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Anonymous is none too pleased with Sony Computer Entertainment of America LLC.  (Source: Anonymous)

Anonymous members use tools like the Low Orbit Ion Cannon to spam sites out of commission.  (Source: J. Hua)

George "GeoHot" Hotz is keeping his head up despite his legal troubles.  (Source: GeoHot)
Collective isn't happy with Sony's aggressive legal attempts to suppress PS3 jailbreak

Even as 21-year-old iPhone hacker George "GeoHot" Hotz's legal troubles with Sony Computer Entertainment America LLC (SCEA) continue, a collective of online hackers and internet lovers has banded together to try to deliver a more pointed response.

I. Anonymous Strikes Back at Sony

Anonymous, the loosely organized (or some would argue completely unorganized) group of hackers derived from the image message board site 4Chan, has called out  for its lawsuit of GeoHot.  They have posted an online threat "warning" Sony that there would be consequences.  

Writes the group:
Dear Greedy Motherf*ckers (sic) SONY,

Congratulations! You are now receiving the attention of Anonymous. Your recent legal actions against fellow internet citizens, GeoHot and Graf_Chokolo have been deemed an unforgivable offense against free speech and internet freedom, primary sources of free lulz (and you know how we feel about lulz.)

You have abused the judicial system in an attempt to censor information about how your products work. You have victimized your own customers merely for possessing and sharing information, and continue to target those who seek this information. In doing so you have violated the privacy of thousands of innocent people who only sought the free distribution of information. Your suppression of this information is motivated by corporate greed and the desire for complete control over the actions of individuals who purchase and use your products, at least when those actions threaten to undermine the corrupt stranglehold you seek to maintain over copywrong, oops, "copyright".

Your corrupt business practices are indicative of a corporate philosophy that would deny consumers the right to use products they have paid for, and rightfully own, in the manner of their choosing. Perhaps you should alert your customers to the fact that they are apparently only renting your products? In light of this assault on both rights and free expression, Anonymous, the notoriously handsome rulers of the internet, would like to inform you that you have only been "renting" your web domains. Having trodden upon Anonymous' rights, you must now be trodden on.

If you disagree with the disciplinary actions against your private parts domains, then we trust you can also understand our motivations for these actions. You own your domains. You paid for them with your own money. Now Anonymous is attacking your private property because we disagree with your actions. And that seems, dare we say it, "wrong." Sound familiar?

Let Anonymous teach you a few important lessons that your mother forgot:
1. Don't do it to someone else if you don't want it to be done to you.
2. Information is free.
3. We own this. Forever.

As for the "judges" and complicit legal entities who have enabled these cowards: You are no better than SONY itself in our eyes and remain guilty of undermining the well-being of the populace and subverting your judicial mandate.

We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
We do not Forgive.
We do not Forget.
Expect us.
Based on the group's description and IRC chatter, it appears that members are engaging in impromptu denial of service raids against Sony's online properties.  Many Anonymous members champion distributed denial of service tools like Low Orbit Ion Cannon (LOIC) that allow individuals to easily spam websites with requests.  If enough members participate in the attack, even a small group can overwhelm a major site.

That said, some members reportedly use "dirtier" tactics, such as employing attacks from botnets of infected machines.  Anonymous members also are rumored to have occasionally engaged in and/or threatened personal attacks on members of organizations they are targeting.

DDoS attacks using a user's own machine are of questionable legality.  While not explicitly mentioned under U.S. computer crime legislation, they likely fall under the auspice of an attack on a business, something the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1984.

Anonymous had previously called on a boycott of SCEA products, though many questioned how much effect the boycott by the relatively small ~10,000 member collective would have.

II.  Why the Fuss?

Sony sued GeoHot back in January 2011 for posting keys that would defeat Sony's copy protection scheme.  GeoHot had been brought onboard the onlocking project by fail0verflow, a group of German hackers, as the jailbreak used a smart phone for part of the process.

The effort to jailbreak the PS3 was born out of Sony's decision to ditch Linux support with the release of the PS3 Slim in August 2009.  It is unclear why Sony made that decision given that the PS3 Slim was more than capable of supporting a Linux install.  Sony has since locked "Fat" PS3s out of new installs of Linux, as well, via a system update.

GeoHot has offered to stop distributing the keys if Sony provides a means to install home brew and third party software on the PlayStation 3.  He has also offered to work as a consultant for Sony or the other major console makers (Microsoft and Nintendo) in safeguarding their next-generation consoles from jailbreaks.

