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The distortion field is failing Capt'n! She can't take much more of it!

Apple, Inc. (AAPL) released a lengthy press statement in the wake of the revelation that iOS devices (iPad, iPhone) were storing details about their users' locations thousands of times daily.  The release follows international investigations into Apple by the U.S. government and several other nations.

In the release Apple amazingly admits it was wrong.  It says that it did not intend for the phones to plots users' position when Location Services were disabled.  It writes:

7. When I turn off Location Services, why does my iPhone sometimes continue updating its Wi-Fi and cell tower data from Apple’s crowd-sourced database?

It shouldn’t. This is a bug, which we plan to fix shortly (see Software Update section below).

Apple claims its intentions were pure in implementing the database -- to improve signal capturing.  And while it says the database can pinpoint a user's location within a small radius, it's maintaining a database of Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers at your current location.  

The company writes:

3. Why is my iPhone logging my location?

The iPhone is not logging your location. Rather, it’s maintaining a database of Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers around your current location, some of which may be located more than one hundred miles away from your iPhone, to help your iPhone rapidly and accurately calculate its location when requested. Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites, and even triangulate its location using just Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data when GPS is not available (such as indoors or in basements). These calculations are performed live on the iPhone using a crowd-sourced database of Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data that is generated by tens of millions of iPhones sending the geo-tagged locations of nearby Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers in an anonymous and encrypted form to Apple.

4. Is this crowd-sourced database stored on the iPhone?

The entire crowd-sourced database is too big to store on an iPhone, so we download an appropriate subset (cache) onto each iPhone. This cache is protected but not encrypted, and is backed up in iTunes whenever you back up your iPhone. The backup is encrypted or not, depending on the user settings in iTunes. The location data that researchers are seeing on the iPhone is not the past or present location of the iPhone, but rather the locations of Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers surrounding the iPhone’s location, which can be more than one hundred miles away from the iPhone. We plan to cease backing up this cache in a software update coming soon (see Software Update section below).

In short, based on what Apple is telling the public, it was only trying to help customers, not track them.  The news follows a similar announcement by Apple's CEO, Steve Jobs, who recently wrote a customer telling them that Apple was not collecting the information its devices were storing.

However, it is baffling how Apple would not notice that the software switch to turn off Location Services wasn't working.  This bug represents a privacy risk and led to Apple inadvertently misinforming customers for almost a year.

Apple says it plans to issue an update "[s]ometime in the next few weeks", which will disable the copying of a backup of the database to your computer, will reduce the database's size, and will properly delete it when you turn off locations services. 

The company is facing a class action lawsuit on behalf of customers who want refunds and punitive damages after discovering about the violation of privacy.



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Oh my god!
By Tony Swash on 4/27/11, Rating: 0
RE: Oh my god!
By morphologia on 4/27/2011 2:57:06 PM , Rating: 5
So, you're saying that you know it's not a problem because Apple customers aren't freaking out enough? If it was the government doing this you'd be spitting bile and venom, ranting and raving about rights, but because it's the Holy Order of the Pale Fruit, it's OK?

All any company needs in order to thrive at an obscenely massive profit margin despite glaring flaws, is to have a few thousand customers like you. They don't even need to make much of an effort, so long as they have your unconditional love and fanatical faith.

That 1980s Apple commercial has finally come true, only now it's Steveus Christ up on the monitor blathering about obedience and conformity, and all the people in the crowd are wearing white headphones and holding bland, identical devices with half-eaten fruit logos on them.


RE: Oh my god!
By xti on 4/27/2011 3:10:42 PM , Rating: 1
not everyone cares that their "info" is recorded. I personally could care less, someone benefits off my existence, without me trying.

it happens now anyways, and i seem to be fnie.


RE: Oh my god!
By morphologia on 4/27/2011 3:27:37 PM , Rating: 5
I know it seems nitpicky, but when you say "I could care less" that doesn't really mean anything. If you say "I couldn't care less," then that actually tells us something useful.

