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EBay competitor Silkfair sells a variety of handmade crafts and jewlry. Cathleen McLain used to sell on eBay, but now she sells her handmade scarves and jewlry, such as the one seen here, on Silkfair.  (Source: Cathleen McLain)
Smaller competitors gnaw at eBay's bottom line, but eBay insists no change is needed

The good times are rolling, according to eBay, with reports of higher than expected profits.  EBay CEO John Donahoe comments, "We may have some sellers that make some noise, but we're absolutely confident of the direction we're going."

But there's a cloud in that silver lining -- Mr. Donahoe is alluding to the rising seller dissatisfaction with eBay policies that have undergone several revisions which make the climate more hostile for sellers by charging them higher fees and making it easier to give them negative feedback.  While eBay may deny that this dissatisfaction is affecting its bottom line, it has seen many long-time sellers leave.

Some argue that there's no one on the internet quite like eBay in terms of profile, so sellers will remain despite the poor conditions.  Many sellers are finding other homes, though, on smaller sites like
Wigix, Silkfair, Etsy and Oodle. 

These small sites offer perks such as how-to-videos to sellers and charge lower fees than eBay.  Some sellers also find that specific auction sites such as Etsy, which focuses on handmade jewelry, are easier to sell on than eBay's catch-all marketplace.  Cathleen McLain, a 58-year-old jewelry maker who began selling her handmade necklaces on Silkfair early this year after leaving eBay states, "I don't need a million people to see my things, just the right people who have hopefully good taste to buy my things."

One problem with small sites is lack of accountability.  Buyers must beware on small sites as they do not necessarily keep track of seller records like eBay.  Also, most sites don't have a generous return policy like Amazon's "A to Z Guarantee" which insures up to $2,500 in merchandise from being defective or inaccurate.  EBay shoppers using subsidiary PayPal receive 100 percent protection from fraudulent transactions.

Sucharita Mulpuru, an analyst at Forrester Research states, "You're always taking a risk with sellers from sites like these.   Unless there are guarantees or some seller ratings like the ones eBay has accumulated over time, there will always be some bad experiences."

The changes at eBay did drive away Ms. McClain, despite the risks of associating with smaller sites.  She says that other users were considering the shift to Silkfair one eBay message board conversations, where she first got the idea.  The site which opened in March has one trump card over eBay -- it displays much larger images, perfect for showcasing jewelry designs.

Ms. Mulpuru of Forrester Research isn't convinced that the small upstarts can displace eBay though.  She says that many have tried, but only Amazon has ever had any success.  In fact, one in every five dollars spent on the internet still goes to eBay or Amazon, she says.

That's not stopping competitors from trying though.  Another competitive site is Etsy.  Etsy, like SilkFair, focuses on crafts.  One key perk is it offers a slideshow advertising for sale items on the front page.  This is a feature eBay doesn't have.  Also it offers online workshops for crafters and instructional articles on topics such as woodcarving and crocheting.

Another popular eBay alternative is Wigix which popped up last year and was cofounded by James Chong, who helped develop Charles Schwab's original Web-trading application.  He created a site which focused on fix price sales, similar to eBay's "Buy It Now" option.  He says this is advantageous for some over eBay.  The site also allows sellers items to appear on social networking sites partnered with Wigix.

Jerod Husvar, a seller of used-car parts for sport-compacts, decided to move his business from eBay to Wigix due to its perks.  He complains that until recently eBay didn't offer phone support to sellers, and that it would take 30 or more minutes on the line just to get hold of a service representative.  Mr. Husvar states, "We built our business around eBay.  They lost focus. All their money comes from sellers. Buyers are what drive the market, but you need quality and protection for the sellers or else they don't even want to deal with the buyers."

EBay refused to comment on the specific complaints.  It would only say it tries to balance buyers' and sellers' interests.  It also says that the new sites are not a surprise to it and that wise sellers often sell on a number of sites, including eBay.



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There are lots of alternatives
By PVH on 8/13/2008 11:27:08 AM , Rating: 2
The article mentions two or three alternatives to eBay but sellers should realise there are many more.
I studied the long list of alts on Pheebay.com and finally settled on MilBid.com as my alternative. The great thing is that profits on the site go to support military personel in need. You don't have to settle for what eBay dishes out.




RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 8/13/2008 12:00:52 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, there are lots of them out there. However, I do not know the names nor have I tried them....

Anyone who has used a difference site please list them, and say what you liked or disliked. I'd like to find a new place to sell my items.

that milbid.com sounds like a good, at least it backs a good cause.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Fant on 8/13/2008 12:13:31 PM , Rating: 3
When is Google gonna start a competing auction site supported by their google checkout system? I totally agree with others that Paypal only looks after their interest. If they cannot retreive the money, they will pass on that loss to the customer...they are not willing to lose money even with their supposed guarantee. I'm surprised they havent been sued.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By PVH on 8/13/2008 12:19:46 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure Google want to get into online auctions. It would be really neat if Microsoft bought eBay.


By Seemonkeyscanfly on 8/13/2008 12:30:04 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, I would like to see Google start something up.

All bank credit card departments/areas, get away with murder. I've experienced it from both sides buyer and merchant (no not counting paypal). Believe it or not paypal is more fair then many of the credit cards out there, from a merchant point of view. Buyer side not the same story, but not totally unfair.
Point is, all the card companies charge huge fees to the seller and pass 100% of unexpected expense onto the buyers and sellers. They should be using some of the fees to create a self-insured protection program for both buyers and sellers not just lining their pockets.


By JoshuaBuss on 8/14/2008 12:47:27 PM , Rating: 2
have you never heard of google base?

base.google.com


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Mitch101 on 8/13/2008 1:06:24 PM , Rating: 2
New One Launched last a few weeks ago: NJDevil.com

Easy to remember the name.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Mitch101 on 8/13/2008 1:07:21 PM , Rating: 2
For those who cant cut and paste
http://www.NJDevil.com


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By PVH on 8/13/2008 1:27:46 PM , Rating: 2
N J Devil looks like a very worthwhile adsvertising site. Is it local or nationwide? What are the fees? (I know I could go searching but I'm lazy)


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Mitch101 on 8/13/2008 1:39:46 PM , Rating: 2
None its a completely free site like craigs list.

Lots of houses for sale on the site.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 8/13/2008 2:21:34 PM , Rating: 2
I did not see a lot listed...However, you did say just open up last week. Also did not see any adds. If free listing, how are they making money? They need to make something to pay for time, effort and site.
though looks interesting.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Mitch101 on 8/13/2008 3:11:19 PM , Rating: 2
Start here and browse through the home listngs.
http://www.njdevil.com/-3/posts/2_HOUSING/0/

Or on the right hand side click under USA or one of the states under it then click on housing or a subcategory.

Or use the search and type something like Atlanta with housing category.

Red Belly Piranha anyone?
http://www.njdevil.com/-3/posts/5_PETS/88_Other_Pe...


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By mommyto3 on 8/13/2008 7:34:35 PM , Rating: 2
I have tried at least 6 of the Alt auction sites and have decided to settle myself at Milbid. I like the fact it stands for something and has an owner that is not out to just line his own pockets. The admins are very responsive to any questions and trying to build a active auction site. This site is to help you build your business and make and keep your own money. We have gained over 300 members in just 6 months it has more than doubled when I joined in the beginning of June.
Check it out and see for yourself. A truly no fees website.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By walk2k on 8/13/2008 12:44:13 PM , Rating: 1
I never had a problem with ebay, buying or selling, but then again I didn't try to make my living on it by selling lots of small-price items at high volume, which it is definitely not designed for. Why would you even want to sell something for less than $50 on ebay? Cripes, either have a garage sale or just THROW YOUR JUNK IN THE GARBAGE.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 8/13/2008 12:58:24 PM , Rating: 3
Just because it has a value less then $50. does not make it junk.
Not everyone lives in an area where a garage sale will draw in enough people or the right people to buy what you are offering.
Just throwing stuff away instead of re-using it, or find someone else who could use the item is how we as a people have become so wasteful. Yes, of course there is a point were junk is junk but do not let the value of it determine if it is junk.
Example – DVD's maybe I've watch the movie 20 times and never want to see it again. New still sell for $15.00 but I have no need. I can sell it used for $2.00 however, I live on a farm 30 mile from my nearest neighbor. It's not going to sell in a garage sale, still a good movie, and someone out there would buy it verse going into a landfill. The problem is that e-bay/paypal will collect $1.15 of that $2.00 (or more). Not a “fair” percentage at all.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Junkee on 8/13/2008 1:14:58 PM , Rating: 2
I sell on Ebay also but decided to move half my inventory off because it's slow selling stuff (Collectables)and the listing fee's above .03 cents would really take a bit out of my profit margin.

