quote: I'm going to have to disagree.
quote: I will agree with your sentiment that Apple isn't taking any major design risks, excepting Siri. Siri is a huge risk, especially if it fails to pan out.
quote: iOS still has an update advantage wrt to how long it is updated and how quickly it gets updated to the newest versions, even if a 30 month old phone might not actually benefit from the update. Android struggles to stay updated for 12 months, and the longest lived Android device is 18 months for the Nexus lineup of phones.
quote: Even my friends with iPhones are jealous of my Windows Phone and say they might switch when their contract is up.
quote: You were doing fine until that last bit, which clearly shows you're trolling.
quote: What exactly are they jealous of? Weak hardware and mediocre camera quality? Crappy incompatible browser?
quote: Lack of an upgrade path to WP8?
quote: Lack of apps? Or the fact that you will get new apps as often as WebOS does once WP8 is out?
quote: My browser does just fine. Other than not supporting flash it's at least as good as Safari. A few sites (as with Safari) don't support it, but my initial criticism proved premature. I actually have found a lot of sites I couldn't access in Android due to multiple secured redirects now work perfectly in mobile IE.
quote: As for the camera, I agree in well-lit photos it gets beat by the iPhone's camera. But in low-light conditions, which are a large portion of my photos, I get very good pictures... at least as good as the iPhone I would argue.
quote: It's called a new phone. I'm on a one year upgrade cycle. I'm upgrading next April. Windows Phone 7.8 will be fine in the meantime.
quote: Rubbish. I have more apps than I have time to use
quote: Your browser is automatically crappy because it outputs at a pathetic 800x480 resolution. Can it render this site properly yet like Safari and the Android browser?
quote: You would then be objectively proven wrong by tests and the iPhone 4S (not 4) camera destroys the Lumia camera in every way conceivable and possible, and I'm sure the Galaxy's does too.
quote: Can you do online banking yet?Why don't you send us a screenshot of all your apps? Oh, forgot you can't do that...
quote: Again, I would trade a slightly worse camera for a much better interface.
quote: Screenshot: http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windowsphone75...
quote: Why do I need an app to do online banking? I can just use my bank's website, which is fully compatible with my Windows Phone (oh I'm sorry, maybe yours isn't with your iPhone?).
quote: You were doing fine until that last bit, which clearly shows you're trolling.
quote: I'd hardly say that Apple is taking any major design risks (hardware or software) today like it did when the iPhone was first released in 2007.
quote: I know people don't like considering Apple somehow being ahead of the curve, but they were. At the release of the 4S Apple had one of the longest lived, highest performance, featureful phones.
quote: Yet, in reality I was and continue to try to be an unbiased observer.
quote: I'm not sure whether they're all secretly a proxy-controlled single user or if it simply is a testament to how much Apple brainwashes people.
quote: Apple's most loyal users will eat up whatever it offers them, be it crap (literally) or cutting-edge.
quote: Whether or not the majority of Android devices have been bumped to Jelly Bean is immaterial. The more important overarching point is that Apple is several releases behind in basic user interface and functionality.
quote: True, but Apple won't refresh its UI until summer 2013 at the earliest.By then 60 percent of Androids will be on JB, aside from budget models. And another 30 percent will likely be on something more advanced.
quote: As Apple struggles to keep pace with Android and others in years to come that legacy will eventually fade, and Apple will be in the same spot it was in in the 1990s, before Microsoft bailed it out.
quote: Yes they make profits due to shameless exploitation of Third World labor.
quote: Now, I’m not entirely sure how Samsung does this, but South Korea actually has a rather high income per capita — $24,000 — and the average monthly salary for a factory worker is $2000 per month. The average monthly wage for a Chinese Foxconn worker is only $400 . As far as I can tell, this simply means that Apple pays significantly less to produce its iPhones. A report from February confirms this disparity: If you average it all out, Chinese workers get $8 per iPad, while Korean workers get $34 per iPad.
quote: Siri is a huge risk
quote: iOS still has an update advantage wrt to how long it is updated and how quickly it gets updated to the newest versions
quote: Michael the 4S barely, and I emphasize barely, beat out the Galaxy SII. How is it only 4 months behind? Cherry picking benchmarks much? Also benchmarks are one thing, but what about features? Apple hasn't added a meaningful feature of the iPhone platform since 2008! And finally in 2012 we'll see an iPhone with a, barely, larger screen.
quote: How do you figure that? You should know by now that when Apple tells it's legion of dumb dumbs they have the next big thing, they BELIEVE it's the next big thing no matter what. Siri was never a risk. Marketing to intelligent people would be a risk!
quote: When that's your beloved device's selling points, you're clearly grasping at small scraps of hope. But to a loyal Apple user even the smallest scraps are "sex in your hand" as one person described the iPhone as yesterday.
