backtop


Print 129 comment(s) - last by overlandpark4m.. on Sep 25 at 10:15 PM


Federighi, Cook, and Ive  (Source: Bloomberg)
Cook, Jony Ive and Craig Federighi talk about the new iPhones, market share and the competition

Only a week after the big iPhone 5S/5C reveal and a day before their launch, Apple CEO Tim Cook says he isn't worried about iPhone market share, and even managed to throw a few stones at the likes of Nokia and Google's Android. 

Bloomberg BusinessWeek's Sam Grobart sat down with Cook to talk about Apple's place in the mobile market, and whether Cook is worried that competitors like Android will continue gaining market share in various areas as Apple continues to offer luxury-priced phones that appeal to only certain markets. 

“There’s always a large junk part of the market,” said Cook during the interview. “We’re not in the junk business. There’s a segment of the market that really wants a product that does a lot for them, and I want to compete like crazy for those customers. I’m not going to lose sleep over that other market, because it’s just not who we are. Fortunately, both of these markets are so big, and there’s so many people that care and want a great experience from their phone or their tablet, that Apple can have a really good business.”

Apple recently announced the expected high-end iPhone 5S, which has a starting unsubsidized price of $650. The iPhone 5C, which was believed to be a budget version of the iPhone for emerging markets like China, was expected to be priced at a "budget" range. However, its unsubsidized price is only $100 less than the 5S. 

While Apple is working hard to make deals with China Unicom, China Telecom and China Mobile, many wondered if Apple would be able to sell to this market considering the still-high price of the iPhone 5C. 


iPhone 5C

“We never had an objective to sell a low-cost phone,” said Cook. “Our primary objective is to sell a great phone and provide a great experience, and we figured out a way to do it at a lower cost.”

Google's Android is a good example of an operating system that spans both high and low end smartphones, offering a vast price range for those looking to shop on either side of the spectrum. This gives Android the ability to reach various markets, and continue gaining market share. In fact, IDC said nearly 80 percent of the world’s smartphones run Android. It also said the average unsubsidized price for a smartphone fell from $450 to $375 last year. 

But Cook brushes this off, saying that customers tend to buy Android devices and dump them in a drawer while an iPhone is the smartphone they truly use.

“Does a unit of market share matter if it’s not being used? For us, it matters that people use our products. We really want to enrich people’s lives, and you can’t enrich somebody’s life if the product is in the drawer.”

Cook added that he doesn't see Android as just one entity competing against Apple. Rather, the operating system is so fragmented that many users are running versions as old as Gingerbread from three years ago. 

Here's a breakdown: About 45 percent of Android users are on Jelly Bean, the latest version of Android, while 31 percent are still on Gingerbread and 22 percent are on Ice Cream Sandwich. Apple says 93 percent of its users were on iOS 6 at the end of June.


iPhone 5S

“And so by the time they exit, they’re using an operating system that’s three or four years old," said Cook. "That would be like me right now having in my pocket iOS 3. I can’t imagine it.”

Apple's idea is that having one company work on both the hardware and the software makes a big difference when it comes to user experience, instead of Google's method where Android is given out to various hardware manufacturers like Samsung. 

Jony Ive (senior vice president of Design at Apple) and Craig Federighi (senior vice president of Software Engineering at Apple) -- who also took part in the interview -- agreed that the new iPhones marry hardware and software better than other smartphones. And while the iPhone doesn't receive new OS versions or updates as often as Android, they said that Apple doesn't just push out new features for the sake of having them; they take the time to perfect them, and make them better than anyone else. 

“New? New is easy. Right is hard,” said Federighi.

Cook also addressed the Apple/Microsoft comparison of the 1990s, where Microsoft licensed its Windows operating system to hardware makers like Dell and Hewlett-Packard while Apple only used its operating system on its own Mac hardware line. This allowed Microsoft to gain a ton of market share at that time while Apple's plummeted, and many wonder if Apple is making the same mistake in its competition with Android. 

Speaking of Microsoft, Cook said the recent $7.2 billion purchase of Nokia's devices and services unit shows that more companies are trying to follow Apple's lead. He also took a jab at Nokia, saying that it's failure to innovate led to its end as a mobile leader.

“Everybody is trying to adopt Apple’s strategy,” said Cook. “We’re not looking for external validation of our strategy, but I think it does suggest that there’s a lot of copying, kind of, on the strategy and that people have recognized that importance.
 
"I think [Nokia] is a reminder to everyone in business that you have to keep innovating and that to not innovate is to die.”

The iPhone 5S and iPhone 5C hit store shelves tomorrow, and while iPhone market share sits below that of Android and Apple stock has taken a dive since its $700+ high last September, Cook believes that the company is doing the right thing.

Source: Bloomberg Businessweek



Comments     Threshold


This article is over a month old, voting and posting comments is disabled

Man
By Ammohunt on 9/19/2013 12:22:21 PM , Rating: 5
This guy i feel has been "taking the pot" a little too much.

All i can say is sell your Apple shares this guy is going to RIM Apple.




RE: Man
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/19/2013 12:25:35 PM , Rating: 5
I'm sure the "What, us worry?" is BW's doing, and not Cook's, but man...

That just reeks of smugness.


RE: Man
By half_duplex on 9/19/13, Rating: -1
RE: Man
By msheredy on 9/19/13, Rating: -1
RE: Man
By Kiffberet on 9/20/2013 7:48:02 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Apple CEO Tim Cook Says No One Uses Android Smartphones


Great headline. Except Tim Cook didn't say that...

Made me read the article, though, so well done.


RE: Man
By exeedorbit on 9/20/2013 9:55:35 AM , Rating: 5
Brought to you by the "talented" Tiffany Kaiser. She's always sensationalizing titles of her articles.


RE: Man
By futrtrubl on 9/19/2013 1:26:45 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
“There’s always a large junk part of the market,” said Cook during the interview.


Sounds like they are directing their comments at the "large junk part of the market" using Android.

And then there was that entire ad campaign saying PC users were, by proxy, boring.

There are no innocent companies now. The innocent fail.


