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Why not just ask Samsung to give up all its money?

Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930) is still reeling from a massive $1.05B USD jury verdict loss to Apple, Inc. (AAPL) in Californian federal court.  Now Apple has added insult to injury, asking a judge to triple the damages.  If the judge accepts Samsung would now owe Apple over $3B USD.

I. Apple Looks to Triple Its Court Payday

The request comes due to federal rules regarding "willful" infringement.  In such cases, the plaintiff is allowed to request that a judge multiply the damages as a punishment to the infringer.  As the jury ruled that Samsung not only infringed, but also did so "willfully", Apple was eligible to make such a request.

A report in the Korea Times quotes an unnamed "senior legal executive" as saying, "By using that condition, Apple has decided to request the judge to order Samsung to pay more than $3 billion in the hearing on the San Jose verdict on Sept. 21 in California.  The decision means Apple want to quickly address the harm that Samsung’s infringing products are said to be causing. As has been the case throughout this trial, Apple is pressing its full advantage over the jurors’ decision."

Another legal source was quoted as saying that Apple is simply trying to levy more severe provisions against Samsung in an effort to kick it out of the market.  That source argues no amount of damages will satisfy Apple until it can kick its rival out.

Red card
Sources say Apple won't be satisfied until it kicks Samsung out of the market. [Image Source: AFP]

Comments the source, "Apple lawyers still believe Samsung should pull its popular Galaxy line of devices including smartphones and tablets from the United States and leave the market to proprietary handsets from Apple and Microsoft."

II. Kicking Out a Bigger Competitor

Currently, Samsung outsells Apple's smartphones 2-to-1 globally.  If Apple can indeed "kick Samsung out" of the global market (or at least the lucrative U.S. market), it could go on to dominate the smartphone market.

Samsung, however, is bracing itself for a tough fight to try to prevent that from happening.  It's countering Apple's request to Judge Lucy Koh, the presiding judge in the case, with a counter-request to toss parts of the jury verdict, reducing the damages.  If it cannot succeed, it will drag the case into the U.S. Federal Appeals Courts.

Samsung smartphones
Some say despite the pending bans, Samsung may be able to stay ahead of Apple.
[Image Source: Reuters]

Judge Koh this week upheld a ban on Samsung's Galaxy Tab 10.1 in the U.S.

The South Korean phone maker is also hedging its bets, increasing its Windows Phone 8 offerings.  Jumping ship from Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Android operating system to Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) Windows Phone 8 could offer an easy escape route for Samsung, as Apple presumably can't sue Windows Phone makers due to its cross-licensing pact with Microsoft.

Source: The Korea Times



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By GotThumbs on 9/19/2012 12:33:21 PM , Rating: 5
The amount of arrogance within Apple legal division is sickening. My guess is each lawyer gets His/Her bonus based on legal awards.

Absolutely disgusting.

Just another reason why I will NEVER buy/own an Apple product.




By GotThumbs on 9/19/2012 12:35:54 PM , Rating: 5
What I would simply LLLLLLL OOOOOO VVVVVV EEEEE is if the judge calls Apple on its greediness and says.....

"You just lost everything. Not one dollar goes to Apple"


By quiksilvr on 9/19/2012 12:54:14 PM , Rating: 5
In a fair world, that is what SHOULD happen.

NONE (I repeat) NONE of these patents have any merit or legal standing whatsoever. Shape, icon arrangement, multitouch, etc. are either already public domain or are so vague that it should not have been a patent to begin with.

Hopefully these patents get thrown out because this would be a slippery slope against other Android devices.


By Falacer on 9/19/2012 1:31:31 PM , Rating: 4
Apple will continue to exploit the flaws in the Copyright Law system until it is address or someone slaps them in the mouth (so to speak). I dont see any other tech companies that can/will do that.


By Amiga500 on 9/19/2012 2:30:25 PM , Rating: 1
Judge Amiga500 says (in Amiga-land)

If you cannot describe a shape numerically, then you should not be able to patent it as no effort has went in to developing it.

