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Replacing your battery will cost $79 plus $6.95 shipping

When the Apple iPhone was first announced, one of the major criticisms of the device was its lack of a user-replaceable battery. With the complaints levied against the batteries used in Apple's iPod music players, the thought of not being able to replace the battery in a cell phone weighed heavily on many minds.

Apple looks to put some of those worries to rest with its announcement of a battery replacement program for the iPhone. Should your iPhone's battery ever need replacement, Apple will do the deed for $79 plus $6.95 shipping. Apple says that the repair will take three business days not counting shipping to and from the repair center.

All data on your iPhone will be erased when you send it off, so Apple suggests that you backup all of your important information with iTunes before sending it off.

Considering that an iPhone sent in for servicing could be out of the owners hand for as much as a week or more (including shipping time), Apple has another program in place for customers. If you absolutely can't live without your iPhone, Apple will rent you an iPhone for $29 while your device is being serviced.

In the end, it seems like a pretty big hassle for what could be accomplished with a simple, user-replaceable battery. Hopefully, Apple will take this into consideration for the 2G iPhone.



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What a rip off!
By nayy on 7/4/2007 5:13:42 PM , Rating: 4
That's almost the cost of a laptop battery!! I know they are charging for the service but why didn't they made it user replaceable to begin with, and how can live over a week with out a cell phone these days.
The batteries better be good or there is going to be a lot of angry people.




RE: What a rip off!
By EndPCNoise on 7/4/2007 5:17:52 PM , Rating: 4
I hope those iPhone fanboys enjoy their phones because they are going to pay and pay and pay...(phone, services, accessories, battery, what's next?)


RE: What a rip off!
By nayy on 7/4/2007 5:23:12 PM , Rating: 5
Well that's the price for being "cool"


RE: What a rip off!
By S3anister on 7/4/07, Rating: -1
RE: What a rip off!
By alifbaa on 7/5/2007 12:29:09 AM , Rating: 5
Regardless of financial status, I can tell you I have a lot better things to do with my time and money than to sit around and wait for a battery to get replaced. There is no way I could tell my work or my clients to not call me on my cell phone for a week because my battery is getting worked on. Then, once I got the phone back, not having any of my data would be an absolute nightmare. And that ignores the issues involved with sending off that data to be handled by who knows who.

Explain to me how this is more "cool" than ordering a battery on line for $25 and switching it out in 15 seconds when it arrives? This has nothing to do with aesthetics. It is a conscious decision made by Apple for the express purpose of squeezing more money out of their customers.

iPhone? I'll pass.


RE: What a rip off!
By conna on 7/5/2007 3:03:08 AM , Rating: 2
It's a rip off. I cannot agree more.
Well, I think Apple is trying to position their products as luxuries. Have anyone complaint about Louis Vuitton handbags a big ripoff? They have good business and ladies are very proud of owning ones. In this consumer market, it used to be Japan Sony, now it's Apple from USA. As long as you can afford it and you are proud of owning one, it worths the money.

I'll pass this time too... because I am waiting for an Iphone which supports 3G network.


RE: What a rip off!
By Chillin1248 on 7/5/2007 3:42:10 AM , Rating: 5
How the hell can anyone want anymore features than the I-Phone has now, I mean its got a shaver!

http://break.com/index/iphone-hidden-features.html

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Chillin


RE: What a rip off!
By theapparition on 7/5/2007 6:11:09 AM , Rating: 3
Of course its a rip off. There's no denying that. It's just following their ipod model of battery replacement and outrageous accessory prices. No surprise there.

However, I think the big picutre here is the phone backup. If the battery dies, will you even be able to backup your phone? Can it be run on USB power without a battery? Until that gets answered, I wouldn't touch it.


RE: What a rip off!
By Oregonian2 on 7/5/2007 2:06:00 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, it's like the iPod. But that's the problem, it isn't one. Being without one's iPod isn't a big deal. Being without one's phone (sometimes one's ONLY phone) for a week IS a big deal. Plus having to back up and restore things as well. So much pain for something so expensive. Pain is supposed be for cheap stuff and what you "pay" for being cheap.


