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iPhone 4S

Siri in action

iPod touch, now available in white
Apple finally delivers its next generation iPhone; 64GB model to cost $399 on contract

Fourteen months -- that's how long it's been since Apple released the iPhone 4. That phone touted a 3.5” (640x960) "Retina" display, speedy A4 processor, a problem-prone external antenna, a 5MP camera, and has been a huge success for the company. Sales of the iPhone 4 account for over half of all iPhone models sold since 2007.
 
Since the iPhone 4's introduction, however, the Android competition has grown even more fierce and now command 56 percent of the U.S. smartphone market. Apple needs another hit to keep its smartphone momentum (and cash) flowing, so the company today announced the iPhone 4S.

I. The "new" iPhone 4S 
Judging from its exterior appearance, not much seems changed from the iPhone 4 we’ve all come to know since June 2010 (April 2010 if you count the Gizmodo leak). In fact, the design looks nearly identical to the CDMA iPhone 4 with its improved antenna design that debuted on Verizon’s network earlier this year.
 
On the inside, however, things have changed for the better. Instead of the single-core A4 processor, the iPhone 4S is now packing a scaled down version of the dual-core A5 processor that initially debuted on the iPad 2. Apple claims that the processor is twice as fast and the updated graphics core in the new iPhone 4S allows it to be up to 7 times faster than the iPhone 4.
 
When it comes to battery life, Apple claims up to 8 hours of 3G talk times, 14 hours of 2G talk time, 6 hours of 3G browsing, and 9 hours of Wi-Fi browsing with the iPhone 4S.
 
The iPhone 4S now also a fully functional dual-mode “world” phone that can operate on CDMA and GSM networks (the iPhone 4S supports the “4G-esque” HSDPA standard; 14.4Mbps down). IFixit initially pointed out in early February that the Verizon iPhone 4 contained a dual-mode CDMA/GSM chip that supports HSDPA, but that functionality was disabled.  

An important note -- this iPhone does not have HSPA+.  HSPA+ (aka. "evolved HSPA") requires a fast downlink and a fast uplink.  The new iPhone has a high-speed downlink, but a traditional 3G speed uplink.
 
The iPhone 4S has an 8MP (3264x2448) camera with backside illumination to allow for 73 percent more light. It also includes what Apple calls a Hybrid IR filter and a five-element lens. In addition, the iPhone 4S is capable of recording video in 1080p and includes video image stabilization.

Also new with the iPhone 4S is an "assistant" called Siri. Siri allows you to speak to your iPhone using normal speech patterns and receive a response. For example, "What is the weather like today" will give you a readout of the forecast for your current location. You could also say "Set alarm for 8am" and Siri will automatically fulfill your request. Or saying "Find me an Italian restaurant in New York City" will provide you with a listing of restaurants in that area, and so forth.
 
Siri will you to do anything from setting calendar event to respond to text messages. It can even read back message text for you (or compose it if you wish, like in an email for example).

Siri functionality is featured in most of Apple's built-in apps for iOS.
 

Of course, with each new iPhone release comes a new version of iOS, and this year is no exception. The iPhone 4S comes pre-loaded with iOS 5 (which we have discussed in detail here). IOS 5 brings a host of improvements to the iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad/iPad 2 including a revamped notification system, wireless updates, system-wide Twitter integration, updates to Mail and Safari, iMessage, and iCloud.
 
IOS 5 and iCloud will be available to download on October 12. The iPhone 4 will be available on October 14 for $199 (16GB), $299, (32GB), and $399 (64GB) with a two-year contract. Pre-orders start October 7.

Also, as has been widely reported, Sprint is now jumping on the iPhone bandwagon. The third-place U.S. wireless carrier will get its own version of the iPhone 4S that operates on a 3G network instead of WiMAX. Sprint CEO Dan Hesse has made it clear that its loss of subscribers (and hence revenue) can be partially attributed to not having the iPhone on its network. That excuse won’t fly anymore, however, so we’ll be eager to see how many new customers Sprint picks up when it reports its earnings for the quarter.

II. New iPods are also on the way 
The iPod nano has been updated to include swipe functionality to navigate between apps and 16 new clock faces (for those that are “hip” to turning your iPod nano into a watch). The new nano is priced at $129 for the 8GB model and $149 for the 16GB model.
 
Apple hasn't updated the hardware for the iPod touch, but it did announce that it would now be available in white with price points of $199, $299, and $399 for 8GB, 32GB, and 64GB of storage respectively. 

Source: The Verge



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Meh
By TheRealArdrid on 10/4/2011 2:12:52 PM , Rating: 5
Not for nothing, but I was incredibly bored by this press conference. And, compared to the Galaxy S II and the impending Nexus Prime, I can't say the iPhone 4S is all the impressive. To the contrary, it's rather weak...




RE: Meh
By jiffylube1000 on 10/4/2011 2:17:52 PM , Rating: 5
The issue that's still unresolved - and the one that I will consider in my next smartphone purchase - is the screen size. If it remains unchanged at 3.5" (or anything less than 4"), than Apple has made my decision easy - a larger Android phone. If they have finally bumped the screen up to 4"+, then I'm going to have to debate really hard the pros and cons of each for my next phone purchase.


RE: Meh
By jiffylube1000 on 10/4/2011 2:22:11 PM , Rating: 2
*then (typo)


RE: Meh
By macdevdude on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 3:28:51 PM , Rating: 1
Except they didn;t do anything that Android would have to improve on. 95% of the improvements are all hardware Android is software. So double check who should be improving :)


RE: Meh
By themaster08 on 10/4/2011 3:47:02 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I don't care what you say I can't wait to wrap my hands around Steve Jobs' cock.
Is how I read this.


RE: Meh
By macdevdude on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By nafhan on 10/4/2011 6:45:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
you guys aren't appreciatign how innovative this phone is
Incremental improvements are great, but they aren't innovation... Innovation is essentially doing stuff that hasn't been done before.

If the voice command stuff works as good as they say, that'll be borderline innovative. Everything else... not so much.


RE: Meh
By blackened160 on 10/4/2011 7:24:41 PM , Rating: 3
Android already has a bunch of voice apps.. My only problem with them is I have to shout at my phone to get them to work. Might be a problem with the mic on my GS2. My personal favourite is Vlingo. Spent a 4hr drive last weekend talking and texting without having to touch or look at the phone.

Although, got a little embarrassing when my gf sent a somewhat inappropriate text, which was automatically read out to a car full of people over the speakers.. The timing of the auto-dim and auto-resume of the music was priceless.