I have been looking for an alternative auction site to do business on with good features and an attractive atmosphere. Ioffer is getting all the sellers that are tired of Ebay and everyone is piling their listings there.

I tried Ioffer but have only gotten 1 sale and 3 NPB's. Now I'm taking a different route and am getting involved with Milbid http://www.milbid.com/index.php .

Milbid is only 6 months old but has gained alot of sellers after the things I myself am looking for. The owner is working hard with sellers and buyers to create a marketplace everyone can be happy with. Milbid is experiancing some growing pains but these pains will be resolved over the next few months.

I can't find a place to do sales so me and some of my internet friends decided to "Make A Place". The plans are set for Milbids developement and this message is encourage buyers and sellers to come have a look and check into Milbid once in awhile to see what's going on even if you don't sign on as a member.

Thanks!


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By walk2k on 8/13/2008 1:39:32 PM , Rating: 2
3 cents?? Or did you mean $3??

I can see $3 being a problem if you're trying to sell small items like DVDs or something (again, not what Ebay is for) but 3 cents... if that kills your business then all I gotta say is you have major problems with your business model...


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Polynikes on 8/13/2008 1:31:36 PM , Rating: 2
That sounds like a great alternative. Being a former Marine, supporting the troops is definitely a worthy cause for me.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By mommyto3 on 8/13/2008 7:40:00 PM , Rating: 2
That was part of the reason I joined. My husband is a 100% disabled Navy vet and my son served in the army reserves in OIF. So I strongly support anything that gives back to the people who served us.


By ScienceFare on 8/17/2008 12:15:44 PM , Rating: 2
There are indeed plenty of alternatives to eBay that exist. One good recent start-up is called ATOMIC MALL, and the site provides a fresh perspective for buyers and sellers alike. The ATOMIC MALL is well worth investigating.
http://atomicmall.com


I'm sick of ebay.
By jadeskye on 8/13/2008 10:51:05 AM , Rating: 3
Insertion charges, then item completion charges, then paypal charges.

i'm sick to death of ebay cutting my profits to a hairline too.




RE: I'm sick of ebay.
By 306maxi on 8/13/2008 10:53:51 AM , Rating: 2
Yup, me too. It would be nice if there was just one transparent charge. But as it is there's a little bit here, a little bit there and an extra bit on top.


RE: I'm sick of ebay.
By SiliconJon on 8/13/2008 10:57:44 AM , Rating: 2
Hear hear! I went to list a little $25 computer item a few days ago and I was going to pay over $3 in Ebay fees, and then there's PayPal...sheesh, forget that. I'll be overjoyous to find alternatives to Ebay, and to some degree already have by putting my goods for sale in forums.


RE: I'm sick of ebay.
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/13/2008 10:59:19 AM , Rating: 2
That plus the fact that seller can't give negative feedback if a BIG detractor as well.

I've been on eBay for ten years. Had 2800+ positives, no neutrals, no negatives. Then within the past week I got a negative and a neutral because two fools didn't bother to read the auctions. On top of that, one of them never even contacted me before giving neutral feedback. I never even knew they had an issue until they dropped the neutral.

And with eBay's new policies, a neutral is basically the same as a negative.


RE: I'm sick of ebay.
By Chadder007 on 8/13/2008 11:36:44 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed, im sick of eBay also. The CEO has gone insane with this BS. I doubt eBay will even be there in a few more years if they keep this up.


