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Apple Mac mini  (Source: Apple)

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Apple iMac  (Source: Apple)
Apple has unveiled new Mac models including the long rumored updated Mac Mini

Rumors typically start swirling about new Apple products well before the official announcement of the products. For a long time now, rumors have been bandied about that claim Apple was getting ready to launch new computer systems, including a revision to the Mac mini.

Apple has finally made the products official with announcements today that three new updated products are now available. Among the new products to receive updates is the aforementioned Mac mini. The new mini features NVIDIA graphics with the GeForce 9400M GPU that is now inside the new MacBook notebooks. Apple says that the graphics performance is now five times greater with the NVIDIA GPU than it was when Intel supplied the graphics for the machine.

Graphics aren’t the only thing that was updated in the mini. Buyers can now get up to 320GB of storage and a 120GB HDD is standard. Machines can be optioned with up to 4GB of RAM as well. Apple says the mini is the world's most energy efficient desktop computer with power consumption under 13 watts at idle; that’s 45% less power than previous generations required. The back panel has five USB ports, Gigabit Ethernet, Mini DVI port, FireWire 800 port and a Mini Display Port.

The CPU used in the mini is the Intel Core 2 Duo running at 2GHz with a 1066MHz FSB. Inside the small 6.5-inch square is also 802.11n wireless networking and Bluetooth is built-in. A slot-loading SuperDrive is standard on all minis that allows burning of CDs and DVDs. iLife 09 and Mac OS X Leopard are standard on the machine as well. The new mini starts at $599.

Apple also announced updates to the Mac Pro line adding quad-core Nehalem-based Xeon processors to the mix. Apple claims that the new processor makes the Pro up to 1.9 times faster than the old model. The integrated memory controller allows the Pro to use DDR3 RAM at 1066MHz for a 2.4 times increase in memory bandwidth.

Turbo Boost is a new feature on the Mac Pro that allows the user to boost the clock speed of the CPU with a button press based on their workload. The feature turns off cores of the CPU that aren’t being used to save power and increases the speed on the active cores up to 3.33GHz on a 2.93GHz CPU. The machines have options for AMD and NVIDIA GPUs. A base quad-core machine starts at $2,499 with a dual processor machine starting at $3,299.

The Apple iMac all-in-one line was updated with price cuts that make the 24-inch model cost about what the 20-inch version retailed for before. The 24-inch iMac now sells for $1,499. The machine uses NVIDIA 9400M graphics providing a resolution of 1680 x 1050 on the 20-inch iMac and 1920 x 1200 on the 24-inch iMac. The machines are built using recyclable glass and aluminum. The machines are also free of harmful toxins like BFRs and PVC plus the systems meets Energy Star 5.0 and EPEAT Gold requirements.

CPUs for the machines include the Core 2 Duo at 2.66GHz with an option to add the Core 2 Duo at up to 3.06GHz. The 24-inch iMac now gets 4GB of RAM standard and 640GB of standard storage space with an option for up to 1TB of storage. The 3.06 GHz version automatically gets 1TB of storage and all iMac models can use up to 8GB of RAM. The 20-inch iMac starts at $1199.

Apple also recently announced the release of its Safari 4 web browser.



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iRape
By chmilz on 3/3/2009 11:42:21 AM , Rating: 5
Worst. Deals. Ever.




RE: iRape
By Doormat on 3/3/2009 11:53:47 AM , Rating: 5
I'm an Apple user and somewhat of a kool-aid drinker, and I think the Mac Pros are ridiculously overpriced. Apple probably has a $1000 margin per machine. Previously, with the 2.8Ghz octo pros, each CPU was $800 and they were selling a 2 socket box for $2800 (with $1600 worth of CPUs inside).

The new Mac Pro (single socket) is $2500, with a $273 CPU inside. Even if you figure the mobo and other parts add up to $1100, that means the case and OSX are worth $1100. Unlikely.

We'll see what happens, maybe when Dell and HP release their comparable machines and charge $1000 less for them, we will know what kind of ripoff Apple is pushing.


RE: iRape
By skaaman on 3/3/2009 12:07:31 PM , Rating: 5
I think you are overlooking the fact that this is the first box out with the new Nehalem Xeons (not the core I7's) which will carry a premium price. Expect to see these on the HP ProLiant and Dell PowerEdge servers and higher end workstations which will also be substantially priced.

That said, yes Apple does carry a premium. The 24" iMac looks interesting and the Mac Mini still looks like an overpriced coaster :-)


RE: iRape
By quiksilvr on 3/3/2009 2:00:10 PM , Rating: 5
I am seriously disappointed with Apple now. The Mac Mini pricing is so ridiculously stupid it's barely worth mentioning. 200GB of extra space and an extra GB of RAM is NOT WORTH 200 DOLLARS. That's not even worth 100 dollars. The $799 Mac Mini should be $499 and come with a 9600M GT and NOT a 9400M GT. I mean my GOD ITS A COMPUTER NOT A LAPTOP. The only good thing I can say about it is that it has a mini-DVI to DVI adapter in the box.

Another disappointment was that the iMacs are not LED backlit, however since there are seldom any competitively priced All-in-Ones out there, you can't really say much except they are still screwing customers over with the two versions of 24" iMacs. In the low end 24" iMac, you can't update the CPU nor the GPU, you HAVE to pay the extra $300 for the upper end model if you want to change either. What is it with this lineup? Why aren't there 9600M GTs? These are COMPUTERS NOT LAPTOPS.

The Mac Pros are overpriced, but compared to other workstations its surprisingly competitive. I just wish they gave more options in the GPU department.

All in all, a pretty sad update, but I've reached a point where I'm not surprised anymore. They have the potential to be great, if they just thought it through more and priced it more realistically, especially in this economy.


RE: iRape
By afkrotch on 3/3/2009 12:10:46 PM , Rating: 2
I'm usually the first to pee on Apple, but I'm pretty sure both Mac Pros will be dual socket. Just the low end version of it won't use the 2nd socket.

They'll both still be on the more expensive Xeons. Which I have no idea how much they cost as they aren't out yet.


RE: iRape
By Doormat on 3/3/2009 12:38:31 PM , Rating: 2
Possibly, but who knows until someone gets their hands on one.

As far as I can tell - the CPU in the quad Pro are the 3500-series Xeon Nehalem-WS (workstation), with only one QPI link activated (to the X58/5500/5200 chipset). Its essentially a core i7 with ECC RAM enabled. The Nehalem-DP have 2 QPI links active, one to the other socket and one to the chipset.

It might be possible to buy the quad Mac Pro, and then sell that CPU and buy two nehalem Xeon 5500-series chips and put them in and have it work. But that seems like a lot of work to probably not save much (two 2.66 5500 quads is $2000).

Intel is as much to blame as well, now that it can segment out the single socket Xeons and dual socket Xeons, and get another pound of flesh for the dual socket ones - a single socket 2.66Ghz Xeon is $562, but one with an additional QPI link activated for dual socket use is $950. Really, almost $400 for an additional QPI link? I guess that shows you what you can do when you have no competition in that segment.


RE: iRape
By afkrotch on 3/3/2009 1:17:43 PM , Rating: 2
Xeons have always been expensive. A 3 ghz quad core Harpertown is almost $1000. My only guess is they want to segment the server market more. For what reason, I don't know.

Also where are these prices from? I haven't been looking at Intel roadmaps lately.


RE: iRape
By Doormat on 3/3/2009 6:04:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Xeons have always been expensive. A 3 ghz quad core Harpertown is almost $1000. My only guess is they want to segment the server market more. For what reason, I don't know.


MONEY And since AMD doesn't pose any threat in this arena, Intel is free to do what they want.


RE: iRape
By blufire on 3/3/2009 6:43:47 PM , Rating: 2
The quad-core model has a unique processor tray with only one socket and 4 RAM slots (the 8-core model has two sockets and 8 RAM slots).