RE: What a rip off!
By HotdogIT on 7/4/2007 6:18:02 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
I hope those iPhone fanboys enjoy their phones because they are going to pay and pay and pay...(phone, services, accessories, battery, what's next?)


As opposed to my PPC-6700, which I got for free from the Sprint Fairy, my free service thanks to Sprint simply giving me minutes, the free accessories I get by being a good person, and the free battery I got by being in the right place at the right time?

How do you think MOST phones work? Everything costs money.


RE: What a rip off!
By defter on 7/5/2007 12:58:05 AM , Rating: 4
Huh? $80 for battery is a rip-off. Genuine Nokia batteries cost around $20-30.....

At least with other phones, I can choose independently the operator. For example under my current plan, my monthly fee is 0, I pay only for outgoing SMSs/calls.


RE: What a rip off!
By mindless1 on 7/6/2007 9:52:28 PM , Rating: 2
And even $20-30 is a ripoff, they really don't have any particularly large expenses that would justify over $12 per. That'd be $10 for the battery and $2 for the custom plastic shell some use.


RE: What a rip off!
By TomZ on 7/7/2007 12:04:45 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Huh? $80 for battery is a rip-off. Genuine Nokia batteries cost around $20-30

You're comparing apples to oranges (sorry, that was bad). Anyway, it's like the difference between going to the auto parts store and paying $7 for oil and a filter and doing the job yourself, or paying a shop $30 to change your car's oil for you.

In other words, for your Nokia battery, you're just popping the back off and changing the battery yourself. For the iPhone, you're talking about them having to receive a shipment, test the phone, take the thing apart, change the battery, put it back together, ship it out, plus pay for the warranty costs of the battery upgrade. All probably done with "expensive" local labor. There's quite a bit more going on there than just swapping a battery.

I'd be willing to bet that Apple makes nothing for that job (they'll probably farm that work out anyway).


RE: What a rip off!
By chick0n on 7/5/2007 8:11:44 AM , Rating: 1
Apple fanboys/girls dont give a damn, they're Apple's bitch.

Apple has a history of bad quality products. but these losers still want to buy their crap.

One of my friend has 5 ipods , yep, 5. I was like, why ? he said because all of them turn dead just right after the first year of warranty is over. I couldnt stop laughing. then I ask why do u still want it ? he said *he does not know any other hdd mp3 player* .... I was like wtf ?

Apple fanboys/girls ...


RE: What a rip off!
By PurdueRy on 7/4/07, Rating: -1
RE: What a rip off!
By TomZ on 7/4/2007 5:35:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Um, do what the world did before cell phones? Use a pay phone or home phone and not drive all over the road while making your "important" calls?

People have adapted their lifestyles and expectations to always being able to reach and be reached by cell phone.

What did the world do before running water? Before TV? Before microwave ovens? Before cars?


RE: What a rip off!
By Zirconium on 7/4/2007 5:41:09 PM , Rating: 2
There are three reasons I can think of off the top of my head for why many people can't live without their cell phones for a week:

1. Some don't have land lines. Also, I haven't seen a pay phone in ages (although I really haven't been looking for them).
2. Suppose you gave someone only your cell phone number and that person needs to get in contact with you urgently?
3. I keep all my contacts on my cell phone. I have this info backed up to my PC, but many people don't know how to do that. For those people, if they are without their cell phone, they won't know the numbers of people they might want to call.

Cell phones have changed the way we communicate, and for some people, it would be very difficult to go back to the way it was before having a phone at your fingertips all the time.


RE: What a rip off!
By Devo2007 on 7/4/2007 6:50:46 PM , Rating: 2
3. I keep all my contacts on my cell phone. I have this info backed up to my PC, but many people don't know how to do that. For those people, if they are without their cell phone, they won't know the numbers of people they might want to call.

The iPhone is not targeted towards these people.... heck, in order to activate the iPhone, you need to connect it to your computer.

Your other points are valid, and that's why Apple does have the loaner option as well. Yes, cell phone companies generally have loaner phones too (possibly for free), but those tend to be crappy phones. At least with that extra $29 option, you can borrow an actual iPhone.