RE: I'm sick of ebay.
By Mitch101 on 8/13/2008 1:21:47 PM , Rating: 3
They will operate like the price of gas. Raise it so high until it starts to peak profits then raise it again and if profits drop they will begin to drop their prices or hide the costs somewhere else. The problem is people are still using ebay because it still has the maximum exposure.

As for PayPal LOL - When have they ever refunded anyone for a fraud/bad transaction? I have heard of plenty of freezing legitimate peoples accounts. While I use PayPal I use a credit card because its easier to dispute the charge on my credit card then to be ignored by PayPal.


RE: I'm sick of ebay.
By Icelight on 8/13/2008 1:42:26 PM , Rating: 2
Surprisingly enough I've had my full money refunded by Paypal within a month in all 3 instances that I got ripped off on Ebay. It was still a white-knuckles affair each time, after all the bad stuff I've heard about Paypal "protection".

I still pretty much gave up even with buying on Ebay though...all those 3 instances happened pretty much back-to-back (over a few months, but I rarely, if ever, buy from Ebay). All from sellers who had been around for at least a year with lots of positive feedback, the auctions looked legitimate, price was not too good to be true, etc. There's just no way to tell anymore.


RE: I'm sick of ebay.
By mindless1 on 8/13/2008 4:18:29 PM , Rating: 2
I too have received a refund through Paypal once after waiting about 4 weeks.


RE: I'm sick of ebay.
By Broken on 8/13/08, Rating: 0
RE: I'm sick of ebay.
By arazok on 8/13/2008 1:28:17 PM , Rating: 3
Time to start taxing these windfall profits!


RE: I'm sick of ebay.
By walk2k on 8/13/2008 1:42:24 PM , Rating: 2
It's called commission, same as any other consignment/broker type setup.


RE: I'm sick of ebay.
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 8/13/2008 11:52:35 AM , Rating: 2
Well I understand the need for a listing fee and paypal charging a fee to transfer funds. Not a problem. It's the amount of the Fees, then all the add on fee's, then they get to collect a percentage of my sale (if it sells). It you sell anything under $5.00 on e-bay you lose money and that's not counting the cost of the product you are trying to sell.
I found a stack (about a foot) of my brother's old baseball cards from the late 60's early 70's. I talked with my brother and we decided we'd sell them. Well that idea died fast. I figured by the time I took a photo, listed, sold it (if player would sell), then paid selling fee, then paid paypal fee. I'd have to clear $2.60 before I start seeing a penny in my pocket. Now, with gas price up and people brains going down, they do not understand shipping UPS starts at $10. then goes up, USPO starts at maybe $1.50 for something to send a baseball card in. (no insurance of course). I'm sure someone would like the cards we have however, they are not going to pay $5.10 (so that I do not lose money) for a card worth $2.00 or less. Yes, could sell in group but that sucks in my book.


RE: I'm sick of ebay.
By PVH on 8/13/2008 12:35:56 PM , Rating: 2
My sympathies Seemonkeyscanfly. You are absolutely right about the fees. It is very disheartening to see eBay making so much while I make so little. The website Pheebay.com have a calculator that shows exactly how much you lose on a $5 item, I think eBay take about 30% for starters. It really sucks.


RE: I'm sick of ebay.
By walk2k on 8/13/2008 1:40:57 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly I have to say a lot of sellers should have seen this coming, when you list an item for $.02 then charge $25 shipping & "handling" what did you expect Ebay to do?


Paypal 100% coverage my a....
By BaDaBooM on 8/13/2008 10:59:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
EBay shoppers using subsidiary PayPal receive 100 percent protection from fraudulent transactions


This is just not true. I had a seller that basically took the money and ran. After Paypal's drawn out dispute process (during which the seller never responded to anything), they tried to only give me about a third of what I lost. Luckily I had used my credit card and filed a dispute with them to get all my money back.

Always use a credit card in case a dispute happens!




RE: Paypal 100% coverage my a....
By PandaBear on 8/13/2008 11:12:24 AM , Rating: 2
Very true, and you know what? if you are not using credit card for ebay auction on paypal, they pull a cash advance on you. I have to file a complain through my credit card to let them know and they reverse the fee for me. Ebay doesn't do a damn thing and blame my credit card company for that.

