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Blame it on iPhone
Apple says that extra attention needed for iPhone is the cause for OS X 10.5 delay

While Microsoft may have caught a lot of flak for the lengthy delay of Windows Vista, Apple will now have a smaller delay of its own when it comes to OS X 10.5 (Leopard). According to a press release yesterday from Apple, Leopard will not be launched this June at the Worldwide Developers Conference, but will instead launch in October.

"We now plan to show our developers a near final version of Leopard at the conference, give them a beta copy to take home so they can do their final testing, and ship Leopard in October. We think it will be well worth the wait. Life often presents tradeoffs, and in this case we're sure we've made the right ones," said the company in the release.

This release would normally just be seen by consumers as disappointment since the operating system won't be delivered as expected -- but there's more to the story.

In late March, DigiTimes actually reported that Leopard would be delayed until October. Michael Gartenberg, an analyst for Jupiter Research, decided to contact Apple directly and get the low-down on the situation. "Just spoke with Apple who confirmed the reports are wrong and Leopard is still scheduled to ship in this spring as they previously announced,” said Gartenberg in his blog on March 23. “The rumor mill is wrong again.”

Likewise, Apple Insider also dug into DigiTimes following Gartenberg's report. "Carve out another notch in the loss column for Taiwanese-based DigiTimes, which on Friday reported that Apple's next-generation Leopard operating system would be delayed till October," wrote Apple Insider.

Apple indicates that the reason for the delay is due to the resources needed to launch the iPhone in late June. "We can't wait until customers get their hands (and fingers) on it and experience what a revolutionary and magical product it is. However, iPhone contains the most sophisticated software ever shipped on a mobile device, and finishing it on time has not come without a price," Apple continued. "We had to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from our Mac OS X team."

Leopard will be a true 64-bit operating system for Apple and will have 32-bit backwards compatibility. Apple is also touting a new feature called Time Machine which is similar to Vista's System Restore along with an integrated version of Boot Camp.

Apple’s iPhone was announced this year at MacWorld 2007 and ended up being the talk of the town at the Consumer Electronics Show. The iPhone features a 3.5" 320x480 display, 4GB or 8GB of memory, GSM, WiFi, 2.0MP digital camera and runs OS X. The iPhone is priced at $499 for the 4GB model and $599 for the 8GB with a 2-year contract.

It's rumored that the iPhone will be powered by a Marvell PXA320 processor which is currently available in speeds of up to 806MHz (although samples have been seen running at 1.2GHz).



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Sticker Shock
By BLOfelt22 on 4/13/2007 11:35:19 AM , Rating: 5
Nice phone/gadget/starbucks conversation piece. I do have to wonder about how Apple intends to move these things at USD500 and USD600 while Sony is struggling to move PS3's at the same price point.

Maybe the carrier will help subsidize the price but that will probably mean a +3yr contract. Personally, I never keep any phone that long. At least the PS3 should have a longer shelf life and in my opinion more value as an entertainment unit.




RE: Sticker Shock
By das mod on 4/13/2007 11:54:28 AM , Rating: 4
actually, if you want to get technical...
when the RAZR was first released, it was being
shoved up costumers butts at a measly $700 figure
so $500-$600 is not too bad, but still, i wouldnt purchase it


RE: Sticker Shock
By tuteja1986 on 4/14/2007 12:09:33 AM , Rating: 2
Well current state of iphone is not looking good as they are having battery problem. The iphone can stay active for only few hrs on a full charge and that is even greatly reduced if you are listening to MP3 or watching a Video.


RE: Sticker Shock
By Langosta39 on 4/13/2007 11:57:51 AM , Rating: 1
Go have a look at the Cingular website and check out the price of phones. There are a dozen or more that are over $400 including the KRZR, but the 2-year contract deal knocks $150-300 off depending on the phone. I don't think they will have any trouble selling this thing.


RE: Sticker Shock
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 4/13/2007 12:02:11 PM , Rating: 5
The $499 and $599 price is with a 2-year contract.