Apple have not described their shapes numerically.

Therefore, Apple have no IP worth protecting in that instance.

However, there are significant amounts of common sense in Amiga-land, which obviously does not apply within the legal profession.


By quiksilvr on 9/19/2012 2:52:39 PM , Rating: 5
Any patent regarding touch, multitouch, touch to zoom, pinch to zoom, etc. is public domain:

http://www.billbuxton.com/multitouchOverview.html

As for their design patents, rectangular screens with black border and curved edges has been done since the days of 2001: A Space Odyssey.

And gridded icons? Gimme a break:
http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/2009/03...


By retrospooty on 9/19/2012 3:22:11 PM , Rating: 4
IT seems that most thinking people agree.

http://hothardware.com/News/Apple-CoFounder-Steve-...


By Mint on 9/19/2012 8:56:25 PM , Rating: 2
That's awesome.

Reminds me of Patrick Moore, cofounder of Greenpeace, railing against his former organization for their anti-nuclear stance. IMO they're the single most responsible entity for CO2 emissions (not that I care much) and air pollution (bigger issue).


By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 9/19/2012 1:25:54 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I doubt (or at least, I hope) that Samsung will even be paying the original billion, much less three of them. This will get dragged up the appeals system and I imagine a lot of Apple's "victory" will get thrown out.


By rudolphna on 9/19/2012 5:55:34 PM , Rating: 2
This is hoenstly what I'm expecting to happen. No way Judge Koh wouldn't look at this raise an eyebrow and be all "Oh no you di'int" <insert awesome black woman head bob here>


By dark matter on 9/19/2012 1:11:26 PM , Rating: 4
Careful,

You'll have the chosen ones bringing down their wrath upon you for such blasphemy.

Seriously, Apple fans are getting more and more like Jihadists by the day. Totally deluded and aggressive.


By JasonMick (blog) on 9/19/2012 1:40:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Careful,

You'll have the chosen ones bringing down their wrath upon you for such blasphemy.

Seriously, Apple fans are getting more and more like Jihadists by the day. Totally deluded and aggressive.
Be careful, Tony Swash might look to take you out.

You know he'd give his life if his messiah (Tim Cook) asked for it. ;)


By ebakke on 9/19/2012 1:23:12 PM , Rating: 5
Well, this settles it for me. I'm wrapping up my AirPort Extreme and my two older iPods. I'm sending them back to Apple with a letter describing how I'll never purchase anything from them again. And I'll certainly advocate against Apple to anyone asking for my opinion.

If my employer didn't pay for my laptop, I'd send that back too.


By zerocks on 9/19/2012 1:48:46 PM , Rating: 3
You should inform your employer of said opinion and encourage him/her to return all their purchased Apple goods (bads) too!


By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 9/19/2012 2:46:56 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Because nothing says 'stop your 3 billion dollar lawsuit' like returning 3 inexpensive Apple products.

It's delivering the message that Apple's litigious approach to "competing" in the market is coming at the cost of public opinion. I'm not saying that public opinion of Apple is being affected on a large scale, but if that's the message he wants to send, how do you suggest he better send it?
quote:
Get off your high horse and stop this misguided attempt at self righteousness. IBM sold computers to Hitler and yet people still buy IBM computers and don't care one bit.

The first rule of debate is, you do not talk about Hitler, Nazis, or the Holocaust.
The second rule of debate is, you do not talk about Hitler, Nazis, or the Holocaust.


Also, IBM sold computers to the Nazis like two generations ago. Boycotting them now for something they did before WWII is not exactly analogous to boycotting Apple now for something they are doing now .

Which brings me to...
quote:
We are the all singing, all dancing crap of the world.... We're the bi-products of a lifestyle obsession.