RE: Meh
By robinthakur on 10/4/2011 7:40:40 PM , Rating: 2
I thought the presentation was generally as expected (given all the leaks over the last 6 months), but Siri was a game changer IMO. It works in a a way that no other system works (better) and is fully integrated into the OS. For those people that say "android and WP7 have this", watch the presentation to see the natural language ability and integration. It was very Star Trek. Can't wait to use this. During the presentation, there were a few jaw on the floor moments, I was very impressed. Will definitely be replacing my iPhone4 with a 4S on October 14 (as will my partner) thanks to the overall speed bump, better camera and Siri. Whilst the hobbyist in me wants an Android phone to play with, the Apple solution is a more integrated, more poloshed, less risky one, which is what I want for my main phone.

Tim Cook did a good job with this speech, which although lack ng the usual steve jobs pizazz, did the job and gave one confidence in his leadership, which is what the markets are looking for right now.


RE: Meh
By Bubbacub on 10/5/2011 1:19:27 PM , Rating: 2
have you actually used the voice recognition in android? its pretty damn good. you can just talk to it and it figures out what you want. it can also be used throughout the interface if you set things up that way.

the only reason why it isnt used by everybody all the time is that touch controls are superior 99.9% of the time - its just a gimmick really.


RE: Meh
By sleepeeg3 on 10/4/2011 9:27:00 PM , Rating: 3
Voice commands have been around since at least the Motorola V600 (RAZR predecessor). There is nothing innovative about them.


RE: Meh
By sigmatau on 10/4/11, Rating: 0
RE: Meh
By voodoochile123 on 10/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: Meh
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/2011 2:46:37 AM , Rating: 2
You've seen the editorial tone and quality here, right? The loudest and most biased of the commentors on both sides are a product of that. The explanation for posts like that is pretty simple, it is implicitly accepted.


RE: Meh
By voodoochile123 on 10/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: Meh
By Reclaimer77 on 10/4/2011 2:32:28 PM , Rating: 5
The bigger the screen, the worst the "Retina" display will look. The only thing the Retina has over SAMOLED Plus right now is pixel density, and that goes away with a bigger sized screen.

I'm seeing that supposedly iPhone 4S cases have already been shipped to AT&T stores, and the only difference is the camera opening. So if the rumor mill is correct, we won't be seeing a bigger screen size for the new iPhone. Big shock huh?


RE: Meh
By Pirks on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By phantom505 on 10/4/2011 2:50:49 PM , Rating: 5
I use Androids. Anything Apple has next week will be surpassed a month later. Apple's only way to "compete" is to not at all and just try to sue everyone into oblivion. We'll see how that works out for them.


RE: Meh
By Pirks on 10/4/11, Rating: 0
RE: Meh
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 2:59:47 PM , Rating: 5
That's sad though the only thing that have to compete with was not made by them.


RE: Meh
By lightfoot on 10/4/2011 3:03:54 PM , Rating: 5
And Android has had voice commands for at least the last year. Voice commands are nothing new. It's about time Apple played catch-up.


RE: Meh
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 3:06:09 PM , Rating: 2
Except I do think Siri took the voice commands a step forward in that it can interrupt a command based on a sentence and not just giving it a simple command. So yes it is still voice commands but I think it went just a little further.


RE: Meh
By Mitch101 on 10/4/2011 4:25:52 PM , Rating: 4
Yea like Windows Phone 7.5 which allows you to do Voice to Text.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/windows-phone-7...
quote:
‘On a recent run around town with my wife to grab dinner and pick up one of the kids, a text message came in from my son. Not an unusual event in itself, but what made this message interesting is that my phone read it aloud to me - and I replied back with my voice.’

Allows me to reply to text messages while driving.


RE: Meh
By Natch on 10/5/2011 3:17:56 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, come on. Most Apple fanboys probably still think the scene where Scotty picked up the mouse and said, "Computer? Computer???", was really the first glimpse of an Apple voice command app.

Chances are, now Apple's going to sue everyone else that already had voice recognition, claiming that that scene proves they had it first. ;)


RE: Meh
By theapparition on 10/4/2011 3:24:12 PM , Rating: 3
That's common in the industry.

MS didn't invent DirectX, they bought the company that did.

Apple didn't create the A4 and A5 processors, they bought the company that did. As well as voice commands, and an ad revenue company, and probably a bajillion more I can't think of.

But I think nothing less of either company for having the foresight to aquire technologies. I wish a company would buy me out so I can live the rest of my life on a beach.


RE: Meh
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/4/2011 3:42:04 PM , Rating: 2
So, since Apple designed, and Samsung made the A4, you are saying they bought Samsung? Not quite...


RE: Meh
By pukemon on 10/4/2011 4:10:27 PM , Rating: 2
Apple bought P.A. Semi (formerly Palo Alto Semiconductor), who designed the A4 and A5.


RE: Meh
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/4/2011 4:37:35 PM , Rating: 3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.A._Semi

On 23 April 2008, Apple announced that they had acquired P. A. Semi. While Apple's previous relationship with P. A Semi (see above) would indicate that Apple could use their processors, P. A. Semi manufactures only Power Architecture processors, which Apple does not currently use. At present, Apple only uses ARM and x86 processors.

On 11 June 2008, during the annual Worldwide Developer's Conference, Apple CEO Steve Jobs said that the acquisition was meant to add the talent of P. A. Semi's engineers to Apple's workforce and help them build custom chips for the iPod, iPhone, and other future mobile devices.[8] P.A. Semi chip technology is also used by the iPad.[9] P.A. Semi has said that they are willing to supply their PWRficient PA6T-1682M chip on an end-of-life basis, if the Power Architecture license that P.A. Semi holds from IBM can be transferred to the acquiring company.[10]

Anddddddddddd, regarding the A4...

The Apple A4 is a package on package (PoP) system-on-a-chip (SoC) designed by Apple and manufactured by Samsung.[2] It combines an ARM Cortex-A8 CPU with a PowerVR GPU, and emphasizes power efficiency.[3] The chip commercially debuted with the release of Apple's iPad tablet;[4] followed shortly by the iPhone 4 smartphone,[5] the 4th generation iPod Touch and the 2nd generation Apple TV. It was superseded in the second-generation iPad, released the following year, by the Apple A5 processor.


RE: Meh
By weskurtz0081 on 10/5/2011 9:02:39 AM , Rating: 2
So, what you are saying is, they bought a company that could combine two existing technologies for them? While PA Semi DID technically design it, it wasn't anything close to a ground up job, it was just adding 2+2 to get 4.


RE: Meh
By Gurthang on 10/5/2011 8:51:11 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry, Microsft did invent DirectX.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX

What you may be confused by is that DirectX was an attempt to make it easier for developers to write games in Windows which prior to DirectX was the exception rather than the norm. And since it is an attempt to work with both the hardware vendors and game designers to create an API they will support in Windows it's design borrows ideas from many other third-party APIs which Microsoft's customers like.

As to Apple whatever their CPUs seem to be fairly good designs though not necessarily better than any other ARM cores in the same generation. Their GPUs again are nice but mostly tech licensed from other vendors. Apple just likes to make the CPUs themselves for now. I suspect this will continue until some other company leapfrogs them with some new design.

