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Analysts worry that the price of the iPhone 5C is too high for emerging markets like China

Apple's big iPhone event Tuesday failed to impress analysts, and they made that point clear with four major downgrades.

JPMorgan Chase & Co., Bank of America Corp., UBS AG, and Credit Suisse Group AG all downgraded Apple after the reveal of its iPhone 5C and 5S on Tuesday. This sent Apple's shares down as much as 5 percent in premarket trading Wednesday morning.

A few specifics are Credit Suisse Group AG's downgrade from "Outperform" to "Neutral" and Bank of America's downgrade to "Neutral" from "Buy." 

According to the four major financial firms, the 5C wasn't priced low enough to grab its intended audience (which would be emerging markets). For instance, in China (which is one of the targeted markets), the 5C will sell for $730 because the country doesn't have subsidized phones. 

One good note on the China front, though, is that Chinese regulators gave the final required license for the iPhone to work on China Mobile Ltd's mobile network. This is a great new opportunity for Apple to expand its number of users, but the question still remains: will Chinese users want to pay that much for the iPhone?

In addition to 5C worries, analysts believe the 5S' specs don't seem to match those of competitors like Samsung in the high-end market.  


iPhone 5C

Analyst Kulbinder Garcha, who has a price target of $525 a share for Apple, predicts that Apple’s smartphone market share will drop to 15.5 percent this year and 13.1 percent next year. This is a far fall from 2012's 18.1 percent market share. 

Despite this hard hit from four major financial companies, Apple did at least see a few increases in price targets after the 5C/5S announcements. For instance, Nomura analyst Stuart Jeffrey increased his price target for the stock from $420 a share to $480, and Canaccord Genuity analysts increased their price target from $530 to $550 a share.

Apple's stock has taken a beating over the last year since it's high of $705 in September 2012. It fell as low as $398.05 a share back in June of this year due to concerns regarding whether Apple still had the ability to innovate like it did in the days of the 2007 iPhone release and the 2010 iPad release. Since the death of former Apple CEO Steve Jobs, Apple has only released new versions of the iPhone and iPad, and hasn't created any new, revolutionary products. 

Apple's stock is sitting around $467 as of noon today. 

Sources: Google Finance, ValueWalk, The Wall Street Journal





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What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/11/2013 1:13:04 PM , Rating: 4
Releasing the "same thing but faster" can only work for so long. OK, its 2013, all high end phones are plenty fast enough. You need to work on features guys. Update your outdated UI and FFS, get a decent screen size and res, and remove the giant bezels.

CNN money called it "The iPhlop" LOL




RE: What did they expect?
By goatfajitas on 9/11/2013 1:16:15 PM , Rating: 3
"CNN money called it "The iPhlop""

I personally like the iMEh

I cant help but think that a larger screen version with higher res like we keep hearing rumpors on will well like crazy though. Seems like an obvious choice.


RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/11/13, Rating: 0
RE: What did they expect?
By kleinma on 9/11/2013 1:28:05 PM , Rating: 5
no they can't own the market, because there are LOTS of people who don't want to live in that ecosystem at all. I am one of them. I use android and windows devices, and don't own anything that runs iOS. Has nothing to do with screen size. Has everything to do with personal preference.


RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/11/2013 1:32:52 PM , Rating: 2
I am with you on that, I wouldn't buy it either, but if it existed, a hell of alot of people would. A lot of IOS defectors I see say they did so because they wanted a larger screen.


RE: What did they expect?
By Adonlude on 9/12/2013 7:34:12 PM , Rating: 1
I defected TO apple when the 3G came out because it was the best. I'm now pretty fed up with the tiny screen on my 4Gs and despite being stuck in the apple ecosystem ill be moving on to Android with my next phone if Apple doesn't come up with a real compelling reason to stay such as a BIGGER SCREEN.


RE: What did they expect?
By Keeir on 9/11/13, Rating: -1
RE: What did they expect?
By xti on 9/11/2013 1:51:40 PM , Rating: 2
THIS x1000. The only thing i think is gonna matter is screen size. it has to be obvious, specs alone dont mean jack to market share.

OS, NFC, crap like that only geeks care about, and we know they dont make up majority markets.


RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/11/2013 2:32:58 PM , Rating: 2
"The only thing i think is gonna matter is screen size. it has to be obvious, specs alone dont mean jack to market share"

Yup... The screen is definitely the most important. It's the part you look at and interface with 100% of the time. Especially true now that any high end phone is plenty fast enough. This is the main area where the iPhone lacks. It's very simple, if you want this or that OS, or any particular feature its one thing, you have to pick and choose what you want and what you can live without... But if you want a decent size screen with high PPI, the iPhone is simply not an option, so the rest of the specs are immediately thrown out.


RE: What did they expect?
By xti on 9/11/13, Rating: -1
RE: What did they expect?
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/11/13, Rating: 0
RE: What did they expect?
By xti on 9/19/2013 4:34:00 PM , Rating: 2
you have some weird man crush on me. its creepy.


RE: What did they expect?
By Kiffberet on 9/12/2013 8:07:20 AM , Rating: 1
Why do the Chinese pay $1000's of dollars to eat Panda schlong? 'cause its expensive!!

iPhone 5C will sell well, and everyone who owns one in China will be seen as rich and successful.

The Apple brand is worth a lot more than a lot of geeks on this site realise.

In business, margin is king. Not volume. Other phone makers can't get big margins because people aren't willing to pay the premium.


RE: What did they expect?
By ven1ger on 9/12/2013 4:56:34 PM , Rating: 2
While China and its population has some interesting dietary habits. Eating Pandas are strictly off-limits, since China gov't sees it not just as an endangered species but it does make good relations for China with the rest of the world. Chinese are willing to pay absurd amounts for ingredients because many of the hard to get or even illegal ingredients usually are attributed with health or sex drive or whatever reasons.

Most of China is still relatively low-income generating areas, it is mostly in the coastal cities that China's can probably appreciated something like the iphones and the cost. But even then that is mostly to the affluent, the average wage earner in China would still have to figure at least 2-3 months wages just to buy a phone for $700.


RE: What did they expect?
By StanO360 on 9/13/2013 4:29:06 PM , Rating: 2
Think 1/2 to 3/4 the wealth per capita of Mexico to give you a good idea. I'm sure they're buying $100 phones not $700 phones.