Fvck ebay, I am starting to switch the low value items to craigslist as fast as I can.


RE: Paypal 100% coverage my a....
By tungtung on 8/13/2008 12:39:23 PM , Rating: 2
Personally I've only once gotten a "refund" ... and that was because I filed the dispute after the seller never responded to my emails.

And I know a friend who lose close to $2,000 on a laptop he sold on eBay because apparently the seller pay through Paypal using fake credit card. What happened was after he received the payment, he sent out the item later that day. But the day after when he tried to check if the payment has been transferred to his bank account, all he get was that the transaction was delayed. And after almost a full month Paypal said that there was a fraudulent transaction and they never give anything to my friend. This not to mention that eBay still demanded him to pay the insertion fee and the final value fee, which quite honestly is just low.

Also just to be cautious, in the past there are several credit card companies who won't provide protection whatsoever for transactions made through Paypal. I don't know what that is the case now, but this was like 3 or 4 years ago and it was with a Canadian bank and their credit card.

Oh and on another note, there is actually a very easy way for "sellers" to screw buyers through Paypal. All they need to do apparently is just to either email or fax Paypal a receipt from any courier or post office that an item has been sent out from the said "seller". This is something I heard from a friend who works for a company who specializes in helping people list their items on eBay. As long as the "seller" can provide this "proof" (which he said can be easily forged anyway, since Paypal apparently never check the authenticity or even the address where the supposed item is being sent out ), they will close the dispute right away.

Not to mention (again I'm not sure what is Paypal's current policy) but they will not cover problem with damaged items and/or mis-represented items. I have had this kind of dispute with both Paypal and eBay for several times in the past and honestly their dispute resolution process for damaged and/or mis-represented items it just a total farce. Since in the end the seller always win anyway.


RE: Paypal 100% coverage my a....
By PandaBear on 8/13/2008 2:42:11 PM , Rating: 2
Your friend should bring paypal/ebay to the local small claim court. What ebay would do in the end is either fly someone out there to court and probably lose, or compensate/refund your friend with its own insurance claim.


RE: Paypal 100% coverage my a....
By PVH on 8/13/2008 8:27:21 PM , Rating: 2
Hi PandaBear,
How do you sell on CL? Meaning...do you let people come to your door to pay and collect? That would'nt be safe around here so I was hoping you have another way of doing business.


RE: Paypal 100% coverage my a....
By Trikat on 8/16/2008 12:12:52 PM , Rating: 2
Just so everybody knows PayPal's dispute/claim/guarantee process is a joke.
It is stated in their terms that if they cannot recover the funds from the frauster's account they will not beable to give you your money back.
So all the seller needs to do is transfer the money to their bank account (usually takes 2-4 business days) or transfer the money to another PayPal account! After doing that they will be able to keep your money and the item(s). Now you can sue the seller, but that is only if you want to spend time and money in doing so...
To make it even worse for the buyer eBay/PayPal both state/imply the seller should be given a few days to ship the item. When I say imply I mean PayPal will not allow the buyer to start a dispute/claim against a seemingly legitimate seller until seven days has passed (I think).
There really is no "guarantee" from eBay or PayPal... But you will see PayPal buyer guarantee posted on eBay listings. For example, "Up to $2,000 in buyer protection."

Now for the dispute/claim resolution... I have found that division to be a complete joke. A lot of my dispute/claims are not straightfoward and if it is not simple enough for a small kid to resolve, then the PayPal dispute/claim department will get easily confused. No matter how clear I tried to explain my case in a mature manner I have lost over 50% of my claims. To make matters worse you only get one or two chances to fully explain your case. You cannot appeal the decision.
I finally got fed up and filed a BBB complaint and the corportate reply was the same mundane crap. They did not even bother to re-review my case, BUT they did give me a "one time courtesy refund". I would rather have them straighten out the idiots working on the disputes/claims and re-review my case so I can actually have a decent shot and winning it...
To be honest I do not think most PayPal employees completely read what I type and instead just briefly skim over it.
A general example would be I constantly get email replys from companies and they forget to address one or two of the questions I have asked. I would then have to email back that company with the same question. This has happened over and over again and the reason is due to the skim reading these representatives are doing or perhaps they do not really bother due to the stress from other more aggressive emails. Customer service is a tough job since you always get some person who does not make any sense at all or is always rude.