RE: iRape
By tdawg on 3/3/2009 2:25:27 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is definitely a boutique company. They don't try to cater to those with thin wallets or frugal consumers. If they can charge these prices and get away with it, what incentive is there for them to change? I think many of us know that we don't look to Apple, or for that matter, Sony, to provide the best bang for our buck.

By the way, did anybody check out the Mac Pro case via the link in this article. The slide out motherboard tray looks pretty slick.


RE: iRape
By afkrotch on 3/3/2009 2:38:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
By the way, did anybody check out the Mac Pro case via the link in this article. The slide out motherboard tray looks pretty slick.


Huh? I didn't see any slide out motherboard tray.

I see a slide out memory/cpu tray and a slide out hdd tray. That's pretty common on servers and some workstations.


RE: iRape
By tdawg on 3/3/2009 4:47:17 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, that must be it. I'm not familar with server setups, so this was new to me and looked like a nice feature to get to the ram and processors.


RE: iRape
By theblackbox on 3/4/2009 3:26:49 AM , Rating: 2
As a professional mac user (yes, people actually make a living using a mac) i am very dissapointed with the new line up. I really could care less about the mini or the imac, the pro is the only machine i look at and i have no idea what apple is up to at this point. Raising the price and lowering the capability of the two models just for a modest increase in performance. shame shame shame...the 2008 mac pro was fairly priced as a workstation, and very expandable at 2400-2500. now to get the same capability you have to pay a minimum of 3200? sorry, but thats just silly. the new models and pricing make last years look like a great bargain in the workstation category.

The car analogy cracks me up, as someone who also builds, restores and works on cars, i find the comparison silly. building a computer and working on a car are two totally different concepts. building a computer is like playing with legos, anyone can do it (sorry to burst the bubble of the techies that think they have superior skills because they can plug stuff in but it's true). having owned a jag with a MORE dependable chevy small block and gm wiring, and dealt with mercedes, just saying it cost more it's better isn't a fair comparison. And the WRX rally ready? please. both the evo and subaru used for racing are very different then the garden variety daily driven wrx and evo. cars and computers just aren't a good analogy.

I don't use apple because i buy into their ads, i use apple because i can make a living off it, so you can lay off the fanboy remarks. truth is, i use what works for me. if i needed corporate email, large scale database, or something like a data center or call center i would use a pc. but not all professions use windows, and the mac is more convenient for me. now if adobe would just give us 64 bit apps.


RE: iRape
By Expunge on 3/3/2009 11:55:25 AM , Rating: 2
No doubt.. a base quad core at $2500!!! They do know their is a recession going on right?


RE: iRape
By fri2219 on 3/3/2009 11:57:14 AM , Rating: 4
They could have just lowered the price by $200 instead of this lack of whelm. After kitting things out to be useable on the Apple Store, the mini is US $900.

I can't believe anyone in Cupertino thinks that this is the best they could do. What part of desktop sales are crashing and burning don't they get?


RE: iRape
By Doormat on 3/3/2009 12:42:26 PM , Rating: 3
Take a base $599 mini. Buy your RAM and everything else you need from someone other than Apple. Upgrading to 4GB of DDR3 RAM for the mini is $65 elsewhere, Apple wants $150.


RE: iRape
By Dreifort on 3/3/2009 1:23:55 PM , Rating: 5
or just buy a non Apple PC with maxxed ram, HD and the works. And get a 19" monitor AND a printer.

for $600-$700. Can you do that with an Apple? doubt it.


RE: iRape
By gabacus on 3/4/09, Rating: -1
RE: iRape
By sdoorex on 3/4/2009 1:16:41 PM , Rating: 2
A fool and his money...


RE: iRape
By Pirks on 3/4/2009 1:47:23 PM , Rating: 1
Everyone who can't hand build their own car or computer is a fool. Typical DT attitude.


RE: iRape
By crimson117 on 3/4/09, Rating: 0
RE: iRape
By gabacus on 3/4/2009 5:53:29 PM , Rating: 2
Absolutely!

And everyone who agrees with me knows that a Ferrari (or what ever exotic car makes you dream) is more than just performance. It's about style, grace, beauty. The car is more than just the sum of its parts.


RE: iRape
By gabacus on 3/4/2009 5:35:14 PM , Rating: 1
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love it when a pro-Apple comment gets downgraded. The truth must really hurt hey... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

But seriously, why do you people feel so threatened by Apple? No matter what they do with their products, you low cost parts will always be available to you.

By the way, while you are researching which CPU goes with which main board, which GPU, picking a case and keyboard and all the other work you have to do to get your PC going, I will be with my girl because my computer has already finished doing what it had to do, the way I wanted it to do it :-)


RE: iRape
By Grabo on 3/3/2009 12:06:37 PM , Rating: 3
I still like the MacMini; it has a small footprint, it has a (relatively) powerful CPU and now decent graphics too, and it draws very very little power. For that price however (no , hold on, for +20% of that price or whatever the European equivalent will be) I'm not going to buy it.

As for a 'there's a recession going on' comments: some feel that more keenly than others, and I do think people at Apple have taken that into account. If not, then well..they get what they deserve.


RE: iRape
By afkrotch on 3/3/2009 12:18:35 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think they have factored in the recession. Hence why their sales have decreased. Not to say that their sales have gone negative. They just that sales increases aren't as high as they were when compared to last year.


RE: iRape
By biggsjm on 3/3/2009 12:42:02 PM , Rating: 3
umm . . . where did you see that there sales are decreasing? They just finished a quarter where they sold the most macs they've ever sold in history.

Don't quote that one article, either, that talks about Q4 sales and compares it to Q1 sales. No company (retail or otherwise) accounts for sales on a quarter by quarter basis. Its always year over year.

As for the new macs . . . I don't know how Apple comes up with a price, but if you are buying a machine based soley only the biggest bang for your buck, you probably aren't in the Market for an Apple.


RE: iRape
By TomZ on 3/3/2009 12:45:49 PM , Rating: 4
Apple won't be able to escape the recession - it's impossible.


RE: iRape
By Pirks on 3/3/09, Rating: -1
RE: iRape
By scrapsma54 on 3/4/2009 12:16:57 AM , Rating: 2
GREAT! A post about crap we dont need, then As expected Pirks posted. Good thing the Cycle hasn't been broken, and he was dropped his kudos.


RE: iRape
By TSS on 3/3/2009 11:34:12 PM , Rating: 2
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/02/1...

"As several analysts noted this morning, NPD reported Apple retail Mac units fell 6% year-over-year in January, with revenue down 11% year over year. For iPods, units were down 14%."

http://www.ipodobserver.com/ipo/article/apple_q1_i...

"Apple managed to move some 4.4 million iPhone 3G units during its first fiscal quarter for 2009, but still came in below its 6.5 million units for the last quarter for 2008."

They've already been hit, but for now it's just a small hit. The poor tend to stop spending money before the richer people do.

February sales are going to be interesting.


RE: iRape
By tim851 on 3/4/2009 7:47:34 AM , Rating: 1
http://english.cri.cn/6826/2009/02/16/168s454136.h...

"In its financial report for the fourth quarter of 2008, ASUS saw a net loss of 82 million U.S. dollars, which means a 44 percent drop over the previous year."

There you see what selling cheap Eee things gets you.


RE: iRape
RE: iRape
By Pirks on 3/3/09, Rating: -1
RE: iRape
By omnicronx on 3/3/2009 3:46:38 PM , Rating: 1
I beg to differ, the average consumer sees bigger numbers and assume it means better. (Intel will definitely agree with me here)
quote:
and some of them will disagree with your statement.
Some people will disagree that the holocaust ever happened so what is your point?

The only thing that Apple has over the competition is anesthetics, and other brands are quickly catching up. I also find that many people who originally bought a Mac to have a nice case and to be different from others are finding themselves increasingly the same as others.