RE: What did they expect?
By BSMonitor on 9/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: What did they expect?
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/12/2013 10:23:06 AM , Rating: 3
Tr..Tr..Tr..Tr..oll! Hopefully, you will be the next banned with your ridiculousness.


RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/12/2013 10:38:11 AM , Rating: 2
Actually it was. I was highly impressed when Apple upped the game on res, and happy that they forced others to raise thier games on that front. We all benefit from that. Same deal with being the first widely available/useable multitouch OS. We all benefit from that. It's just that now, Apple has been outpaced on both fronts.

You can cry fanboy all you want. The fact is, I will happily drop Android the second something better comes along. I look forward to it, because it means something even better is available.


RE: What did they expect?
By testerguy2 on 9/12/13, Rating: 0
RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/12/2013 1:51:58 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, I did, and I said it many times since jackass.

Seeing how you STILL cant act like a civil adult human being even after being banned I am counting the assinine posts until your new account is banned.


RE: What did they expect?
By Solandri on 9/11/2013 2:51:30 PM , Rating: 5
35% is the iPhone's share of the U.S. smartphone market. Globally it's only about 15%. Around 5% if you look at all phones.

If anyone is "dominating" it's Android. It's closing in on 80% of global smartphone market share. The remainder being split mostly by Blackberry and Windows. This is really starting to look like Windows vs MacOS all over again, with Apple shooting themselves in the foot with their limited hardware selection. They insist(ed) on making the hardware and selling a combo hardware/software "platform", instead of breaking the two apart and letting competition do its magic.
http://www.tuaw.com/2013/08/07/idc-report-iphone-l...

I don't really see the point of doing manufacturer-by-manufacturer comparisons of market share unless you're investing in the stock of those manufacturers. I've switched between several different Android handsets and tablets because my data and purchased apps transfer over almost seamlessly. From my point of view, I'm buying a handset/tablet from AmasamLGsusTCrolany each time I upgrade. Just like I buy PCs for clients from HPellnovo.

It'll be interesting to see how the Chinese homebrew OSes affect this, since their smartphone market is second only to the U.S., and will eventually become the biggest.


RE: What did they expect?
By Tony Swash on 9/11/13, Rating: -1
RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/11/2013 3:42:09 PM , Rating: 5
by Tony Swash: "What I saw watching the iPhone event"

Is not what normal people see...

If nothing else, you have to admit you see Apple with more rose colored glasses than normal people do.


RE: What did they expect?
By ClownPuncher on 9/11/2013 3:51:45 PM , Rating: 5
All he does is recycle PR statements. I call him L. Ron Jobsard.


RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/11/2013 5:29:15 PM , Rating: 4
Or another good one could be Bob Loblaw. Tracking all Apples legal wranglings on the "Bob Loblaw Law Blog".


RE: What did they expect?
By ClownPuncher on 9/11/2013 6:59:51 PM , Rating: 1
BOBLOBLAW!


RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/11/2013 8:40:42 PM , Rating: 2
That was a law bomb...

That's a low blow, Loblaw...

That's a Bob Loblaw law bomb


RE: What did they expect?
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/12/2013 8:39:45 AM , Rating: 4
BETTER CALL SAUL!


RE: What did they expect?
By testerguy2 on 9/12/2013 1:39:54 PM , Rating: 1
Don't dirty Breaking Bad by talking about it.

You're... down there. And I'm... up here.


RE: What did they expect?
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/12/2013 2:16:31 PM , Rating: 2
You're...a nobody who thinks he is a somebody.


RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/12/2013 2:23:09 PM , Rating: 3
He really looks like a pathetic angry little boy right now. HE qactually made a new account after being banned, just to come back and get all pissy and insulting with everyone. What a giant loser. So little class.


RE: What did they expect?
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/12/2013 2:32:54 PM , Rating: 2
And not only made a new account, use the same name with a 2, not that it wouldn't have been obvious who it was if he had used a different name.


RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/12/2013 9:08:28 PM , Rating: 2
Did this giant loser just get banned a second time? LOL

Maybe testerguy3 or 4 will learn how to behave like an adult. Nah, I doubt it.


RE: What did they expect?
By Dr of crap on 9/12/2013 12:56:54 PM , Rating: 2
UMMmmmm, did BOTH of you WATCH this event??? AND WHY????

Its not life changing in ANY way. Its about a electronic product that will go on sale.

Watch the "event" - NO, NEVER for me thanks.


RE: What did they expect?
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/12/2013 12:59:22 PM , Rating: 3
Is any of Apple products life changing? No, but some people seem to think so and defend them to no end.


RE: What did they expect?
By elleehswon on 9/11/2013 3:53:22 PM , Rating: 5


quote:
They refused to dilute the their brand, and their brand is one of the world's most valuable.


actually their brand is classified as "neutral", downgraded from "buy"

quote:
iOS 6 now has the biggest installed base of any mobile operating system and probably of any operating system period,


Any operating system period?? That's cute. More like linux is on all android devices, half of all tablets, ~60% of all servers, and millions and millions of appliances have some sort of linux kernel.

Now sit down and shut up while grown people are talking!


RE: What did they expect?
By drewp on 9/11/2013 6:22:38 PM , Rating: 2
reading comprehension?

iOS6 vs what version of linux?


RE: What did they expect?
By elleehswon on 9/12/2013 10:52:00 AM , Rating: 2
irrelevant. he's arguing apples against fruit.

and arguing a moot point at that.


RE: What did they expect?
By testerguy2 on 9/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: What did they expect?
By Paj on 9/12/2013 9:18:21 AM , Rating: 2
Their brand still evolves according to market pressures. Skeuomorphic interfaces are dead - that's why they have updated their UI to be more in line with WP7 and Android 4+, which arguably got there first.

quote:
Numerous platform indicators show the same story, not just that iOS is easily the most used platform but that if anything it's domination of other mobile platforms is increasing.


Flat wrong - its shrinking.
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS2425...

It is Mac vs PC all over again. One manufacturer exerts tight control over both the hardware and software and sells them together. That's fine for a lot of people, and ideal for a premium brand like Apple.

The other approach is to sell the hardware and software separately, like Android does - thus giving people more choice over what hardware the phone runs on, and hence the absolute dominance of Android in terms of volume.

quote:
In all honestly there isn't a handset maker on the planet, not a mobile tech company in any market, that wouldn't trade places with Apple in a flash.


Pretty sure Samsung is happy with where they are right now.