Sony hasn't exactly responded warmly.  Thanks an overly permissive judge, it managed to subpoena Mr. Hotz's Paypal [PDF]; Twitter; YouTube and Google [PDF]; and the IP addresses of visitors [PDF].  

Sony claims that it needs access to all of Mr. Hotz's personal accounts to try to monitor if he profited off the release of the hack, some Mr. Hotz denies having done.

Mr. Hotz's German colleagues seemingly have it even worse.  According to Mr. Hotz, at least one of them had their home trashed by German police executing a search warrant at the behest of Sony.

While the full jailbreak offers a route to legitimate/semi-legitimate uses like homebrew and third party operating systems, it also opens the door to darker pastures like piracy and in-game cheating.  GeoHot has stated that he does not support such actions and that he exclusively executed the jailbreak in support of the homebrew movement.

GeoHot is most famous for perpetually defeating the carrier and application restrictions on Apple's iPhone.

The term "jailbreak" is a term that refers to removing protections against running unauthorized software on an electronic device.  This is not to be confused with "unlocking" which refers to removing carrier restrictions on smartphones (something GeoHot also participates in).

As we pointed out in our previous coverage, while, smartphones recently received official endorsement to be jailbroken, the Digital Millenium Copyright Act [PDF] seems to still outlaw jailbreaks on other devices, such as the PS3.  Ultimately, these seemingly contradictory stances may offer the legal team of GeoHot grounds to challenge the legality of enforcing some jailbreaking provisions, but not others.


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Maybe it's just me....
By NicodemusMM on 4/4/11, Rating: 0
RE: Maybe it's just me....
By rudolphna on 4/4/2011 11:55:14 AM , Rating: 2
I peruse 4ch now and again for amusement. These idiots do not represent the whole of anon. The real anon do it "for the lulz" as they say. These guys are considered "moralfags" (the term "fag" isn't said in a negative light, just how anon refer to each other. These guys feel that anon needs to use its power for good, not because its fun. There is also no conspiracy against military members, some other idiot thought it would be fun. Also, real anon hate the whole "anonomoose is legion duuurrrrr" thing. I don't consider myself one of them, just amused by some of the posts, and lurked enough to know how thing really "work"


RE: Maybe it's just me....
By invidious on 4/4/2011 7:49:14 PM , Rating: 2
The 4chan website has little to nothing to do with anon anymore. It is just an image board now. I am sure anon people still use it for images but you clearly dont know "how things work" if you think it is still in any way their online hangout. the 4chan irc may be another story. I started using 4chan for images 3-4 years ago and even back then anon had abandoned it for being too mainstream.


RE: Maybe it's just me....
By NYHoustonman on 4/4/2011 12:00:17 PM , Rating: 1
I get the same feeling. Kind of pathetic, really.


RE: Maybe it's just me....
By theslug on 4/4/2011 1:07:33 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly what I thought when I read the line about the hornet's nest in that picture. Are they trying to be taken seriously or aren't they?


RE: Maybe it's just me....
By Murloc on 4/4/2011 3:17:57 PM , Rating: 2
they are talking about sticking penises in that hornet nest.
What do you think? are they being serious? It's for the lulz and for great justice.


RE: Maybe it's just me....
By LordSojar on 4/4/2011 3:49:32 PM , Rating: 5
While the motto might be dumb, at least someone is standing up to big corporations... something even the Supreme Court failed to do when they declared them "people."


RE: Maybe it's just me....
By NicodemusMM on 4/5/2011 3:03:08 AM , Rating: 2
I agree that keeping large corporations in check should be a priority for every consumer. I just think that doing so with my wallet is a fair bit more effective than DDoS and a childish motto/mantra/creed.


RE: Maybe it's just me....
By Cerin218 on 4/5/2011 10:56:02 AM , Rating: 2
Does keeping large corporations in check with your wallet actually work? Is Sony bankrupt because they don't have your few hundred dollars?


RE: Maybe it's just me....
By NicodemusMM on 4/5/2011 4:44:46 PM , Rating: 2
Individually? No... but you already knew that. Call it a DDoF... Distributed Denial of Funds. With DDoS one PC doesn't do squat, but 10k or 100k are crippling. DDoF is the same way, but the effects are longer lasting among other things.


