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Tablets grew significantly even without the iPad

Apple is flying high thanks to very successful products like the iPad and the iPhone. These products are selling in droves and are a huge part of the reason the Apple is so financially stable. The latest numbers from DisplaySearch are in and Apple has ousted HP from the top spot in market share.

It’s worth noting right up front that DisplaySearch is adding the iPad in with Apple’s computers to get the numbers. According to the research firm, Apple shipped over 13.5 million mobile PCs in Q2 2011. That works out to a 136% YoY growth rate and puts Apple ahead of HP. Apples market share was 21.1% and HP's share is 15%. HP shipped 9.7 million units. Shipments of the Apple iPad alone were 10.7 million. 

Overall, tablet shipments are helping the computer industry. Shipments of tablet PCs were up almost 70% from Q1 2011 and up over 400% from Q2 2010. Almost 16.4 million tablets shipped over all in Q2. Notebook shipments were down 2% compared to Q1 2011, but they were up 2% from Q2 2010. Global mobile computer shipments including notebook and tablet PCs reached 64.4 million units in Q2. That is 10% growth rate from Q1 2011 and 28% growth compared to 2010.

“Preliminary results show a second consecutive quarter of Y/Y shipment growth rate decline,” said Richard Shim, Senior Analyst for DisplaySearch. “While part of the Y/Y decline can be attributed to a strong first half of 2010, the rising tablet PC shipment growth rate begins to point to notebook PC shipment cannibalization.”

In notebook shipments, Samsung and Dell grew the fastest with 44% and 33% respective growth year over year. Dell also saw growth on a quarter-to-quarter basis with 27% growth.

Taking Apple out of the equation shows that PC shipments still grew globally. Not counting iPads the year over year tablet growth rate was 25% and non-iPad tablet shipments totaled 5.6 million units. 



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Shipments
By name99 on 8/18/2011 3:44:16 PM , Rating: 2
"and non-iPad tablet shipments totaled 5.6 million units. "

Hmm. And we all know the value of SHIPMENTS as a a metric compared to SALES.
To take just one recent example, the HP SALES of its tablets are 10% of what it has shipped.

How about DailyTech tell us what the non iPad tablet SALES are? I can guarantee you, as a point of comparison, that every single iPad shipped (and MacBook for that matter) sells. The situation with non iPad tablets currently remains very different.




RE: Shipments
By Solandri on 8/18/2011 4:45:23 PM , Rating: 2
Retailers are pretty reluctant to give out actual sales figures, since it could be used by competitors to target certain markets and products. Knowing how hot a seller each product is is one of the most valuable pieces of marketing information you can get. Many years ago, a friend of mine figured out a way to hack into the database of the biggest DVD seller on eBay. He used their data to stock his eBay store with only the best-selling DVDs. So nearly all "sales" figures for anything tech-related are in fact shipment figures, not actual sales.

In the short-term, shipment figures suffer the problem you cite. But over a longer timeframe it averages out. If a retailer orders too many shipments of a product this quarter, next quarter it will reduce its order of shipments substantially until it works through the excess inventory.


RE: Shipments
By name99 on 8/18/2011 5:38:36 PM , Rating: 3
"In the short-term, shipment figures suffer the problem you cite. But over a longer timeframe it averages out. If a retailer orders too many shipments of a product this quarter, next quarter it will reduce its order of shipments substantially until it works through the excess inventory."

Yeah, I'm sure that will happen to all those unsold TouchPads --- they'll hang around at Best Buy for the next four years until they are all sold. People don't want to buy them now, but who knows, when compared with iPad3, they may sell like hot cakes.

Why don't you just admit that the economic model you're describing only makes sense for static products; and is largely irrelevant to a market as rapidly changing as that for tablets?

As for "Retailers are pretty reluctant to give out actual sales figures", no-one is asking Best Buy to give us a store by store breakdown of what is selling. What is being asked is that journalists not be gullible fools. The issue is not what BEST BUY is reporting, the issue is what, eg HTC is reporting. Are HTC reporting SALES figures or SHIPPING figures?
And if they report shipping figures, it is the job of a journalist to give an appropriately skeptical and sarcastic description of the lack of value of those numbers. If journalists can't even do that much, why not call themselves Press Release Regurgitators, and stop wasting our time?

FWIW, Apple's quarterly reports state how many of each device were SOLD, not SHIPPED. You can go look at them if you don't believe me.


RE: Shipments
By Solandri on 8/18/2011 11:55:14 PM , Rating: 2
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Yeah, I'm sure that will happen to all those unsold TouchPads --- they'll hang around at Best Buy for the next four years until they are all sold.

The retailers either cut the price until they sell. Or if their purchase agreement with the manufacturer allows, they send the units back for a refund. Those units get subtracted from the units shipped figures.

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As for "Retailers are pretty reluctant to give out actual sales figures", no-one is asking Best Buy to give us a store by store breakdown of what is selling. What is being asked is that journalists not be gullible fools. The issue is not what BEST BUY is reporting, the issue is what, eg HTC is reporting. Are HTC reporting SALES figures or SHIPPING figures?

And I am telling you - HTC does not have sales figures because the retailers frequently don't tell them. All they know is the retailers asked for x00,000 of a product last quarter, and that's how many they shipped to them.

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FWIW, Apple's quarterly reports state how many of each device were SOLD, not SHIPPED. You can go look at them if you don't believe me.

That's because a large portion of Apple's sales are direct sales, through their retail stores and educational programs. As sole supplier, they probably have some negotiating leverage to get the actual sales figures from the retailers they work with too.

It is not the norm for the industry though. Even the consolidated units shipped figures are typically in reports for which media companies have to pay thousands of dollars to access and get permission to republish. How do you think companies like Gartner make money to pay people to do this sort of research?