RE: iRape
By Pirks on 3/3/09, Rating: -1
RE: iRape
By afkrotch on 3/3/2009 4:46:33 PM , Rating: 2
Mac Mini, just another copy of an itx with an apple logo and slot drive All-in-one desktops are hardly a new concept. Just that Apple has kept making them, while PCs have steered away from them as they weren't all that popular. Even now, they still aren't all that popular in the PC market. They just come and go, over and over again.


RE: iRape
By web2dot0 on 3/3/09, Rating: -1
RE: iRape
By PhoenixKnight on 3/4/2009 1:57:34 PM , Rating: 2
That's odd, my PC with its Lian-Li case has pretty much the same style as a Mac Pro. I had to pay a decent premium for the case, but it's still a hell of a lot cheaper than an extra $1000 for a Mac with the same raw power as my PC.


RE: iRape
By Pirks on 3/4/2009 2:13:54 PM , Rating: 2
Is your PC a single CPU socket machine or a dual CPU socket one?


RE: iRape
By PhoenixKnight on 3/4/2009 2:42:03 PM , Rating: 2
Single socket, but I don't need dual CPUs and FB-DIMMs. Only a few programs can even utilize that many cores.

I will fully admit that Mac Pros are not expensive compared to similar PCs with workstation/server-end hardware, but I'll also say that most users, even people who use Macs professionally, just don't need that type of hardware. Consumer-level will work just as well for the vast majority of users.

A friend of mine bought a Mac Pro last year with my advice and got it with only a single CPU, since she doesn't need 8 cores. I could easily beat its performance for significantly less by getting a cheap C2Q and doing a mild overclock. So, having workstation/server hardware gives her Mac no distinct advantage over a consumer-end quad-core PC.

Admittedly, I would love to have the 8 memory slots of a Mac, but since FB-DIMMs are so expensive, I can just buy higher density DDR2/3 sticks for the same price.


RE: iRape
By Pirks on 3/4/2009 3:06:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
most users, even people who use Macs professionally, just don't need that type of hardware
Good point, but on the other hand your investment in MacPro will be more future proof, i.e. it'll stay with you a lot longer because you will have soooo much space for expansion - additional CPU cores, additional RAM sticks, additional PCI-e slots, hard drives, high-end RAID cards etc etc... you will likely never stuff it up to its full capacity, even in 7-8 years. So I'd say Mac Pro is a decent investment for people who prefer to buy new workstations as rare as possible, preferebaly once every 7-8 years or so.

Otherwise an iMac may be a better investment for a consumer. Keep it fewer years, replace more often but pay less every time. Your call.


RE: iRape
By PhoenixKnight on 3/4/2009 5:00:58 PM , Rating: 2
It will be more future proof, but it you're the type of person who likes the most bang-for-the-buck, you could always use the money saved by going with consumer-level hardware toward your next system, which may be better in the long run. I haven't tried calculating that so I don't know for sure. Of course, if you don't want to have to trash your computer and get a new one every few years, then your idea works well.

In my case, once I upgrade a computer, I use the old hardware either for computers for family and friends, downshift components to other PCs, or just create a server to host my files, buying a few new components here and there. It doesn't take more than an old Athlon XP system, a few spare hdds and a cheap RAID card to create a decent file server.


RE: iRape
By Pirks on 3/4/2009 5:28:52 PM , Rating: 2
Apparently folks buying Xeon workstations instead of hand building their own PCs are not after the best bang for a buck. Just a different market with different thinking people, you know.


RE: iRape
By mead drinker on 3/4/2009 9:38:29 PM , Rating: 1
The only future proof thing about a Mac Pro is that there will never be a shortage of zealots that will be willing to shell out an inordinate amount of cash for it on the secondary market when it becomes old. Just take a look at the prices people will pay for G4s on ebay and so on. This is the very reason why I bought a Mac Book, when it comes time to sell it and buy another I will get some residual value from it. Aside from not being able to build an inexpensive laptop that is as stable as this machine is it really is nothing special, a glorified word processor. On the workstation/desktop front there is no reason why anyone should even consider purchasing a Mac Pro. The one vague excuse I get from people is that certain apps namely Production Suites(final cut etc.) only run on OSX. Now I am student film maker and end user of some of these programs, and I can attest that the comparable alternatives to these programs are not just on par some even exceed them. Adobe Master Collection is one case and point. The people that buy Mac Pros are the same ones that go out and buy a Nikon D3X and think their photography is going to get better. There are people out there with much less that do far better jobs these "professionals."


RE: iRape
By web2dot0 on 3/3/09, Rating: -1
RE: iRape
By omnicronx on 3/3/2009 3:10:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You guys keep saying "IT'S THE WORST DEAL EVER", yet time and time again, the market doesn't seem to think so.
Have you been reading the news lately? Apple and PC sales have been declining, and I think its reasonable to think that this will continue throughout the recession. As the economy gets worse, you will see some of the lowest PC prices in the past 10 years, yet Apple is not willing to adjust. Whats going to happen when the economy is restored and people are used to getting their PC's for super low prices?


RE: iRape
By Pirks on 3/3/09, Rating: -1
RE: iRape
By omnicronx on 3/3/2009 3:37:35 PM , Rating: 2
That's nothing more than speculation, the very reason that I was asking in the form of a question. I am sure that's what Apple is hoping for, but I am willing to wager it will not happen.


RE: iRape
By Pirks on 3/3/09, Rating: 0
RE: iRape
By omnicronx on 3/3/2009 4:03:57 PM , Rating: 2
Netbooks are going to be Apples Achilles heal, mark my words. They are becoming a fashion statement which is treading in Apples waters. Furthermore PC manufactures are beginning to enter other markets that were previously Apples exclusive playground. HP, Dell and other manufactures have already released their mac mini equivalents.

Did you really think that other manufacturers wouldn't eventually follow in Apples shoes? The recession just makes things worse as it puts the cheapness factor on the PC's side.


RE: iRape
By Pirks on 3/3/09, Rating: -1
RE: iRape
By TomZ on 3/3/2009 4:57:24 PM , Rating: 1
I'm not going to feed the trolls today, but I really just have to say that you really should get a life. I don't get how being such a shill for Apple benefits you personally, and you're certainly not convincing anyone here to root for Apple. You do provides some ripe "not worth reading" rating, however, for those who are so inclined.


RE: iRape
By Pirks on 3/3/09, Rating: -1
RE: iRape
By omnicronx on 3/3/2009 5:13:52 PM , Rating: 1
If we all say yes will you leave DT forever?


RE: iRape
By Pirks on 3/3/09, Rating: -1
RE: iRape
By tayhimself on 3/3/2009 6:19:04 PM , Rating: 1
Netbooks, until now are poorly finished and cheesy looking (Asus/Acer) or the same old (Dell, HP). The new Asus EEE's look better but I don't see how something cheap and plasticy becomes a fashion statement.

Think of Apple like Mercedes. You can get a better specc'd pontiac but you wouldn't want to.


RE: iRape
By JHBoricua on 3/3/2009 7:00:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Think of Apple like Mercedes.
That would be an insult to the Mercedes brand.


RE: iRape
By maven81 on 3/3/2009 7:40:24 PM , Rating: 2
I really wish these stupid car analogies would die. A car is not a computer people! Can you replace the engine in that Mercedes? How about ripping out the engine and the transmission and going with something totally different? Want a different material for the seats? Unless you know a good body shop and have a massive budget good luck with that.
How about which car is better, a monster truck, or a formula 1 racer? It should be obvious that they aren't built for the same use. Now which one would you trust more in 2 feet of snow, a ferrari or a 4 by 4? In fact would you get anywhere at all in the snow in that ferrari?
This is stupid, and has to stop.


