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iPhone 4

Apple will also sell $29 "Bumpers" which wrap about the steel rim of the iPhone 4
Although we first saw it weeks ago, Steve Jobs officially reveals the iPhone 4

When it comes to the looks of the Apple's latest iPhone, everything seems old hat. The exterior of the phone was revealed nearly two months ago when Gizmodo gave a full shakedown on the device. While the fallout from that incident could be talked about for another 2,000+ words, we'd rather spend the time talking about the new features of the iPhone that we don't already know.

Apple CEO Steve Jobs introduced the new iPhone 4 and stated that there are over 100 new features on the phone, but he touched on just a few today. The iPhone 4 features what Apple calls a Retina Display which has four times the pixel density of the current iPhone 3GS within the same amount of space (326 ppi). As has been previously rumored, the iPhone is now confirmed to feature a 640x960 display which makes it the highest resolution display on the smartphone market (most high-end Android phones feature an 480x800 display). The actual display size remains unchanged at 3.5-inches and has an 800:1 contrast ratio.

Under the hood, Apple's new A4 processor -- which first made an appearance in the iPad -- is running the show. This replaces the 612MHz Cortex A8 processor found in the year-old iPhone 3GS. Interestingly, storage capacity is still capped at 32GB. There is now a larger battery which provides 7 hours talk, 6 hours 3G, 10 hours Wi-Fi, 10 hours video, 40 hours music, and 300 hours of standby.

When it comes to network speeds, the iPhone's Wi-Fi radio has been bumped up to 802.11n, while 3G download/upload speeds now max out a 7.2Mbps and 5.8Mbps respectively.

Speaking of the network, early during the demo, Steve Jobs was having troubles getting his iPhone 4 to connect to the Wi-Fi network. When he switched to 3G, he was bombarded with even more network errors while trying to pull up the New York Times website. When he deferred to one of his crew on how to correct the problems, an audience member yelled out “Try Verizon!” Ouch!

Another new feature of the iPhone is a built-in 3-axis gyroscope which then provides 6-axis motion sensing when combined with the accelerometer. The gyroscope will make use of new CoreMotion APIs.

The rear camera is now 5MP which is up from 3MP. However, Steve Jobs pointed out that megapixels aren't everything and that picture quality is king. Apple has thrown in an LED flash, 5x digital zoom, one-click sharing, and 720p (30fps) HD video capture. On the software side, Apple displayed a mobile version of iMovie to handle editing of video although you'll have to pay $4.99 for it.

IPhone OS 4.0 -- now called iOS 4 -- was also detailed, but we've already covered that in a previous article. IOS 4 features support for multitasking, folders for applications, Mail.app improvements, better enterprise features, iBooks, and iAds capabilities. The Gold Master of iOS 4will be available for download later today -- it will be made publicly available for iPhone 3G/3Gs customers on June 21.

For Jobs' "One more thing", he unveiled "FaceTime" video calling for the iPhone 4. Jobs demoed the capability by calling up Apple design guru Jony Ive. The feature is obviously limited to iPhone 4 devices and required you to have an active cell connection and Wi-Fi to work. Both the rear and front-facing cameras can be used for video calls -- portrait and landscape orientations are supported. Using FaceTime completely over 3G is expected to come next year.

The new iPhone 4 is available in white and black and will be priced at $199 for the 16GB model and $299 for the 32GB model. The phones will be available June 24 (pre-orders start June 15). The iPhone 3GS will drop down to $99 starting on June 24 (for an 8GB model).

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The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Motoman on 6/7/2010 2:02:34 PM , Rating: 5
...on CNN.com they clearly understand the Apple consumer demographic.

Does the front-page byline say anything about the device's technical specs? No. Features? No. Functionality? No.

It blurbs about how it's got a "glass back" and "metal sides."

Which is perfect for the Apple consumer - who hasn't got the slightest clue about anything other than "oooooo...shiny!"




RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By headbox on 6/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Homerboy on 6/7/2010 2:17:40 PM , Rating: 4
He's not generalizing ALL the iPhone users. He's only generalizing MOST of them. And properly too I may add.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By quiksilvr on 6/7/2010 2:39:28 PM , Rating: 3
Indeed. But CNN's lack of journalist skills aside, I'm sure Sprint must be sighing relief right about now. The iPhone didn't introduce a crazy curve ball of any kind with the exception to the screen.

But seriously, isn't that kind of overkill for a screen that size? I would have thought 720x480 would be more than enough.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Motoman on 6/7/2010 2:45:27 PM , Rating: 1
Have to agree.

Is the iPhone screen "better?" Sure, I'll give you that on the back of the resolution alone.

But seriously...stop it. There's not the slightest chance that the human eye is going to be able to discern details that fine. It's like selling HDMI cables with Electro-Platinum plated connectors. Whatever dude.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By invidious on 6/7/2010 4:41:08 PM , Rating: 3
Your eyes must suck.


By Motoman on 6/7/2010 4:45:44 PM , Rating: 2
No, they just aren't bionic, like you seem to think yours are.

Actually, considering I had Lasik last year and just tested at better than 20/20, I'm willing to bet that my eyes are better than yours.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Phoque on 6/7/2010 5:56:04 PM , Rating: 5
"There's not the slightest chance that the human eye is going to be able to discern details that fine."

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about:

- Eye resolution 1 minute of arc

Let's say you hold the phone 12 inches away from your eyes, it may be a little closer than what the average person do, but not exagerated:

x = tan (1/60) * 12
x = 3.491E-3 inch

The Iphone has dimensions: 3x1.8", which yields a discernable resolution to the human eye at 12" of:

859 x 515

But look what happens if you bring it to 6 inches away from your eyes:

1719 x 1031

Visible to the non bionic eye, on an iPhone sized screen...

I'm not arguing over wether or not people need it or want it, just over the fact you don't know much about eye acuity.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By TheRequiem on 6/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Phoque on 6/7/2010 6:18:17 PM , Rating: 3
I was not talking about Apple demonstration, I was talking about eye acuity. Do the math yourself and you'll see. If you're not much into math, go ask your optometrist.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By TheRequiem on 6/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Phoque on 6/7/2010 7:00:25 PM , Rating: 5
" it DOESNT MATTER"

Well you did miss completely my point because I totally agree with that.

---

"but stupidity isn't either"

(!)


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By TheRequiem on 6/7/10, Rating: -1
By Strunf on 6/7/2010 6:43:03 PM , Rating: 1
If Apple says so then it must be true...


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Motoman on 6/8/2010 1:29:47 PM , Rating: 4
...if you want to watch something on a phone held 6" from your eyes, knock yourself out. It would be a good way for people to identify you as very, very strange.