RE: Man
By Guspaz on 9/20/2013 12:13:59 PM , Rating: 4
There's some truth to it. By all measurements, Android is vastly outselling iOS devices, and yet iOS has a vastly higher mobile browser marketshare. I'm not entirely sure how to interpret that and relate it to device sales, but my guess is that Android is converting large chunks of the feature-phone market with low-end Android devices, and that most of these users continue to use their new smartphone like they did their feature-phone (as in, don't use the "smartphone" features like apps or browsers).

That's great for Android from a revenue perspective, but isn't directly useful in terms of building the ecosystem. The upside is that all those users already have the hardware, so they may grow into the smartphone ecosystem; they're already part-way there.


RE: Man
By Solandri on 9/20/2013 5:29:02 PM , Rating: 4
Search for my name and read my other post. Android generates nearly twice as much web traffic as iOS does. The aphorism that iOS has more market share comes from measurements of unique visitors each month, not actual web traffic volume.

In other words, iOS' share of unique visitors is inflated by millions of iOS users who occasionally browse the web. The people who do heavy web browsing are mostly on Android. Android has roughly half the number of people who browse that iOS does (that part of the aphorism is true - most Android users never browse the web). But those people browsing with Android generate nearly twice the web traffic of iOS despite having only half as many people.


RE: Man
By ihateu3 on 9/20/2013 12:13:25 AM , Rating: 3
Remember Microsoft never attacking Apple or its users, but yet Apple struck against their users with "I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC" commercial? But now that its not Apple doing it, its wrong? Looks like Samsung must have copied Apple again, but this time on the marketing asshole side, SMH...

All companies trying to compete with Apple must fight fire with fire, because GD if Apple is not one of the dirtiest companies...

Remember Apple attacking its own customers with "you're holding it wrong" or "Apple's do not need virus protection" etc???


RE: Man
By Tony Swash on 9/19/13, Rating: -1
RE: Man
By Dorkyman on 9/20/2013 12:53:30 PM , Rating: 2
Gee, I don't know. To me, hearing this swagger reminded me of Baghdad Bob. Parallel Universe stuff.


RE: Man
By Piiman on 9/21/2013 9:22:43 AM , Rating: 3
"There’s always a large junk part of the market,” said Cook during the interview. “We’re not in the junk business. There’s a segment of the market that really wants a product that does a lot for them, and I want to compete like crazy for those customers. I’m not going to lose sleep over that other market, because it’s just not who we are. Fortunately, both of these markets are so big, and there’s so many people that care and want a great experience from their phone or their tablet, that Apple can have a really good business.”
so basically if you don't buy an iPhone you aren't the market he wants and you must only buy junk? LOL he sounds a lot like Balmer when he laughed off the iPhone


RE: Man
By half_duplex on 9/19/13, Rating: -1
RE: Man
By invidious on 9/19/2013 1:05:34 PM , Rating: 3
You can only milk a cow so long before you need another cow.


RE: Man
By Tony Swash on 9/19/13, Rating: -1
RE: Man
By msheredy on 9/19/13, Rating: 0
RE: Man
By Dorkyman on 9/20/13, Rating: 0
RE: Man
By troysavary on 9/19/13, Rating: 0
RE: Man
By retrospooty on 9/19/2013 6:23:48 PM , Rating: 5
"Now I am going to have to apologize to retro for claiming he was as delusional as you."

LOL... Thank you for that. No-one is as delusional as TS. He's a good guy, but damn, is he off the deep end over Apple. I truly believe he wants these things to be true.


RE: Man
By Samus on 9/20/2013 4:23:45 AM , Rating: 2
If you say something enough to yourself and ignore all feedback, it becomes true in your world. Swashworld is all that matters to him.


RE: Man
By retrospooty on 9/20/2013 10:25:36 AM , Rating: 2
"If you say something enough to yourself and ignore all feedback, it becomes true in your world. Swashworld is all that matters to him."

Yup... To Tony, Apple is a shining beacon of light that is to be adored. LOL... The RDF is in full force.


RE: Man
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/20/13, Rating: 0
RE: Man
By Piiman on 9/21/2013 9:32:01 AM , Rating: 2
He probable sits in his car looking at the line whacking off. Tony get out of the car and go whack off in line or you may not get that new shiny Iphone. Come to think of it if you go whack off in line you probably won't get one either at least not until you get out of jail. Hey but don't let that stop you the iPhone is worth a little jail time. lol


RE: Man
By ihateu3 on 9/20/13, Rating: 0
RE: Man
By momorere on 9/20/13, Rating: 0
RE: Man
By retrospooty on 9/19/2013 1:21:31 PM , Rating: 5
" he needs to stay the high road. "

He should. Any time an exec says anything about the competition, just shows they are worried about the competition. He should just publicly say nothing. Talk about their new stuff and sales #'s , all impressive. Stooping to insulting the competitors really comes off as petty coming from execs, this goes for any company.


RE: Man
By robinthakur on 9/20/2013 12:49:29 PM , Rating: 3
Agreed, The minute the CEO starts actually comparing Apple's products to downmarket value-oriented devices, the premium brand will start to suffer by that very comparison, even though he was careful to be clear, people not familiar with the smartphone market might misunderstand. Apple have always chased the slightly more well-healed for the margin and they should totally not stop. It would be like Louis Vuitton doing a capsule collection for Walmart.

There are premium branded Android offerings, but even these do not have the currency or hold their value as well as Apple's phones due to being replaced in the market so quickly and featuring cheaper looking and feeling designs, or not being able to run the newest version of Android.

The fact that glass and metal are not robust is actually useful for Apple, because they are trying to emulate luxury watch construction, and really, who throws their Rolex around? It's not like they don't make a bunch of cash replacing smashed iPhones for a fee, anyway.


RE: Man
By spamreader1 on 9/23/2013 12:44:23 PM , Rating: 2
True, though I gotta admit, I find Microsofts latest round of commercials poking fun at the things the ipad lacks hilarious.


RE: Man
By m51 on 9/19/2013 2:52:58 PM , Rating: 3
Apple makes good quality products and they charge a premium for that. I have no issue with that, I'm willing to pay for quality design.

