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13.3" MacBook  (Source: Apple)

15.4" MacBook Pro  (Source: Apple)

13.3" MacBook, 13.3" MacBook Air, and 15.4" MacBook Pro  (Source: Apple)
Jobs opens the floods gates for new Mac notebooks

The buildup to a new Apple product release is usually accompanied by anxious anticipation from the Mac community along with continuous speculations from news outlets around the world. Over the past few years, actual product leaks leading up to an Apple product launch of have been few and far between. This changed somewhat with lead up to the iPod nano 4G and iPod touch 2G.

However, the continuous leaks for the new MacBook and MacBook Pro were quite plentiful. First, news spread around the internet about the notebooks' use of a new manufacturing process. Then there was the news of the use of NVIDIA's MCP79 single-chip chipset instead of Intel's northbridge/southbridge arrangement. Next came numerous pictures showing the outer casing of the 13.3" MacBook and 15" MacBook Pro. Shortly after, a blurry picture of an actual 15" MacBook Pro and its retail box was shown to the web.

Then, this morning, a picture showing the bottom of the case and its removable battery/hard drive bay was leaked onto the web. The proliferation of leaks is surely not welcome news to Steve Jobs, as he runs a tight ship in order to keep the Mac faithful begging for more at each keynote reveal.

This afternoon, however, Steve Jobs confirmed all of the rumors preceding the launch of the 15.4” MacBook Pro and 13.3" MacBook.

The MacBook Pro features an aluminum body, LED-backlit display, iSight camera, backlit keyboard, stereo speakers, magnetic latch, and a sudden motion sensor. The ports selection includes a MagSafe connector, GbE, Firewire 800, two USB ports, ExpressCard 34, and a mini-DisplayPort connector. A slot-loading optical drive is included on the right-hand side of the notebook. Apple will also offer an SSD option for the MacBook Pro for those in need of an extra boost in storage performance.

The new MacBook Pro incorporate a GeForce 9400M graphics core -- the graphics core takes up 70% of the single-chip die. According to jobs, the GeForce 9400M is five times faster than the previous integrated Intel chips that previous Apple notebooks have used.

In addition, the MacBook Pro also features a discrete GeForce 9600M GT (256MB or 512MB GDDR3) for heavy-duty graphics needs. Battery life is rated at five hours with the integrated GeForce 9400M part and four hours with the discrete GeForce 9600M GT.

One of the most intriguing features of the new notebook is the lack of any trackpad buttons. Instead, the multi-touch surface is made of glass and serves as a large “click” button for interaction with the OS X user interface. The trackpad itself is 39% larger, multi-button presses can be configured via software, and new four-finger gestures are now registered.

Jony Ive talked about the new design process used for the MacBooks. As previously detailed on DailyTech, Apple starts with a solid piece of aluminum and removes pieces to get to the final shape. By starting from a single piece, Apple is able to create a stronger structure than previously possible for notebooks. In the case of the MacBook Air, a 2.5-pound aluminum brick was whittled down to 0.5 pounds for the notebook's body/structure.

All leftover pieces of aluminum are then recovered and recycled.

The 0.95" thick MacBook Pro will start at $1,999 with a 15.4" screen, 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo processor, 256MB GeForce 9600M GT graphics processor, 2GB of DDR3 memory, 250GB HDD, and a SuperDrive. An additional $500 will get you a 2.53GHz processor, 512MB GeForce 9600M GT graphics processor, 4GB of DDR3 memory, and a 320GB HDD. Both are available to order today.

Steve Jobs also took the time to introduce a next generation MacBook which also incorporates aluminum construction, the large glass multi-touch trackpad, and an integrated GeForce 9400M. Battery life is rated at five hours.

Pricing starts at $1,299 for the 13.3" MacBook with a 2GHz Core 2 Duo processor, 2GB of DDR3 memory, 160GB HDD and slot-loading SuperDrive. A $1,599 price tag bumps those specs to 2.4GHz and 250GB along with the addition of a backlit keyboard.

Apple also announced that the MacBook Air would be on the receiving end of the GeForce 9400M graphics processor, a new 120GB SATA HDD, and a Mini DisplayPort connector. $1,799 buys you a 1.6GHz Core 2 Duo processor-equipped model with the aforementioned specifications. Stepping up to the $2,499 model will get you a 1.86GHz Core 2 Duo processor and a 128GB SSD. Both will be available in early November.

And one more thing… Steve Jobs also announced that the previous generation MacBook is dropping in price from $1,099 to $999.