RE: What did they expect?
By euler007 on 9/11/2013 6:01:15 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Keep in mind that under 10% of smartphone consumers would let personal preference over that type of thing affect the decision


But then again 83% of statistics are made up on the spot.


RE: What did they expect?
By Ammohunt on 9/11/2013 1:53:44 PM , Rating: 4
There is nothing wrong with the Apple ecosystem its no worse and sometimes better then others. I for one like the Apple ecosystem as far as i am embedded in it e.g. iTunes/AppleTV/iPads. That being said i didn't see anything yesterday phonewise that is worth the price tag associated with it. I will stick with my Nokia Windows phone thanks.


RE: What did they expect?
By althaz on 9/12/2013 12:31:31 AM , Rating: 2
I'm one of the ones who thinks the iPhones is doing just fine for screen size.

In fact I really like the new iPhone...except for iOS, which six years after its inception, is really starting to show its age. The graphical update in v7 is nice, but without no-brainer UI requirements like the back-button, they are a very long way away from enticing me into buying an iPhone again.


RE: What did they expect?
By flatrock on 9/12/2013 10:50:02 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with you about not wanting to deal with the Apple ecosystem. But I think that the number of people that will refuse to buy an Apple phone because of it is pretty small. I think the number that dislike it but would still buy an iPhone anyway is much larger.

For most people having to get their stuff through Apple offers a simple, convenient consistency which is probably more of a benefit to them than it is irritating.

Android spreads across a lot more products at a lot more price points, and that is why it is gaining so much market share. I don't think Apple can cover that many price points without losing their ability to market their products as premium, practically luxury items.

They have had tremendous success, but it doesn't look to be sustainable, and we aren't seeing evidence of the next new product that could continue fuel sales growth. A lot of Apple's stock value is based not only on their profitability but their potential for future growth.

I see little danger of Apple becoming unprofitable, but their stock value isn't sustainable without growth, and I don't see where that growth is coming from. Apple is a wildly profitable company, but that doesn't mean that the stock is a good value at it's current price.


RE: What did they expect?
By 91TTZ on 9/11/2013 1:40:21 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Update your outdated UI


What is wrong with the UI? It works fine. It seems to be well-designed.


RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/11/2013 1:43:43 PM , Rating: 4
I just dozed off thinking about the answer. LOL.

It's just outdated. Boring icons, no widgets, no back button, no customizations to make it operate exactly the way you want it to operate. It's just the way some product manager in Cupertino decided you should want it to operate and no other way to go.


RE: What did they expect?
By Argon18 on 9/11/13, Rating: -1
RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/11/2013 2:48:41 PM , Rating: 5
"You've just described Microsoft Windows. Lol. No customization, you get what you get, just as Redmond has dictated."

I have been customizing my Windows for years, I have no idea what you mean by that.

"iPhone doesn't need a back button like Android, as the "back" function is implemented on-screen in the iPhone menus."

It depends on the app. Some have it, some dont, some have it in a different spot. It's never consistent , that is the problem with it because it should be on the OS level, not app level.


RE: What did they expect?
By artemicion on 9/11/2013 6:08:39 PM , Rating: 3
Having gotten used to the "back" and "menu" buttons on my Note 2, I personally wish IOS devices had the same buttons, but I can't say Apple's design decision was a bad call.

Anecdotally, I know lots of less tech-savy Android owners who just don't "get" the "back" and "menu" buttons on their phones. I don't understand why, but for some reason it is just not intuitive for some people to grasp the fact that the "back" and "menu" buttons on their Android phones are universal, meaning that they have fairly predictably functionality regardless of what app you are in.

Also, even though the extra buttons on Androids for "back" and "menu" have the potential to create a more efficient experience on Android devices, it also leaves room for App developers to seriously F up the design of their apps. I have a bunch of terribly designed Android apps on my phone that have quirky implementation of the "back" and "menu" buttons. Navigating the ESPN Fantasy Football app is a pain on Android because it relies on unintuitive "back" button navigation/behavior (you never really know when you're at the top level menu, so a number of times i've hit "back" to try to get somewhere, only to get kicked out to the home screen). It also doesn't use the "menu" button at all, which is stupid. The IOS version of the same app doesn't have that problem because the navigation is done on screen.


RE: What did they expect?
By BSMonitor on 9/12/2013 9:40:26 AM , Rating: 1
So, the Android phanboy has extensive experience with iPhone Apps???

LMAO you are a trip.


RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/12/2013 10:40:24 AM , Rating: 2
I have 2 iPad 4's on my desk as we speak, and just sent out an iPhone5 yesterday. I setup and play with all types of models on a daily basis as we send them out to our users. What of it?


RE: What did they expect?
By testerguy2 on 9/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: What did they expect?
By FITCamaro on 9/11/2013 2:57:09 PM , Rating: 5
What world do you live in that Windows can't be customized?


RE: What did they expect?
By Wererat on 9/11/2013 3:16:24 PM , Rating: 2
In this you couldn't be more wrong.

WP8 has a stunning level of customization; you can turn nearly every app into at least:
- A mere icon that launches the app; or
- A medium size icon/widget that displays some dynamic information; or
- A large icon/widget that displays detailed information.

App developers have the option to include two-tone displays that follow the user's color preferences or full-color iconography that doesn't.

That said, I think the 5c fails not because it's bad, but because its competition is at least equal and much less expensive. On the Android front, a Nexus 4 is ... $200 now? On the WP8 side, the Lumia 521 is $130. Both of these are off-contract prices. Apple has to compete against that; and the c doesn't. Apple's been there with Wow features (as in, "wow, nobody else has this") and these latest iterations ... well, hey, I can put my finger on the screen. Cool, but not Wow.

(Also, from a design perspective, the Nokia bright colors win over the 5c pale pastels.)


RE: What did they expect?
By tim851 on 9/11/13, Rating: 0
RE: What did they expect?
By inighthawki on 9/11/2013 5:46:20 PM , Rating: 2
The difference is that Android is so customizable that the experience across every phone is radically different. WP manages to have a high level of customizability but with the same core functionality. iOS is just bottom of the barrel at customization.

To say WP isn't very customizable would be ridiculously false, but I think we can agree that Android can go above and beyond. The real question is whether or not that is a good thing.


By StevoLincolnite on 9/11/2013 6:48:27 PM , Rating: 2
You can change the wallpapers on a Windows Phone 8 start screen.