RE: Shipments
By TakinYourPoints on 8/18/2011 6:51:55 PM , Rating: 2
You nailed it, but don't count on DT to provide all the facts when it conflicts with their editorial bias.

Source for the <10% figure you cited: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/08/best-b...


RE: Shipments
By cserwin on 8/18/2011 11:44:35 PM , Rating: 2
Wow thanks for the link. This has to be among the biggest piles if FAIL in electronics history.

Nominations?


RE: Shipments
By inperfectdarkness on 8/18/2011 10:38:59 PM , Rating: 3
i don't even know why this is news worthy. you have ONE manufacturer for iOS products, and over a DOZEN a-list manufacturers for windows products.

call me when iOS overtakes windows installation base. until then, who gives a flip.


RE: Shipments
By tng on 8/19/2011 7:28:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
How about DailyTech tell us what the non iPad tablet SALES are?
So we are considering tablets that same as a regular laptop or desktop now? Can't really see that myself.

Most of the use of these from my personal experience (some of you may disagree) is that Ipads are nothing but play toys, for business and things other than entertainment they use a standard laptop/desktop.

It is entirely possible that a large portion of people who bought tablets in the past year would have bought a netbook PC if the tablet had not been available. IMO only....


Who cares!
By frobizzle on 8/18/2011 3:09:33 PM , Rating: 1
Overpriced devices from a company that caters to a fanatical zombie-like customer base.

Must be a slow news day at DailyTech.




RE: Who cares!
By captainBOB on 8/18/2011 3:23:30 PM , Rating: 2
<trollfood>

Apple is a tech company, here's a paper bag to help with the shock.

Therefore, they are reported in tech news. Also you didn't have to click the link to the article.

</trollfood>


RE: Who cares!
By michael2k on 8/18/2011 8:07:34 PM , Rating: 2
So you're saying 20% of PC buyers are fanatical and zombie-like? Where were they 10 years ago?


RE: Who cares!
By Pirks on 8/18/2011 8:36:23 PM , Rating: 1
hahaha you think frobitch has brains to understand your question? LOL :)))


RE: Who cares!
By frobizzle on 8/19/2011 12:28:39 PM , Rating: 1
Pirks, take the dick out of your mouth before you talk and maybe people will understand you. Doubtful.

It doesn't really matter, though. You never have anything pertinent to say!


RE: Who cares!
By Pirks on 8/22/2011 2:57:20 PM , Rating: 2
Stop sucking off Ballmer's ass, or else I can't hear you!


RE: Who cares!
By BSMonitor on 8/19/2011 8:55:16 AM , Rating: 2
This is exactly what everyone was telling y'all about the Wii. "Oh, the Wii is selling like crazy! So it must be the best!" When actually NO ONE over the age of 6 now plays their Wii.

Tablets are EXACTLY that same kind of fad. A tablet does nothing productive. Anything requiring REAL work must be done on a laptop. BUT, fad's sell lots and lots until the masses are on to the next thing.

Throw netbooks in there as well.


RE: Who cares!
By Tony Swash on 8/19/2011 10:56:57 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Tablets are EXACTLY that same kind of fad. A tablet does nothing productive. Anything requiring REAL work must be done on a laptop. BUT, fad's sell lots and lots until the masses are on to the next thing.


Some fad - it just destroyed the world's largest PC maker. The Post-PC world rushes upon us and so many are either paralysed in the glare of the oncoming headlights or hypnotised by the view in the rear mirror.


RE: Who cares!
By BSMonitor on 8/19/2011 11:20:30 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Some fad - it just destroyed the world's largest PC maker. The Post-PC world rushes upon us and so many are either paralysed in the glare of the oncoming headlights or hypnotised by the view in the rear mirror.


LMAO. Spoken like a true consumer, sold on the bells and whistles!

"Ohh, look, I can read a book and listen to music, and it fits in my hand. And I can do nothing constructive on it. But I can surf the net. And I can play games. Whooo look 3D games! Whoooo"

Guess what, my iPhone does all that and it fits in my pocket. Maybe not the 3D games.

GROW THE F$%^ UP! Stop giving rich people money so that you can brag to your friends about what BS toys your daddy's CC bought you.

The only Post-PC anything is Post-insanely overpriced PC's. The Windows PC market is SO saturated by marginal profits that companies like HP are getting out of them.


RE: Who cares!
By michael2k on 8/19/2011 12:08:02 PM , Rating: 2
I play my Wii. I've probably bought 14 games on it. The only other console I've owned was the PlayStation 2, so it was a definite upgrade.


Talking about overprice products
By 2bdetermine on 8/18/2011 10:01:37 PM , Rating: 2
What worst are not only they profit from overpricing their products, but profiting from cheap labour.

Talking about zombie got to gives Mr. Jobs credit for doing a good job on hypnotized his customers.




RE: Talking about overprice products
By inperfectdarkness on 8/18/2011 10:35:57 PM , Rating: 2
best argument ever against buying an apple product is the amount of cold-hard cash they have lying around. you DON'T end up with that much liquidity unless you're intentionally doing a massive restructure of your company...or you're ripping off your customers.


RE: Talking about overprice products
By Pirks on 8/18/2011 11:52:25 PM , Rating: 2
... or you're using your cash mountain to keep your competitors at bay by projecting your cash power onto your suppliers, picking the best parts for lowest prices when you do massive billion dollar multi-year contracts - feats unachievable for smaller companies like Dell and such


Don't Forget
By mritter1981 on 8/19/2011 11:01:44 AM , Rating: 2
Let's not forget that Crapple blocked Samsung from selling any tablets in Europe as well. So knock that out of the sales figures (the lawsuit settlement that is).




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