Really? I mean, I like Fight Club as much as the next guy (maybe even more) but these quotes don't even relate to what's around them.
quote:
...and it's little issues like this that become so completely enthralling. We have no wars to protest, we have issues like returning old products to show our distaste at a lawsuit, of which outcome has no affect on our personal lives. One company wins, one loses, who cares.

If you consider technology to be important to you, then these issues really do matter. And the outcomes will affect your personal life unless you don't use technology at all. There's a profound difference between "no affect" and "an affect you don't notice or don't care about."
quote:
You are buying a product period, not the company or what you feel it represents.

That's kind of a thoughtless way to live.


By JasonMick (blog) on 9/19/2012 2:54:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also, IBM sold computers to the Nazis like two generations ago. Boycotting them now for something they did before WWII is not exactly analogous to boycotting Apple now for something they are doing now .
Exactly... Volkswagen was founded by the Nazi people's union and was a personal pet project of Hitler.

I don't see people lining up to boycott them.

You're judged by your actions in the present . Punitive punishment for past sins is a lot of what allowed the Nazis to take hold in Germany in the first place (see reparations).

In short, I agree it's silly to attack IBM without valid justification in a present context.

The debate is about Apple. Let's stay on topic and avoid the non sequitur and compulsive Godwin-ing


By web2dot0 on 9/19/2012 6:10:36 PM , Rating: 2
So you are saying that if Apple gets it's $3B and 10years later they stop doing "bad things" ..... you are not going to hold anything that they have ever done wrong against them right?

Just want to clear where you stand on this issue.

Because that's what most people did for Microsoft. Suddenly, Win8 is the "People's champion" :-D hahahaha.


By ebakke on 9/19/2012 4:23:42 PM , Rating: 2
The implication that I can't care about multiple issues simultaneously is fairly narrow minded of you. I'm also interested in, and also voice my opinion on, issues that you would likely deem "more important".

The fact that you cannot see how these lawsuits affect my life "in any way whatsoever" is saddening. Lawsuits such as these, do several things.
* First, they raise the price of consumer electronics. The lawyers don't work for free.
* Second, they stifle innovation. The risk of getting the bajesus sued out of you is a large enough risk to keep some people from developing what otherwise could've been the "next iPhone" or "next Facebook".
* Third, they discourage competition. Giant lawsuits between giant companies result in big cross-licensing agreements. Company A pays Company B $12.13 per phone, and Company B pays Company A $9.84 per tablet. That's fine for giant companies, but it squashes out the small players who can't afford to pay $XX per widget for something that never should've been patented in the first place.
* Lastly, if I were a Samsung shareholder (I might be, in some mutual fund or another) it would quite obviously affect me.

Those 4 items might not be important to you. It seems fairly apparent by your rant, that they are not. Fine. But to claim these lawsuits don't concern me or affect me in any way whatsoever, is asinine.


By Reclaimer77 on 9/19/2012 4:30:13 PM , Rating: 2
Just curious, but how much marijuana are you on currently? You sound like a REALLY stupid stoner trying to wax philosophical with half his brain working. So he uses movie quotes to back his incoherent ramblings.

Just...shut it.


By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 9/19/2012 6:04:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The FC quote I was aiming for was more of "We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives."

Yeah I kind of figured that's where you were trying to go, but you definitely didn't make it. :-P
quote:
I have friends who swore they would never buy another Apple product when stories came out about Apple using slave labor camps (which was BS) and pre-ordered the iPhone 5.

That speaks to the quality of your friends' characters, not to the quality of my character, or anyone else's for that matter.
quote:
Keep reality in check, these lawsuits do not concern you and will not affect your lives in any way whatsoever.

I guess if you're looking at the world through the eyes of Tyler Durden, you're probably right, but...
quote:
Its a little rectangle that goes in your pocket.

And the precedent (or one of the precedents) being set here is that your rectangle can't do this thing that that other guy's rectangle can do, because no matter how obvious of a thing it is, no matter how laughably straightforward, the company who made that guy's rectangle put a patent on it.

