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Anonymous protesters outside the Scientology headquarters in London.  (Source: Tanya Nagar)

A protester conceals himself behind a paper cutout of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard.  (Source: Tanya Nagar)
Remember, remember the 10th of...February?

It appears that “Anonymous” – a loose-knit group of Internet protesters united in their campaign against the Church of Scientology – kept its promise of worldwide demonstrations. This past Sunday, activists identifying themselves as members of Anonymous appeared in cities around the globe to peacefully demonstrate against the Church and its so-called crimes.

Demonstrations occurred in a reported 93 cities worldwide, including Sydney, Los Angeles, New York, London, Dublin, and Stockholm. Donning signs with slogans such as “Knowledge is Free,” “Question $cientology,” and “Enlightenment should not cost £100,000,” Anonymous took a vocal stand against the Church of Scientology’s alleged human rights violations and relentless suppression of dissent. Demonstrations proceeded peacefully, with protesters concealing themselves behind Guy Fawkes masks – among other things – as popularized in the movie “V for Vendetta.”

Anonymous seemingly rose out of nowhere to declare war on the Church late last January, claiming that the Church brainwashes its members and drives them into bankruptcy through expensive spiritual treatments. Anonymous’ medium of choice is YouTube. The group’s first video, a shot-across-the-bow titled “Message to Scientology,” now has over 2 million views. In it, Anonymous promises to “expel” the Church from the Internet and “systematically dismantle Scientology in its present form.”

While Anonymous’ exact origins are unclear, its members are known to coordinate on social networking sites such as MySpace and Facebook.

Additional videos appeared late last week, authored by a pair of YouTube members identifying themselves as participants in Anonymous: Anonymous1321 and Anonymous1942. “Do not misread our intentions,” says Anonymous1321 in Anonymous Message to Scientology, “ours is not to judge your beliefs. We oppose the [Church] as a business, not a religion, of which it claims to be both. How can a supposedly nonprofit organization cause its believers to go bankrupt?”

Scientology officials condemned the demonstrations, equating Anonymous to nothing more than “cyber-terrorists.” In an official statement released later on Sunday, Church officials said that “Anonymous is perpetrating religious hate crimes against Churches of Scientology and individual Scientologists for no reason other than religious bigotry.”

Previously, the Church of Scientology dismissed Anonymous, offering little response to the group’s messages.  “We don’t get into responding to such threats on the Internet,” said Church spokeswoman Janet Laveau in an interview last week, later noting that “those wishing to find out the Church of Scientology's views and to gain context … have the right to search official Church websites.”

Referring to the recent attacks against Church websites, Scientology officials claim that Anonymous has “repeatedly attempted to suppress free speech through illegal assaults on church websites so as to prevent Internet users from obtaining information … [in addition to engaging in] other harassment, including threats of violence in telephone calls, fax transmissions, and emails, not to mention the Anonymous mailing of white powder to dozens of our churches.”

Organizers say the date of February 10 was picked to commemorate the birthday of Lisa McPherson, who died under the Scientology’s care in 1995. Criminal charges filed over McPherson’s death were later dropped in 2000.

Lynn Fountain Campbell, a former Scientology member and participant in the Los Angeles protests, explained the sudden rise of Anonymous as a response to public apathy: “it’s just reached critical mass. People aren’t scared anymore.”





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Good
By blckgrffn on 2/12/2008 9:44:12 AM , Rating: 5
After reading some about this earlier on Penny Arcade, I decided to actually educate myself some on Scientology, mostly through Wikipedia and the online novel by "lonesome squirrel." Quite an eye opener.

It comes across as some serious craziness and "religion" being subverted for business reasons, a lot like some of the mega churches in my mind...




RE: Good
By markusup on 2/12/08, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By Trisagion on 2/12/2008 11:38:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The reason is it that it's goal is to help people lead happier lives.


Tell me, how does not taking a vacation figure into all that?


RE: Good
By idconstruct on 2/12/2008 5:47:05 PM , Rating: 4
www.xenu.net

www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/


RE: Good
By Samus on 2/13/2008 3:51:19 AM , Rating: 4
Seriously? Giving someone all my time and money and soul will make me happier!?

HOLY SHIT WHERE DO I SIGN UP!!!?

Ohh yea, www.scientology.org, of course, wow, thanks man you saved me! Praise the lord, who ever that is...ohh yea, that Hubbard guy.


RE: Good
By Durrr on 2/13/2008 6:58:02 AM , Rating: 2
Funny thing is that in Dianetics, he says that it's not a religion, but an exploration into the human animal. However, you know how people are and will lemming off a cliff following anything.


RE: Good
By blckgrffn on 2/12/2008 12:02:43 PM , Rating: 5
Oh yeah, that's unbiased, fact filled place to get information. Then I'll stop on over at the creationist museum to observe how the earth is 5,000 years old...


RE: Good
By BMFPitt on 2/12/2008 12:21:56 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Then I'll stop on over at the creationist museum to observe how the earth is 5,000 years old...
I have to go to Kansas next week for work. I'm really thinking about dressing up as the FSM and taking some pictures.


RE: Good
By GTVic on 2/18/2008 5:26:09 PM , Rating: 2
Your objecting to a (hopefully) minority group of people who have taken things way too literally despite the obvious evidence that indicates against such a literal interpretation.

When a large number of people are loosely grouped together you will always find a vocal minority that are off their rockers - people who are not willing to look at things logically and dispassionately.

In addition you have a tendency for outside people to ascribe the beliefs of the minority to a larger group. That is why I take issue with your "creationist" comment.


RE: Good
By GTVic on 2/18/2008 5:27:40 PM , Rating: 2
Correction: "You are" instead of "your"


RE: Good
By FITCamaro on 2/12/2008 12:38:15 PM , Rating: 5
Yes. Me being broke because Scientology took all my money so that I could have them remove the spirits of dead aliens from my body which cause me to be unhappy sounds like it'll really make me live a happy life. And researching it at their website sounds like it'll be completely impartial. By that logic, I'm the worlds most sadistic killer and rapist. But visit my website, and you'll see that I'm not that bad a guy.

If Scientology provided the "service" they provide for free, I could accept them as a "religious movement". As they stand, they're the worlds largest, fastest growing cult. Not religion. Hence why every country on the planet, except the United States, classifies them as a cult.


