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Schiller says Android OS updates are too slow

Apple must really feel the competition heating up, because Phil Schiller just can't say enough about Android these days. In an interview with Reuters on Wednesday, Schiller -- Apple's senior vice president of worldwide marketing -- said that most Android users are running old software because updates are slow to roll out.

"With their own data, only 16 percent of Android users are on year-old version of the operating system," Schiller said. "Over 50 percent are still on software that is two years old. A really big difference."

It's important to note that each Android OS update needs to be tested for several different hardware makers to make sure it's right for each one.

Further, Schiller trash talked the new Samsung Galaxy S IV, saying that it will be shipped with a year-old operating system because Android has a fragmentation issue.

"And that extends to the news we are hearing this week that the Samsung Galaxy S4 is being rumored to ship with an OS that is nearly a year old," Schiller said. "Customers will have to wait to get an update."


Android version install base as of March 4, 2013 [Image Source: Android.com]

Despite Schiller's comments, Android-powered smartphones currently hold greater worldwide market share than Apple's iPhone. Apple's iPhone only represented about 19 percent of worldwide smartphone shipments in 2012 while all Android-powered smartphones accounted for about 70 percent.

But Schiller has an answer for that, too.

"At Apple we know that it's not just enough to have products pumped out in large numbers," Schiller said. "You have to love and use them. There is a lot of data showing a big disparity there."

Schiller was bad-mouthing Android earlier this week in an interview with The Wall Street Journal, where he said that iPhone users are more satisfied with their smartphone experience than Android users and that Androids are the kinds of phones given as free replacements to feature phones. He added that Android phones make you "sign up for nine accounts" out of the box because it isn't as seamless of an experience as iOS -- where Apple is responsible for both hardware and software.


Apple's Phil Schiller posing with an iPad mini

It's interesting that Apple is starting to dig into Samsung and Android right around the release of the Samsung Galaxy S IV, which is due to make its first appearance today at the 7 p.m. ET launch event at Radio City Music Hall in Manhattan. The Samsung Galaxy S III made a big splash in the smartphone world, and the greater specs of the Galaxy S IV should mean increased popularity of the line.

The Samsung Galaxy S IV will feature a 5.0-inch 1080p display, a 1.9GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 processor (or a 2GHz quad-core Samsung Exynos 5450 processor for the international version), 2GB of RAM, 16/32/64GB storage options, a removable SD card slot for up to 64GB, a 13MP rear-facing camera with Orb technology for compressed panorama shots, a 2MP front-facing camera with eye scrolling technology, 4G LTE connectivity, Bluetooth 4.0, 3100 mAh battery and of course the Android 4.2 Jelly Bean operating system. 

Apple has hard a hard time keeping up the momentum of its products, and it shows in the company's shares. Apple shares have fallen from $702.10 in September to $428.35 as of this week.

Sources: Reuters, Android.com



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By retrospooty on 3/14/2013 5:43:23 PM , Rating: 3
So the marketing VP does what marketing people do. Try to convince people that they are better than the competition. Try to steal attention from a product release. Of course Apple wants to steal attention. They have an inferior product that doesn't make it on its own merits anymore. They need hype and loyalists.

but do we really need 2 separate articles on this?

Article 1. The marketing guy is doing his job.
Article 2. The marketing guy is STILL doing his job.

???




By Reclaimer77 on 3/14/2013 5:53:55 PM , Rating: 2
He doesn't seem to be doing his job very well. Despite sitting on piles of cash, Apple allowed Samsung to spend MORE on advertising and marketing for all of last year and so far this year.


By retrospooty on 3/14/2013 6:07:43 PM , Rating: 1
LOL... They are probably like Tony. Convinced Android is failing and that "fragmentation" is an issue that affects Android users. Good luck with that.


By Reclaimer77 on 3/14/2013 6:33:11 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah "frangmentation", the clever catch-phrase they thought was going to gain traction.

But it's hard to see the downsides to "fragmentation" when Android 2.3 Gingerbread to this day is still more feature-rich than the newest iOS.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/14/2013 8:18:05 PM , Rating: 1
And FUD like this is where I jump in.

In what way is Gingerbread more feature-rich when ICS is still not completely caught up? Security, user interface, performance, battery life, applications, 2.3 is second rate garbage in every single way. Every single move Google has made has been to shore up its deficiencies (project butter, improving security, etc).

Android has been rapidly improving simply because it was released in a much poorer state than iOS, Windows Phone, or WebOS.

Even retrospooty calls Android trash until ICS dropped. JB is the only Android version I can call remotely close to iOS, but unfortunately fragmentation (that big bad word) is getting in the way of developers being able to fully take advantage of the platform. Its hard when the majority of your userbase is on an old and broken OS, could you imagine if Windows developers still had to support Win98?

The best thing that can happen for Android is one of two things, either 2.x devices getting replaced over time, or companies finally supporting upgrades on hardware. The first will hold back the platform for years while we wait for JB+ devices to finally take over, especially since brand new phones are still being sold with 2.3. The second is unfortunately unlikely unless you install your own ROMs or get a Nexus device.