I'm not gonna sit here and detail why you're wrong about this stuff not mattering, because you obviously don't care, which is fine, and because ebakke already touched on some of it. If you care about more innovation, more progress, more companies designing and selling devices, then the precedents that these lawsuits will set is important. Period.


By nocturne_81 on 9/21/2012 7:28:38 PM , Rating: 1
Wait.. IBM sold computers to the Nazis..? xD

In a way, you are right.. though I don't see how a punch card system is what anybody would refer to as a 'computer'.


By tayb on 9/19/2012 1:54:38 PM , Rating: 2
What exactly do you expect lawyers to do...? They are lawyers. They try to maximize the reward for their client. That's what they are supposed to do. Blame Apple or the legal system, not the lawyers.


By Natch on 9/19/2012 2:54:46 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, they try to maximize their own reward...by maximizing their client's reward. No doubt, they will get more if the judge (foolishly) triples the damages.


I don't understand...
By Vertigo2000 on 9/19/2012 12:53:19 PM , Rating: 2
Didn't Apple say that it wasn't about the money? If that's the case, they should have been happy with the ruling and moved on.

If it's not about the money, why ask a judge to triple the fine?




RE: I don't understand...
By JackBurton on 9/19/12, Rating: -1
RE: I don't understand...
By dark matter on 9/19/2012 1:09:13 PM , Rating: 4
Great message for US Capitalism.

We don't let the customers decide. We get our judges to do it.

The US is turning more and more into a rogue country.

Oh, and BTW, the US is only a potential market of 312 million.

The rest of the world = 6.7 billion.

Do get over yourselves.


RE: I don't understand...
By ForceCredit on 9/19/2012 2:05:12 PM , Rating: 2
312 million people in which the average consumer has money to spare and a propensity for buying electronics gadgets.

If Market A has half the people of Market B but on average buy three times as much product, Market A is still better. A census won't tell you an accurate story of how valuable a market is.


RE: I don't understand...
By michael2k on 9/19/2012 8:03:28 PM , Rating: 2
Apple's been using judges since 1983:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._...

They won, then, as well as later against Digital Research and again in 1999 against eMachines and FuturePower, and again in 2008 against Psystar as well as Samsung in 2012.

They tried against Microsoft as well, but lost due to sloppy contract terms allowing Microsoft the right to copy them with Windows 1.0, and probably would have won against Intel and Microsoft for copying QuickTime in 1995 excepting that Apple was in fact going broke and settled for a $150m cash infusion from Microsoft.


RE: I don't understand...
By retrospooty on 9/19/2012 4:23:26 PM , Rating: 3
I think they need to send a clear message to Apple.

http://hothardware.com/News/Apple-CoFounder-Steve-...

"I don't think the decision of California will hold. And I don't agree with it -- very small things I don't really call that innovative," Wozniak told Bloomberg in an interview ."


RE: I don't understand...
By dark matter on 9/19/2012 1:10:05 PM , Rating: 2
Arrogance. And a biased judicial system offering protectionism.


RE: I don't understand...
By Tony Swash on 9/19/12, Rating: -1
RE: I don't understand...
By t_sandman on 9/19/2012 4:32:47 PM , Rating: 2
I've been coming to this site for 2 years now. After reading the articles I usually end up reading the comments section. Quite frankly, some of you give Tony quite a lot of crap, undeservedly so. Tony is quite capable of defending his train of thought but I just wanted some of you to know, from an outsider looking in, the Tony bashing is a bit overboard.

Tony, I may not always agree with your post but they are well written. I actually enjoy your comments. Some of you others, not so much!


RE: I don't understand...
By ie5x on 9/20/2012 3:46:42 AM , Rating: 2
Did you miss the "/sarcasm" tag?


RE: I don't understand...
By Any14Tee on 9/20/2012 11:10:50 AM , Rating: 2
Thats Ok Mum, I've got it covered

love & XXXXX

Anthony


Pyrrhic victory, if any
By nikon133 on 9/19/2012 5:22:58 PM , Rating: 2
The best Apple can hope for is to push Samsung away from Android, into... Microsoft hands.