RE: Good
By TerranMagistrate on 2/12/2008 2:25:21 PM , Rating: 5
Wrong place to research Scientology. Go to www.scientology.org and get some facts. This is the fastest growing religious movement in the world. The reason is it that it's goal is to help people lead happier lives.

^^^I believe we have a brainwashed victim here.

Scientology is a cancer in society. Wake the **** up.


RE: Good
By Belard on 2/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Good
By aznstriker92 on 2/12/2008 10:14:46 PM , Rating: 1
LOL,what makes you think that? Its more like people that don't beleve in a religion kill the *&(*& out of the people that are religious.


RE: Good
By McGuffin on 2/13/2008 2:22:05 PM , Rating: 3
Its more like people that don't beleve in a religion kill the *&(*& out of the people that are religious.

Like those people who threatened to kill cartoonists for mocking Mohammed? Try mocking Socrates and see how many philosophers threaten to kill you.


RE: Good
By OblivionMage on 2/12/2008 10:52:09 PM , Rating: 2
Other religions don't cost money.


RE: Good
By Aquila76 on 2/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Good
By OblivionMage on 2/13/2008 12:21:21 AM , Rating: 2
To join, scientology costs 257$.


RE: Good
By Aloonatic on 2/13/2008 4:23:11 AM , Rating: 5
Is that per person or dead alien spirit?

Bound to be more expensive in the UK too, Gordon's bound to have put an alien spirit tax on somewhere, sorry to go on :-s


RE: Good
By lompocus on 2/15/2008 11:57:37 PM , Rating: 1
I honestly don't understand why everyone hates Catholics.

I, being Catholic, haven't been forced to pay anything. For confirmation we have a 100 dollar fee in my area. That fee pays for the amazing stuff they're able to bring to the confirmation students (as well as transportation to various places). Donating to the church is optional, but I'll always recommended everyone to donate since it does go to a good cause.

And if someone brings up the priest-child abuse, go look up Protestant/Christian priest craziness. Protestants are a minority, yet their idiotic priests dwarf our idiotic priests by a significant margin.


RE: Good
By MatthewAC on 2/18/2008 7:37:29 PM , Rating: 2
Last I checked churchs only charge money if your a member of the church and wish to help with the upkeep which is tithing.


RE: Good
By Bioniccrackmonk on 2/12/2008 2:29:23 PM , Rating: 2
The only "research" you can get from an organizations website is the information they want you to have. Do you honestly think anything negative about them will be on there? This is not a good way of doing research at all.

If you Google Scientology, you can read as many good things as you can bad, and that would be the best way to research the group.


RE: Good
By Xerio on 2/12/2008 4:17:01 PM , Rating: 2
If you want to research an organization (whether it be a church, company, charity, etc.) you should visit their website and go out and visit Wikipedia, search Google, whatever. Get both sides of the story, if you will.

That being said, Scientology scares me (or at least Tom Cruise's version).


RE: Good
By Kaleid on 2/12/2008 9:05:47 PM , Rating: 5
Why would one need to have a religion to be happy? It's submissions, non-liberating and dogmatic.

Reality is fine as it is, don't invent bogus answers just because it's on some level comforting

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Religion is the poor mans philosophy


RE: Good
By OblivionMage on 2/12/2008 10:54:42 PM , Rating: 2
"THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them."

- L. Ron Hubbard, "Off the Time Track," lecture of June 1952, excerpted in JOURNAL OF SCIENTOLOGY issue 18-G, reprinted in TECHNICAL VOLUMES OF DIANETICS & SCIENTOLOGY, vol. 1, p. 418


RE: Good
By nza on 2/13/2008 1:22:09 AM , Rating: 2
Hi there scientologist.

Just like to let you know that DM has squirreled the tech. Compare the older and newer editions of LRH's books.

The true LRH tech is freely available online. Have a look around and you'll find it.

I'll leave you with a question - if the Church of Scientology is such as great thing, why do they not allow you to read some books or view certain websites.

Best wishes,
NA


RE: Good
By chick0n on 2/13/08, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By decapitator666 on 2/18/2008 11:15:25 AM , Rating: 1
You have made a mistake in your last sentence..
It should read :

The reason is it that it's goal is to SELL people the illusion of happier lives.


RE: Good
By JonnyDough on 2/12/2008 5:52:35 PM , Rating: 2
See my comment below.


By Chris Peredun on 2/12/2008 9:45:34 AM , Rating: 5
I do believe that the total number of Anonymous protesting on Sunday was OVER 9000.




By ImSpartacus on 2/12/2008 10:04:25 AM , Rating: 4
Vegeta, what does the scouter say?


By The Sword 88 on 2/12/2008 10:13:00 AM , Rating: 2
His power level is OVER 9000!!!!


By PlasmaBomb on 2/12/2008 2:04:05 PM , Rating: 2
What 9000? There is no way that can be right!


By Joz on 2/12/2008 2:24:50 PM , Rating: 2
thiswas EPIC.

But I must agree with anonymous, the SoC must fall.

We are legion.
We are anonymous.
SoC will fall. Tom Cruise will burn.


By Rob Pintwala on 2/12/2008 10:25:14 AM , Rating: 2
I think Anonymous had Godly Luck on Sunday.


By PAPutzback on 2/12/2008 10:25:38 AM , Rating: 2
That about how big the MS-13 gang is.


By SlipDizzy on 2/12/2008 10:47:20 AM , Rating: 2
WHAT 9000?!?!


By frobizzle on 2/12/2008 2:25:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I do believe that the total number of Anonymous protesting on Sunday was OVER 9000.


No, actually it was only 300 Spartans!!


By elpresidente2075 on 2/12/2008 9:08:10 PM , Rating: 2
... :|


By OblivionMage on 2/12/2008 10:55:38 PM , Rating: 2
It was over 9000.
It was EPICWIN.
Co$ was EPICFAIL.
Anonymous IS EPICWIN.


V!!
By omnicronx on 2/12/2008 9:51:05 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you, and you may call me V.
.. i want to participate just so i can wear one of those masks.




RE: V!!
By FITCamaro on 2/12/2008 12:44:10 PM , Rating: 2
Brain...hurting...too...many...'v's...

Seriously I can't even read that without getting a headache.


RE: V!!
By Verran on 2/12/2008 1:29:30 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. It was the only part of the movie I didn't like.

