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"Conroe" and "Merom" get a name and a birthday

Intel has just passed us word about a new branding decision for the upcoming second generation Core processors.  Intel's first generation desktop Core processor, Conroe, will carry the moniker Core 2 Duo, suplementing the 65nm Netburst Presler micro-architecture.  Notebook processors, earlier dubbed Merom, will also carry the Core 2 Duo moniker even though the processors are very different than the desktop Core 2 Duo chips.  The highest end desktop processors, previously named Extreme Edition, will be labeled as Core 2 Extreme opposed to the mainstream Core 2 Duo.

Core 2 Extreme will actually become the first Conroe processor to launch, followed immediately by Core 2 Duo E6700 -- as outlined by Intel's most recent desktop roadmapMerom and Conroe are both based on 65nm process designs with shared L2 cache and aggressive power management.  Conroe and Merom will both be backwards compatible with recently manufactured desktop and mobile motherboards.

Intel's most recent forward outlook confirms Conroe will ship in July, 2006 followed shortly by Merom in August 2006.  This was hinted by Intel CEO Paul Otellini earlier this week during the company's quarterly report. Intel's press release about the new branding claims:

Consumers and businesses will also be able to purchase these processors as part of Intel’s market-focused platforms -- a collection of Intel hardware and software technology innovation that is designed and tested together and tailored to specific computing needs. Intel offers wireless computing, in-home entertainment or business productivity platforms through the company’s Intel Centrino Duo mobile technology, Intel Viiv technology and Intel vPro.

Intel is expected to publicly demonstrate Core 2 Duo at Computex 2006 in Taipei, Taiwan on June 6th, 2006.  AMD is expected to launch its next generation DDR2 desktop component on May 23, 2006.


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performance
By almrow on 5/7/2006 4:06:21 PM , Rating: 1
well, if conroe is better than the fx-62 and fx-64, this will be a strike for amd, i mean it will be very hard for amd to compete against intel and be better, amd must think about it and fast!




RE: performance
By Spoonbender on 5/7/2006 4:33:50 PM , Rating: 1
Well, I don't think it's quite that bad for them. AMD has the capacity to push performance a bit if neccesary. Most of their chips can already be overclocked quite a bit. Sure, not all their chips would be able to run at higher speeds, but they'd be able to market faster chips if they had to.
if they can punch their high end chips up another 10% or so, and the AM2 platform gives them another 5%, they're pretty close to matching Conroe. Of course, they might not be able to beat the competition, but they could at least avoid looking as bad as Intel has done for the last 3 years, instead just lagging slightly behind for a while.


RE: performance
By Martin Blank on 5/7/2006 5:19:30 PM , Rating: 3
Unlikely. AMD is still quietly working on their next generation architecture, and is probably going to let Intel have the lead for a little bit. If AMD were to stretch the performance of their CPUs by pushing the clock limits, they might be seen as desperate, which they're not. Their preference is simply to finish up the Brisbane core architecture and release it in due time, somewhere in H1 2007.

What we're seeing here is something that we've not seen for about the last two years, which is a see-saw of the performance crown. There have been debates over who is better because the number have been relatively close, but it's likely that Conroe will hold the lead for a few months.

While I run AMD at home, I'm pleased to see Merom so close -- it means a new notebook at work for me when budgets are approved. :)


RE: performance
By TomZ on 5/7/06, Rating: 0
RE: performance
By Martin Blank on 5/8/2006 11:00:26 AM , Rating: 2
They may well have been able to launch some version of the FX line, though it would have been expensive and rare, that would have held the performance crown, but doing so just signals desperation that isn't there.


RE: performance
By coldpower27 on 5/8/2006 11:47:13 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know considering 5% is actually generous for Windsor performance over Toledo.

If Intel launches a conservative by the way 3.00GHZ Conroe for Extreme Edition that would still require Windsor to be at 3.6GHZ... which is not in the realm of doable at all, since most of the Denmark Core Opterons don't get there and those go through extensive testing.

No it is most unlikely AMD can do anything about the performance crown they just aren't in the running till they get to Brisbane.

This is for desktops though so no mention of Opterons and how HyperTransport scales. :P


Confusing?
By tjr508 on 5/8/2006 4:10:33 PM , Rating: 1
Nobody is complaining about conroe and merom getting the exact same name?




