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Steve Jobs says Apple's changing the world again

MacWorld 2007 -- Apple today officially unveiled its iPhone which, as many had been hoping for, is quite a revolutionary product indeed. Steve Jobs heralded the iPhone as an industry-changing device that throws out old assumptions and conventions and brings in the new. With all of its features and design cues, the iPhone should prove to be an extremely hot device.

The largest feature on the plate for the iPhone is clearly its display. The iPhone packs a 3.5-inch display with a resolution density of 160 dpi, one of the sharpest screens in the industry. In fact, the screen takes up virtually the entire surface area of the iPhone. There's no keyboard or direction stick on the iPhone, just a big screen. The iPhone operates entirely on touch-screen technology and is something that Apple had been working on for a long time. DailyTech last reported that Apple had submitted filings with the FCC for touch screen technology involving intuitive gestures. Many assumed that the technology would be used in a next-generation iPod, but today it made its debut on the iPhone.

Users are able to navigate the iPhone by using a virtual keyboard that's smart enough to know when accidental tapping occurs. The screen also takes in gestures such as scrolling, pinching and stretching motions. The screen itself is also smart. The user interface automatically changes from portrait mode to landscape mode depending on how a user holds the phone. The virtual keyboard can be called up and tuckd away at any time.

Music is very much part of the iPhone and Apple does not disappoint. Integrated into the iPhone are all the usual iPod features that many users have come to love. Music and iTunes syncing, album artwork support, smart playlist features and, most importantly, movie playback. Steve Jobs demonstrated the iPhone playing back Pirates of the Caribbean 2 in full screen.

In terms of applications, the iPhone supports the usual set of smart-phone features: email, text messaging, web support, address books, photo, video and music playback. However, the iPhone uses smaller versions of applications already used on its Macs. Jobs demonstrated browsing the Internet on the iPhone using Safari -- full websites loaded very quickly and in full detail. Lest there be any doubt, the audience was definitely impressed by the iPhone's speed and rendering capabilities. Users can even pinch the screen to shrink webpages on the fly to fit the screen. Email capabilities are in full force too with support for such sophisticated features as full HTML email support and even IMAP supported through Yahoo! email.

The iPhone's operating system is based on a slim version of Apple's powerful OS X. One of the neatest features on the iPhone is the support for widgets -- the same tiny utility-type applications found on OS X's Dashboard. Jobs demonstrated navigating Google's virtual satellite mapping system and how easy it was to get around applications and widgets on the iPhone's touch-sensitive navigation system. Of course, being OS X, all graphical animations and transitions were silky smooth.

Jobs indicated that the iPhone was also a workhorse. The unit can talk for roughly 5 hours and play back audio for 16 hours. There will be two GSM models released, a 4GB model and an 8GB model, for sale at an introductory price of $499 and $599. As DailyTech previously reported, the iPhone is confirmed today to be a Cingular Wireless exclusive product. The demo iPhone that Jobs showed already had a Cingular log on it.

Official specifications:
  • Screen size: 3.5-inches
  • Screen resolution: 320 by 480 at 160 ppi
  • Input method: Multi-touch
  • Operating System: OS X
  • Storage: 4GB or 8GB
  • GSM: Quad-band (MHz: 850, 900, 1800, 1900)
  • Wireless data: Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0
  • Camera: 2.0 megapixels
  • Battery: Up to 5 hours Talk / Video / Browsing; Up to 16 hours Audio playback
  • Dimensions: 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches / 115 x 61 x 11.6mm
  • Weight: 4.8 ounces / 135 grams
The iPhone will begin shipping in June of this year.


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Cingular exclusive?
By s12033722 on 1/9/2007 2:28:11 PM , Rating: 4
Well, that kills it for me. That's too bad, since I was really looking forward to this on Verizon. Oh well.




RE: Cingular exclusive?
By Chadder007 on 1/9/2007 2:35:01 PM , Rating: 2
Same here. Cingular service around my area is crap and im not switching just for a phone. :(
Besides, with it being almost all screen...id probably drop and bust it within a week. lol


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By tuteja1986 on 1/9/2007 5:09:46 PM , Rating: 2
Way to expensive... I would rather buy an PS3 than iphone. They really need to release a mid end $299 version.


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By Steve Guilliot on 1/12/2007 3:34:19 PM , Rating: 2
How silly would you look holding a PS3 to your ear? Definitely not pocketable either.


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By Samus on 1/9/2007 5:22:07 PM , Rating: 2
Cingular service in general is crap. GSM in the United States is a complete joke of a technology. That's pretty much the only reason CDMA has lived on so long here.


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By drwho9437 on 1/9/2007 7:59:51 PM , Rating: 2
I think that depends very much where you live. I've had maybe 4 dropped calls in 3 years(?) on a GSM network.


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By Mithan on 1/10/2007 1:06:08 PM , Rating: 3
CDMA is technically supperior to GSM btw.


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By Shadowself on 1/9/2007 2:38:52 PM , Rating: 2
The screen supports "gestures" which use multiple fingers concurrently. Touch two fingers to the screen over the image of the browser and "pinch" them together and the image of the browser (the browser window) shrinks -- no trying to use "fat fingers" to try to latch onto the edge or corner of a browser window in order to shrink it.


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By MattCoz on 1/9/2007 6:16:22 PM , Rating: 2
It's 320x480, why would you want to shrink the browser window?


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By ScythedBlade on 1/9/2007 6:35:08 PM , Rating: 3
Well I think he wants full screen so he doesn't have to scroll that much. Y'know, zoom in zoom out ... that kind of stuff.


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By otispunkmeyer on 1/10/2007 4:10:20 AM , Rating: 2
should of been 640x480

my Axim's screen is what? 3.5-3.7inch and sports 640x480 res and its a blessing when using it for internet and video and in landscape - satnav gives you a very wide scope of the area you're driving in, how did i ever manage with 320x240? ill never know.

plus i thought samsung made 1.9inch displays with VGA res too>?


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By willow01 on 1/9/2007 7:08:37 PM , Rating: 2
More likely it will zoom the page. Resizing windows on a device like this is not worth it. What happened to the whole Cisco owning the iPhone name, when that was flying around the web people were saying that Apple would more likely call it something else.


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By dice1111 on 1/10/2007 9:33:24 AM , Rating: 2
I wonder if the phone would support the "gesture" I'd like to give it every time I get mad at Cingular's service...