RE: What a rip off!
By jmunjr on 7/6/2007 1:19:19 AM , Rating: 2
What a bunch of tard-cakes. You don't keep these people's phone #s in your head? Holy cow! Before I got my cell I memorized ALL my contacts info. Many hundreds of people. Then I got my cell, and I started to become a mindless sheep. Bahahaha.

Seriously, I finally caught myself after a few months when I could not call someone because I didn't have my cell. Now I purposefully always dial the number when I call someone - I never use my phone book, and I can happily say I know everyone's number by heart - the way it should be.


RE: What a rip off!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 7/4/2007 5:46:08 PM , Rating: 3
Pay phone? I've seen maybe two pay phones in the past two years here in NC. In fact, one time was just a few weeks ago and I was astonished to see it. It was like a relic from the past.

Also, many of use our cell phones as landline replacements.


RE: What a rip off!
By S3anister on 7/4/2007 7:35:49 PM , Rating: 2
In portland, OR where I live they [the city government] is trying to get rid of almost all pay phones. I'll tell you why, it's because the pay phones the majority of the time are being used for illegal planning ie: meth dealer waiting for his buyer.

This is the reality of what they are used for, it's sad but this is one major reason why they are getting rid of them.

The fact that all the people who aren't meth dealers have cell phones doesn't help the keeping of pay phones either.


RE: What a rip off!
By nayy on 7/4/2007 6:09:16 PM , Rating: 2
How did an Amish get into DT?
It doesn´t matter, we welcome you! :D


RE: What a rip off!
By Rovemelt on 7/4/2007 6:24:39 PM , Rating: 5
Eh, I had a cell phone but rarely used it. So I don't own one now. I've seen cell phones cause real problems in families with kids running up huge bills. And they get lost and broken and you're at the mercy of the cellular company not to screw up your bill. And now with Apple, you're at their mercy to fix a problem that should have been addressed before the $600 product was released. For me, a product like this would cause more problems than it would solve.


RE: What a rip off!
By TomZ on 7/4/07, Rating: 0
RE: What a rip off!
By Spivonious on 7/5/2007 9:24:13 AM , Rating: 2
About what, not using a cell phone? I have one (only because my parents get a great deal on the plan) and use maybe 30 minutes a month. I don't need to be contacted everywhere; in fact, I prefer not to be available everywhere I am.

I don't text message because it's a waste of money and far cheaper to call someone. I don't use any of the features of my phone except very rarely the alarm clock feature when I'm staying somewhere that doesn't have an alarm clock.

I'm in the tiny minority of people who dropped the cell phone for a land line. My friends couldn't believe it.

So, TomZ, please elaborate on why you feel a cell phone is indispensable.


RE: What a rip off!
By TomZ on 7/6/2007 11:24:34 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
So, TomZ, please elaborate on why you feel a cell phone is indispensable.

Simple: all the benefits of the phone itself, combined with all the benefits of having it with you anywhere/everywhere, plus the extra features.

You see, it is a paradigm shift - instead of calling a "house" or a "business," you are calling a "person."

So if I want to call my wife, or one of my employees, assuming they can take the call, then I can directly reach them (and vice versa) regardless of my location or their location.

Maybe I'm at a customer, and one of my colleagues is away from their desk, I can reach them to ask and get an immediate for a quick or urgent question. Maybe I'm with the kids at the park and my wife is buying groceries, she can call to ask if we are getting low on milk, or whatever.

Bottom line is personal efficiency. Not to mention the productivity benefits and entertainment benefits of features like texting, scheduling, calendar, contacts, camera, MP3, etc. etc. Landline phones have none of this.

Landlines will go the way of the dinosaur because they cost the same as cell phones but lack the many benefits.


RE: What a rip off!
By TomZ on 7/6/2007 11:26:47 PM , Rating: 2
One more important benefit I forgot: the safety benefit of having a phone with you, to be able to summon help in an emergency. For example, car breaks down, car accident, etc. These are real things that happen all the time.


RE: What a rip off!
By Chernobyl68 on 7/5/2007 1:44:53 PM , Rating: 2
then...don't give your kids cell phones? I cringe when I see all the gradeschoolers running around with cell phones these days...


