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Apple looks to maximize its profits on flash-based iPods

With Apple commanding nearly 76% of the digital music player market and its multitude of competitors fighting for the remaining share, the company finds itself in a rather interesting position. Apple could have made even deeper price cuts across the board to increase its marketshare even further, but instead decided to maximize the profit margin of its popular iPods, particularly the flash-based models.

Analysts from Gartner point to the cost of materials for several of Apple's new flash-based iPod models to drive home their point. Here's a breakdown on the cost of materials versus the retail price of four new iPod models:

  • iPod Shuffle: $30/$79
  • iPod Nano 8GB: $130/$249
  • iPod Nano 4GB: $90/$199
  • iPod Nano 2GB: $70/$149

There's some wiggle room for Apple to get really aggressive with pricing (after other costs are taken into consideration), but the company hasn't seen any reason to do so. The iPod has successfully fended off every attack from competitors relegating them to also-rans in the market. SanDisk is holding on with 9.7% of the market while Creative is a distant third at 4.3%.

Apple’s latest competition has come in the form of Microsoft's Zune which was announced last Thursday. That player comes with a 30GB hard drive, 3" QVGA screen and WiFi connectivity for Zune-to-Zune media sharing. It appears that the folks at Microsoft don’t know quite what to make of Apple’s decision to drop the price of the hard disk-based 30GB iPod, the Zune’s most direct competitor, to $249. At that price, Microsoft has its work cut out for it as far as pricing goes with the Zune. You can hear the uncertainty in statements made by Microsoft’s General Manager of Marketing Chris Stephensen:

Yeah, it's interesting that they decided to reduce the price of the 30GB. It's come down $50. That's obviously a huge financial hitch. I'm not sure what they think we're doing. It's certainly an interesting thing to do - to reduce the price of a good-selling product like that - that was selling well at $299. We'll take it as it is. It's an interesting move on their part, and it's an interesting opportunity in the market place.

No matter what Microsoft does as far as pricing is concerned with the Zune, Apple is sure to hold the line on iPod pricing for the foreseeable future. We'll likely see a new 6G flagship iPod with features worthy of a next generation device before we see any knee-jerk reactions to what could amount to Apple's stiffest competition yet.



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By abhaxus on 9/18/2006 11:36:38 AM , Rating: 3
I personally think the $250 price point is more of a problem for the ipod(s) than the Zune. If those BoM costs are correct for the nanos then apple is making a substantial profit on them. But when a user is faced with the choice between an 8gb nano and a 30gb 5.5G, why would anyone choose the nano? The 'regular' ipod has gotten thin enough now that it fits just fine in your pocket, and holds almost 4 times the music.

If MS comes out with the zune at 279-299 I think it will be able to compete. Provided the interface is intuitive and the thing doesn't crash all the time, I would certainly spend a little extra cash to pick up a Zune over the ipod 30gb. If they go any higher, they will get dominated by the 80gb ipod.

What I want to see for the Zune is wireless speaker sets in the vein of all those speaker docks for the ipod. Would be nice to set my zune to broadcast and have a lil music in my bathroom for my morning triple S. (s**t shower shave).




By Lonyo on 9/18/2006 11:46:07 AM , Rating: 2
That's where you're not quite right I think.
I believe I read somewhere that flash based players far outsell hard drive based players, so Apple can cut the price of HDD based players without a) hurting profit margins too much (since they sell more/make a lot on flash players), or b) cutting into flash sales much.
Low price players is I think where it's at, like with graphics cards.
Low prices HDD players makes them the choice in the higher end for the average user, helping them fend off Zune, while holding their lower end player market share.


By Xenoterranos on 9/18/2006 12:11:40 PM , Rating: 2
But you really have to wonder why the flash players outsell the HDD based players in droves. Is it because the majority of the iPod buying public understand the intrinsic advantage flash ram has over HDD's in a portable electronic device? Or is it because, up until now, the most expensive flash player was still 50$ cheaper than the cheapest HDD iPod?


By abhaxus on 9/18/2006 12:32:42 PM , Rating: 2
in my experience from selling them, people don't choose the 30gb model because it is $50 more expensive than the 4gb model (at present prices). you tell people that for 20% more they can get 7.5X more music on there and they go "well i dont think i could fill that up."

The only reason we sell anything besides ipods at my store is because we don't carry the shuffle, so we don't have an apple product below $150. people come in and ask for ipods as a type of product rather than a brand name.

all that said, i think the main reason i would buy a zune is because it looks to be as compact as a 5G ipod while being a much more competent video player (aside from the HD space issue).