Maybe start the "there-there, the contract will be over in a year" sympathy widget?


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By Pops on 1/10/2007 3:34:41 PM , Rating: 2
Im not sure if apple developed multi-touch, but here is a video from a while ago when it was under development.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_mBjOmq1kY


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By DEredita on 1/9/2007 3:33:26 PM , Rating: 2
Same here. Cingular in my area offers spotty service. Been a Verizon customer for years now - and the service has always been good. What gets me is the $599 with two year contract. For that - I much rather have a Mac Mini, and also land a free phone with two year contract (usually after rebates).

I am extremely disappointed by this year's keynote. I am both an Apple and PC user. I have two Macs (1 Core Duo and 1 Core 2 Duo) and two PCs - all equipped with 2 GB of ram. I was really hoping for a Core 2 Duo Mac Mini to be announced today. Overall - I am disappointed there were no new Macs announced today.

iPhone is cool, but in all honestly - it's a rich person's toy.

AppleTV is ok - but the price of it is starting to venture close to HD-DVD player land. Plus the price of the movies on iTunes are equal to that of what you'd pay in Best Buy or Circuit City for the same movie, which you'd have the disc with and could lend it to friends and family.



RE: Cingular exclusive?
By kkevin6154 on 1/9/2007 3:43:08 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. This phone is awesome, but it won't con me into returning to Cingular. I had horrible & extremely expensive service with Cingular. I'm with Verizon now and love it. I hope that Apple eventually realizes that having this phone exclusive to Cingular will hinder it's sales.

As for the $599 price, hopefully like all other phones the price will eventually drop (even though that's not in Apple's nature to lower prices on anything).


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By johnsonx on 1/9/2007 4:29:14 PM , Rating: 3
There's no way this phone is Cingular exclusive forever. Apple would charge way too much for that. I'd guess Cingular has exclusive rights for maybe 6 months. Verizon will have it (or a slightly different version) eventually.


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By drwho9437 on 1/9/2007 8:04:01 PM , Rating: 2
Yes I would suspect that as well. Like the Razr...

It is too expensive for the main stream, but that doesn't mean it won't be a commercial success, you just have to recoup the dev cost and make a profit on each sale. The second should be no problem with the price tag. The first no doubt will be defrayed by the next future iPods which will adopt some of the technologies in this phone.


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By slashbinslashbash on 1/9/2007 4:37:04 PM , Rating: 3
The reason for being a Cingular exclusive is that it has quite a few features that rely on network-side support. For instance, the "visual voice mail" where you can see all of your voice mail messages listed on your phone, by name of the person who left them (assuming they're in your contacts list). So you touch "Voicemail", see a list "Bob" "Lisa" and "Joe", touch "Joe" with your finger and hear the voicemail from Joe.

A similar app is the SMS messaging, which looks like iChat and is broken down into conversations with different people. Again, you touch "Messaging", see "Bob" "Lisa" and "Joe", and click "Bob" to see all of the SMS's that have been sent between you and Bob, scroll up and down through them, etc. just like in iChat or AIM, etc.

Also there is stuff like photo emailing (browse through your photos, touch "Email This Photo", select a contact from your contacts list and it's sent. Things like these are why it's exclusive to one carrier for now. I would expect them to broaden it later.

You all really should check out the Apple site. It's got a ton of videos demonstrating all the features. I'm really not a big phone guy, but so much of this stuff gets me excited. Google Maps on your phone FTW!


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By JCheng on 1/10/2007 3:57:48 AM , Rating: 2
Only the visual voicemail needs enhancements from the network, at least on first glance.

Threading SMS conversations--just group by telephone number and then do a reverse lookup for the contact name.

Email a photo to a contact--a lot of phones already offer this.


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By Nocturnal on 1/9/2007 5:33:56 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, if only they introduced it for all carriers that use GSM. I would have loved to use it as I'm switching back from Nextel over to T-Mobile. :(


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By AlexWade on 1/9/2007 5:51:26 PM , Rating: 3
It would be nice if it wasn't exclusive to Cingular, but at least Apple was smart enough to be GSM. America cell technology is still behind Europe in overall quality, including CDMA even though it is technically superior. I blame CDMA for our curse to be 2nd in cellphones because I've been to Europe and used my phone in Europe, and it was so much better than anything I've ever used.

By the way, I have Cingular and where I live, they have drastically improved quality. I never have a dropped call, seriously, never. I rarely have moments where I can't understand the other end. But I sometimes have calls go straight to voicemail. I wanted the phone to be non-Cingular to keep prices lower.


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By One43637 on 1/9/2007 6:29:58 PM , Rating: 2
yeah i'm trying to find a way around the Cingular exclusive myself. paying double/triple for an unlocked version doesn't appeal to me anymore.


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By BillyBatson on 1/10/2007 3:02:24 AM , Rating: 2
I wanted this thing for Sprint.
I don't care HOW cool this thing is, or could be. Cingular espeically here in LA and SoCal in general is too crappy for me to switch to just for a phone.


RE: Cingular exclusive?
By zeroslugfm on 1/14/2007 6:13:20 PM , Rating: 2
well in NewYork....Cingular's just fine. I'm more worried about availability once this phone launches.


Exactly what i was waiting for
By rykerabel on 1/9/2007 3:24:17 PM , Rating: 1
Well...
that it then.
no more excuses.
This is the exact phone I've been waiting for, but gah, its an Apple.

You can still play regular mp3's on these right? (Apple's proprietary tendencies makes me a little paranoid)




By sdsdv10 on 1/9/2007 4:28:51 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You can still play regular mp3's on these right?


Yes, I'm sure it can play mp3's. Every iPod every made can play mp3's, it is only the FairPlay locked AAC files from iTunes that are restricted to the iPod. Even the new Zune can play non-DRM'd AAC files. A little reading would go a long way to dispell your paraniod tendencies...


RE: Exactly what i was waiting for
By MobileZone on 1/9/2007 6:11:21 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't be so sure.

I gave up after 10 min last time I tried to put some mp3 files in my wife's pod. It was like opening a "secret box" full of tricks and blocks. With my Windows Mobile phone, I just drag, drop and leave home.

Videos? Ha, forget about them! You'll never see them on the pod's screen.


RE: Exactly what i was waiting for
By drwho9437 on 1/9/2007 8:15:33 PM , Rating: 1
That's because you are not very smart. You need a program that can interface with the data structures the device uses. Just because you like the idea of a directory based structure doesn't make that the best way to do things.