By Phoque on 6/10/2010 10:07:45 PM , Rating: 1
I agree. I don't even have a cell phone.

Anyway if someone wanted to pick up tiny picture details more easily on their phone screen, they'd just have to zoom in.


By omnicronx on 6/8/2010 4:05:00 PM , Rating: 3
Who holds there phone closer than a foot to their face on a regular basis?

Do the math.. if the ideal viewing distance at ~11" is 300PPI, then what is it at 13"? Around 250.. or around the same as other smartphones @ 800x480.

Furthermore if anything the average user would notice a larger screen size before PPI..

This is nothing but smoke and mirrors to hide the fact that Apple had no choice but to go with 4:3 as a result all previous iPhone apps being coded as such. Unlike Android which has had to scaling tools to deal with different screen resolutions for a while now, Apple has no such thing, and as such all old apps are meant to work specifically at a 4:3 resolution.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By KoolAidMan1 on 6/8/2010 4:34:41 AM , Rating: 5
I never thought I'd see the day when anti-Apple fanaticism downplays a frigging >300 DPI LED backlit IPS display.

Seriously, if this was in any HTC or Nokia headset the anti-Apple hateboys would be talking about how its display is the best thing ever. Give me a break, the double-standard fanaticism is too hilarious. It has the best hardware around right now, end of story.

Oh, and give me >300 DPI IPS display in my notebook computer and desktop displays next, thanks!


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Tanclearas on 6/8/2010 9:24:50 AM , Rating: 4
Well, not exactly true.

HTC has had phones on the market for two years that have resolutions approaching 300dpi. The Touch Pro and Touch Diamond had 286dpi. While they were advertised specs, the biggest difference is that HTC doesn't try to convince people that it is magical, nor did they feel the need to give it its own marketing name (Retina Display).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_displays_by_p...

Yes, a >300dpi LED backlit IPS display is impressive. It does NOT deserve its own marketing term.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By icanhascpu on 6/8/10, Rating: 0
By omnicronx on 6/8/2010 4:12:48 PM , Rating: 5
I give a f***.. Thanks to Mr Jobs and Apple, everything is going to go back in time thanks to their 4:3 resolution. We are going to see proprietary Apple movie formats meant to fit these displays, and it will gain popularity from there.

Its a load of BS that 300ppi is required, its not. At around 13 inches from your device, 250ppi (or what other 800x480 phones such as the N1 and the HTC incredible have) on a 3.7 in screen has the exact same effect.

This is just smoke and mirrors to hide the fact that Apple didnt think twice about the future when it came to display resolution and coding of Apps. They had to remain with 4:3 due to this, they didn't really have a choice.

That being said, I'm not taking away from the device, its definately going to be the best smartphone on the market, but to make some fantastic claim that the screen resolution they used was required for 'optimal viewing' is a load of crock. Then again, telling people, 'hey you now have more viewing space on your device' does not have the same ring to it as the super 'Retina Display'

So yes, I surely do give a f***, our eyes are not meant to view 4:3 displays.. period.. We have been spending years trying to transition away from it, why on earth are we going back? Because Overlord Jobs tells us too?


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Spivonious on 6/7/2010 3:01:45 PM , Rating: 5
Higher pixel density is always better. Clearer text, sharper images, etc.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By callmeroy on 6/7/2010 3:33:21 PM , Rating: 3
Math tells you it is...but I think the other guy's point was can YOU tell the difference...

Or better yet COULD you tell the difference if two phones (old res on one, new res on other) sat side by side showing the same video and NO ONE told you one was higher than another as far as the specs go.....that's the point...

Even in computer games I laugh when folks go yeah man 100 fps versus 80 fps....

Folks are full of crap there's a point where the human eye can't tell the difference unless its trained or you have been told other wise. (We humans tend to get swayed to see what we WANT to see if its there or not....so if someone says hey that's 100 fps....versus 80 fps....we'll then go "Oh yeah that 100 fps is so much sharper..." )


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Mitch101 on 6/7/2010 4:23:13 PM , Rating: 5
How about an iPhone that can make a phone call without being dropped? Did Apple mention when that model will be available?


By quiksilvr on 6/8/2010 11:25:20 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, it's called the VeriPhone.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Veerappan on 6/7/2010 4:39:15 PM , Rating: 3
In the keynote, specific mention was made that the human retina can distinguish about 300ppi on a screen the size and average viewing distance of an iPhone... They're running ?324?ppi, which is about 4x the previous amount. They've gotten the pixel pitch to the point that the retina will have a hard time seeing any higher detail... This is why they're calling it a Retina Display.

So they've gotten the resolution to the point where there's probably no point going any higher in that screen size.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By surt on 6/7/2010 4:41:25 PM , Rating: 2
There's an obvious purpose to go a little higher: to display 1080p source material without descaling artifacts.


By Motoman on 6/7/2010 4:46:48 PM , Rating: 2
...the point is that you already won't see any such artifacts if they are introduced.


By hubbabubbagum on 6/8/2010 12:48:35 AM , Rating: 2
How about at a proper aspect ratio?!?

The frigging thing is 3:2!!!


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By invidious on 6/7/2010 4:51:07 PM , Rating: 2
The fact that you would refer to fps as clarity shows me that you know little more than those you attempt to critize.

Modern displays are rated in time delay specifically because they refresh at rates higher than the human eye can distinguish. So the dominant factor becomes how fast can the screen react to a change in image. They don't rate phones in delay or in fps because they are low voltage media devices an no one cares about the delay.

People do care about pixel definition because there is no fixed limit to the human eye's resolution. Some invididuals may not be able to focus well enough to see the difference but I am sure the average person will be able to appreciate this level of definition.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Phynaz on 6/7/2010 5:07:19 PM , Rating: 2
No fixed limit to human eye resolution?

Of course there is! The eye can't have unlimited resolution.

It happens to be one arc second btw.


By Phoque on 6/7/2010 5:58:52 PM , Rating: 2
nope, one arc minute.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By superflex on 6/7/2010 3:41:34 PM , Rating: 1
ooooooh shiny


By YashBudini on 6/7/2010 11:23:27 PM , Rating: 2
Homer Simpson inflection.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By BansheeX on 6/7/2010 4:04:13 PM , Rating: 3
While it's arguable that it's better in this case, saying that more is better is factually false. Human biology has limits on what we can perceive audibly and visibly. Once you determine what that point is, then going past it only incurs space and bandwidth costs for no perceivable reward: a net detriment.