My point was that using Apple fans' reactions as the sole basis of judging the problem is not accurate, because they tend to refuse to admit that Apple ever doesn anything wrong.


RE: Oh my god!
By MechanicalTechie on 4/28/2011 11:26:42 PM , Rating: 2
Wow your just either totally igornant or mind bogglingly stupid. It's people like you that allow companies to take liberties with OUR personal information. Do us all a favour and never vote!!!


RE: Oh my god!
By Tony Swash on 4/27/2011 7:03:07 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
So, you're saying that you know it's not a problem because Apple customers aren't freaking out enough? If it was the government doing this you'd be spitting bile and venom, ranting and raving about rights, but because it's the Holy Order of the Pale Fruit, it's OK?

All any company needs in order to thrive at an obscenely massive profit margin despite glaring flaws, is to have a few thousand customers like you. They don't even need to make much of an effort, so long as they have your unconditional love and fanatical faith.

That 1980s Apple commercial has finally come true, only now it's Steveus Christ up on the monitor blathering about obedience and conformity, and all the people in the crowd are wearing white headphones and holding bland, identical devices with half-eaten fruit logos on them.


Do you own an iPhone - if you don't why do you care?

Work out what is really bothering you. As far as I can see the issue is that the cache of data about which network mast or wifi hotspot you have accessed on your phone is being retained for too long. This is a bug. Bugs happen. Get over it.

All phones, including all Android phones, collect the same sort of data but as far as we know the Android phones have better cache deletion system. Apple will fix this bug soon.

In the mean time what harm has been done? Unless you are are a spy or criminal who really cares enough about where you have been to bother hacking your phone or computer to check your movements. Apple doesn't care and doesn't know where you are or have been because the user id is scrambled. Apple is interested in patterns of use not individuals. Imagine what would be involved in tracking the individual movements of 80 million iPhone users - an impossibly gigantic task with no purpose.

This story has legs and fascinates and energises people like you because it is Apple and Apple fascinates and energises people. In a few weeks it will be forgotten.

Take a nap, calm down, buy an iPad - you will feel better :)


RE: Oh my god!
By semiconshawn on 4/27/2011 8:04:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Imagine what would be involved in tracking the individual movements of 80 million iPhone users - an impossibly gigantic task with no purpose.


Yeah it was such an impossible gigantic task they did it by mistake perfectly. C'mon they got caught gave a lame excuse and are going to fix it. Same thing happens with my 10 year old kid. Until you get punished for lying it just gets easier to do and believe. Apple makes nice stuff. Period. Their one and only concern for you is to separate you from your money. Period. Buy the tech if you want its good, but don't be stupid enough to buy the corporate BS please.


RE: Oh my god!
By chick0n on 4/27/2011 9:06:13 PM , Rating: 3
why u even bother to reply Tony's post? he is one of the biggest retard ... I mean Apple fan on DT


RE: Oh my god!
By semiconshawn on 4/27/2011 11:54:49 PM , Rating: 2
my bad


RE: Oh my god!
By themaster08 on 4/28/2011 3:29:53 AM , Rating: 2
Everyone knows Apple is wrong. Apple themselves have admitted to being wrong. Its fans are still unable to fathom putting Apple and wrong into the same sentence.

Go figure.


RE: Oh my god!
By Tony Swash on 4/28/2011 9:42:57 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Everyone knows Apple is wrong. Apple themselves have admitted to being wrong. Its fans are still unable to fathom putting Apple and wrong into the same sentence.

Go figure.


Depends what you mean. Apple say 'sorry we made a mistake it was a bug -- we will sort it out. By the way we don't collect data which can identify the location of specific individuals'.

That seems clear cut and a not very big deal. Lots of people, most of whom I presume do not actually own Apple products as the company obviously infuriates them, say its a big deal. Why?

Do you think Apple is lying and has actually been collecting the details of individual's movements and locations in a way that could actually track individuals? That's a pretty giant piece of work, must take lots of resources, is there any evidence Apple have actually done this? Why would they do it? How could such a vast undertaking be exploited commercially?

