB in a 20" screen. No ability to upgrade either. That hardware is worth about $450 in a nice looking ATX case, the screen is another $200 tops, good keyboard and mouse $50, and XP or Vista is another $110-150. So $850 tops. I wouldn't call a $350, hell lets say $300, difference the same. And heck most people already have a monitor to use so you can almost knock that cost off.


RE: Of course
By FITCamaro on 4/24/2008 3:07:30 PM , Rating: 2
And hell the top iMac goes for $2250 and sports a paltry 2.8GHz C2D, 2GB of RAM, a 500GB hard drive, an 8x DVD burner, and a 256MB HD2600 Pro in a 24" screen.

For $2200 I can have a top of the line system with that big a screen. Ridiculous.

And on their MacBook line, they want $200 for an upgrade from a 160GB hard drive to a 250GB drive and black coloring.


RE: Of course
By DASQ on 4/24/2008 3:19:14 PM , Rating: 2
You'll probably notice that the low-end Mac's are a lot more competitive than their mid-range or high end models (which are truly and overwhelmingly less cost effective than a similar PC).

It's a good pricing model I suppose, lure in buyers with marginal price increased, sugared and baffled up with words like 'Bundled Software!' that most people don't ever use (or use once). Seriously. iLife. Plenty of free programs on the internet that can do that and more on a PC.


RE: Of course
By Enigmatic on 4/24/2008 4:21:21 PM , Rating: 5
Yes for $2200 you can have a good system with a large screen. However, I dare you build that same system using only laptop components and integrate it into a chassis combining the LCD. When you put it into that perspective, The iMac is competitive with similar integrated systems offered by Sony (the Vaio LT series comes to mind) and Dell (XPS One).

Macs obviously don't cater to do-it-yourself system builders, scouring the internet for parts and piecing your system together is often cheaper. But obviously, Apple isn't targeting that crowd. I'm not trying to say that Macs are great and almighty, because there not. You pay a premium for design and looks. You see the same when you look at Sony products or the Dell XPS line or even higher-end HP offerings. Personally, I think Apple is trying to target the guy who wants a stylish yet functional computer. So for the guy comparing the Sony VAIO for example and a Mac. The Mac will often be competitive. For a guy who wants to build his own gaming PC piece-by-piece, the Mac will be utterly worthless and ridiculously overpriced to him.

Plus, if you prefer the Mac OS. You don't really have a choice anyways.

(Note: I wouldn't consider a 2.8 ghz C2D paltry by any standards).


RE: Of course
By Ringold on 4/24/2008 5:44:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
However, I dare you build that same system using only laptop components and integrate it into a chassis combining the LCD.


In other words; "I'm willing to pay for pure style" and "I don't mind almost zero upgrade headroom."

As long as Mac zealots are honest in that they don't mind getting ripped off purely from a price/performance ratio perspective, I'm fine. Lets just not pretend there is any real competition on price/performance, though. Style is purely subjective.


RE: Of course
By Ringold on 4/24/2008 5:47:32 PM , Rating: 2
I'll carefuly add that I didn't mean to single you, enig, out as a zealot. But they're out there, and would try to argue that.


RE: Of course
By Enigmatic on 4/24/2008 6:12:15 PM , Rating: 3
There are Mac zealots true enough, though I would hardly consider myself one of them (out of all the computers I've ever owned, the only Mac I have is a base white MacBook from a year ago). I think most Mac buyers are bought in by the slick advertising and general design of their products rather than being true Steve Jobs die hards.

My statement was comparing the iMac price/performance to similarly equipped all-in-one machines like the VAIO LT series and the XPS One. I don't think you're paying extra only for subjective design in these cases however. Since there are practical purposes like less wire-clutter and space savings. And these computers likely use laptop components which also adds to the increased price. But generally, the MacBook is not bad price/performance if you buy it when there is a spec refresh. And even the Mac Pro was decent for price/performance upon release (though that doesn't hold up so much now).

I understand what you're saying but I've just noticed that Apple computer prices are not bad when there just released and when they have a spec refresh. Otherwise, there value is severely diminished by infrequent spec refreshes and stringency in selecting specific parts.


RE: Of course
By AntiV6 on 4/24/2008 6:05:17 PM , Rating: 2
Just ordered my M1530 yesterday actually for $1507.07 shipped. Stackable coupons rule!

- T9300
- 4 Gigs of RAM
- 320 Gig HDD
- Intel Draft N card and Bluetooth
- 8600M GT
- 1440x900 LED Backlit screen
- 3 year accidental warranty with Lojack(they were free)

And the deal, which expires the 30th:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=2...