A perfect example would be stuff like DVD-audio and deep color. If a DVD-audo disc sounds better, it's because it's using a newer remaster, not because of the sample rate increase over CDs. 16/44 is already at or beyond any human's limit, and properly controlled double blind tests have proven it. But that doesn't stop companies from trying to push snake oil successors once the well runs dry. Understand that there IS a limit and it DOES hurt to go beyond it.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By UNHchabo on 6/7/2010 4:31:44 PM , Rating: 2
While 24 bits of resolution is inaudible when dealing with pop music that stays at a constant volume level, there's one usage model that makes sense for 24-bit versus 16-bit: music that uses a wide dynamic range.

If you set your volume knob so that "full" volume at 16 bits is 96dB, then listen to the music, then you'll hear most of the music just fine, at the full 16-bit resolution. If you have a quiet section though (say at 48dB), then that section of music really only has 8 bits of resolution. This is where 24-bit sources and media are useful. It means that even during quiet sections of the music, you'll still have at least 16 bits of resolution.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Solandri on 6/7/2010 5:11:35 PM , Rating: 3
That has more to do with the encoding standard on CDs using a linear scale for volume instead of a logarithmic. Your ear cannot detect the same difference in loudness in a loud passage as it can in a quiet passage. In fact that's the whole reason the dB scale was invented - it's a log base 10 scale, and your ear is able to distinguish a roughly 1 dB change in volume at any volume level. So really, you could encode music at 44 kHz frequency and 8 bits volume on a dB scale, and it would be indistinguishable from the original to 99.999% of people.

But it didn't happen that way because the music studios were flabbergasted when they found out how much music could fit on a CD. With a proper encoding algorithm, you can fit 2-5 hours on a CD losslessly. The studios would've had a PR nightmare if the public found out that they were only filling 20% of each CD with music to artificially limit it to 1 hour of playtime. So instead, they chose to make an audio standard which was (1) uncompressed, and (2) linear in volume (has way too much resolution on the loud parts, probably not enough on the quiet parts). That ballooned the data file size by about 2-5x allowing them to "limit" each CD to 1 hour of audio.

Of course this came back to bite them when the public discovered MP3s...


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By UNHchabo on 6/7/2010 6:28:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The studios would've had a PR nightmare if the public found out that they were only filling 20% of each CD with music to artificially limit it to 1 hour of playtime.


I don't think the reason for using PCM on CDs was anything this sinister. The system used on CDs is incredibly resilient to bitstream errors, with the error correction system they use, combined with the fact that an uncorrectable bit error has a relatively small impact on the sound. If you losslessly compress a PCM stream, then corrupt a single bit of that stream, it will have a much greater impact on the sound than a single corrupted bit of the original stream.

Also keep in mind that processors were not nearly as advanced in the mid 80s, when CDs first came on the market, as they are now. Decoding of compressed information takes CPU power, something that they just didn't have back then. Back in the mid-to-late 90s, in the early days of MP3s, some people still ripped their music into WAV files, despite the huge amount of storage they took up, simply because their computer couldn't handle multi-tasking while decoding MP3s, in the same way that people with older computers nowadays can't multi-task while decoding H.264 videos.


By Alexstarfire on 6/7/2010 9:06:27 PM , Rating: 2
The same can be said of ANY compressed format. It's a rather poor excuse IMO. Yea, original would be best, but it just takes up too much space.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By msheredy on 6/7/2010 4:19:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm sure Sprint must be sighing relief right about now.


Why? Do any of their phones offer 6 axis motion sensing, or the ability to shoot HD video that you can edit by adding text, stills & animation? Or what about video chatting—all on the same phone mind you?

And why are you comparing a service provider to a device manufacturer anyway? Talk about APPLEs to oranges...


By Alexstarfire on 6/7/2010 4:48:30 PM , Rating: 3
Well, the only thing I can really say is that Video Chatting has been around for ages, it's just not widely used. In fact, I'm not even sure the cell networks in the US support it. Hell, my phone 5 years ago had video calling on it, I just haven't actually been able to use it.

I'm not sure exactly how a gryoscope is going to improve a phone, but I'll wait and see on that one. Accelerometers are pretty good already.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Totally on 6/7/2010 4:49:16 PM , Rating: 3
6 axis? last time I checked there were only 3 axis{x,y,z} in this dimension. There are six directions of motion 2 for each axis

and HTC Evo 4G, HD Video, 3 axis motion sensing, and can shoot HD Video.


By erple2 on 6/7/2010 5:12:41 PM , Rating: 2
6 Degrees of Freedom is considered motion in the x, y, z, axes and the rotations about each axis. So technically the 6 axis motion sensing could be accurate nomenclature if it's providing the 3 linear motion and 3 rotational motion measurements.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Denigrate on 6/7/10, Rating: -1
By Kurz on 6/7/2010 2:23:16 PM , Rating: 2
Hey Motoman has it going on!
I wouldn't blame him for looking.


By Smilin on 6/7/2010 2:29:43 PM , Rating: 2
No, just you.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By hiscross on 6/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Spivonious on 6/7/2010 2:26:57 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Just wanted to clue you evoluted animal in.


Huh? Me speak English good.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Obujuwami on 6/7/2010 6:17:38 PM , Rating: 4
His hands exploded as he was so mad. If we can replicate this, we can force all fan boys of all types to leave the forums. Oh what a wonderful day that would be....


By Motoman on 6/8/2010 1:31:00 PM , Rating: 2
Now THAT'S a product I would buy!


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By crleap on 6/7/2010 2:23:53 PM , Rating: 4
well, except the fact that its specs actually are impressive... you might consider that too before you just toss out an emotionally charged insult.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Motoman on 6/8/2010 1:32:38 PM , Rating: 2
The point is that the new iPlod could be a sack of diarrhea in a box and the media & fanboys would be just as excited about it. Nothing about Apple product sales has ever had to do with the tech specs. It's about purchasing a self-image and declaring your individuality by doing the same thing everyone else is doing because the TV told you to.


By crleap on 6/9/2010 1:40:32 PM , Rating: 2
Well, except that the new iphone actually ISN'T a sack of diarrhea in a box (nice image, BTW). You're generalizing too much. I love Apple products, but I use a PC, because the tech specs and value surpass that of a Mac in my situation. If the iPhone4 turned out to not be a solid contender in tech specs for this summer's phone purchase, I'd get the Evo or something else.

See, I think you're a fanboy, actually. A fanboy of defaming Apple based on image rather than specs. Wait, isn't that what you accused a lot of others of? All of us with the iPhone are not image-obsessed frappuccino sippers in Starbucks pretending to write a novel. Some of us actually like the product on its merits, and others are taking advantage of the easy-to-use user interface. others have gone other routes. Hey, whatever works for ya!