As to the Sirii voice system *yawn* is it better than Google Voice, WP7's implementation, or half a dozen other third party solutions time will tell. But the claim that it needs that A5 processor to work is complete bunk or really bad design on their part. It is really just a means to make the iPhone 4s aritficially more attractive to people who already have iPhones. You could easily let the hardware to the pheonitic breakdown and send the context and phenome probabilities to a natural language processor in the cloud.


RE: Meh
By theapparition on 10/5/2011 11:43:30 AM , Rating: 2
That's what you get for reading wikipedia.

MS did not in-house invent DirectX. They bought a company who architected it. MS did buy them before the first release, so articles incorrectly state that MS developed it.


RE: Meh
By Reclaimer77 on 10/4/2011 4:07:47 PM , Rating: 2
What does Siri have to do with this phone? That's just software. They're trying to make it seem like an 4S exclusive, but whatever, two days after launch someone will jailbreak the phone anyway.

Ugh ANOTHER reason I'll never own an iPhone. The fact that you have to jailbreak it to install so much desirable software is a dealbreaker to me.


RE: Meh
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 4:10:46 PM , Rating: 2
That is my point. Siri is the best they have to offer with this phone and it really is not much in terms of voice commands. It's a little more advance then the voice commands i have seen but I have not see all of them. But when that is your only competing point right now its not looking for for 4S


RE: Meh
By Pirks on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By Reclaimer77 on 10/4/2011 4:30:48 PM , Rating: 2
I got your point man, it's a good one and I agree with it :)


RE: Meh
By Autisticgramma on 10/4/2011 4:20:15 PM , Rating: 5
Every feature on display today at apple's party is already on an android.

I'm not sure why your phone should do greeting cards. If it could pour a greeting shot of booze would be infinity more useful, and finally worth the price.

Additionally, a presentation is all talk, their actions have spoken louder than "Siri" ever could, Thanks.


RE: Meh
By Pirks on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By ihateu3 on 10/5/2011 4:06:40 PM , Rating: 2
Again, Google voice actions, been using it for years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGbYVvU0Z5s


RE: Meh
By xti on 10/4/2011 7:22:37 PM , Rating: 2
worth the price? implying that phones are expensive?

hope not.


RE: Meh
By ihateu3 on 10/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: Meh
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: Meh
By Reclaimer77 on 10/4/2011 2:54:00 PM , Rating: 5
Pirks are you like 12? Only a moron would call a GS2 a "junkphone".

Enjoy that GPU on that tiny inferior screen :)


RE: Meh
By Pirks on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By Reclaimer77 on 10/4/2011 3:40:35 PM , Rating: 4
Once again showing what an idiot you are. A pixel is not a pixel is not a pixel. SAMOLED doesn't have a set number of R,B,G subpixels as other technologies. Maybe you should read up on screen technology so you don't sound like a moron. PPI is NOT everything, especially when coupled with a tiny screen.

Take your stupid arguments, your smiley faces, and ignorant trolling and go fuck yourself with them Pirks.


RE: Meh
By Pirks on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/4/2011 4:09:44 PM , Rating: 3
RE: Meh
By Pirks on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By VahnTitrio on 10/4/2011 5:19:14 PM , Rating: 1
Phones with 1280x720 resolution have already been announced in Korea (one of them is the GS2), and are only a few weeks from being seen here in the US...


RE: Meh
By coldpower27 on 10/4/2011 6:48:32 PM , Rating: 2
Here's hoping the West get a fast release of the Samsung devices, look how long it took for the Galaxy S II to finally arrive here...

Higher resolution screen is great and all...but we need more powerful GPU hardware to run alongside it...the GPU Mail-400MP4 is about 1/2 the PowerVR SGX543MP2 and that only drives a 1024x768 screen...

Until we get the Exynos 4212 with a GPU bump as well 720p seems a bit excessive...


RE: Meh
By HrilL on 10/4/2011 3:23:42 PM , Rating: 3
Looks like the Galaxy S II still has a better CPU and GPU. No Mention on the CPU speed or amound of RAM that I can find yet. Looks like the iPhone 4S is too little too late. Top Android phones will always be better than an iPhone. having a 4" screen is also a big advantage. Plus if Dailytech has the modem spec correct then the Galaxy S II's HSPA+ modem is faster at 21Mbps comared to 14Mbps. The T-Moble one will support 42Mbps as well. Where's Apple's inovation now? (Not that they ever actually had any)


RE: Meh
By Reclaimer77 on 10/4/2011 3:44:22 PM , Rating: 1
True. And don't forget the Galaxy S II HD LTE has already been announced. A true 720P smartphone. Even though I'm not crazy about it having a pentile layout, that's still more impressive than anything the iPhone 4S brings to the table.

This is all no surprise though. When has Apple ever in their history been able to stay ahead of the technology curve?


RE: Meh
By Da W on 10/4/2011 3:49:26 PM , Rating: 2
What will you do with all that hardware? Developpers can't make apps that only use top-end hardware or they will lose all potential customers with inferior phones and then all the 500000+apps and counting mumbo jumbo will be for nothing. Then, by extention, having the top powerful super-duper hardware means nothing as you will not use it to its full extent.

I think Microsoft got it right. Stick to single core this year cause we need no more.


RE: Meh
By Pirks on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By Reclaimer77 on 10/4/2011 4:03:27 PM , Rating: 2
Short sighted.


RE: Meh
By rhangman on 10/4/2011 3:18:09 PM , Rating: 2
Nexus Prime is supposed to have a 720p display. So bigger screen + over 320ppi. So it is possible. Apple could have done it if they wanted.


RE: Meh
By 91TTZ on 10/5/2011 10:23:20 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The only thing the Retina has over SAMOLED Plus right now is pixel density, and that goes away with a bigger sized screen.


The retina display doesn't just have greater pixel density, it also has greater pixel count. Even if the retina display was the same size as the SAMOLED screen it would have a higher resolution because there are more pixels.

The info I've found says that the retina display is 640x960 while the SAMOLED screen is 480x800.


RE: Meh
By Ushio01 on 10/4/2011 2:36:01 PM , Rating: 3
It's still a 3.5" screen and the reason for that is all the "retina display" marketing about high ppi is best.

Increase the screen size and you have to either increase screen resolution or lose ppi which Apple won't do as it would no longer be a "retina display" you would have to increase screen resoluton. Since for easy app scaling you double the screen resolution Apple would need access to 1920x1280 screens which I don't believe exist it was never going to happen.


RE: Meh
By TheRequiem on 10/4/2011 2:44:03 PM , Rating: 5
I am significantly underwhelmed myself, I will not be getting an iPhone 4s, come on... they made us wait this long for a mediocre upgrade? Where is the iPhone 5 with a larger screen?? I don't see this being successful, and I don't see me being the only one dissapointed by this.