RE: iRape
By Pirks on 3/3/2009 7:51:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
A car is not a computer
For tech illiterate general public there's no difference between a computer and a car. These illiterate average Joes go to car service shop to fix their car just like they go to computer service shop to fix their computer. No difference for them whatsoever.

They buy a new car, sell it, buy another instead, and they do the same with their computers. Buy, use, sell, repeat. No difference here either.

Actually, what's funny is that a mechanic working in a car shop would say exactly the opposite about computer.

He'd say something like: "Oh it's such a piece of cake to fix and tune that engine, just get these parts, screw these bolts, bingo. But a computer?? Who the heck would work on their computer?? It's soo hard, I don't even know where this things turns on and opens up, and you're trying to tell me it's EASIER to work on a computer than on a car? Jeeezzz... get a life man"

See what I'm talking about?


RE: iRape
By sprockkets on 3/3/2009 8:16:26 PM , Rating: 2
No


RE: iRape
By Pirks on 3/3/2009 8:23:03 PM , Rating: 2
My condolences


RE: iRape
By retrospooty on 3/3/2009 10:11:57 PM , Rating: 2
douche


RE: iRape
By Pirks on 3/3/2009 10:17:59 PM , Rating: 2
blind idiot


RE: iRape
By web2dot0 on 3/3/2009 6:01:18 PM , Rating: 1
I have been reading the news lately. Thanks for the heads up. Yeah, I didn't know anything about the recession, or the US bailout .... yeah ...

PC and Apples sales are declining, and it's not going to change regardless of how Apple price their systems.

Apple's market is not going towards the bottom of the barrel PC buyers, so they will be effected less. Less, but not immune of course.

You keep saying "lowest PC prices in 10 years" .... so a $300 PC not cheap enough for you already? You don't know what you are talking about because you don't make any sense.

Apple have to be very careful not to underprice their products for the fear of losing their brand's image. Rather than your fear mongering .... you might want to wait 3months for the next quarterly earnings BEFORE you critize their pricing. Mind you , let's me realistic and compare them to the rest of the industry not just against their year to year earnings.


and yet...
By Dreifort on 3/3/2009 11:44:40 AM , Rating: 2
Still now touchscreen.

I know some Apple users who are wanting this. I have no urge to buy an Apple. I also have no urge to spend 3x more than what I spent on my PC.




RE: and yet...
By Grabo on 3/3/2009 12:08:42 PM , Rating: 2
Touchscreen on what? The IMac? A glossy touchscreen?


RE: and yet...
By biggsjm on 3/3/09, Rating: -1
RE: and yet...
By DEredita on 3/3/2009 1:25:00 PM , Rating: 1
I guess you haven't seen what Hyundai has begun offering, but I rather a Hyundai over a Toyota.


RE: and yet...
By Maharajamd on 3/3/2009 2:26:13 PM , Rating: 3
rofl go ahead...


RE: and yet...
By afkrotch on 3/3/2009 2:27:33 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
If people want to pay more for perceived quality I don't see what the huge issue is.


I personally don't care whether someone buys Apple or not. I just like to rag on them for it, as I have nothing better to do at work.


RE: and yet...
By superunknown98 on 3/3/2009 2:29:39 PM , Rating: 1
Thats anology isn't quite right. Apple takes the EXACT same hardware you can buy from dell/HP/ insert favorite vendor and charges you more for it, alot more. It would be more akin to toyota changring 10,000 dollars more for the exact same car.

If OSX and a fancy apple logo on the case are worth the markup, thats fine, but don't say the prices on the hardware are fair. If you had to have a MAC, build a Hackintosh and save some money.


RE: and yet...
By Pirks on 3/3/09, Rating: -1
RE: and yet...
By omnicronx on 3/3/2009 3:16:57 PM , Rating: 4
Ya you guys are idiots, don't you realize that computer components are not the only parts of a computer? Its a well known fact that a teaspoon of love and a tiny piece of Steve Jobs brain goes into every single Mac resulting in the higher price and better performance.


RE: and yet...
By Pirks on 3/3/2009 3:20:15 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
don't you realize that computer components are not the only parts of a computer?
Yeah, just like the engine, transmission and wheels are not the only parts of a car. Got a problem with that?


RE: and yet...
By omnicronx on 3/3/2009 3:29:38 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Yeah, just like the engine, transmission and wheels are not the only parts of a car. Got a problem with that?
Nor did I say they were, but.. what did you say agian?
quote:
A personal computer is not JUST pure hardware
When it most definitely is. Both Mac's and Windows based machines are PC's, a computer does not need an OS to be considered a PC. Thus one can make the assumption that a PC IS pure hardware, gigahertz and gigabytes.


RE: and yet...
By Pirks on 3/3/2009 3:36:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Thus one can make the assumption that a PC IS pure hardware, gigahertz and gigabytes
The one who makes such an assumption is a techie, not an average tech-illiterate mass consumer. That was my point.


RE: and yet...
By omnicronx on 3/3/2009 4:12:03 PM , Rating: 3
This is just plain incorrect. I get asked all the time 'how many gigabytes should I look for' when buying a new PC, they don't know if they are talking about memory or hard drive space, they just know the bigger number means better. The average consumer does not even know what components are what when just reading the specs.


RE: and yet...
By Pirks on 3/3/2009 4:31:23 PM , Rating: 2
Well for these kind of guys Apple also posts gigabytes and gigahertz everywhere in its tech specs. When the time is due to make a decision someone may tell the consumer that Macs with the same specs as PC cost more because they consume less energy and space, have only advanced interfaces (no floppies, latest wireless everywhere and so on), have better battery efficiency than PC notebook (link to latest Anandtech notebook review goes with it if necessary), have no virus threats and so on. Then conumer may also pay a visit to a Mac store to look at those Macs, experience that big glass touchpad, magsafe, backlit keyboard and other things not seen in cheapo PC world, and then there's the choice - pay a few hundred more for say an upscale metal case MacBook or less for a cheaper feeling plastic PC? Tough choice, huh? It's easy to decide when you never saw Macs and never worked with them. Things become trickier when there's that Apple store nearby where you can finally understand what Mac is about, when you drop by to buy some iPod or iPhone accessory/whatever. So the moral of the story is yes, specs are important but they are not the only thing in a computer. So far constant growth of Mac sales (even during recession!) proved this.


RE: and yet...
By Noliving on 3/3/2009 6:28:08 PM , Rating: 4
Hmmm lets see, they consume less energy really so I can't find a windows pc that doesn't consume just as little of power as a mac? But lets just say its true how much money would they save per month in energy bills if they were to leave the computer on 24/7? A few bucks? That mac is going to probably cost several hundred dollars more too. Takes up less space? The only ones that take up less space are the mac mini and the mac book air which are not apples primary selling computers. Floppies? No one really ever uses them anymore except for maybe updating bios which can be done by cd/dvd now. No virus threats is a lie, in fact apple has released more security patches this past year too two years then Microsoft has for both xp and vista combined.

Yes god knows wireless everywhere is a good thing, god knows I love having too walk back and forth between my mac book air and another computer just to install a disc based piece of software and then if I want a dvd drive its costs me $100 dollars for the mac book air, how can you possibly justify it costing $100 bucks.

I don't know dell seems to be just using metal cases, just because a case is metal over plastic doesn't mean metal is a better case, if you spend several hundred dollars more for a metal case thinking it is better then a plastic like case then that person is making dumb financial decision wouldn't you agree pirks? I mean look at how cheap apple is being with the apple mac book air hinge cracks and then charging $800 for it too be repaired because they claim those cracks are not covered by the warranty. How much more cheaper can you get? It appears just by the mac book air cracks that metal cases are indeed not better all the time.

It's actually a very easy choice when you work with apple's and PC oem manufacturers all the time.

It's interesting how the iphone is being given away for free in japan because the iphone is not good enough in asia.