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By jonmcc33 on 6/7/10, Rating: 0
By Ratinator on 6/7/2010 2:41:07 PM , Rating: 1
"If my balls were on your chin, where would my dick be?"
Nikki Sixx - Motley Crue


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By sapiens74 on 6/7/2010 2:41:10 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
To the more technical people out there, the iPhone 4 is a joke. There are better smart phones out there on better carriers.


Post the specs of any phone with better hardware.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By hughlle on 6/7/2010 2:56:03 PM , Rating: 2
please quote where he stated hardware. just because it has a better screen does not make it a better phone...


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By corduroygt on 6/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Targon on 6/7/2010 4:26:26 PM , Rating: 3
Better hardware than what? Screen quality doesn't really help call quality, or anything else. There are plenty of 1GHz processor based phones out there right now.

Software....iOS isn't any better than WebOS from Palm. There may be a billion apps for the iPhone, but in general, what comes with the iPhone isn't all THAT spectacular compared to the competition.

As far as networking, there are a few issues that have shown up with the iPhone 3GS and previous versions. The previous iPhone versions have not been very good about holding a call when switching between 3G and 2G, and that is where many of the so-called AT&T issues come from. AT&T is in need of a network improvement(which is currently in progress), but if the iPhone was dropping calls and other devices were not while on AT&T, then it was an iPhone problem.


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By themaster08 on 6/7/2010 3:10:36 PM , Rating: 1
When it comes to Mac "technical specs aren't everything".

Now that an Apple device has superior specs, look who's spouting now!


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By VahnTitrio on 6/7/2010 3:46:36 PM , Rating: 5
Superior? Maybe slightly better.

It has the highest resolution display, albeit a non-standard 3:2 aspect ratio one. Snapdragon supports resolutions up to 66.66% higher than the iPhone 4's display resolution, so I suspect this lead will be somewhat brief.

An A4 processor. Again assuming it's running at the full 1GHz (which is no guarantee) it is only slightly better than the current Snapdragon. This lead again will be very brief, if it is a lead at all.

Largest screen by physical size? Just about all other phone brands will be using 4.3" displays in their high end smartphones, if they are not using them already.

Software? Completely user preference.

Flexability? Android wins handily.

Camera? Other phones have better.

Carrier? Most would say they are much better options. It's the biggest dent in the iPhone's armor and upgrading the hardware didn't do anything to address this.

My recommendation would be if you need a new phone and want to stay with AT&T (ie you already have an unlimitted plan with them), go with the iPhone 4. For the rest of us, just go with a preferred carrier and use their best hardware, as the difference in specs doesn't even come close to justifying such changes.


By themaster08 on 6/8/2010 6:12:11 AM , Rating: 1
I've just found this:-

http://dailymobile.se/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/S...

It's really a close contest in terms of specs between the iPhone 4 and Nokia N8.


By Dark Legion on 6/7/2010 3:07:38 PM , Rating: 2
It depends on the speed of the A4 inside, which the article doesn't talk about, so it may or may not be more powerful than the 1GHz Snapdragon. And remember, while it may be able to compete with this current generation of phones, it will not be able to compete with future ones (coming out Q3/Q4).


By xti on 6/7/2010 3:31:15 PM , Rating: 2
maybe its not superior, but its appeal is a feature, whether you care to admit it or not. time to get with the times, features arent just on paper. Dont be the weirdo at the bar who pulls out finlands finest...or the one on campus without white headphones.

just saying...


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By hughlle on 6/7/2010 3:17:09 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Which is perfect for the Apple consumer - who hasn't got the slightest clue about anything other than "oooooo...shiny!"


this is a friends facebook status as of 28 minutes ago

"*melts...ipone 4 announced today..oh wow"

point and case


RE: The byline on CNN.com says it all...
By Alexstarfire on 6/7/2010 4:55:20 PM , Rating: 2
My friend was updating his status frequently during the whole presentation. He's a Mac nut and his Facebook posts usually reflect that.


By jonmcc33 on 6/8/2010 11:32:10 AM , Rating: 2
I updated my FB and stated that the new "blood" phone from Apple was released.


Does it have?
By defter on 6/7/2010 2:30:31 PM , Rating: 3
- memory card slot
- removable battery
- multitasking
- file transfer over bluetooth
- ability to use own sound files as ringtones
- USB plug

90% of smartphones already had these features for years.




RE: Does it have?
By sapiens74 on 6/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: Does it have?
By dav115 on 6/7/2010 2:43:15 PM , Rating: 2
Actually it doesn't have proper multitasking at all, it has steady state multitasking which is remotely useless for anything more than running static apps simultaneously. Try checking your email whilst downloading a file and see how "multi" it is then.


RE: Does it have?
By dav115 on 6/7/2010 2:51:02 PM , Rating: 2
completely useless* I must have been thinking of "not remotely useful" at the time of writing that.


RE: Does it have?
By corduroygt on 6/7/2010 3:00:46 PM , Rating: 2
Then how are you able to listen to pandora radio while it's in the background like they demonstrated before?


RE: Does it have?
By PorreKaj on 6/7/2010 2:45:29 PM , Rating: 2
It is not multitasking


RE: Does it have?
By Phynaz on 6/7/2010 2:37:22 PM , Rating: 1
And how many of those "features" are useful to the majority of users?


RE: Does it have?
By Homerboy on 6/7/2010 2:40:40 PM , Rating: 4
All/most?


RE: Does it have?
By Motoman on 6/7/2010 2:43:54 PM , Rating: 4
1 memory card slot
2 removable battery
3 multitasking
4 file transfer over bluetooth
5 ability to use own sound files as ringtones
6 USB plug

1. Big time.
2. Super big time. Like, that right there makes you a moron for buying one.
3. I guess. Doesn't make any difference to me.
4. Meh.
5. Meh.
6. Ultra big-time.

And the lack of a real keyboard? No phone without a real keyboard will ever be as effective or efficient as a phone with a real keyboard. But no - you use the touch screen because it's "nifty."


RE: Does it have?
By Phynaz on 6/7/2010 3:05:40 PM , Rating: 1
1. Don't care.
2. Don't care.
3. Woot!
4. Don't care, I use Wifi.
5. Yes.
6. That's how I plug in.

So I'm a moron for buying a device without a removable battery? Nice way to win people over.


RE: Does it have?
By Motoman on 6/7/2010 4:49:56 PM , Rating: 3
I don't give a rat's ass about "winning anyone over."

You paid out the ass for a device that doesn't have a user replaceable battery. That's just flat-out stupid, and there's no possible way to defend it. Period. There's not the slightest excuse for Apple to design such a thing, nor for you to be OK with it as a consumer.


RE: Does it have?
By corduroygt on 6/7/2010 5:07:05 PM , Rating: 2
I -and I'm sure I'm not alone here- had many different phones all with user replacable batteries from 2000-2009. I have never carried extra batteries on me.