RE: Sticker Shock
By AlexWade on 4/13/2007 4:22:42 PM , Rating: 3
My Cingular contract comes up for renewal Saturday the 14th. I could wait and get an iPhone, but instead I'm going to spend my money on a small Ericsson W810i and a 4GB Memory Stick. That will provide plenty of my iTunes tunes at a fraction of the price.

I wouldn't even spend $500 for a PS3, much less a phone that I may lose, damage, or drop.


RE: Sticker Shock
By rbuszka on 4/13/2007 1:24:02 PM , Rating: 2
This simply depends on whether a large number of people feel that the iPhone is worth that amount of money for the features, design, performance, and user experience it offers. The rest of us, unfortunately, will run headlong into that old saying, "you gotta pay to play."


RE: Sticker Shock
By Allen Iverson on 4/14/2007 12:00:18 AM , Rating: 2
its all about marketing my friend.
and boy is apple good at marketing.


RE: Sticker Shock
By stevenplatt on 4/14/2007 1:47:34 PM , Rating: 2
I totaly agree. The iPhone is priced way to high. I know that there will be some people that argue that other phones have launched at this price, but whhen you put the price into perspective, there are so many other things that you can get with $600. A PS3 for example, or a budget laptop. Unlike other phones such as the razr which quickly dropped in price, Apple has a track record or selling thier outdated product and demanding the same retail price. If Apple does not drop prices, Cincular will not be able to offer many incentives or cheaper prices even years from now. Dont get me wrong, the iPhone seems to be a great product, but Apple is taking a huge gamble if they think these things are goind to sell like hotcakes at these prices.


distorted comparison?
By fic2 on 4/13/2007 12:23:32 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
While Microsoft may have caught a lot of flak for the lengthy delay of Windows Vista, Apple will now have a delay of its own


Wasn't Vista delayed something like a total of 2 years and had the best part (new file system) stripped? That certainly compares to this 3 months delay.

BTW, I don't use Vista or own any Apple stuff.




By Master Kenobi (blog) on 4/13/2007 2:47:09 PM , Rating: 3
I've no complaints about Vista. Works great at both home and work. 64-bit at home, 32-bit at work. Flawless operations....


RE: distorted comparison?
By Zelvek on 4/13/2007 2:58:26 PM , Rating: 1
well it does depend on how you look at it as vista wasn't so much delayed as completely thrown out the window and redone from scratch.


RE: distorted comparison?
By RandomFool on 4/13/2007 3:09:28 PM , Rating: 4
Vista was also an entirely new OS unlike Leopard which is just an improvement to the current OS.


RE: distorted comparison?
By InsaneScientist on 4/13/2007 4:12:58 PM , Rating: 2
Well... mostly.
Much of the core was taken from Server 2003 (after they threw out the original XP based version, as mentioned by the guy above), though it was massively upgraded, but to say that it is entirely new isn't copmletely accurate.

It probably is a much more major revision than Leopard is, though. By the same token, Microsoft is a much bigger target than Apple is, and therefore its OS gets attacked far more, so they needed a bigger revision than Apple does.


RE: distorted comparison?
By ChronoReverse on 4/14/2007 5:19:19 PM , Rating: 3
The best part huh?

So what were you planning to do with the said new file system that is so dearly missed?


Deja Vu
By wrekd on 4/13/2007 11:28:02 AM , Rating: 2
I thought I heard "rumors" that Leopard was delayed until October because of Vista and Bootcamp issues.

Let the doublespeak begin!

Quick, whats my name again?




RE: Deja Vu
By Midas360 on 4/13/2007 11:46:00 AM , Rating: 3
Well, as you can see, the "rumors" were completely fabricated and untrue.

I guess Sir Steve Jobs forgot to turn on the Reality Distortion Field during Leopard and iPhone development.

What an *.

R.I.P. Kurt Vonnegut


RE: Deja Vu
By retrospooty on 4/13/2007 11:50:13 AM , Rating: 3
I guess you dont believe the FOMA? ;)


RE: Deja Vu
By wrekd on 4/14/2007 6:13:25 PM , Rating: 2
Wikipedia's OS X 10.5 description has been updated to reflect the delay like its History 101!

Yes, I went to the popular yet controversial Wiki to research OS X. Only to prove the Reality Distortion Field is at full strength.