RE: What a rip off!
By AsicsNow on 7/4/2007 7:58:17 PM , Rating: 2
For the market segment the iPhone is being touted for (business, etc.) not having a cell phone for a whole day, or half a day is unacceptable in a lot of cases. Think before you open your mouth moron. These things are targeted at the portion of the population who had car phones in the late 80s/ early 90s when they were the size of a shoe box.


RE: What a rip off!
By redbone75 on 7/4/2007 11:01:29 PM , Rating: 2
Um... where did you get that Apple was targeting the business market when at launch the device doesn't work with business accounts?


RE: What a rip off!
By mindless1 on 7/6/2007 9:59:45 PM , Rating: 2
If you're dealing with someone so impatient they think you're supposed to drop everything and take their call right that second, you have some kind of sad servant-lack_of_control issues going on there. I dont answer my cell 3/4ths the time, people who call will get gotten back to instead of a phone call constantly interrupting everything I try to do.

Guess what? That same strategy could as easily be used if you only had an answering service, it would just be less convenient for YOU to make calls but as amazing as it seems, businesses survived just fine before everyone had a cell phone.

Not being able to do work without some luxuries is like a mental handicap, an excuse not a valid reason.


RE: What a rip off!
By TomZ on 7/7/2007 12:12:35 AM , Rating: 2
Businesses, and their employees, were also less efficient before they had cell phones. The only reason they exist in the workplace is because of productivity benefits. Otherwise, why would businesses buy them for their employees? Most businesses invest money when they can prove there will be some return on investment.

I also don't get your hangup about answering the phone. I nearly always answer my phone at work, and respond to e-mails right away. It's not a bother at all, and doesn't take any more time to respond right away compared to putting it off. People appreciate the accessibility and timely response, especially customers. Nothing says "I don't care" like a slow or delayed response to an e-mail or phone call.


RE: What a rip off!
By crazyblackman on 7/4/2007 8:14:17 PM , Rating: 1
sounds a lot like a certain rival's strategy. the consumer buys product and is forever in tech support for such product because of a certain design flaw where such product overheats/becomes defective not too long after consumer buys numerous 60 dollar price point games for product and becomes extremely infatuated with such defective product. then company acts like it's no big deal. Gee,I wonder if these very savvy American company owners have ever met before...


RE: What a rip off!
By Spoelie on 7/5/2007 7:57:29 AM , Rating: 2
funny, coz in essence, i do not think there's a lot of difference between a laptop battery and this one. even capacity wise.


RE: What a rip off!
By Madzombie on 7/6/2007 12:23:39 PM , Rating: 2
Even capacity wise? Laptop batteries have capacities many dozens of times that of a phone battery. They are also physically much large, therefore having more raw materials, so cost much more to produce. I think even $20 for a phone battery is steep, as they cost mere dollars to make and distribute, but we have to live with it.


IPhone Parts Cost About $200
By crystal clear on 7/5/2007 6:17:56 AM , Rating: 2

IPhone Parts Cost About $200

People who are starting to feel uneasy about the price they paid for their iPhone may soon become despondent when they find out that a teardown analysis indicates that the cost of materials to make the fancy device was about $200.
Analyst firm Portelligent on Monday said a quick study of the device indicated that the cost of components was about $200 for the $500 iPhone, and about $220 for the $600 phone. The prices for materials, however, are initial estimates. "When we finish, we will have less of a guesstimate and more of a solid estimate," Howard Curtis, VP of global services for Portelligent, told InformationWeek. "It'll take a little time."



http://www.informationweek.com/hardware/showArticl...




By crystal clear on 7/5/2007 7:04:35 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple iPhone margins 55 percent
Reuters
Tuesday, July 3, 2007; 11:38 AM

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The most expensive iPhone model could deliver a profit margin of more than 55 percent for Apple Inc. <AAPL.O> after hardware and manufacturing costs, according to iSuppli, which examined the components of the widely anticipated device.