Can you build a comparable Macbook for the same amount? :)


RE: Of course
By Omega215D on 4/25/2008 1:29:28 AM , Rating: 2
I thought the same way but then when I got my MacBook I found that the battery life and form is better than the Dell and HP my family got. I was seriously considering a Dell with a 8400M GS.

Their notebooks cannot last past 2.5 hours with the regular battery and their machines get wider towards the back which is no good for placing it in a backpack with textbooks (to me anyway). Not all Mac users are clueless.

Saying that I did wish I paid a little less than $900.


RE: Of course
By Reclaimer77 on 4/24/2008 4:12:21 PM , Rating: 2
Why are you using a MacBook vs Dell example ? Because thats the most favorable one, thats why. I was talking about desktop system, not laptops, and I think you know it. Last time I checked you didn't hook monitors up to laptops.

I see your point about the lower to mid end stuff. But when you said Apples pricing was competitive to the PC market, I'm sorry, you just have to get called out on that. Thats just not true.


RE: Of course
By Enigmatic on 4/24/2008 4:29:22 PM , Rating: 3
I just chose what is likely the most popular Apple computer and compared to a well-reviewed and well-priced Windows equivalent.

I've been repeatedly saying Macs are competitive under certain scenarios. When there products are just released and when they have a refresh of the specs. That doesn't happen very often. So most of the time they aren't competitive. You're misconstruing what I'm saying here. When the Mac Pro was just released it was cheaper than a similar-spec Dell (I think DailyTech had an article about this). And that's the highest-end Mac. But now, it isn't competitive. That's my point. I think most people are missing what I'm saying.


RE: Of course
By DASQ on 4/24/2008 6:46:46 PM , Rating: 2
Not to mention Dell's, at regular pricing, are overpriced. The only time I would touch a Dell is with a whole slew of discounts, freebies, bags, printers, etc.

Comparing a MacBook to an ON SALE Dell is a fair comparison. How often does Dell NOT have a deal on laptops? And when was the last time you saw a sale on Mac's?


OMG hand me a tissue, quick !!
By Reclaimer77 on 4/24/08, Rating: 0
RE: OMG hand me a tissue, quick !!
By Reclaimer77 on 4/24/2008 4:14:49 PM , Rating: 2
If your going to rate someone down for telling it like it is, be man enough to post and say why.


RE: OMG hand me a tissue, quick !!
By robinthakur on 4/24/2008 5:28:23 PM , Rating: 2
Why would I bother, its rarely rewarding to argue with retards.


RE: OMG hand me a tissue, quick !!
By 777 on 4/24/2008 11:49:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It just goes to show, really, nobody wants a Mac.


Really??? Check this out.
IBM's own staff prefer Macs to ThinkPads
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/apple/ibms...

quote:
Why would I bother, its rarely rewarding to argue with retards.

Accurate response!


RE: OMG hand me a tissue, quick !!
By Reclaimer77 on 4/25/2008 2:15:12 PM , Rating: 2
You post that link like its a documented fact.

quote:
a leaked report suggests IBM is currently investigating the possibility of moving many of its employees from Microsoft's Windows platform to Apple's popular OS.


How many times have we bought into the " leaked report " tech site hype and it turned out being nothing substantial ?

Besides, even if that article is true, do you think thats earth shattering or something ? For a company as huge as IBM, them planning on buying a paltry 50-100 Apple laptops doesn't exactly strike me as anything to be impressed about. Unless, like you, a fanboi is reading it.


RE: OMG hand me a tissue, quick !!
By 777 on 4/25/2008 4:55:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You post that link like its a documented fact.

Uhhh, that's because it is. Some IBM employees prefer the mac to a pc is a fact. My point was simple: to say 'no wants a mac' is wrong, to say 'a small percentage of people prefer a mac' ok that is accurate.

quote:
Unless, like you, a fanboi is reading it

Real mature.


RE: OMG hand me a tissue, quick !!
By Reclaimer77 on 4/25/2008 5:08:31 PM , Rating: 2
Dude come on. Its a " leaked " source. At this point its just a rumor. If its true, it still means nothing really. In the grand scheme of things, do you really think a few hundred people switching to Apple laptops is killing MS ?


RE: OMG hand me a tissue, quick !!
By 777 on 4/25/2008 7:43:06 PM , Rating: 2
That article was not the only place I read about this, IBM employees were asked and SOME wanted a mac over a pc.