RE: Deja Vu
By Enoch2001 on 4/15/2007 11:53:23 AM , Rating: 3
Kurt Vonnegut would own an iPhone. ;-)


RE: Deja Vu
By INeedCache on 4/17/2007 7:37:31 PM , Rating: 2
Sure, and most living self-indulgent clowns will, also.


Apple iPhone
By pignati on 4/13/2007 2:59:36 PM , Rating: 3
$500 dollar phone? No thanks.
$600 dollar phone? No thanks.

Those prices - which won't be dropping and are WITH a service contract - are a joke.

I won't be surprised if it takes off, but how long does one keep a cell phone anyway? I can't justify buying one, let alone switching contracts.

Keep it, Apple. I'll keep my phone which does everything "revolutionary" anyway. My T-Mobile MDA (Which carried a $200 price tag with a 2 year agreement) offers the same the iPhone does.

I have 2GB of MP3s thanks to my 2GB microSD card.
I have full internet access thanks to Opera.
I have full POP3 email access thanks to qMail.
I have full mapping ability thanks to Google Maps.

No thanks.




RE: Apple iPhone
By KeithP on 4/13/2007 5:29:30 PM , Rating: 3
You forgot one important feature of the iPhone, no user replaceable battery. ;)


RE: Apple iPhone
By smilingcrow on 4/13/2007 6:30:29 PM , Rating: 3
Pulling programmers from your main OS development to work on an OS for a phone! Sounds like their priorities are much more in the CES field than computers these days.
It does look like a beautiful piece of kit and it’ll be interesting to see how many people will be prepared to pay a premium price for it.


RE: Apple iPhone
By randomlinh on 4/14/2007 7:01:16 AM , Rating: 2
well, the iPhone is a HUGE gamble for Apple. Considering it runs a variant of OS X, and presumably this variant will be powering other things in the future, then pulling the programmers would be pretty much expected.

It's only one product, so I wouldn't quite say Apple has shifted priorities... just for this because it NEEDS to launch on time... they gave it a HUGE preview far too early (same goes for the lame Apple TV).

Anyway, we won't know until the future products and trends how Apple has changed any priorities.

And yes, this thing is freakin expensive. But you all must remember, Apple sells on looks, and the phone does look sexy w/ the multi-touch screen. But I won't even think about actually owning one until a) A phone of it's caliber is <$200 w/ a contract and b) data service is dirt cheap


RE: Apple iPhone
By tekzor on 4/14/2007 7:48:13 PM , Rating: 2
Right...
Shfiting all of your development people from OSX to Iphone?

I don't believe for a second thats the case. Who do apple think they are? Sony?


Priceless
By defter on 4/13/2007 12:21:50 PM , Rating: 4
First, Digitimes suggested that Leopard is delayed until October. Then, Apple fanboys started smear campaign against Digitimes: how could they even suggest that a product developed by a glorious Apple is going to be delayed???

Now, it's clear that Digitimes was 100% correct in their story. I wonder if Apple Insider will issue an apology to Digitimes for their earlier comments?




RE: Priceless
By kelmon on 4/13/2007 12:48:21 PM , Rating: 2
Er, right. I think the "campaign" was mostly due to DigiTimes inherent ability to be completely wrong when it comes to Apple rumours (much like everyone else to be fair) and the reason given was totally preposterous. In this respect I don't believe that DigiTimes story that Apple is delaying Leopard for Vista-support (Bootcamp already does Vista support) and I'll eat my hat if this is the reason. At this stage, therefore, I don't think you can say that DigiTimes was "100% correct" but they were right about the delay, something that I am pretty grateful for.


RE: Priceless
By AMDJunkie on 4/14/2007 7:04:26 PM , Rating: 2
How either analysts or Apple's own masochistic volunteer PR commonly known as "Apple journalists" could continue to believe the Most Gigantic Lying Mouth of All Time (or is that Litigious?) when it comes to rumors of future products is the real shocker here.


RE: Priceless
By Kizor on 4/13/2007 2:35:51 PM , Rating: 4
According to Digitimes, they said that Leopard would be delayed because of Vista support problems with Boot Camp.
Which is incorrect, as they had that update which enables mac users to run Vista.