There's over-the-top.
Then there's WAY-too-much.
Then there's stop-for-the-love-of-god.
Then there's like six other steps.
And then there's this quote.

It was nauseating to watch/listen to in the theater.


RE: V!!
By TomCorelis on 2/12/2008 7:43:11 PM , Rating: 5
Beautiful wordsmithery and people are nauseated? That makes me a sad, sad panda.


RE: V!!
By Targon on 2/13/2008 9:36:30 AM , Rating: 2
The work needed to memorize and properly say the lines from that quote make me cringe. It was impressive, to say the least.


RE: V!!
By 1078feba on 2/12/2008 1:42:05 PM , Rating: 3
God I hope you copied and pasted that & didn't actually type it out...


RE: V!!
By Hoser McMoose on 2/12/2008 3:38:15 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Bam! To behold, a public bulletin board, built of both brilliance and barbarity by bastards with boners. This bastion, no mere bulwark of boredom, is a brutal barrage of blistering bullshit, barely benevolent... but behind the bigotry and boobs, beyond the bitter broadcasts of bragging buffoons: here be the body politic. A brotherhood of blashphemy, blessed with more balls than brains, battling the bland, the bogus, the benign. Bedlam? Bring it on. But I babble... Better be brief.

You may call me...
e/b/aums?


spelling...
By thornburg on 2/12/2008 9:42:30 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
with protesters concealing themselves behind Guy Falkes masks – among other things – as popularized in the movie “V for Vendetta.”


I believe it is Guy Fawkes, not Falkes.




RE: spelling...
By JasonMick on 2/12/2008 9:51:52 AM , Rating: 5
Remember, Remember The fifth of November The gunpowder treason and plot. I know of no reason Why the gunpowder treason Should ever be forgot. But what of the man? I know his name was Guy Fawkes and I know that in 1605 he attempted to blow up the houses of parliament, but who was he really? What was he like? We are told to remember the idea, not the man. Because a man can fail. He can be caught. He can be killed and forgotten. But four hundred years later an idea can still change the world. I've witnessed firsthand the power of ideas. I've seen people kill in the name of them; and die defending them. But you cannot touch an idea, cannot hold it or kiss it. An idea does not bleed, it cannot feel pain, and it does not love. And it is not an idea that I miss, it is a man. A man who made me remember the fifth of November. A man I will never forget.


RE: spelling...
By TomCorelis on 2/12/2008 11:51:58 AM , Rating: 2
Fixed.


RE: spelling...
By PlasmaBomb on 2/12/2008 1:26:02 PM , Rating: 2
It is still not quite right -

Remember remember the fifth of November,
gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason,
should ever be forgot...


RE: spelling...
By retrospooty on 2/12/2008 10:00:42 AM , Rating: 5
and it was Maynard Keenan from Tool that said.

F$%K L Ron hubbard and F$%K all his clones!!!


RE: spelling...
By MaulBall789 on 2/12/2008 5:14:41 PM , Rating: 2
learn to swim,
learn to swim,
learn to swim,...

One of the greatest songs, ever.


RE: spelling...
By retrospooty on 2/12/2008 6:29:40 PM , Rating: 2
Ya, absolutely unique and pwerful... One of the best ever except for the one line "F$%K retro anything" I dont like that line ;)


Religion? Don't think so
By jimbojimbo on 2/12/08, Rating: 0
RE: Religion? Don't think so
By BMFPitt on 2/12/2008 12:29:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Bill signed Scientology into a religion after many of his financial supporters pressured him.
I have a friend that says that all of the current problems with the stock market are due to Bush messing with the Federal Reserve rate. Maybe you two should get together and discuss things that Presidents can't do.


RE: Religion? Don't think so
By MrBlastman on 2/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Religion? Don't think so
By FITCamaro on 2/12/2008 12:40:52 PM , Rating: 2
But don't people who make bad decisions deserve to be bailed out by the government?

</sarcasm>


RE: Religion? Don't think so
By BMFPitt on 2/12/2008 1:26:58 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I guess you and your friend fail to see that the bulk of the problem was caused by
Caused by people who don't understand blindingly obvious sarcasm? We seem to have a lot of them around here.


RE: Religion? Don't think so
By MrBlastman on 2/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Religion? Don't think so
By BMFPitt on 2/12/2008 1:36:11 PM , Rating: 4
OK, now I really hope you're either joking or trolling...


RE: Religion? Don't think so
By MrBlastman on 2/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Religion? Don't think so
By 1078feba on 2/12/2008 1:43:51 PM , Rating: 3
Blastman, Pitt was definitely being sarcastic....


RE: Religion? Don't think so
By BansheeX on 2/12/2008 5:11:57 PM , Rating: 3
And yet the reason they do it is because they were encouraged, both by absurdly low interest rates from the fed to avoid the recession after the tech bubble collapse by moving it into real estate, and from the fact that there would be no consequence for what they did since the government will just bail them out. So what exactly was there to dissuade them from doing it? Nothing. You're just like people who blame companies for going overseas. They wouldn't be going overseas if high taxes, taxes on production, government overregulation, and crappy Keynesian central banking economics didn't make the domestic front so expensive in comparison.


RE: Religion? Don't think so
By Kanti on 2/12/2008 3:34:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
All this has only taught us one thing. If a democrat is president and you've got enough money you can get anything passed off as a religion.


Stupid argument, since who was it that recognized the moonies (the Unification Church) as a religion? As far as passing off bullshit political organizations as 'religions', republicans and right wing christians wrote and have mastered that playbook hands down. Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson, Sun Myung Moon, James Dobson, are these scumbags republicans, or democrats?

Being corrupted by financial contributions knows no party affiliation.


RE: Religion? Don't think so
By OblivionMage on 2/12/2008 10:57:27 PM , Rating: 2
"Scientology...is not a religion."

- L. Ron Hubbard, CREATION OF HUMAN ABILITY, 1954, p. 251

He said himself that it is not at religion.

Source book: http://www.amazon.ca/Creation-Human-Ability-Ron-Hu...


RE: Religion? Don't think so
By Symmetriad on 2/13/2008 11:51:20 AM , Rating: 2
Hahahah, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Scientology used Operation Snow White to harass and coerce the IRS into restoring their tax-exempt status back in the 1990s. Bill Clinton and your idiotic political vendettas have absolutely nothing to do with it.