RE: Meh
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 2:46:51 PM , Rating: 2
Tony and Pirks won't be though :D


RE: Meh
By Pirks on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 3:30:15 PM , Rating: 3
I will agree with you on Siri being the only really innovative thing here. But I do think Siri should wait for its judgement because tech demos vs real world experience are very different.


RE: Meh
By Pirks on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 4:06:09 PM , Rating: 2
The reason I am not worried is cause it was not developed by Apple :D lol


RE: Meh
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 10/4/2011 6:58:49 PM , Rating: 2
Well speaking of buggy unfinished products I do believe it was not to long ago that Apple released MobileMe which was a complete failure. Granted they were able to fire most of the team that worked on it and patch it into good working order within a few months but it stands as one of those "Oh Shit" moments that Apple has had over the years.

Your stance that they don't release buggy unusable products may be correct, but they don't seem to have the same uh quality control on the software services side.


RE: Meh
By Onimuto on 10/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: Meh
By Flunk on 10/4/2011 2:48:57 PM , Rating: 3
If you really want a big screen look up the HTC Titan, it's 4.7" I believe.


RE: Meh
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/4/2011 6:46:36 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Meh
By coldpower27 on 10/4/2011 6:54:27 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah nice though we're getting into the ridiculously large territory for a phone...

I rather stick with something between 4.5-5.0 plus 720p...


RE: Meh
By kmmatney on 10/4/2011 2:54:58 PM , Rating: 2
Same here. My 3GS 2-year contract has expired, so I'm free to upgrade. I was really hoping for a 4" screen. I just bought my son an iPod touch, though, and I have to say the retina display is pretty awesome (even taking into account the iPod touch screen is not as good as the iPhone screen, its still very impressive). My main issue is battery life, though, especially when the phone is idle. I can get 2-3 days from the 3GS if I use it sparingly, which I often do when I travel. A phone that needs charging everyday, even when its not being used, will not work for me.


RE: Meh
By darkhawk1980 on 10/4/2011 2:23:26 PM , Rating: 1
That's the really sad part. "All new A5"? Seriously? It's probably the same processor as whats in the Ipad 2, but not clocked as high. Big deal. It'll be just as slow as the Ipad 2 was, if not more so.

Bring on the Droid onslaught. There's many competing products due out before the end of the year that will blow this out of the water. And the best part? They aren't fruity.

PS Infinity Blade 2? Is that really all you could come up with? It's not really that great....in fact, it's quite boring. It's a mobile device, until someone adds buttons on the back of the phone so we don't have to put our fingers in front of our screens and miss what we're doing, there's no point to games with that much 3D.


RE: Meh
By ltcommanderdata on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
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By kookyMooky on 10/4/11, Rating: 0
RE: Meh
By Ushio01 on 10/4/2011 3:09:47 PM , Rating: 2
Er that's the CPU, the GPU in the iphone4S/ipad2 is the fastest GPU in a tablet/phone.


RE: Meh
By ChronoReverse on 10/4/2011 3:11:12 PM , Rating: 1
The GPU is not the CPU.

The ipad2 GPU is by far the fastest GPU on the market for mobile.


RE: Meh
By dark matter on 10/4/2011 3:17:42 PM , Rating: 2
an iPad is not a mobile...


RE: Meh
By ChronoReverse on 10/4/2011 4:04:25 PM , Rating: 1
It's not a mobile phone but it's certainly a mobile device as a tablet.


RE: Meh
By dark matter on 10/4/2011 6:00:41 PM , Rating: 1
Oh come on please. If were going down that route there are laptops that piss all over the GPU in the iPad.


RE: Meh
By ChronoReverse on 10/4/2011 6:30:52 PM , Rating: 2
Whatever, if you're going to be all pissy about it.

The iPhone 4S will have the half-size version of the same GPU. Considering the iPad2 according Anandtech actually does achieve 9x the next fastest GPU, this will be the fastest SMARTPHONE GPU available anyway.


RE: Meh
By Solandri on 10/4/2011 10:57:19 PM , Rating: 2
The iPad 2's GPU isn't 9x faster than the next fastest tablet. Anandtech's latest benchmark shows about 1.9x faster at GLBench Egypt and 1.5x faster at GLBench Pro. And that's with the Android devices being handicapped with a higher resolution. If you normalize for the difference in pixels (1280x800 vs 1024x768), the iPad 2 ends up only 1.4x faster at Egypt and 1.1x faster at Pro. Well on pace to be eclipsed by Kal El in the next few months.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4605/samsung-galaxy-...


RE: Meh
By ltcommanderdata on 10/5/2011 2:28:38 AM , Rating: 2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4760/arms-mali400-mp...

You aren't looking at Anand's latest benchmarks. GLBenchmark 2.1 offscreen renders all GPUs to 720p so results between different devices are directly comparable. The iPad 2's A5 is 4 times faster than the Tegra 2 and 2 times faster than the Galaxy S 2's Mali-400 MP4. The iPhone 4S's A5 may be downclocked, but not likely by 50%. The iPhone 4S therefore looks to be comfortably the fastest smartphone GPU. Given Kal-El only has 50% more shaders than Tegra 2, it doesn't seem likely that Kal-El can overcome the A5's 4 times difference over the Tegra 2.


RE: Meh
By dark matter on 10/4/2011 6:00:41 PM , Rating: 2
Oh come on please. If were going down that route there are laptops that piss all over the GPU in the iPad.


RE: Meh
By dark matter on 10/4/2011 6:00:52 PM , Rating: 2
Oh come on please. If were going down that route there are laptops that piss all over the GPU in the iPad.


RE: Meh
By theapparition on 10/4/2011 3:20:04 PM , Rating: 2
Not CPU.....GPU.

The heart of these devices are the SoC, or System on Chip. It comprises a CPU, GPU and other chips such as imaging, audio, and possibly even radios.

Apple is using thier own SoC (through acquisition), the A5, which was (ironically) initially designed by Samsung. On it, it uses the SGX543MP2 GPU. The CPU is Arm Cortex A9 based.

Currently, processors like the Texas Instruments OMAP 4430 use the SGX540 GPU, which isn't as fast. So as much as it pains me to say, I'll have to agree that it's probably the fastest GPU in a smartphone right now. However, with Apple underclocking the A5, and signifigatnly faster clocked processors such as the OMAP 4460, I highly doubt there will be that much of a performance difference. Plus with Exynos 4212 around the corner, who knows what the future will look like regarding mobile performance.


RE: Meh
By Pirks on 10/4/2011 3:38:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
it's probably the fastest GPU in a smartphone right now
is it faster than the GPU in Galaxy S II?