RE: Exactly what i was waiting for
By MobileZone on 1/10/2007 1:05:45 AM , Rating: 3
Who told you I put them into directories? I just drag and drop everything and the device does the job. This looks stupid and non-sense, isn't it?

How do you think itunes put files in the ipods drive? Encrypted? Oh, sorry, I forgot, you can not see what's in it's drive...


RE: Exactly what i was waiting for
By drwho9437 on 1/10/2007 6:22:28 AM , Rating: 2
You told me that. Drag and drop. If you don't create a subdirectory then you are just putting them in the root directory, and expecting the player to find them.

Apple's device doesn't dynamically look for files every time you turn it on. Instead it looks at a file iTunes.db I think, which contains pointers, more or less to the files on the device. iTunes and some 3rd party software know the format of this database.

You can in fact see everything on the drive, and nothing except DRM ACC files are encrypted to my knowledge (and you DL those encrypted in any case it has nothing to do with the iPod. I don't DL them for one, I use eMusic). To see everything on the drive you simply have to enable disk usage and ask windows or whatever OS to show files flagged hidden.

But in the end there is no point to see the music files. If add files without changing the database, it won't know they are there, and if you delete files, you will get an error on the iPod (though I believe it just bounces back to the main menu, if you try to play a file that isn't there)

The database approach is cleaner and quicker. See this website and everything else that uses a database to manage a large number of objects. If you have a small number of objects than dynamically building the database is ok, but in the iPods case it would have to scan what? 10000 perhaps files every start up. If you have any intelligence you will see that's a terrible idea...


RE: Exactly what i was waiting for
By MobileZone on 1/10/2007 6:16:35 PM , Rating: 2
No, I didn't. You're assuming that by yourself. And, yes, I do put them in the root of my player, which is not an apple product, for sure.

The idea of a time-wasting sync everytime you plug or unplug the player is not intelligent at all. Again, the player itself should do all the work.

If this website was run by any apple technology, it would be necessary a proprietary software called iPost to post messages here.

To post a message, you would need to open an executable file in your macos or windows, wait for a sync to "update the iPost.db", drag and drop the post files to the iPost window , press the "eject website" button and disconnect from the internet to "release the website".

If you had some kind of intelligence, you would clearly see that this way of connecting simple things (like a simple USB device, for example) is not good at all. Is ridiculous. Think different.



RE: Exactly what i was waiting for
By MobileZone on 1/10/2007 6:24:23 PM , Rating: 1
Also, if you had some intelligence or thought in a different and better way, you would clearly know why apple does that.

iPod's existence doesn't depend on iTunes at all.
iTunes's existence totally depends on iPod.


So they make some dumb people believe that they're using some cool thing to "drag and drop" files to the device.


RE: Exactly what i was waiting for
By oTAL on 1/16/2007 2:36:47 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, you called it a pod when you said:
quote:
I gave up after 10 min last time I tried to put some mp3 files in my wife's pod.


His mistake of understanding pod as ipod was created due to that misleading statement (unless you guys now call mp3 players "pods" - I'm not aware of that...).


RE: Exactly what i was waiting for
By ATC on 1/10/2007 12:18:56 AM , Rating: 2
No problem at all putting MP3 (and keeping them as MP3s) on an iPod. Been doing it for years.


RE: Exactly what i was waiting for
By sdsdv10 on 1/10/2007 11:22:21 AM , Rating: 2
I am sure. As others I stated, iPod's have been able to play mp3's from the start. My wife currently has >1200 mp3's on her 8GB Nano with ~2GB of free space. It is very simple.
I use manual music loading (not automatic synching).
1) Start iTunes
2) Connect iPod via USB cable
3) If necessary, add folder with mp3 files to iTune library.
4) Within iTunes, drag and drop desired mp3 files to Nano icon.
5) Close iTunes
6) Disconnect Nano
7) Listen to music....


RE: Exactly what i was waiting for
By MobileZone on 1/10/2007 6:51:14 PM , Rating: 4
7 steps? Wow...
With my non-apple player, all i do is:

1.Connect via Universal Serial Bus
2.Drag&drop
3.Disconnect

Last time with iTunes, iWent like this:

1.Started a proprietary program called iTunes
2.Connected via usb
3.iWaited for minutes to see that iCould already use iTunes
4.Realized that iTunes decided that my current music
folder was not the best choice for me and duplicated
everything in a hidden folder that took me some time to locate.
5.Deleted the new "iFolder" folder
6.Spent like 2 minutes to understand the no-so-clear iTunes menu to find a simple "preferences" item and tried to turn off the functionality that copies files to a new "iFolder" folder folder
7.Closed&opened again a proprietary program called iTunes.
8.Same thing happened again
9.Tried to figure out again why it happened
10.Could notice one more time that when you use an apple product or software, you must let it decide everything for you, so you don't do anything and the program takes control of everything, including the way you do things
11.Had to figure out how to drag & drop files to the player
12.iFound a confusing small iIcon that meant "sync"
13.iWaited for the iSync
14.The mp3 player(iPod) hanged and the iSync never ended
15.Unplugged the cable without knowing if it could blow the player and destroy that cute white glossy finish
16.Gave up and told my wife to throw her iPod in the iTrash.

Lesson learned again: With apple, there are no preferences. Never.

Let's imagine how a simple memory card would be used in a Mac..

1.Open iCardReader program
2.Put memory card in slot
3....

gotta go guys...


RE: Exactly what i was waiting for
By sdsdv10 on 1/11/2007 3:05:11 PM , Rating: 1
I will use your own words...

quote:
If you had some kind of intelligence,

you could learn to operate an iPod like the 30-40 million other people who bought then and used them without any issues what so ever. I figured it out in like 10-20 minutes. It took me less than 5 minutes to show the wife. If you don't like the iPod or iTunes, fine get something else. But don't blame Apple for your inability to use a simple electonic gadget, this is your problem not theirs.


RE: Exactly what i was waiting for
By MobileZone on 1/12/2007 4:09:00 AM , Rating: 3
If Apple Co. starts producing fire matches, It will be necessary for me to learn how to iLight them? Just because they won't light the usual way? And you will say I'm not intelligent because I prefer the simple things, even if they're not fashionable?

10 minutes to figure out how to drag and drop files means there's something wrong. 20 minutes means the software is crap.

iPod's interface is good and simple, but you must admit that iTunes is crap for much more than 40 million people.