I think we are already seeing results, both Samsung and HTC dedicating stronger to WP8 platform than they did before with WP7/7.5

And with MS behind them, they will be untouchable.

I have no doubts that Samsung can repeat their Android success with WP8, as long as their effort is not half-hearted. And if Apple does manage to make Samsung's marriage to Android unbearable, I have no problem seeing Samsung even more aggressive with WP8, if for no other reasons, then for pure defiance.

I'm wondering if Apple thought this out at all. Everyone allied with MS, with MS having the potential to be the most complete ecosystem, with traditionally strong ties with governments, enterprises and small/medium businesses, as well as home users... is that the future they see preferable to having Android to divide competition? Or are they delusional that much to expect that Samsung and likes will simply give up on smartphones and tablets, and lock themselves into their old business spheres, with not much space to grow any more?

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised that Apple is sharing opinion of their most loyal fans (one that every Apple forum is soaked with), that Windows 8 is total failure and everything related - desktop, tablet, phone - is destined to suffer the most embarrassing commercial death. But having actually been using Windows 8 on my office PC for the last two weeks, in a real world scenario, I sincerely think they are in for a good surprise...




RE: Pyrrhic victory, if any
By t_sandman on 9/19/2012 6:47:08 PM , Rating: 1
I don't think Apple was set on pushing Samsung from Android. I believe Apple decided that Samsung had features that was too close in comparison to the iPhone (not making a judgement, just telling you my impression of Apples thought process).

There are other Android handset manufacturers that are different enough from iOS that Apple has left them alone.

Eventually Samsung and other Android phone manufacturers will have to migrate to WP8. Googlerolla will eventually start to compete for that multi-billion dollar industry and I am sure they don't want to have to compete with 10 different manufacturers using the Google OS. So I think Samsung will have to eventually either move to WP8 exclusively or come up with an alternative OS to remain viable in the smartphone industry.

WP8 is so different than iOS that I am sure Apple is just fine with customers making that choice. Android on the ohter hand, since manufacturers overlay the Android OS with exclusive manufacture software/interface, sometimes the lines can be blurred when trying to distinguish Android interface from Apple (Not a judgement, just saying what I belive Apple is thinking).

I do envision that Microsoft/(Phone Manufacturers), Googlerolla, and Apple will eventually be the only smartphone choices.

For those of you who may have been around during the 70's and early 80's, for computers we had Apple, IBM, Microsoft/PCs, Commodore/Amiga.

Commodore was and is the number one best selling computer of all time. Estimates of over 20 million computers sold within 10 year time span. Shit load of market share for a computer. Too bad they are out of business. Software companies were able to create software without needing a license. Software companies flooded the market with crap software, and eventually Commodore ultimately died a slow painful death. (Other reasons for the death but story still relevant).

IBM is out of PC businees. Only two left are companies that licesned there OS and was able to have some control of third pary applications/hardware. You have seen video card manufacturers go through the same death pattern.

I envision the smartphone industry going down this same path. Not today or tomorrow but maybe next 5-6 years.


RE: Pyrrhic victory, if any
By michael2k on 9/19/2012 7:52:44 PM , Rating: 2
You seem to forget the point/part where Microsoft licensed Apple's patents (the same ones that they offered to, and was refused by, Samsung in 2010).

So Microsoft is already untouchable and Samsung, in moving to Microsoft, will have given Microsoft, and then Apple, the appropriate license fees.

Meaning Apple gets license fees from Samsung no matter how this turns out.


RE: Pyrrhic victory, if any
By nikon133 on 9/19/2012 10:15:36 PM , Rating: 2
It is my understanding that MS and Apple have some kind of cross-licensing agreement, so I'm not sure if any of them is paying anything to the other.