However my smartphone use is dominated by screen use, not as phone use. No matter how good the other features of an iPhone get if they don't start offering a larger screen iPhone I'm jumping ship and getting an Android phone next. Most other iPhone users I know are also getting frustrated with the small screen size.

I'd bet that Apple stock wouldn't have lost any value if they had brought out a phone with an increased screen size for the 5s, and $100 cheaper on the 5c.

I hope they are starting to hear the alarm bells in Cupertino.


RE: Man
By w8gaming on 9/19/2013 11:48:14 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is too smugged about they being the first to be wildly successful in smartphone and that has blinded them to the fact that many customers want features that Apple does not currently have, but can offer if they CHOOSE to, yet they CHOOSE NOT to. Hence, their market share keep shrinking. If I am an investor in Apple's stock I will be worried. After 2 years, Apple senior management still fails to see the signs and realize what they should do.


RE: Man
By Kiffberet on 9/20/13, Rating: -1
RE: Man
By OoklaTheMok on 9/20/2013 12:59:46 AM , Rating: 2
People who buy iPhones also buy iPads... make a big iPhone, and they will likely sell fewer iPads...


RE: Man
By cfaalm on 9/20/2013 7:24:30 AM , Rating: 2
Your logic sounds plausible, but it doesn't seem to bother Samsung. They've got about every screen size covered.


RE: Man
By spaced_ on 9/22/2013 2:36:14 PM , Rating: 2
Samsung have pursued market share instead of chasing high profit margins. Some of their own devices cannibalise their own margins - in the end they have the mind share.

They have always had this strategy before they started making phones and other companies often struggle to compete with them in many markets as a result.

Apple is worried. They've decided not to pursue market share in 'junk' markets and have pigeon-holed themselves in the 'premium' market. Give it a few more years and see what happens to that market.

We can only speculate now but the actions they're taking and the competition they face suggests they're going to be struggling imo.

I can see why they held off offering a cheaper iphone to capture emerging markets. It could cannibalise their own sales. I have zero idea why they have nothing to compete with their larger screened competitors. Doesn't make any business sense to me.


RE: Man
By mingocr83 on 9/19/2013 12:35:02 PM , Rating: 5
Well, if we get to his numbers, Cook is blowing Apple up to pieces. How come Apple lost 27 billion dollars in market value after the 5's and 5C were announced. It clearly shows that Apple is not on the same track that Jobs, even with all this bullshit talk kept the company in.

Underestimating competition regardless of who they are is a big big mistake, and as you say, sell shares now..in a few years this company could be in the brink...


RE: Man
By ClownPuncher on 9/19/2013 2:31:22 PM , Rating: 1
Yea, though the 5S seems to be a pretty good little phone judging by its performance metrics.


RE: Man
By ClownPuncher on 9/19/2013 4:28:23 PM , Rating: 3
Which Anand shows here -

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-r...

Vote it down all you like, it changes nothing.


RE: Man
By BifurcatedBoat on 9/19/2013 6:45:02 PM , Rating: 5
However, the types of people who care most about phone benchmarks, are also the group that is least likely to buy an iPhone.


RE: Man
By ClownPuncher on 9/19/2013 6:57:08 PM , Rating: 2
Probably. I don't have a reason to own one. Doesn't mean it's a bad phone, though.


RE: Man
By Piiman on 9/21/2013 9:38:32 AM , Rating: 3
So what are you going to do with that extra 11 milliseconds? Note it may not even be 11 milliseconds.
These benchmarks are all bs to the average consumer.


RE: Man
By ClownPuncher on 9/23/2013 1:49:36 PM , Rating: 2
Benchmarks matter when it's for an Andriod phone, but not when it's an Apple phone. Got it.


RE: Man
By Nortel on 9/19/13, Rating: 0
RE: Man
By tayb on 9/19/2013 12:46:08 PM , Rating: 4
Sell? I bought Apple earlier this week at 452. It's up to 475 today. Why would I sell? iOS 7 is a hit with customers and the new iPhone will sell millions as it always does. I would be shocked if it didn't hit 500 in the next 30 days.

Beyond the bullshit is a bit of truth. Android is outselling iOS nearly 4:1 but in browser usage statistics the iPhone is being used nearly twice as much as Android. Read those numbers again. Nearly 4 times as many devices but half as much usage? So... what Cook said is mostly marketing bullshit but there is some truth.


RE: Man
By elleehswon on 9/19/2013 1:02:25 PM , Rating: 3
....or that us android users actually have more important things to do than dick around on a smartphone browser all day.


RE: Man
By Da W on 9/19/13, Rating: -1
RE: Man
By bupkus on 9/19/2013 3:13:43 PM , Rating: 4
This is his only post on this thread.


RE: Man
By Piiman on 9/21/2013 9:42:03 AM , Rating: 1
Yes! We have to get those mobil browsing stats up! LOL


RE: Man
By Jeffk464 on 9/19/2013 1:36:37 PM , Rating: 5
Browser usage isn't everything, I use my phone more for other stuff like:
Pandora
gps
podcasts
spreadsheets at the gym
heart rate monitor
timer
etc

If I'm around a computer I would personally rather browse on the bigger screen.


RE: Man
By Omega215D on 9/19/2013 1:56:32 PM , Rating: 2
Not only that but I don't let my browsers stay on the Android setting too long. I go to Desktop unless the site works very well under mobile settings.

I also have Privacy mode turned on for Dolphin and Firefox.


RE: Man
By nafhan on 9/19/2013 2:13:58 PM , Rating: 3
This is a great point. Web browsing is doable on a small screen, but not good.

I'd be interested to see how much of the iOS browser share comes from iPads. Apple (from what I've heard) is still way ahead on tablets. I'd be willing to bet that if you were able narrow it down to phone browsing, the iOS vs. Android numbers would look a little different. In short, using iOS numbers here to say older Android phones are terrible for web browsing is a bit disingenuous.