RE: Meh
By ltcommanderdata on 10/4/2011 4:56:25 PM , Rating: 2
Most likely yes. The iPad 2 A5 SGX543MP2 is 2x faster than the Mali-400 in the Galaxy S II. The iPhone SoC is underclocked compared to the iPad's but not likely by half. I believe it's generally thought the iPad's A4 SGX535 was clocked at 250MHz vs. 200MHz for the iPhone 4 A4 or something along that ratio. We're probably looking at something similar in ratio for the iPhone 4S, which would still make the A5 plenty fast compared to the current competition.


RE: Meh
By theapparition on 10/4/2011 3:45:31 PM , Rating: 2
And to add, the faster GPU can also be detramental, if it isn't able to go into a very low power state. The iPad2 has a much bigger battery, so it can afford the extra power draw. The iPhone however, may have poor battery life because of this.

Perhaps why Texas Instruments skipped the SGX543 and are integrating the SGX544 into the OMAP 4470, since the SGX544 is a power reduced die shrinked version and has better power management.

Just something else to think about.


RE: Meh
By ltcommanderdata on 10/4/2011 4:21:07 PM , Rating: 2
Apple A5 vs OMAP 4470 will be close on the GPU front since the A5 uses a dual core SGX543MP2, while the 4470 uses a single core SGX544 at what looks like double the clock speed. My understanding is that the SGX544 is not inherently faster than the SGX543, it just has extra transistors for DX9 complaince with isn't of much use for OpenGL ES 2.0. It'll be down to clock speed.

Apple's specs for the iPhone 4S lists basically identical battery life to the iPhone 4, the only differences being 1 hr more 3G talk time and 1 hr less WiFi internet, probably more due to support chips than the SoC. Going with the A5 over the A4 hasn't negatively effected battery life so power isn't a concern anyways.


RE: Meh
By Solandri on 10/4/2011 11:11:24 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty critical of Apple hardware, but there are few things which they consider Holy: display quality, UI responsiveness, and battery life are among them.

If the GPU was sucking up too much battery, Apple is one of the few companies I expect would assign a team of engineers to fix it, and not release until it was fixed. Most other companies would just say, "meh, nobody is gonna miss an hour of battery life, ship it"; but not Apple. In Anandtech's reviews of the previous generation Macbook Pro, he discovered Apple disabled TurboBoost just so they could advertise decent battery life. It is that important to them.


RE: Meh
By Pirks on 10/5/2011 12:22:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
In Anandtech's reviews of the previous generation Macbook Pro, he discovered Apple disabled TurboBoost just so they could advertise decent battery life. It is that important to them.
Do not listen to this uneducated troll please!

This Anand's review clearly states that Apple did NOT disable TurboBoost:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4205/the-macbook-pro...

Do not listen to uneducated anti-Apple and anti-RIM trolls people, read the FACTS from the links I post. Thank you.


RE: Meh
By Da W on 10/4/2011 3:15:22 PM , Rating: 2
Actually MSI windpad W500 has a Brazos core and AMD (ATI) GPU which trounces anything else.


RE: Meh
By rhangman on 10/4/2011 3:23:35 PM , Rating: 2
TI's OMAP SoC's also use PowerVR GPU's though. Currently not the 543MP2, but they have I think a new SoC coming next year with the 544MP2. Competition isn't limited to just the Tegra 2.


RE: Meh
By ltcommanderdata on 10/4/2011 4:14:54 PM , Rating: 2
Yes. I should have been more precise. Tegra 3 seems like the next major SoC to come to market and I'm just indicating the A5 is prepared for that.

I believe the major feature of SGX544 over SGX543 is not more performance per clock, but more features, specifically DX9 compliance. Those extra features aren't part of he OpenGL ES 2.0 spec and would need to be exposed through custom extensions, which most likely means they won't be used. The OMAP5's SGX544 will be faster than the A5's SGX543 depending on the clock speed, but not due to architecture.


RE: Meh
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 2:25:17 PM , Rating: 2
Have to admit though I have not heard about anything as detailed as Siri, when it comes to voice commands. That is definitely some cool technology...to bad the company was just bought by Apple...


RE: Meh
By ScotterQX6700 on 10/4/2011 2:46:03 PM , Rating: 1
We've been able to do these things (voice commands for navigation, find information, add to calendar) on most Android phones for at least a year and a half now, maybe longer.


RE: Meh
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 2:48:30 PM , Rating: 2
Yes I know but not to the point where you tell it a simple sentence and it determines what to do and do it. Every voice command system I have seen thus far has been you have to give it specific commands for it to do the command.


RE: Meh
By lightfoot on 10/4/2011 3:07:13 PM , Rating: 2
A tech demo is not a real world scenario.

It will be interesting to see how well this works in the field.


RE: Meh
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 3:08:27 PM , Rating: 2
Totally agree if the real world holds true then it is indeed a step forward obviously you take a demo at face value.


RE: Meh
By Reclaimer77 on 10/4/2011 2:50:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
We've been able to do these things (voice commands for navigation, find information, add to calendar) on most Android phones for at least a year and a half now, maybe longer.


Oh but you don't understand, even though that works just fine, it "sucks" because Siri comes from Apple so it's automatically better.

You gotta understand the way these people think.


RE: Meh
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 2:58:04 PM , Rating: 2
Hey now I just thought it was cool technology..not because it came from Apple cause it doesn't Apple just bought the company that made it which makes me mad actually. I just like to see how the voice recognition software is taking a new step forward...I am actually very sad that Apple is releasing it though.


RE: Meh
By pxavierperez on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: Meh
By theapparition on 10/4/2011 3:36:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
you are pathetic. Really.


By pxavierperez on 10/4/2011 2:52:38 PM , Rating: 2

quote:
ah here comes the droidtard idiots trolling hard en masse.


Look in a mirror lately?


RE: Meh
By pxavierperez on 10/4/11, Rating: 0
RE: Meh
By theapparition on 10/4/2011 7:14:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
can you read what i the sentence i just wrote above?

No, I can't interperate what your trying to say.

I find it quite ironic with you attempting to call me illiterate, when you can't even compose a sentence properly.


RE: Meh
By Da W on 10/4/2011 3:51:17 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I take it you don't have a job and spend your days scrounging the web


I have a job but i still spend the day scrouonging the web anyway :-)
Gotta get away from the government.....


RE: Meh
By gorehound on 10/4/2011 2:33:25 PM , Rating: 1
I still only onw a dumb phone for calls only and will continue to not buy a smart phone until we see unlimited data plans that have a reasonable and easily affordable price.


As Expected
By Reclaimer77 on 10/4/2011 2:33:51 PM , Rating: 5
As expected this is nothing but an iPhone 4 refresh, not the vaunted world-killer iPhone "5" hype we've steadily been fed.

You had 15 months and this is the best you could do Apple? Where's all this "innovation" I keep hearing about? I mean innovation in technology, not your ability to innovate legal drama.