RE: Confusing?
By zsdersw on 5/8/2006 9:35:10 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not. I'm just glad it's slightly different than the current "Core" chips.

And it makes sense, I suppose. Conroe and Merom are quite a bit different from Yonah (what's currently called "Core Duo" and "Core Solo". Conversely, Conroe and Merom are hardly different at all.. so naming them the same makes some sense as well.


RE: Confusing?
By zsdersw on 5/8/2006 9:39:18 PM , Rating: 2
I also like how the logos are different from current Core logos.


RE: Confusing?
By hstewarth on 5/8/2006 11:07:05 PM , Rating: 2
Why complain? I guess you could call the Meron "Core Duo 2 Mobile" but than any body with right mind would know its mobile because its in a notebook.

If they are actually the same, this could be really good news for notebook industry - that mans the bus will the same - or that will be only thing different.

Anyway the desktop and mobile computers are blending so much lately, maybe one day its going to be one processor. Maybe the power requirements are so low - there no need to keep seperate processor. So low in fact the Woodcrest is lower than current Intel cpus.


RE: Confusing?
By The Cheeba on 5/9/2006 12:12:55 AM , Rating: 2
I tend to agree with you, but what about the Pentium 4 processors that intel used to put in laptops? I think that people will THINk they are getting a desktop chip.


woodcrest?
By Dubb on 5/7/2006 2:13:36 PM , Rating: 2
so what about the 2-socket chips?




RE: woodcrest?
By Mclendo06 on 5/7/2006 2:54:39 PM , Rating: 2
Supposed to ship June last I heard. No idea what it will be called. Core Duo Xeon, or Xeon Core Duo perhaps. We shall see.


RE: woodcrest?
By hstewarth on 5/7/2006 3:57:50 PM , Rating: 2
I think Server chips are the Xeon 51xx series - besides with dual cpu support, higher speed bus 1333Mhz instead of 1066Mhz. Other things like FB-Dimm support - which is suppose to be 4x faster than normal memory.

The Core 2 Extreme is basically a Woodcrest in desktop packaging.


Chipset compatibility...
By Sumanji on 5/7/2006 6:16:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Conroe and Merom will both be backwards compatible with recently manufactured desktop and mobile motherboards.


Will the current mobile i945GT chipset support Merom then? I'm specifically wondering about the MSI 945GT Speedster Plus desktop mobo. Was thinking about building one now with a Celeron M 420 and dropping a Merom in it later on. Is that possible?

Thanks :)




RE: Chipset compatibility...
By shadowzz on 5/7/2006 6:21:26 PM , Rating: 2
Conroe needs a special voltage regulator -- upgrading from Pentium to Core 2 Duo.

Merom is less specific, though many of the motherboards for notebooks were designed drop in compatible between Merom and Yonah.


RE: Chipset compatibility...
By Sumanji on 5/7/2006 9:18:22 PM , Rating: 2
So is it a safe bet to assume the voltage specs are ok on the MSI mobo...? I'm hoping all it will need is a BIOS update :)


64 bit?
By timmiser on 5/11/2006 2:54:52 AM , Rating: 2
So is this new chip a 64 bit chip like the Athlon64's?




RE: 64 bit?
By InternetGeek on 5/12/2006 5:29:24 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think so. Unless the chipsets in 'recently manufactured desktop and mobile motherboards' can handle it I don't see how they can make Core 2 64-bits.


RE: 64 bit?
By chickenselects on 5/13/2006 11:08:02 AM , Rating: 2
yes they are 64bit.

"Intel on Sunday announced that its new 64-bit dual core chips for laptop and desktop computers will both be called"Core 2 Duo", hoping to reignite interest in its products amid tough competition from rival Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)."

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=1...

I dont know if its native 64bit or what but im sure it will run a 64bit OS just fine.


So good they had to name it twice! Like Mahi Mahi
By Hulk on 5/8/2006 8:53:44 AM , Rating: 2
Core 2 Duo

Core 2 2

Core Duo Duo

I think Core Duo Duo would have been better actually.

Then Core Duo Trio for next generation

Core Quadro Duo for the 4 core 2nd generation chip

Core Quadro Trio...etc..!!!





By Alphafox78 on 5/8/2006 2:57:00 PM , Rating: 3
Why is this so confusing? Duo represets dual core.. makes perfect sense to me