RE: Man
By hubb1e on 9/19/2013 5:31:50 PM , Rating: 2
I'd also bet that he's looking at mobile safari vs stock android browsers. I'd argue that a lot of Android customers are using non-stock browsers. I know I am.


RE: Man
By Mint on 9/19/2013 8:21:56 PM , Rating: 2
One study (can't remember which) showed that if you only look at 3G/4G browsing, Android has more than half. It's only when you include Wifi that Apple's mobile usage is so much greater.

iPhones seem to be used at home with Wifi a lot. I'm guessing Android users like to use their PCs for browsing when they're at home.


RE: Man
By nafhan on 9/20/2013 1:10:31 PM , Rating: 3
I'd say that data would possibly support my theory that a lot of iOS browsing comes from iPads as I'm pretty sure most iPads are wifi only.


RE: Man
By Solandri on 9/19/2013 2:05:40 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Beyond the bullshit is a bit of truth. Android is outselling iOS nearly 4:1 but in browser usage statistics the iPhone is being used nearly twice as much as Android. Read those numbers again. Nearly 4 times as many devices but half as much usage?

That is incorrect. It's a common mistake made by Apple fans because they're being fed only a small slice of statistics favorable to their fandom which mischaracterizes what's actually going on.

There are three big web usage measuring companies: StatCounter, W3Counter, and Net Applications. StatCounter is by far the biggest of them, counting visits to 3 million sites, while W3Counter measures about 70,000 sites and Net Applications about 40,000. Net Applications' sample (which is the one most frequently used by Apple fans) is actually so small they do statistical corrections (massage the numbers) to correct for biases caused by having an incomplete cross-section of the web.

W3Counter and Net Applications are the measures which show iOS with a 2:1 (used to be 3:1) lead over Android. But the important thing Apple fans aren't told is that they only count unique visitors each month. That is, someone who visits a site just once in a month because he followed a link in a news article counts just as much as someone who uses the site every day.

StatCounter doesn't count unique visits. They count page hits - actual web usage. When you do that, you find that:
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-daily-2013...

Surprise! Android has a nearly 2:1 lead in web usage over iOS, and its lead is growing. In other words, more people use iOS to access the web. But most of those are just random and infrequent page visits. The hardcore web users who do a lot of frequent surfing are on Android. If you combine the overall site visits and unique visitor stats, yes nearly twice as many iOS users browse the web as Android users. But the average Android user who actually uses the web browser does almost 4x as much browsing as the average iOS user.

So if you divide smartphone users into three categories, those who never browse the web are mostly on Android, those who occasionally browse the web are mostly on iOS, and those who browse the web a lot are mostly on Android.


RE: Man
By retrospooty on 9/19/2013 2:27:17 PM , Rating: 2
LOL... They do love to skew stats those Apple people. ROFL.


RE: Man
By Tony Swash on 9/19/13, Rating: -1
RE: Man
By retrospooty on 9/19/2013 6:08:18 PM , Rating: 2
I am not sure your point with that... I have always said a cheaper iPhone model made sense and was a smart move by Apple. I totally agree. I think a larger screen higher res model would be even bigger, so to speak... But that isnt the topic at hand. What was being discussed is Apple's skewed web usage stats and the fact that this is closer to reality. Android over IOS 2 to 1.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-daily-2013...

Not that it matters, as 10 million other people's web usage doesn't affect yours or my web usage. I just find it funny how stats are skewed.


RE: Man
By retrospooty on 9/19/2013 6:10:03 PM , Rating: 2
Or perhaps you prefer a bar graph. I think it illustratesthe point even better. ;)

http://i.imgur.com/8Qf7f4R.png


RE: Man
By KiwiTT on 9/19/2013 2:29:36 PM , Rating: 2
Well measuring website hits are also not enough. I use apps to mainly to access my internet info. And I am sure many others do as well. How are they measured?


RE: Man
By troysavary on 9/19/2013 6:29:10 PM , Rating: 2
Which matters not one bit. To the Web server, a request from an app and a request from a browser look the same. It still counts as a hit.


RE: Man
By tayb on 9/19/13, Rating: -1
RE: Man
By Rukkian on 9/19/2013 4:10:48 PM , Rating: 4
I know you wont grasp this, cause it may not be all rosey for apple, but he was actually spot on from the metrics. He is not taking one metric to make a judgement, he is putting them all together to make a complete picture.

Two metrics (W3Counter and Net Applications) only track unique visitors each month, which is what apple quotes as to why the usage is higher. From this, it shows a 2:1 advantage to IOS users.

Now look at the other metric (stat counter) which shows page hits, and Android has a 2:1 lead.

When you put these together, you can get a better overall picture. It seems that IOS with 1/4 the market share has 2x the amount of people that use the web (lightly). That more than likely means that there are a bunch of Andoids that dont surf the web, but then you combine that with 2:1 web traffic, which shows that 1/2 as many unique vistors use the web 2x as much, showing a 4x difference, hence the fact that for the ones that do use it, use it more than an average IOS user.

Most people dont care either way, but this just shows that anybody can get a stat that shows pretty much anything they want if they format it right.


RE: Man
By retrospooty on 9/19/2013 4:19:39 PM , Rating: 3
That, and other people's web habit really don't effect yours, nor does it affect your user experience.


RE: Man
By Reclaimer77 on 9/20/2013 10:19:40 AM , Rating: 1
Lol my god you're retarded, aren't you? You are so blind you cannot grasp the significance of what's right in your face.


RE: Man
By KoolAidMan1 on 9/19/2013 6:46:52 PM , Rating: 3
This doesn't explain why Google's ad revenue from iOS is higher, nor does it explain developers making more money on iOS. iOS usage is higher because it is on more high end devices while Android is on more low end devices.

People who have a GS3 or GS4 use it like someone uses an iPhone, Cook is wrong there. The number of high end Android devices is outnumbered by iPhones and low end Android phones, resulting in Android's lower overall usage share. It's simple


RE: Man
By 91TTZ on 9/19/2013 3:24:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
iOS 7 is a hit with customers and the new iPhone will sell millions as it always does.