What I did encounter, however, are little plastic tabs on battery covers that broke off (I sometimes had to remove the battery to get a frozen phone to reset, thankfully the iphone is much better designed in this regard).

So for me, having a non-user replacable battery is a plus. Not to mention it reduces cut-lines and improves the aesthetics of the phone. I'm OK with it as a customer, so I guess that makes me stupid huh?


RE: Does it have?
By Motoman on 6/8/2010 1:36:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm OK with it as a customer, so I guess that makes me stupid huh?


Yes, it does. Because you can't easily swap out the battery on your own when it eventually dies, or when you're in a pinch and need to just pick up a spare battery at the local store and be on your way, so on and so forth. There categorically is no way to justify it.

Plead your case about "breaking little tabs" - I have had so many cell phones in my life I can't even count them, and considering all the phones had by all my friends and co-workers, and I have not *ever* heard of someone having that problem. I think you're making it up to try to convince yourself that having a user-replaceable battery is somehow a bad idea, when it most clearly is not.


RE: Does it have?
By corduroygt on 6/8/2010 2:11:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yes, it does. Because you can't easily swap out the battery on your own when it eventually dies, or when you're in a pinch and need to just pick up a spare battery at the local store and be on your way, so on and so forth. There categorically is no way to justify it.

Just because you think so, it doesn't mean it is so.
1. You can swap the battery when it dies in about 5-10 minutes, opening up the iphone is actually pretty simple.
2. My experience in the past 10 years showed that I never needed a second battery. Even if you needed one, there are battery packs that can be plugged to the expansion port and charge the iphone

I much rather prefer the sleek design and the lack of seams in the iphone over a design with a battery cover. Design and looks are important, and just like I wouldn't date an ugly woman, I wouldn't buy an ugly phone.

Also FYI, I had a nokia 3650 and a N95, and had to replace battery covers for both of them.

Your Apple hatred is ridiculous, thankfully the world is a sensible place and they make FAR more money than any other phone manufacturer.


RE: Does it have?
By Motoman on 6/8/2010 2:21:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Your Apple hatred is ridiculous


Your Apple apologism, rationalization, and fanboyism are ridiculous. Disliking Apple for fleecing consumers is perfectly rational.


RE: Does it have?
By corduroygt on 6/8/2010 4:30:28 PM , Rating: 2
I sold my macbook pro to get a win7 laptop last month, how am I an Apple apologist? I just know a good product when I see one, and unlike many here, I actually tried pretty much all the phones, and the only touch screen phone whose interface is intuitive, smooth and precise was the iphone, yes that includes the incredible too.


RE: Does it have?
By omnicronx on 6/8/2010 4:59:38 PM , Rating: 2
No offense, but you've made some pretty outrageous claims.

Removing your battery yourself voids your warranty (regardless if its just a few screws). So right away your claim is debunked, I don't care if its possible or not, I'm not touching my 700 dollar device if its going to void warranty when I don't have too.

Second, I know 4 people that still have the original iPhone 2g.. not one of them has not had to send their phone to Apple to get the battery replaced. Even a large percentage of people I know with 3g's have sent in their phone to get a new battery.


RE: Does it have?
By corduroygt on 6/8/2010 6:39:54 PM , Rating: 2
By the time your battery dies, your phone is out of warranty so that's a non-issue.

In my experience, iphone batteries have been much higher quality and longer life than nokia or motorola batteries.


RE: Does it have?
By R3T4rd on 6/9/2010 4:34:38 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
iphone batteries have been much higher quality and longer life


Care to explain:
1) the iGrenades - iPhone explosing batteries? ( Not to mention the cover-ups by Apple and bribes in regards to this?)
2) Hot and Short Lasting iPhone batteries complaints from 80% of iPhone 3G and 3Gs owners?

Perhaps you are amongst the few who has got a good iPhone with no issues. But the pessimist in me says eventually you'll run into battery issues. By then you'd hope you would have an iPhone with replaceable battery.

Don't get me wrong, I think the iPhone 4 is top notch in hardware specs but would never purchase anything Apple due to thier closed minded business ethics and money gouging tactics. I might have just grabbed an iPhone 4 regardless and Jailbroken it, if it had a Micro SD Slot and Replaceable Battery.


RE: Does it have?
By corduroygt on 6/9/2010 4:57:48 AM , Rating: 2
I'm surrounded at least 20 people with iphones at work, from 2G to 3GS, and none of them have had any problems.

Perhaps you'd like to show the source of your FUD and outrageous numbers such as 80%, and claiming that I'm in the minority, which is BS.


RE: Does it have?
By R3T4rd on 6/10/2010 4:50:32 AM , Rating: 2
Um...its no FUD. It is well known and written about on most tech sites of what I stated. Also I am too lazy to search for you but a simple Google or Bing on "iPhone battery issues" or "iPhone Battery explodes" etc., should suffice.

And anyone who has been on any tech blogs during and after the launch of the iPhone 3G/3GS should know. I have just as many friends and family members who have iPhone 2G/3G/3GS and complain all the time about battery life and how hot the iPhone gets.

I can't remmeber where I read it, but Apple finally did fix its 2G/3G/3Gs problems...I think. Apple (I think from what I remember reading) blamed it on a Battery Company?

Enuff of my babbling. Just google/bing and read...dude.


RE: Does it have?
By corduroygt on 6/10/2010 8:51:51 AM , Rating: 2
I checked and only found two instances, one was in 2007 when it first launched and people were trying to hack it, and the other one was in 2009.

A couple phones out of millions != 80% like you said. Any phone manufacturer has a few bad phones out of millions.

There are millions of satisfied iphone customers with more coming every day. So stop your FUD


RE: Does it have?
By R3T4rd on 6/9/2010 4:08:35 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Design and looks are important


*sigh*....

Just like 98% of Apple Product owners. Its all about the looks, appeal, and the "IN" thing to get.


RE: Does it have?
By corduroygt on 6/9/2010 11:59:08 AM , Rating: 2
I hope you realize "design and looks" includes software as well as hardware?


RE: Does it have?
By Phynaz on 6/7/2010 5:14:48 PM , Rating: 2
No excuse for me to be okay with it?

Who the f are you to say what is right for me?


RE: Does it have?
By Motoman on 6/8/2010 1:38:12 PM , Rating: 2
Someone who thinks about what they purchase before they buy it. That's who the f I am.

Just as there would be no excuse for you to be OK with buying breakfast cereal that contains broken glass and nails - even if you bought it anyway and declared "who the f are you to say what is right for me?"


RE: Does it have?
By kmmatney on 6/7/2010 7:27:10 PM , Rating: 2
The replaceable battery issue is not a factor - get over it. None of use care about that. Period.