Again, I really wish Google had more control over Android. Their improvements with the OS mean less and less when companies have things like TouchWiz/Sense or when they're still releasing outdated operating systems on brand new hardware.

I understand that you're on a Gingerbread device, and that's fine, but don't defend your possessions by pretending that you weren't stuck years behind the curve even when it was brand new.


By SlyNine on 3/15/2013 2:07:49 AM , Rating: 1
Bla bla bla bla. That's all I think 99% of the people will see in your pointless, at times over exaggerated and untrue, ramblings.


By rountad on 3/15/2013 11:04:12 AM , Rating: 2
How about simply connecting your phone to a computer to upload or download a file?

Lots of businesses don't allow users to install software, like iTunes.

There are numerous things that the iPhone just doesn't do or do as easily as even Android 2.3. There is a good series of videos on YouTube covering some of these points.


By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 12:17:48 PM , Rating: 3
"Even retrospooty calls Android trash until ICS dropped. "

Dont involve me with your FUD. 2.x was laggy, and just plain ugly and had other limitations, but what Reclaimer said was it was more "feature rich" and he was correct. There are just too many things IOS doesnt do for a high end phone.

Now Android has added even more features so my list you love so much has grown. Here it is again... Enjoy ;)

Android advantages
- Larger Screens
- Higher resolution screens with better DPI
- Better Edge to Edge display (no giant iBezel)
- Micro SD card
- Removable batteries
- NFC
- 802.11ac
- Mini HDMI port
- Better Notifications
- Faster Voice search
- Better Mapping software
- Widgets
- Live wallpaper
- Plays HD content without downscaling
- Greater than 5x4 icons
- Multi user support
- Multi Window support
- pop up browser(in a window)
- Wireless charging
- Eye scrolling
- Waterproof models
- Better OS
- Better UI
- Prettier OS
- Photo Spere
- Plug and play as a flash drive to copy files
- Flexibility in OS (Tons of Custom ROM's, etc)
- Flexibility in hardware (qwerty models, waterproof models, removable batteries, larger models, smaller models, high end models, mid range models, cheap models)
- Micro USB (Like every other phone made by every other manufacturer on planet Earth for the past four years, except of course, Apple)


By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 12:24:48 PM , Rating: 2
oh.. and

- Air gestures
- Active stylus support

I am sure I am missing some more. DAMN that is a long list. A few can be called opinion, but the most of it is real features with real benefits and you know it.


By CeriseCogburn on 3/17/2013 12:29:32 AM , Rating: 2

Yes you are missing a lot, but then the appl fanboys will lie, and lie a lot more, so let them have their hard rectangle hand cutting arthritic producing piece of tiny junk.

Why help them to the light, they can't handle a real OS anyway.


By Reclaimer77 on 3/15/2013 3:08:34 PM , Rating: 2
Retro I'm not even responding to him at this point. I don't know about you, but I'm really tired of making the same huge list of features iOS is missing that Android has had since day one, only to have him repeat the same FUD and out of date talking points.

Also he seems really confused about the difference between hardware and the OS. Listing things like "battery life" as an iOS advantage, when battery life is almost entirely decided by screen size, not OS "efficiency".


By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 3:19:31 PM , Rating: 2
"repeat the same FUD and out of date talking points"

Amen to that. His talking points do seem to be stuck on 2011ville.

I dont mind. I'll post my list for no other reason than to piss him off at this point LOL. It's a hell of a long and undeniable list with alot of recent additions. I just love to see that list and hear ridiculous responses like "none of those things matter" or "So what if its missing a dozen different things that all modern smartphones should have, IOS users browse the web more" LOL... Hilarious.


By half_duplex on 3/18/2013 11:54:56 AM , Rating: 2
I'm glad you like your Android, but I think many items are your list should be classified as features, not advantages. Also, in my personal experience, many are also double edged swords.

For example, the larger screen on my Galaxy SII made it difficult to use with one hand, and also a sub standard battery life.

The Micro SD could be seen as an advantage, or a disadvantage if compared to the out of the box storage that comes with each iPhone. I've never needed more than 16GB of memory on my phone though.

I've owned both, and I am not sure I can agree that the UI is more pretty, slick or responsive. iOS apps are closely scrutinized line by line by high level developers while Android Market is so wide open key loggers have made their way onto it.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/16/2013 3:50:45 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also he seems really confused about the difference between hardware and the OS. Listing things like "battery life" as an iOS advantage, when battery life is almost entirely decided by screen size, not OS "efficiency".


It has everything to do with efficiency and superior engineering.

A smaller chassis and screen means a MUCH smaller battery. The number of LEDs has an insignificant effect on power drain compared to the SoC, antennas, and having the OS optimized for specific hardware.

You're telling me that a much smaller battery yielding double the LTE and wifi time, something that has everything to do with better antennas and more power efficient LTE chips, is because of a smaller screen?