Apple shares rose more than 4 percent after the research firm said on Tuesday that the hardware and manufacturing cost was $265.83, or almost 45 percent of the $600 retail price for the iPhone model with eight gigabytes of storage.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic...


RE: IPhone Parts Cost About $200
By BMFPitt on 7/5/2007 7:45:39 AM , Rating: 2
I'm all for mocking the iPhone and the people who pay for it, but bringing up the raw manufacturing cost is just silly. The phone has software costs and many other factors. I'm surprised the markup is so low.


RE: IPhone Parts Cost About $200
By crystal clear on 7/5/2007 8:18:46 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The phone has software costs and many other factors


Ok lets give you some benefit of the doubt & add $50 to it-to be generous.
Still after that, see the difference !


RE: IPhone Parts Cost About $200
By Spivonious on 7/5/2007 9:34:58 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget the R&D costs, the marketing costs, the packaging and shipping costs, the support costs, etc.

I'd imagine Apple makes about $40-$50 per phone. Still a 10% markup, but nothing that every other company doesn't also do.


RE: IPhone Parts Cost About $200
By kkwst2 on 7/5/2007 1:31:41 PM , Rating: 2
Uh, no. All those costs would generously take it up to $350 cost, which would still put the margin at around $250. And that doesn't count the chunk of change they got from AT&T for exclusivity. They're making a lot of money on it, significantly higher margins than similar products.

Why? Because they can.


RE: IPhone Parts Cost About $200
By Spivonious on 7/5/2007 3:31:07 PM , Rating: 2
Parts: $250 per phone, 10 million phones = $2.5 billion

I'm sure that the costs invested in making your company's first cell phone are in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Let's just say $500 million for the sake of argument.

You still have to pay marketing, and judging by the slickness of the commercials I'd imagine it cost another few million to produce the ads, and then another few million to get them shown in prime spots. So that's $4 million.

Now you have to pay the people to put the phones together. Since Apple uses Chinese labor for this, we'll say $10 a phone. So for their plan to sell 10 million phones that's $100 million.

Now that the phone is designed, the people know about it, and it's made, we need to ship it. Bulk shipping costs, shipping around to all of the AT&T and Apple stores, let's say $2 a phone for shipping and packaging. That's $20 million.

What happens when someone has a problem with the phone? Gotta pay that support team. Let's say they have 500people employed 24/7 making $15/hour. That's $65 million (and I'm sure there's more than 500 people) for a year.

Okay, so now we've factored in the major costs in producing and supporting the iPhone.

For the first year goal of 10,000,000 phones, it comes to

2500+500+4+100+20+65 = $3.189 billion. Divide that by 10 million phones and we get a cost per phone of $318.90. I imagine that most people will buy the 4GB phone, so let's use an average price of $525 for a phone. So, Apple is making $200 in profit.

I'm sure I missed a few items here, but I'm just trying to show that there's a lot that goes into a product than parts.


By BMFPitt on 7/6/2007 8:05:24 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Now you have to pay the people to put the phones together. Since Apple uses Chinese labor for this, we'll say $10 a phone.
I'd guess closer to $0.10 per phone.


RE: IPhone Parts Cost About $200
By TomZ on 7/6/2007 11:48:36 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Let's just say $500 million for the sake of argument.

Um, no - way too high. $500M would be approx 5000 man-years assuming all expensive U.S. engineering labor. There is no way it would take that long!

Apple spent $36M total company-wide for R&D for the six months ending March 31, 2007. At that rate, it would have taken them about 7 years to design the iPhone, if they spent 100% of their R&D on iPhone, which they didn't.

The real cost is probably in the tens of millions of dollars, I would guess $30-40M, if you assume they spent 1/2 of their R&D budget over the past year.

ref. http://sec.edgar-online.com/2007/05/10/0001104659-...

I think your advertising cost are way off on the low side, but that's another story.

Also, there is no way in hell they will sell 10M iPhones in one year, with their current product/strategy/price. No chance.


maybe NOT an oversight
By rika13 on 7/4/2007 6:45:10 PM , Rating: 3
im thinking this was planned, sorta the old gillette model

give away the base unit and gouge the customer on consumables; something the hemorrhagejet printer industry and sony (really a media company that makes electronics to play its movies, music, and video games on) know all too well




RE: maybe NOT an oversight
By MrTeal on 7/4/2007 6:52:50 PM , Rating: 2
Not quite the same when the razor costs $600 and the blades are $80 a pop.