RE: Exactly what i was waiting for
By jtesoro on 1/14/2007 3:11:37 AM , Rating: 2
While I think you have a lot of valid points which I agree with, I find it hard to argue against the market which clearly feels that iTunes is very simple to use. The iPod's success depended on a lot of things and one of them happens to be iTunes.

I have an iPod and manually move my mp3s (using iTunes) instead of using the automated sync functions. As far as I know, all of my friends use the automated stuff and find it super easy. Whenever they rip or download mp3s, they just add it to the iTunes library. Then the next time they charge their iPod via the USB port, it syncs automatically. It's unfortunate that for some reason you have a lot of trouble, but it seems that a huge majority are doing fine and the mp3 market is reflecting this.


Congratulations Cingular...
By Aesir on 1/9/2007 2:37:40 PM , Rating: 2
Well that confirms it... Cingular (soon to be AT&T) will undoubtedly become the monopolistic force in the cell phone industry. This phone plus the backing of AT&T means the others had better start merging or collaborating... and fast. Makes me really wish I wasn't chest-deep in Verizon.

Sure makes the other cell phone announcements at CES seem rather drab, no? A sliding Rarzr... well whoopedy doo...




RE: Congratulations Cingular...
By techspecialist23 on 1/9/2007 3:12:21 PM , Rating: 2
Apple + Cingular ..... Stay away ....


RE: Congratulations Cingular...
By thebrown13 on 1/9/2007 3:38:37 PM , Rating: 3
Apple = stay away.


RE: Congratulations Cingular...
By DEredita on 1/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: Congratulations Cingular...
By cochy on 1/10/2007 1:57:35 AM , Rating: 2
I can't think of one reason why you would say that.
They make cool products, it's almost a fact of life. Sure they have their issues, but who doesn't? This phone will sell cause it's so damn cool looking. Cingular must have paid through the roof to get exclusivity for this.


RE: Congratulations Cingular...
By DEredita on 1/9/2007 3:41:19 PM , Rating: 1
Verizon in my area offers much better cell phone reception than Cingular. This is the reason I use Verizon, because I find cell phone service to be much more important than having to jump to other companies that offer phones with lots of flash and trash.


RE: Congratulations Cingular...
By AstroCreep on 1/9/07, Rating: -1
RE: Congratulations Cingular...
By AstroCreep on 1/19/2007 3:07:14 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously, I received a -1 for stating what's observed by not only myself and many other people in my area, but a local newscast that did their own 'independent' research? :(

Screw you guys, I'm going home... :p


RE: Congratulations Cingular...
By kkevin6154 on 1/9/2007 3:48:16 PM , Rating: 1
As and added note Cingular switching to AT&T is only a name change. The only thing that Cingular has of AT&T is their wireless service. The "NEW" AT&T is really just SBC & Cingular using the AT&T name because they are thinking that using the AT&T name that it will improve their image. Behind the scenes they are still the same crooked SBC & Cingular but just purchased rights to the AT&T name.


By Oregonian2 on 1/9/2007 5:00:09 PM , Rating: 3
Not exactly.

Cingular has always been a joint venture of AT&T and SBC. The only difference now is that AT&T and SBC, the owners of Cingular, have now merged into a single company.


RE: Congratulations Cingular...
By JCheng on 1/10/2007 4:04:50 AM , Rating: 2
A sliding RAZR is something I can actually justify buying. The iPhone, on the other hand, starts at five hundred dollars . Hardly the stuff monopolies are made of.


Can you Say LAW SUIT?
By manowar9 on 1/9/2007 3:06:52 PM , Rating: 2
Cisco has owned the trademark on the name "iPhone" since 2000!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16288230/

I hope Jobs gets his rear taken to the cleaners!




RE: Can you Say LAW SUIT?
By TomZ on 1/9/2007 3:19:46 PM , Rating: 2
I'd be very surprised if Apple had not sorted this out already. Doing an existing trademark search is quick and easy, and is probably done in the first 5 minutes of deciding whether a new product name is worth further consideration.


RE: Can you Say LAW SUIT?
By vgermax on 1/9/2007 3:45:46 PM , Rating: 2
A search on the USPTO website shows three separate holders of a live iPhone trademark.


RE: Can you Say LAW SUIT?
By rushfan2006 on 1/9/2007 4:00:47 PM , Rating: 2
I'm too lazy to post the link right now but CNN provides a much more informational write up about this product that Daily Tech does.

I don't know what the USPTO site showing 3 holders for the iPhone trademark is all about, clearing Cisco is "THE" holder of the trademark. The CNN article states that Apple has been in discussions with Cisco over the use of the name, and then they quote a Cisco rep confirming they are expecting a signed agreement from Apple today.

So it sounds like a business deal has been reached over the name so I doubt highly any lawsuit will crop up over it -- unless apple at the last minute pulls out from the agreement the Cisco folks are talking about today, but this would be beyond stupid for Apple.

As for the phone itself -- whoopity do dah....but then again I just don't have it in me to get excited over any phone product -- it would have to project like holographic images of naked models or something for me to get excited over a phone.

Furthermore the idea of a touch screen for a phone -- friggin retarded. Not to mention try keeping your phone "clean" with that concept....you'll constantly be cleaning grease and finger print marks off the phone. That's just nasty.

As for service....I'm the opposite of most of you -- I left Verizon FOR Cingular....and Cingular has been FAR FAR better -- service wise (always a clear signal for me) and Cingular is a lot cheaper for me than Verizon was too.

Guess its just the area you live in...I hate Verizon.



RE: Can you Say LAW SUIT?
By Bootstrap on 1/9/2007 4:26:24 PM , Rating: 2
You're not alone. I used to have great Verizon service until I moved -- in this area, Verizon service was terrible. I switched to Cingular and there's no comparison, Cingular has been much much better.


RE: Can you Say LAW SUIT?
By masher2 (blog) on 1/9/2007 5:03:05 PM , Rating: 2
> "I don't know what the USPTO site showing 3 holders for the iPhone trademark...Cisco is "THE" holder of the trademark..."

No such thing as "the" holder of a particular trademark. An unlimited number of people can register the same trademark, as long as the markets are different.

Is a VOIP wireless phone a different market than a Cellular phone, and thus poses no chance of confusing the consumer? I'd hate to argue that one in front of a judge.


RE: Can you Say LAW SUIT?
By rushfan2006 on 1/10/2007 10:03:16 AM , Rating: 2
True..that was poorly worded by me.