You don't know very much about hardware engineering, do you?


By CeriseCogburn on 3/17/2013 12:31:21 AM , Rating: 2
Well, at least have a look and give your mental state a fair shot to update itself to reality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A48A4J5qpYA

50 reasons you need to leave your lovely ip5


By Reclaimer77 on 3/17/2013 1:16:50 AM , Rating: 2
Takin's response: "Those are all gimmicks"


By CeriseCogburn on 3/18/2013 9:51:29 AM , Rating: 2
Just add the other 40 or so to your list for next time, so his response looks really really stupid instead of just extremely dumb.

You notice, the guy couldn't make an appl 50 even though he promised - there just aren't but maybe 2 functions on an iphone that android doesn't have I guess. Maybe the number is zero.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/16/2013 3:46:29 AM , Rating: 2
Everything you say are either gimmicks, already available through apps long before they were in that list, or are flat out gimmicks.

I'll take better hardware, better performance, better UI, and better third party apps over the relative kludge that is the Galaxy series. Sorry.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/16/2013 4:52:38 AM , Rating: 2
Like, if we're going point by point then let's look at Android's disadvantages:

- Inferior quality and selection of applications and poor developer support
- Inferior UI
- Choppy/laggy UI performance even with the best hardware running the latest OS
- In the case of Samsung, terrible displays in a flimsy package
- Poor long term support from hardware companies and carriers to encourage more frequent turnover
- Poor security
- Malware

Other things like "giant iBezel" is also a lie. After you made comment of that I compared an iPhone 5's bezel against a GS3 and it is about half the thickness from the edge of the screen to the edge of the device.

All the other things you mention (removable batteries, MicroSD card) are the side effects of having a big chassis. Not everyone wants a big phone, but not everyone wears a belt holster, wears fat-man pants, or carries a purse. Things like HDMI (in a PHONE) are going away in even the highest end Android devices. You don't need your mobile device with amazing wireless technology tethered by an HDMI cable when technologies like AirPlay and Miraplay are getting so popular. Other things like Photo Sphere and even bumping to exchange info or pictures have been available in iOS apps since 2009.

iOS from four years ago says hello, how are you doing?

If you don't care about a polished device with better hardware, better applications, support that extends past a year, and better battery life, then cool, great, fine, but your preferences aren't objective advantages for everyone.

The things you mentioned either don't exist as tradeoffs (photo sphere, bumping) or aren't worth the trade for things that really matter. Losing or downgrading useful specialized and exclusive apps, downgrading the display (at least with Samsung), cutting battery life in half, and downgrading to a choppy laggy interface just so I can plug in an SD card (something other companies are also dropping), meh.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/16/2013 6:31:16 AM , Rating: 2
Forgot this one:

quote:
Better Mapping software


Nope, also on iOS! The best version of Google Maps is currently the one on iOS. Shame that Google's mobile team generally releases their apps on iOS first before updating the Android version, but of course Google makes more money and mines more valuable data from iOS users so its still clearly a higher priority. It'll catch up on Android though. ;)

http://www.cultofandroid.com/19954/google-admits-n...

Another funny thing, PC Magazine just did a comparison after six months and iOS Maps improved so much that it beat Google Maps in most everything except for public transportation. It makes sense since Apple fired the original team and has been fixing things ever since, TomTom has been lending more support, etc.

I haven't compared them myself. Both iOS and Google Maps work great for me and I really don't care, I like them both.

However, its good for comically massive fanboy bulletpoint lists created to hide basic fundamental shortcomings like inferior polish, performance, hardware quality (at least regarding Samsung's garbage, HTC's is good), and applications.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/16/2013 3:59:12 AM , Rating: 3
And yes, fragmentation matters. Again, a quote from id, a company that has made millions developing for iOS, with a sentiment shared by every other major and minor developer out there.

quote:
For gaming, Android's hardware diversity is a curse, not a blessing. Let's say you have 200 potential devices to support (as a rough example). Of those, only 20 can actually run games at a level you'd be comfortable with. That remaining 20 has 2-3 display resolutions and graphics architectures to support, and only that same amount of phones has enough users to justify development -- but that combined group ends up being considerably smaller than the iOS group you could reach. You end up either giving up sales or building for the lowest common denominator.

iOS may have limited selection, but it's much, much, much easier to develop knowing that you'll hit a big swath of users -- including much larger media player and tablet audiences. You can also optimize your code much more effectively. Knowing that fewer people will steal your game just makes it that much easier to justify supporting iOS first or exclusively.


By CeriseCogburn on 3/18/2013 9:49:13 AM , Rating: 2
One big boo hoo.

We have much more complex architecture and software on the PC, including tens of thousands of more hardware builds, yet gaming software is everywhere.

So this is a whine that hasn't been a problem for over a decade, and is even less an issue in smartphones.

I wouldn't blame the developers if they raked massive dollars from stupid appl fanboys for very little work or coding skill, so that's an upside.