Whacko
By Trisagion on 2/12/2008 11:05:53 AM , Rating: 4
I think Tom Cruise should invest some of the money he spends on the CoS on a good neurosurgeon. He's completely befuddled with all these SPs and PTSSPs. Not to mention not having had a vacation in years...




RE: Whacko
By markusup on 2/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Whacko
By Trisagion on 2/12/2008 11:35:29 AM , Rating: 5
Katie, Is that you? :) The next time you read a joke don't take it too seriously...


RE: Whacko
By TerranMagistrate on 2/12/2008 2:30:09 PM , Rating: 3
Correction: Tom Cruise is the most recognizable psychopath today.


RE: Whacko
By slunkius on 2/13/08, Rating: 0
Thought of the day...
By JasonMick on 2/12/2008 9:35:37 AM , Rating: 4
People shouldn't be afraid of the Scientologists
The Scientologists should be afraid of the people.
:)




RE: Thought of the day...
By mattclary on 2/12/2008 9:51:10 AM , Rating: 2
You kidding? I think I would rather take on Tony Soprano's crew.


RE: Thought of the day...
By BMFPitt on 2/12/2008 10:02:12 AM , Rating: 4
My favorite:

You've got nothing. Nothing but your bloody knives and your fancy karate gimmicks. We have guns.

No, what you have are bullets, and the hope that when your guns are empty I'm no longer be standing, because if I am you'll all be dead before you've reloaded.


Scientology - the perfect crime
By MrBlastman on 2/12/2008 12:22:24 PM , Rating: 3
I love hearing people like markusup repeat the same babble post after post. You see, Scientology is a shining example of the perfect way to set up a cult/religious group/fanatical organization.

Mr. Hubbard, despite the bad rap that he gets - I've read quite a bit about the guy actually, was a genious in his creation of one of the most critical tennets of Scientology:

The denial and downplay of all psychological intitutions.

Essentially what he has done is lead the followers to believe that all psychological treatments, psychological practitioners and psychological methodologies outside of the Scientology "Church" itself - are bunk.

If you take away the one thing that can save a cult member from falling in to the trap of the cult, and discredit it, then you remove all tools the outside world has to free the cult victim from the cults grasp.

Hubbard, has done just that. In the past cult members were subject to brainwashing and programming, much like what you will find within the church of scientology. The members whom were rescued, had to undergo extensive psychotherapy before they could be unlocked from the cults grasp. Scientology has essentially been instill with an insurance policy against this.

Hubbard was a genious for this plain and simple. He was a mastermind and he truely was serious when he said years ago that the best way to become rich is to start a religion.

For individuals like markusup, it is pure programming and nothing else. I can rob a bank and set off a neutron bomb in New York city - but if I donate to charity and save starving children in Africa - I'll be a hero and the world will forget my atrocities!

Fortunately for many of us, we see right through the little scheme he(Hubbard) worked so hard to set up.




By AngrySaki on 2/12/2008 1:30:57 PM , Rating: 3
It's not always the case, but I'm often wary of calling evil people or social manipulators "geniuses". What they often do isn't all that genius, it's just something nobody else would consider doing because of their conscience.


By Nik00117 on 2/13/2008 6:56:12 AM , Rating: 2
I agree,m guys brilliant. I mean the first time that I heard they made psychology or w/e a bad thing I was like that makes a lot of sense.

You make your own form of it to induce your members and make every other method seem evil and inhuman that way bno matter how jacked up they get its the most evil thing they could do. Since its the only way to fix you upt hen it doesn't even matter!


Knowledge is Power
By bobobeastie on 2/12/2008 4:39:09 PM , Rating: 2
"Knowledge is Power... FOR REAL"

e Cookie for whoever knows what thats from




RE: Knowledge is Power
By JonnyDough on 2/12/2008 5:54:56 PM , Rating: 2
I'm going to go with Dogma on this one. Sounds like something Jay would say.


RE: Knowledge is Power
By bobobeastie on 2/12/2008 7:31:51 PM , Rating: 2
Nope, not even Kevin Smith related. Here is a clue: It is from a failed TV project where the three main guys involved have become much more famous since. What network doesn't know good TV if it slaps it in the face?

also

"I KNOW EVERYTHING!"


RE: Knowledge is Power
By johnsonx on 2/13/2008 2:28:27 PM , Rating: 2
Good!
By deeznuts on 2/12/2008 1:03:48 PM , Rating: 2
Good! Dismantle Helio while they're at it. Now maybe my GF can be convinced to get rid of her Helio. It's killing my anytime minutes, I need her to be mobile to mobile!




Good thing
By 5c8wc4 on 2/12/2008 5:05:14 PM , Rating: 2
We should never accept scams such as scientology to operate freely in our society. Have anyone seen the guy filming on the streets during one of their meetings. Its on youtube, the guy was followed and if it werent for the fact that it was a public place i would guess they would have jumped him.

And the interview with tom cruise made me sick. He probably get better treated then the "lesser" people not paying so much.




Love Kills
By rupaniii on 2/12/2008 5:40:52 PM , Rating: 2
If only Freddie Mercury were alive today.
I could see him redoing the Love Kill's video with clips from this protest, wearing a Tom Cruise Mask, or a Guy Fawkes mask, something. Hell, maybe he'd be running around like the V in Benny Hill but running around the Scientology HQ's in DC and other areas. Yeah, I was just You Tubing before i saw this story. But certainly, Love Kills would be a good song to take on Scientology with. I have heard bad things from memeber's who have gone just so far before 'getting out'. They are recruiting on college campuses now btw. Maybe Dan Brown's next novel?




Vs
By PWNettle on 2/12/2008 6:58:05 PM , Rating: 2
There's just something about Church of Scientolog vs Anonymous that's hilarious.

"We feel anonymous is perpetrating hate crimes"

How could anyone even say that with a straight face? They are being made fun of even while trying to defend themselves.

Comedy.

I think the Scientology wackos are...wacko...but it's a free country. If some mindless dingle wants to join a cult and throw away all their money, it's their business. They could be doing it via other religious or pseudo-religious means, since almost all religions dig into your pockets in one way or another.

Who cares?

Why care?

People who protest something this stupid have WAY too much time on their hands and should consider getting a job.