Did I say anything about Apple killing MS? Anyone who would believe that would be a idiot. I'll repeat my point a 3rd time, there are those who prefer a mac to a pc a very small percentage, so to say no one wants one is wrong.

If mac's are just overpriced pc's that are no better than a pc, why do you pc diehards get so worked up over any news positive or negative about Apple? Just go enjoy your lower priced pc and let it go!


RE: OMG hand me a tissue, quick !!
By Enigmatic on 4/24/2008 4:43:52 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't rate you down, but I can see why someone would. Likely you've never been on a college campus recently but when I'm at school it seems like the MacBooks outnumber all other computers 2:1. Especially surprising considering it's from one manufacturer. Most people I know (I'm an exception here), are generally satisfied with their MacBook. It doesn't seem unreasonable that then they would then decide to get a Mac for a desktop as well. Thus, the Apple's growth continues.

Obviously Apple computers are yet to make a dent in overall Windows PC sales. But this is really the first time I'm seeing Apple make clear and noticeable sales in the mainstream with a product that isn't some iteration of an iPod. So it's no surprise to me that Apple is experiencing financial success in which what many consider an economic recession.


RE: OMG hand me a tissue, quick !!
By Reclaimer77 on 4/24/2008 7:00:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Likely you've never been on a college campus recently but when I'm at school it seems like the MacBooks outnumber all other computers 2:1. Especially surprising considering it's from one manufacturer.


How can you really quantify a statement like that ? I mean, honestly. Yeah I'm sure you went to every college in the country and got an accurate count. Besides, if I still cared about mimicking what college students do, I would be too high or drunk right now to type.

Advertising works wonders with the youth. Apple is the " cool " thing right now. I'm sure we've all seen the infamous commercials feature the boring old suit and tie PC guy versus the young and hip poorly dressed slacker type. Apple has been selling a social movement for years now, not just electronics. The poor slumbs think they are a " part of something " when they invest in Apple products.

My point was their sales increase is simply directly proportional to their advertising budget. Theres really nothing to see here folks.


By Enigmatic on 4/24/2008 11:34:31 PM , Rating: 2
I guess us young-uns are just mindless slaves submitting to the ever present Apple Incorporation and their damn "cool" commercials. How could a pot smoking drunk ever resist?


RE: OMG hand me a tissue, quick !!
By lightfoot on 4/25/2008 7:35:29 PM , Rating: 2
A lot of things happen on college campuses that don't occur in the real world. It's interesting to consider a few aspects of the college demographic - they are young, have large amounts of disposable income, and they are unemployeed. They have never paid a bill in their life, and likely bought that Macbook with a student loan (assuming that mommy and daddy didn't pay for it.) In polls they are not considered "college educated" because they don't have a degree. Not to be overly insulting, but this is the same demographic from which 29% can't locate the Pacific Ocean on a map.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/11/11...

Trends and fashion do not constitute an informed consumer.

It's funny how often college students are held to be an "enlightened" demographic, when usually they simply don't know any better.


By Enigmatic on 4/26/2008 7:33:37 PM , Rating: 2
Your post doesn't make any sense. How would you have large amounts of disposable income when you're unemployed?


Competition Will be good
By mikefarinha on 4/24/2008 11:27:20 AM , Rating: 2
Although I have never really used an Apple PC (outside of Oregon Trail in grade school during the 80s) I think this will be good news if Windows actually gets some real competition.




RE: Competition Will be good
By borismkv on 4/24/2008 12:34:11 PM , Rating: 2
Not really. Every successful quarter for Apple makes the Apple fanboys just that much more annoying. I'd be much happier if this success were happening with Linux. At least most Linux users actually know something about computers.


RE: Competition Will be good
By Runiteshark on 4/24/2008 4:04:27 PM , Rating: 1
I can see it now:

Windows guy: Dude Windows is better, we can play games etc (repeat the usual Windows response verbatim)"

Linux guy: Yeah? Your idiot developers are proud of having their kernel and a cut up httpd in 37mb of space, we have whole operating systems in that amount of space.

Windows guy: Whats a kernel?

I'd love if Linux was more successful, and it looks like Ubuntu is starting to get that way more and more. I personally don't care for it, but when I installed Kubuntu on a friends computer that had previously never used anything but Windows, he was really surprised at how well it is. In fact I dare say many people would be surprised at how pretty and fancy Linux can be... But judging from supporting my family members on their Windows systems by the phone, I'd hate to have to deal with supporting Linux.

Currently, my dad who lives a few states away has problems understanding how to do ipconfig /all....