By Shadowself on 3/14/2013 7:24:36 PM , Rating: 3
And I'd wager a sizable sum that if Apple significantly outspent Samsung in marketing you'd be the first to line up and deride Apple as trying to buy market share through advertising.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/14/2013 8:21:12 PM , Rating: 1
Hypocrisy is a standard fanboy trait.


Truth hurts, eh?
By rats_u on 3/15/2013 11:58:00 AM , Rating: 2
I guess the fanDroids don't like hearing the truth.

Look, the guy is just pointing out the weaknesses.

You've got a Java (horrible) based apps on the Android side with a million different hardware variations vs a lean mean efficient Objective-C based apps on the iOS side with tightly control hardware which leads to different experiences.

Android (design decision) can never be as efficient and will always need more powerful hardware just to keep up with iOS devices on the (real world) performance envelop. I think it was a mistake on Google's part to not go compiled apps and I can see it when I use my Galaxy Note 2 vs my iPhone.

Fragmentation issues are annoying, besides the blurry UI you have things like incorrect video aspect ratios (all stretched out, etc) that you would never find in iOS.

But if you feel that a phone should be as close to a PC as possible and like to tinker away then Android is your game... TinkerBells.




RE: Truth hurts, eh?
By TakinYourPoints on 3/16/2013 5:44:23 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Android (design decision) can never be as efficient and will always need more powerful hardware just to keep up with iOS devices on the (real world) performance envelop. I think it was a mistake on Google's part to not go compiled apps and I can see it when I use my Galaxy Note 2 vs my iPhone.


The non-techies here with no experience using multiple platforms don't realize that relying on Java rather than a native languages like Objective-C with iOS or C++ and C# for Windows Phone puts Android at a serious disadvantage.

The result is an inherently choppier experience that requires more horsepower to keep up. The side effect is requiring larger batteries, but it still yields lower battery life than much smaller devices.

Android requiring larger batteries is what first spurred the push to larger screens, by the way. Battery life on "normal" size Android smartphones was a joke. Current "normal" size Android phones like the Galaxy S3 Mini cannot compete with something like an iPhone (neither can a normal GS3 for that matter) because they have to compromise so much reducing its size. Its a shame because the Mini's form factor is so much more practical and logical than the 5" almost-tablet "phones".

A lower clocked dual-core iOS device runs circles around a quad-core Android device at nearly double the clock speed, it is ridiculous. Same goes with Windows Phone. Even with first gen WP7 devices they'd get much smoother performance on Snapdragon compared to Android running on the much faster Hummingbird. Things haven't gotten much better either, the GS4 on JB looks just as choppy as the GS3 did on ICS.

Its crazy how much the cheerleaders here have their heads buried in the sand. Like, if you enjoy the platform then that's totally cool, but don't pretend it is perfect or the best either. The problems with it are legit and numerous.

Its like watching a Kia owner brag about how much better his car is than a Porsche. Mindblowing WTFness.

I think even Google knows it. Replacing Andy Rubin with the guy running Chrome (Google's best product by far) can't be a coincidence considering how far behind the Android OS still is in polish, security, features, etc.

quote:
Fragmentation issues are annoying, besides the blurry UI you have things like incorrect video aspect ratios (all stretched out, etc) that you would never find in iOS.


Yup, years later and it still lacks the polish of iOS or WP. The main thing WP lacks is apps, but it has the best UI out there IMHO. It could be the mobile platform to rule them all if it had a developer ecosystem like what's on iOS, but that won't come without more users.

quote:
But if you feel that a phone should be as close to a PC as possible and like to tinker away then Android is your game... TinkerBells.


Pretty much. If you like to tinker with superficial things then yeah, Android is a nice toy OS.


RE: Truth hurts, eh?
By CeriseCogburn on 3/18/2013 10:07:17 AM , Rating: 2
That's nuts.

Thee are so many apps at the google app store for free, you never have to pay for anything. You couldn't possibly need any tiny amount of them.

Furthermore, the current android phone releases stomp the iphone, all of them do.

iphone ios yesterday, and delibitated out of the box.


RE: Truth hurts, eh?
By half_duplex on 3/18/2013 1:41:32 PM , Rating: 2
You make a good point but I'd like to correct you on your inclusion of C# into your list of non GIT languages.

Anyway, I write Java every day and I love Java. But on a small/embedded device... it's out of it's element. I'll take C all day.

Not to mention you have to dev your Android apps in a buggy Eclipse plugin that can't profile worth a damn.


Dummy
By jimbojimbo on 3/14/2013 3:19:20 PM , Rating: 2
What the hell other OS can it have besides Jellybean? KLP isn't out yet so there's no alternative.
The real question Schiller should be asking is "Our current OS is still lacking behind ICS in features. Why?"




RE: Dummy
By johnnycanadian on 3/14/2013 3:44:20 PM , Rating: 2
... which is why, after an iPhone 3G, 3GS and 4 I'll be purchasing a HTC One when they're available here in Canada. I have quite a few Apple products (and a few Samsung ones as well) but the shine has been leaving the Apple since Jobs passed. Too bad; they built some great stuff but have seem to simply have lost any semblance of innovation.