They got October right, but not why. (Ah, 50%. Assuming it's out of two. Not bad =) )


It's not expensive. Really.
By truth on 4/13/2007 7:35:56 PM , Rating: 2
All prices Froogle's lowest price from any actual store.

8Gb iPod nano = $245.00
2 megapixel digital camera = $28.95
802.11b/g adapter = $15.30
Bluetooth 2.0 adapter = $16.95
OS X 10.4 = $119.00
Quad-band GSM phone (unlocked) = 79.00
--------------------------------
Total cumulative cost = $504.20

Multi-touch 3.5 inch screen - 320 by 480 at 160 ppi, 135 grams,115 x 61 x 11.6mm.

Priceless.




RE: It's not expensive. Really.
By bubbacub616 on 4/13/2007 8:50:20 PM , Rating: 3
gotta love apple's track record for selling over priced shiny stuff!


RE: It's not expensive. Really.
By smilingcrow on 4/14/2007 7:41:13 AM , Rating: 2
"8Gb iPod nano = $245.00
2 megapixel digital camera = $28.95
802.11b/g adapter = $15.30
Bluetooth 2.0 adapter = $16.95
OS X 10.4 = $119.00
Quad-band GSM phone (unlocked) = 79.00
--------------------------------
Total cumulative cost = $504.20"

Do the quoted costs for the phone include any airtime?
I can buy a Sony Ericsson W850i with a 4GB card and 800 minutes per month for about £20 a month in the UK.
That's what I'd compare it to.


RE: It's not expensive. Really.
By truth on 4/14/2007 4:30:25 PM , Rating: 1
8Gb iPod nano = $245.00
2 megapixel digital camera = $28.95
802.11b/g adapter = $15.30
Bluetooth 2.0 adapter = $16.95
OS X 10.4 = $119.00
Quad-band GSM phone (unlocked) = 79.00
--------------------------------
Total cumulative cost = $504.20

No, I didn't include service, just a bagain basement quad-band unlocked phone. To show what the tech is lowball worth.

Really, I'm just pointing out that the components that you are getting with the iPhone are pricey. But the total package of an iPhone is more than just all those pieces in different pockets, or even made into one device. It's all that and then some!

No iPod or phone you can get has the multi-touch face. That alone is worth it. Getting all these parts in an Apple-designed enclosure that's small, light and sexy as hell is worth it. And running Apple's OS (and therefore receiving the Apple UI it's way worth it.

Comparing this to a 20 pound cell phone is fine, If that's what you want to do. The cell phone wins. On price.

Have fun playing with that cell. I'm sure the girls will be all over you to get a look at it. This thing is dead sexy and a bargain for the price!


RE: It's not expensive. Really.
By smilingcrow on 4/14/2007 10:24:45 PM , Rating: 2
“No, I didn't include service, just a bagain basement quad-band unlocked phone. To show what the tech is lowball worth.
Really, I'm just pointing out that the components that you are getting with the iPhone are pricey. But the total package of an iPhone is more than just all those pieces in different pockets, or even made into one device. It's all that and then some!”

When I buy a phone I don’t wonder what the individual components cost especially the O/S as I can’t build my own phone; therefore it’s an irrelevance. That’s why I compared it with a Sony Ericsson walkman phone which is a real world comparison.

“No iPod or phone you can get has the multi-touch face. That alone is worth it. Getting all these parts in an Apple-designed enclosure that's small, light and sexy as hell is worth it. And running Apple's OS (and therefore receiving the Apple UI it's way worth it.
Comparing this to a 20 pound cell phone is fine, If that's what you want to do. The cell phone wins. On price.”

The W850i weighs 116g, so a bit less than 20 lb and also less than an iPhone! If that’s too much for you go with the W880i at 71g. I think the iPhone looks gorgeous and no doubt will have some great functionality to, but I don’t want to fcuk it as you seem to want to!

“Have fun playing with that cell. I'm sure the girls will be all over you to get a look at it. This thing is dead sexy and a bargain for the price!”