As soon as the story broke I downloaded the app so I could read my own stored data on my iPhone. I was duly presented with a map showing in a very broad brush fashion my movements over the last few months. I spend most of my time in central London and once week take a journey out to it's south western suburbs. I zoomed in the map and noticed the location pins were not very accurate, just broadly in the right area but not actually showing any detail about where I had been.

And that was it.

I almost immediately lost interest.

I would prefer, if pressed, not to be tracked in this way but it doesn't bother me and I am happy to wait for a bug fix to sort it. Obviously if I had been travelling to south west London to screw my mistress and if I thought my wife might download the app, get hold of my iPhone and look at the map I might have been a bit more bothered. Most people won't be worried about stuff like that.

For the vast bulk of Apple customers this is not a big deal. It's not even a small deal. It's a non-deal.

It reminds me of antennagate when the people most frothing at the mouth about it were people who didn't actually own iPhones. Why? What sort of bizarre emotional investment is involved in getting het up about a feature or a fault in a product you don't own? Seems a bit odd and unhealthy to me


RE: Oh my god!
By Motoman on 4/27/2011 4:46:12 PM , Rating: 2
The fact that Apple sales don't decline every time they do something stupid...which is constantly...says nothing about Apple, and infinite amounts about Apple consumers.


Half the truth is worse then a lie?
By maven81 on 4/27/2011 10:33:30 AM , Rating: 5
"These calculations are performed live on the iPhone using a crowd-sourced database of Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data that is generated by tens of millions of iPhones sending the geo-tagged locations of nearby Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers in an anonymous and encrypted form to Apple."

So that right there admits that they DO collect data from the phones. Oh sure they say it's anonymous and encrypted, but clearly the fanboys that kept saying no data gets sent to apple are full of it.
Now here's the interesting part... they say the database is there just to provide a list of closest hotspots. But if that was all it was for why would it need to log your location? It would be used to triangulate your location, but what would be the point of storing that data, so that it remembers where it is if you turn the phone off and back on? Come on!




RE: Half the truth is worse then a lie?
By tekzor on 4/27/2011 11:30:18 AM , Rating: 2
the point is that your location data is going to be part of a new apple magical location system that will be enabled in the future. Because apple isnt using your data now makes it not at fault.
Leave apple alone!


By Solandri on 4/27/2011 12:21:37 PM , Rating: 2
The system is already live. Went live in April 2010.
http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002145.h...

They need to continuously download new WiFi data to keep the map database updated though. So yeah, this fix isn't going to stop the phones from reporting their positions (anonymously) to Apple. All it'll probably do is make it respect the user's Location Services setting, and reduce the cache size from "forever" to a few days or weeks.


By marvdmartian on 4/27/2011 2:49:48 PM , Rating: 2
Mmmm-hmmmm.....funny how it went from "this isn't happening, REALLY!", to "It's just a bug, we'll fix it sometime soon".

Not too dissimilar to "You're holding it wrong".


RE: Half the truth is worse then a lie?
By OCNewbie on 4/27/2011 5:27:15 PM , Rating: 3
than


By chagrinnin on 4/27/2011 8:45:15 PM , Rating: 2
then


RE: Half the truth is worse then a lie?
By name99 on 4/27/2011 10:09:33 PM , Rating: 2
OMG --- and you know what's even worse? I heard that the cell companies keep a record of EVERY PHONE NUMBER YOU HAVE EVER CALLED!!!
And they don't even keep it secret --- they send it out in public every month in a non-encrypted form, on paper that anybody can read, without even special equipment!


By Alexstarfire on 4/28/2011 2:46:26 AM , Rating: 2
Difference being that if someone other than the intended person reads it without consent it's a federal crime.


I don't want them to fix it yet!
By michael2k on 4/27/2011 11:43:52 AM , Rating: 2
Not before I can geotag all my photos with this data!