RE: and yet...
By Pirks on 3/3/09, Rating: -1
RE: and yet...
By JHBoricua on 3/3/2009 7:07:24 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Yet there are no mass worm infections in the Mac world
Anything irrelevant is often overlooked.


RE: and yet...
By Pirks on 3/3/2009 7:17:59 PM , Rating: 2
People buying Macs don't care about reasons WHY it has no virus threats.


RE: and yet...
By taber on 3/3/2009 10:39:48 PM , Rating: 4
You should really consider fact checking the things you say. There's nothing wrong with defending a product you appreciate, but doing so by spouting off inaccurate garbage doesn't help like you've done throughout these comments.

quote:
Yet there are no mass worm infections in the Mac world, nothing like Downadup/Conficker Windows worms. Looks like "no virus threats" is not a lie after all.


Viruses exist for Mac, so it is a lie. Yes, they're not as prevalent on a Mac, but most sensible people will agree it's because of the smaller market share.

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Metal just looks/feels better and more solid, plus MacBooks don't have those stupid ventilation holes at the bottom like on WinPC notebooks, so you can freely put them absolutely anywhere and not being afraid of overheating because some stupid hole at the bottom is blocked by a couch or your lap or something.


Your metal comment is an opinion, don't tout it as fact. You can't fairly talk about all non-Mac laptop's ventilation holes based on a few poorly engineered examples. Unlike Macs, Windows users aren't tied to a few models and all their associated pros and cons. Speaking of holes, I'm typing this on a thinkpad with a keyboard and drainage holes designed to let spilled liquids pass through. Any Macs do that?

Personally, I've been waiting for a Mac mini update to give OS X a spin on a computer I just use occasionally, but will have to pass since they changed so little. I'll just toss a cheap linux box together for my kitchen PC that will do what I need at half the cost. I don't see how they can justify charging that much for so little RAM and hard drive space. Since they didn't change the case, I assume you'll still need to use a putty knife to open the case for your own upgrades and be responsible for any damage incurred. Besides, isn't OSX 10.6 supposed to come out this year, which would cost over $100 to upgrade to? Even if I change my mind, I might as well wait until then.


RE: and yet...
By Pirks on 3/3/09, Rating: 0
RE: and yet...
By taber on 3/3/2009 11:31:09 PM , Rating: 5
I'll feed you once just to show you to be the troll you are.

First you say:
quote:
Looks like "no virus threats" is not a lie after all.

Then:
quote:
Mac buying public doesn't care WHY Macs don't have mass virus infections.


That still doesn't negate the fact Macs HAVE viruses, which was the whole point. Your first statement was blatantly wrong.

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Give me at least one example of a WinPC notebook without a single ventilation hole at the bottom.


Sony VAIO P.
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4...

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It doesn't help when all your WinPC notebooks have these stupid ventilation holes at the bottom.


Yeah, stupid ventilation holes negate every pro of all WinPC notebooks. Great logic.

quote:
Why should I care about unnecessary feature versus the feature that I need every day? I never spill liquids on my notebooks but I do suffer from idiotic WinPC ventilation design issues every day when I try to put my WinPC notebook on a couch or on my lap.


Sorry, since you were spouting off about a Mac feature I didn't care about (no holes on the bottom) I figured I could do the same.


RE: and yet...
By Pirks on 3/4/09, Rating: 0
RE: and yet...
By Noliving on 3/4/2009 2:59:50 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Energy efficient machines cost more than inefficient ones. Nothing abnormal here.


Ya there is nothing abnormal there, the problem is that considering how much more its costs vs. the savings per month which would probably equal a few bucks per month your probably not going to make up the extra costs in the savings by the time you buy a new labtop. That is the whole point of buying something that costs more and is energy efficient is that you will make up the costs and end up paying less for it by the time you buy a new labtop vs. the labtop that isn't as energy efficient.

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You conveniently forgot about iMac.


No not really considering Dell has something very similar to the Imac that is basically taking up the same amount of space.

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Mac was the first consumer PC that dropped floppy drive


Good for them, just because they dropped it doesn't mean it is better, just because a computer still has a floppy drive doesn't mean it is outdated either.

quote:
Yet there are no mass worm infections in the Mac world, nothing like Downadup/Conficker Windows worms. Looks like "no virus threats" is not a lie after all.


Macs get viruses and yes they do have worm infections that make the news like the iWorkServices worm, or the ipods that were shipped with a worm installed. Plus you also have the fact that Apple has released more security patches for the mac os in the past year too 2 years then both windows xp and vista combined.

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Agreed, if you install disc based pieces of software every day then Mac is not for you.


Or if you want to watch dvds, or if you want to install the latest version of the mac os x or if you want reinstall mac os x.

quote:
Metal just looks/feels better and more solid, plus MacBooks don't have those stupid ventilation holes at the bottom like on WinPC notebooks, so you can freely put them absolutely anywhere and not being afraid of overheating because some stupid hole at the bottom is blocked by a couch or your lap or something.


Even though it just looks and feels better and more solid it clearly isn't when you look at the MBA hinge problems. Yes because god knows those stupid bentilation holes are more dumb then the fact that you can't even open up your mac book air to replace the battery or the harddrive which means if one of them goes out you have to ship it back to apple and pay more money then what you would pay for a pc oem labtop. If it did overheat the pc labtop would just shutdown/restart automatically.

quote:
Doh, like any other PC manufacturer covers this under warranty :))) Tell your fairy tales to someone else please


Yet you missed the point, I showed you where you were wrong that metal cases mean they are better cases and not only that they cost a crap ton to repair, $800 for cracks in hinges and only hinges. The dell completecare accidental damage service warranty would cover that hinge crack. Heck if you research the story and the problems there are people who bought the apple care protection plan who can't get it repaired and the cracks are happening on a scale that would suggest the damage is not done on purpose.

quote:
Yet it still keeps selling and competing in the same Japanese market from which Nokia has just withdrawn :P


I wouldn't consider it "selling" and competing when it "sales" are so bad that they are giving away all Iphones for free until may just too see if it works.

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/02/26/iphone-not-se...

http://random-tech-stuff.blogspot.com/2009/03/appl...

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/27/iphone-softbank-m...

http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/02/26/in...

So tell me again how it was apple that forced nokia too leave the market? It clearly wasn't apple. Tell me again what Apple's iphone sales have been as a total since it was released in japan?


RE: and yet...
By Noliving on 3/4/2009 3:05:08 AM , Rating: 2
Why isn't there an edit button?!

"Yes because god knows those stupid bentilation holes"

I meant too say ventilation.


RE: and yet...
By Noliving on 3/4/2009 3:07:37 AM , Rating: 2
And also all places where I said labtop I meant laptop.

There really needs to be an edit button.


RE: and yet...
By Pirks on 3/4/2009 4:02:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
the problem is that considering how much more its costs vs. the savings per month which would probably equal a few bucks per month your probably not going to make up the extra costs in the savings by the time you buy a new labtop
People buy hybrid cars however. Why?
quote:
because they dropped it doesn't mean it is better
But they did it first among PC makers, that's the point.
quote:
ipods that were shipped with a worm installed
WINDOWS worm! :)))
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Macs get viruses and yes they do have worm infections that make the news like the iWorkServices worm
These are trojans, not interesting. Every platform has them. Windows is unique though because it has those netwok spreading worms, like Downadup. Mac has nothing like that, that's the point.
quote:
Or if you want to watch dvds
You rip or download it. Not a problem. DVD is dead anyway, replaced by P2P and broadband downloads.
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you can't even open up your mac book air to replace the battery or the harddrive
Never heard that MBA is absolutely impossible to disassemble, where did you get that?
quote:
if you research the story
What story? You got any links? Sounds interesting.
quote:
tell me again how it was apple that forced nokia to leave the market?
I never said that.