By JazzMang on 9/18/2006 1:31:33 PM , Rating: 2
Ceterus Parabis (sp?), people buy whats smaller. Flash < HDD, as the physical size of the ipod goes. Obviously the shuffle is exempt in this comparison, as it lacks the positive features of the other ipod family members.


By Bonrock on 9/18/2006 12:10:55 PM , Rating: 2
While you may be willing to spend up to $300 for a Zune, you're probably in the minority. If Microsoft makes the Zune more expensive than the same-sized iPod, very few people will buy it because the Zune doesn't yet have the brand recognition to compete on prestige. Meanwhile, if Microsoft sells the Zune much cheaper than the iPod, they run the risk of being perceived as yet another cheap crappy iPod imitator.

As a result, I'm guessing the Zune will sell at the same price as a comparable iPod, or perhaps very slightly cheaper.


By kkwst2 on 9/18/2006 2:09:14 PM , Rating: 2
Certainly the minority. But the Zune could still be a smash hit and be well in the "minority" I would think that Microsoft would be thrilled with a 10% share of the market after their first attempt.

I guess it depends on what you mean by very few. I think there is a significant number of people who are looking for a player that supports more formats (especially WMA).

The bonehead that walks into the store and asks for an iPod is likely not going to buy one regardless of price. But the more informed consumer (and I'm not talking about just techie's here - a lot of people know the difference between wma and mp3) often looks for something that will play more than mp3 and aac. Not 50% of buyers, probably not even 25%, but maybe 10-15%. That would still be big numbers for Microsoft. Enought to get the brand out there and generate some interest for their next generation player.

Not saying will, but could happen. But I agree that they will set the price close to the 30GB iPod, but not below. The bigger screen and WiFi are worth something to the people that are going to be their likely customers.


By Shadowself on 9/18/2006 2:29:04 PM , Rating: 2
An interesting note is that the current Zune specifications state that it does NOT support protected WMA (or WMV)....

In footnote 4 of its Zune fact sheet (.doc file, 56 KB), Microsoft clearly states that "Zune software can import audio files in unprotected WMA, MP3, AAC; photos in JPEG; and videos in WMV, MPEG-4, H.264"- not protected WMA and WMV.

Thus any music bought through any of the past or current online stores which support protected WMA (or protected WMV like Amazon's) will not play on the coming first generation Zune.


By plewis00 on 9/18/2006 12:28:15 PM , Rating: 2
I, for one, will choose the Nano over the 30Gb 5G iPod. Why? Because of the stability and durability of flash RAM over a hard disk, I have now had 5 hard disk players break on me and they were not mistreated. The most heavily used iPod Mini I had I'd only been running with, and it was secured strapped to my arm and didn't bounce around. I also get the feeling that as hard disk capacities go up it takes less and less shock to damage them, since that's now 2 60Gb 5G iPods I've had break (or start to have problems reading the disk). I would never take the hard disk players running or in the gym, but the Nano or Shuffle is just perfect for that, in size, weight, durability and style.


By JeffDM on 9/18/2006 12:32:40 PM , Rating: 2
No, it's not a problem, because it's not true.

The BOM margins for the regular iPod are about the same as the nano. A user can buy the 8GB nano or the 30GB iPod and the parts cost Apple about the same amount. Most of the other costs that aren't in the BOM are likely similar too.


By abhaxus on 9/18/2006 12:37:43 PM , Rating: 2
i'm willing to grant you that but i would like to see the costs on the 5G vs the nano 8gb.

i really don't think the 8Gb nano will sell very well though. Probably going to only be able to sell them when the retailer is out of stock of 30gb video ipods.


By kkwst2 on 9/18/2006 2:00:49 PM , Rating: 2
You may think that, but unless your definition of "well" is quite high you're likely way off base. There's definitely a niche for a larger flash based player. People like small. Is the HDD iPod small enough? Depends who you ask. A lot of people who use players during exercise would say no. I know several people (mostly female FWIW), who think the HDD iPod is too big for them but like the Nano.


Not to mention the increased reliability of flash-based players when constantly getting jarred during exercise. The HDD are pretty good with buffering, but you can still definitely make them stutter. I've heard of people killing their HDD iPods (presumably) because of running with them.


By abhaxus on 9/18/2006 3:36:00 PM , Rating: 2
I don't argue the point that there is a place for flash based MP3 players. For me there is a place for both... I like my 2gb nano for walking to/from campus. I liked my old 40GB lyra for the ability to put most of my library on it. I am waiting for these new players to pick my replacement for my bigger PMP.