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By rninneman on 10/14/2008 2:01:45 PM , Rating: 5
Why would Apple f*** over their pro customers by not offering a matte screen option on the Pro models? What were they thinking?

RE: Disappointing
By silversound on 10/14/2008 2:03:18 PM , Rating: 2
what is a matte screen option? LED backlight?

RE: Disappointing
By rninneman on 10/14/2008 2:05:38 PM , Rating: 4
The matte screens have virtually no glare compared to their glass counterparts. The glass also affects color accuracy. Graphics professionals generally prefer matte screens.

RE: Disappointing
By GTaudiophile on 10/14/2008 3:08:42 PM , Rating: 5
My 3-year-old HP zt3000 laptop has a beautiful 15.4" matte screen. I personally cannot stand glossy screens. Who still makes matte screens for laptops?

RE: Disappointing
By GoodRevrnd on 10/14/2008 3:29:45 PM , Rating: 2
My new Vaio Z has one of the best looking Matte screens I've ever seen on a laptop. But you're right, they're pretty few and far between these days.

RE: Disappointing
By quiksilvr on 10/14/2008 4:47:13 PM , Rating: 5
Wait, you guys are pissed about not having a matte screen option? How about the never ending ridiculous pricing scheme?

13" Macbook:
For $300 extra you get a bump to 2.4 GHz and 90 GB. On the base $1299 model, an upgrade from 160 to 250 GB is 100 FREAKING BUCKS!...WHY?! Last time I checked, 1 GB of HDD space was LESS than a dollar not MORE. And even worse, if you just want a speed bump and not space, you are FORCED to pay $300 just to upgrade from 2.0 to 2.4. Again, ONLY HAVE ONE BASE MODEL AND CUSTOMIZE FROM THERE AND STOP RIPPING OFF YOUR CUSTOMERS.

It gets worse: because of their idiotic mini display port, you have to pay 30 BUCKS just to get an adapter to DVI or VGA...that's right! You don't get both for 30, EACH cost 30.

15.4" Macbook Pro
OMFG...really? REALLY? For 500 bucks you get a whopping bump from 2.4 to 2.53, 2 extra GB of RAM and 70 GB of space...oh and 256 MB bump on the video card but its redundant because you have 4 freaking GB of RAM. Who prices these things? Do they even think it through? Oh and its still 2 freaking grand for the base model. Yeah...REALLY affordable Apple.

RE: Disappointing
By johnadams on 10/15/2008 7:48:57 AM , Rating: 3
Damn straight!
Apple is synonymous to "pretty fashion for reckless spenders".

RE: Disappointing
By IvanAndreevich on 10/15/2008 2:22:01 AM , Rating: 2
Lenovo ;)

RE: Disappointing
By overlandpark4me on 10/14/2008 10:27:42 PM , Rating: 2
I wont buy a laptop without a matte screen. The gloss screens are so annoying. Try looking at a Razr outside and you'll get the picture. Why this got popular I'll never know, but it makes the laptop unusable outside, or any business I frequent with windows.

RE: Disappointing
By IvanAndreevich on 10/15/2008 2:24:16 AM , Rating: 2
I've been reading from a laptop for years on a bus. Completely agree with you there. Matte screens are gold.

RE: Disappointing
By SpaceJumper on 10/14/08, Rating: 0
RE: Disappointing
By luhar49 on 10/14/08, Rating: 0
RE: Disappointing
By BZDTemp on 10/15/2008 5:54:58 PM , Rating: 2
Not everyone is in a black hole and besides what would want Apple to do instead. Stop production?

RE: Disappointing
By omnicronx on 10/14/2008 2:43:09 PM , Rating: 4
Ya that's pretty ridiculous, I can't stand the glass screens. I am sure any high end video editing/graphic design users will not be happy. Not to mention you might as well not even try to use the thing outside.

RE: Disappointing
By Chadder007 on 10/14/2008 4:36:12 PM , Rating: 3
Im certainly not happy....WTF pricing this time around too?
They went up on the price, took away firewire on the Macbook, and lowered the speed a tad for the processor along with no options at all for a matte screen even on the Pro?
One of the worst updates ever from Apple.

RE: Disappointing
By kelmon on 10/14/2008 3:02:31 PM , Rating: 3
With respect, it might be best to see the screens first before deciding whether they are a problem or not. I tend to agree with you, given previous screens, but I'm going to wait until I have seen one of these new laptops in the flesh before decrying it.

