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16GB version retails for $649, 32GB for $749

The Apple stranglehold continues to loosen. You can now buy an unlocked iPhone 4 directly from the Apple online store

The price tag, however, is hefty ringing in at $649 for the 16GB version and $749 for the 32GB one. Both white and black versions are available.

As with other unlocked GSM phones, the device will work with any Apple-supported GSM network around the world (international shipping is currently not offered). In the U.S., that means choosing between either AT&T or T-Mobile (though data is only supported on T-Mobile's slower, non-3G EDGE network).

Technically, the iPhone 4 — once the golden child of AT&T — can now be purchased through Apple to be used with three of the four largest U.S. carriers (including the CDMA-equipped Verizon iteration).

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Not that expensive actually...
By jrs77 on 6/14/2011 9:10:00 AM , Rating: 1
What people seem to forget is the price an iPhone costs during the period of a 24 month contract.

AT&T sells the iPhone for $199 + $25/month (2GB dataplan) = $799

If I grab a 2GB contract without a phone I pay $10/month = $240

So $799 - $240 = $559 for the iPhone itself if I'm going to buy it from AT&T. The difference of $100 is easily acceptable tho, as I'm not bound to a contract for 24 month, when I buy the phone directly from Apple.

Over here in Europe it's even more worth it to buy the phone without a contract, as the contracts are cheaper then in the US.

RE: Not that expensive actually...
By DKantUno on 6/14/2011 9:23:49 AM , Rating: 1
Exactly, it costs about the same in India. Been selling at full price since the days of the 3GS - partly because 3G networks have gotten setup only recently, so expensive data-plan bundles were unrealistic until now.

Still, paying a little more over a two year period does not seem so bad compared to coughing up 600+$ upfront.

RE: Not that expensive actually...
By jrs77 on 6/14/2011 10:04:20 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget that you can resell your unlocked iPhone.

If I upgrade to the new model every year I can sell the old one for $200 if it's in good shape, so I actually safe money with the unlocked iPhone :hint:

RE: Not that expensive actually...
By quiksilvr on 6/14/2011 10:10:13 AM , Rating: 4
Are you high? This is ridiculously expensive. It isn't even a dual-core processor and it cost more than the iPad. How does that make any sense? This thing at the very most should be $499.

RE: Not that expensive actually...
By AssBall on 6/14/2011 10:22:15 AM , Rating: 2
The US carrier contract amounts are really high, and our carriers kind of try to justify it by overpricing the phone value into them.

RE: Not that expensive actually...
By jrs77 on 6/14/2011 11:02:20 AM , Rating: 1
I'm not high at all, and you have to compare it to the iPad2 with 3G if at all and that thingy costs $700+ aswell.
Now take into account, that the iPhone has a high-tech display (yes, the Retina-display is actually better and way more expensive) and all the tech is crammed into way less space, i.e. miniaturizing is more expensive, ever was.

A Samsung Galaxy S2 is $600, HTC Incredible S, SonyEriccson X10 and most other top phones are $500. So no, I don't think that the iPhone4 is too expensive compared to other products on the market.

In general I think, that all those smartphones are too expensive actually and that the're rather worthless for what they are. I'm still using a mobile phone without touchscreen and gimmicks like mediaplayer etc, as I use my mobile phone for doing phonecalls or writing a SMS. For anything else I've got a 13" notebook and a 4G USB-stick.

I'm rather objective about this whole issue, as I'm not into these things other then from a technical POV.

RE: Not that expensive actually...
By B3an on 6/14/2011 9:37:06 PM , Rating: 1
What a stupid comment. How can you justify $700+ for a phone?? Especially one with obsolete tech.

The "Retina-display" (marketing BS) is just a IPS display with a lower resolution than on the iPad. Which also has a IPS display. So no it's not better.

And a Galaxy S2 for example is a VASTLY superior phone. The best hardware currently in any phone. In literally every single way the S2 is better, faster and more capable. The hardware in the iPhone 4 dont even remotely compare. The only advantage the iPhone 4 has is a slightly higher res display, but the S2 has a Super AMOLED+ display which is overall much better - improved viewing angles, better black, higher contrast, more vibrant colour, lower response time and so on.

Thats just one example though, theres many other phones out that have superior hardware. The iPhone 4 is a ripoff as with most Apple products, and it only costs that much because loads of morons will still buy it.

By robinthakur on 6/15/2011 12:39:33 PM , Rating: 2
So bitter...You can justify it for the reasons given above by the guy you are responding to. You can also justify it over your other alternatives because there are both more worthwhile developers and apps on the platform and that alone makes it much more appealing. The screen is utterly peerless despite your assertions because of the pixel pitch certainly overall far in excess of Super AMOLED+ and does not juice the battery quite so quickly as that.