I was actually looking for a program to do this, and I was ecstatic to find out my phone did it for free. To actually have a program do this means it runs in the background sucking down power (reducing my battery life by 15%), whereas this feature (bug if you wish) is free.




RE: I don't want them to fix it yet!
By SilthDraeth on 4/27/2011 1:00:55 PM , Rating: 2
Except it too is sucking down power, just you are already used to its power usage.


RE: I don't want them to fix it yet!
By michael2k on 4/27/2011 3:26:01 PM , Rating: 2
You really can't turn this feature off as the GPS location of a phone is kind of a requirement of all the 911 laws out there. At any point the phone is on and a call is made, it needs to know where it is.


RE: I don't want them to fix it yet!
By semiconshawn on 4/27/2011 8:24:59 PM , Rating: 2
What the hell are you talking about? So if I call 911 on my back up cell phone with no gps I will be breaking the Law? There is no requirement for your cell phone to have or use gps to call 911.


RE: I don't want them to fix it yet!
By semiconshawn on 4/27/2011 8:28:17 PM , Rating: 2
IF your phone has gps it "should" turn on if you call 911. That is a simple switch. You dont think the company responsible for the iOS software could program the gps to come on with the emergency call?


By Alexstarfire on 4/28/2011 3:12:29 AM , Rating: 2
They could, but that was not what he was arguing.


Wait a minute here...
By Some1ne on 4/27/2011 6:25:57 PM , Rating: 4
Didn't Steve Jobs go on record just a day or two ago stating that the iPhone does not track any location information? Because that doesn't seem to be what the company is saying now.

I think that if an executive officer of a public company attempts to deliberately mislead consumers about the nature of the company's product(s), then they need to be held accountable. How about some justice for Mr. Jobs?




RE: Wait a minute here...
By sprockkets on 4/27/2011 10:28:08 PM , Rating: 2
He didn't mislead anyone. He just said his iphone does not track any information.

Seriously, I bet if someone where to steal his phone, they would find it running the same privileges as a jail broken phone.


RE: Wait a minute here...
By sprockkets on 4/27/2011 10:32:18 PM , Rating: 2
were, not where

dang it


And Android?
By RjBass on 4/27/2011 10:06:10 AM , Rating: 2
I just hope my Android phone isn't doing the same thing.




RE: And Android?
By SkullOne on 4/27/2011 10:39:32 AM , Rating: 5
Where have you been? Google does this and everybody knows it. You opt-in every time you turn on location services. They only store something like the last 48 hours and they don't track if location services are off.

Apple on the other hand have a "bug" (BULLCRAP) so that they continue to track you even after you turn off location services.

Again the issue isn't that we're being tracked. The issue here is Apple tracked you without your permission. Why the iCult wants to give them a pass on this is beyond me. Then again the iCult did give them a pass on proven antenna design defect as soon as they were given a free case.


sure
By Shadowmaster625 on 4/27/2011 10:16:15 AM , Rating: 5
I'm from the Apple and I'm here to help you.




Customers vs. worshippers
By morphologia on 4/27/2011 2:47:23 PM , Rating: 5
It's funny and disturbing how the people who should care about this are actively, almost feverishly, blowing it off and downplaying it. Sony gets hacked and doesn't tell their customers for a week, and they're the devil incarnate. Apple misled their flock (intentionally or not) for a year or so regarding their devices tracking customer travel patterns, and all most of their faithful say is "Pshaw, weren't nothin' to be afeard of..."

Then they try to equally demonize the competition (Android) despite the fact that the similar feature the competition has is (1) optional, (2) customer controlled, and (3) temporary.

I guess the difference is the gap between customer relations and religious worship...Apple is God to their devoted followers. And not exactly a benevolent and generous God...we're talking about televangelist-style-extortion God here.




Vague
By AssBall on 4/27/2011 10:05:47 AM , Rating: 2
In typical Apple-lawyer fashion, nothing they say doesn't come with a loop-hole built in. Sounds like the same stuff they were saying during the ibrick fiasco.