RE: Can you Say LAW SUIT?
By kkevin6154 on 1/9/2007 3:51:40 PM , Rating: 2
"Cisco calls CNET News.com reporter with a statement about Apple's use of the term "iPhone" for its new product. "Given Apple's numerous requests for permission to use Cisco's iPhone trademark over the past several years and our extensive discussions with them recently, it is our belief that with their announcement today, Apple intends to agree to the final document and public statements that were distributed to them last night and that address a few remaining items we expect to receive a signed agreement today.""

Courtesy of CNET.com


Europe
By Mudvillager on 1/9/2007 2:27:54 PM , Rating: 2
The shipping date for Europe (Q4) is discriminating imo.
Will buy it anyhoo cus damn this phone really seems amazing.




RE: Europe
By Frank M on 1/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: Europe
By Frank M on 1/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: Europe
By Mudvillager on 1/9/2007 4:31:50 PM , Rating: 3
Well we in Europe always get to be last. Not long ago a Sony representative stated that "Europeans don't mind waiting".


RE: Europe
By Oregonian2 on 1/9/2007 4:55:23 PM , Rating: 2
Apple must have read that article and said: "Ok! that solves our problem!"

But more seriously, companies tend to roll things out in their home market first, so Apple's rolling out in the US first (IOW - elsewhere later) doesn't seem odd. Europe also can be harder to do a roll out for. Manuals and software need to be in multiple languages, for instance (along with marketing advertisements in multiple languages and made appropriate for the particular country. The EU may make things more unified, but I think still not the same as being a single country/culture).



RE: Europe
By jtesoro on 1/14/2007 3:31:25 AM , Rating: 2
Yup, it makes sense that Apple rolls it out in it's home market/area first. Similarly, companies like Nokia typically roll out their phones in Europe first. If I'm not mistaken, they usually roll out to Asia ahead of the US too.


RE: Europe
By drwho9437 on 1/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: Europe
By cochy on 1/10/2007 1:52:59 AM , Rating: 2
Right...I'm sure you're last in line when Nokia releases a cool new product. Apple's an American company. Unless they are doing a worldwide release expect them to release it in the backyard first. We here in Canada would be the ones to complain about cell phones. It seems to me that we are a good 3 years behind the rest of the world with the models available here.


RE: Europe
By rg33 on 1/10/2007 4:39:57 AM , Rating: 3
To be honest who cares if it's out later in Europe - we get better phones much quicker here all the time.

This phone for me is a bit of a let down. No 3G or even 3.5G for a start. The N95, which is out in the UK in a month or 2, is far superior. I guess it will appeal to apple fans though, or anyone who usually carrys an iPod nano + a phone.


Sounds cool...
By therealnickdanger on 1/9/2007 2:28:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Users can even pinch the screen to shrink webpages on the fly to fit the screen.

What exactly does this mean? Doesn't it already auto-fit the browser to the screen? I can't wait to check one out in person - not that I'll buy it - but just to play with it.




RE: Sounds cool...
By deeznuts on 1/9/2007 2:31:38 PM , Rating: 3
Touchscreen means more more dialing for me while driving by feel?


RE: Sounds cool...
By Chadder007 on 1/9/2007 2:48:19 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I didn't think about that. I dial by feel of the keypad too a lot of times. Touchscreen would suck for that....maybe they would have a good voice recognition tool built into it??


RE: Sounds cool...
By therealnickdanger on 1/9/2007 3:41:32 PM , Rating: 2
Wait for reviews... and a $499 price drop... LOL


RE: Sounds cool...
By borowki on 1/9/2007 9:24:11 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah. The engineering is amazing and the design superb, but I don't think this phone is practical. Thumb-typing text messages I imagine would be incredibly tough. I also wonder how visible the screen is in direct sunlight.


RE: Sounds cool...
By jtesoro on 1/14/2007 3:41:40 AM , Rating: 2
I didn't think of it, but definitely agree with the difficulty of using this for texting. This could hinder take-up in text-heavy countries (e.g. those in Asia and Europe).


Neat, but has one large problem
By creathir on 1/9/2007 2:36:49 PM , Rating: 3
The biggest problem this device has for it, is the fact it has no buttons. For a media player, that is awesome, for a phone, it SUCKS. I currently have a PPC-6700 and do like it a lot, but I cannot stand the ridiculous dialing. It is just about impossible to do without looking at it. The larger buttons will make it easier, but it still will not be as easy as a phone with buttons. Styling wise, I like the translucent look, it reminds me of my Zune UI. (Who knocked who off this time Apple?)

Beyond that, 8GB is nice to have in your phone, but I am curious as to how many enterprise class businesses would actually use this device. Given that it cannot integrate with Microsoft Exchange or RIMs Blackberry PIM network, I see this more becoming the it thing for Joey from Computer class, and not a serious contender in the world of Smart Devices. Maybe I am wrong, but it is just my honest opinion.

- Creathir




By DEredita on 1/9/2007 3:35:45 PM , Rating: 2
oily and/or greasy fingers would muck up the screen very quick.


RE: Neat, but has one large problem
By dice1111 on 1/10/2007 9:53:59 AM , Rating: 2
Like most things from Apple, I believe that these are geared towards the average consumer, not a business/enterprise customer base. Depending on the voice interaction and the business applications avaliable for it, I guess.

I qualify as an enterprise level business user and I'm really not completely impressed with an exclusive touch sceen interface. I use my key's feel for almost all of my dialing/text messaging. I wonder how much of an adjustment this will be...


By creathir on 1/11/2007 12:26:06 PM , Rating: 2
See, I am just not sure WHO its geared towards. The consumer almost, but then the $400-$500 price point puts it well beyond the reach of the "average consumer". I really see this device as a major setback for phones in general, given the lack of features for the price.
- Creathir


OS X
By R Nilla on 1/9/2007 3:06:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The iPhone's operating system appears to mimic many of the features found on Apple's OS X.


Isn't this because the iPhone runs OS X? The article does not seem to mention this.




RE: OS X
By TomZ on 1/9/2007 3:34:33 PM , Rating: 2
Probably not - more likely iPhone is based on the same OS as iPod, a custom OS made for Apple by Pixo.


RE: OS X
By vgermax on 1/9/2007 3:39:55 PM , Rating: 2
The phone runs OS X, as stated during the keynote, and in the product specs.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html


RE: OS X
By TomZ on 1/9/2007 3:57:16 PM , Rating: 2
That's very cool - glad to be wrong about that.