quote: He hates everything
quote: My wife thinks I'm an idiot
quote: Android is going to win, hands down, going forward because it will fill every available niche, especially the ones Apple refuses to tread. I'm not, and have never, disputed that. Apple is thus far limiting itself to the premium market, and in that market there's only a handful of phones that ever compete, and it's always from the same companies: HTC and Samsung. The One and S3 look like incredible phones, but they are still hamstrung by the same problems that Android has always faced: slow OS updates, battery life, and lower GPU performance, even against the now 9 month old 4S:http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-revie...The Galaxy S3 is the only one that beats the 4S's GPU, and barely, and the S3 has more pixels than the 4S, against a 9 month old A5.
quote: So if Apple does refresh the UI to become competitive with JB (offline voice, better voice assistant, etc), it won't be a year coming, it will only take a couple months.
quote: I think the real issue is that Apple is wiping the floor with most of the OEMs
quote: Most new Android high end models are doing better than iPhone. Not only that, but they are doing it with larger screens and higher res. You are way off here.
quote: Micheal = Testerguy = Tony
quote: At least Pirks has shown a surprising amount of independence of late, criticizing Apple at times.
quote: Just when I thought your amateur blog couldn't get any more ridiculous or just plain silly, you come out with drivel like this, to try and put down the few logical people who don't get taken in by your ridiculous biased nonsense day after day.
quote: but make no mistake in the technical world nobody respects any of your opinions because you're so ridiculously tainted.
quote: Um, the HTC One X definitely beats the 4S, but note it's 3 months old.
quote: Wtf are you talking about? The CPU on the S2 is WAY faster than the 4S.
quote: 1. Storage and RAM (TWICE the RAM as the 4S)
quote: 2. CPU performance
quote: 3. Screen Size
quote: 4. LTE Connectivity
quote: How the fuck does this not stack up well against the iPhone 4S again, you stupid Appletard troll?
quote: I'm not claiming that Siri is a big thing; Siri is a risk because there's a good chance it will fail (given how dependent it is on the network and given how flakey it is). You talk about Apple barely adding a meaningful feature without considering what that means. Siri is meaningful; it's a new UI like multitouch in 2007. It's also very flakey (and by many observations, still in beta).
quote: while their choice of a slightly smaller 3.5" screen gives them a significant battery life advantage.
quote: Apple had one of the best phones on the market
quote: If it is to win in sales it must be not only "one of the best", it must be "THE best".
quote: Designing great products is the main goal
quote: But that's the point really -- Apple's phone had been relatively solid in past years hardware-wise if you overlook the lawsuit trolling and the stall in iOS UI development.
quote: But Apple has only one phone and it has a tiny screen.
quote: If it is to win in sales it must be not only "one of the best", it must be "THE best". That is where it is struggling, even before UI is considered.
quote: When you consider the complete stall on the UI front, the iPhone is no longer "one of the best" in terms of all-around experience. In hardware, yes. In experience, no.
quote: He added that they are no longer innovating.
quote: Not innovators?
quote: They only invented the first commercially successful Personal Computer, the first commercially successful portable mp3 player, the first commercially successful consumer smart phone, and the first commercially successful tablet.Notice the qualifier on all of those: I'll grant they didn't invent the technology, but they did do exactly what the article claims and package it with a usable, attractive design that led directly to commercial success over struggling competitors.
quote: Contrary to the image it has cultivated in the popular press, Apple has admitted in internal documents that its strength is not in developing new technologies first, but in successfully commercializing them.
quote: They aren't trying to ' re-patent ' the technology they are commercializing (something which is legally not possible, by the way)
quote: So even you seemingly acknowledge that Apple's contributions have been less in developing new technology, and more in producing it affordably and marketing it.
quote: Yet it's trying to repatent existing technology and sue others to stifle competition
quote: They're just arguing that since the iPad was introduced and Steve Jobs departed the company little progress has been made.
quote: As a lover of all things high resolution, however, I would argue that last month's introduction of a 2880 x 1800 screen into a 15" laptop is an indication that the trend of marketing and producing affordably what is essentially existing technology will continue.
quote: The first commercially successful Personal Computer
quote: the first commercially successful portable mp3 player
quote: the first commercially successful consumer smart phone
quote: the first commercially successful tablet
quote: I guess completely changing the world only once a decade on average doesn't qualify you as an innovator anymore?
quote: Look at smart phones before the LG Prada and look at them after. Innovator? Maybe they weren't the first all touch phone, but they changed the game after they released it.
quote: Android at this point is a far better platform in almost every way.