Going betweeen the iPhone 4 and the iPad 2, the screen annoys slightly on the iPad because it seems so low res by comparison. Why would I buy an Android with a dual core when there is nothing remotely worthwhile in terms of Apps which stresses those two cores and when the GUI still looks juddery and slow compared to a single core iPhone4? What do Samsung actually do with all that hardware power other than hide it behind cheap, plastic plagiarised designs? If you bought an iPhone of nearly any generation you are paying for software development which doesn't stop the minute a new handset is released like with Android and you are paying for a platform which will be viable for nearly every app released to run at or near its best for at least 3 years, which is why so many still use 3GS's. The updates on Androids which are not the Nexus line vanilla version are a complete joke.

By quiksilvr on 6/15/2011 10:02:26 AM , Rating: 2
*Facepalm* IT'S $600 BECAUSE IT'S DUAL CORE. And it has a larger and a very expensive display...AND THAT'S $50 LESS. (Plus Samsung is overpriced in general as well).

If it was dual core I might have understood, MAYBE. But this phone is over a year old. It doesn't make any sense.

RE: Not that expensive actually...
By Myrandex on 6/14/2011 11:47:36 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry you can't get a 2GB Data plan for AT&T phones. There is a $10 unlimited plan for unbranded phones though, but I would doubt that it would work for an iPhone. I even tried it on an iPhone 1st gen and as soon as the phone was connected, AT&T sends a text message stating that they are upgrading the data plan to the iPhone specific data plan.

Jason Cook

RE: Not that expensive actually...
By zorxd on 6/14/2011 12:31:35 PM , Rating: 2
In Canada you won't get a rebate if you bring your own unlocked phone, so you loose.
Plus, it's still expensive as there are many more powerful alternatives to the iPhone for $500-600

RE: Not that expensive actually...
By jrs77 on 6/14/2011 1:38:24 PM , Rating: 2
Well... sucks to live in US or Canada then. In Europe we're free to choose, even if we bring our own phone.

And like I said. Buying a smartphone for $500 or $600 is ridiculous anyways. I'm better off with a $400 netbook and a $100 standard mobile phone.

RE: Not that expensive actually...
By FreakyD on 6/14/2011 5:57:25 PM , Rating: 2
Not that expensive? If you want to compare prices, just look at an iPod since it's basically an iPhone without the 3G receiver, GPS, and a lower quality camera... a 32GB model is $299. The iPad costs $129 to upgrade to a 3G version vs the wifi. So an iPhone would make sense at around $430 for a 32GB version.

Since the iPod is cheaper than the iPad wifi, similarly should the iPhone be cheaper than the iPad 3G.

So an unlocked iPhone is overpriced from that standpoint. Apple is pricing to what people will pay, not what the items cost to produce.

By TakinYourPoints on 6/14/2011 6:48:40 PM , Rating: 2
You can't compare the price of an unlocked iPhone with an iPod Touch, you need to compare it to the price of other smartphones. Cell phone prices are high because that is what they are sold to carriers to, who then make profit from the two year contract.

Shop around for other unlocked smartphones, it is actually in line with most of the high end ones. Hell, I remember what a high end Nokia dumbphone cost before the iPhone came out, and that wasn't far off at all from these prices.

By Skywalker123 on 6/15/2011 12:53:54 AM , Rating: 2
All businesses charge what the market will bear, not what an item costs to produce.

What's the Point of this???
By Baltar on 6/14/2011 10:43:55 AM , Rating: 2
I don't see the point of this in the USA. It's Only the GSM version that's unlocked, which means it's only going to be used in either Tmobile or AT+T, and since they are dating right now and just begging for their father's (the government) blessings which dad will give anyway without a fight - they'll be back in AT+T anyway.

RE: What's the Point of this???
By Tony Swash on 6/14/2011 12:48:28 PM , Rating: 2
I don't see the point of this in the USA. It's Only the GSM version that's unlocked, which means it's only going to be used in either Tmobile or AT+T, and since they are dating right now and just begging for their father's (the government) blessings which dad will give anyway without a fight - they'll be back in AT+T anyway.

This article explains the significance very clearly, worth a read.

RE: What's the Point of this???
By Pirks on 6/14/2011 1:07:04 PM , Rating: 2
"The number of operators supporting Blackberry outnumber the iPhone at least by a ratio of two to one"

hahaha Tony just pwned himself hahaha :))) yeah right, "a last nail in RIM's coffin" my ass LOL :))) thanks Tony, I didn't know that interesting fact about RIM vs Apple carrier ratio, great to know now :P

RE: What's the Point of this???
By nafhan on 6/14/2011 1:31:16 PM , Rating: 2
So you're responding to a post asking what the point of an unlocked iPhone in the USA is with an article about how unlocked iPhones will be significant in markets where you can't currently purchase the iPhone (i.e. NOT the USA). It would have been simpler if you just said it won't be significant in the US.

RE: What's the Point of this???
By Tony Swash on 6/14/2011 3:00:10 PM , Rating: 2
Wow - people are so touchy :)

Someone asked:
I don't see the point of this in the USA.

I pointed him to an interesting article about why this was happening, and about the role an unlocked iPhone sold in the USA might have in a broader world market. I thought that people might find the article informative or interesting. I wasn't making a point. I don't care about unlocked iPhones in the US because I already own one in the UK :)

People need to chill out a bit - maybe go outside for a walk or something.