RE: Disappointing
By kelmon on 10/15/2008 7:15:46 AM , Rating: 2
Despite the fact that I'd still prefer people to handle the products for themselves before mouthing off about them, you can ignore the suggestion that Apple might have solved the glare problem:

The pictures in that article clearly show that you could use the screen as a mirror. Even one of the editors at MacWorld has stated that due to this he will no longer buy an Apple portable. Apple may well have scored an own-goal on this one.

RE: Disappointing
By Some1ne on 10/14/2008 3:37:29 PM , Rating: 5
Where have you been? Fucking over their customers is pretty much all Apple does.

RE: Disappointing
By hiscross on 10/14/2008 8:48:02 PM , Rating: 1
you are such a sad person.

RE: Disappointing
By Some1ne on 10/15/2008 1:40:47 AM , Rating: 3
You're clearly mistaken. I use a PC, and am quite happy with it.

RE: Disappointing
By hiscross on 10/15/2008 7:29:39 PM , Rating: 1
Hey, I don't care if you are happy whatever you use, it's the language you use that tells me your character. Just say I don't like Apple and be done with it. Now, wouldn't that show more character?

RE: Disappointing
By gyranthir on 10/15/2008 9:03:38 AM , Rating: 2
From what I can tell Apple fans like to take it, they like it rough, that's why they keep coming back.

RE: Disappointing
By wrekd on 10/14/2008 6:43:06 PM , Rating: 2
Is there a Blu-ray option yet?

RE: Disappointing
By quiksilvr on 10/15/2008 2:48:34 AM , Rating: 2
Apparently they said they didn't want to deal with the licensing issues and waiting for that to "blow over". Frankly I have no idea what they're talking about; if pretty much every company offers it I see no reason to hesitate. Hell, keep the price points the same and just include BD-ROM it would make the prices more sensible.

RE: Disappointing
By kelmon on 10/15/2008 6:37:38 AM , Rating: 2
No. Apple has given its reasons why not but the most likely reason is that they don't want Blu-ray to succeed and would much rather that you bought/rented your movies from iTunes. I don't think anyone would argue against this position. Personally, I'm not the slightest bit bothered about the lack of Blu-ray since I tend to agree that it isn't going to last and that on-demand is what customers want. Clearly, if customers aren't buying Blu-ray then there isn't much point adding a feature they don't value.

I'm much more concerned about the lack of FireWire than I am Blu-ray.

RE: Disappointing
By ioannis on 10/14/2008 6:50:21 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, the glossy display is a deal breaker for me as well. Other than that, they are nice looking and well speced laptops.

One thing that slipped away is the Hybrid SLI. I hope it's just a driver issue and it will be 'enabled' later on. With Snow Leopard coming at the end of the year, it would be good to have that extra power.

RE: Disappointing
By BruceLeet on 10/14/2008 7:33:24 PM , Rating: 2
Becuz "Pro" models are supposed to be shiny and pretty! :)


RE: Disappointing
By jinxed102 on 10/16/2008 5:11:43 PM , Rating: 2
Why would Apple f*** over their pro customers by not offering a matte screen option on the Pro models? What were they thinking?

Apple does offer a matte screen option. On the 17" model.

Third option on the list.

Does it matter the videocard?
By V3ctorPT on 10/14/2008 2:44:22 PM , Rating: 3
Does it matter to have a GForce 9400/9600 on a mac? We can play games on a Mac? Aren't these the faulty nVidia chips with a new name? (I don't really know much about apple, as i never was interested at one, i really don't know Mac OSX)

It's a beautiful notebook, but it's really expensive...

RE: Does it matter the videocard?
By omnicronx on 10/14/2008 2:53:52 PM , Rating: 2
Does it matter to have a GForce 9400/9600 on a mac?
Probably not for most users, and those that do play games, will probably load windows via bootcamp which i find really funny. Nothing like boosting sales for MS...

RE: Does it matter the videocard?
By silversound on 10/14/2008 2:57:05 PM , Rating: 2
you can install windows on a mac and play causal games, but the nvidia chip might have a problem

By audiomaniaca on 10/15/2008 12:21:40 PM , Rating: 2
Tell me why would someone install Vista on a Mac if they can have it in a PC laptop for half the price and almost double the speed? Tell me please.

RE: Does it matter the videocard?
By kelmon on 10/14/08, Rating: 0
RE: Does it matter the videocard?
By V3ctorPT on 10/14/2008 3:48:49 PM , Rating: 3
Yes. Next stupid question.