RE: and yet...
By Noliving on 3/4/2009 5:38:25 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
People buy hybrid cars however. Why?


Because they think its going to save them so much gas money that it will end up being able to pay for the difference they paid when they bought the car and in fact will save them money then if they had not gone with a hybrid car. The problem is that even if gas was $4-$5 a gallon it would take around 7 years to pay off the difference, but then you have to factor in that gas prices have fallen and then factor in repair costs and the fact that the average american only has a car for 5-7 years then you come to the conclusion that the more economical decision would have been too just have gone with the non hybrid vehicle.

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But they did it first among PC makers, that's the point.


Which is a pathetic point in that proves absolutely nothing. It doesn't prove whatsoever that the mac is superior, in fact you would argue the pc that has a floppy disk and a dvd player, vs one that just has a dvd player, would be better.

quote:
These are trojans, not interesting. Every platform has them. Windows is unique though because it has those netwok spreading worms, like Downadup. Mac has nothing like that, that's the point.


Ah yes it is a trojan, trojans have a tendancy to be more dangerous or do more damage too the computer they infect vs worms, there are worms that are very damaging but on average trojans do more damage then worms too the infected computer

ah macs do have worms buddy. the OSX/Leap-A worm....

here is more

http://news.cnet.com/Bluetooth-worm-targets-Mac-OS...

http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?n...

quote:
You rip or download it. Not a problem. DVD is dead anyway, replaced by P2P and broadband downloads.
quote:


Well you can't really rip if you don't have a dvd rom unless of course you plan on walking too another computer to do it, I also loved how left out the installation or installation of the mac os x considering that is the primary mode of installing the mac os on mac computers.

DVD has a lot of life left and blu ray is going too take over and then you consider the fact that downloads have several problems, first off download speeds take way too long, then there is the issue of harddrive space, plus downloads have a tendancy to have a bit rate less then dvds meaning it isn't as good of quality.

Eventually they will be replaced by downloads but not atleast for another 5 years.

quote:
Never heard that MBA is absolutely impossible to disassemble, where did you get that?


Did I say it was impossible too disassemble? Have you disassemble the MBA? Do you know how? Do you do it at your own home? How many MBA owners disassemble the MBA at home? That's my point, no one disassembles the MBA, its the fact that as Apple puts it's sealed shut. So how do you open up the MBA at home?

quote:
What story? You got any links? Sounds interesting


You know the story because its the topic of the paragraph you got the quote from. In fact the topic is also mentioned again in the 30+ words after the words you quoted. Ya I got links but then again the quote is telling you to do the research, which means find the story on your own.

quote:
I never said that.


You may not have said it but you were implying that apple was having enough success in the japanese market that it somehow had a part in kicking nokia out of the market.

Doesn't matter, the iphone is not having any success in the japanese market considering its sales are so bad they have to give it away for free.


RE: and yet...
By Noliving on 3/4/2009 5:42:05 AM , Rating: 2
God where is the edit button when you need one.

"I also loved how left out the installation or installation of the mac os x considering that is the primary mode of installing the mac os on mac computers."

I meant reinstallation.

"first off download speeds take way too long"

meant download times.

" That's my point, no one disassembles the MBA , its the fact that as Apple puts it's sealed shut."

Meant to say "no one disassembles the MBA at home,"


RE: and yet...
By Noliving on 3/4/2009 5:51:36 AM , Rating: 2
One thing that is interesting to note is that Leap-A is considered a virus and a worm by sophos.

http://www.sophos.com/security/analyses/viruses-an...


RE: and yet...
By Noliving on 3/4/2009 6:01:25 AM , Rating: 2
One thing that is interesting to note is that Leap-A is considered a virus and a worm by sophos.

http://www.sophos.com/security/analyses/viruses-an...

There is also the Renepo worm that targets the mac os x

http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/20...


RE: and yet...
By Noliving on 3/4/2009 6:08:09 AM , Rating: 2
Where is the edit button when you need one!


RE: and yet...
By Pirks on 3/4/2009 11:16:04 AM , Rating: 2
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Because they think its going to save them so much gas money that it will end up being able to pay for the difference they paid when they bought the car
Nah, not always. I'd buy a Prius simply because I love how it drives, no cars comes close to it except for Lexus and upscale Camry. See, energy efficiency if JUST ONE OF THE REASONS to buy a hybrid. NOT THE ONLY ONE. Same's true about Macs.
quote:
Which is a pathetic point in that proves absolutely nothing
Pathetic to you because you don't care if your PC is loaded by museum crap like LPT, COM and floppy. Not pathetic to me because I don't want useless crap on my computer, I want just the future proof interfaces which I will use for a long time, say 5 years at least. Macs usually give users that, PCs don't.
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pc that has a floppy disk and a dvd player, vs one that just has a dvd player, would be better
Yep, just like the car with one steering wheel would be better for me compared to car with two steering wheels. See my point now?
quote:
trojans have a tendancy to be more dangerous or do more damage too the computer they infect vs worms
Where did you get THIS from?? Sounds very funny :)) Any proof or links?
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OSX/Leap-A worm
Are you seriously comparing network spreading worm that uses Windows security holes to quietly infect machines with a social networking trojan which you HAVE TO DOWNLOAD YOURSELF with iChat? And with a _Bluetooth_ worm?? :)))) You're kidding me, right? That's way beyond funny. Show me something similar to Downadup that mass infected Macs recently, THEN we'll talk.
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unless of course you plan on walking too another computer to do it
MBA was designed as your second computer, not the primary one, so moot point here.
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installation of the mac os x considering that is the primary mode of installing the mac os on mac computers
Why would you install it yourself if it comes from a factory with OS X preinstalled? Do you reinstall OS X every day? If yes then MBA is not for you.
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download speeds take way too long
If you live in rural area and you're using dial up instead of broadband - then yes, MBA is not for you too. It may be useful for an urban person with fast internet, but I agree it's not a good buy for rural dial up guys like you.
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downloads have a tendancy to have a bit rate less then dvds
Who cares if it uses bitrate efficient codec like H.264 which allows twice less bitrate than DVD with the same or better quality?
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they will be replaced by downloads but not atleast for another 5 years
For rural people like you they'll stay around for like 10 years if not more, agreed.
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how do you open up the MBA at home?
http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/MacBook-Air...
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Ya I got links but then again the quote is telling you to do the research, which means find the story on your own
Well, if you got links but refused to post at least one of them here this means something is fishy. Must be some fake story then. Whatever.
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you were implying that apple was having enough success in the japanese market that it somehow had a part in kicking nokia out of the market
No I weren't.
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the iphone is not having any success in the japanese market
Relative to Nokia that was kicked out of the Japanese market altogether I'd say iPhone is pretty successful :P
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There is also the Renepo worm that targets the mac os x
"Sophos notes that the Renepo virus has not been seen in the wild to date"

Looks like you don't read your own links, dialup man :))


RE: and yet...
By Noliving on 3/4/2009 4:43:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Nah, not always. I'd buy a Prius simply because I love how it drives, no cars comes close to it except for Lexus and upscale Camry. See, energy efficiency if JUST ONE OF THE REASONS to buy a hybrid. NOT THE ONLY ONE. Same's true about Macs.


we were talking energy efficieny, you brought up the prius because it was energy efficient and no other reason and you knew the biggest reason why people bought the prius was because of its MPG and the fact that it sales took a nose dive after gas prices fell shows that the primary reason to buy a hybrid was just that its. Here is the other problem we weren't talking about why you and why you would want one, we were talking about the primary reason why other people besides you buy the prius and the primary reason is MPG.

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Pathetic to you because you don't care if your PC is loaded by museum crap like LPT, COM and floppy. Not pathetic to me because I don't want useless crap on my computer, I want just the future proof interfaces which I will use for a long time, say 5 years at least. Macs usually give users that, PCs don't.