RE: maybe NOT an oversight
By Devo2007 on 7/4/2007 7:02:45 PM , Rating: 2
You're forgetting one major aspect -- time. The iPhone battery will generally last well over a year.

Yes, I do think Apple should have used a replaceable battery, but it should come as no surprise that they didn't (based on the iPod -- after all, all MP3 players before then used a replaceable battery AFAIK).

Bottom line, for those who don't like having to shell out $80 and be without a phone for a few days, don't get the iPhone -- simple as that. :)


RE: maybe NOT an oversight
By S3anister on 7/4/2007 7:37:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You're forgetting one major aspect -- time. The iPhone battery will generally last well over a year.


Ok i don't know about you but i generally don't get a new phone for atleast two years.


RE: maybe NOT an oversight
By Devo2007 on 7/4/2007 10:43:32 PM , Rating: 2
What I meant was that you can't easily compare the cost of razors and blades, to the cost of the iPhone and replacement battery. The iPhone battery will last a heck of a lot longer than razor blades would (or, to borrow the other analogy here, ink cartridges).


RE: maybe NOT an oversight
By Spivonious on 7/5/2007 9:31:08 AM , Rating: 2
Holy crap dude. I've had the same battery in my cell phone since I got it free with the plan 5 years ago! I hope the iPhone battery lasts longer than one year or there will be a lot of upset customers.


homebrew battery replacement
By Macuser89 on 7/4/2007 10:11:53 PM , Rating: 2
Im sure just like the iPod, there will be companies that seel homebrew battery replacements that work just as good or better than apple batteries. This is just apples answer to battery replacement.




By Macuser89 on 7/4/2007 10:15:30 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry Sell not seel...We need an edit feature.


RE: homebrew battery replacement
By gradoman on 7/5/2007 2:51:45 PM , Rating: 2
I guess you didn't see that article on anandtech.com -- the one where the phone was disassembled and put back together. That didn't turn out too well, hahahah.

Here's to hoping, though, dude!


How?
By Derka on 7/5/2007 12:43:43 AM , Rating: 2
How does replacing a battery wipe the harddrive? Is there something im missing?




RE: How?
By PaxtonFettel on 7/5/2007 4:11:14 AM , Rating: 2
It's probably just like the ipod scam...erm.. I mean scheme. They just send you whatever reconditioned unit is available rather than keeping track of each individual customers phone. probably cuts down down on admin overheads or something.


RE: How?
By Spoelie on 7/5/2007 8:07:39 AM , Rating: 2
I would be concerned if they didn't do it. You're sending in a device which has almost all your personal information, emails, sms, phonebook, notes (pin codes?), (illegal?)mp3 collection, photo's...

Potential of huge privacy issues there, in fact, they should require that you wipe it before you send it off. If your battery is dead, you should still be able to on ac current.

And yes well, it's easier to just send of a replacement after visual inspection that nothing else is broken, and take your time to replace the battery.


ACTUAL battery life
By Procurion on 7/5/2007 7:39:22 AM , Rating: 2
While I don't have one, I would like to hear from AT/other readers about the actual battery life when using ALL of the features of the iPhone on a regular basis.
I cannot realistically believe that the phone transmitter, screen, media player, and other features can be accessed and used regularly for any real length of time-which causes the battery life/replacement issue to became a major player in considering buying one of these...Just because the manufacturer says you'll get "400" recharges doesn't mean that YOU will get that many-it's an estimate which you can bet is optimistic. In addition, each successive charge is incrementally less effective so that the battery life gradually shortens over a period of time. If an "8 hour" life that is really 4 hours degrades over 200 charges, where are you at in 6 months? Most users will be plugging theirs in almost daily-if they're really using them for the multiple features. That's 180 charges in six months-half the battery life, and how effective will the phone be at 350 charges(useless)....scary.