Some more sites
By OblivionMage on 2/12/2008 10:47:57 PM , Rating: 2
I have posted some more sites for reference/information. These are meant to simply be useful/helpful in figuring things out yourselves:
http://xenu.net/
http://www.enturbulation.org/

There was estimated to be 9000 people in total at the raids, in over 200 cities.




Sign me up!
By Hexus on 2/20/2008 2:02:34 PM , Rating: 2
All I have to say is WHERE THE HELL DO I SIGN UP!? Scientology in general is ignorant, misinformed, stupid, plus many other synonyms. But a cause to protest and and excuse to dress like the badassery incarnate that is V? Sign me up!




If Catholics were dumb enough...
By JonnyDough on 2/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: If Catholics were dumb enough...
By mollick2 on 2/12/2008 10:48:13 PM , Rating: 1
I agree, all religions make the followers pay in some form. What religion doesn't brainwash it's followers. It's gone on forever. At one point or another a religion has caused some sort of mental or physical anguish and somtimes even the death of its followers. The fact is, that scientology is no different then Christianity, Catholics, Jewdism, or any other religion. They all do the same thing, they fill your head with some outragious belief that something or someone created you and everything around you in return that you make some sort of donation or contribution.

The fact that these protesters would be "anonymous" and be so unoriginal to have ripped an idea from a movie shows how completely ridiculous their cause is. If they truely felt scientology was bad why would they hide themselves? How will they accomplish anything if all they do is stand in front of buildings wearing masks with picket signs with statements that could be true about any religion on them?

Just my $0.02


RE: If Catholics were dumb enough...
By OblivionMage on 2/12/2008 11:03:24 PM , Rating: 1
Your such an idiot. Other religions do not make people pay to get in. Other religions do not sue those who criticize them. Other religions do not hide/classify their books and doctrines. Other religions do not hide what they believe in. Other religions do not specifically recruit celebrities in order to gain legitimacy. Other religions do not break apart families with things such as DISCONNECTION and FAIR GAME (GOOGLE THEM/EDUCATE YOURSELF). Other religions do not follow the definition of a cult PERFECTLY. Other religions do not have a charismatic leader who has made some VERY interesting quotes: http://xenu.net/archive/infopack/5.htm

How can you criticize the name anonymous, do you even know how this started? (It started with a group of hackers, who called themselves and any who participated to be "Anonymous" because they are representing a general public opinion, and they have no leaders.


By OblivionMage on 2/13/2008 12:24:45 AM , Rating: 1
Oh and another thing, I wonder why they would be hiding (most of them anyways) behind masks and why they don't announce who they are? Perhaps because of Scientology's tendency to sue anyone who does such a thing? Or because they video taped most of the protests?


"Extortion" by Scientology
By rainwalker on 2/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: "Extortion" by Scientology
By idconstruct on 2/12/2008 5:58:50 PM , Rating: 2
ummm...

http://www.xenu.net/archive/personal_story/paulett...

The fact that they're a fake religion is hardly an issue... Anonymous stated outright that they have no quarrel with Scientology as a 'religion'... but rather as a business.

http://www.xenu.net


RE: "Extortion" by Scientology
By rainwalker on 2/13/08, Rating: 0
RE: "Extortion" by Scientology
By nza on 2/13/2008 1:57:29 AM , Rating: 2
Look, we'll choose what we want to fight for. You can choose who you want to fight for. What we choose has nothing to do with you, troll.


RE: "Extortion" by Scientology
By TomCorelis on 2/12/2008 7:48:06 PM , Rating: 2
If Scientology's critics are to be believed, CoS is far more powerful than a simple "fake religion."


Why?
By The Sword 88 on 2/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Why?
By The Sword 88 on 2/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Why?
By PAPutzback on 2/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Why?
By Kaldskryke on 2/12/2008 10:20:32 AM , Rating: 5
There are many people who believe that Scientology has caused the deaths (read: murdered) several of its dissenting members. I highly recommend searching YTMND or Youtube for "The Unfunny Truth About Scientology" for a quick introduction to that. There's also the supposedly-retracted "fair game" policy which essentially tells its members that they are entitled and even encouraged to silence "suppressive persons" by ANY means necessary.

But, regardless as to whether CoS has indeed killed people, the problem is that the organization is a massive scam. It's a giant pyramid scheme, in a sense. In order to progress in rank within the CoS you are required to purchase learning materials and undergo audits. The average cost to get to the highest ranks is over $300,000. And the person who sells you that material gets a cut. I've heard that these audits involve mild hypnosis and encourage the auditee to believe in their subconscious thoughts as fact. It's a system to suppress rational thinking... brainwashing.

And what's worse is that this 'church' is tax exempt. In the 1970s the IRS declared that the CoS did not qualify for tax exemption, but then CoS sued the IRS into oblivion.

But it's obvious that I'm biased. Do yourself justice by learning about the CoS from both their official site and from critics such as XENU-TV. If you find yourself appalled by the CoS, as I have, the best two things you can do are 1) increase public knowledge, 2) write to your government representative and demand that the CoS's tax exemption be investigated.


RE: Why?
By markusup on 2/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Why?
By 1078feba on 2/12/2008 2:10:23 PM , Rating: 4
Jesus Christ (no pun intended) mark, it's not propaganda if it's verifiable. I was living in Clearwater when Lisa McPherson died. I worked a few blocks away from CoS World HQ for 3.5 years. I know, I KNOW what that organization is capable of. I saw it daily on the local news and in the local news paper. I saw the small protests around their HQs and watched as they ran the DA out of his job.

The leaders of this cult are vicious and fundamentally fascist, end of story. They can say what they want, but I can’t hear them b/c their actions are screaming at me. Does the CoS support ANY legitimate charities anywhere in the world? They give $$$ to Red Cross, Breast Cancer Awareness or any other nonreligious activity? How about Habitat for Humanity or something as simple as running a soup kitchen for the homeless right there in Clearwater (believe me, Florida is literally crawling with homeless due to the temperate weather)? Hell no. You can’t even get past their front doors without whipping out your checkbook. It’s ludicrous. The underlings are probably, to an extent, just doing what they are told, but that doesn't make it right. I am willing to give everyone I meet the benefit of the doubt when it comes to religion, as are the vast majority of Americans and people around the world, but with these guys, seeing as how the only currency that really matters in the world is credibility, they automatically start out behind the 8-ball.