RE: Does it have?
By R3T4rd on 6/8/2010 4:41:09 AM , Rating: 2
And when your iPhone Battery pukes on you, please don't complain about waiting 1+ week before you get your iPhone back. Not to mention, loosing all your info on your iPhone too. Though you may be lucky if there is an Apple Store near you who can replace the batterie ( don't know if they do. Last I heard you have to send your phone in. ). For the rest of us who have replacable batteries, we just walk into the closest Wal-Mart and or Worst Buy, get our battery - done deal in minutes.

Good luck!


RE: Does it have?
By xti on 6/8/2010 9:18:03 AM , Rating: 2
iphone user for 2 years now...goddamn why hasnt my battery died yet?!?!?!

PS: my bb pearl's ball fell out...


RE: Does it have?
By Motoman on 6/8/2010 1:39:21 PM , Rating: 2
You're right - none of you (Apple consumers) care about that. Which is the problem. You clearly are not actually thinking about what you are doing, but rather are doing what the TV tells you to.


RE: Does it have?
By R3T4rd on 6/8/2010 5:11:49 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with you on that. Like I stated below, you have to spend money to send the phone in and get charged for a new battery at Apple's inflated price when most standard replaceable batteries can be had for less than $80. Non-replaceable batteries is just another way for Apple to gouge more money from its consumers. Yet, most just say here's my wallet and hand it over to Apple. Same thing can be said of most Apple products.

Example, brother-in-law's girlfriend wants to up her Mac Laptop from 2GB ram to 4GB. She takes it to the Apple Store, its gonna cost her $80 for the job plus the $200 for the ram. Apple Tech told her she will not be able to replace the ram. She consults me, I told her to go buy some crucial DDR2 SODIMM for $80 from Micro Center. I replaced it for her in less than 5 minutes. She sold the old ram for $50 on craigslist. What did it cost her? $30 total.

If you can't even take the back off your phone to replace a measley battery, then you have more issues.


RE: Does it have?
By Motoman on 6/8/2010 1:40:54 PM , Rating: 2
But Apple tells their consumers that they don't *want* to replace their own batteries, or RAM. So therefore Apple consumers don't *want* to replace their own batteries or RAM, because the proper thing to do is to take the device to an Apple store to do what any idiot with 30 seconds of time could do for free.


So...
By Homerboy on 6/7/2010 2:07:04 PM , Rating: 3
Increase in resolution for everything from recording to playback, but the same crappy 32GB of storage. Brilliant.




RE: So...
By Denigrate on 6/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: So...
By Homerboy on 6/7/2010 2:20:20 PM , Rating: 2
Why don't I need more? If I want to store a bunch of high-res videos, lots of music, pictures, apps, take lots of 720p video... it all adds up VERY quickly.

I agree on the higher res screens too. I'm sure we'll see that going up and up in the very near future.


RE: So...
By jonmcc33 on 6/7/10, Rating: 0
RE: So...
By Homerboy on 6/7/2010 2:34:17 PM , Rating: 5
You mean why would I watch the 720p video that I JUST shot using the same device? I dunno. I guess I should shoot it, transfer to my computer, re-encode to a lower res then transfer back over to the iPhone to watch? Then save 2 copies on my storage server at home, one for computer/TV viewing in high res and a 2nd in lower res for when I wnt to take it with me via my iPhone.

Your idea is way more efficient.


RE: So...
By clovell on 6/7/10, Rating: 0
RE: So...
By Homerboy on 6/7/2010 5:02:06 PM , Rating: 3
you're missing the point. It's not just the video I'm shooting, but what about the TV and movies I want to carry with me. The music. The pictures. The apps. The games.

going back to the video I shoot question... why would Apple give me a app like iMovie then? Why would I want to sit there and edit my 720p video on a tiny phone? I should buy a video camera and editing station for that right?


RE: So...
By VahnTitrio on 6/7/2010 2:28:51 PM , Rating: 2
I think I calculated out that the pixel density is so high at 326 ppi, that at about 20" from the screen the human eye will no longer be able to physically see single pixels or even a single column of pixels.

So unless you want to be putting the device right up to your nose I don't think resolutions could ever get much better than ~1280x720 on a 4.3" screen. Any increases in resolution beyond that would start to become trivial without larger screens, and nobody wants to use an iPad sized phone.


RE: So...
By corduroygt on 6/7/2010 3:03:37 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know about you but my iphone is between 10-15" away from my face when I'm browsing or typing on it. It's not a projector screen, it's a device you use intimately.


RE: So...
By RedemptionAD on 6/7/2010 3:36:54 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
my iphone is between 10-15" away from my face


quote:
it's a device you use intimately.


Um....What may you be using it for?


RE: So...
By mooncancook on 6/7/2010 2:52:07 PM , Rating: 2
I agree 800x480 is not adequate for web browsing, but neither is a 3.5" screen. Get over it, a phone is not going to give you the full web experience.


RE: So...
By damianrobertjones on 6/8/2010 4:25:49 AM , Rating: 1
Then why has everyone been browsing on the original iPhones when it's not enough. SUddenly all phones below this res suck??


RE: So...
By quiksilvr on 6/7/2010 2:26:27 PM , Rating: 3
Don't forget microSIM and still no microSD slot!


RE: So...
By phatboye on 6/7/2010 2:39:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Increase in resolution for everything from recording to playback, but the same crappy 32GB of storage. Brilliant.


ummm I thought engadget previously reported that the IPhone 4 would have an expandable SD Mirco card slot so that in essence it has an infinite amount of expandable memory like every other smart phone on the market (years late to the game but at least it's there now). Correct me if I'm wrong.


RE: So...
By Homerboy on 6/7/2010 2:46:30 PM , Rating: 2
I'm just going off this news article and the others I've seen online thus far. If an expnadable mSD slot was added, I'd think it would be fairly big news and mentioned.

Long story short, I haven't seen the edgadet article you speak of.


By sapiens74 on 6/7/2010 2:23:14 PM , Rating: 2
Its the most advanced phone out there




By XZerg on 6/7/2010 2:38:37 PM , Rating: 2
I feel this is sarcasm at work...do'h!!!


By phatboye on 6/7/2010 2:43:37 PM , Rating: 2
Phynaz I think he was being sarcastic


By dav115 on 6/7/2010 2:53:42 PM , Rating: 2
How in any way is IPS better than (AM)OLED?


By sapiens74 on 6/7/2010 2:55:37 PM , Rating: 1
check the specs and the viewing angle, much better then any Driod phone, in fact its not even close yet


By KoolAidMan1 on 6/8/2010 4:39:05 AM , Rating: 1
IPS is still the best LCD technology out there. Throw in the fact that it shows up better in daylight than AMOLED and IPS gets put way over the top.