OMG
By Dr of crap on 4/27/2011 10:48:44 AM , Rating: 2
Apple admitts to a wrong doing - is the sky falling!

Maybe you just aren't holding the thing right!




Marketing at its best...
By vortmax2 on 4/27/2011 11:01:48 AM , Rating: 2
3. Why is my iPhone logging my location?

The iPhone is not logging your location. Rather, it’s maintaining a database of Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers around your current location, some of which may be located more than one hundred miles away from your iPhone, to help your iPhone rapidly and accurately calculate its location when requested.




Decoding Apple...
By transamdude95 on 4/27/2011 5:05:53 PM , Rating: 2
After running all text Apple provided through a very thorough decrypting program, the following is what came out:

"We made a slight miscalculation in our programming that allowed the tracking data to be found. We will fix this so that you are not able to find we are tracking you. You're welcome."




The real truth
By thomp237 on 4/27/2011 7:34:37 PM , Rating: 2
I hope you all understand that this is just the first step in iLocation. By saving your location data and utilizing an advanced algorithm, soon Apple will be able to tell you where you should be at any moment. No more needing to think for yourself. No more decisions to make. Just turn on your iPhone/iPad and iLocation will tell you where you need to be.

Like this Thursday you need to be at the Apple store so you can buy the White iPhone 4.




Big picture
By chagrinnin on 4/27/2011 8:53:04 PM , Rating: 2
Stevie sends free iPods, iPhones, and iPads to the President and members of congress,...pretty much anyone he wants to keep tabs on. Mr. Schmidt's probably regifting his iCrap right now. :P




I found the "bug"
By abscode on 4/28/2011 12:52:39 AM , Rating: 2
if (iPhone.On == true)
{
iPhone.Location.Track(this);
}




Invalid Cases
By Ilfirin on 4/28/2011 10:21:05 AM , Rating: 2
Since it's only keeping track of Wifi locations around you and not actually you, doesn't this make any charges brought up on anyone as a result of police reading the data null & void?

I mean, they can no longer conclusively put you 'at the scene of the crime' if the data is accurate up to +- 100 miles.




Oh give me a break.
By MeesterNid on 4/27/11, Rating: -1
RE: Oh give me a break.
By JasonMick (blog) on 4/27/2011 10:12:07 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
This is probably something like 90% sensationalism and 10% actual privacy risk.


Spoken like a person of blind Apple faith.

So if you're so okay with that feature, why don't you post a list here of detailed locations of where you and your family members have been over the last several months??

I mean no harm could come out of say, a stalker, knowing where you go every day and when, right?

Admit it, Apple screwed up. Apple even admitted that! Why can't you?


RE: Oh give me a break.
By mcnabney on 4/27/2011 10:33:29 AM , Rating: 5
I totally agree.

Apple is lying.

They might not have had plans on what to do with the data. But they knew that accumulating the whereabouts and movement patterns of all of their customers OVER THE YEARS (since the data is moved from device to device) is worth something.

Those files, which reside on both the device and any computer that the device syncs with (iTunes). I imagine that it can be 'called home' at any time. So Apple is just 'farming' data and apparently this was caught before harvest time.

So if Steve wanted to know where Anand is around 8pm on a Thursday he could pull the data and find out where his phone was at 8pm on every Thursday. That type of tracking is unheard of in all of history.


RE: Oh give me a break.
By BSMonitor on 4/27/11, Rating: 0
RE: Oh give me a break.
By JasonMick (blog) on 4/27/2011 10:59:52 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Microsoft and Google also acknowledged that their phones also track wi-fi and cell tower locations in a similar manner. Yet, the news is APPLE is being sued.. APPLE is screwing you over... So laughable.


Please stop the FUD.

The facts:
1. Google and Microsoft's code to turn off Locations Services PROPERLY WORKED.
2. Both companies did store some information in a local database, but it was frequently purged and the size was kept small -- thus the net privacy risk was low.
3. Apple, by contrast stored a database of all location-specific info for the device's entire lifetime -- hence the privacy risk was quite large.

quote:
Likely it is a common practice among these smart phone OS developers and it's easy to take shots at the top dog.


