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Anonymous says its members should be free to DDOS websites as they please.  (Source: Wikimedia Commons)

Anonymous calls Paypal "corrupt" for refusing to support Wikileaks and cooperating with the FBI in arresting members associated with the attacks.  (Source: Furious Fanboys)

Anonymous takes credit for an eBay stock drop, failing to recognize that the drop was due to a poor earnings report.   (Source: Crescent State Bank)
Group claims drop was due to its boycott of "corrupt" Paypal, says DDOS attacks are not illegal

The hacker group Anonymous has yet again struck out at eBay Inc. (EBAY) subsidiary Paypal.  

I. "It's My Party, and I Can DDOS if I Want to"

The large group of international hackers [1][2][3]  and internet enthusiasts has been at odds with the e-payment service ever since last year, when it severed funding to Wikileaks citing violations of the terms of service, which forbid funding to be used in support of criminal activity.  

Anonymous responded with distributed denial of service attacks.  Its thousands of members directed their Low Orbit Ion Cannon (LOIC) programs to spam Paypal's servers with requests, which succeeded in temporarily slowing or crashing Paypal's services.

Following those attacks, fourteen alleged Anonymous members were arrested by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation.  Among those includes Mercedes Haefer, a 20 year old female Las Vegas, Nevada college student who ensorcelled internet observers.

Now Anonymous and its daughter organization LulzSec [1][2][3][4][5][6][7] [8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15] are calling jointly for a boycott of all Paypal services in response to the arrests.  The organization writes:
Many of the already-apprehended Anons are being charged with taking part in DDoS attacks against corrupt and greedy organizations, such as PayPal.

What the FBI needs to learn is that there is a vast difference between adding one's voice to a chorus and digital sit-in with Low Orbit Ion Cannon, and controlling a large botnet of infected computers. And yet both of these are punishable with exactly the same fine and sentence.
...
Quite simply, we, the people, are disgusted with these injustices. We will not sit down and let ourselves be trampled upon by any corporation or government. We are not scared of you, and that is something for you to be scared of. We are not the terrorists here: you are.
In short, Anonymous is arguing that distributed denial of service (DDOS) using the LOIC is a protest, not a cyber attack, and people should be free to DDOS with LOIC as they please (even if it disrupts businesses).  Of course they'd likely feel a bit different about the superior DDOS application XerXes, which was employed by a hactivist calling himself th3j35t3r ("The Jester") to take down Anonymous's beloved Wikileaks last year.

Anonymous warns Paypal via Twitter, "Our most dangerous weapons is (sic) neither ddos nor hacks.  It's angry citizens who feel naturally allied with us.  Expect us. #AntiSec #OpPayPal"

II. Stock Drop -- Not the Work of Anonymous

Yesterday eBay stock took 3 percent nose dive and Anonymous tried to take credit for it, cheering, "Final Standing: 33.36 -1.06 (-3.08%) That's about 1.000.000.000 lost in share value | Thanks, Mateys! | Who won?"

The group suggested that they could drop the stock to as low as $20 per share -- a fall of almost a third.  

However, such claims seem opportunistic and unrealistic, given that eBay just reported disappointing earnings.  While the earnings showed strong growth, earnings per share fell a cent short of the average analyst prediction, leading to the stock decline.

As of yesterday Anonymous was crowing about "tens of thousands" of Paypal accounts being deactivated.  If this is accurate, Paypal should hardly be concerned -- it has over 100 million accounts.  Of course, thanks to the convenient timing of the stock right after an earnings report, Anonymous can claim credit for the drop.

Surprisingly some news sites, such as NeoWin even believed the rhetoric.  The site, apparently oblivious of the earnings disappointment, wrote:
The boycott can be linked with a stock crash of their parent company Ebay which has already dropped ~3%. It’s expected that it will fall even more as more and more people follow the actions of others and deactivate their accounts.
If there's one thing Anonymous may have legitimately done, it's overloading Paypal's account deactivation page.  As of yesterday the page was down, though deactivations were proceeding via the service's phone line -- +1-888-221-1161.  