RE: What's the Point of this???
By Baltar on 6/15/2011 4:18:13 PM , Rating: 2
I quote from the article you pasted:

The way to think about it is that the iPhone has just become more “liquid” and it can now flow to parts of the world where it has been difficult to acquire.

In other words, there's really no point in unlocking it in the USA - especially when tmobile will get bought out by at+t in the future and GSM is an ATT monopoly in the USA. After all, unlocked iphones were available outside the USA, they just had to be procured differently...

Also, I think it's very selfish and idiotic when someone asks a question and the response is - well it doesn't apply to me so it doesn't matter, which is what I get from your comment saying "I don't care about unlocked iPhones in the US because I already own one in the UK :)" That comment matters as much to my question as if I said "Well Tony Swash can put a gun to his head and there will still be another 100 mac fools to take his place"

Big question
By sprockkets on 6/14/2011 9:17:08 AM , Rating: 2
If this is the case:

1. Will ATT FINALLY unlock your phone after the contract (or are they already doing so?)
2. No requirement for a data plan then?

Wow, apple is like, becoming less douchey. S

Still won't buy their stuff until their lord and savior dies and the rest of the apple cult dies with him.

RE: Big question
By Brandon Hill on 6/14/2011 9:19:31 AM , Rating: 3
Be careful what you wish for. If Jobs dies, he will just rise again and become even more powerful :)

RE: Big question
By bunnyfubbles on 6/14/2011 9:29:56 AM , Rating: 2
It wouldn't be the first thing I'd wish for, but I don't think I'd shy away from the opportunity to blow away Zombie Steve Jobs.

RE: Big question
By Wolfpup on 6/14/2011 9:31:02 AM , Rating: 2

RE: Big question
By HammerZ on 6/14/2011 4:21:07 PM , Rating: 2
2. No requirement for a data plan then?

I have the same question on this. I am not sure if this will actually benefit current ATT customers. Regardless if you have a data plan or not currently, if they detect a Smartphone on their network, ATT will automatically add a smartphone data package. They are doing this based on IMEI numbers of the phone. This happen to me when I gave my old/unused (no longer sub) 3GS to my daughter. Even though I have a data opt out lock (i.e. not able to transmit data via ATT's network), they added a data package. That is a part of their T&C for smartphones to have a data plan, regardless if you are only using the Voice capability. I had a fruitless heated discussion w/ the ATT rep.

Hopefully, the new unlocked iPhone will not be recognized by ATT as a Smartphone to get around this requirement. Otherwise, the benefits of the unlocked iPhone is very minute at a hefty price premium.

By nafhan on 6/14/2011 9:20:31 AM , Rating: 2
The Apple stranglehold continues to loosen
Could someone explain this to me? You're still in the Apple ecosystem 100% whether or not you've got a contract with a cell carrier. The cell carrier stranglehold continues to loosen (maybe), but not the Apple one.

I do look forward to the mythical day when service providers give me a pipe to the internet... and that's it.

By carigis on 6/14/2011 9:44:33 AM , Rating: 2
at this point you might as well wait for the september update, I think tmobile's band will be added for 3g data now that the sale is pending so there are less issues when they merge with att. if your going to have to use terrible edge you might as well just buy a used 3gs for now rather then spend for new iphone 4

No real benefit in the US?
By tlbj6142 on 6/14/2011 9:51:47 AM , Rating: 2
Is there any real benefit for US based consumers? The phone will only work on AT&T's 3G network, right? You could use T-Mobile's voice and 2G, but not their 3G network.

The only real reason I can think of buying an unlocked phone would be for international travelers so you can sim swap to reduce voice/data charges while in a different country.

Replace a lost/broken phone? Wouldn't ebay/CL be cheaper?

By senbassador on 6/14/2011 3:50:58 PM , Rating: 2
"In the U.S., that means choosing between either AT&T or T-Mobile (though data is only supported on T-Mobile's slower, non-3G EDGE network)."

Which is real great, because its not like AT&T and T-Mobile have plans to merge in the near future or anything.

Re Unlocked Apple
By virthddman on 6/16/2011 6:51:42 PM , Rating: 2
This is good Internationally - and some US people who lose their phone - or may want to change providers. Bear in mind you can always sell the iPhone.

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By icanhascpu on 6/14/11, Rating: -1
The Apple stranglehold continues to loosen
By Pirks on 6/14/11, Rating: -1
RE: The Apple stranglehold continues to loosen
By Brandon Hill on 6/14/2011 8:58:51 AM , Rating: 3
Wait, what?

By Pirks on 6/14/2011 9:52:56 AM , Rating: 1
good catch Brandon, thanks

"Motoman's ass raped by Jobs"

fixed :P

RE: The Apple stranglehold continues to loosen
By AssBall on 6/14/11, Rating: 0
By Pirks on 6/14/2011 11:01:15 AM , Rating: 2
no need for pics since I fixed my grammar above

"This week I got an iPhone. This weekend I got four chargers so I can keep it charged everywhere I go and a land line so I can actually make phone calls." -- Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg
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