The cult of Scientology is a big fucking problem, and it's only going to get worse. Imagine going for a job interview and getting the cold shoulder because not only are you not a CoS member, but you haven't reached level 12 or whatever. It's appalling.

"Anonymous" is just doing what Martin Luther did oh so many centuries ago, but instead of nailing their complaints to a church door, their airing them world-wide on YT.


RE: Why?
By TerranMagistrate on 2/12/2008 2:27:26 PM , Rating: 2
To Hell with Scientology. Just another vicious cult.


RE: Why?
By Bioniccrackmonk on 2/12/2008 2:33:59 PM , Rating: 3
I am honestly starting to believe that you are a member of the CoS. Tells us then since you are such a vibrant fan of theirs, how does everything work on the inside?


RE: Why?
By Reflex on 2/12/2008 2:52:33 PM , Rating: 1
People need to look up the Scientology definition of the word 'ethics' before taking this claim at face value. Many of the posts here are coded due to their redefinition of common terms. As a result they can say one thing that sounds convincing to us, while actually making a different statement entirely that another Scientologist would recognize.


RE: Why?
By aznstriker92 on 2/12/2008 10:18:19 PM , Rating: 1
Don't get tricked by the appeals of Scientology, its not the way to go.


RE: Why?
By FITCamaro on 2/12/2008 10:29:38 AM , Rating: 5
My main problem with it is that it gets classified as a religion here in the US. If it's a valid religion, Satanism should be as well. Heck it's been around longer if anything.

Here in the US, being classified as a religion means you are tax exempt. That's the problem I have. That a group that was clearly founded by someone who is not a "religious figure" in the slightest, gets to be tax exempt while raking in hundreds of millions of dollars a year from the "services" that are clearly questionable by anyone with half a brain. Yes other religions take in money, but they don't require you to give money in order to get the services of the church (perhaps in the past they did but not anymore).

Add to that the highly questionable activities of the "church" itself. People being bankrupted by the church to get its services, people dying in their care when at any hospital they'd have been fine, their highly aggressive, even threatening, legal practices, the conspiracies the founders of this "religion" were tried for (forget if they were convicted), etc.

This group is not a church. They are not a religion. Those who run it are laughing as they rake in money. Those who truly believe it are nut jobs. Those who follow them are just people who are lonely and want to be accepted by someone.


RE: Why?
By PAPutzback on 2/12/08, Rating: 0
RE: Why?
By FITCamaro on 2/12/2008 12:25:00 PM , Rating: 2
TV Evangelists were/are just as bad. But they've largely gone away (at least from what I've seen) as people have gotten a clue that those guys were just spouting crap to bring in money. Scientology is the new problem as people are falling for it just as bad.

Yes people have been killed over religious beliefs in the past and even today, but not really here in America. There are always extremists in every religion. But at least at the core of them, there actually is an established religion that they're basing their beliefs off of. A religion based on sound ideas.

To follow a "religion" that is based off the writings of a science fiction novelist though is just lunacy. Anyone applying common sense can see the group is in no way a religion. An alien overlord came to earth and blew up a bunch of people with hydrogen bombs and that's why we're unhappy? Come on. If you buy that what else will you believe?

Yes one can say the belief in a "god" is equally absurd but its really not. I think even hard core atheists wonder sometimes if there's a higher power out there. To me it's far easier to believe there's a supreme being out there that created the universe than what Scientologists are spouting. Especially when the book they're basing their beliefs off of wasn't even written as a "bible" to begin with. It was written as a science fiction story and later twisted into being the foundation of a religion.


RE: Why?
By Verran on 2/12/2008 1:16:33 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Yes one can say the belief in a "god" is equally absurd but its really not.

Why?

I completely believe that CoS is a giant pyramid scheme and I don't doubt at all that they are crazy to a level that's downright dangerous, but I find this whole event very interesting as a comparative-religion topic. People really need to pick their battles here because there's nothing you can pin on Scientology that you can't also pin on several other major religions.

Imagine a person in today's society with a standard education level and normal logic capabilities. Now imagine that by some freak chance they've never heard of any religion. Imagine that they stumble across the Bible and read it cover to cover. Do you really think they're going to live their life by it? Or will they just assume it's crazy talk and move on?

The only reason our major religions aren't viewed as "crazy" is because they're so old that our culture is based around them. But objectively viewed, they're just as crazy as Scientology. They just gained acceptance in a time when "crazy" was all we had, and now they're just grandfathered in.

There are plenty of battles that can be easily won against CoS. "They're not a real religion" is not one of them.


RE: Why?
By dflynchimp on 2/12/2008 6:01:36 PM , Rating: 2
Jesus camp...nuff said.

It's the belief in a system that drives people to do crazy s***. Sometimes this religious ferver is for the better, but sometimes it boggles my mind how much illogical and atrocious actions people partake in the name of their god.

Christian Crusades, Islamic extremists, and now the Church of Scientology strong arming its way in as a legitamate religion. I don't have any personal beef with the CoS, but I think it really is more of a business enterprise. Claiming to be a religion yet clearly following a system of profiteering...add to that the fact that it's the 21st century and there are :actually: people who believe this bullcrap...

I'm not condemning any particular religion, as I myself am a buddhist, but Scientology is still a little too phony for me to legitamately except.


RE: Why?
By idconstruct on 2/12/2008 6:18:42 PM , Rating: 2
tru.dat

quote:
Imagine a person in today's society with a standard education level and normal logic capabilities. Now imagine that by some freak chance they've never heard of any religion. Imagine that they stumble across the Bible and read it cover to cover. Do you really think they're going to live their life by it? Or will they just assume it's crazy talk and move on?


Whats so hard to beleive about a man parting a river by lifting a stick? Or what the hell, god made the earth 5,000 years ago and put fossils in the ground, made the universe expand from a single point, made the continents fit like puzzle peices, and created the animals 'pre-evolved', etc....
-all just to 'trick' us, right?

/sarcasm


RE: Why?
By Noya on 2/12/2008 10:35:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Imagine a person in today's society with a standard education level and normal logic capabilities. Now imagine that by some freak chance they've never heard of any religion. Imagine that they stumble across the Bible and read it cover to cover. Do you really think they're going to live their life by it? Or will they just assume it's crazy talk and move on?