So then why would you buy prius when its filled by museum crap like a cd player and doesn't have a feature like Microsoft sync technology?

If you don't want the useless crap then uncheck the box when you go to buy the computer from a oem or don't order one when you build your own computer. I can build computers from oems that have the same wireless features as the mba.

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Yep, just like the car with one steering wheel would be better for me compared to car with two steering wheels. See my point now?


No not really. I guess computers that have a wired ethernet port and a wireless ethernet card are crap computers vs. that is only wireless

quote:
Are you seriously comparing network spreading worm that uses Windows security holes to quietly infect machines with a social networking trojan which you HAVE TO DOWNLOAD YOURSELF with iChat? And with a _Bluetooth_ worm?? :)))) You're kidding me, right? That's way beyond funny. Show me something similar to Downadup that mass infected Macs recently, THEN we'll talk.


I gave you network spreading worms, it doesn't matter if it takes advantage of windows security holes to infect mac computers, it also doesn't matter if you have to download it yourself, if you download it from the internet or from another computer then it is spreading through a network making it a network spreading worm. By your logic the email spreading worms are not network spreading worms then because you have to open the damn email and then download/open the attachment(hitting the open button instead of downloading to desktop is still downloading the attachment). Clearly the iChat was a mass infecting worm due to the fact that it garned media attention for the fact it was found in the wild infecting mac computers by computer security companies. Blu tooth worm was just to show you that there are other network type worms that mac is vulnerable too.

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MBA was designed as your second computer, not the primary one, so moot point here.


Too you it was designed as a secondary computer, too other people its their primary computer so no its not a moot point here. If it's a moot point then so is your floopy disk argument. Do you have Apple advertising it as a secondary computer?

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Why would you install it yourself if it comes from a factory with OS X preinstalled? Do you reinstall OS X every day? If yes then MBA is not for you.


Oh I don't know too install the new mac versions as they become available or previous versions of a Mac. Or too just reformat. You think people with apple computers don't reformat?

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If you live in rural area and you're using dial up instead of broadband - then yes, MBA is not for you too. It may be useful for an urban person with fast internet, but I agree it's not a good buy for rural dial up guys like you.


Ya um here is a problem, my house lives in range of qwest fiber connections I can get a max connection of atleast 12mbps, my current connection speed is 5mbps. So thanks for making assumption of what my download speed is but try again. Truth of the matter is that you need fiber download speeds too be really able to enjoy downloadable movies and they are not even close to having enough penetration and considering how crappy cable and dsl penetration is still in this country its unlikely in 5 years they will be able to penetrate just as fast the market with fiber optics connections. Then there is the problem that downloadable movies still have a bitrate that is less then dvds, dvd are better quality still then downloadable movies. Even HD movies are better quality on blu ray then downloadable HD movies.

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Who cares if it uses bitrate efficient codec like H.264 which allows twice less bitrate than DVD with the same or better quality?


I care due to the fact that the majority of downloadable movies are not in that codec.

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Well, if you got links but refused to post at least one of them here this means something is fishy. Must be some fake story then. Whatever.


http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/26/macbook-air-hin...

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Relative to Nokia that was kicked out of the Japanese market altogether I'd say iPhone is pretty successful :P


the fact that apple is struggling so badly in japan that they have to give away the iphones for free and the fact that apple won't release its sales numbers total for the iphone would suggest it is not successful at all, in fact they haven't even reached their half million mark, and it is very unlikely they will be able too sell one million within the first year of its launch which was the goal. How long do you think with the current "sales" of the free iphone in japan that apple will be able to keep going in japan with the iphone? Probably won't be much longer.

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Looks like you don't read your own links, dialup man :))


Ah yes I do read my own links, you said it doesn't have networking worms like Microsoft and said "that was the point"

you said that they didn't have networking spreading worms. Renepo is a networking spreading worm for the Mac OS.

the OSX/Leap-A worm is a network spreading worm that was in the wild.

According to this link the Renepo worm was actually the opener worm that infected previous Mac os just renamed by apple and sophos and others and in fact had been infecting Mac computers for quite sometime.

http://rixstep.com/1/20060311,00.shtml


RE: and yet...
By Noliving on 3/4/2009 4:53:18 PM , Rating: 2
In fact the primary codec downloadable movies are in is divx. Not that it isn't a bad codec but not as good h.264


RE: and yet...
By Noliving on 3/4/2009 5:07:02 PM , Rating: 2
Also a much better example for yor "two steering wheel" would have been car that has both a compact cassette player and a cd player or a cd player and Microsoft sync.


RE: and yet...
By Noliving on 3/4/2009 5:10:09 PM , Rating: 2
edit edit edit!!!
meant too say "Garnered" instead of garned.


RE: and yet...
By Whaaambulance on 3/9/2009 11:37:30 AM , Rating: 2
Ever hear of punctuation, idiot?

'Wall of text crits you for 35,633 annoyance damage. You die.'


RE: and yet...
By Pythias on 3/30/2009 5:33:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
...have no virus threats and so on.


ROTFLMAO Crapple has plenty of security holes. Not that it matters. Any given computer is only as safe as its operator.


RE: and yet...
By PhoenixKnight on 3/4/2009 2:08:16 PM , Rating: 1
And exactly are you referring to? Seriously, this is not a rhetorical question.

Sure, there is the Operating System, but OS X runs perfectly fine on my PC, so that's a moot point. All my Mac-using friends are in general agreement that Apple's customer support is horrible and treats them like s*!t when they have to call. Apple's warranty is pretty much the same as anyone else's, though the whole lousy customer support makes it difficult to actually use said warranty.

So, what else did I miss that apparently only people who know next to nothing about computers know that computer experts don't? I am seriously curious. Enlighten me.


RE: and yet...
By Pirks on 3/4/2009 2:21:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
OS X runs perfectly fine on my PC
Does your PC have large buttonless multitouch glass trackpad? Does it have MagSafe and backlit keyboard? Can you take your PC with you at all or is it a stationary/desktop ATX tower?


RE: and yet...
By PhoenixKnight on 3/4/2009 2:56:16 PM , Rating: 2
I don't use a laptop, so those features are irrelevant to me. I use OS X primarily for the Adobe Suite, and I work on extremely large (1+ GB) files on widescreen monitors, so no laptop would be of any use to me for that.


RE: and yet...
By Pirks on 3/4/2009 3:10:07 PM , Rating: 2
In this case Mac is pure hardware for you, agreed. Things I spoke about are most visible in laptops but not so much in desktops with hacked OS X like yours.


RE: and yet...
By web2dot0 on 3/3/2009 2:50:44 PM , Rating: 1
superunknown98 :

you are an idiot. Do everyday joes buy Hackintosh? Who would you recommend buying a UNSUPPORTED OS?

Hobbyist consist of 0.0001% of the market, so no one cares if you can hack OSX into your PC. It's not worth discussion.

Dude, have you driven a WRX STI? Yeah, it's cheaper than a M3, but do you think all those people who bought a M3 are bunch of idiots?

Every market have it's intended audience. It's all MARKET RESEARCH. You really should do some market research before telling folks to build a Hackintosh.


RE: and yet...
By omnicronx on 3/3/2009 3:24:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Dude, have you driven a WRX STI? Yeah, it's cheaper than a M3, but do you think all those people who bought a M3 are bunch of idiots?
No.. because an M3 is a superior vehicle, made with better parts, and a much more powerful engine and does 0-60 a full second faster.
quote:
You really should do some market research
I guess you should follow your own advice.


RE: and yet...
By maven81 on 3/3/2009 4:52:53 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, but does that M3 have all wheel drive?, a boxer engine?
You can't really compare these now can you...


RE: and yet...
By web2dot0 on 3/3/2009 6:09:41 PM , Rating: 1
M3 is NOT a superior vehicle. Like others have mentioned, STI is rally ready. It's got some serious performance. If all you do everyday is ride the car in a right line, then whoopee doo. You're a real driver huh ...