A$$hole... I was just intrigued... because why the hell a good GPU, if a mac is not intended to play games... or have very few games... if the notebook is for work, why not an nVidia quadro gpu?

Anyway, it's a nVidia gpu... it will probably burn with time...

By incompleteunit on 10/14/2008 3:59:00 PM , Rating: 3
There are games for OS X, though granted it's incredibly weak compared to Windows. Some of the porting companies were saying that despite the huge increase in Mac sales since they went Intel, they (the game companies) weren't seeing much more business because the most popular models were crippled by Intel graphics.

So it could improve OS X-native gaming, but many gamers also install Windows via Bootcamp, so it's beneficial anyway. Plus now that more apps like Photoshop are starting to use the GPU, it improves that way too.

Now hopefully for Apple, these chips aren't as faulty as recent nVidia offerings.

RE: Does it matter the videocard?
By kelmon on 10/14/2008 4:48:35 PM , Rating: 3
I can't answer the question about the Quadro but one presumes it is probably because they aren't designed for thin laptops. However, suffice to say that games aren't all that important on a Mac and there are lots of better uses for the GPU power. Personally, I'm an Aperture user so a faster GPU will come in very useful for processing RAW files.

Sorry, I'm kinda fed up with stupid statements like "what does a Mac need a GPU for because it has no games?" There's more to life than games and the Mac OS delivers GPU based acceleration to applications using the Core Graphics and Core Animation frameworks.

I've no idea what the $$ were for. My comment was perfectly fair given the question.

RE: Does it matter the videocard?
By V3ctorPT on 10/15/2008 3:18:17 AM , Rating: 2
Because... it wasn't a stupid question... If Macs are targeted at professional users, why a gaming GPU? Of course that having proper 3d acceleration is better than the Intel gpu's (if we can call that a gpu), I really don't know OSX so I don't know how heavy it is on the graphic card.

I apology for my a$$ coment. But normally there are trolls defending Macs at all costs, even if a question is valid, it's like the nvidia vs. ati thing... It's a battle out there, and one without reason...

RE: Does it matter the videocard?
By robinthakur on 10/15/2008 5:06:23 AM , Rating: 3
But normally there are trolls attacking Macs at all costs

There, corrected that for you. Of all the posts on this page, how many do you see blathering about how great Mac's are?? The majority whine about

-the screen being glossy (not really a big deal, what graphic professionals worth their salt don't have an external colour calibrated display?), if it annoyed that many people, then nobody would make them.

-question why they've upgraded the gpu (Snow Leopard, CS4, Motion and aperture acceleration all spring to mind) when in reality any upgrade is welcome given the high price and there is life beyond games. Both Vista through bootcamp and OSX are Gpu accelerated. Its also a tick in the box for marketing to exploit.

-Complain about the fact that the case is newly designed or shouldn't be possible to produce. What?

-Whining about the price. If you think its expensive or can't afford it, move on, its not for you. Nobody needs a macbook to live, and last time I checked, Apple weren't forcing you all to buy them. If they priced them too high, then they won't sell and you'll be vindicated. Based on Apple's traditional margins they do tend to be highly profitable.

If those are all Apple sycophants, then the standard of fanbois has dropped.

RE: Does it matter the videocard?
By UNCjigga on 10/15/2008 3:54:16 PM , Rating: 2
I'm usually a defender of Macs myself, but I just found out the new MacBook Pro might NOT support Hybrid SLI as previously speculated. Right now you can choose between the integrated GPU or the discrete GPU (and you have to log out to do so) but you cannot combine them for 48 shader pipelines.

This is not good. Now maybe the hardware support is there, but it's just not supported in OS X yet. Either way, I'm hoping that this is something that can be addressed via firmware update or with Snow Leopard.

RE: Does it matter the videocard?
By gyranthir on 10/15/2008 9:07:00 AM , Rating: 2
WoW plays on Mac, Diablo 3 will be on Mac, Starcraft 2 will be available on Mac. More developers are doing Mac work also.

Then you have boot camp, where you can run windows on the Mac and boom you can play all the windows games on this nicely spec'd overly expensive laptop.

RE: Does it matter the videocard?
By aliasfox on 10/14/2008 3:58:57 PM , Rating: 3

Under OSX, the GUI accelerates some GUI functions - sadly, Intel's crap wasn't even good at doing that. In addition, Apple's announced that the next generation of OSX will integrate some sort of processing on the GPU at the OS level (OpenCL, I'm not quite sure how it works yet, to be honest). Other programs use the GPU as well, including Motion (a video rendering app), as well as the next version of Adobe CS.