WTH? Apple is hardly the top dog... it trails far behind Google in market share, and is expected to trail Microsoft, once Nokia's conversion from Symbian is complete.


RE: Oh give me a break.
By kingmotley on 4/27/2011 12:37:29 PM , Rating: 3
There is still a much larger number of iOS enabled devices than Android ones in the market place. Yes, droids are out selling iPhones, but it'll still be a while before they actually have more out there.


RE: Oh give me a break.
By messele on 4/27/11, Rating: 0
RE: Oh give me a break.
By mcnabney on 4/27/2011 1:53:14 PM , Rating: 3
Google makes plenty of money on Android, even giving it away for nothing. And you really don't understand the market segmentation that Google allows. You see, not everyone wants a premium smartphone. Some people want to save a few bucks or add a physical keyboard. That is the benefit of Android. They have a device for every price point.

And also, market share is everything. You might notice that there isn't much going on with WinPhone7 or WebOS. No market share, not much development. Don't get me wrong, I think iOS is a fine product. Not too fond of some features and the dependency on iTunes, but as a product it works great.


RE: Oh give me a break.
By messele on 4/27/2011 3:21:15 PM , Rating: 1
Market share is a representation of what is happening in this instant in time. You could have a crappy market share but a huge existing user base or vice versa so really market share is of little consequence to the end user.

Turnover for vanity / profit for sanity. Your point is exactly the same as the one I am trying to make. Nobody cares that Android is installed on every cheap piece of shit or not, what everybody is talking about is the premium end, the cutting edge and this so called "market share" measure does nothing but flatter something that in reality is not making many people a great deal of money. Installed user base could be 99% low end phones, could be 99% high end but nobody seems to be talking about that but only headcounts, well of course Android is going to have a vast growing user base if it's being given away for free!

Everybody knows that Google makes a great deal of money via Android eventually but we are talking about the "point of sale" for a handset. At that point in time Google has physically sold nothing of any tangible value so this talk of market share is even more nonsensical. The hardware partners are obviously making a tidy profit but nobody talks about them.


RE: Oh give me a break.
By Alexstarfire on 4/28/2011 3:17:18 AM , Rating: 2
How can you have crap marketshare but huge userbase? They represent the same thing.


RE: Oh give me a break.
By messele on 4/28/2011 1:48:03 PM , Rating: 2
I did explain in my post but let's recap as I already knew many do not understand the difference and the point has just been raised. I'm not going to be mocking about it either, the difference is very important.

The iPhone had a head start on Android. By the time Android was launched lets agree for the purpose of this explanation that iPhone already had lots of owners (that's the userbase) and was still selling lots of phones at that point in time (that's the market share).

Android comes along. It has a rubbish userbase as it's brand new but it's market share is ok as people like it so it sells well from the start.

Apple continues to sell lots of phones, but the market share has already shrunk a little as Android is now on the scene (market share is your sales at a given point in time or a period, such as a month. This is a percentage term usually). Apple has an even bigger user base but Android is getting steadily bigger.

Fast forward to present - Android are on way more handsets being sold every day (market share) but because it's only recent that they have overtaken Apple and Apple have been doing it longer, they still have a much bigger userbase.

So the two terms have different meanings and are not interchangeable.

Market share is what you are doing now (i.e. sales).
Userbase is what you have already done.


RE: Oh give me a break.
By robadawb on 4/27/2011 11:05:05 AM , Rating: 2
"Unlike Apple's iOS 4, however, Android and Windows Phone 7 do not create and store the same kind of lengthy and historical database (consolidated.db) that can be read off of iPhone, iPad and iTunes to see where the Apple user has been."

Out of curiosity, do you even read the articles that you post?


RE: Oh give me a break.
By Solandri on 4/27/2011 4:25:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
quote:
So if you're so okay with that feature, why don't you post a list here of detailed locations of where you and your family members have been over the last several months??
Ok. How do I get the list?