RE: As Expected
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 2:36:06 PM , Rating: 2
I think the only big innovation here is Siri which Apple didn't even do they bought the company that did it.


RE: As Expected
By lightfoot on 10/4/2011 2:48:28 PM , Rating: 5
Voice recog isn't a new feature, it's just an existing technology that never functions as well in the real world as it does in tech demos.

Apple totally underdelivered here.


RE: As Expected
By jiffylube1000 on 10/4/2011 2:51:30 PM , Rating: 3
Even Siri is basically just a competitor to Android's already existing Google Voice.

The A5 in the phone is a no brainer - it's a very competent CPU and GPU. I have no qualms with the A5 and 8MP camera in the iPhone 4S.
----------

We still don't know the form factor; what it will actually look like. Is it just the 4 or are there some changes? It looks like it will be either the same as the iPhone 4 or disappointingly similar. Apple's reliving the old Macintosh design problems (like in the G3 days) where they're the only game in town and the design is stagnating. While Android has moved to slimmer form factors with much larger screens, the iPhone 4S looks disappointingly similar. Even the iPod touch has gone through more design changes since its release compared to the iPhone!

Apple expects a 3.5" screen - the same as the original iPhone - to carry them through 2012? Really? It's a nice screen, but for anyone over 6' tall, anyone who has trouble reading large text, anyone with larger fingers, a 4"+ screen is really much better and easier to use.

I guess some of those of us thinking of getting the new iPhone will have to wait for the 5 (or take our business somewhere else).


RE: As Expected
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 2:54:11 PM , Rating: 2
Siri is competitor to Google Voice? Ummm Since when did Google Voice do voice commands and since when did Siri start making phone calls?


RE: As Expected
By theapparition on 10/4/2011 3:29:14 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure he meant Google Voice Commands.


RE: As Expected
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 3:51:55 PM , Rating: 2
Ok that would make sense. I don't own a smart phone so I have not heard about Google Voice Commands


RE: As Expected
By SkullOne on 10/4/2011 4:31:54 PM , Rating: 2
It's Google Voice Search actually and it already does much of what Siri can do.

Siri at this point is probably more advanced in some ways, but rumor is Google is upgrading Voice Search with Ice Cream Sandwich.


RE: As Expected
By Ushio01 on 10/4/2011 2:43:14 PM , Rating: 3
What exactly did you expect?

The iphone 3gs to iphone 4 added a higher resolution screen, doubled the ram, added front camera, increased the rear camera to 5MP and increased clocks on the same cpu and gpu plus new case.

The 4S upgrades the cpu to a superior dual core cortex 9 plus puts in the best mobile GPU available and increases the rear camera to 8MP with 1080p recording.

The iphone 4 to 4S is a more significant upgrade than the 3GS to 4 is.


RE: As Expected
By lightfoot on 10/4/2011 3:01:00 PM , Rating: 2
Not for Apple users who "don't care about clock speeds, megapixels and Gigabytes."

iPhone 4 with its front facing camera and facetime was MUCH bigger an upgrade than this incremental increase in the processor and GPU.

The Retina display was shiny. The dualcore A5 CPU isn't.

The formfactor was hardly changed so people won't even be able to tell the difference between the iPhone 4 and 4s.


RE: As Expected
By pxavierperez on 10/4/11, Rating: 0
RE: As Expected
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 2:59:04 PM , Rating: 2
and the apple fanbois doing the exact same. Nothing new here move along


RE: As Expected
By pxavierperez on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: As Expected
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 3:21:15 PM , Rating: 2
Cause whenever anything good for Google or Microsoft happens apple fanbois like Tony Swash and Pirks don't do the exact same thing. android fans and apple fans are the exact same just different obsession.


RE: As Expected
By pxavierperez on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: As Expected
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 3:52:36 PM , Rating: 2
Umm yes they do hence why I made my post.


RE: As Expected
By TakinYourPoints on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
Apple really f….d this one up
By Tony Swash on 10/4/2011 6:10:53 PM , Rating: 1
Apple really f….d this one up

They are going to go from having the best selling handset on the planet to having ………eh………the best selling handset on the planet.

It's pretty clear that Apple are taking a similar 'tick, tock' approach to hardware as Intel does with chips. So, other than immediately following the initial product launch, one would expect a big redesign to get a numeral upgrade, a year later you get a consolidation and parts upgrade (the 's' models), and then the cycle repeats itself. So iPhone 3 (launch model), iPhone 3g, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iPhone 4s, next year presumably iPhone 5, followed a year later by the iPhone 5s. At some point the usefulness of hardware upgrades will become more marginal and the value of the whole integrated value stack becomes the pivotal market differentiator (hence the significance of iCloud and Siri for example).

The only complication to that the cycle this year was the move from the previous June launches to an autumn launch. That may have been to do with the need to polish the latest iteration of iOS, get the iCloud infrastructure fully functional or to get Siri ready - or all three. It could also have a lot to do with simply restructuring the pre-holiday season launch event around what will be the biggest holiday product line, that used to be iPods and is now iPhones.

Thankfully Apple avoided the silly eye candy stuff like bigger displays/form factors (who wants something bigger to carry?) and hopefully next year we will get a lighter, thinner, model (Apple currently has the thinnest phone so not much pressure to rush the development cycle on that).

Mostly people seem to missing the point on Siri as it is being treated by many as some sort of voice recognition software when it is in fact the first generation of a whole new AI for devices. When people look back that this years launch it will be Siri that will be remembered as the milestone.

Apple seems to have set itself up for continuing growth in the next year and I would not be surprised to see a similar annual doubling in sales as has happened over the last couple of years. In the holiday quarter in 2012 Apple will be selling 60 million plus handsets and 25 million iPads and close to a 100 million iOS devices a quarter. Nice.




RE: Apple really f….d this one up
By Pirks on 10/4/2011 6:37:46 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
who wants something bigger to carry?
Reclaimer77
quote:
Apple currently has the thinnest phone
http://blog.gsmarena.com/the-iphone-4s-faces-its-a...

Galaxy S II is thinner and lighter than iPhone 4S, with a bigger screen to boot.

Oops, caught Tony lying again... sorry Tony :))) Please check your facts next time before posting, thank you!


RE: Apple really f….d this one up
By Tony Swash on 10/4/11, Rating: -1
By themaster08 on 10/5/2011 3:08:07 AM , Rating: 1
Clearly, your absolute love for Apple has unfortunately allowed you to miss out on the pleasure of using a screen as large and confortable to view and use as the SGS2.


RE: Apple really f….d this one up
By Pirks on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: Apple really f….d this one up
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/5/2011 4:16:22 PM , Rating: 1
Hey, look, who gives a fuck? Oh, that's right, no one. You and Tony are about the 2 biggest jokes on this site.