Anyways, the point is Apple is geared towards a DIFFERENT market. It has served them well .... might want to check on their cash flow before you bash them.

Don't hate them before they are making $$$$.


Bullsh it
By sprockkets on 3/3/2009 4:20:41 PM , Rating: 3
There is no chance in heck that mac mini uses only 13 watts at idle.

That being said, $599 for the Mac Mini isn't a bad price, somewhat. I can build somewhat of the same computer for around $475, with Vista Premium. And yes, that includes wireless, geforce9300 graphics, slot loading DVD burner and 2.0ghz processor.

Yeah sure, I don't get OSX and iLife. I also don't get a gay jingle every time I turn on my computer and have a BIOS for me to mess around with, as well as a 16x pci-e slot to expand with.




RE: Bullsh it
By Pirks on 3/3/2009 4:39:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't get OSX and iLife
You also don't get that tiny little case.


RE: Bullsh it
By TomZ on 3/3/2009 5:05:55 PM , Rating: 4
And a mouse with just one button. :o)


RE: Bullsh it
By Pirks on 3/3/2009 5:15:09 PM , Rating: 2
Another urban myth.

*yawns*

Tom's so boring today... oh well. I need more fiery WinPC trolls, or I'll stop reading this thread way too soon. Chicko, SavagePotato? Come on guys, show yourself


RE: Bullsh it
By retrospooty on 3/3/2009 6:48:06 PM , Rating: 3
Oh gee, look. Here is another Apple article, and amazingly enough, there is Pirks again, defending Apple's honor and prestige at all costs.

ugh... Its past the point of getting old.


RE: Bullsh it
By Pirks on 3/3/2009 7:06:18 PM , Rating: 4
Oh gee, look. Here is another Apple article, and amazingly enough, there are WinPC fanatics again, bashing Apple's honor and prestige at all costs.

ugh... Its past the point of getting old.


RE: Bullsh it
By sprockkets on 3/3/2009 8:18:23 PM , Rating: 4
Except it is Pirks vs. all of Dailytech's readers. THAT'S the difference.


RE: Bullsh it
By Pirks on 3/3/2009 8:26:44 PM , Rating: 2
Except it's Pirks, kelmon, reader1, robinthakur, web2dot0 and tayhimself vs. all of Dailytech's readers. THAT'S the difference.


RE: Bullsh it
By sprockkets on 3/3/2009 9:13:16 PM , Rating: 2
Probably all the same person under different pseudonyms.


RE: Bullsh it
By Pirks on 3/3/2009 9:17:49 PM , Rating: 2
kelmon, robinthakur, reader1? Guys? Now isn't THAT funny? :))))
Thanks sprockkets!

*ROFLs hard*


RE: Bullsh it
By retrospooty on 3/3/2009 10:09:20 PM , Rating: 1
"Except it's Pirks, kelmon, reader1, robinthakur, web2dot0 and tayhimself vs. all of Dailytech's readers. THAT'S the difference. "

Its funny. No matter what you have to say, even when you have a good and valid point, you still come off like a total douchebag. =)


RE: Bullsh it
By Pirks on 3/3/2009 10:13:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
you still come off like a total douchebag
Of course I do, but only for blind WinPC zealots, fortunately.


RE: Bullsh it
By TomZ on 3/4/2009 3:22:59 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry dude; your low ratings on this article, and DT overall, contradict your self-delusion.


RE: Bullsh it
By Pirks on 3/4/2009 3:27:47 PM , Rating: 2
You think ratings set by fanatics mean anything to me? You're gravely mistaken, dude.


RE: Bullsh it
By taber on 3/4/2009 8:53:59 PM , Rating: 2
Not really, since facts don't mean much to you either.


RE: Bullsh it
By Pirks on 3/4/2009 9:08:10 PM , Rating: 2
What facts?


RE: Bullsh it
By sprockkets on 3/3/2009 7:19:09 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry Pirks, I DO get the small case. While it will not be as small as the mini, it is small enough to use the standard fans and cables necessary.

Isn't is funny how Pirks makes up 50% of the posts here on Apple threads.


RE: Bullsh it
By Pirks on 3/3/2009 7:23:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
it will not be as small as the mini
This is why it's cheaper. You got it first time.

Isn't is funny how quickly sprockkets learns facts about hardware pricing here on Apple threads.


RE: Bullsh it
By sprockkets on 3/3/2009 8:02:25 PM , Rating: 2
Notice how I didn't hit it on price, just absurd claims of power usage.

Besides, I would have to use a laptop hard drive, and that means less performance and less space.

Still, it is back to its original value from when it first made the jump to Intel processors. But as already mentioned, $200 for an extra GB of RAM and HDD space is again garbage, as well as $100 for 2GB extra of RAM, $100 for a mouse and keyboard. Thankfully you can just get your own.


RE: Bullsh it
By tayhimself on 3/3/2009 6:20:40 PM , Rating: 1
You know how small the mini is right?


Pirks please read
By Whaaambulance on 3/4/2009 6:53:54 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Pirks please read
By Pirks on 3/4/2009 7:37:43 PM , Rating: 2
Ask WinPC fanatics to stfu first. Thanks.


RE: Pirks please read
By gabacus on 3/4/2009 11:23:13 PM , Rating: 2
HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is a great page! It really shows just how stupid people can be! The idea of the article was that PC users can "SHUT THE F*CK UP", but in a surprising twist the writer just could not stfu??!?!?!!!

Here is a clue for all the Mac Community wannabes (and you know you want to)... The reason Mac users talk about Mac's so much is that after years of frustration and disappointment with PC's they finally have a machine that does what they want it to do. When something good happens to you, you want to tell people about it. That is the natural order of things! We just want to rest of you to see the light... But I have a feeling that will not happen as you have all blinded yourselves with a bandana of blazay...


I want the 2008 Mac Pro at closeout prices.
By DEredita on 3/3/2009 12:39:35 PM , Rating: 1
I hope that retailers begin offering the 2008 Mac Pro models at closeout prices, as I would now love to get my hands on one. Dual 2.83 Quad-core Xeons, then upgrade to the 4870 video card, and drop in 24-32GB ram.




RE: I want the 2008 Mac Pro at closeout prices.
By Zensen on 3/3/2009 1:00:16 PM , Rating: 2
DEredita, just some subtle bum action for you, right?


By DEredita on 3/3/2009 1:22:01 PM , Rating: 1
What?

I figure if I can land a Mac Pro for $2200-$2400, for around $3000 - I should be able to upgrade it myself to a 4870 video card and ~ 16GB ram. The oly thing that makes me nervous about the Mac Pro, is that I'd need run a dedicated line from the fuse box to the machine, as it sucks down 12 amps of power at full-load.


iRape
By PlasmaBomb on 3/3/2009 2:31:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
$22,585.90
Ships: 6-8 weeks
Free Shipping
Next business day delivery available


Maxed out with dual 30 inchers this thing is a beast alright...




RE: iRape
By 67STANG on 3/3/2009 6:45:06 PM , Rating: 2
LOL.

For almost $5,000 LESS ($17,685.00), you could get a 2009 Ford Focus, with Microsoft SYNC.


Chalk one up for the Inquirer
By Alpha4 on 3/3/2009 12:09:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The back panel has five USB ports, Gigabit Ethernet, Mini DVI port, FireWire 800 port and a Mini Display Port.
It looks like their discovery was genuine after all! Kudos.




Turbo Boost!!!
By grandpope on 3/3/2009 5:19:41 PM , Rating: 2
What I want to know is if the "button" to press to engage Turbo Boost has a picture of David Hasselhoff on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arL04K3HLMw




Turbo button is back!
By corduroygt on 3/3/2009 7:31:16 PM , Rating: 2
Remember the good old 8086/286/386/486 days?




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