It's in Library/Caches/locationd/consolidated.db on the iPhone. A copy gets written to your Mac/PC every time you sync iTunes on the iPhone.

You can read the file (or the iTunes version, I'm not sure. I don't have an iPhone so I can't do any of this myself) with this app:
http://petewarden.github.com/iPhoneTracker/
quote:
Microsoft and Google also acknowledged that their phones also track wi-fi and cell tower locations in a similar manner. Yet, the news is APPLE is being sued.. APPLE is screwing you over... So laughable.

Google and Microsoft doing it is not news since they've said from the beginning that they do it (you get a big warning about location based services when asked to turn it on). Finding out that Apple is doing it is news since they claimed they weren't doing it.


RE: Oh give me a break.
By MeesterNid on 4/27/11, Rating: 0
RE: Oh give me a break.
By AssBall on 4/27/2011 11:18:06 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
But hey, don't let rational thought stop you from a frenzy of conspiratorial theories


The thing here is, however, that a line has to be drawn somewhere concerning privacy rights. As a society we agreed on where that line stands, and made rules to uphold and it.

That line was knowingly crossed by a corporation, and crossed in an underhanded dishonest fashion. You can't just stand aside and let them get away with breaking rules.


RE: Oh give me a break.
By chagrinnin on 4/27/2011 12:13:51 PM , Rating: 3
Stockers? Have you ever been stocked?...on a shelf? :P


RE: Oh give me a break.
By XZerg on 4/27/2011 2:16:39 PM , Rating: 2
You do realize that he has a point. When the vast majority of the users out there are more than willing to put their entire life story on YouTube and Facebook and similar services, how much worse can this be in comparison. I realize that the set of iphone users is not equal to youtube or facebook users, not a full subset of either or vice versa, but the point still remains - the vast majority of the populace has gone about posting pretty much 100% of their life and others that they come across - how much privacy is left to be opened up? You have very little control over who puts your pictures or information on the net and can do very little about it once it is up there.

So privacy - no matter how much you try - is and will be a pipe-dream in near future. These companies are just moving forward to capitalize this opportunity before others do.


RE: Oh give me a break.
By Shadowself on 4/27/2011 2:33:23 PM , Rating: 2
Why don't YOU admit it... Apple is not doing what you claim!

quote:
So if you're so okay with that feature, why don't you post a list here of detailed locations of where you and your family members have been over the last several months??


Aple is not logging "detailed locations" of the iPhone users. It is logging the locations of the accessed cell towers and WiFi hotspots. While the WiFi hotspots are typically short range (but not always with relays and boosters), cell towers can be miles from your actual location. The way you state it, i.e., "detailed locations" implies that Apple is logging the exact GPS or AGPS locations of the phone itself even though you know this is not true.

You are just hyping this no differently than the rest of the Apple bashers.


RE: Oh give me a break.
By morphologia on 4/27/2011 3:03:10 PM , Rating: 2
And you're playing it down just like any Mac-avellian acolyte.

You focus on how it's not as bad as we're making it seem, but you ignore the fact that Apple claimed for quite a while that it wasn't happening...until it was publicly pointed out to them that they were wrong. So, whether they were incompetent and didn't know, or deceptive and did know but lied about it, either way that's FAIL.


RE: Oh give me a break.
By SkullOne on 4/27/2011 10:41:42 AM , Rating: 2
Apple is so full of crap it's not even funny. They got caught red handed and now they're back peddling. To top it off Lord and Master Job's himself lied about this.

When will the iCult realize it isn't all unicorns and rainbows and that Apple isn't saintly?


RE: Oh give me a break.
By messele on 4/27/2011 12:58:59 PM , Rating: 2
It's true - minority, not-very-good website who just aggregate from everybody else, says so.

Funny how this story has changed since the other day too now that the journo (heh) has actually grasped what these location services are actually intended for but don't let blind brand hatred get in the way of informing in a helpful way.


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