By R3T4rd on 6/8/2010 4:43:41 AM , Rating: 3
Ur name says it all. Same with mine.


By themaster08 on 6/7/2010 2:44:02 PM , Rating: 2
The IPS screen I'll go with, but battery life?

If battery life is what you're after, may I suggest a Nokia C1 with 6 weeks battery life on a single charge.


By Phynaz on 6/7/2010 3:00:10 PM , Rating: 2
because I buy a smartphone to have it sit around unused for six weeks.


By themaster08 on 6/7/2010 3:21:46 PM , Rating: 3
The C1 isn't even a smartphone ;).


By YashBudini on 6/7/2010 11:25:41 PM , Rating: 3
It's smarter than the owner.


By mooncancook on 6/7/2010 2:56:23 PM , Rating: 2
If iSteve said so it must be iTrue


By YashBudini on 6/7/2010 11:27:02 PM , Rating: 2
iBelieve.


DROID DOES.......
By sapiens74 on 6/7/10, Rating: 0
RE: DROID DOES.......
By VahnTitrio on 6/7/2010 3:09:50 PM , Rating: 2
And then the iPhone 4 will once again fall into the shadow of the Shadow.


RE: DROID DOES.......
By sapiens74 on 6/7/2010 3:10:58 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
And then the iPhone 4 will once again fall into the shadow of the Shadow.


The pockets of millions of users?


RE: DROID DOES.......
By theapparition on 6/7/2010 3:46:37 PM , Rating: 2
It's marginally better in some specs, worse in others. Hardly the knockout punch that you claim.

Prediction:
50+ new Droid device releases before iPhone 5.

Apple's latest hardware will soon be eclipsed in every dimension by many different devices. Even in a few months it will be out featured.


RE: DROID DOES.......
By Phynaz on 6/7/2010 5:29:59 PM , Rating: 2
Who cares so much about the hardware?
The point of the hardware is to run software.

Most people don't count the number of features as a feature. That's why even though other devices have more or better features, people still turn to Apple.

It's about usefulness. And simply put, the Android phones aren't there yet. I'm sure someday they will be.


RE: DROID DOES.......
By akse on 6/8/2010 3:31:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Who cares so much about the hardware? The point of the hardware is to run software.


In Apple's case everything is being ran by softwares like iTunes and appstore and whatever steve allows. This fact already makes it so much inferior compared to other devices where you pretty much have full freedom to do whatever you want. (Ofc with iPhone too if u know how to jailbreak it)


RE: DROID DOES.......
By Calindar on 6/7/2010 7:01:40 PM , Rating: 3
This is the brief 1-2 month period where there are actually a couple of hardware specs on the iPhone that are comparable with the competition. Let them enjoy it before they have to go another 10 months of being inferior again.


IOS ?
By Justin Time on 6/7/2010 10:41:10 PM , Rating: 2
That sounds familiar somehow... oh yeah, some little company named Cisco uses that name... could be interesting.




RE: IOS ?
By dkefallinos on 6/8/2010 3:08:07 AM , Rating: 2
I wonder how can Apple use Cisco names (first iPhone, then IOS)? I guess they pay for them, but why would Cisco accept? Do they need the money? Or they have some special "connection" with Apple?


RE: IOS ?
By Justin Time on 6/8/2010 3:59:00 AM , Rating: 2
Answering my own question perhaps, but according to Engadget, Apple have licensed use of the IOS name from Cisco.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/apple-licensing...

How strange to see Apple ask before using.


RE: IOS ?
By Anoxanmore on 6/8/2010 10:30:43 AM , Rating: 2
Even Steve fears the mighty iCisco attack :)


RE: IOS ?
By Jane999 on 6/9/2010 11:48:45 PM , Rating: 2
eher, that really interesting.
But I haven't heard cisco uses before.
I think guys will be astonished by the new multitasking OS: http://www.appolicious.com/topics/174-iphone-os-4-...


iProduct file sharing sucks...
By Iaiken on 6/7/2010 3:58:16 PM , Rating: 2
The new versions file system is still off limits...

That basically defeats the purpose of trying to use the iPhone as anything other than a media consumption device.

The ability to shift files between apps to work with them is still possible, but it's enough to drive one batty.

Watching someone try to use iWork to bring files together to shape a presentation was comical (to me) as he was about to throw the stupid thing across the room.

They are great as a multimedia consumption device, but you are asking for trouble if you want to use it as a productivity device.




By Leper Messiah on 6/7/2010 5:06:24 PM , Rating: 3
Couldn't you say the same thing about basically all of apple's products?


RE: iProduct file sharing sucks...
By Phynaz on 6/7/2010 5:25:01 PM , Rating: 2
Why would you need raw access to the file system for productivity?


Objective Comparison is Objective
By wuZheng on 6/7/2010 3:31:45 PM , Rating: 2
Apple iPhone 4:
Chipset: Apple A4 (ARM Cortex A8 based SoC w/ PowerVR GPU)
OS: iOS 4
Cellular Connectivity: GSM, UMTS (quad-band HSDPA)
Other connectivity: Wifi-N, Bluetooth, GPS, Apple Dock Connector
Display: 3.5 inch, 640x960 resolution, IPS TFT LCD, 800:1 CR
Camera: 5MP w/ LED flash, 720p HD video recording

Google Nexus One (significantly older phone):
Chipset: Qualcomm Snapdragon (ARM Cortex A8 based SoC w/ Adreno GPU)
OS: Android 2.1 (shipping), Android 2.2 (~late summer, fall)
Cellular Connectivity: Quad-band GSM, UMTS (tri-band HSDPA)
Other connectivity: Wifi-N (capability exists, don't nitpick), Bluetooth, GPS, USB (recently proven Host capable)
Display: 3.7 inch, 480x800 resolution, AMOLED, 100000:1 CR
Camera: 5MP w/ LED flash, D1 (720x480) video recording

Hardware exterior design and software features can be compared later (which I assume they will be even though I'm doing a hardware comparison).

From where I stand, the iPhone 4 is not significantly better spec'd than the Nexus One. And the Nexus One isn't even the top android phone, it never was, and it was never intended to be.

Compared to the iPhone 3GS, then you have quite the case, this thing kicks the crap out of the last iPhone.




RE: Objective Comparison is Objective
By adiposity on 6/7/2010 7:08:13 PM , Rating: 2
The screen resolution difference is a pretty big deal. Esp. when you consider the "reduced" subpixel count of the N1.