As an athiest, I've used that exact line of reasoning in a discussion with one of my recently converted-to-Jehovah's Witness friends...to no avail. He's practicall brainwashed, not really different from Scientologists.

quote:
The only reason our major religions aren't viewed as "crazy" is because they're so old that our culture is based around them. But objectively viewed, they're just as crazy as Scientology. They just gained acceptance in a time when "crazy" was all we had, and now they're just grandfathered in.


Exactly. Add on to that, that the majority of regular church attendees have been attending since they were toddlers = brainwashed to a certain degree.


RE: Why?
By Locutus465 on 2/12/2008 2:29:49 PM , Rating: 3
Many of the "evangalists" you mention have since been arrested for their crimes. In general if you stick with a major branch of christiantity, i.e. Catholisism, Eastern Orthadox, Methodist, Baptist, Lutheran and all the other major ones that are very well known and very well established then the chances you'll be vicitmised in any way are as close to zero as they can be in this world (yes, there are exceptions to every rule).

If on the other hand, you decide to get your self involved with some brand new, mega church which broad casts on TV every chance they get with some yahoo jumping up and down on stage shouting that jeasus saved him and if you want to be saved to just donate all your money to the church by calling 1-800-ripuoff (dramitisation here), then probably you're in trouble.

I'm a Catholic, I can tell you right now that if you want, no matter what faith or religion you are, you are 100% free to attend any availble service you want. Heck, attend them all, listen and learn about Christianity and the Catholic faith all you want. You don't have to convert, you don't have to donate. You can leave early, you can stay late. No one is going to try and take your money from you, and while if you seriously do attend every service offered by a particular church for a month or more they might take that as a sign of enthusiasim for the faith and ask you if you want to convert (assumign you're not catholic that is), they're not going to force you.

While I've only attended Catholic services so far, I can't imagin the other major faiths will operate any differently.


RE: Why?
By uhgotnegum on 2/12/2008 10:51:07 AM , Rating: 5
Two things here:

1.) I'm not religious by the traditional "go to church, temple, etc. on a regular basis" sense of the word, so this is a theory/hypothesis more than a comment, but I think that many people have trouble calling Scientology a "religion" because of how it seemingly ties people of other religions to Scientology. The idea that a Christian is comparatively similar to a Scientologist is upsetting and therefore people just have difficulty accepting Scientology as a religion. Religion is, for all intents and purposes, just a word describing a set of beliefs that explain the unknown, universe, or whatever. What makes a religion different from a cult is in the acceptance by a majority of society (however that amount is figured). Personally, I think of this more as a cult than a religion, but I can't necessarily say that my definition of it fits with another's belief.

2.) I'd be very interested to know whether Scientology fits within the 501(c)(3) tax-exempt requirements (or one of the other exempt rules, under which I doubt they fall). You may be right that it's tax-exempt, but if you are just "throwing that out there," I question (based on my limited knowledge of the Scientology structure) how they can operate in a publicly charitable way. I'm not a tax attorney, but I am an attorney, and for an organization to be labeled tax-exempt they must not operate in such a way that they benefit private interests, and they are limited in the amount of "lobbying" in which they participate. Obviously oversimplified, but if this organization really does what many people claim they do, it would surprise me to find out that they are able to maintain this status. Lastly, even if they are considered tax-exempt, the government just loves prosecuting groups with lots of money that try to defraud the government by avoiding taxes, and the penalties for doing so can be severe. Hopefully if they are exempt, you can rest a little easier knowing that they are being watched (maybe even wire-tapped...ha, politically charged issue anyone?).


RE: Why?
By Rob Pintwala on 2/12/2008 11:57:20 AM , Rating: 2
They are indeed tax-exempt, and have been since the 1970's when they became registered as a "religious movement". It is quite interesting, however, that such a movement would have mandatory fees for even the lowest levels of participation.


RE: Why?
By uhgotnegum on 2/12/2008 12:28:47 PM , Rating: 2
For anyone wanting some additional "enlightenment" on the tax issues, here is the IRS "Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations."

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf

Among other things, it does provide that an organization may still be taxed on the income it generates that is unrelated to the exempt purposes for which it receives relief.

Not necessarily exciting stuff, but relevant to discussion.


RE: Why?
By Flunk on 2/12/2008 12:42:31 PM , Rating: 1
I think your base assumption that Satanism is a belief system in itself is fundamentally flawed. Satanists believe essentially the same thing as other Christians, they just follow the "other side" per say.

Therefore Satanists are a heretical faction of Christianity, and not a separate religion.


RE: Why?
By Rob Pintwala on 2/12/2008 12:49:43 PM , Rating: 2
We have to be very careful here. The term "Satanism" has a very broad scope, and is applied to many, many diverse religous groups. The group to which the term Satanism is referring to most often, the Church of Satan, is not a ritualistic, magic/dark-arts practicing religion as many people seem to believe. They are - in fact - athiest, and they believe in social-Darwinism amongst other things.

So, really, Satanism is a seperate religion.


RE: Why?
By wackie999 on 2/12/2008 1:50:41 PM , Rating: 2
If we draw such a comparison, then Satanism is no different than the factions of Christianity -- i.e., Methodists, Luthern, et. al. All of which are exempt from taxes.

Aside, exclusivity of the religiose is lunacy.


RE: Why?
By ZeeStorm on 2/12/2008 10:43:33 AM , Rating: 5
It appears as when Anonymous "declared war" on Scientology, reasons were made aware of that are very definite (and true..). The church sues many individuals who have tried to speak out against the church. Any person who has been a scientologist and leaves tends to be "homed in" by the church until they die.
People say that Anonymous is stomping on Scientology's freedom of speech, or church, or anything, but in actuality, Scientology struck first, and has so many many times. It's about time people struck back.

Can't say I agree with the phone, etc. threats.. however, I don't believe they're true either. The protesting sounds a bit more reasonable, and it's something that Anonymous said they would do.. not threats.

I don't really care about CoS, but I find it rather fascinating that a group of people are going after them.


RE: Why?
By markusup on 2/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Why?
By MrPickins on 2/12/2008 11:39:13 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
go to www.scientology.org and try that on for size


I'm not willing to pay the big bucks needed to hear about their true beliefs.


RE: Why?
By Chris Peredun on 2/12/2008 12:03:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm not willing to pay the big bucks needed to hear about their true beliefs.