RE: Dummy
By CeriseCogburn on 3/18/2013 10:01:40 AM , Rating: 2
Can you imagine the humiliation and the total depression inside Apple now ? The media and every book and talking head and geek fanboy had their Jesus Jobs, and the saved it from death comeback was everywhere, forever, who knows how many movies and indy shorts were spoiled over the whole repeated mantra.

So now they are a lost rudderless failure again, waiting to crash, with no savior, their religion, DEAD. Prozac must be a company bathroom dispenser script now.

Nighty night appl


Sticks and Stones
By Shig on 3/14/2013 5:16:05 PM , Rating: 5
May break my bones, but apparently sitting on 137$ billion in cash and doing 0 with it is hurting you.

Bring the cash back to the west and actually pay the taxes you owe and start investing it for god sakes.




RE: Sticks and Stones
By Shadowself on 3/14/13, Rating: -1
RE: Sticks and Stones
By CeriseCogburn on 3/17/2013 12:20:32 AM , Rating: 2
LOL - not sure what you're recalling
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/business/apples-...

A few highlights for you.
" Apple was a pioneer of an accounting technique known as the “Double Irish With a Dutch Sandwich,” which reduces taxes by routing profits through Irish subsidiaries and the Netherlands and then to the Caribbean. Today, that tactic is used by hundreds of other corporations — some of which directly imitated Apple’s methods, say accountants at those companies. "
" Without such tactics, Apple’s federal tax bill in the United States most likely would have been $2.4 billion higher last year, according to a recent study by a former Treasury Department economist, Martin A. Sullivan. As it stands, the company paid cash taxes of $3.3 billion around the world on its reported profits of $34.2 billion last year, a tax rate of 9.8 percent. (Apple does not disclose what portion of those payments was in the United States, or what portion is assigned to previous or future years.) "

" By comparison, Wal-Mart last year paid worldwide cash taxes of $5.9 billion on its booked profits of $24.4 billion, a tax rate of 24 percent, which is about average for non-tech companies. "

LOL - NICE TRY FANBOY...WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG DAT U


the more..
By tamalero on 3/14/2013 3:56:04 PM , Rating: 3
The more desperate someone gets.. the more noise they make.
it clearly shows it on the Apple side.




RE: the more..
By CeriseCogburn on 3/17/2013 12:27:57 AM , Rating: 2

Yes the apple people take the Note 2 in hand and love it - they can see the screen - then when they get the stylus out they go nuts for it.

Apple is living on a dead corpse, and their hero is not coming back, as they discovered he was not Jesus...

I note SJ croaked right after his "we have a state of the art multi mega million dollar antenna room we built and designed look at it ( shows giant greyblack foamcell room with tiny in comparison apple platform in middle ), and blah blah..."

Yes, denial had finally hammered the skinny gay one into self deception and a giant embarrassment so he decided it was time to move on.... thanks iPhone5 antenna ...

And it's been downhill before and ever since...
I can't even imagine the number of people trying to "be Steve Jobs" at that place right now... I bet it worse than all the repub potus candidates when they stand up on stage and bleat they are the reincarnation of Reagan ... it sooooo pathetic.

I'd actually support it if one of them (the Jobbers or the Pubbers) spent ten years studying their mentor god and then actually did a near emulation - that would be AWESOME - but all they do is flap their lips and be the stupid selves they are.


Retailers
By KFZ on 3/15/2013 12:01:31 PM , Rating: 2
Well I'd like to run the latest Android, but shopping around budget phones, they're pushing, what, 2.3? Don't see how that's Google's fault companies use the latest OS releases to push phones they want to sell.




RE: Retailers
By CeriseCogburn on 3/18/2013 9:55:49 AM , Rating: 2
Android passed ios already, so you'll have to pay the price near or more than appl, since appl set the greedy fat $$$$$ wallet drain priority - and let's face it, their stock skyrocketed to the outer reaches, they controlled an entire Wall Street Stock Exchange and still do, now the $300 per share plummet is... well whatever... billions gone from the fanboys portfolios, and they don't have monopoly in the market anymore, they are behind...

Apple better come up with something, because now they suck in comparison.
It was a nice for fat pig stockholders and a real SCALPING of every single customer for years on end, the real company with immense greediness, the only one I know of.


By smilingcrow on 3/14/2013 2:57:43 PM , Rating: 2
typo
By burnz on 3/14/2013 3:49:40 PM , Rating: 2
Please fix your article were it says the galaxy s4 will come in 16/21/64 gb models to
16/32/64




Grow up Apple!
By geekman1024 on 3/14/2013 8:53:39 PM , Rating: 2
You have to be strong and face the reality. Accept the fact that others make better things then yours.