You can also apply (with an App) a wallpaper over your tiles, which looks pretty freaking cool on my Lumia 920.


RE: What did they expect?
By chripuck on 9/11/13, Rating: -1
RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/11/2013 5:31:33 PM , Rating: 2
mmmmm.... no


RE: What did they expect?
By testerguy2 on 9/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/12/2013 1:56:24 PM , Rating: 5
You are a real peice of work. You get banned for acting like an angry child, then you come right back acting like and angry child.

LOL @ your pathetic ass. I am soooooooo over your stupidity. Go webstalk elsewhere trollboy, I am not biting.


RE: What did they expect?
By Da W on 9/11/2013 1:42:04 PM , Rating: 1
It's just a PHONE.


RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/11/2013 1:44:53 PM , Rating: 2
Are you suggesting hey drop the "smart" from it? Nah, its still a smartphone, just not as smart as its competitors. ;)


RE: What did they expect?
By testerguy2 on 9/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/12/2013 1:49:17 PM , Rating: 2
Going for a 2nd ban I see.


RE: What did they expect?
By KoolAidMan1 on 9/11/2013 9:23:12 PM , Rating: 4
Widgets, waving gestures, and other gimmicks aren't important factors. Proof is in high end Galaxy sales being flat even with Samsung and Apple nearly doubling overall sales YoY. Its also in 5"+ devices being in the minority of smartphones. Samsung's growth has all been in the low end. HTC and Motorola have taken a beating with their high end phones.

The only relevant data point for the AAPL downgrade is price. People beloved that Apple was going to make a slow cheap device to compete with all the other low end phones running Android and they didn't.

The high end market is close to a ceiling. Apple will not give up profit margins and they won't cut corners on hardware, so they won't make a cheap iPhone for low income folks. They didn't do it with the iPod, they aren't doing it with the iPad, and they won't do it with the iPhone. What they did with the 5C is a cost effective way to resell last year's model like they've always done, except that this is both cheaper to produce and it markets better since its "new". The 32GB 5C will do very well since its fast and it costs the same as the 16GB 5S.

I don't know why people thought a low cost iPhone was even a possibility, Apple doesn't do low end. As long as they don't serve the low end it puts a ceiling on sales.


RE: What did they expect?
By Tony Swash on 9/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: What did they expect?
By BRB29 on 9/12/2013 7:20:33 AM , Rating: 4
I have to say Tony actually did get some things right here.

Apple iOS platform is very consistent and stable. The apps are very stable and the OS doesn't crash as often. I also seem to have less memory leak problems with apple devices compared to my Android devices.

But all this has nothing to do with iOS being superior. Android can be customized so many ways, it's almost limitless. There's a ton of choices for hardware and OS versions.

i don't think Apple is superior in any way. I think many people perceived it that way because of its closed platform benefits. Any closed platform would obviously have less crashes and bugs. It should work better because there's less variations.

Apple being able to charge more is no different than Geek Squad charging you $50 for labor to insert a stick of RAM in your laptop.

If you are a simpleton and just want a phone to work then go with Apple. If you want are more savvy and wants option, then go with Android.


RE: What did they expect?
By KoolAidMan1 on 9/12/2013 8:02:12 AM , Rating: 3
This is the same argument Linux zealots use to justify it over Windows.

I had a GS3 and a Note 2. Both were overpriced for their lack of polish and Android still being a half-baked OS. Some people would rather jerk off over their homescreen, compile their own kernal, whatever. For me, being "closed" isn't bad when tweakability isn't as big a benefit as faster performance, better apps, and more stability. I like to actually use my PC and phone. Everything else is a waste of time for me


RE: What did they expect?
By Tony Swash on 9/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/12/2013 12:24:12 PM , Rating: 2
"All too often the fact that something is complex and requires a great deal of user configuration, trouble shooting and management is confused with being better. Why? You wouldn't say such an absurd thing about a car or a washing machine."

Uh... Yes, people would. A simple washing machine has one setting. "start" an advanced model has perm press, deactivates, whites, colors, and different modes for each, with temp control, drain and spin, etc.

Tony, you can say IOS is simple and intuitive and get away with it, but you cannot argue, it's behind the rest of the major OS's on functionality and supported features. It's fast and simple and lacking features, that is all there is to say.


RE: What did they expect?
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/12/2013 12:50:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
but you cannot argue, it's behind the rest of the major OS's on functionality and supported features.
Yet...he does.


RE: What did they expect?
By testerguy2 on 9/12/13, Rating: 0
RE: What did they expect?
By Paj on 9/12/2013 9:08:38 AM , Rating: 2
The new iOS is actually really quite nice. I'm an android man through and through, but I'm still a fan of what they've done - getting rid of all the lame skeumorphism, false leather and all that junk. A bit overdue perhaps, but still welcome.


RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/12/2013 12:29:13 PM , Rating: 2
That's all just a facelife though. The UI hasnt changed at all since 2007 other than copying Android's notifications, and WebOS's multitasking. The facelift/flat part is very WP8 ish. EVerything they have changed is just copying other OS's features and looks other than 64 bit, which will be cool at some point in the future, but not yet.


RE: What did they expect?
By BSMonitor on 9/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: What did they expect?
By retrospooty on 9/12/2013 12:39:41 PM , Rating: 5
What is your point there genius? That Android supports multiple screen formats? We already knew that. If you are implying that manufacturers modify their products to match what sells well and that Apple had a hit with the iPhone in 2007 you would be correct. What of it? Are you trying to say no-one else should be allowed to make a multitouch smartphone now because Apple was 1st to market with it?

Apple also copied Androids notifications and WebOS's multitasking. Should they then be forced to remove those features because they weren't first with it? Apple copied the whole smartphone idea in the first place from Palm and RIMM. Should it have been banned? Of course not. Get over yourself. Businesses copy the working ideas of other businesses. It's how business has been ran since the dawn of civilization. Apple does it as much as any company.

In the end the best product at the best price wins. That is called competition and its how the free market works and always has.


RE: What did they expect?
By SAN-Man on 9/12/2013 1:13:50 PM , Rating: 2
I don't get why the iPhone has the enormous bezel. They needed it in 2007, not anymore.

Honestly making the screen larger isn't appealing to me. I like the size of the iPhone and dislike larger phones. I don't own an iPhone (probably never will) but there things it does right.

The HTC One Mini is probably my next phone.