This is understandable, though, as the service likely only experiences a small number of deactivations on any given day.


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Out to Lunch
By Flunk on 7/28/2011 9:17:00 AM , Rating: 5
Statements like that, about DDoS attacks not being illegal, just show how completely ignorant of the law some people are. I feel kinda bad for these kids when they grow up and have to live with their criminal record for the rest of their lives.




RE: Out to Lunch
By AssBall on 7/28/2011 9:33:13 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, no kidding. How do they not understand that it is pretty much the same as vandalism. DDoS attacks cost money to businesses and the people that work for them. That's why it is illegal.

That statement really was retarded.


RE: Out to Lunch
By robinthakur on 7/29/2011 8:19:36 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with you, but how is that different to a peaceful protest in physical form, where people might protest outside a physical bricks and mortar store and put people off going in, thereby losing the company money. This might be illegal now in the US under the patriot act (possibly?), but is still legal in the UK and the rest of the western world.


RE: Out to Lunch
By Steve1981 on 7/29/2011 9:00:57 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
how is that different to a peaceful protest in physical form, where people might protest outside a physical bricks and mortar store and put people off going in


A physical protest attempts to stop people by spreading a message that convinces them not to shop at Store X, not through physical force. People can still shop at Store X if they don't agree with or don't care about the cause. A DDOS attack attempts to stop people from shopping at Store X, period. No reason given to those turned away and no choice in the matter.

Moreover, an effective physical protest can't really be on store property (else they could be lawfully removed), nor can they really attempt to damage store property (else they could be arrested). A DDOS attack violates store property.


RE: Out to Lunch
By JayWiz on 7/29/2011 2:16:28 PM , Rating: 2
Also Civil Disobedience does not take place anonymously or use stooges to do the work. The hackers who are doing this are anonymous and/ or use zombies (stooges) for their own work. Being in a cause means being known. Ask the ciil rights activists how well anonymous works.


RE: Out to Lunch
By tng on 7/28/2011 9:41:55 AM , Rating: 2
Don't think that it matters, criminal records make problems for those who want to be socially acceptable, and it is obvious that most of these people probably don't have that desire.

quote:
The group suggested that they could drop the stock to as low as $20 per share -- a fall of almost a third.
I think that if they could have done this, the already would have.


RE: Out to Lunch
By TryToThink on 7/28/11, Rating: -1
RE: Out to Lunch
By Fritzr on 7/28/2011 10:47:52 AM , Rating: 2
They are not being fired at. They are simply arrested and charged with violating the law. Similar to what happens to protesters who try to block access to the target business instead of simply getting their message heard by shouting at or being seen by those going past the protest.


RE: Out to Lunch
By Steve1981 on 7/28/2011 10:51:19 AM , Rating: 3
Of course there are several significant differences between a strike and a DDOS attack as well, the most pertinent being that striking employees cannot legally stop you from crossing a picket line (nor should they be able to), although they can certainly persuade you not to via guilt trip.


RE: Out to Lunch
By ipay on 7/28/11, Rating: -1
RE: Out to Lunch
By Steve1981 on 7/28/2011 1:23:30 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Statements like yours show how completely ignorant of the technical difficulties that exist in discerning legit traffic from participating in too much traffic. It's all about intent.


I don't think anyone pretends that tracking a reasonably sophisticated DDOS attack to the responsible party(ies) is inordinately easy; however, it is feasible.

quote:
Do you really want to live in a world where the plebs have no voice at all?


I want to live in a world where "plebs" have a constructive voice, be it a court of law, a lawful protest, or organizing a boycott. Launching attacks on websites we don't like isn't a part of that.


RE: Out to Lunch
By zmatt on 7/28/2011 12:27:28 PM , Rating: 2
actually in practice it has a lot in common with a sit in, where protesters would sit in an institution and refuse to leave through civil disobedience. The main difference is that it happens online. Most DDOS attacks use large armies of "zombied" pcs, but the LOIC is voluntary. I think it should be treated the same as sit ins, which I think will still get you arrested. Point is, if you are doing it for a cause you believe in I can't see how it is necessarily evil.