RE: Apple really f….d this one up
By Pirks on 10/5/2011 4:44:35 PM , Rating: 1
look who's stinking! the cheesy clown is back! dance some more for me, the "Microsoft SPLITTED by government" idiot hahaha :)))


By robinthakur on 10/4/2011 7:50:19 PM , Rating: 2
Yer I agree on Siri, I was watching the presentation of it and got tingles that this is one of those elusive technologies which is nearing perfection. The natural progression of which is that you no longer have to hold down the button to make Siri realise you are talking to it. Those citing existing voice recognition software don't appear to understand the quantum leap this is over them. The other updates kept the iPhone competitive, but the real meat is in iOS5 which make the experience smoother and more inegrated than that offered by android. That the hardware can now keep up with the software finally is a great advance, but is hard to quantify in a presentation,


RE: Apple really f….d this one up
By EasyC on 10/5/2011 9:39:31 AM , Rating: 3
How did Tony get a 5....on an Apple article no less?
*goes to start hoarding food and water in his nuclear war bunker*


Slavishly copying Samsung's Galaxy S?
By kookyMooky on 10/4/2011 2:58:18 PM , Rating: 1
If Samsung were to follow Apple's strategy of litigation it would sue Apple for copying the "S" from it's Galaxy S line of smart phones. Exhibit A: Ipone 4 S




RE: Slavishly copying Samsung's Galaxy S?
By cjohnson2136 on 10/4/2011 3:00:54 PM , Rating: 3
exhibit B iPhone 3G S


By erple2 on 10/5/2011 1:09:13 AM , Rating: 2
It's become apparent that "prior art" doesn't matter anymore in Patent Litigation..


By SpaceJumper on 10/5/2011 7:33:19 AM , Rating: 2
Exhibit C: Samsung F700


Objective opinion without trolling
By Da W on 10/4/2011 3:45:50 PM , Rating: 5
Today i saw:
-Disapointing harware refresh that doesn't move over what the top android handsets have to offer.
-iOS update that actually take a lot of ideas from windows phone (notification, camera roll, cloud syncing of pictures, game hub à la Xbox live...). I though it was funny catching up to a dead phone.
-iCloud offering barely catch up with Microsoft/Google offerings. I actually prefer microsoft's one just because of office document syncing.
-iMatch which looks like all your 256kbps ACC files will reside and stay in the cloud as long as you pay 25$ a month and you will lose them after. Although they don't say it outright. Thinking of my new zune music pass which can give me new music i don't currently own, synced on my hard drive, for a little more...
-Siri, voice recognition, which Microsoft worked hard on for a decade and they and Google already integrate everywhere. Now Apple just takes dragon naturally speaking which sends requests to Wolfram alpha and call it revolutionary. I agree they are both quality products, but anybody else could have done the same.

Me thinks there's not much more we can invent on the cell phone market. A phone is a phone is a phone, the market is getting mature. It will, again, all come down to exclusive software available that will separate an ecosystem from another. The war now moves on to tablets.




By aharris02 on 10/4/2011 4:33:44 PM , Rating: 3
Minor Correction: iMatch = $25/yr, not month.


Boooriiing
By Booster on 10/4/2011 3:12:18 PM , Rating: 2
Just recently two of my friends have switched from iPhones to Android because they got sick of the same UI over the past 4+ years. Think of it, from immediate user perspective this new 4S gizmo isn't much different from the original iPhone. All the icons look the same etc., there is still only one button in the center and so on. And of course still no message led and no way of being notified about missed events except for the dorky only 10 times at 2 minute intervals repeating alerts in iOS 5. These guys seem to fail to innovate and people are getting sick of the one and only iPhone.

Not that Android is so much better. Actually it's extremely difficult to find a nicely built Android handset if you don't go for the top of the line for big bucks, but who the hell would want to spend that much on a gadget?




RE: Boooriiing
By coldpower27 on 10/4/2011 10:16:46 PM , Rating: 2
Well like everything in the tech world there is a premium for the best...

In Canada you can get the Galaxy S II for as low as $25 though on a 3 Year Voice+Data Agreement. Non Renewal...


RE: Boooriiing
By SpaceJumper on 10/5/2011 7:39:14 AM , Rating: 2
Same reason for me too. Android 2.3.3 is the best right now.


Speaking of Siri
By Iaiken on 10/4/2011 5:49:59 PM , Rating: 2
Apple has officially pulled Siri from the app store:

http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/04/the-original-siri...

Because Siri functionality is exclusive to the iPhone 4GS:

http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/sorry-iphone-4...

Developers have confirmed this on the iOS5 seed that was released today.

Basically Apple is saying:

"Check out this great new feature on our new phone! To get you to buy our new phone, we're making this great old feature will stop working on everything that isn't our new phone. You should buy our new phone!"

Personally, I don't even know what to say to this...




RE: Speaking of Siri
By lemonadesoda on 10/4/2011 6:03:17 PM , Rating: 2
Shocking. Situations like this make us see how imprisoned we are with Apple's proprietary fascist-like control over the app-store and software distribution.


RE: Speaking of Siri
By SlickRoenick on 10/5/2011 8:26:27 AM , Rating: 2
What would happen if a griefer used Siri and said "Delete all contacts," or something like that?


iPad nano ???
By jemix on 10/4/2011 2:30:08 PM , Rating: 2
Can't wait to see it!




RE: iPad nano ???
By SpaceJumper on 10/5/2011 7:35:15 AM , Rating: 2
You will get less for the same price.


APPL: Sell...
By dark matter on 10/4/2011 3:12:29 PM , Rating: 4
Because a company as overvalued as Apple HAS to keep delivering the goods. And these ARE NOT the goods people are looking for.

All what Apple have done is upped the hardware to match those of Android manufacturers.

This is NOT innovation, and certainly not enough to keep people happy NOR their share price so high...

Now if they spent a tenth of the money on R&D has they have done of lawyers suing everyone, we might have had the iPhone 5...

Apple stock: Sell.




One More Thing
By lightfoot on 10/4/2011 3:13:21 PM , Rating: 4
Steve Jobs = "One More Thing"

Without that "One More Thing" Apple is just another tech company.

It was glaringly missing from today's event.




Cook should be fired
By W00dmann on 10/4/2011 3:45:47 PM , Rating: 3
As an iPhone user, I am beyond pissed at apple right now. They released an iPhone 4 with updated guts. Ooo la la, thank you ever so much. And what the motherf**k have they been doing over the past 14 months, exactly?  More than ample time to come up with something new, but no, let's go with the old stuff.  

This is a huge slap in the face to existing and prospective customers. They are basically saying, "if it was good enough for you a year ago, it's good enough for you now, so take it or leave it, we don't care". Of course, the iPhone 4 is an awesome phone and sells incredibly well, and Apple is in the business of making money so that's their choice to reuse the design. They certainly don't need my advice. But honestly, how the f**k do they expect the market to take this news?  14 months later, and no new design from one of the coolest tech companies on the planet?  Really, Apple?!