RE: What did they expect?
By DJ Brandon on 9/13/2013 11:43:25 PM , Rating: 2
Ive owned every iPhone and iPad made thus far. I have defended apple with tooth and nail since the inception of the iPhone.

That being said this is by far the biggest joke of an upgrade I have ever seen in my life. I know the middle iphone is always smaller but come on. There is also NO reason for the iPhone 5c. All they had to do is drop the iPhone 5 in price like they normally do. The fact that Tim also said "years ago the market was about speed and graphics.... that's no longer the case." What planet is this guy living on? Speed and graphics are no longer a worry? I am considering for the first time buying a phone that isn't Apple. =( Galaxy note 3 or Gs4... can't decide.


so far
By p05esto on 9/11/2013 3:18:56 PM , Rating: 4
I can't believe how far Apple has fallen. A few years ago everyone wanted an Apple product, now only old uncool people still think Apple is cool and buy their products. The tide sure shifted quickly. But good riddence, the DRM and locked up Apple iTunes garbage was tiring indeed.




RE: so far
By chripuck on 9/11/2013 3:30:41 PM , Rating: 2
They're making billions of dollars every quarter and they're sitting on a 100 billion dollars in cash. They make more money in a quarter than every other smart phone maker not named Samsung COMBINED. Apple has hardly "fallen", they're just in a mature market place, the same as everyone else. And frankly, they're content to keep 15%-20% of the market provided they can maintain their insane margins.


RE: so far
By Dorkyman on 9/11/2013 3:53:13 PM , Rating: 3
You're not hearing what he's saying. Apple is no longer "cool" to many people. Here in Portland I see many young people clinging to their iProducts. I talk to them and it becomes obvious that they have a powerful need to belong, to be part of the herd. Exactly like that funny cartoon a few years back where the woman was told about the iPhone's shortcomings and she simply repeated the mantra "I don't care."

But if you're happy with a niche market share while the rest of the world moves on, hey, go for it.

Disclaimer: I worked for Apple back when the Mac was born. Back then we truly were changing the world. Now, not so much. I currently run a PC and have an Android on my belt.


RE: so far
RE: so far
By chripuck on 9/12/2013 10:00:59 AM , Rating: 2
Here's the real rub: cool is a term invented by teenagers to make themselves feel superior to their adult counterparts. When you hit adulthood you realize that everything that was "cool" really wasn't and "cool" is relative to each and every person.

The stark fact is that they are by far the most profitable consumer electronics company on the face of the Earth. The measure of their coolness is in the dollars people are willing to pay to use their devices.

And don't paint me as an Apple fanboy. I despise Mac's for many different reasons and I refuse to ever own one. The only device I currently see ever owning from Apple will be iOS based because as limited as the OS is, it just works for it's intended target/use case scenario: mobile products.


RE: so far
By Wiggim on 9/11/2013 3:43:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
...now only old uncool people still think Apple is cool and buy their products

You hit it! That should be Samsung's next add: A bunch of over 50 types (I can say that because I am) with their reading glasses on in an iStore line waiting for their new phone. Brilliant.


RE: so far
By retrospooty on 9/11/2013 3:46:38 PM , Rating: 2
Funny... My mother (in her 50's) and Grandmother (in her 70's) do both have iPhones. LOL


RE: so far
By troysavary on 9/11/2013 5:11:38 PM , Rating: 1
I laugh at people so concerned about there image that they worry about how others that have a certain device are perceived and how carrying or not carrying said device would make them look in comparison to said group. Android fans are so quick to call Apple fans image conscious hipsters, yet then pride themselves to be counter-hipsters in some sort of herd mentality that is as strong as Apple's herd mentality ever was. Was should you care what the age of iPhone owners is. Why would that even register in your purchase decision? As overhyped as Apple was a couple years ago, iFans have nothing on current Fandroids for obnoxiousness about their choice.

I have no particular desire for a smartphone at all, but if for some reason I had to choose between an iPhone or an Android device, based on current devices, I'd have to go with the iPhone.


RE: so far
By retrospooty on 9/11/2013 5:36:37 PM , Rating: 2
I wasn't making a comment about image. It's more about tech to me. And the the iPhone is the best phone for technical illiterates like most old ladies. My mother and Grandma are perfect examples. They know zero about tech and therefore the iPhone is a good choice for them. It's a simple UI, it doesnt do much, so not many choices to make or ways to be set up.


RE: so far
By StevoLincolnite on 9/11/2013 6:54:23 PM , Rating: 3
I found Windows Phone to be easier for the oldies.

My grandmother who never used a phone (She is in her 70's), picked mine up and was into it straight away, easy to read and navigate thanks to the tiles and comparatively large text and much larger screen, which is important when your eyesight starts to diminish with age.


RE: so far
By Reclaimer77 on 9/11/2013 6:27:27 PM , Rating: 5
You're joking right? I don't even know where to begin.

Leapers are treated with more compassion than Apple fans regard someone who rolls with Android...

For over 20+ years, you've never seen a more arrogant and obnoxious group of people.

I literally cannot believe you even said that. I mean I've never once heard Android users claim they are more intelligent just for picking a phone. Yet the cult-of-Apple routinely make claims that Apple users earn a higher wage (more professional) and flat out have a higher IQ. The pure narcissism it takes to say that with a straight face..it's beyond me.

And please, let's not even get into half the crap that came out of Steve Jobs mouth, that inspired his religion-like minions to epic levels of arrogance and hyperbole.

I think you're just interpreting the push-back against pro-Apple trolls and douches by the Android crowd as something else entirely.


RE: so far
By ClownPuncher on 9/11/2013 7:05:28 PM , Rating: 2
To be fair, the Apple zealots here at DT have a disproportionate amount of crazy in their misshapen heads.


RE: so far
By retrospooty on 9/11/2013 8:51:00 PM , Rating: 2
"Leapers are treated with more compassion than Apple fans regard someone who rolls with Android...For over 20+ years, you've never seen a more arrogant and obnoxious group of people."

So true. Tester, BSmonitor, Macdevdude,JackBarton, Nortel , and several others here are some of the most obnoxious human beings I have ever ran across in my life. Those are just examples, and of course not all Apple zealots are like that, but FAR too many are like that, and worse. All for a lying sack of crap company. I just don't get it.