Typical American cellphone
By TheMaster on 1/9/2007 6:46:00 PM , Rating: 2
Years behind the cell phones that are available in Europe and Asia at the moment.




RE: Typical American cellphone
By dagamer34 on 1/9/2007 6:56:00 PM , Rating: 2
Ehh? I thought we were over this "convergence" crap. I want a widescreen iPod ONLY, not a phone to go with it. Then you start getting these silly "exclusive contracts" and insane prices.

I think we all learned from the PSP that if you don't focus on doing one thing well, the competition will quickly burn you alive.


RE: Typical American cellphone
By sdsdv10 on 1/10/2007 11:51:35 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Years behind the cell phones that are available in Europe and Asia at the moment.


Please explain and give examples. What European or Asian phone has a bigger screen, higher resolution, more memory, more battery life? Yeah, I know no 3G speeds, but that will come. With Wifi, I don't need 3G while at home for surfing the web. I will just use my existing wireless network.


RE: Typical American cellphone
By jtesoro on 1/14/2007 3:55:06 AM , Rating: 2
It'll probably depend on what you're looking for. For some people, it not having 3G automatically makes it inferior. Some will look for a higher-res camera and so on.

I think the iPod pushes some things beyond what's on current phones right now. That it does it in a super cool way doesn't hurt too!


WOW!!
By coffeeboy on 1/9/2007 3:56:50 PM , Rating: 2
My understanding is that the new Cingular is going to be VAST! We happen to have crappy Verizon were I am, US Cellular is the only one around here that anyone can use if you travel around. I WANT ONE! Cingular is catching up fast, and soon will be everywhere. That is why Jobs went with them.




RE: WOW!!
By johnsonx on 1/9/2007 4:42:19 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
That is why Jobs went with them.


No, No, NO! Cingular paid Apple for exclusive rights to the phone for a limited time. Cash makes Cingluar Jobs' new best friend, not any opinion he has about whether or not Cingular is the greatest phone company on the planet.


Partnering with anyone is bad for consumers
By jmunjr on 1/9/2007 5:14:56 PM , Rating: 2
I read an article not long ago that said Apple had a chance to change the cell phone industry. Basically by NOT partnering with anyone and selling the phone on its own people would then have a choice to use whoever they wanted with the iPhone.

They had a chance to change the industry. I suspect the phone was not good enough to do it, so they partnered with someone to have it subsidized.. Apple sold out people.

here are some articles:
http://gigaom.com/2006/11/16/iphone/
http://tinyurl.com/ycmjlp
http://tinyurl.com/y2tleh




By MattCoz on 1/9/2007 6:56:35 PM , Rating: 2
Not good enough? This phone is light years ahead of any other phone on the market. It's definitely good enough, but the cash from Cingular was better.


By radams on 1/10/2007 11:52:43 AM , Rating: 2
A publicly traded company "selling out"? Say it ain't so, Steve!



Choice of carrier
By agent2099 on 1/9/2007 7:01:34 PM , Rating: 2
Guys I wouldn't count on this coming to Verizon.


The reason it's Cingular exclusive is because Apple wanted to used the GSM technology so it has potential as a world phone. Rumor was that Apple was deciding between Cingular and T-Mobile. For me that is fine as GSM coverage in Southern California has been allot better than Verizon.

The price DOES seems steep, but you have to consider from Apple's point of view this phone is probalby replacing your Ipod, Phone, and PDA.

This phone is not targeted at people who want "free phones" after rebates. It's clearly targeted more towards the smartphone crowd.




RE: Choice of carrier
By JCheng on 1/10/2007 4:11:18 AM , Rating: 2
The (arguably) best smartphone, the Blackjack, today costs $199 with a 2-year Cingular contract. By June who knows, maybe $150 for the best smartphone with the next version of Windows Mobile.

The smartphone crowd is mostly businesspeople, and others who use their devices for work. The iPhone is targeted towards those who just want sexy, and are willing to pay for it.


RE: Choice of carrier
By sdsdv10 on 1/10/2007 11:30:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The iPhone is targeted towards those who just want sexy, and are willing to pay for it.


If what happened with the RAZR is any indication, there are quite of few of those people too! I don't have any links, but many have stated that whent the RAZR came out it was going for ~$400 with 2 year contact, and this put off very few. The iPhone has a lot more capability than the RAZR ever had. Not saying it's going to sell well, but history would seem to suggest that high prices in this market are not always a deterent.


By rushfan2006 on 1/9/2007 4:57:43 PM , Rating: 1
The way you guys talk on here about it being a Cingular Exclusive, makes one think you guys never heard of any company in the history of business ever making an exclusive deal with another company. This is nothing but business, pure and simple....open and shut.

Why this angers some of you is just amazing to me. Shit happens. Sometimes the company you WANT to offer something isn't the one that gets the exclusive deal. Hell I'd love for my cable tv provider to have the sports packageds that DirectTV has , but they can't -- because its EXCLUSIVE to DirectTV.

I'm sure given enough time I could think of more examples of exclusive deals as well. It's business 101 stuff.





By jmunjr on 1/9/2007 8:25:39 PM , Rating: 2
Right, the exclusive deal DirecTV has with the NFL is BAD for consumers. We don't have a choice - less competition. What makes it worse is the NFL has a legal monopoly yet can make deals like that. This is why I have not bought an NFL ticket..well...ever! If the NFL were a true business then I could understand, but they aren't. They get huge tax breaks, the majority of the infrastructure paid for by the people, and get to do business in an unfair manner with absolutely no threat from competition. Oh and if a team doesn't get what it wants from a city, it moves!

When companies make exclusive deals like this the consumer is not #1 on their list..


By rushfan2006 on 1/10/2007 10:10:11 AM , Rating: 2
This is an oddly worded comment to reply too as I'm not sure you are truly saying if you agree or disagree with exclusive deals. Sounds more like commentary. Which is ok, just ocnfusing...given my statement...lol.

Either way exclusive deals are a part of business-- personally I don't view them as "wrong" (or even "right" to be honest)...its just business...that's all. It's perfectly legitimate and legal.


Only 480x320
By Rad T on 1/9/2007 7:21:53 PM , Rating: 2
Does anyone else find this not enough? My wife's PDA is 640x480 and that is barely OK for web browsing.