So the bottom line is always use a credit card if you are making a purchase through PayPal.
Do no rely too much on the PayPal dispute/claims department to protect you as they are reliable at all.


How to have 100% STR away from ebay..FOR FREE.
By PVH on 8/13/2008 1:19:25 PM , Rating: 2
I left eBay over a year ago and I have close to a 100% sell through rate on my items since then and all for FREE. Who the He!! needs eBay?

Here's how it works.

1) Join a great alternative online selling site like Milbid.com. They give you everything you need to list and sell your item with NO FEES whatsoever.

2) Free does not mean you list and wait for a sale. You MUST advertise your items. I advertise on Oodle, Google Groups, Yahoo 360, my Blog, and anywhere I can place a free classified ad. You could also use sosial sites like Facebook, MySpace and Bebo(I don't use them).

MilBid.com + Free Advertising = SALES WITH PROFIT.

eBay + PayPal + FEES = SALES BUT NO PROFITS




By PandaBear on 8/13/2008 2:43:00 PM , Rating: 2
What do you use for payment option?


By PVH on 8/13/2008 5:14:52 PM , Rating: 2
Hi PandaBear,
You should sign up for Google Checkout. It is free at the moment...how long will that last is anybody's guess.


By mommyto3 on 8/13/2008 7:38:47 PM , Rating: 2
Right now Milbid offers, google checkout, paypal, RME, moneybookers and other payment options just choose whatever payment option you want when you list. I use RME, Google Check and Paypal


Protection?
By tastyratz on 8/13/2008 11:12:09 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
EBay shoppers using subsidiary PayPal receive 100 percent protection from fraudulent transactions.

Protection? How many people have been screwed by paypal? You can hardly rely on them protecting your interests - they only protect theirs.
Your protected by paypal only if the bank allows them to chargeback or pull the funds from the offending account. If by the time they get to it the funds are gone or the account closed - your out of luck. I have been boned on several transactions with paypal and always pull from a creditor if I suspect any possibility of question from a seller. Most of the time I file a paypal complaint, wait months, then open a visa complaint that charges back on paypal because they did nothing. One of my complaints is still open after a year right now "pending review"

Google "paypal sucks", don't operate under the illusion that they are going to protect anyone's interests if it impacts a penny of their own.




By bugmenot1960 on 8/13/2008 12:14:24 PM , Rating: 2
This is a huge steaming pile of lie. I killed my ebay account after 10 years because of the "use paypal or else" trend along with the cable company like fee hikes combined with the cable company like customer service. Been a steady CL user ever since and have had exactly ZERO problems since leaving ebay.




By HsiKai on 8/13/2008 12:46:44 PM , Rating: 2
It's too bad eBay has a stake (I think it's ~27%) in Craigslist. CL is a great place for local stuff but I can't imagine using it regularly for the kinds of stuff I buy long distance (mainly import).

eBay's monopoly of only accepting Paypal as a secure and fast method of payment should be illegal.


MilBid.com an excellent alternative
By moondance4me on 8/13/2008 12:47:15 PM , Rating: 2
This is my 2 cents worth on alternative sites. There are a bunch coming up, I'm registered with 2-3 right now but the one I am paying closest attention to is MilBid.com. I've been on the Bay in the past, got my start there in auctions selling etc. but refuse to anymore because of many reasons already stated here.
The best one I've found so far, the one showing the most promise, is MilBid. The owner/founder is truly one of the hardest working individuals I've come across. He is committed to the cause and seriously listens to the sellers as to what is needed etc. There are a good many sellers there that I know for a fact to be honest and ethical. The help that is available is awesome. Yes, it is a ground floor operation right now but is in the top 100 and climbing fast. Sales are slow for some but where aren't they slow right now in an almost dead economy. My bet is with MilBid.com and I intend to stay there for the duration. It's a family oriented operation and you sure can't beat the cause behind it, supporting our troops. Lord knows they need all the help they can get. Besides, you can't beat the fees either! (try free for everything!)