RE: so far
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/11/2013 9:03:47 PM , Rating: 2
TG is banned :)


RE: so far
By retrospooty on 9/11/2013 11:08:40 PM , Rating: 2
Is he? It's not surprising since he is so incredibly obnoxious and condescending... I'm sure he is going on off one of many other IDs here. Possibly even one of the ones I mentioned.


RE: so far
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/12/2013 7:15:15 AM , Rating: 2
He is :)


RE: so far
By retrospooty on 9/12/2013 8:56:38 AM , Rating: 1
LOL... I am 100% sure rather than taking it in and contemplating why his behavior gets him banned and how he could potentially not act like such a seeping douchebag, he will just blame the site staff for bias... ehelewser.


RE: so far
By KoolAidMan1 on 9/12/2013 8:09:29 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I literally cannot believe you even said that. I mean I've never once heard Android users claim they are more intelligent just for picking a phone.


You're kidding, right? This place is a big Android circle jerk. Anything Windows Phone or iOS gets demeaned by the same peanut gallery. It's always "if you don't use Android you're an idiot" and making excuses for all its problems.

If you're going to do nothing but trash other platforms you should at least OWN IT. Don't be such a coward!


RE: so far
By chripuck on 9/12/2013 10:07:17 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed: I'm tired of hearing the same boring rant. "It doesn't have 1080p, it doesn't have an hexacore processor, it doesn't have USB 3, it doesn't have a back button."

We. Do. Not. Care. I want my phone to work and if I want to fiddle with it I'll jailbreak it. I want the largest selection of apps and to be of the highest quality. There isn't an Android phone on the market that can best the iPhone to those claims.

And here's the real rub, 90% of the problems with Android are actually with the manufacturers and not the OS itself (outside of app marketplace which Play is finally catching up in quality on.) If Google can really leverage Motorola to create a vertically integrated product then they can really take it to Apple on those fronts. I welcome that day because unlike the Android fanboys here, I see the benefit in both OS's.


RE: so far
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/12/2013 10:51:51 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
We. Do. Not. Care.
You. Do. Not. Care.

You do not speak for others. Thank God.


RE: so far
By ven1ger on 9/12/2013 5:12:14 PM , Rating: 2
"90% of the problems with Android are actually with the manufacturers and not the OS itself"

Any citations to that? I thought it was more around 50% currently. Considering that older phones are being replaced with many of the newer ones, that 90% may have been several years ago, with older phones not being able to get updates.

As to your issue with people ranting about features, well, take it this way, others have issues with how others rant about it has a metal case vs plastic, etc. If you like a product for what it has, good for you, if not then why grumble about those that complain about products not having features they want?


RE: so far
By Reclaimer77 on 9/12/2013 5:02:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This place is a big Android circle jerk.


Know why?

Because the big pro-Apple posters have been so troll'ish, so immature, and just downright obnoxious that they've mostly been banned.

Great representatives aren't they?


RE: so far
By KoolAidMan1 on 9/12/2013 7:05:21 PM , Rating: 1
Hardcore Android fans here are worse than any Mactard even at the height of the Mac/PC wars. People here are actually getting all excited over Samsung's next marketing blitz, talking about "image", all while bashing anything that isn't Android. Give me a break.

Your posts are like hearing white middle class males talk about how oppressed they are.


RE: so far
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/12/2013 7:19:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
People here are actually getting all excited over Samsung's next marketing blitz, talking about "image", all while bashing anything that isn't Android. Give me a break.
They are?


RE: so far
By Reclaimer77 on 9/12/2013 8:14:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
People here are actually getting all excited over Samsung's next marketing blitz


Huh?

I don't even know what the next blitz is. I guess I'm not hardcore enough.

And I've never camped outside for ANY electronic device. Android phones are just a utility to me. Not a social movement, not a cult, not a club, not a "I'm special" thing.

quote:
Your posts are like hearing white middle class males talk about how oppressed they are.


The black man in the White House is keepin' me down! :) lol. Dude you're a riot with that stuff...


RE: so far
By KoolAidMan1 on 9/13/2013 3:50:06 AM , Rating: 2
Absolutely. All the back-patting here whenever Samsung release a new ad is funny and hypocritical. Even here there's a post by Wiggim dreaming of what their next ad could be.

Regarding not camping out for the newest product, the same can be said for most people with iPhones and iPads. Apple products went way beyond the "cult" phase years ago. They are totally mainstream products used by average normal people. Trying to paint the "other" as deluded cultists is a cheap strawman and a logical fallacy that would get an F in English 101.

Again, you're too much of a coward to own your bias. If you're going to be a closed minded fanboy then at least own it instead of playing some passive-aggressive victim card.


RE: so far
By Reclaimer77 on 9/13/2013 8:10:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Again, you're too much of a coward to own your bias. If you're going to be a closed minded fanboy then at least own it instead of playing some passive-aggressive victim card.


Yawn. Your attempts at analysis to gain insight, or to judge me, bore. I've openly stated several times that I just downright hate Apple. I've "owned it".

quote:
Absolutely. All the back-patting here whenever Samsung release a new ad is funny and hypocritical. Even here there's a post by Wiggim dreaming of what their next ad could be.


WOW one guy made a post, who I don't even know. Who was probably joking or being witty, hard to tell with text. Man, case closed! You've nailed it.

quote:
Trying to paint the "other" as deluded cultists is a cheap strawman and a logical fallacy that would get an F in English 101.


Well no actually if it was well written, had a good format, and used proper grammar it would get an A+ in English 101.

And you know Reclaimer77 didn't invent the cult-like stigma surrounding Apple, right? Can we be clear about that. I also didn't invent the "Reality Distortion Field". You can argue with me all day, but in the end I'm one person. EVERYONE ELSE sees this stuff too besides just me. Where there's smoke, there's fire. There must be SOME truth to it for so many people over the years to make the same observations, jokes, and stereotypes about Apple.

So really, thanks for playing. Come again :)


RE: so far
By KoolAidMan1 on 9/18/2013 2:41:31 AM , Rating: 2
The only people using the "cult" card are stuck in the 90s. Apple is way too mainstream and goes far beyond the diehard few now. It's a dumb strawman.

Tone deaf and stupid sums up everything else you've said. Fanboys are the best


RE: so far
By robinthakur on 9/12/2013 8:42:18 AM , Rating: 2
I personally found the Android fans to be far worse when I moved over to a Galaxy 3 and found them pretty aggressive and chippy that somebody would move from a 4S to an Android phone and not think it was a better experience. I eventually bought a 5 when it came out and have been very happy with my decision. I have however on occasion also lamented some of the smug condescending responses on the Apple support communities to what seem like reasonable questions.