I wouldn't say that IOS 7 is a hit. I downloaded it yesterday and I think it's a step in the wrong direction. It's not the fact that it's "different" that I don't like- it's that the usability is inferior. I feel that they made a bold step to choose form over function. The OS isn't strange to me, in fact it "feels" familiar to me. It seems a lot like Microsoft's "Metro" initiative. That's been out for a couple of years, and yet I don't like that, either. It just isn't a good user interface.

I made the pretty bold switch to leave the Windows world to jump over to the Apple world when the iPhone 3G came out. I didn't like the direction Microsoft was going with their user interface while Apple seemed to be going in a better direction. It was a big change for me but it was a change in the right direction. But then Apple does a 180 and starts to follow Microsoft with their flat UI and Metro look. I'm used to it, I just don't like it at all.



RE: Man
By w8gaming on 9/19/2013 11:51:13 PM , Rating: 2
Probably because iPhone and iPad do not have an SD slot and therefore limiting what the users can do without internet. Meanwhile, Android users do not need internet that much and hence actual internet usage is lower.


RE: Man
By Piiman on 9/21/2013 9:41:03 AM , Rating: 2
What does Browser usage have to do with market share? All it says to me is iPhones users don't have PC's to browse the web on.


RE: Man
By CharonPDX on 9/19/13, Rating: 0
RE: Man
By XZerg on 9/19/2013 3:32:47 PM , Rating: 2
funny thing is that as soon as 5c and 5s were announced, apple stock was downgraded by many analysts with targets set to below $500 mark.

With Nokia take over, Microsoft gets a bit more control on the hardware side too. And Microsoft is a company that has sunk billions of dollars to gain market share in all industries - xbox, bing, Windows phone, ... Google's android has shown it is unstoppable and with Motorola hardware under its helm, you have two Nancy Tellemlining their Aces up against Apple. Samsung brand too has become a behemoth to deal with and it too is a force to be not reckon with. And on the hardware side you also have to look at the likes of Qualcomm and Intel, new entrant, who too are behemoths that Apple is indirectly competing against.

So Apple now can and will feel the competition heat. It will need to pull up Aces too and at a quicker pace than it has in the past to keep its market share. Also the recent trend easily is proving that the brand value advantage Apple had over others has dramatically been reduced by the likes of Samsung.

Apple isn't going to disappear in matter of couple years but I can see them losing out on ASPs big time with all those behemoths aiming to take their own bigger bite of the market. And that's what will hurt their market capital big time too.


RE: Man
By XZerg on 9/19/2013 10:08:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
you have two Nancy Tellemlining their Aces up against Apple


not sure what Nancy Tellemlining is doing there but it should be two behmoths.


RE: Man
By Jeffk464 on 9/19/2013 1:25:14 PM , Rating: 2
These CEO's do realize how stupid they sound right? Who believes there are no high end android phones and now we even have quality windows pones.


RE: Man
By Tony Swash on 9/20/13, Rating: -1
RE: Man
By retrospooty on 9/20/2013 8:02:19 PM , Rating: 1
1 picture says a thousand words...

http://imgur.com/XJXrOXu


Sorry Tim,
By Bostlabs on 9/19/2013 12:42:25 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not interested in an iPhone.
I do like my iPad though, but it does seem to be rather limited on what you can do with it.

I have a Motorola Droid Bionic right now and it is close to time for it to be replaced. Looking at the Samsung Galaxy S4 right now. It is looking sweet.




RE: Sorry Tim,
By Jeffk464 on 9/19/2013 1:31:50 PM , Rating: 2
LG G2 also looks pretty great, and the nexus 5 is coming out soon.


RE: Sorry Tim,
By Rukkian on 9/19/2013 2:21:11 PM , Rating: 2
I would love a N5, but alas, since Verizon is the only decent coverage around me, and I still have unlimited data, I need to pick one of theirs. I think the LGG2 will be it, probably next week, as my wife says I am not allowed a new phone before she gets her iphone 5c.


RE: Sorry Tim,
By bronskrat on 9/19/2013 3:26:47 PM , Rating: 2
You do know you can't upgrade your phone without losing your unlimited data right? You have to buy a new phone yourself to keep the unlimited data plan.

If you know any solution around this (other than the 'add a second line and use that phone' trick), I'd like to hear it!


RE: Sorry Tim,
By Treknologist on 9/19/2013 3:29:39 PM , Rating: 2
Check this article at Droid Life: http://www.droid-life.com/2013/09/17/keep-unlimite... It may help with that.


RE: Sorry Tim,
By Rukkian on 9/19/2013 4:22:15 PM , Rating: 2
Basically just have to transfer the upgrade, which is my plan. If I have to buy one outright, I will, but will wait and maybe pick it up used in a few months. Still better than adding $60/month permanently to my bill. The data is a little bit more, but we have 2 dumb phones on our account as well, which each go up $20/month on the share everything plans.


RE: Sorry Tim,
By Treknologist on 9/19/2013 3:26:55 PM , Rating: 2
The N7 has LTE that works on Verizon's network (once they clear their ridiculously slow certification process). It is possible the next Nexus phone will also work on Verizon, so I'd keep an eye on it.


RE: Sorry Tim,
By Rukkian on 9/19/2013 4:25:06 PM , Rating: 2
No way, not until VoLTE kicks in. The N5 that went through FCC does not have the lte band needed (13) to work with Verizon, and will not have cdma radios in it.

VoLTE is supposed to start rolling out next year, and I am figuring that by the time I am due to replace my next phone, lte should be available everywhere I would need it, at which time I will likely get whatever nexus phone is out at that time.


RE: Sorry Tim,
By Reclaimer77 on 9/19/2013 2:30:33 PM , Rating: 2
The MotoX is looking real strong in reviews too. There's so much awesomeness in the Android ecosystem right now, there is a phone for everyone.


RE: Sorry Tim,
By Rukkian on 9/19/2013 4:26:54 PM , Rating: 2
I agree and was thinking hard about that. I just wish moto maker was available outside AT&T, or at least more storage, having other carriers stuck with only 16GB sucks imo.