Childish trash talk is so... childish.




unfragmented crap
By comment on 3/15/2013 4:36:10 AM , Rating: 2
We at Apple take pride in our unfragmented user base.
Here are the latest updates they got for free:
- Non working map app. If you are tired of life there is an app for that, you will get lost in the desert.
- Decreased battery life because users should get a life
- Wifi that suddenly sucks. This is a feature not a bug to limit brain cancer.
- And many more just read our support forum but hurry we often delete negative posts to keep the forum clean & tidy.
Phil S.




Guy needs to get shot already!
By techxx on 3/14/13, Rating: -1
RE: Guy needs to get shot already!
By JackBurton on 3/14/13, Rating: -1
RE: Guy needs to get shot already!
By occam49 on 3/14/2013 3:28:09 PM , Rating: 3
He's also not saying anything of importance. He's got the right name for the job Shill-er


RE: Guy needs to get shot already!
By JackBurton on 3/14/13, Rating: -1
RE: Guy needs to get shot already!
By Salisme on 3/14/2013 3:46:58 PM , Rating: 3
It's a game apple started. Need I remind you of all the "I'm a mac" vs PC commercials that ran for years?


RE: Guy needs to get shot already!
By occam49 on 3/14/2013 3:59:24 PM , Rating: 1
So the Shill is bad-mouthing Samsung for a year old real OS ... meanwhile the iPhone runs on 2 year old technology with a pseudo OS.

I think the market is starting to prefer real technology driven functionality over over form.


RE: Guy needs to get shot already!
By techxx on 3/14/2013 4:16:59 PM , Rating: 5
What's funny is this so-called slightly outdated Android OS still resulted in a superior device to the iPhone. What does that say about iPhone? On paper, it sounds like Apple might have a valid point, but in reality, Apple knows they can't compete with the device which is why they compete in the courtrooms instead. (or lately, bad mouth competition as much as possible!)

Even if Apple products were worth buying, I don't know why anyone would want to support them just knowing about the anti-competitive tactics and freakishly desperate measures they take to achieve a monopoly they so badly want.


By CeriseCogburn on 3/18/2013 10:12:25 AM , Rating: 2

The point that really seems like it should grate the apple fanboys is the price raping they experience, every single time.

That apple stock controlling an entire wall street exchange - I guess the fanboys never watch the markets, because if they did, they would cry and whimper how badly they got raped, for years on end.

It's really astounding, immense greed incarnate, yet those OWS protesters loved showing off their iphones.

Talk about a disconnect.


RE: Guy needs to get shot already!
By JackBurton on 3/14/13, Rating: -1
RE: Guy needs to get shot already!
By occam49 on 3/14/2013 4:18:58 PM , Rating: 5
Excuses??? .. the Shill is making the excuses ... all he's got is a "newer OS" on obsolete H/W. His whole play is an excuse.

Where's the iPhone quad core, Where the iPhone 4G, where's the iPhone external SD, where's the iPhone removable battery .. where's the 2GB of RAM ... where ... where ... where?

The iPhone is now playing follow the leader

They must include stupid pills in every iPhone box. Looks like you must have taken yours and someone else too.

In fact 34% of iPhone users think they have 4G ... the stupid pills work better than the iPhone !!


RE: Guy needs to get shot already!
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/14/2013 4:21:18 PM , Rating: 1
Don't feel the troll....


RE: Guy needs to get shot already!
By occam49 on 3/14/2013 4:36:54 PM , Rating: 2
But they're so much fun


By Cheesew1z69 on 3/14/2013 4:42:26 PM , Rating: 2
lol


RE: Guy needs to get shot already!
By superflex on 3/14/2013 4:44:44 PM , Rating: 3
My twelve year old thinks the iPhone is cool, too.


By fteoath64 on 3/15/2013 6:23:32 AM , Rating: 2
They all do until they find out what it CANNOT do compared to JB 4.2!. This is a kicker for many who tries to wring the most out of their devices and demand functionality almost beyond what the hardware can provide sometimes.

It drive innovation in both hardware and software ending up with lower prices very capable devices to be had. Every exec wants their smartphone to replace thier PC and some managed it with a little compromise. It is a good thing from a personal perspective since the phone is so much more personal and available to the user at all times.


RE: Guy needs to get shot already!
By Rukkian on 3/14/2013 5:06:22 PM , Rating: 1
If apple had commercials with something other than fluff (wow we have siri, and an extra row of buttons), that I would understand.

I could see if you were comparing to the c-level exec at Samsung coming out saying "The iphone is stupid, I don't like it". Which is about what this guy is saying. If that happened, most here (not the fanbois) would be all over it.

Marketing has it place, without it, you dont go very far no matter how good the device is. This is not marketing, it just sounds like some idiot afraid for his job spewing crap from his mouth.


By Reclaimer77 on 3/14/2013 6:40:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If apple had commercials with something other than fluff (wow we have siri, and an extra row of buttons), that I would understand.


With Microsoft following suit. Nothing makes me want a Surface more than annoying hipster music and people jerking off with the snap-on keyboard. That tells you sooooo much about the product.


By cyberguyz on 3/14/2013 5:58:49 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I see no one had any issues with Samsung taking shots at Apple in their commercial though, right? They also had nothing to say of importance. But you didn't have a problem with it then.