Samsung, of course, will have to pay MS for WP8 licensing. Don't know if that is less than they might end up paying to Apple, but considering that Apple is also gunning for banning number of Samsung products BESIDE taking fat amount of $ from Samsung, I have a feel Samsung would be on less shaky ground with MS, with expenses much easier to project.


RE: Pyrrhic victory, if any
By michael2k on 9/19/2012 11:40:15 PM , Rating: 2
Apple isn't giving these licenses to MS for free. For all we know the terms are for Office on the iPad. The point is that Apple's win isn't Pyhrric unless WP8 outsells Apple. That seems unlikely.


RE: Pyrrhic victory, if any
By nikon133 on 9/20/2012 12:58:17 AM , Rating: 2
Of course not - Apple is giving them for rights to use MS fat portfolio of patents. That is why it is called cross-licensing. We give you our patents, you give us yours. That is my understanding. If you have any specific info about payments from both sides, please share.

Re the other part - I think that WP is developing much faster than Android did at the same relative point in their timeline. What was achieved by Android and OEMs is not a coincidence - it already happened with Windows and OEMs (vs. everyone else). If OEM really stand behind WP platform, I believe they can repeat - and better - Android success.


RE: Pyrrhic victory, if any
By michael2k on 9/20/2012 4:56:22 AM , Rating: 2
You're claiming there's a cross licensing agreement, I'm merely pointing out that they have a license agreement and have used that as justification of asking Samsung $30 for the entire portfolio.


That's a huge fine
By tayb on 9/19/2012 1:51:16 PM , Rating: 2
That's an enormous fine. I sincerely hope the judge does not honor this request. $1 billion is a huge hit but $3 billion could cause serious financial problems for Samsung. Even if Samsung were willfully infringing on patents this amount of money is extremely excessive.

Tough to say what Koh will do but if she agrees to do this it will be hard to argue against the idea that she is biased toward Apple or biased against foreign companies (protectionism?).




RE: That's a huge fine
By JasonMick (blog) on 9/19/2012 2:04:07 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
That's an enormous fine. I sincerely hope the judge does not honor this request. $1 billion is a huge hit but $3 billion could cause serious financial problems for Samsung. Even if Samsung were willfully infringing on patents this amount of money is extremely excessive.

Tough to say what Koh will do but if she agrees to do this it will be hard to argue against the idea that she is biased toward Apple or biased against foreign companies (protectionism?).
Yup, it's one of those developments that makes you ask "Is this the real world?"

It'd be like if Kmart/Sears convinced a jury that Target and Wal-Mart infringed on its junk patents and then attempted to close down all Target and Wal-Mart stores by leveling billions in fines against them.

It's a pretty bad example to set, to allow an inferior competitor to flagrantly abuse the patent system to try to shut down a company that offers better product and prices to consumers and hence outsells it 2-to-1.


RE: That's a huge fine
By Tony Swash on 9/19/12, Rating: -1
RE: That's a huge fine
By nafhan on 9/19/2012 3:13:35 PM , Rating: 2
I'm annoyed by people who can't understand the difference between theft and copyright infringement.


RE: That's a huge fine
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/19/2012 3:18:19 PM , Rating: 1
And we can't stand iDouchebags like you...


RE: That's a huge fine
By retrospooty on 9/19/2012 4:24:47 PM , Rating: 2
"I sincerely hope the judge triples this request. I can't stand thieves."

Come on now, your Apple dreams cant even justify this one... Even Woz disagrees with you.

http://hothardware.com/News/Apple-CoFounder-Steve-...


Koh is a big part of the problem
By jnemesh on 9/19/2012 12:52:26 PM , Rating: 3
Judge Koh is blatantly biased towards Apple, and has been since this case began!

Samsung needs to go in front of a NON BIASED Judge and a new jury!




RE: Koh is a big part of the problem
By Mint on 9/19/2012 9:07:43 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think Koh did much to benefit Apple. I think Samsung was late with their evidence on purpose (how can you file late for a multi-billion dollar case?) so that they could try to influence the jury, yet still have something new to have grounds for an appeal.