In addition, while most of us may not be hardcore gamers, we do appreciate being able to play something every now and then - many mainstream games like COD4, WoW, and some Doom3 based games are available for Mac, though some that would be greatly appreciated such as the Half Life series never made it.

And besides, it's not like a GeForce 9400m will set the world on fire in terms of graphics performance. I think we're still talking something along the lines of a GeForce 7300 or so in terms of outright performance?

People said it wasn't possible
By Phynaz on 10/14/2008 2:20:22 PM , Rating: 1
Look at the old thread on the one piece enclosure linked above.

All the people that claimed to be "experts" in CNC said it couldn't be done. And here the Air has been this way the whole time.


RE: People said it wasn't possible
By MrBlastman on 10/14/2008 2:35:34 PM , Rating: 2
One report I have read:

I quote mentions:

"-Structure is primarily derived from the internal frame, and the bottom of the case is a very thin aluminum pressing"

Which infers that they are indeed taking a brick of aluminum, cutting off the top 2/3rds of it or so to carve out the frame with either laser or CNC, then taking the bottom 3rd and using a press to press it out, thus creating the curved and rounded shape.

So, indeed, they are using one piece of aluminum, but to defeat the deficiency of trying to CNC the whole unit, the base part is pressed (stamped) out of a thinner layer which debunks some of the CNC fears.

RE: People said it wasn't possible
By abzillah on 10/14/08, Rating: -1
RE: People said it wasn't possible
By Master Kenobi on 10/14/2008 2:40:40 PM , Rating: 2
I do believe many of their claims had to do with the cost prohibitive nature of it. Reclaiming and recycling aluminum while possible, adds cost. This doesn't discount the possibility that Apple is taking some nice margin cuts in order to do this.

RE: People said it wasn't possible
By 3DoubleD on 10/14/2008 2:53:20 PM , Rating: 4
You are correct. Many people, including myself, said that it was very possible to machine a laptop case from a single "block" of aluminum stock. The point we were making was that it is ridiculously stupid because it would increase costs tremendously whether they recycled or not. This manufacturing technique is horribly wasteful (money, energy, and resources) and has close to zero quality improvements (laptops made of folded sheet aluminum were strong enough already). It seems they didn't increase the price over the older generation of macbooks so it seems Apple is swallowing this increased manufacturing costs (if they are indeed using this method and my guess that prices are about the same is correct, I don't follow macbook prices). Likely the included hardware has become less expensive since the last generation to make up for the increased case costs, but I still don't understand why they would increase the cost of the case in the first place as it would be more like Apple to keep the less expensive case and pocket all the hardware savings.

RE: People said it wasn't possible
By Captin Crunch on 10/14/2008 10:16:33 PM , Rating: 2
I'm an Aussi, and the prices in Aus have increased massively!! I was under the impression prices had increased dramatically everywhere?? And I suspect this Is Apple passing on the increased manufacturing costs from their "brick" method. However, Australia got a double dose of lame because of our hopeless & extremely volatile exchange rate. Even though the US is in economic crisis, our Aussi exchange rate follows the American stocks but on an exponential curve. Ala our dollar is worth %30 less than every other country in the world when compared to 4 months ago. I will not be upgrading this time.

RE: People said it wasn't possible
By mm2587 on 10/15/2008 11:36:17 AM , Rating: 2
damn your weak aussie dollar. Its killing what was an unusally large percentage of aussie buyers of my products.

RE: People said it wasn't possible
By Gzus666 on 10/14/2008 3:13:34 PM , Rating: 1
The rumor was that it would be made out of a single solid piece with no screws or bolts or anything holding it together, because it was to be a solid chunk. This is not the case, they machined multiple pieces and put them together.

It isn't called "CNC" it is called machining. CNC is the controller, machining is the actual process champ. And, just as thought, they couldn't do it out of a solid piece as speculated, they made multiple pieces cut from the same piece of stock. WOW, amazing, no one has ever used a piece of stock for multiple parts before. Apple invented everything, they are so amazing!

RE: People said it wasn't possible
By michal1980 on 10/14/2008 3:25:27 PM , Rating: 2
And rarely does anyone use this type of machining for mass production. Its generally done for the one off protype. Because it CNC machining allows for a relativtly quick manufacture.

However if apple wants a green image, this is the worse possible way to do it. Wastes both material and energy.