RE: ACTUAL battery life
By hans007 on 7/5/2007 9:37:39 PM , Rating: 2
that is pretty ridiculous. a typical normal cellpohone battery costs like $8.

dailytech makes it sound like apple is doing their customers a favor just by allowing the battery replacement. that is ludicrous.


RE: ACTUAL battery life
By mindless1 on 7/6/2007 10:04:47 PM , Rating: 2
At least there is one consolation, that with the price this ludicrous, there's bound to be a 3rd party source for batteries before long, let's just hope those 3rd parties keep battery QC up enough that there aren't a lot of firey exploding iEars.


only applies if out of warranty
By solgae1784 on 7/4/2007 5:08:52 PM , Rating: 2
This only applies if iPhone goes out of warranty. Meaning, purchasing that AppleCare would be your best bet when buying this.




By solgae1784 on 7/4/2007 5:11:12 PM , Rating: 2
which will be available in July, actually.


wow
By DeepBlue1975 on 7/4/2007 6:18:12 PM , Rating: 2
Not only a very uncomfortable hassle to deal with, but a very expensive ones.
Few times (if ever) have I heard about such an expensive battery replacement for a cell phone...

But don't worry, people will still keep buying iPhones a galore.




RE: wow
By Dactyl on 7/4/2007 6:26:10 PM , Rating: 2
Man is born free and everywhere he is in exclusive-carrier long-term service plans.


Yet another thing that sucks about the iPhone
By Domicinator on 7/4/2007 11:13:40 PM , Rating: 2
Every time one of these iPhone articles pops up (which is every day lately), it just makes me more and more upset that people actually went out and bought these stupid things. I paid $50 after rebates and my company discount for my LG Chocolate, and with the exception of Flash on the internet, it does absolutely everything else that is on the long list of the things the iPhone CAN'T do. Hmmmmm, $50 vs. $600. More features vs. less features. Oh wait, the iPhone has the cool touch screen. WHO CARES????!!!!!

Ok ok, the touch screen is cool. But sheesh, $600 for a phone that doesn't do nearly as many things as a much cheaper or even free phone can do? I think Apple has gone too far on this one, and I really hope they get a backlash from consumers, but they probably won't. Most consumers are more concerned about the cool factor and less concerned about what a product actually does.

I'm a really big gadget/computer geek. I love having a "do everything" phone, a decked out gaming PC, GPS in my car, etc. I frickin' LOVE that stuff. But I also try to be an educated consumer, and if you are an educated consumer of gadgets, you will stay far away from this phone. But then again, Apple doesn't target the educated consumer. They target the people that fall for false advertising and shiny looking plastic boxes. They target people that actually believe Steve Jobs when he tells them that Windows can't display pictures, edit movies, or even surf the web as well as a Mac. Hey, if you're stupid enough to believe that garbage, you DESERVE an iPhone and its crappy battery replacement policy.




By Belard on 7/5/2007 1:56:49 AM , Rating: 2
Didn't you read the review on Anandtech?

iPhone doesn't do anything new - it does things very easy for the end-user. It is stylish, easy to use, multi-functional... I've had/used phones that are horrible.

What makes iPhone also different is that it doesn't seem to come with any Discount like other AT&T/Cingular phones.

Other SMART phones are $350~600 (Such as the Microsoft made AT&T 8525 @ $600) have their issues. So its another choice. I've learned to really HATE Motorola phone - they look so nice and the display quality is top-notch. But their batteries don't last long, the software / UI is pure junk. It takes more extra steps to get jobs done or missing functions that I like. I really like SONY's UI for their "non-smart" phones. It takes minimal presses to get to my functions and how to access the phone book is far easier than Motorola and even Samsung.

For $600, the iPhone has a large screen and a powerful interface. The battery on my smaller phone is $40~60... but I can pick it up anywhere. But I think $80 for a battery you CAN'T replace yourself is stupid. Expect a revised version of the iPhone next year will/should be G3, faster CPU and a simple clips for the battery - which would require even a smaller thinner interior. It takes more space to put a PLASTIC shell over the battery as well as the inside of the case so that when a user opens the back, the electronics are not expsed. Again, AnandTech took one apart and all the space is used for the computer, battery and screen - no room for protective coverings.