Basically they are both just as bad as each other, and the Android trolls are definitely more numerous around here. Outside of Dailytech, the world does not hate Apple as much, or they wouldn't be sitting pretty on a $100 billion cash pile.

Pretty much every launch of an Apple product ever since the iPod has been slammed by Dailytech users...I wouldn't really read too much into it :) From my use of iOS 7 for the past couple of months on my IP5, it feels really odd going back to iOS6 on my iPad, it is quite a good OS, and once the apps support it properly, so much the better. If you believed Daily Tech, you'd believe that seemingly the whole world was holding out for a Windows based tablet, until it was actually released and hardly anyone bought one.

The Smartphone market is now mature. It's not necessarily a question of whether Apple is doing worse, it isn't, its margins are still nice and high, its just that everybody else is not really making much money from it besides Samsung and even they appear to have run out of ideas. Given how well Air scrolling works, perhaps they would be better off adding a fingerprint sensor next refresh on the G5.


RE: so far
By flyingpants1 on 9/14/2013 11:12:59 AM , Rating: 2
You could have picked a better comparison. The S3 just destroys both the 4S and 5.

The 5C and 5S marks the fifth time Apple has re-released the iPhone 4. Sooner or later they will have to change something besides colors.


RE: so far
By BSMonitor on 9/12/2013 9:45:16 AM , Rating: 1
Ranting idiot! Ranting idiot!! Out of the way please, rating idiot!!

Really, bashing a dead man?? LMAO

You earned it bro... Probably without Apple, your phone would look like it does... Probably... LMAO

http://www.pcworld.com/article/254539/original_and...


RE: so far
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/12/2013 10:19:59 AM , Rating: 1
Holy shit dude, get a fucking grip.


RE: so far
By retrospooty on 9/12/2013 10:45:25 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... He's another on eof these nutchildren http://i.imgur.com/aPvpf0c.png


RE: so far
By fic2 on 9/11/2013 5:36:57 PM , Rating: 2
So, your saying that Samsung's next ad should be the same as what they did for the S3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJafiCKliA8


RE: so far
By Wiggim on 9/11/2013 10:10:40 PM , Rating: 2
Two over 50 looking people out of maybe thirty or forty? Not really the same is it.


RE: so far
By fic2 on 9/12/2013 1:19:57 PM , Rating: 2
The guy with the S3 saving a spot in line for his parents is the point.


RE: so far
By Byte on 9/12/2013 7:24:53 AM , Rating: 2
You mean Justin Long isn't cool anymore!?!


It was a bit disappointing, yes.
By Guspaz on 9/11/2013 5:18:49 PM , Rating: 3
I'm a pretty big iPhone fan. My current smartphone is an iPhone. My previous one is an iPhone. My next one will probably be an iPhone. I was somebody who argued that the iPhone 5 was a substantial enough improvement. So I'm not an Apple hater by any stretch of the imagination...

I think Apple messed up. There are two major things missing in the iPhone product lineup: a cheap model, and a big-screen model. Apple had the perfect opportunity to address both. First, they had the chance to introduce the iPhone 5C at a price point $200-300 lower than the iPhone 5 (a combination of the lower cost of manufacture and accepting a smaller margin makes that possible). Second, they had a chance to introduce a larger screen model of iPhone 5S; they could have produced a 4.0" version alongside a 4.7" model that shared the same design language.

Apple did neither of these things, nor did they give the phones a much needed storage bump. $100 for an extra 16GB is silly: if they really wanted to keep that pricing scheme, they should have gone from 16/32/64 to 32/64/128 at the same pricepoints.

They had so many opportunities this time around to make several changes to their product lineup that would have made them competitive with Android devices again, and they blew it big time. The 5S isn't a bad phone, but it only addresses a narrow portion of the market. The 5C, for its part, is a bizarre thing, a phone that would probably be enormously popular if it was priced two hundred bucks cheaper...




By RocketChild on 9/11/2013 5:59:36 PM , Rating: 2
Of all the comments, I think you really line it up right without all the Android is better stuff. Apple is perfect for a certain people and they had a great window to really keep them on board.
I'm seeing too many people that have iPhones get to see all the whiz-bang cool stuff their friends with a Galaxy can do and if they have the savvy, jump. Others stay out of comfort and habit, but over time, that will change if Apple does fails at these opportunities.
The older crowd issue mentioned earlier in the threads, that cling to the iPhone, they like bigger screen because of vision. That is part of the factor for jumping away from the comfort of the IOS ecosystem. A simple screen size bump.


RE: It was a bit disappointing, yes.
By jahwarrior on 9/11/2013 6:02:52 PM , Rating: 2
im a big iphone/ipad fan, I have the 4s and iPad 4, I was waiting/hoping for the 5s with a larger screen to update, this is the first time im actually considering switching to android...if it wasn't for the ipad I would easily switch...

i agree it is past time for the premium iphone to have a storage update 32/64/128 and a larger screen at a minimum
increases in speed are a given for ANY refresh.

5s should have been the budget model, apple should turn the s designation into the budget designation

iphone 6 should be an ultra premium model, I mean pull out all of the freaking stops, people would buy it even at a higher price point.


RE: It was a bit disappointing, yes.
By corduroygt on 9/11/2013 10:45:43 PM , Rating: 2
Keep the iPad so you can still use facetime and iMessage and your apps, and get the Nexus 5, because anything other than stock Android is garbage.


By piroroadkill on 9/12/2013 7:10:58 AM , Rating: 2
Huh, I really liked Sense on top of Gingerbread back in the day. More than CyanogenMod in some ways, honestly.


By kamiller422 on 9/11/2013 6:30:18 PM , Rating: 4
I'm a pretty big iPhone fan. My current smartphone is an iPhone. My previous one is an iPhone. My next one will probably be an iPhone.

And that is why Apple failed.


RE: It was a bit disappointing, yes.
By w8gaming on 9/11/2013 6:34:00 PM , Rating: 2
That is called arrogance. The moral of the story is if a company becomes the #1 richest company in the world too quickly, its ego become so big that it ends up fail to see what is its own shortcomings and did not do anything about it until it is too late. There are several features lots of people can see is missing from the iPhone offering. SDCard, screen size and better resolution, stylus, AMOLED etc. Apple is blinded to the fact that sometimes it is simply the inclusion of such feature will sway the purchase decision. "One size fits all", the wet dream of many companies, which never works out great in real life when competitors start doing things differently.