RE: Sorry Tim,
By jimbojimbo on 9/20/2013 3:59:18 PM , Rating: 2
I really like the Moto X but again no micrSD card or wireless charging on it. Oh well. I'm happy with my S4 with both of those though.


RE: Sorry Tim,
By Bostlabs on 9/20/2013 1:48:26 PM , Rating: 2
Wow!

Thanks for all the suggestions guys!

Time to do more research.


Wow
By wookie1 on 9/19/2013 12:25:28 PM , Rating: 2
“Does a unit of market share matter if it’s not being used?"

I think it matters to stockholders! What a brash statement. Hubris has reached new levels over there, try not to fly too close to the sun, guys, the wax holding your wings on will melt and you will plummet back to earth.




RE: Wow
By HoosierEngineer5 on 9/19/2013 12:45:50 PM , Rating: 4
Got an iPad some time ago. It sits in the drawer, not being used. Don't have a clue as to what Cook is talking about.


RE: Wow
By HoosierEngineer5 on 9/19/2013 4:30:41 PM , Rating: 2
Also, apparently BBC News seems to think that a ream of paper can substitute quite adequately for an iPad.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/09/19/bbc-news-an...


RE: Wow
By kmmatney on 9/19/2013 5:50:40 PM , Rating: 2
Why did this get uprated? If your not using it, then you should sell it. I bought one of the early Nook color tablets, which I never used because it sucked. I was able to sell it for about what I paid, and then I bought an iPad which I use the heck out of (I'm posting from it while iOS7 is downloading).


RE: Wow
By spaced_ on 9/22/2013 2:51:28 PM , Rating: 2
Because the CEO of Apple said that is what is done with competitors products, they're put in a drawer.

Is it really that difficult to make the leap?


RE: Wow
By KoolAidMan1 on 9/19/2013 6:50:05 PM , Rating: 3
Get some apps then, use the damn thing.

Your post is like hearing someone's grandma say "I don't use my PC", then using that anecdote as evidence that the PC is in decline.


RE: Wow
By TheDoc9 on 9/19/2013 12:51:10 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, their wings are already melting.


Congrats Tim Cook
By FITCamaro on 9/19/2013 12:40:15 PM , Rating: 5
Your Steve Jobs Douche Coefficient just went up.




Innovation!
By maven81 on 9/19/2013 1:24:14 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
“Our primary objective is to sell a great phone and provide a great experience, and we figured out a way to do it at a lower cost.”

They figured out that taking the internals from last year's model and replacing the aluminum case with plastic is cheaper? That is some groundbreaking stuff right there!




2 words..."In denial"
By yik3000 on 9/19/2013 1:21:32 PM , Rating: 5
2 words..."In denial"




RE: 2 words..."In denial"
By JackBurton on 9/19/13, Rating: -1
Says former iMaps VP
By thomp237 on 9/19/2013 1:31:24 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
“New? New is easy. Right is hard,” said Federighi.


Because iMaps worked so well when it was right, I mean new, I mean never....




Reality Distortion Field
By lyeoh on 9/19/2013 2:31:25 PM , Rating: 4
Sounds like someone is holding the "Reality Distortion Field Generator" wrong ;).

Note to Tim Cook- point it more at others and less at yourself.




the 47%
By RazelDazel2 on 9/19/2013 6:48:07 PM , Rating: 2
sounds a lot like Mitt Romney's "47%" speech




RE: the 47%
By Mr. E. on 9/19/2013 10:09:47 PM , Rating: 2
Except it was supposed to be an off-mic side comment (which was true). While Cook is proudly proclaiming his BS publicly.


I take back what I said
By amanojaku on 9/19/2013 12:37:58 PM , Rating: 3
About Cook being better than Jobs. It looks like the Apple juice is fermenting his brain.

Android users do use their phones. They're also smart enough to use other devices that are more practical for particular functions. Why watch video on your phone or tablet when you can watch it on a big screen? Why would you play games on your phone or tablet when you have a more powerful console or desktop, connected to a big screen and specially crafted controllers? Why would you use your phone to play music when you have surround sound pumping 500 watts?

Mobile devices are meant to be just that: a device to use when you're moving from location A to B. They cannot, and in the near future will not, replace dedicated entertainment devices. Technology would have to advance significantly for that to happen. I have yet to hear a phone or tablet produce sound better than an old, cheap radio. You can forget replacing a TV any time soon. And people don't use phones and tablets to do real work. The most that can be said for phones and tablets is that they are cannibalizing portable gaming platforms.

Normally, I hate Motley Fool and Gartner, but this article is spot on:
quote:
Gartner conducted a survey recently of 726 tablet owners in the U.S., Australia, and the U.K., and what it learned, first and foremost, is tablet users love their entertainment. According to the study, 50% of device screen time was spent playing games; watching live or streamed TV, videos and movies reading books; or listening to music.

Using tablets and other mobile devices like smartphones for communicating -- sending emails and visiting social media sites, for example -- averaged only 26% of users' time. Being productive, which Gartner describes as editing videos or writing, accounted for a mere 15% of users' activity. And finally, searching for information like the weather or conducting research occupied all of 9% of device screen time.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/09/18/a...




Apple CEO
By mandoman2013 on 9/20/2013 11:05:59 AM , Rating: 2
This is so typically "APPLE" as in "the world revolves around it" Apple. Tim really needs to get out more with Android outselling iPhone 2 - 1 in the "outside" world it makes you wonder what "world" Tim is actually living in.




RE: Apple CEO
By retrospooty on 9/20/2013 12:01:53 PM , Rating: 1
"This is so typically "APPLE" as in "the world revolves around it" Apple. Tim really needs to get out more with Android outselling iPhone 2 - 1 in the "outside" world it makes you wonder what "world" Tim is actually living in."

I think you pretty much nailed it. It's the world that Apple and its more pompous fans live in where they think the world actually revolves around Apple.

Meanwhile in the real world, it doesnt... Even in tech business it doesn't. Don't forget, every iDevice and Mac is made in factories that run their businesses entirely off of MS PC's. Every planning, purchasing, inbound logistics, warehousing, shop floor, shipping, accounting, reverse logistics, CRM software etc etc... It all runs on PC's... A fact those those pompous fanboys hate to be reminded of. LOL.