Would be a big deal, but...
By redbone75 on 7/4/2007 11:16:20 PM , Rating: 2
You all seem to be forgetting one little thing: By the time you're ready to replace the battery you're probably going to be upgrading your phone, likely to the next revision of the iPhone. Remember, Apple's target market is not "the financially challenged," so if one is complaining about the price of the battery and the cost of a $29 phone rental, that's assuming you don't have a second phone or communications device, then that person is not really in the target market. I, personally, am not in the target market and have not intentions of buying an iPhone, so I don't care one way or the other; however, I do, of course, understand that $600 (plus activation of plan) is quite an investment for the average consumer. I think, though, that Apple's decision to not make the battery replaceable may have been to make the iPhone more rugged. Imagine dropping your new iPhone and breaking the battery cover. Now you have to buy a whole new iPhone, pay for getting it repaired, or hope there is a variety of tape that matches the color of your phone;)




RE: Would be a big deal, but...
By zsdersw on 7/5/2007 6:58:19 AM , Rating: 2
Even the "non-financially challenged" would be hesitant to pay $600 for a phone that's exclusive to one carrier and doesn't have a battery the user can replace.

The "non-financially challenged" didn't get to that level by making a lot of foolish purchases. The way you get to be "non-financially challenged" is by making smart decisions with your money.. not stupid ones.


By kilkennycat on 7/5/2007 2:40:22 AM , Rating: 2
I keep all of my truly-vital phone contacts in both the phone memory and on the sim-chip. Phone or battery fails... just put the sim-chip in an old phone I happen to keep in reserve. Can't do that with the iPhone. Sim-chip not accessible for exchange.




By staypuff69 on 7/5/2007 4:53:14 AM , Rating: 2
hey rocket scientist.... read the article.... you can download everything to itunes before you send it away... sim cards are almost obsolete..... not enough memory.... I have an old phone and download everything to xD card.....

This is besides the point of the fact that this is the most overrated phone in history...

Don't get me wrong this is an incredible phone to use with all kinds of features... right up until the screen needs to be fixed.... lol

the only real drawback is the $600 price tag and the fact that you have to submit to a $60 per month AT&T contract to use it.....

wait until the next upgraded phone.... all the crazies have already bought the initial one and paid for R&D and profit.... the next one will have access to all carriers as well as more advanced features... good luck to all you folks that jumped on the bandwagon early and paid quadruple for a cool phone..... then again not surprising i have an mp3 player that does more than an ipod for half the price too.... but it doesn't come in cool white.... lol


An interesting letter
By crystal clear on 7/5/2007 6:37:24 AM , Rating: 2
Now read this-regarding the iPhone batteries !

Its pdf of a letter sent to Apple & AT&T-

Long letter but interesting-

http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/resources/iPhoneLt...




a slap in the face..
By kenji4life on 7/5/2007 12:28:37 PM , Rating: 2
after paying half a G or more to get their iphone, this is like a slap in the face to send them on their way. They don't even keep your data intact? By adding that disclaimer, they are basically saying that they could be sending you someone else's refurbished phone and you won't be able to tell.




By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/5/2007 1:43:05 PM , Rating: 2
Well if its anything like the iPod (Dunno here) there is a laser etched serial number on the back bottom of the unit that you could take a picture of or write down before sending it to them.


Battery replacement for $86.00....
By croc on 7/4/2007 8:14:09 PM , Rating: 2
OK, that's a realistic price. Actually, in reality, its about $116.00 after the rental plus the hassle of posting and insuring, etc. 20% of the original cost of the phone....

Now how much is it going to cost to port over to a different carrier?




Why, Apple, Why?
By osalcido on 7/4/2007 11:08:06 PM , Rating: 2
Because they can, Timmy!




You're on
By mindless1 on 7/6/2007 10:02:32 PM , Rating: 2
$86

Apple you're on crack. The gotchas just keep adding up until iPhone has become, no longer a status symbol but rather a symbol of owner stupidity.




Deja vu
By WileCoyote on 7/4/07, Rating: 0
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