And BTW, my 2gz, 4gb, ~300gb harddrive, with a hd2600pro video card, gateway cost me 500 bucks. I can get a new laptop every year for almost 3 years for the cost of one mac book.

RE: People said it wasn't possible
By Phynaz on 10/14/08, Rating: 0
RE: People said it wasn't possible
By Phynaz on 10/14/08, Rating: 0
RE: People said it wasn't possible
By Phynaz on 10/14/2008 3:38:06 PM , Rating: 2
With the amount your posts got modded down in the last thread you may well do better to stay out of this one.

Lol at Steve Jobs
By MagicalMule72 on 10/14/2008 2:28:20 PM , Rating: 2
Lol. So they were supposed to make Mac's less expensive, now they are even more expensive. And in this economy. I lol at Steve Jobs.

If you want a new 13 in MacBook, it's 1299. If you want the faster, 2.4 processor MacBook, it starts at 1599. Who is going to buy a regular MacBook for 1599? That's crazy.

Oh and if one button wasn't lacking, now they have none.

RE: Lol at Steve Jobs
By mmntech on 10/14/2008 2:34:12 PM , Rating: 3
I agree, it is ridiculous. We went from $999 for the iBook G4, then $1099 for the original Macbook, now the new model is $1299? Why the $200 price increase? I think I'll be hanging on to my iBook for a while longer, at least until we start seeing netbooks with dual core Atoms. So much for the sub-$1000 Macbook we were promised, unless Apple has a netbook up their sleeves.

RE: Lol at Steve Jobs
By kelmon on 10/14/2008 3:04:32 PM , Rating: 2
So much for the sub-$1000 Macbook we were promised

Let that be a lesson for you - don't listen to rumor or, as perhaps it should be called, wishful thinking.

RE: Lol at Steve Jobs
By UNCjigga on 10/14/2008 2:40:58 PM , Rating: 3
Those prices aren't that bad considering the features:
- LED backlit screen
- non-Intel graphics
- more HD/RAM than previous model
- "Solid" aluminum construction
- Thin and light
- Comparable to older MacBook Pros

However, I think Apple should've included the backlit keyboard on both models.

RE: Lol at Steve Jobs
By omnicronx on 10/14/2008 2:51:26 PM , Rating: 3
For many people, laptops have a 3-4 year lifetime, many people could care less if their laptop has a solid aluminum construction, not to mention I would still not throw around a 1500-2000 dollar laptop. I have always noticed most people baby their mac's.

Other than the frame, they are still far overpriced compared to other laptops on the market with the exact same specs. I really do find it interesting that they raised the price, I have noticed at stores like BB that laptop prices have fallen in the past month due to lackluster sales. With PC laptop prices dropping and Mac prices raising, people are going to think twice.

In Apples defense, these products were probably in production and set for release long before the news of the economic slowdown. Scrapping the new design would have been a worse decision than just hoping for the best in bad economic times. Expect the next revision to be more cost effective, perhaps it is time that Apple takes a hit on their uber high margins.

RE: Lol at Steve Jobs
By robinthakur on 10/15/2008 5:14:36 AM , Rating: 2
I really do find it interesting that they raised the price, I have noticed at stores like BB that laptop prices have fallen in the past month due to lackluster sales. With PC laptop prices dropping and Mac prices raising, people are going to think twice.

I also find the price hike interesting and it will be interesting to see whether Apple pull it off. They are depending on the strength of their brand to sell here and positioning the products at a higher level than their competing brands. Expect a BBBIIIIGG PR campaign on these to recoup the R&D and other costs. Apple's shares are doing surprisingly well currently due to a positive recent re-rating and whilst its tempting to say that they seem to be bucking the recessionary trend, they aren't doing that badly compared to some other companies (naming no names)

$999 for the "MacBook Classic"? Too much
By UNCjigga on 10/14/2008 2:33:43 PM , Rating: 1
Ughh, first we were teased with promises of a $799 model, then an $899 model--now we find out it's just last year's model with a $100 price cut?? Lame! Seriously, the $1299 new MacBook seems to be the better value!

Either give us a $999 entry-level aluminum MacBook, or drop last year's model another $100 at least!

Also, does the new MacBook have a removeable battery or is that only on the MBP?

RE: $999 for the "MacBook Classic"? Too much
By Clauzii on 10/14/2008 3:07:20 PM , Rating: 2
Did You read the article????

"...and its removable battery/hard drive bay..."