The reason for that Mr Sheep is that most people actually like Samsung. The same can't be said for Apple.

Nice trollin' btw ;)


By Shadowself on 3/14/2013 7:34:28 PM , Rating: 1
Shiller is spouting opinions -- not facts. His opinion is that several variants of Android are bad. His opinion is that your telco (or non Google hardware vendor) having control over whether you get the latest version of Android or not is bad. His opinion is that one company building the OS and another building the hardware is bad. And so forth. He uses surveys and other statistics to back up his opinions. AND we've all heard the old saying by Disraeli, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Unfortunately, all the sides pick and choose the studies and statistics that support their opinions.

(Hell, there's a new statistic out just today that claims to show that the Android phone market is not growing as fast as it had been, and is actually flattening out. You can find a statistic to support almost any argument you want to make.)


L O freaking L
By cyberguyz on 3/14/13, Rating: -1
Viewpoint
By Nortel on 3/14/13, Rating: -1
RE: Viewpoint
By xti on 3/14/2013 3:11:00 PM , Rating: 1
hurry and install iShield app now, the DT mob is about to lynch you.


RE: Viewpoint
By marvdmartian on 3/14/2013 3:20:55 PM , Rating: 5
More likely that iDiots need an app called "iCry", for times like this! ;)


RE: Viewpoint
By GulWestfale on 3/14/2013 5:59:44 PM , Rating: 2
the argument does make sense, because schiller himself is not comparing the galaxy 3 or galaxy 4 against the iphone, he's comparing all androids to iphones when he says that there are fragmentation issues. this is of course ignoring the fact that a lot of android phones are simply too old to run newer versions, and the fact that older iphones cannot run newer versions of iOS either. computers from 1989 can't run windows 8, either. that is normal.

aside from that, samsung by itself has a greater marketshare than apple.


RE: Viewpoint
By txDrum on 3/14/2013 5:05:18 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Taking all the hardware manufacturers using Android, adding them together and comparing them to one companies sales is nonsense in any market. Acer, Amazon, Asus, HTC, Samsung, Sony, LG, Toshiba, Viewsonic, Motorola, Huawei, Lenovo, ZTE, Nook, etc... all added up, from every price point, and compared to one company... Apple. Fair fight? The argument doesn't even make sense...


Doesn't Samsung alone have ~33% worldwide market share or something?

Also: I don't know why everybody says Apple's hardware is obsolete >.< I'm an Android gone WP8 user, and the iPhone still has good hardware.

The A6 core outperformed everything pre 2013, and only now is it starting to get outdone (ghz war now is as stupid as it was with Pentium 4 vs AMD Thunderbird. 3Ghz is not uniformly faster than 1.6ghz). Same thing goes for their 1.3ghz core compared to 1.7ghz+ A9's and Krait. The A6 was still better in most things, although that's no longer the case. The new Snapdragon 600/800 should beat it, and Samsung's A15 cores will beat it (albeit at a higher power draw).

The GPU they put in their phones is still the best, although this is more Imagination's win than Apple's. LTE was late, but since it has LTE, it has LTE and it doesn't really get any better than that right now.

Personally, I can't stand a 4" screen, but the thing is certainly colorful (my brother has one). Just look at the charts on Anandtech, it does well for itself. And yeah it isn't 720p, but because of the smaller screen you still have a higher ppi than most 720p screens since Androids are so big. 1080p is a different matter of course, and Apple probably needs to boost to something like 900p to compete. (At minimum). And when you talk about screen size, that's surely a matter of opinion. 4.3" - 4.7" is perfect for me, anything bigger or smaller is just meh.

13MP camera still remains to be seen how good it will be. The front facing should be better though. If this is a generic 13MP camera though, I am fairly certain that the Lumia 920 and 928, and possibly the HTC One will outperform it though. It's probably better than the iPhone 5's camera though.

Lots of analysis haha... point being that Apple's hardware is certainly not obsolete. It's usually top of the line when it comes out(minus opinionated things like the screen size). And if other companies like Qualcomm couldn't beat Apple's 2012 core with their 2013 CPU, something would be wrong anyways.


RE: Viewpoint
By retrospooty on 3/14/2013 7:46:58 PM , Rating: 2
"Taking all the hardware manufacturers using Android, adding them together and comparing them to one companies sales is nonsense in any market. "

IF you are counting market share of a platform, yes it is how its done. If you are looking for a sincel makers share sorry again numbnuts. Samsung is the worlds largest smartphone manufacturer. No-one makes more or sells more.


RE: Viewpoint
By rs2 on 3/14/2013 8:28:48 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, it's exactly a fair fight when one company deliberately follows closed, proprietary, monopolistic business practices and its competitors follow a more open approach. The fact that only one company makes iOS devices is something Apple deliberately chose.

Furthermore, there's no evidence that if Apple allowed other companies to build and sell iOS devices that it would take market share away from Android/increase the overall market share for iOS. It's entirely possible that doing so would just cause fragmentation within Apple's current 20% holding.