My friend has a N1 and a HTC Incredible and my Droid is much sharper than both, thanks to that screen (which is nice and bright but not sharp). Text looks fuzzy, kind of like:

L
LL
L
LL
L
LLLLLLL

vs.

L
L
L
L
L
LLLLLLL

So, if the iPhone does not have this problem, and it is that much higher res. to start with, that's a pretty significant hardware advantage, in my mind. The primary viewing interface is pretty darn important.

That said, I have no doubt improved screens are on their way to android devices. Is there one that challenges the new iPhone's screen? I think even Evo 4G is "only" 480x800.

I'm waiting for something better than Droid's screen, but so far I haven't seen it. AMOLED would be nice, but not if fuzzy like N1/Incredible.


By YashBudini on 6/7/2010 11:28:54 PM , Rating: 2
Geez people, get a clue, get a life.


Available June 24, everyone can upgrade NOW!!
By crleap on 6/7/2010 4:56:16 PM , Rating: 2
near future headline: iPhone 4 still out of stock, ship dates uncertain.




By YashBudini on 6/7/2010 11:31:43 PM , Rating: 2
Of course they are uncertain, it depends on how many workers will jump to their deaths.

Too bad Foxconn didn't make like Nike and just hire kids.


oh nos
By muhahaaha on 6/8/2010 12:04:08 AM , Rating: 2
oh nos, my phone doesn't have a gyroscopic 6 axis thingy in it. Time to toss it in the trash and buys a iPhone 4 and get rid of my awesome Verizon network and no data caps. I have *never ever* dropped a call *ever*. Su(k it at&t losers.




RE: oh nos
By themaster08 on 6/8/2010 4:23:53 AM , Rating: 2
My phone may not have it, but my PS3 cotroller does :)

And the best thing about that is I don't have to stare at the controller when doing so because the screen isn't there. I feel it may be hard to focus on games waving your phone in all sorts of directions.

Give me a physical keypad anyday.


326 ppi
By rvd2008 on 6/7/2010 3:13:31 PM , Rating: 2
is amazing resolution for screen, like laser printer
don't know why is it needed on a damn phone




RE: 326 ppi
By icanhascpu on 6/8/2010 1:50:58 PM , Rating: 1
What I dont know is why people need to bitch about improvements in the first place.


Oh joy
By IcePickFreak on 6/7/2010 3:24:20 PM , Rating: 1
After the back & forth from the EVO release starts to quiet a bit, we get more fuel on the never ending fire. I think some people spend more time on the internet arguing their phone is better than <insert competitors phone> than they do actually using their phone. Buy what suits you and move on, and be thankful there's some competition to get prices down and keep the technology in general moving forward.

I'll be handing out free bitchslaps the day I see two dorks having an iPhone/Android "phone-off" at a bus stop or something.




RE: Oh joy
By wuZheng on 6/7/2010 4:08:25 PM , Rating: 2
I'm glad a member of the DailyTech community would handle such immaturity with a much more mature and reasoned response. You sir are quite the gentleman.


Megapixels aren't everything
By lightfoot on 6/7/2010 3:03:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
However, Steve Jobs pointed out that megapixels aren't everything and that picture quality is king. Apple has thrown in an LED flash, 5x digital zoom , one-click sharing, and 720p (30fps) HD video capture.

True, megapixels aren't everything, but if you're relying on a digital zoom (not optical) then megapixels are everything. But of course cell phone optics have always been a joke - at least it is a move in the right direction.




For now....
By themaster08 on 6/7/2010 3:15:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The rear camera is now 5MP which is up from 3MP. However, Steve Jobs pointed out that megapixels aren't everything and that picture quality is king.
Even better than the Satio or upcoming Nokia N8? I doubt it.




4th Gen Ipod Touch
By jahwarrior on 6/7/2010 3:31:44 PM , Rating: 2
Will Apple be realeasing a 4th gen ipod touch?? if so when??




This is all very nice, but...
By cubdukat on 6/7/2010 3:52:39 PM , Rating: 2
...I wanna know if any of this will trickle down to us poor "iPhone-without-the-phone" owners--aka iPod Touch users. I mean, iOS4 will, obviously, but will we see some hardware love as well?

More specifically, when are they gonna announce the Classic-killer: the 128GB Touch 4G (?). As nice as my new 64GB unit is (when it cooperates with my laptop), I miss having the storage space. Don't miss the fragility, though...




So...
By jay401 on 6/7/2010 3:58:31 PM , Rating: 2
Being an Apple product, can we expect that front-facing camera for videoconferencing won't be able to be used with Skype, and the 720p HD video recording will somehow be locked down in iTunes so you can't actually edit the video content with any Windows-based software you might have available, only iMovie or whatever on a Mac?
I'm always wary of the "features" because Apple always locks things down in some stupid way.

Also, why the hell is this thing telling me my comment is spam and not letting me post it via FireFox?




Bumpers??? Seriously
By krotchy on 6/7/2010 4:59:13 PM , Rating: 2
Wow $30 Dollar rubber band that they call a bumper? Don't get me wrong I intend to pre-order an iphone 4 On June 15th, but paying 30 bucks for a colorful rubber band with specially placed holes seems crazy even for apple.

Isn't it usually $30 for a whole case, I figure I might pay $5-10 for a Bumper at most.




By spathotan on 6/7/2010 5:36:03 PM , Rating: 2
...between Android devices and the iPhone. Its the software on both platforms that makes the difference.

The specs on this iPhone are nice obviously, but I think alot of people are overhyping the display.




Aspect ratio fail?
By hubbabubbagum on 6/8/2010 12:56:27 AM , Rating: 2
960x640 is 3:2

WTF?!??




OMG
By captainBOB on 6/9/2010 12:37:24 AM , Rating: 2
HOLY PEOPLE TELLING EVERYONE WHAT THEY SHOULD BUY OR NOT BUY AND GETTING ANGRY OVER A COMPANY AND A PRODUCT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUY BATMAN!!!!!!!!!!

TL'DR why the f**k do you care? its a phone for christ's sake... A PHOOOONE

/exasperation




Lame
By XSpeedracerX on 6/9/2010 8:50:53 AM , Rating: 2
Wow thats the iPhone 4, huh? YAWN. Besides the screen, its got nothing you couldn't buy from the competitors and one thing it doesn't have that sprint does; 4G. Hardly makes the 3Gs obsolete and DEFINETLY not worth $600-$700 without contracts.

You know what? None of that matters. It could be made of shark poo and the iCult will still snap it up and stevie wonder will still have to add a few more zeros to his bank statements after having sold a trillion of them. Again.




New features!!!!!
By RMPSN on 6/9/2010 9:11:43 AM , Rating: 2
All new great features that IPhone4 have, are already present on my old Nokia N97 (Except: Giroscope)




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