RE: Out to Lunch
By Fritzr on 7/28/2011 9:31:30 PM , Rating: 2
A DDoS protest is not inherently evil. However a DDoS attack can definitely be done with evil intent.

Most of those ranting about the response to DDoS events are upset because the police and the targets don't think its a lot of harmless fun. Most of the screaming is from those who think that because the individual screamer agrees with the protest the protesters should be immune from reaction by their targets & law enforcement.

If you or others want to start DDoS attacks as Civil Disobedience, then it is also necessary to realize that Civil Disobedience results in enforcement of the laws forbidding the action, unless the law in question is repealed. Real Civil Obedience protesters understand this and so accept jail time as part of their protest.


RE: Out to Lunch
By jabber on 7/29/2011 8:23:21 AM , Rating: 2
The problem today is that the concept of CONSEQUENCES isnt taught to kids anymore.

How was I and folks of my older generation taught it?

You went so far with your actions then you got a good thrashing from parents or teacher if you went too far.

That soon taught most of us to think things through and weigh up the potential for a 'misfire'. The 'Pros & Cons' scenario.

"Hang on if I do that I could get into major trouble!"

Essentially it makes you think for a second before you go ahead and do something stupid.

Nowadays a lot of kids are not properly disciplined at home or school so do not learn any boundaries. To them its all fair game. No one is going to stop them. Then they do something that has major issues and its "wahh wahh its not my fault!"

Tell it to the judge kid!


RE: Out to Lunch
By jdonkey123 on 8/2/2011 11:13:10 AM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss their argument as meritless. The individual requests they make to the server are legal. Then you must believe the aggregrate sum of an unnatural amount of legal requests adds up to illegal activity withouth any other explicitly illegal act?

If they were taking control of computer systems owned by someone else to help perpetrate their attack, then its clearly illegal, but if they are only directing their own systems, I think it might be a bit tougher to prove criminal action.

I think this would be a lot like trying to overload a company's customer service email box or call center with complaints to diminish their ability to effectively serve valid customer requests. It's certainly a nasty form of protest and probably a tortuous act that the company can sue them for, but I'm not sure that it's criminal...


Don't be daft
By ipay on 7/28/11, Rating: 0
RE: Don't be daft
By kingmotley on 7/28/2011 12:13:47 PM , Rating: 3
Yes. Anonymous isn't worth a penny.


RE: Don't be daft
By ipay on 7/28/2011 12:34:16 PM , Rating: 2
*slow clap*

Well, I can see the level of discourse in here doesn't rise above "blustery tough guy". Just thought I'd offer an alternative view, but I'll be on my way.


RE: Don't be daft
By Gzus666 on 7/28/2011 12:51:47 PM , Rating: 1
Most of the comments here are chest puffing and tough guy talk. Check out any article where someone does something they don't like, you will get to see the 5000 uprated comments about how they would kick their ass, when in reality, they wouldn't. It is basically just an aimless angry mob on a website.

On the plus side, you can rile them up really well if you just push their buttons and they flip out, pretty hilarious.


RE: Don't be daft
By AssBall on 7/28/2011 3:05:07 PM , Rating: 2
I'm going to kick your ass for that comment...


RE: Don't be daft
By tng on 7/28/2011 12:20:17 PM , Rating: 2
Ummm, yes.

Just one penny for each share of stock out there is major money in the financial world.

No one in finances cares about hackers if all they can do is a DDOS attack that lasts for less than a day, that affects the stock price less than a 1 cent per share miss on earnings.


RE: Don't be daft
By ipay on 7/28/11, Rating: -1
RE: Don't be daft
By tng on 7/28/2011 1:22:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Maybe you didn't notice......
but we were not talking about Sony....

You had expressed doubts if just a 1 penny drop in earnings could cause a 3% stock drop remember.

Yes we are well informed about subject that we care about. However, hackers picking on Sony is kinda old news and most of us quit paying attention when it began to look like Sony either didn't care or was just to stupid to stop it.