Geeez... ;)

RE: $999 for the "MacBook Classic"? Too much
By UNCjigga on 10/14/2008 4:56:11 PM , Rating: 2
I did read the article...that quote was discussing the Mac Book Pro! The pictures on Engadget answered my question, so thanks for nothing! ;)

By Clauzii on 10/14/2008 6:06:25 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, but since they all use the new Alu-shell, It would be more than strange if it didn't :)

By Brandon Hill on 10/14/2008 3:15:40 PM , Rating: 2
Also, does the new MacBook have a removeable battery or is that only on the MBP?


RE: $999 for the "MacBook Classic"? Too much
By Doormat on 10/14/2008 3:58:16 PM , Rating: 2
I'm normally an Apple Fanboy, but I agree Apple is completely out of line on the price points on the MacBooks.

The classic MacBook should be $899. The entry level MacBook "Premium" should be 1199.

Slower CPU than the older generation or than what it should be (2.26GHz) and no FW 400 (so now I have to go buy another external HDD for time machine).

Forget you Jobs, I'm holding on to my MacBook (May 2006) for now and will continue to until the AppleCare expires next May. And even then I might just move to a DC Atom-based netbook instead of a laptop.

RE: $999 for the "MacBook Classic"? Too much
By Diesel Donkey on 10/14/2008 4:38:25 PM , Rating: 2
no FW 400 (so now I have to go buy another external HDD for time machine)

Isn't FireWire 800 backwards compatible with 400?

By kelmon on 10/14/2008 5:02:17 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, but there is no FireWire port at all on the MacBook. The MacBook Pro comes with a solitary FireWire 800 port, which means I'd need a new cable just to be able to attach my existing external drives. Bugger.

They are here.
By Clauzii on 10/14/2008 2:58:26 PM , Rating: 1
We've now seen them. I guess life goes on, even though the black keyboards doesn't appeal to me. I DO somehow (have to get used to it, I think) like the dark frame around the screen. Makes the picture more in focus, so to speak.

Btw. I don't like to see myself (or what's behind me) on the screen.


RE: They are here.
By benx009 on 10/14/2008 3:46:29 PM , Rating: 2
The white Macbooks have always had a tendency to have dirty keyboards, so the black keyboard is definitely a good choice. I'm sure the matte option is coming....

RE: They are here.
By Clauzii on 10/14/2008 5:30:28 PM , Rating: 2
I actually liked the white keys. One of the reasons being that You could see when they needed to be cleaned.

Well, I clean my keyboards regularly anyway :)

RE: They are here.
By Sungpooz on 10/14/2008 11:12:15 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure the matte option is coming....

Yeah, for an extra $400 dollars.

By MonkeyPaw on 10/14/2008 3:44:08 PM , Rating: 3
What is it with Apple and their fear of mouse/trackpad buttons? Do they honestly feel that having buttons is too complicated for people to use? Maybe I'm just not visionary enough, but to me, the tactile feel of having a real, physical button to press seems like the best solution to the whole clicking process. What's next, a trackpad keyboard? Oh wait, that's the iPhone...

RE: Apple
By DLeRium on 10/14/2008 4:32:08 PM , Rating: 2
It's more that you can have more real estate for other things like a larger trackpad. Look at the iPod. Remember the 3G and 4G iPods? They went from 4 control buttons at the top to a click wheel. Without the click wheel, the Nano and today's Classic would just suck. Imagine if the iPhone/iPod touch needed click buttons in addition to touch capabilities (where touch is used to just select). It's an unecessary 2 step process (select + click) where you do 2 separate things but if you combine it to 1 touchpad where a tap clicks, then its much easier.

RE: Apple
By kelmon on 10/14/2008 4:52:28 PM , Rating: 2
The theory is that there is more space for your fingers to do the "mousing", which is increasingly important given the gestures that require multiple fingers to achieve. Allegedly, the new pad delivers about 30% more space and that's fine by me. My only concern is with regards to what a "click" actually feels like, and that's going to need a hands-on session to determine whether it is good enough or not.

FireWire 400?
By kelmon on 10/14/2008 3:11:34 PM , Rating: 2
Out of all these announcements the bit that concerns me the most is the total lack of FireWire 400 support. While there's considerably more USB 2.0 external storage devices than FireWire 400, there's a heck of a lot more 400 devices than 800. All my drives are FireWire 400 and it seems that an adaptor cable will be needed now for the Pro model while the MacBook is going to be fresh out of luck. Given that it only has 2 USB 2.0 ports and no ExpressCard slot, the loss of FireWire 400 on the MacBook is going to have an impact.