RE: Maybe it's just me....
By SPOOFE on 4/4/2011 4:10:10 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
... but each of Anon's statements gives me the impression that they're less a group of technically gifted individuals and more a group of angst-ridden neophytes that know just enough to be dangerous.

Replace "Anon" with "Sony" and you've got the same situation. Seems appropriate to me. Why do they need flowery prose and overwrought word use to be "taken seriously"? How about the fact that they regularly cause ridiculous amounts of trouble? How about their significant attacks on banks and security firms? Who cares about words, look at actions.


RE: Maybe it's just me....
By Beenthere on 4/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: Maybe it's just me....
By Cerin218 on 4/5/2011 1:09:56 PM , Rating: 1
Too bad you don't realize that these people are becoming society. Just wait till they start making laws...


RE: Maybe it's just me....
By B3an on 4/12/2011 4:42:17 AM , Rating: 1
The only social degenerate here is you. Morons like you are whats wrong with society. Atleast Anon stick up for freedoms.


RE: Maybe it's just me....
By NicodemusMM on 4/5/2011 5:26:31 PM , Rating: 2
I realize our opinions diverge greatly in this matter, but I think their actions are as detrimental to themselves as their statements. If I were with Anon, I'd be pissed. As for their "significant attacks"... the effects are measured in hours. Maybe our definition of "significant" differs.


RE: Maybe it's just me....
By CrimsonFrost on 4/6/2011 10:34:45 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure HBGary thought they were in the clear too. I have no idea if this is the real "Anon" or another fringe sub-group, but when you have the CEO of a company forced to step-down as a consequence of your attack... Well, your effects are no longer measured in hours, it's measured in the millions of dollars. Make no mistake, HB Federal has lost millions because of the attacks, yeah they're still around, but they were planning on selling the company before the attacks, and that certainly isn't panning out the way they thought it would, not now anyhow.

You say hit 'em in the wallet, Anonymous has done exactly that in the past, and in a far greater sum than just you or me not buying their crap could ever hope to do. Sony will naturally survive this, but at what cost? Anonymous is clearly a bit different than what people who peruse /b/ on occasion think they are. These guys are not doing it for the "Lulz" exclusively anymore. They do have standards it seems, and it seems they are actually sticking up for the "little guy" or at least think they are.

I guess we'll see how this really pans out, but I think Sony is fighting an uphill battle not just against Anon but also against people who are "jailbreaking" Sony's hardware. There's maybe a couple hundred people in Sony who can even think of how to stop any of this, and then there's literally thousands of people on the other side who are trying to figure out how get around those measures. It's a game of numbers and the corporations have never won that game when the opponent was motivated.


Anonymous
By flyingpants1 on 4/4/2011 12:11:15 PM , Rating: 2
These are probably those russian criminal guys, and are not necessarily representative of the "Anonymous leadership". Anyone could set up an IRC server and claim to be anons. Just saying.




RE: Anonymous
By Netscorer on 4/4/2011 3:01:29 PM , Rating: 3
Whoever they are, at least they are trying. What are you doing to protect your own rights as a consumer?
Just saying.


RE: Anonymous
By Argon18 on 4/4/2011 10:32:25 PM , Rating: 1
I'm working within the system, not illegally like this band of juvenile criminals called "anomymous". screw these "anonymous" douchebags and their stupid antics. i hope they all get thrown in jail.


RE: Anonymous
By Jalek on 4/5/2011 12:44:40 AM , Rating: 2
So, you're not buying their products and complaining on message forums? That's about the extent of "working within the system", though you have to be careful if you do buy any product they can ban or disable remotely since you have no recourse against that.

The other options is hiring a bigger team of lawyers to beat up their lawyers if you happen to have a few tens of millions lying around.


RE: Anonymous
By dark matter on 4/5/2011 2:56:16 AM , Rating: 2
It's worth bearing in mind that justice is purchased these days.

And as for your comment about "working within the system", can you elaborate?


RE: Anonymous
By Cerin218 on 4/5/2011 10:49:30 AM , Rating: 2
The poster isn't doing anything. What they mean by "working within the system" is they only approve of legal resolutions, and that they see this hacker attack as illegal, and thereby disapprove.