Ummm
By NellyFromMA on 9/19/2013 1:41:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Cook added that he doesn't see Android as just one entity competing against Apple. Rather, the operating system is so fragmented that many users are running versions as old as Gingerbread from three years ago. Cook added that he doesn't see Android as just one entity competing against Apple. Rather, the operating system is so fragmented that many users are running versions as old as Gingerbread from three years ago.


That even a kind assessment. People are still running 2.x in all its bugginess.




Déjà vu
By toongeorges on 9/19/2013 1:51:53 PM , Rating: 2
We have all seen this before when Elop compared Android to peeing in your pants. When a company becomes too self indulgent, it becomes blind for the competition and it stops innovating. Pride comes before ...?




Oh dear.
By silverblue on 9/19/2013 2:21:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
“Does a unit of market share matter if it’s not being used? For us, it matters that people use our products. We really want to enrich people’s lives, and you can’t enrich somebody’s life if the product is in the drawer.”

I don't know anybody with two smartphones (excluding one they've replaced after a contract has finished, and even then they may cash it in or give it to a friend), but one thing I do know is that more and more of the people I know are buying or, at the very least, considering Samsung or Nokia phones. I haven't heard more than a brief mention of the new iPhones at work whereas there was a significantly higher amount of interest when the 5 came out.

And, in any case, sometimes it doesn't matter how much you innovate if people aren't going to notice. I don't see an iPhone with a groundbreaking camera, or stereo speakers, or NFC, or wireless charging - all things that competitors have brought to the table. What's more, Apple adopted the aspect ratio of competing devices with the iPhone 5, and has seemingly latched onto the idea of a polycarbonate unibody being a good thing two years after Nokia first launched the Lumia series (not saying they invented the idea, but it's certainly the most widespread implementation).

It's a bit rich of a company, one that has admitted to stealing ideas in the past, to accuse another of not innovating enough. Nokia didn't leap onto the Android bandwagon and could've provided some very good devices had they done so, but they took a risk with Windows Phone and they practically own that platform. There's no way they could've competed with Samsung - hell, HTC can't. Nokia dared to be different, just like Apple did, its only crime is not doing it years earlier.

You also have to ask whether Apple would've made the iPad Mini or iPhone 5C if Steve Jobs was still around. It's not exactly innovative to make a different sized or shaped version of an existing device.

The Android version breakdown shows 45% are on v4 and up. Considering they own 80% of the global market, that would mean Jelly Bean has a much larger market share than Apple altogether. I do believe they've missed out a couple of percent of users still on Froyo.




LOL @ "no one uses Android"
By DukeN on 9/19/2013 3:29:39 PM , Rating: 2
Thorsten Heins probably thinks Cook has his head in the sand.




Security, security, security
By bupkus on 9/19/2013 4:22:15 PM , Rating: 2
I don't care to spend the time determining which OS gets patches most promptly for ALL of its iterations. I only wish to state that I see this as a very important part of OS release.
If the stated fragmentation of Android prevents Google's Android team from doing this then shame on those phone companies who mod and then abandon.
What is the state of iPhones on this question? I really don't know.

I have a nook HD+ but I use it as a reader and rarely use it to browse. Perhaps a CM10 or 11 is in my future.
I had a Nexus 7 (2012) but sold it as my eyes are getting too old and tired and I need a larger display.




And in the rest of the world...
By ack on 9/19/2013 5:36:26 PM , Rating: 2
Outside of the USA, where iphones are not subsidized, people have switched from iphone+ipad to just a phablet. That's the trend, and gimmicks are not going to change that. No one in his/her right mind is going to carry/pay for two devices + two data plans.




RIGHT
By sprockkets on 9/19/2013 5:49:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
“New? New is easy. Right is hard,” said Federighi.


Cough, maps, cough cough




He's not COMPLETELY full of !!##
By althaz on 9/19/2013 7:23:37 PM , Rating: 2
My first thought was "seriously, dude?" but on reflection he sortof has a point. Nokia the phone giant didn't innovate propperly or they'd be the biggest tech company in the world right now. They did eventually begin to innovate, but not before it was too late.

Same with the Android comments, while it's a stretch to say people are putting their Android in a drawer and not using them, all usage statistics show that iPhone users use and buy more apps and browse more web pages, so they clearly do use their phones more (this may because of the amount of teens that have iPhones, teens have a lot of time on their hands).




Give it a rest
By robinthakur on 9/20/2013 12:37:22 PM , Rating: 2
You have to remember that the markets don't like timid CEOs who talk up the issues facing their brand. If you expected Cook to do anything other than come out fighting, you must be confusing Apple with another company. Whilst this cover could come back to bite him, I largely agree with what he has to say and his point about fragmentation is valid as is his point about devices in drawers. Our Nexus 7 has been in a drawer after we got bored playing and found that Google Drive seemed to work better on iOS, which was baffling, but then we do have access to iPads and iPhones, so they tended to fit into the Mac/Airplay/AppleTv environment a bit better. I would say Apple's services working together is their strongest point at the moment, making it actually quite difficult to leave and still be able to leverage your previous investments. However, until there is a better option which works as seamlessly, I'll happily stick with the Airplay/OSX/iCloud/AppleTv/iOS option.




By Scrith on 9/20/2013 1:20:49 PM , Rating: 2
...and the new Apple is pretty clueless about the marketplace.




By jimbojimbo on 9/20/2013 3:44:51 PM , Rating: 2
Sure, many Android phones out there are still on GB but why is it iOS 7 JUST now introduced features that GB had? iOS is just really really behind is the real fact.




Woody
By btc909 on 9/20/2013 4:40:56 PM , Rating: 2
Is Tim Cook covering a Woody?

I just used my Android phone a few minutes ago.

I see all of the gains Apple had in the past two days had took a meaty _ _ _ _ once again. Back down to 467 a share.