quote: What a flimsy list. I cant imagine what goes through your head to make you think that list is anything compared to what Android does better... Everything you listed is WAY low on the scale of what matters other than the ones that are outright wrong
quote: Worse legacy device support (meh, 2 year old Androids arent all that great. Time to upgrade)
quote: Less secure (for who exactly? Most people use EAS for email and that is about all that matters)
quote: Fewer developers (meh, 500,000 apps vs. what 600,000 or so)?
quote: Massive issues with fragmentation (massive huh? What does that even effect? Therea re models for everyone's needs. This is the strength of the platform not the weekness you blithering dolt.
quote: Worse battery life management (really, because by the reviews I have seen at Anandtech, there are plenmty models that do WAY better than iPhone. This is an absolute falsehood.
quote: Not as closely tied to hardware as iO. (This affects what? Androids have the fastest CPU's and GPU's, and the most memory...
quote: but this guy really has issues.
quote: I hate to break this to you, but you dont go out and buy IOS or Android
quote: You buy a phone, and that phone is a feature set based on hw and sw
quote: First off, what I said right above my list above is "Todays Android phones have..." Then you proceeded to misunderstand what "Android Phones" meant
quote: Actually Apple products lead the battery life ratings over almost every Android phone
quote: Say what now? In some tests, but in others its not even close. I guess you see what you want to see. Also NOTE: the Android phones are doing it with MUCH larger screens. Point goes to Android. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6022/samsung-galaxy-...
quote: The fact that you fail to see the benefit, doesnt mean there is no benefit. If I am travelling and will be away from electricity its super easy to have a second spare battery charged. Point to Android
quote: micro sd slots - a HUGE advantage. An adaptor? ick. Mine is tucked nicely inside permanently. Point Android.
quote: Being compatible with every charger made for every phone on Planet Earth isnt an advantage?
quote: OK, so having faster standards isnt relevent until Apple has it. THEN its relevant? Nice cop-out. Point to Android
quote: Actually its easily provable. Check out Youtube for Jelly Bean demoes. There are 100's of them. They are great because it shows it in real time. There are OS demo's and Siri vs. Google voice search. Just becasue you arent aware of things doesnt mean they dont exist. - Point to Android.
quote: This is more to the ability for manufactueres to do what they want with it, in other words, not just one model. - call it a tie, because you have a point about the app store.
quote: You could also say that Margaret Thatcher is better looking than Angelina Jolie, because its subjective... But everyone agrees Android is where its at based on looks and eye candy. IOS is still every bit as boring looking as its initial release in 2007. This has been gone over again and again, but whatever. Point to Android.
quote: Android phones 2 years ago werent up to par. They just werent... Android 2.x and the phones that they came with were not ready for prime time, I agree. Todays whones with 4.0 and 4.1 are not only ready, they are far better. Android and the manufacturers that use it have really stepped up their game and not only caught up with Apple, but surpassed it. You still have that 2 year old impression of Android, but this is 2012, you need to look at it today, as today is where we live. Point to IOS though, with an asterisk. * Android 2.x to 4.1 is a huge improvement. IOS 4 to IOS 6 is not so much of a jump.
quote: There is a lot of fluff here about security and apps. I agree, the iOS app environment is better, not by a huge margin, and not as important as you make it out. Both platforms do the same things and apps on both do the same things. If you can tell me some funtionality that exists on IOS and not Android, otherwise that is that..
quote: Android phones have bigger screens and higher res, which takes more power but of course that is ignored? LOL. Point to Android.
quote: You: 1. Only post in articles about Apple. You created your ID here for that purpose and only that purpose. 2. Totally exaggerate Apples benefits 3. Totally exaggerate Androids weakness. 4. Totally ignore Androids benefits 5. Totally ignore Apples weakness. Me: I have been coming here for 12 years. Literally, Anandtech has been my homepage the whole time. I post on any and all subjects. I do not ignore Apples benefits and I do not exaggerate their weaknesses.
quote: I would argue
quote: Retina Display is a big deal.
quote: Year after year? iPad came out like 2years ago. iPhone came out like 3-4years ago. You make it sound like iPhone came out in 2000.
quote: Except that it invented by LG and sold to Apple; fabricated by Samsung and LG. The same goes for Gorilla Glass (Corning), iPod (PortalPlayer), iTunes (Pixo) and Siri (Siri); Apple either contracted the owners to make it for them or purchased the owners outright. Nothing innovative to see here...
quote: Every big quantum leap take a while for it to boil. Grinding out features that the market isn't ready for is a disaster in the making. Technology innovator for the sake of technology is what geeks do. Incrementalism is what the market needs right now. Once the technology is well understood and widespread, then Apple can innovate again. High Speed internet was avail for a decade now. How long did it take for the masses to acquire that technology? So once it's avail, you should ramp it up to 100mbps? You need a USE CASE.