There's a market for both... but I think with the biggest flash player being the same price as the smallest HDD player there will be more people that will choose the HDD player over the flash one.


By blazeoptimus on 9/18/2006 12:51:58 PM , Rating: 2
The BOM for the 30gb has come way down since its inception:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2052

The above link is really a good companion to this news post. It basically agrees with what was said above, that the 30gb ipod vido and 8gb nano cost apple pretty much the same to make.


By GhandiInstinct on 9/18/2006 1:38:32 PM , Rating: 1
Here's my honest view point.

I own a 1GB flash iriver T10, and I have to say, it's MORE THAN ENOUGH, for me to handle music wise. I can jog with it, take it anywhere, not worry about the hard drive crashing, and it holds about a hundred songs of mine.

I honestly barely get through several a day anyhow, and on long road trips the battery lasts very long on just a double A.

I bought it for $200 at the time but now its about $100? Honestly, if you have $300 to spend on holding thousands of songs that are just going to lay there unused most of the time, then have fun.


By Hare on 9/18/2006 3:00:09 PM , Rating: 2
Most people want their whole library on the player so that they don't have to transfer a portion every time they wish to listen to something else. Sure 1gb is a lot of music but nowadays it's not that much.

Another thing is that these are not just mp3 players. They are portable media players. Decent quality video takes space and many also use the devices as external hard drives...


By GhandiInstinct on 9/18/2006 4:29:45 PM , Rating: 1
Point well taken, then I'll say I don't need it because I'm not on the road a lot and I'm always on my computer where higher quality and more of it exists :)


Apple is getting greedy
By tungtung on 9/18/2006 12:07:17 PM , Rating: 2
Well I know Apple is not known for their "consumer friendly" pricing. However their recent prices has seriously make them more in line with the way Microsoft do their business. ie: high price but buggy products. I mean just face it, Apple product quality has been steadily going down. First we had that problem with the iPod batteries being so low quality, then the iPod nano screen cracking, then the macBook overheating, also that overheating and melted magnetic power connector on the macBook. And not to mention the bugs with iTunes 7.

I think they're just getting a bit greedy now. Just face it after this new generation of iPods are released there is NO (Zero, Zilch, Nada) discount at all for students on all iPod products. I guess Apple just thinks student are not their target group anymore, especially after they booted out the eMac (I heard only schools can buy them nowadays). And their student pricing on all their products are just rediculous, I mean the most I see is $250 difference on the top of the line MacBook Pro (which cost like $3000 Canadian).




RE: Apple is getting greedy
By Quiksel on 9/18/2006 12:24:45 PM , Rating: 3
I, for one, haven't been experiencing any of the problems that have been making headlines. I work with a lot of Apple products, and I've not seen a decline in quality in years.

As for the iPod pricing and students, a promo just ended a few days ago that ran for a couple of months that gave away an iPod if you bought a mac. Seems like they DO have a targeted group of students in their business model. They seem to run this promo each and every year, so it's a competitive advantage for them just before school to get people in the door and buying a mac AND iPod. Hell, they were giving away printers too. Their student pricing is decent enough considering their competition, and it certainly makes it more appealing to those of educational institution background to warrant purchasing, since it IS a couple to few hundred bones cheaper. It was nice to get an iMac, iPod nano, and HP printer for $1100 (even tax-free on the particular day I went by). That, to me, is a good marketing decision on Apple's part. Not only did I buy a mac, but I got two other products that I would not have bought otherwise.

Good decision? I am enjoying it, they are too! :)


RE: Apple is getting greedy
By JeffDM on 9/18/2006 12:28:49 PM , Rating: 3
especially after they booted out the eMac (I heard only schools can buy them nowadays)

eMac is obsolete. It's been replaced by the educational iMac and individual students can now get the edu iMac at the edu price too, $100 off the standard price. It's a much better computer now too, IMO.

As it is, the hard drive iPod is now cheaper than the edu price for the previous model. I don't think it really makes sense to have an edu discount on an entertainment product.


That's just the parts...
By JeffDM on 9/18/2006 12:20:32 PM , Rating: 5
Seriously, have any of you run a business? The price of the parts doesn't cover all the expenses. Apple's not making 50% profit here.

Those prices don't count distribution, support & warranty, retail markup and other overhead. In the end, Apple's net profits are more like 10%.