RE: Anonymous
By Argon18 on 4/5/2011 1:24:13 PM , Rating: 2
You couldn't be more wrong. By "working within the system", I mean I'm voting with my dollars. Sony wants to cripple the PS3 and restrict its use? Fine. I'm done with it. I can run Linux on other hardware instead of PS3, and no longer purchase any more products or services from Sony. I sent them a letter stating my intentions, and the reasons behind them. That is working within the system. Vote with your dollars, and voice your displeasure. That is the only thing big companies take seriously - the almighty dollar. Do you think they take a bunch of pimple-faced teenage hackers seriously? This news article tells us the answer is no.


Rent to own?
By Uncle on 4/4/2011 4:11:59 PM , Rating: 5
"Your corrupt business practices are indicative of a corporate philosophy that would deny consumers the right to use products they have paid for, and rightfully own, in the manner of their choosing. Perhaps you should alert your customers to the fact that they are apparently only renting your products?"
I've said this for a long time, if Sony were to state up front when you purchase the machine, you are really renting it, remember at time of purchase, you are not buying it out right and you cannot do what you want with it. Then maybe I might be more sympathetic, but they don't. They have you believe you own it.
How many people would buy the PS3 if it stated that you are paying $299 for rent and you rent the games for $60 per game because of the copywrite laws... Might as well go next door and rent for the week for $19.99 with two games and a free bottle of Pop with chips.




RE: Rent to own?
By jjmcubed on 4/4/2011 8:05:09 PM , Rating: 2
Thank you. Great analogy.


seriously who cares anymore?
By invidious on 4/4/2011 7:57:17 PM , Rating: 3
I am getting very tired of seeing all these worthless articles about what are essentially online pranks and grandeous threats from the likes of anonymous and wikileaks and the likes. When they actually do something damaging or significant you should write an article about it.

Denial of service attacks are childish and minute in effect. Their threats are 99% of the time never followed up on. I am sure there are plenty of very smart and dangerous people out there but the ones doing stupid stuff like this aren't the smart dangerous ones. These are the childish angry loners who associate themselves with anon for the sake of exposure and recognition.

All you are doing is conditioning your DT readers to not take you seriously. If I wanted sensationalism I would be on CNN. I want TECH NEWS , not hype that minutely involves tech.




RE: seriously who cares anymore?
By Jalek on 4/5/2011 1:49:00 AM , Rating: 2
Even if they are followed up on... this is Sony, I think they can employ an offloader to deal with an attack. I'm not sure how tech-savvy Sony even is anymore though, they seem oblivious to their customer's perspectives on rootkits and ridiculous DRM, as well as people's thoughts concerning products they've purchased and having capabilities later removed.


By karielash on 4/5/2011 5:01:23 AM , Rating: 2

Well, they did a pretty good job on HBGormless... or Gary... hardly what you could call a 'prank', they can when needed it seems do a little more than DDos people.

While they may be a bunch of asshats, they raise some interesting points. The copyright laws are getting to the point of being just downright disgusting.


Hmm..
By Flunk on 4/4/2011 10:08:53 AM , Rating: 3
This is going to be interesting, where's my popcorn?




JUST BRICK THE CONSOLE
By quiksilvr on 4/4/11, Rating: 0
RE: JUST BRICK THE CONSOLE
By Lazarus Dark on 4/4/2011 9:38:10 PM , Rating: 2
I would almost agree with this IF Sony had not PROMISED Linux support at release. And in fact they did. But then they surreptitiously removed that support from owners machines without thier permission. Again: people who already OWNED the PS3 and may have used, considered using, or intended to use it for Linux had that functionality removed without permission. Imagine if GM could remotely remove the ability to drive over 70 mph from your Camaro (which is perfectly legal in a few places and on a closed track). There would be a violent revolt. This was no different. Sony removed advertised functionality without permission or explanation.

Bricking consoles would open them to huge class action litigation, because even if cheating or piracy had happened, you can't brick a console someone owns, they just dont have the right to brick personal property thats bought and paid for (banning from the network would be the only acceptable action). Using the Camaro analogy, what if GM remotely disabled your car if you went over 70?


This is what you get....
By icemansims on 4/4/11, Rating: 0
RE: This is what you get....
By HyperTension on 4/4/2011 3:51:13 PM , Rating: 2
Sigh.... Selective example for general response fail....

Insert standard Captain Picard picture here..


Ewwww
By jamesjwb on 4/5/2011 1:55:33 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Anonymous, the loosely organized (or some would argue completely unorganized)
.

I have to say, I absolutely hate this "some would argue" or "some people say". It's a cop out, an easy way of expressing an opinion that's probably only yours without showing any evidence of the "some".