Imagine apt-cache search ncurses-devel..... (How do you spell ncurses? n-c-u-r-s-e-s What? ncorses? It didn't work How did you spell it? ncouerses)

Just imagine..


RE: Competition Will be good
By Reclaimer77 on 4/24/2008 4:34:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Currently, my dad who lives a few states away has problems understanding how to do ipconfig /all....


Yes clearly this means Windows users are ignorant and not as tech savvy as you Linux users. Because we all know senior citizens are freaking gods when it comes to computers right ?

You know your whole post just dripps with typical Linux user snobyness. I never understood that about your kind. Yes, congrats, you learned Linux. Here is your medal sir ! Your so much better than everyone else. The world bows to your awesomeness. Just imagine, if only someday, people were more like you and got a clue there would be no wars, disease, etc etc.

Linux isn't less successful for the reasons you think. I.e everyone being stupid.
quote:
Windows guy: Dude Windows is better, we can play games etc (repeat the usual Windows response verbatim)"


Yeah, what you mean is that Windows runs all the software he prefers to use, plays all games without configuring emulation crap like Wine, and works with ALL his current hardware without driver headaches ? Oh my god, this guy is a complete idiot ! Where does he get off thinking pc's are tools meant to help us work and enhance our lives !?!? Doesn't he know he should learn Linux, for no reason, just because a bunch of people on the internet insist its better for him !!??

quote:
In fact I dare say many people would be surprised at how pretty and fancy Linux can be...


Wtf does being pretty and fancy have to do with anything ? Oh thats right, because you assume all Windows users are just mindless morons who like to click on pretty icons with a pretty desktop background !

In short, sit down and shut up and just use what works best for you. Mastering Linux does not give a license to hassle everyone else about their choice of OS and browbeat them.


RE: Competition Will be good
By Runiteshark on 4/24/2008 5:10:32 PM , Rating: 2
See, you are one of the idiots I could imagine partaking in a real conversation as I mentioned above.

You miss the point, I don't care what OS you use. All I was saying is that its a pain in the ass to support users with Windows now, and gave an example of my dad, and that I couldn't imagine how bad it would be for supporting Linux. In further addition, I made that script because I envision that how zealous Linux users would attack Windows users and visa versa.

Nowhere in my post did I say one was superior to another, and I never said that I was a super linux g0d, or that knowing how to use it was important.

As for your amazing comment regarding pretty and fancy, I was saying that the GUI's that you can get on Linux are a lot better then even I expected, as well as my friend. People who always gloat over Mac OSX's eye candy or Vista's would be pleasantly surprised how nice some nix GUI's can be.


RE: Competition Will be good
By robinthakur on 4/24/2008 5:11:37 PM , Rating: 2
So that makes you what? A...Microsoft fanboy? To be honest they're just as annoying (moreso if you count the console space) and MS really have dropped the ball with Vista. Not because its a bad OS, I really like it, although its not as nice as Leopard.

Its because of their attitude towards it, in letting themselves be convinced by their critics. All the organisations who were going to roll out Vista, including mine are now putting those plans on hold because of all the buzz around Windows 7 and clamouring at MS to know when its coming out. They've really shot themselves in the foot because nobody is going to upgrade their entire infrastructure to vista and then have to do the same thing all over again in 1-2 years time. It doesn't matter how easy it is to deploy. Not going to happen!

They've also revealed that they're running scared of google by attempting embarassingly to buy Yahoo and being rebuffed.

I'm not surprised that Mac's are growing in sales. They get the marketing and branding 110% right, the design's always on the money and generally the build quality is what you would expect. Mac's always get coos of delight at work whenever somebody gets a new one, because they are beautifully packaged and designed. Newsflash for you is that 99% of people don't want to know that much about computers, they see them purely as tools, and its telling that you don't seem to get that. Besides which, if everybody understood computers in the same way the Linux freetards do, alot of us probably wouldn't have jobs! OS X is a good and popular 'nix based OS mostly because its not free and there's some support structure in place which isn't a scattered assortment of internet forums filled with scary command prompt stuff and scarier users. Mac's have much nicer wallpapers also...

They are expensive (but at least they look expensive too)and maybe in my younger days (<21) I scoffed at them and built my own computers. I still do that but I also now own Macs, iPods and iPhone and they are nothing to be scared of. Their OS design could teach MS a thing or two in terms of human interfaces and keeping things simple for those who want it that way without irritating power users who know what they're doing (Networking centre in Vista and Server 2008 why, MS why?!?)