Yeah, like I’m really interested in the sort of girls that are seduced by a phone. How old are you, 12? I can’t get over how some people seem to get a hard-on for a telecommunication device. Are you a trekky by any chance?


Battery Life
By ComatoseDelirium on 4/13/2007 3:08:40 PM , Rating: 3
I wonder whats gonna stayed charged longer, my thinkpad notebook from 94' or this apple Iphone, keep your conversations under 40 minutes ;)




RE: Battery Life
By Kizor on 4/14/2007 4:47:14 AM , Rating: 2
Let's put it this way. You have no idea how long the battery will last. Neither do I. The thing isn't out and people are already making judgments about it. Give the phone a break =)


RE: Battery Life
By smilingcrow on 4/14/2007 7:28:01 AM , Rating: 4
"Give the phone a break =)"

It'll probably manage that by itself. ;)


Umm... Blackberry anyone?
By psypher on 4/16/2007 11:49:47 AM , Rating: 4
So I have been using a Blackberry Pearl for about 4 months now. I got this thing for $199 and it does essentially everything I need. It also allows me to install any software I want if I can think of something it doesn't already do. At this point, I couldn't imagine shelling out another $300-$400 for an iPhone over the cost of a Pearl. I also know for a fact that my company would never consider paying for one for me (ok, so i never really spent my own $199 for my Pearl) because it just isn't business ready... The iPhone looks cool, and this phone is really for the Paris Hilton's of the world, just looking for the new stylish peripheral...




RE: Umm... Blackberry anyone?
By kalak on 4/16/2007 4:22:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The iPhone looks cool, and this phone is really for the Paris Hilton's of the world, just looking for the new stylish peripheral...


YOU SAID IT ALL !


It will probably fail
By Anh Huynh on 4/15/2007 11:50:38 AM , Rating: 2
The iPhone, in my humble opinion, will not have that big of a user base as the iPod has. At $5-600, it costs more than any Windows Mobile-based phone with a touch screen and even physical QWERTY keyboard.

The iPhone is a closed platform, which means no third-party application support. So much for the business and IT folks that already have WM5 phones with applications they can't live without. There's also the lack of Exchange E-mail support, which is quite important to the corporate folks.

So who does Apple have to market the device to? The general consumer, students? Most people I know would barely pay more than $50 for a phone, not to mention $5-600. That includes adults, students and such. I've yet to talk to anyone that wants an iPhone unless they're hardcore iPod fanboys, and lo'behold they're also poor college students. Everyone else I've spoken to in the working world admits the iPhone is cool but stupid at the same time.

To top it off, unless Apple is cutting some type of really good deal with Cingular, the monthly bill will not be cheap. I'm paying roughly $85 a month for my Cingular 8525 with the basic 450 anytime/5000 weekends/Unlimited mobile to mobile with rollover and unlimited 3G data plan. To convince the consumer they need all of that in the palm of their hand will be tough, especially with a $5-600 upfront cost and $85 monthly costs.

Unlike the iPod, which is a device for everyone, the iPhone has such a small niche market its even smaller than the niche market Apple used to have, pre-OSX.




RE: It will probably fail
By Kizor on 4/16/2007 9:01:22 AM , Rating: 2
"The iPhone is a closed platform, which means no third-party application support. So much for the business and IT folks that already have WM5 phones with applications they can't live without. There's also the lack of Exchange E-mail support, which is quite important to the corporate folks."

You don't know that it's a closed platform =)

Oh, and remember the first iPod? People said it would fail, but did it? Apple would just keep on improving on it ect. and then you will get lower cost iPhones (In theory)

"Unlike the iPod, which is a device for everyone, the iPhone has such a small niche market its even smaller than the niche market Apple used to have, pre-OSX."

What iPhone market? It's like saying my imaginary phone that I'm making has a market share. The iPhone isn't out! It has NO market share.


october? wtf
By otispunkmeyer on 4/16/2007 3:50:30 AM , Rating: 2
well at least this makes my decision a little easier.

get a MBP now, or just f*** it and get a vista machine, because im just tired of waiting now. ill be back at uni in october and i want a machine before then.




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