I realize this is the direction reporting is going in thesedays, but it doesn't make it any more right than it ever was...




The more the merrier
By Beenthere on 4/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: The more the merrier
By greylica on 4/4/2011 11:45:14 AM , Rating: 1
And you deserve what you're doing to yourself, you are not comprehending that the industry turns your life into their consumption, imposing their limitations and separations. It's better to think twice, because persons like you could turn the world in such a way that tough enterprises will tell you what to do, what's right, what's wrong, what to consume, when to sleep, and finnaly how to live. Your brain will be turned into a massive comsumption machine, and when you finnaly enter into a depressive state, because you oppened your eyes, your life was in that blink, and then will be too late. You didn't used your brain to think, you used your brain as a slave for your pleasure of consumption, and your hope will be to dye soon, because there will be no more chances anymore, you're old, and any good idea will be already patented in a way that you and most of the persosn like you will be the loosers of the universe...


RE: The more the merrier
By Wiggy Mcshades on 4/4/11, Rating: 0
RE: The more the merrier
By supermitsuba on 4/4/2011 2:06:43 PM , Rating: 2
While i agree that if you dont like a product, dont buy it, but if i buy something, I should have a right to do whatever I want to it, unless I am renting it otherwise. I might add, that the idea of jailbreaking is not for pirating, so please do not lump it in as such.

I think this clashes against sony's idea of people who just by these things to play a game vs people who know how to use their ps3 for more than what Sony envisions. Which is right, really? Sony should have just bricked illegal PS3 for altering firmware and left it at that.


RE: The more the merrier
By Wiggy Mcshades on 4/4/2011 8:32:13 PM , Rating: 2
I agree jailbreaking has nothing to do with pirating, but with consoles this is one of the ways to get pirated software running. So it can POSSIBLY lead to pirated software being run on the console, that's what sony's concern is actually about because that's their only source of revenue. On a cellphone, which you're legally allowed to jailbreak, you can already do what ever the jailbreak allowed (atleast 80% of it) if you have a developers license. Wanna to run a tethering app on your iphone without jailbreaking? Just buy the 100 dollar developer license and you can load any application you write onto the phone without apple's approval. This is available to everyone and it's also the reason why it was impossible to say its illegal to jailbreak the iphone, there was no protection from piracy if you can just get the dev license and do the same thing. The ps3's developer license is far more expensive and sony decides who can and can't buy it. I can't ever get a sony developer license, which is what makes this different than the situation surrounding iphone jailbreaking. I'm just arguing that the reaction to sony's own reaction isn't justified just by saying, "well I payed for it". There's just so much more to it than that.


RE: The more the merrier
By VitalyTheUnknown on 4/4/2011 2:45:56 PM , Rating: 2
You want to make exclusively for the gaming console a very bizarre legal case that defines console purchase as a combination of ownership and leasing rights/obligations, that doesn't make any sense. You have the right to hack/improve/destroy your refrigerator's digital display and the same rights applies to gaming console. Sony has the right to block/ban modified software/hardware from accessing their services (warranty, Sony on-line servers etc.). At least that's how it works in Europe.


RE: The more the merrier
By Wiggy Mcshades on 4/4/2011 8:16:16 PM , Rating: 2
You payed the full price of your refrigerator, who ever made it actually profited from selling it to you. Sony payed for part of the hardware cost, and today they do not make money on each console sold. The only way for them to make a profit is sell software and so they're pretty much obligated to try and stop anything that could POSSIBLY lead to pirated software being playable by anyone willing to read a guide on a forum. You have the right to hack your own console, but you don't have the right to distribute security keys that you obtained through your exploits. I know someone who circumvented the security of a public transportation payment system and was able to add 100's of dollars of value to their card. If they had used it, they would of been breaking the law. If he had then gone and told everyone how he circumvented the security and distributed the method of doing so he would of gone to jail. It's not about hacking the console it's about distributing the keys and attempting to develop a method of circumventing the security features of the console for those who don't have the technical knowledge to get the keys themselves. I mention the fact that you didn't pay full for the hardware, because that's why you have no right to demand linux support. If you have no right to demand linux support, then according to the person I was replying to, the ddos attacks would then be unjustified.