RE: That's just the parts...
By mindless1 on 9/18/2006 7:18:26 PM , Rating: 2
You are prematurely assuming Apple is paying that much for the parts. Apple most likely gets very large quantity discounts, these so-called parts cost estimations tend to run impossibly high for many devices that are not selling at a loss.


The other side
By crystal clear on 9/18/2006 1:06:22 PM , Rating: 1
"Analysts from Gartner point to the cost of materials for several of Apple's new flash-based iPod models to drive home their point."

To drive home my point read the JUPITER RESEARCH report on
IPOD users-you read the other side of the coin,MUSIC.
(BBC website)
IPOD sales will fall irespective of their prices,the users/buyers are going away somewhere else.
Apple better focus on the consumer/buyer.user rather than on
prices of their models-THE TREND is moving away from IPODs.





RE: The other side
By ATC on 9/18/2006 2:25:28 PM , Rating: 4
I think a lot of people seem to forget that while the ipod itself is a great player, it's what’s around it that makes it unbeatable (for the foreseeable future).

iTunes and the world of ipod accessories are nothing short of amazing. Yes, some people are reporting bugs in version 7, but I haven't experienced any personally since it came out and there will be updates coming for those who are.

So why some people say the trend is moving away from ipod is beyond me considering there is nothing available to compete with the player directly, let alone with the entire system of iTunes and all available accessories.


Bring 'em on
By jtesoro on 9/18/2006 11:28:07 AM , Rating: 2
While I may not join the ranks of one competitor or the other, I'm excited to see how this battle shapes up.




mmmm hefty progfit margin
By patentman on 9/18/2006 12:22:39 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like my investment in apple stock is going to pay off, what with a >50% proft margin on each ipod sold.




Heh
By Nik00117 on 9/18/2006 2:14:16 PM , Rating: 2
I lift weights, I don't want a big ipod on my shoulder, and I honsetly don't care if supports movies or not. Cause i'm not going be sitting there at the powerrack watching Peter Pan inbetween sets. However I owna 512 MB Flash MP3 player cost me 30 bucks... works like a charm, I even stepped on it still works came with a 2 yr warranty as well. Currently I am considering buying a 1GB or 2 GB new one. I will most likely go with a 1 GB mainly because they are cheap and effective. Could prob hold safely 200 of my songs. I listen to my Mp3 player about 5 to 6 hours a week, not a lot so battery life isn't a concern either.

I'd never get a ipod simply cause I don't need it. Also I know PCs very well I am sorry but running with a HD well its running doesn't like a good idea IMHO. I mean if it breaks you're pretty much screwed. I'll stick with flash memory for those kinds of stuff.




All this tells me...
By Doormat on 9/18/2006 6:53:16 PM , Rating: 2
Is that if anyone did manage to make an iPod nano killer, Apple could cut their price another $25-50 on these units and still be OK.




Apple Chooses Profits Over Customers
By x123 on 9/18/06, Rating: 0
By gus6464 on 9/18/2006 10:58:28 PM , Rating: 2
It's just common economics, why lower the price of a product that does not have that much of competition. Maximize profits now and when their commanding market share is threatened then lower prices. If you had a business and sold a product as popular as the ipod you would do the same. The ipod mini is still the best selling ipod ever whose price point was actually higher than the current nano lineup so if anything people will buy of the new nanos because of this and possibly increase its already dominant 76% market share.


Apple shmapple.
By ReblTeen84 on 9/19/2006 7:47:41 AM , Rating: 2
Not that i don't like the ipods for their looks, but I had one and took it back within 2 days. I didn't like the fact that there was no custom EQ out of the box, i don't like the fact that i have to import through itunes (not that i don't use itunes either). I'm currently using an 8gb microphoto i got for $179 and it sounds better than the ipod, to me at least. Easier to use too. I don't see the point of paying 250 for something when i can get one just as good for almost a hundred cheaper.




What Apple knows
By mindless1 on 9/18/2006 7:23:33 PM , Rating: 1
Apple knows they're not selling a function specific device, they're selling a chic concept, a status symbol and it doesn't matter what the hardware cost as it would on any other device.

Apple is making a mistake though, in their presumption that they don't have to be cost competitive with anyone else. They had an advantage in being early to market with a polished product and that gained them momentum, but SOON there will be quite a few competing, polished products, and former iPod users disillusioned from the Apple oddball mindset that a device is something other than a hardware means to an end.

They're going to lose a lot of marketshare and ultimately profits because of this and we don't even have to consider Zune for it to be true.




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