You will notice that despite all of the hacker picking on Sony that I can still go out and buy a DVD or BRD from Sony BMG, pick up a Sony Flatscreen LCD at my local electronics store, and still find Memory Stick products out there. Really (my opinion only) the hacks will be a bump in the road for Sony, it will lead to a better stronger Sony in the end.


RE: Don't be daft
By Fritzr on 7/28/2011 9:22:41 PM , Rating: 2
Now I understand why Sony suddenly got mentioned. Sony is not relevant to this story. The much hyped Sony attack was on the servers of a minor part of the company with most of the anger being directed at the folks who prevented gamers from being able to play. That is not at Sony.

The PayPal attack was against a web-only company and was minor enough that most users never noticed. The story concerns claims made by the hackers that the financial market's reaction to an earnings report had nothing to do with whether or not a publically traded stock corporation met it's projected earnings targets.

In reality
If actual earnings are less than projected, stock price falls
If actual earnings are roughly the same as projected, stock price is unaffected as the market already adjusted to that earnings level
If actual earning are more than projected, stock price rises.

However due to thousands of unrelated factors that various investors pay attention to, stock prices fluctuate in a manner that appears at first glance to be random.

If PayPal had been taken offline for a few weeks, that would have damaged their business, but minor delays and the occasional site not available are taken by the ordinary person to be normal internet bumps and unless they are being separately told that the company is being badly battered by a hacker attack they will almost always never learn the cause of the problem they had that day.


civil disobedience
By Uncle on 7/28/2011 12:34:07 PM , Rating: 2
Again if people feel or think their being disempowered by government and corporations then they have every right to empower civil disobedience without having a bloody riot. Mahatma Gandhi showed how you can take back your country from foreigners without firing a shot. The bottom line is, don't ever lose hope in what you believe in. People have the power either through withholding money , services, or protesting.




RE: civil disobedience
By MrBlastman on 7/28/2011 1:47:15 PM , Rating: 2
As usual, I will get rated down for this reply--but, alas, logic is true and accurate, fine to the point and despite the raucious dismay, the following distinction still stands veritable. Let the miscreants, trolls, closet revolutionaries and militant bums weigh in, I beseech them.

What you say, Uncle, has merit, however you forget to provide an important distinction. That distinction lies between civility and criminality.

Thus, we have the terms Civil Disobedience and Criminal Disobedience. They are both real, measurable and distinctly different terms.

Civil disobedience has historically been used throughout time and, as you mention, was endorsed by Gandhi through more "peaceful" means. Civil disobedience can be either peaceful or in some more extreme cases, loud, semi-disorderly and staged to raise quite a ruckuss. All of these outlets though, still would fall within legal boundaries and remain outside the focus of the rule of law.

Criminal disobedience, on the other hand, squarely targets its protest in a fashion that causes harm to others in ways that the rule of law considers taboo--and thusly punishable under such rule. People who protest in this fashion do so with reckless disregard for the rights of others.

Many of these protests have started off as forms of Civil Disobedience. Unfortunately, some of them have transgressed into Criminal Disobedience and protests of such a degree should lead to repercussions--unless of course they win in the end.

In the past, Criminal Disobedience was typically done to the extreme, such as Castro seizing control of Cuba through the hands of Che Guevarra and other thugs. The groups such as Lulz and Anonymous, though, when crossing this line should take note. Do they have an end-plan--a plan for victory that would ensure them freedom against prosecution due to their inevitable rule? If not, they should think of a new strategy. It is hard to wage war when you have all your weapons taken from you and forced to live among swine and be treated as such.


RE: civil disobedience
By Solandri on 7/28/2011 3:40:23 PM , Rating: 5
tl;dr version:

Civil disobedience = protesting in a way that the negative consequences for violating laws/norms fall upon yourself.

Criminal disobedience = protesting in a way that the negative consequences for violating laws/norms fall upon someone else.

If you decide on criminal disobedience to protest something which could be (should be) addressed with civil disobedience, don't be surprised (nor upset) when the powers that be give you a huge smack-down.


RE: civil disobedience
By Bostlabs on 7/28/2011 5:59:11 PM , Rating: 2
Damn, no more points or I'd rate that up.

Well said sir!


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