RE: The more the merrier
By Cerin218 on 4/5/2011 11:05:40 AM , Rating: 2
That might be true, but it was their choice to sell the console at a loss in order to generate game sales. The Xbox was sold at a loss too, yet you don't see Microsoft attacking their customer base. My Xbox was hacked and used for XBMC after I bought a 360. So my old hardware got a longer life using it for something else. If Sony doesn't tell you what you have the right to do or not do with your purchase, then how can they complain when someone uses their product differently?


RE: The more the merrier
By greylica on 4/4/2011 5:13:11 PM , Rating: 2
That's why I'm using Linux and don't own PS3's, Iphone's, and even if I buy a Mac, I will install Ubuntu. When I buy something, it's mine, not theirs anymore. When I use my Phone I'm renting a line for calls, nothing more, If I brick my hardware, the problem is mine also. If I want to put it into fire to see blowing, it's my own decision, my money.
Intel and AMD sells processors, right ? Most of their processors comes with a heatsink that's able to only extend the life of the processor to the extent of the legal warranty, right ? Shall we conclude ourselves that the use of another far better heatsink and fan violates their warranty ?
We are are avoiding resend them a toasted processor, then, the right conclusion is that we are doing them a favor...
Please, use your own inteligence, the hardware is yours, subsidized or not. PS3's aren't rented, same as Phones. The fact that they do not cover their legal warranties without their software means nothing. Hardware failures are hardware failures, using their software or not. They do not offer any legal warranties over their software for any purpose, you can read it in any eula. So why we can't use our own software without any warranties ? They do not offer it anyway !


RE: The more the merrier
By Beenthere on 4/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: The more the merrier
By EricMartello on 4/4/2011 4:36:12 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Two problems with your beliefs:

1. Hacking and DDoS are cyber crimes and thus Anonymous should and will be prosecuted and punished


Irrelevant.

quote:
2. Enterprise can't force you to do anything unless you purchase their goods and services. If you chose to do so then you are bound by their terms - not your wishes. No one is forcing you to purchase these products.


It's not an issue of being forced to buy a product or not, it's an issue of receiving what you pay for. Misleading people into believing that they own something they paid for when in fact they do not can be construed as fraud - also illegal. Is Sony going to be prosecuted and punished for that?

The notion that a company and do as they please as long as they disclaim it in the "terms of service" is a complete fallacy. If anything, Fair Use legislature needs to be expanded to clearly state that you can do whatever you want with a product you purchase, regardless of whether or not the manufacturer agrees.


RE: The more the merrier
By Beenthere on 4/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: The more the merrier
By invidious on 4/4/2011 8:03:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You didn't used your brain to think...
LoL I had to stop reading your rant there.

You remind me of me of 7th grade. Conforming to the minority is still being a conformist. You can be as angry as you want, just be sure to wipe off your black nail polish so you don't get it all over my burger, and yes I do want fries with that.


RE: The more the merrier
By nikon133 on 4/4/2011 8:40:51 PM , Rating: 2
I don't understand "I own it, I can do whatever I want with it" mantra some people are trying to sell here.

If I own a car, I am still not allowed to modify it to run on rocket engine. Even if I do that in my backyard, I'm not allowed to advertise and sell it on the net, or pretend that it is roadworthy.

If I legally own all the required chemicals, I am not allowed to create explosive. Or to explain other people how to do that.

If I own semi-automatic hunting rifle, I am not allowed to modify it to full automatic (well, in some parts of the world at least ;).

There are rules to everything, and there are rules to ownership as well.

I am with Sony all the way on this one. I got PS3 so I can play games on-line with no cheaters. I want Sony to keep platform as closed as possible. For freewares and other stuff, I have PC.


RE: The more the merrier
By karielash on 4/5/2011 5:10:38 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks for that barrage if totally useless analogies.

A++++ would read again....

oh...

Your stupid.


RE: The more the merrier
By Hyperion1400 on 4/5/2011 2:28:11 PM , Rating: 2
"If I own a car, I am still not allowed to modify it to run on rocket engine. Even if I do that in my backyard, I'm not allowed to advertise and sell it on the net, or pretend that it is roadworthy."

Yeah, because you would light the cars behind you on fire! However, you could still patent and sell the design.

"If I legally own all the required chemicals, I am not allowed to create explosive. Or to explain other people how to do that."

Destructive Devices FFL: $250

... And yes you can, search Amazon for: "The Anarchists Cookbook"

"If I own semi-automatic hunting rifle, I am not allowed to modify it to full automatic (well, in some parts of the world at least ;)."

Gunsmithing FFL: $500


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