When most people decide what phone to get, they don't start by saying "I want a Sony" or "I want the new HTC phone". The first thing they say is "I want Android" or "I want iOS". The number of different options available for each platform is largely irrelevant to that question.


RE: Viewpoint
By TakinYourPoints on 3/14/2013 8:42:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
they don't start by saying "I want a Sony" or "I want the new HTC phone". The first thing they say is "I want Android" or "I want iOS". The number of different options available for each platform is largely irrelevant to that question.


Not true, sales and customer mindshare point to something totally different. Samsung has done an amazing job creating a brand with the Galaxy. The only other company to do this is Apple with the iPhone. Motorola and (sadly) HTC have done a poor job creating a comparable brand. HTC in particular is a disappointment because their new hardware is really nice.

Most people (normals, not hardware geeks) don't go in thinking, "which Android am I going to get?", they go in thinking "I'm going to buy a Galaxy". Samsung didn't outspend Apple on marketing for nothing. Samsung's absolute domination in Android hardware marketshare is proof of that, despite the GS3 being inferior to HTC's hardware in many ways.

The Droid DNA and One X are great, but they will get absolutely clobbered by the GS4 on the back of marketing.

There have been rumors that Samsung may end up going with their own mobile operating system that isn't Android. While I think it is a ridiculous rumor and is not to be taken seriously, I also think that Samsung could totally get away with it if they wanted to. That's how strong their brand is with customers right now.


RE: Viewpoint
By spaced_ on 3/14/2013 11:34:17 PM , Rating: 2
Do you mean this ridiculous rumour? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen or some other?

It's not ridiculous at all really, Samsung are a smart company, they're hedging their bets at minimum. Likely they want to create their own ecosystem/s to integrate with all of their other appliances, their own store to compete with iTunes and Play (think of the $$$), etc. Having your own OS gives you much more power to do that. If it's better than Android, think of the power in the market they'd have when other manufacturers jumped on board.


RE: Viewpoint
By Wererat on 3/15/2013 10:38:02 AM , Rating: 2
I'm already really tired of everyone trying to create their "own ecosystem" -- all that means is "our stuff works with our stuff and nobody else's." That's one of the things that turns me off to Apple/iOS, but also to all the highly-customized Android phones that then stop getting updates after a few months. Similarly, people rake Amazon over the coals for its fork of Android with some merit.

The word they need is "interoperability" -- aka "our stuff is great AND it works with everyone else's stuff." Take, for instance, the Kindle ecosystem; you can get a Kindle e-reader, or a Kindle tablet, but you can also read Kindle books on iOS, Android, PC, or Mac and it's the same experience.


RE: Viewpoint
By TakinYourPoints on 3/16/2013 6:45:39 AM , Rating: 1
The positive of Samsung going with their own OS and ecosystem is that they're so dominant with the "what is there to buy other than an iPhone" crowd is that they could actually have a non-fragmented platform by splitting off from Android and using their own OS.

A unified platform with a lot of users would be massive for developers and improve the customer experience. A narrow set of mobile devices to optimize for is proven to be better than making less while supporting a fragmented platform. Bad displays and crappy UIs would still be standard, this is Samsung we're talking about, but at least the hardware/software stack would be unified.

I wonder how much of a neckbeard defection there would be if Samsung did this. For all the talk of Android being free and open around here, this place has a huge bias towards Samsung despite the fact that HTC is killing it with their hardware right now. These suckers totally eat up Samsung's marketing, only explanation why they'd pass up on better products that cost as much or less.

I still don't think Samsung will do this though, a break from Android would be so disruptive and risky that I'm not sure it'd be worth it.


RE: Viewpoint
By Reclaimer77 on 3/16/2013 9:23:51 PM , Rating: 2
lol you're so transparent it's not even funny. You're only hating on Samsung because they're Apples biggest competitor. Without Samsung, Android would be struggling and you know it.


RE: Viewpoint
By CeriseCogburn on 3/18/2013 10:18:47 AM , Rating: 2

Without Samsung anothre android manufacturer would have become them, so I disagree with the sentiment, although I do see how appl fanboy tries to move the flappy lipped loser ios talking points over to a "i wish android did this" side.

It's not working. Apple is losing, and I've seen that in person.
"Oh, how did you do that !? " says the appl fan to the one holding the android device. THAT'S what's going on in the real world.

The real world doesn't care about fragmentation or any of that crap - you click the google store and your device takes what works, most often for free - another thing the applheads hate.


RE: Viewpoint
By half_duplex on 3/18/2013 1:27:01 PM , Rating: 2
You accuse people of being applyheads or fanboys... but you talk like you're a foot soldier in the cell phone world war. I just don't see the point, Android/Samsung fans outnumber Apple in this thread nearly 10-1.

What bothers you so much about someone having a phone different than yours? It's a phone. The vast majority of iPhone users could care less what you think or what you chose to use... why do you care so much about what they use?


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