By inighthawki on 9/11/2013 9:21:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
if a company becomes the #1 richest company in the world too quickly, its ego become so big that it ends up fail to see what is its own shortcomings

I don't think this is new for Apple. they've been like this since even before they got to the top.


By chripuck on 9/12/2013 10:12:11 AM , Rating: 2
Ego? You clearly don't know business.

No the biggest issue with the iPhone becoming so big, so quickly is the fear of screwing it up.

What happens if they reinvent the iPhone and it bombs? They just screwed up a multi-BILLION dollar quarterly profit because they wanted to "innovate." It's actually a very difficult position to be in and I think Cook doesn't have the foresight and moxie that Jobs had to navigate it.


RE: It was a bit disappointing, yes.
By Solandri on 9/11/2013 8:08:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Second, they had a chance to introduce a larger screen model of iPhone 5S; they could have produced a 4.0" version alongside a 4.7" model that shared the same design language.

They couldn't because for some inexplicable reason they've tied their products to a specific DPI. The 4" screen on the iPhone 5 is actually the same as the 3.5" screen on the 4S, it's just slightly longer. Same thing with the pre-retina iPhones. 163 dpi. The retina display exactly doubled that to 326 dpi so as not to mess up legacy apps - because they're all written for a fixed dpi. Same thing with the iPad. It went from 132 dpi to 264 dpi, exactly doubling so apps whose graphics were hard-coded for the 1024x768 screen wouldn't have to be rewritten.

I've commented before how this was a huge mistake by Apple. They pretty invented proportional displays, working with Adobe to create scalable screen fonts (Postscript). Every Mac can query the monitor connected to learn its screen size and resolution, and (for the screens that report it correctly) scales the UI so elements look the same linear size regardless of your resolution and screen size. They were all about making the OS scale the display so that a 12 point font on your screen was the same size as a 12 point font on printed paper, regardless of whether you were using a big screen or a small screen, a high resolution or a low resolution.

But then they did a complete 180 in iOS and made the UI a fixed size. If they made a 4.7" iPhone, everything would either be a lot bigger (in inches) and you couldn't actually see more than on the 4" iPhone, or the icons would remain the same size (in inches) and the rest of the UI would break because iOS isn't designed to scale in anything other than integer amounts.

It's actually Android which acts more like the Macs do when it comes to different screen sizes. Android has a setting for dpi (which you can hack if you have bad eyesight and want the UI to appear bigger). It'll scale the UI to make it bigger or smaller, to keep visual elements the same size independent of screen size and resolution.


By corduroygt on 9/11/2013 10:38:04 PM , Rating: 2
The iPad mini DPI is not an integer multiple of the ipad or the retina ipad, yet it works just fine, slightly smaller icons (from 132 to 163 dpi). The resolution, not the DPI, needs to be doubled, that's all. So I don't see an issue with a 5" 2272x1280 iPhone.


RE: It was a bit disappointing, yes.
By chripuck on 9/12/2013 10:14:34 AM , Rating: 2
But that's why more developers flock to Apple. Developing is just easier when there are only a fixed few number of device specifications to program for. A new Android phone sold today could have anywhere from 480p to whatever the high end tablet's have now, and few of them are even multiples of a base to provide easy scaling of graphical elements.

They're doing this for a reason...


By ven1ger on 9/12/2013 7:42:34 PM , Rating: 2
If you think developers are more interested in developing apps for Apple because of the dpi issues then you should really talk to some developers. Worrying about resolution changes is trivial, things developers are looking at is who is willing to pay for their time to develop for whatever platform. Many developers like Apple's ecosystem because they are able to make more money, since Apple users tend to be more willing to spend $$ for apps. And guess what? There are many developers that like Android, because they prefer a more open system, they may not make a lot of money but for many developers this is something they work on in their spare time and are not looking for $$ but more recognition of the work they put out.


By Dribble on 9/12/2013 4:24:46 AM , Rating: 2
Really they hardly released anything. The 5S is ok, but like most 'S' releases it adds little. The 5C is a failure. You've always been able to buy the last gen phone a little cheaper and 5C is basically a 5, so no change there, only this time it's a lower quality version of it - it's a step down if anything.

It also completely fails to address the market for a cheaper iphone because it's still stupidly expensive. Look at the nexus phones if you want to see what the competition do - you can get a nexus 4 for $200, and it has a bigger screen and better hardware.


How soon will we see the iphone 6
By jahwarrior on 9/11/2013 12:58:47 PM , Rating: 2
I expect the 5s to be replaced in 6 months, probably in line with a major ios7 update




RE: How soon will we see the iphone 6
By sheh on 9/11/2013 1:41:06 PM , Rating: 3
I expect the 5S to be replaced in 12 months, like any past iPhone version.


RE: How soon will we see the iphone 6
By jahwarrior on 9/11/2013 5:43:40 PM , Rating: 2
I think they will move up the refresh date, they have no choice, the 5s can't carry the torch for a whole year that's forever in smart phone years


By chripuck on 9/12/2013 10:16:55 AM , Rating: 2
What? I agree the 5S was somewhat mediocre, but come on, there's no innovation anywhere else in the mobile sector right now (outside of cameras.) They have the 2nd best mobile camera and compared to Android phones blow everything out of the water (haven't seen a comparison to the new Sony flagship.)

What's the S5 going to have that's so revolutionary over the S4? (Hint: nothing.)


Funny website daily tech is...
By NanoTube1 on 9/12/2013 5:51:00 AM , Rating: 3
I love it how Apple always looses on this website :D




By YearOfTheDingo on 9/11/2013 1:03:22 PM , Rating: 2
Owning a highend phone is about buying social respect in countries like China. From distance no one can tell whether you're talking on a $730 iPhone or a $200 Lumia 520.




But it comes in Gold
By thomp237 on 9/12/2013 1:05:30 PM , Rating: 2
"I want an iPhone 5S!"
"Why?"
"Because its better."
"Why do you think it is better than Android or Window Phone?"
"Because its gold....




"Paying an extra $500 for a computer in this environment -- same piece of hardware -- paying $500 more to get a logo on it? I think that's a more challenging proposition for the average person than it used to be." -- Steve Ballmer













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