RE: Only 480x320
By jmunjr on 1/9/2007 8:39:52 PM , Rating: 1
Maybe you should get a phone with a 17" screen...


RE: Only 480x320
By sdsdv10 on 1/10/2007 11:54:47 AM , Rating: 2
This maybe true, but it is certainly better than just about any other smartphone (it direct competitors) out on the market. Most are still QVGA (320x240) with a few being 320x320. 160ppi is already give a pretty fine pixel size. Plus the screen can not get much larger and still be easily portable.


Cingular?
By Murst on 1/9/2007 3:33:59 PM , Rating: 2
I don't see how they can only allow this to be used on the cingular network. Its GSM, so any network that supports the frequencies should be able to use the phone. They may be some software lock, but that would probably be just as easily disabled as current phones.

Not to mention that there was a court ruling not too long ago which basically let people carry their phones over to other networks.

Sure, you might have to go to a Cingular store to buy one, but nothing should prevent you from unlocking it.




RE: Cingular?
By lufoxe on 1/9/2007 4:14:28 PM , Rating: 2
you are correct sir, the only thing I wonder though is... they gave the price AFTER a 2 year contract... how about with it? if it's more than $230 might as well buy the phone and break the contract


Too expensive too late
By encryptkeeper on 1/9/2007 5:01:05 PM , Rating: 2
"It's bad out there today," says Jobs of mobile Web browsers. "It's a real revolution to bring real Web browsing to a phone."

Already been done. And for a lot less. And through Verizon. But this is a good step forward. Phone/Internet Access/Itunes on the go is great, but I don't want to be limited to just the Apple model.




RE: Too expensive too late
By sdsdv10 on 1/10/2007 11:46:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Already been done. And for a lot less. And through Verizon.


Links please. I went to Verizon's website. The biggest screen if found was 2.8" (compared to 3.5" for iPhone). The highest resolution I found was 320x320 of the Treo 700p (compared to 320x480 for iPhone). The most memory in any smartphone was 128MB (compared to 4 or 8GB for iPhone), although most were expandable this would require extra expense. Yeah some of Verison's smartphone are $200 with 2 year contact, but all the Treo 700's(the ones with the closest resolution 320x320 and screen size 2.8") listed are $399 with 2 year contact ($499 - $100 discount, $499 is the same list price as the 4GB iPhone). Your statement just doesn't seem to match up with the facts.


for that much
By S3anister on 1/9/2007 7:25:32 PM , Rating: 2
i'd rather buy a PS3




RE: for that much
By 05SilverGT on 1/9/2007 7:48:48 PM , Rating: 2
No joke this phone kind of makes the PS3 look like a bargin. lol


No. Just, no.
By vdig on 1/9/2007 3:50:16 PM , Rating: 1
Sometimes I wonder about Apple. Why do they insist that it has to be that one provider? If I can't use it up here in Canada... well, the price is pretty bad too. I wonder if Microsoft and/or other companies can pull a device to counter this while it is weak.

At least a portable media storage uni, er... the video iPod is relatively worth the money compared to this.




RE: No. Just, no.
By johnsonx on 1/9/2007 4:37:08 PM , Rating: 2
Because Cingular gave them a truck full of cash, that's why. The phone companies fight over who gets exclusive rights to each new 'hot' phone, and the fight is won with cash. Such exclusivity deals usually seem to last 3 to 6 months; after that expect other carriers to offer the phone as well.

It has nothing to do with what Apple insists or doesn't insist on.


All touch screen... 100% fragile...
By CrazyBernie on 1/9/2007 4:57:13 PM , Rating: 1
Am I the only one who doesn't see this phone lasting little more than a week or so before breaking? Sure, it's a novel idea, but having a giant touchscreen as your only method of input? Seems less like a phone and more like a PDA.




By TomZ on 1/10/2007 11:40:52 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, one drop on a hard surface, and it's all over for that phone. I've dropped my current LG phone dozens of times and it still works just fine.


iphone w/o the phone
By vgermax on 1/9/2007 3:04:05 PM , Rating: 2
Music players integrated w/phones always struck me as slightly odd. Having the battery die on your mp3 player is tolerable. Having the battery die on your phone is significantly more problematic. The benefit of both devices in one form factor would, for me, be offset by the detriment of having one battery for both. Still, it does look pretty spectacular. If only they would sell one w/o the phone features....




Really innovative?
By velveteen on 1/9/2007 3:07:22 PM , Rating: 2
imho - if Apple really wanted to innovate the American market they would have worked to get the cell phone companies here onboard with the smart chip technology that dominates in Asia - then no one would be forced to use Cingular to get their pretty, pretty product. A product like this might have been just the thing to really change things, but alas... not quite.




Cingular... YUCK!
By idahobirdhunter on 1/9/2007 3:19:20 PM , Rating: 2
That kills me too.... Verizon is the only phone that works here..... Rats.... Come on Apple... Add other companies!




unusual for him
By msva124 on 1/9/2007 3:48:35 PM , Rating: 2
I love how he's being so modest about it.




SIM
By Visk on 1/9/2007 3:56:03 PM , Rating: 2
Does the SIM card go in that little slot on the side of the iPhone?

I hope you can change it...because I'd love to upgrade my phone to that thing without having to change plans.




By msva124 on 1/9/2007 3:58:06 PM , Rating: 2
Make a phone like the ipod. That does one thing and does it well. For the ipod that was playing music. For a phone it is calling people.

Unfortunately for Apple, the cellphones that are out there right now are pretty decent. There is a lot of bloat and useless features but you can ignore them if you want. I just open it up, dial the number and press send. Task complete.




By RMSistight on 1/9/2007 4:37:11 PM , Rating: 2
This phone would be awesome if it came with GPS and DVD-like recording...like the Nokia N95.




Way too expensive
By daftrok on 1/9/2007 5:13:05 PM , Rating: 2
This price won't last for long. Especially if the camera is only 2 megapixels and the memory is only 8 GB.




3G?
By spazmedia on 1/9/2007 6:18:43 PM , Rating: 2
Is 3G not available in the US? It seems like something they should include. Not to mention GPS, flash and maybe a radio.




Damn Cingular
By shaw on 1/9/2007 11:12:06 PM , Rating: 2
Cingular's service stinks, but they get all the best cell phones!