RE: Competition Will be good
By Runiteshark on 4/24/2008 5:37:36 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
They are expensive (but at least they look expensive too)and maybe in my younger days (<21) I scoffed at them and built my own computers. I still do that but I also now own Macs, iPods and iPhone and they are nothing to be scared of. Their OS design could teach MS a thing or two in terms of human interfaces and keeping things simple for those who want it that way without irritating power users who know what they're doing (Networking centre in Vista and Server 2008 why, MS why?!?)


I know what you mean, When Vista was "stealing" features from Mac OSX, mactards whined and cried about it. I don't understand that AT ALL. I view it the same as if people bitched that someone implemented mice and the other didn't support them. Great example: Macs used to only have 1 button mice, now they are Multibutton. Oh wow look at that, lets bitch because they STOLE the idea.

I think if something is a good idea, its not bad if it gets implemented across multiple platforms. If one has a better shell, and adds new features, and the other follows suit it only helps to better everyone's experience. I personally could care less about Vista's UI, or KDE or anything for that matter, but some people like the eye candy, and some people want it on their OS.


the thing is..
By omnicronx on 4/24/2008 12:13:53 PM , Rating: 2
Does apples soaring profits really mean they are selling more? Or that they are getting better margins on current items, because cost of production gone down. Apple making more money does not necessarily mean they have an increased market share. That said, MS better watch their back, as everything seems to be going Apples way right now.




RE: the thing is..
By melgross on 4/24/2008 12:25:48 PM , Rating: 2
It would be helpful if you read more than the title of the article.

You would have seen that Apple's margins actually declined slightly. Sales are way up.

Even for iPods, the consensus was that sales would fall by a million units from the quarter last year, but it went up 1%.

This is all during a recession.


RE: the thing is..
By mondo1234 on 4/24/2008 12:39:06 PM , Rating: 3
Correct. Iphone sales must be around 6 million units for the first 9 months in release. They will reach 10-12 million units easily by the end of the calendar year. I don't own an Iphone, but want it to succeed completely. I like the fact it is upsetting the industry and making things more competitive. Everybody wins... :P


OBVIOUSLY...
By daBKLYNdoorman on 4/24/2008 12:38:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It sold a modest 1.7 million iPhones during the quarter.


If they want to sell more iPhones they should send more to their stores... it took me a week to find one in stock.




RE: OBVIOUSLY...
By vapore0n on 4/24/2008 12:57:26 PM , Rating: 3
I bet they would sell even more if they weren't bind by contract to ATT.


By SiliconAddict on 4/25/2008 6:16:13 PM , Rating: 2
asshat. Apple was an arrogant prick when they were the underdogs and its only gotten worse. Sadly asshattery is rampant with Apple and their fanbois.




Why I am Happy....:)
By Setsunayaki on 4/26/2008 8:04:11 PM , Rating: 2
Let people spend their money. These same people talking about how great apple is, like my father was.....one day will wake up and find out that in 10 years, they had spent enough money to buy a new car on Apple products.

I guess its youth. People want the next "cool looking thing" where appearance has a higher priority than overall performance. Sometimes the most attractive thing isn't the best.

For some reason, I've come across many lately who are falling out with Apple. They have become tired and are thinking that they want a more pernmanent solution....that doesn't cost a lot of money. A lot of these people realized that they have gone from doing advanced things to more basic things....

Thats where I step in and show them the world of open source software and Linux desktop versions. Its not a hatred of Microsoft or Apple...its the corporate ideology that Apple and microsoft hold their customers hostage.....to maximize their profits. Microsoft uses DirectX as key to hold people hostage...Apple uses software and hardware to hold people hostage.

Remember, one wouldnt spend $2000 to buy a new MAC if your existing MAC worked perfectly unless you needed something you can only get from buying a new MAC. Same applies everywhere.

You need it. Only they have it...If you don't get it, you are out of loop. Buy this new version of Else.....You are out of luck..Last I heard, that was called Extortion. If I tried to do that to people...people would revolt against me..sue me and a judge would tell me to open up to people. When a corporation does it...the judge sides with them,

The Linux versions out there....are supported by people who want a good OS for people. They work hard. They are not in it for the money. They are not in it for the fame and glory. Most are in it because they are tired of having to be in the pockets of companies that can only care about maximizing their profits every generation, while people in this world get poorer and poorer with each passing generation.

It may be trickier to set up.....but I felt a lot better when running Linux....because deep down I knew that the creators of the OS didn't put a lot of features to restrict me or try to peddle money from me.




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