The bigger problem in this verdict was the asshat jury foreman. He convinced the rest, due to his "experience", that prior art could be ignored for some BS reason.


Land Mine Patents.
By drycrust3 on 9/19/2012 4:13:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The request comes due to federal rules regarding "willful" infringement.

The problem with this is what is "willful"? The situation with Apple's patents is like walking into an unsign posted mined area, standing on a land mine buried in the ground, being killed, and then having the coroner say it was suicide.
Some of the patents in question are written in such a way that any normal person reading them would have almost no idea what Apple had a patent for, so how is Samsung supposed to avoid infringing upon Apple's patent if no one can understand it? You can't!
If this patent is worth $1B, then it was worth writing in a way that was clear and precise, with definitions for non-standard terms.
The situation with unintelligible patents is so bad that one could easily suspect that Apple thinks of what these patents cover after the patent was filed, and not before.




RE: Land Mine Patents.
By t_sandman on 9/19/2012 4:43:39 PM , Rating: 1
I would agree with your assesment if it were not for the fact that Samsung was 'warned' by Google. Google says to Samsung, dude, your shit looks too much like Apple shit. Samsung says, shut up and mind your own business. Somewhere during this time, Apple sends a notice to Samsung saying your are copying my shit. Samsung says, go screw yourself.

Samsungs whole defense was that it was prior art, not that Apples patents were too vague. I will agree that at least one of the patents was vague, the whole rounded corners shape design thingy (technical term). But that is only 1 out of 6 that Apple won. What about the other 5, screen bounce back and others.


RE: Land Mine Patents.
By michael2k on 9/19/2012 7:55:17 PM , Rating: 2
Willful means that Samsung acted intentionally even after being warned by Samsung's internal review, Apple's external offer to license, and Google's product review.

In other words, there were signs everywhere that a minefield is up ahead, and Samsung went in anyway. How is that not suicide?


IBM
By rbo on 9/19/2012 2:24:32 PM , Rating: 2
"IBM sold computers to Hitler"??




RE: IBM
By nafhan on 9/19/2012 3:24:33 PM , Rating: 2
I'm guessing he went with "sold computers to Hitler" because it is much more inflammatory than "sold tabulating equipment* to many countries around the world, including Germany, during the 30's". Apple's doing enough harm to the electronics markets as it is, bringing up Nazi's just seems unnecessary.

*They would not be considered "computers" by current definitions.


Zidane?
By foolsgambit11 on 9/19/2012 9:33:55 PM , Rating: 2
More like head butts Samsung out of the market.




RE: Zidane?
By Any14Tee on 9/20/2012 11:28:31 AM , Rating: 2
On my 'ed son, on my head!

Nah,......Samsung will bounce back and stronger. Apple will file for section 11 in 10 years time and Sammie will bail them out for $150m and, going forward again in the future, the Messiah from the grave will rescue them once more and the iSheep will rejoice the second coming. See a pattern? History always repeats itself.


By Narvanetsi on 9/19/2012 1:32:20 PM , Rating: 2
That's very good, because the Apple's people are just like spoiled children they want more when they get whatever they want. Now Samsung can add another front to it's fight with Apple in an antitrust suite. Despite Apple is a USA based company and Samsung considered foreign but i want this battle will be won by Samsung, at least they are not out sourcing everything and leave their own people job less.




By Beenthere on 9/19/2012 3:20:43 PM , Rating: 2
What the judicial system should do is fine both Apple and Samsung a Trillion dollars each - for use of Chinese slave labor to produce their products.

Of course that would mean that Tim Cook might only get $690 Million in compensation this year...




Quite Funny
By messele on 9/19/12, Rating: 0
"If you look at the last five years, if you look at what major innovations have occurred in computing technology, every single one of them came from AMD. Not a single innovation came from Intel." -- AMD CEO Hector Ruiz in 2007














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