Moondance4me




By rainbowseeker on 8/13/2008 1:12:04 PM , Rating: 2
I'm selling on Milbid too, as well as a couple other sites and I am also a powerseller on eBay.... looking for a new home. I also like that MilBid checks out the auctions as they are listed. You receive a notice from a few hours to a day or two after you post an auction that it has been screened and approved by the management. Not many sites do that which perhaps explains why I haven't seen any dodgey looking items listed on there. Milbid is one of those small but growing fast sites and I am very excited about being there!

Any of you eBay sellers who haven't started looking for a new home....you need to think about it seriously IMHO. Sellers are leaving eBay daily for very good reasons and it's only a matter of time until the buyers start seriously looking at the alternative sites too. Buyers already seem to be learning how to search using google and google products. I've had some very nice sales on some of my alternative sites by working to improve my SEO and getting my items to come up higher in the search engines. I'm thinking pretty soon we won't need eBay any more. :-)


By geeg on 8/13/2008 11:30:45 AM , Rating: 2
What kind of arrogant comment is this?

Worst thing about capitalism is these CEO's who do not understand that their existence is coupled to the customers and workers that make up the organization.

Even from a pure selfish point of view he shoots in the foot. From the society point of view what do these CEO's contribute anyway? Other than representing a rich individual sitting at the source and making a mafia-like collection.




dead to me
By wills916 on 8/13/2008 12:56:28 PM , Rating: 2
I only occasionally sell items on ebay, and until a couple weeks ago I hadn't sold anything there in over a year, so the changes they've made hadn't affected me yet. But sure enough, the first TWO items I've sold on there in over a year were won by deadbeat / non-paying bidders. And now I cant even leave negative feedback! Byebye ebay.




The big competitor........
By phxfreddy on 8/13/2008 12:59:46 PM , Rating: 2
.......is OLX.com ...experienced competitor there. Ebay should prepare to see their lunch eaten.




Fixed Price Retailers
By DXRick on 8/13/2008 4:10:12 PM , Rating: 2
I can see those wanting to sell items at fixed Buy it now prices leaving Ebay. But for those that want to actually auction an item, how can they beat Ebay? Even with higher fees, they will get more bidders, resulting in higher ending prices for their items.

I never liked Ebay for buying new retail things anyway. It is the place to go to buy someone else's used stuff. ;)




How much is too much
By Generic Guy on 8/13/2008 5:36:09 PM , Rating: 2
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Why would you even want to sell something for less than $50 on ebay?


On the flip side, I would never risk spending anything more than around $50 on eBay.

We've all heard horror stories about things like $2000 laptop scams and so forth, and I can't help but think who in blazes would ever risk that much money thru eBay/PayPal. I'd never risk more than I could afford to lose with those jokers.




By Junkee on 8/13/2008 9:22:08 PM , Rating: 2
Milbid is new and nobody wants to go to a site that doesn't have to many sales but unless sellers build a site that has lots of potential there will be whinning and crying for the next 20 years about the high fee's at Ebay.

Yea, I've been around the block with these alternatives and it's the same sad story. No sales or only an occasional sale. Even with the sites that have alot more listings there's nothing going on and the sad story continues.

I've been on all these other sites, gave up and was going to throw all my stuff back on Ebay and pay the fee's. I passed through Milbid, talked to some of the sellers there, listened to the owner and decided to make Milbid my last stand. I'm on Ioffer also and have had one sale and 3 NPB's in 4 months. I started to do regular sales on Yahoo but that site was so mis-managed it went under.

So I say to everyone, when you get tried of not having a place to sell your items check out Milbid occasionally when you get time to see what's going on there. Even if you don't join just stop in from time to time and have a look around.




By ScienceFare on 8/17/2008 12:22:04 PM , Rating: 2
It's time to seriously consider moving part, or all of your business away from eBay. One good recent start-up is called ATOMIC MALL, and the site provides a fresh perspective for buyers and sellers alike. Ease of use from a buyer or seller perspective, friendly help and discussion forums, and no listing fees whatsoever, with only a reasonable final value fee.

The ATOMIC MALL is well worth investigating.
http://atomicmall.com




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