Some truth, much exaggeration
By dtprodromosr on 9/21/2013 8:05:27 AM , Rating: 2
Noone says, you should sell faulty products. The question is, if the quality is high enough, to justify high prices.
Additionally, I feel offended when the chief of any company, says that his primary goal is the enrichment of the lives of the customers. As a customer I d rather Mr Cook call me an idiot and a thief than try to appear as being led by higher ethical values.
I really am biased against apple for a number of reasons, I do recognise however that iphones and ipads are quality products. Most of the people buy them for the hype though, rather than the usefulness.(mass psychology etc.). This last thing " the usefulness" is a tragic story for apple, as it managed to produce for the first time in its history high priced devices with no low quality hardware and software and in the last minute it managed to score an auto goal. Why is this Mr Cook I am not going to reveal to you, as you ll soon find out as more and
More iphones will stay in the drawer or on some desk as decorative art.




Cook is a disaster
By trajan24 on 9/21/2013 12:40:59 PM , Rating: 2
Every time this clown opens his mouth his arrogant stupidity emerges. Wow! He is a pompous fool. Under his tenure Mac sales and profits have declined for the first time in a decade, the IPHONE which was unchallenged is falling farther and farther behind Android. The "bigger screens no one wanted" according to Cook, are so popular that Apple is playing catch up. Apple's new Macbook Pro is so under spec'd that it is barely better than the Air for practical purposes, another slap in the face to audio visual pros. The new long overdue Mac Pro has severe design limitations that are inexcusable. There seems to be nothing in their pipeline which is exciting anyone other than die hard fans.
Apple needs new leadership with guts and vision, not some bean counting, good enough, let's play catch up fool.




Cook is a disaster
By trajan24 on 9/21/2013 12:43:38 PM , Rating: 2
Every time this clown opens his mouth his arrogant stupidity emerges. Wow! He is a pompous fool. Under his tenure Mac sales and profits have declined for the first time in a decade, the IPHONE which was unchallenged is falling farther and farther behind Android. The "bigger screens no one wanted" according to Cook, are so popular that Apple is playing catch up. Apple's new Macbook Pro is so under spec'd that it is barely better than the Air for practical purposes, another slap in the face to audio visual pros. The new long overdue Mac Pro has severe design limitations that are inexcusable. There seems to be nothing in their pipeline which is exciting anyone other than die hard fans.
Apple needs new leadership with guts and vision, not some bean counting, good enough, let's play catch up fool.




By overlandpark4me on 9/25/2013 10:15:27 PM , Rating: 2
What an idiot.




poor apple
By jokerinexile on 9/19/2013 3:28:09 PM , Rating: 1
Apple reeks of desperation.




Misleading title
By Dug on 9/19/13, Rating: -1
RE: Misleading title
By Rukkian on 9/19/2013 2:24:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
But Cook brushes this off, saying that customers tend to buy Android devices and dump them in a drawer while an iPhone is the smartphone they truly use.


Did you have your eyes open while reading it?


RE: Misleading title
By amanojaku on 9/19/2013 2:47:56 PM , Rating: 5
It's hard to keep your eyes open when you're swimming in the river called denial.


RE: Misleading title
By Dug on 9/19/13, Rating: 0
RE: Misleading title
By Rukkian on 9/19/2013 4:18:10 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
But Cook brushes this off, saying that customers tend to buy Android devices and dump them in a drawer while an iPhone is the smartphone they truly use.


What other context is there? Did I go listen to the audio - no, but from what I see here, he did not mean after the eol. This specifically says they
quote:
tend to buy Android devices and dump them in a drawer while an iPhone is the smartphone they truly use.
. You are adding context if you think it actually says that tend to buy android devices, use them for 2 years, then dump them in a drawer . That is not in this article at all.

He is trying to claim that androids dont get used, and iphones do, which from what I have seen is pure bs. Are there people that simply got the cheapest smartphone out there cause they were duped by the pushers at verizon saying they dont make feature phones anymore, yes. Those people probably dont use it, as they really just wanted a feature phone.


RE: Misleading title
By Dug on 9/19/2013 4:45:49 PM , Rating: 1
What other context is there?
Read the quoted parts of this article and put them together. As in keep reading down further, don't stop at that one line. Or go listen to the audio.

If you really think he meant that someone buys an Android device and immediately dumps it in the drawer, then I'm really sorry for you or anyone else that believes that, because the author only quoted certain parts of the interview.

If you read it correctly and understand the context, you would understand that he is talking about how many Android devices aren't being used anymore and how many Apple devices are still being used. He also goes on to explain that people can update to the latest OS and aren't left behind.

Here are some parts that continue on that one line.

"Does a unit of market share matter if it’s not being used? For us, it matters that people use our products. We really want to enrich people’s lives, and you can’t enrich somebody’s life if the product is in the drawer.”

Cook added that he doesn't see Android as just one entity competing against Apple. Rather, the operating system is so fragmented that many users are running versions as old as Gingerbread from three years ago.

Here's a breakdown: About 45 percent of Android users are on Jelly Bean, the latest version of Android, while 31 percent are still on Gingerbread and 22 percent are on Ice Cream Sandwich. Apple says 93 percent of its users were on iOS 6 at the end of June.

And so by the time they exit, they’re using an operating system that’s three or four years old," said Cook. "That would be like me right now having in my pocket iOS 3. I can’t imagine it.”

And as I said earlier, please show me where Cook says no one uses android smartphones.
That was the whole point of my post. If the author wants to take something out of context and apply her own words because she doesn't understand the entire conversation, that's fine. I'm just saying it's misleading.

And for the record I use an HTC One because I like it as a phone for work. But my iPad2 has gotten more use than the last 3 phones I've had. Where are my other two Android phones that will never be updated? In the drawer.


"If you look at the last five years, if you look at what major innovations have occurred in computing technology, every single one of them came from AMD. Not a single innovation came from Intel." -- AMD CEO Hector Ruiz in 2007














botimage
Copyright 2014 DailyTech LLC. - RSS Feed | Advertise | About Us | Ethics | FAQ | Terms, Conditions & Privacy Information | Kristopher Kubicki