Thanks to Anonymous, you don't have to. It's all available for free - you just have to look for it.


RE: Why?
By TerranMagistrate on 2/12/08, Rating: 0
RE: Why?
By Bioniccrackmonk on 2/12/2008 2:38:28 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I've seen numerous community benefit programs, people gotten off killer drugs, literacy programs and more.


Ok, I'll bite. Aside from www.scientology.org, show me any other website not controlled by the CoS that can back up or verify the information you have here. I have looked at a lot of news organizations and their pages seem to have the same stuff everyone here is talking about. since you have "seen" numerous benefits, please provide info on one that is documented by someone not related to CoS.


RE: Why?
By OblivionMage on 2/12/2008 11:16:58 PM , Rating: 1
Knowledge is free.


RE: Why?
By bfellow on 2/13/2008 9:17:58 AM , Rating: 2
Except if you're a Scientologist, knowledge will cost you a couple of grand a year.


RE: Why?
By Screwballl on 2/12/2008 11:42:55 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
L. Ron Hubbard is widely rumored to have said "The way to make a million dollars is to start a religion."


This quote has become the very basis of this so called facade called CoS as a "religion".

If they were true to their name, the real basis would be worship of the sun and stars and other mythical creatures keeping the universe in balance through science. Not pure brainwashing of its converts.

At least with Christianity, there are enough variations that if you don't like one, you have another to try.


RE: Why?
By OblivionMage on 2/12/2008 10:50:11 PM , Rating: 2
MUCH more then widely rumored actually

"I?d like to start a religion. That?s where the money is."

- L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by Eshbach in OVER MY SHOULDER: REFLECTIONS ON A SCIENCE FICTION ERA, Donald M. Grant Publisher. 1983

Look up the book, here it is on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.ca/Over-My-Shoulder-Reflections-...

HE SAID THAT.


RE: Why?
By The Sword 88 on 2/13/2008 12:01:08 AM , Rating: 2
Oh I agree that it is a scam and that the foudner and higher ups just want money, isnt that what a business does, sells something for money? I just think it has a right to try and sell itself, in the USA, just like the crap on infomercials or at McDonald's(that stuff kills people too) or how about all those psyhcis you see in the paper or on the side of the road? Remeber all of those people became Scientoloigists did so of their free will. And to reiterate my point try to save the people not kill the business, where will Scientology be without followers?

As for the murder thing, try them in a criminal court, that is what the courts ar ethere for, dont try to sabotage them through protests. If they really did kill someone then they need to be punished, but it needs to happen within the law.

But your right to protest is also legal, so go for it, I just dont think it is the best way.

In regards to other comments about religion I am a devout Christian, Baptist if ou want a label, and I am also a physicist who works for Fermi National Accelerator Lab in Batavia, I dont say that to brag but let you I am a "science person". It amazes me that people will believe that the whole universe just came into being of its own accord, out of the void in a big bang. Look at the interactions between quarks and leptons, look at the positioning of stars and planets, try reading some Quantam Mechanics and tell how that all of that coming from nothing is more believable than the existance of God? No way. Science does not disprove God if anything it argues for the first unmoved mover who started all of this billions of years ago, nature is imprinted with the idea of God. Don't believe in the Young Earth, 7 day creation people and get caught up in all of that, but really try looking at the universe and you will see God. Loom into the world today and you will see that we need Him now more than ever.


RE: Why?
By OblivionMage on 2/13/2008 10:58:28 PM , Rating: 2
The problem with trying to attack them in a criminal case is that people are still so afraid of their many lawyers.


Scientologists vs Anonymous
By 4blueskies on 2/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Scientologists vs Anonymous
By PAPutzback on 2/12/08, Rating: 0
RE: Scientologists vs Anonymous
By System48 on 2/12/2008 10:28:05 AM , Rating: 2
They spent all their time on the primaries.


RE: Scientologists vs Anonymous
By Anonemoose on 2/12/2008 11:53:10 AM , Rating: 3
You're hearing about it 2 days later on a tech site because nobody was arrested for the "hateful bigotry" Anonymous is accused of. Go to google news or the BBC and search for "scientology protest" if you're convinced this hasn't hit the media.

Of course, since you're calling Anonymous "extremists on the brink of creating their own religion" I'm assuming you're a scientologist yourself or have done zero research before opening your mouth.

www.xenu.net


RE: Scientologists vs Anonymous
By Sulphademus on 2/12/2008 10:07:19 AM , Rating: 1
Oh get with the (ADHD) times!


RE: Scientologists vs Anonymous
By FITCamaro on 2/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Scientologists vs Anonymous
By PAPutzback on 2/12/2008 10:24:06 AM , Rating: 3
Thanks. I now have a stupid unlrealistic statistic in my head now that will come out in the future over beers and make me look as stupid as you.


RE: Scientologists vs Anonymous
By FITCamaro on 2/12/08, Rating: 0
RE: Scientologists vs Anonymous
By PlasmaBomb on 2/12/2008 2:09:00 PM , Rating: 4
Do you think beer cares about *almost*? Psssh


RE: Scientologists vs Anonymous
By uhgotnegum on 2/12/2008 10:26:43 AM , Rating: 3
A little presumptuous to think that everyone has the same priorities as you do on world/local matters.

If that were the case, I'd be saying, "Shouldn't these people be volunteering at a veterans' facility, or battered women's shelter, or maybe even at a charity fund raising event?"

If you were being facetious, my apologies...tough to tell from a couple sentences.


By Master Kenobi on 2/12/2008 10:47:16 AM , Rating: 3
Bah, why protest the war? Protesting is to bring attention to an issue and make it known its unpopular. That's old news for the war. Scientology is the new target.


RE: Scientologists vs Anonymous
By 1337cookie on 2/12/08, Rating: 0
RE: Scientologists vs Anonymous
By TomCorelis on 2/12/2008 7:58:40 PM , Rating: 1
The world watches America's movies, listens to America's music -- idolizing American singers even when there's no language in common -- and operates due in large portion to inventions of American design or American perfection. If someone can gain control of America's cultural beacons, they can influence an area far beyond American borders.

Anonymous picketed locations in cities throughout the Western world -- many of which are already heavily under America's cultural spell. If Scientology really is malignant, and it really is attempting to seize American cultural influence, then I would think that the rest of the world should be plenty concerned with these American affairs.


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