Unacceptable, untenable, and just flat out lazy. I predict their smartphone marketshare will drop to 20% before they deign to grace us with a new design a year from now.  They deserve it.  




RE: Cook should be fired
By TakinYourPoints on 10/4/2011 5:31:39 PM , Rating: 1
A shiny new case would have made you happy?

It is one of the fastest smartphones out there with a GPU that blows past anything else on the market, has 8 hours of talk time instead of the 3 hours you get one something like a Galaxy II, and you're mad because the cosmetics weren't changed?

I'm not upgrading because I don't need to, but I also recognize that it's a good spec bump. Sorry but I don't understand.


Nooo
By voodoochile123 on 10/5/2011 2:47:24 AM , Rating: 1
All you iphone naysayers are just jealous that you don't have one or can't afford one. The fact is, they are the best, and you all know it. Or at least, you SHOULD know it because the features speak for themselves.

I can imagine there perhaps being a better option for some users with special requirements maybe, but for the average person, nothing beats an iPhone. I don't even know how you can compare other phones to it. The camera takes unbelievable pictures and videos, there are thousands of games including big and good ones like Final Fantasy, World of Goo, Plants vs Zombies, etc. it is great for music seeing as it basically has an iPod included within it, it plays movies perfectly and they look HD standard, the UI is unbeatable, texts are handled brilliantly, they have a lot of space, it looks good and is incredibly thin, it's got a standard headphone jack, hmm what else? What else could you possible want?

I could have any phone on the market, but nothing seems as good. Unlike how you little 9 year old morons think, the average person is not a "Fanboy" or "Hater". They just buy whatever is best for them. I have no interest in Apple at all. If a better phone comes along I will happily ditch this one and get that. But last time I looked, the nearest competition was stuff like the HTC Desire, and they just don't compete. You can't see the screen in sunlight for a start, and they are just inferior in almost every way.




RE: Nooo
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: Nooo
By DeluxeTea on 10/5/2011 3:36:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
All you iphone naysayers are just jealous that you don't have one or can't afford one. The fact is, they are the best, and you all know it. Or at least, you SHOULD know it because the features speak for themselves.

I can imagine there perhaps being a better option for some users with special requirements maybe, but for the average person, nothing beats an iPhone. I don't even know how you can compare other phones to it. The camera takes unbelievable pictures and videos, there are thousands of games including big and good ones like Final Fantasy, World of Goo, Plants vs Zombies, etc. it is great for music seeing as it basically has an iPod included within it, it plays movies perfectly and they look HD standard, the UI is unbeatable, texts are handled brilliantly, they have a lot of space, it looks good and is incredibly thin, it's got a standard headphone jack, hmm what else? What else could you possible want?
quote:
I have no interest in Apple at all.

Yep, you do sound like someone who has "no interest in Apple at all".


RE: Nooo
By voodoochile123 on 11/24/2011 3:28:17 AM , Rating: 1
I don't you asshole. I like their phone, I dislike their company. As soon as a better phone comes along I will buy it, (samsung galaxy s2 maybe), and I don't care who makes it. I think you morons need to realise that most people in the world are not like you guys, we don't have a mental age of about 9. The average 'grown up' doesn't care about brands when it comes to something like a phone. They care about price, and how well it does the things they want. Anyone who cares about other pointless stuff (like brand etc) over those two things, is just stupid.


By ltcommanderdata on 10/4/2011 2:29:43 PM , Rating: 3
The event is still going on, but Siri voice assist looks to be the bigger news compared to the specs for the iPhone 4S. Personally, I think I'd be a bit shy to talk to me phone all the time in public, but it definitely looks like impressive tech.




Collar!!!!!111!!
By Autisticgramma on 10/4/2011 4:15:12 PM , Rating: 3
OMG no turtle neck! Its the beginning of the end, Apple, I can't recognize ye.

If you have any stock, fling-I mean, sell it now.




haha
By sprockkets on 10/4/2011 2:49:20 PM , Rating: 2
No RDF was present to keep fooling people into waiting for this phone.

Apple is dead.

Cue the Tony Swash "Apple is doomed" meme please.




No NFC?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 10/4/2011 2:55:14 PM , Rating: 2
No NFC either it appears...




But have they made a phone yet?
By Aloonatic on 10/4/2011 5:01:25 PM , Rating: 2
All the cores in the world, and fastest mobile GPUs that are available don't matter when the i Phone can't make clear phone calls, that aren't irritating to listen to.

Yet again today I was talking to a customer who was calling from his iPhone and I was struggling to make out what the flip he was going on about. He didn't have to tell me that it was an iPhone, I'd already guessed due to the atrocious call quality but, of course, he had to tell me that he was calling from his iPhone before the end of the call.

It's a shame. I'm going off Android (for reason's I've bored you all with enough already) but this call quality issue is the main (but not only) reason why I'm not going to go Apple, unless this iteration has resolved this incredibly basic issue.

Fingers crossed that this version of the iPhone actually works as a phone.




By rubbahbandman on 10/4/2011 5:27:20 PM , Rating: 2
I was ready to plunk down and get an iphone 5. I guess it's not going to happen...
Time to research the latest and greatest androids, but I have to say, what's the deal with displays >4.3", I'd rather have something thin and sleek than a huge brick.




Dull
By lemonadesoda on 10/4/2011 6:00:25 PM , Rating: 2
I just saw the keynote on apple.com. This new CEO whateverhisnameis is seriously dull, boring, slow and uninteresting. So bad in fact, he makes Balmer look like a superstar. So bad in fact, that not only will Apple lose "brand image" but they will lose talent. Because good talent isn't going to stick around with this guy running the show. I've seen more interesting more charismatic tax accountants! I'm shorting the stock. Watch apple collapse.




Wow....
By petrosy on 10/4/2011 7:15:33 PM , Rating: 2
A dual core , cloud enabled device.......

There's a phone for that! its called Samsung Galaxy S2.

Comeback when the iPhone5 is out hopefully Apple has met the bar and maybe raised it.




By JimboK29 on 10/4/2011 9:59:52 PM , Rating: 2
Threatcore picked up on this quote in an AP report:

No-show of innovation leaves speculation of yet ANOTHER model...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_APPLE?SI...

Could Apple be playing everyone????




Same old same old.almost
By DailyRMP on 10/5/2011 4:04:45 AM , Rating: 2
I am very disappointed with the Iphone4S! , Hoping for something that could overcome, crush competition, and they come with a smaller Ipad2!
They appear with a Smartphone that competition is already equivalent for about 6 months?! Apple is losing its fire?
I think now they have extended a red carpet for Android.
Apple ... beware.
Very disappointed!




Steve dead
By solarrocker on 10/5/2011 7:53:29 PM , Rating: 2
Seems Steve jobs died.




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