This junk? Really?
By afkrotch on 1/10/2007 12:37:41 AM , Rating: 2
Ya, I've got a NTT Docomo P901iS phone. Works great. Email, messaging, internet, mp3, vids, tv, camera, microSD, games, can be used as train pass, can be used as credit card, can be used to unlock doors, can be used as a tv remote, bar code reader, and a slew of other features. It cost me 5000 yen (just under $50 USD) for the phone. Also the phone is outdated by a couple of years. The 903i series phones have been released a while back, adding more features to the already huge list.

I'm sorry, but the most advanced phones are sitting in Japan. Why not, instead of coming out with a stupid touchscreen phone, try to bring the features the Japanese currently have on cheap $50 phones to the US.

It kills me every time I have to go to the states for classes, family visits, etc. I would like to get a cheap vodaphone to use in the states, but they all have crap for features. Even the highest end models have crap for features. Instead, I ended up just paying for worldwide use on my phone.




By Roy2001 on 1/10/2007 2:11:36 AM , Rating: 2
So it has the same name as Linksys iPhone?




By crystal clear on 1/10/2007 2:49:32 AM , Rating: 2

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Wny isn't it available in brown?
By shuttleboi on 1/10/2007 3:16:58 AM , Rating: 2
Everybody loves brown! Microsoft said so.




Apple slammed by Cisco
By Anosh on 1/10/2007 8:11:39 PM , Rating: 2
well it's official! Apple sued for usage of iPhone trademark.. who didn't see this coming?




By cj100570 on 1/10/2007 9:21:37 PM , Rating: 2
The UK's BBC News is reporting that network hardware manufacturer Cisco has filed suit against Apple regarding the company's use of the iPhone name. Cisco has had ownership of the iPhone trademark since 2000, and Cisco's Linksys subsidiary recently launched a VOIP phone that it calls the iPhone.

Cisco states that it has been in negotiations with Apple over Apple's planned use of the trademark for several years and that the two companies have failed to reach an agreement.




Almost Forgot....
By cj100570 on 1/10/2007 9:24:16 PM , Rating: 2
Today at a small luncheon meeting at the 2007 International CES show in Las Vegas, Cingular's Glenn Lurie, President of National Sales Distribution, briefed the press on further details regarding the new Apple iPhone and the business arrangements between Apple and Cingular. An Apple representative was originally scheduled to appear at the meeting, but turned out to be a no-show.

Cingular stated that the iPhone saga started nearly two years ago when Steve Jobs placed a call to Cingular's CEO, Stan Sigman. Apple at the time was looking to further the relationship that the two companies established while working together with Motorola on the original iTunes cable phone, the ROKR E1. Apple supposedly tested Cingular a bit early on to see how well it could keep a secret, and apparently as of the launch at Macworld yesterday, only 3 people from Cingular had ever actually seen the device. Cingular's Lurie stated that they were put in the unusual position of having to gain approval for the Apple deal from the Cingular board of directors while not being able to actually show its members any hardware.

This hints at just how much Apple was, and remains today, in the driver's seat when it came to a potential iPhone deal. While Cingular does have a multi-year exclusive deal with Apple to sell the device, Apple has been responsible for defining the phone's specifications, setting the price, and building the user interface. Apple is also responsible for the decision to not allow any 3rd party applications to be installed on the iPhone, as well as the decision to not include 3G data support in the initial iPhone. The fact that there will only be only on-screen AT&T or AT&T/Cingular branding, and no such markings on the exterior of the iPhone, also shows that this really is Apple's baby, and that Cingular is just happy to have been invited to tag along for the ride.

The iPhone will be available at Apple and Cingular retail stores, online, and, at Apple's discretion, possibly even eventually offered at large retailers such as Walmart. The only way to obtain one will be to enter a new 2 year service agreement with Cingular, or to extend an existing agreement for 2 years. The device will be locked, and Cingular's Lurie joked that Apple's engineers would be looking at ways to prevent unlocking once the device is released, something that would not be all that surprising.

Cingular hinted that they might offer iPhone specific data plans, though they gave no specifics. They promised more information when the release date gets closer. When asked about that release date, and whether or not it was a firm June date, Glenn Lurie stated that Apple was fully in control of the timeline, seeming to say that if there are delays, it will not be Cingular's doing.

Glenn Lurie stated that the iPhone would likely be offered with a 1 year warranty, similar to current iPods. First tier tech support for the iPhone will come from cross-trained Cingular reps, with higher level iPod related issues being passed on to Apple personnel.

When asked about the very high price point set by Apple for the handset, Lurie asked the audience how many of them owned phones, how many had smartphones, and how many additionally had an iPod. He then suggested that it was not that much of a stretch to pay $200 above the cost of a Palm Treo 750 to get the added iPod functionality in one device. That claim seems a bit weak, however, when you consider that the iPhone by many definitions is not truly a smartphone and will not be able to offer the same functionality found in most such devices - thanks largely to Apple's decision to keep 3rd party developers out of the box. Lurie did reiterate that the iPhone is primarily an iPod. Steve Jobs himself called it the best iPod ever. It seems more fair to look at the iPhone as an iPod with added phone functionality, much as how cameraphones are primarily phones with camera features added and not nearly as capable when taking photos as are dedicated cameras. Especially when you consider that the iPhone will not even support over the air music downloading. All media must be side-loaded to the device, just as is the case with the current iPod offerings.

No matter what its limitations might turn out to be, however, it seems certain that at least the initial iPhone will be a huge success due to Apple's brand loyalty. While Lurie was restricted from making any comments on 2007 sales projections for the device, Apple's Jobs stated that they expect 10M unit sales in 2008.




iCall?
By MobileZone on 1/11/2007 4:43:02 AM , Rating: 2
Will I have to install in my computer a software called iCall to make calls with this PDA?

They lost the chance to make something way classy and thin like the Nano with a sliding keyboard... This looks like those old iPaqs... Ooops, can HP still use the brand "iPaq"?




Big Deal
By allst1 on 1/15/2007 5:32:24 AM , Rating: 2
It's not like customers have a choice, on the company's final decision, on what the naming of its new device will or will not be. Whether they name it phone-i or iphone or apple phone, customers aren't really to fussy or have been given much choice.

However brands do put people off if they sound retarded or complex enough to confuse the average Joe.

Take the few new realesed products that don't favor well with me: Names: Zune, Wii, but it has the features in the end people could careless what it was named as long as it did something that other's on the market have failed to do or is an innovation.

So in the end whether this be called a-phone or i-phone consumers if they see this as a truly innovative gadget then Name of product has very little influence on the consumer market.

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allst1




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