I feel as though I should hold a wake for FireWire, although I have no doubt that someone will point out that the writing has been on the wall for a while and that USB 3.0 will be wonderful.

RE: FireWire 400?
By 3DoubleD on 10/14/2008 4:07:30 PM , Rating: 2
It seems you can buy a bilingual Firewire cable that works with both 400 and 800 devices (although perhaps that is what you mean by "adapter cable", although this would be the only cable you need if I understand correctly)

It is also interesting to note how Apple killed Firewire though their greed. Firewire is superior to USB 2.0 (especially Firewire800), but Apple (and other patent holders) imposed higher fees for implementing it. Although I'm a bit disappointed we don't have 800mbps speeds as a standard, I'm glad I have never had to deal with different cables for older Firewire products (equivalent to needing different cables for USB 1.1 devices on a USB 2.0 interface).

Going forward, I hope the better of the two standards, USB 3.0 and the latest Firewire standard, are chosen for the benefit of the consumer, whichever it may be.

I concur that 2 USB ports is pathetic, they need at least three, if not more, or at least offer another type of port (firewire). The mini-DisplayPort might also be a pain for owners of these laptops, although as long as 1920x1200 isn't exceeded, passive DisplayPort-to-DVI adapters can be used. Unfortunately, not all 30" displays have DisplayPort inputs (in fact very few have it), so active adapters will be required.

RE: FireWire 400?
By kelmon on 10/14/2008 4:56:54 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed, I am aware of the licensing backstory but it seems odd that Apple would effectively kill their own standard and leave the MacBook with a distinct lack of ports voluntarily. Previously only 2 USB ports wasn't a major issue because you could connect devices to the FireWire 400 port, which was almost always the best idea anyway. Now I think the number of ports is a problem.

It is indeed a shame that there aren't adaptors included in the box for connecting the DisplayPort to a VGA or DVI ports. However, given that the remote was removed from the box as well in the past update, this does not surprise me.

By rudolphna on 10/14/2008 10:28:18 PM , Rating: 2
I dunno bout yall but.. I think these macbooks are absolutely gorgeous. Im not much of a mac person but... I would buy one of these if I could afford it. I love the design, I love the glass screen, and they have great battery life. Hell, I even like OSX Leopard. Downrate me if you want, but I think these macs are great looking, and I want one.

RE: hot
By pfroo40 on 10/15/2008 12:17:44 AM , Rating: 2
I don't deny that they're good looking laptops. Very slick design. And MacOS is superior to Vista. But is it worth a premium of $300+? I don't think so. But if you have enough money to be able to not care about that, then go for it.

By Bigjee on 10/14/2008 3:16:26 PM , Rating: 2
I can't say this without a figment of doubt the Macbook looks like a lot of the Sony VAIO laptops out there. It's not only that they've made it look like a product thats already on the market but then calling it revolutionary is misleading. From what I can tell that Apple used to make gorgeous laptops with form as the priority and function second. I'm not that impressed with this generation of laptops with the $250 increase in base price and less than impressive form. The two things i did like were the glass track pad and the frame less led screen along with its thinness. You'll love the screen if you can live with the glare.

Price point...
By pfroo40 on 10/14/2008 6:26:05 PM , Rating: 2
I was somewhat eagerly anticipating this announcement, as I'm in the market for a new laptop and was keeping an eye on these given that they finally have a decent dedicated graphics chip in the new macbooks. Unfortunately, they are way overpriced. I do prefer MacOS over Vista. But it's not enough. Compare the 1599 MB with the new "Blue Label" HP at bestbuy for 1199. The only caveat is it's slightly slower processor at 2.0ghz, but same 4gigs of ram, more hdd space, 512mb video memory, LED display, backlit keyboard, better battery life, 2yr warranty. And even that is expensive for it's market. Similar PC laptops can be had for 850 or less. Sorry Apple, you're not winning me back with this round.

In two months pay..
By Ricklar on 10/15/2008 12:22:37 AM , Rating: 2
In two months pay I will be buying my first apple computer. I just love how little plastic is used. Glass and aluminum is the way to go. I hope they don't change their ways because of costs. It must be costly to machine each aluminum case; when compared to a plastic molded case.

still too expensive..
By PascalT on 10/15/2008 10:03:51 AM , Rating: 2
Hmm, I see Apple still sells their laptops at ridiculous prices. I guess you can do that when your laptops look so good. In this recession period I think their sales will go way down when you can get a really nice 17" laptop for $600 these days.

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