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EBay competitor Silkfair sells a variety of handmade crafts and jewlry. Cathleen McLain used to sell on eBay, but now she sells her handmade scarves and jewlry, such as the one seen here, on Silkfair.  (Source: Cathleen McLain)
Smaller competitors gnaw at eBay's bottom line, but eBay insists no change is needed

The good times are rolling, according to eBay, with reports of higher than expected profits.  EBay CEO John Donahoe comments, "We may have some sellers that make some noise, but we're absolutely confident of the direction we're going."

But there's a cloud in that silver lining -- Mr. Donahoe is alluding to the rising seller dissatisfaction with eBay policies that have undergone several revisions which make the climate more hostile for sellers by charging them higher fees and making it easier to give them negative feedback.  While eBay may deny that this dissatisfaction is affecting its bottom line, it has seen many long-time sellers leave.

Some argue that there's no one on the internet quite like eBay in terms of profile, so sellers will remain despite the poor conditions.  Many sellers are finding other homes, though, on smaller sites like
Wigix, Silkfair, Etsy and Oodle. 

These small sites offer perks such as how-to-videos to sellers and charge lower fees than eBay.  Some sellers also find that specific auction sites such as Etsy, which focuses on handmade jewelry, are easier to sell on than eBay's catch-all marketplace.  Cathleen McLain, a 58-year-old jewelry maker who began selling her handmade necklaces on Silkfair early this year after leaving eBay states, "I don't need a million people to see my things, just the right people who have hopefully good taste to buy my things."

One problem with small sites is lack of accountability.  Buyers must beware on small sites as they do not necessarily keep track of seller records like eBay.  Also, most sites don't have a generous return policy like Amazon's "A to Z Guarantee" which insures up to $2,500 in merchandise from being defective or inaccurate.  EBay shoppers using subsidiary PayPal receive 100 percent protection from fraudulent transactions.

Sucharita Mulpuru, an analyst at Forrester Research states, "You're always taking a risk with sellers from sites like these.   Unless there are guarantees or some seller ratings like the ones eBay has accumulated over time, there will always be some bad experiences."

The changes at eBay did drive away Ms. McClain, despite the risks of associating with smaller sites.  She says that other users were considering the shift to Silkfair one eBay message board conversations, where she first got the idea.  The site which opened in March has one trump card over eBay -- it displays much larger images, perfect for showcasing jewelry designs.

Ms. Mulpuru of Forrester Research isn't convinced that the small upstarts can displace eBay though.  She says that many have tried, but only Amazon has ever had any success.  In fact, one in every five dollars spent on the internet still goes to eBay or Amazon, she says.

That's not stopping competitors from trying though.  Another competitive site is Etsy.  Etsy, like SilkFair, focuses on crafts.  One key perk is it offers a slideshow advertising for sale items on the front page.  This is a feature eBay doesn't have.  Also it offers online workshops for crafters and instructional articles on topics such as woodcarving and crocheting.

Another popular eBay alternative is Wigix which popped up last year and was cofounded by James Chong, who helped develop Charles Schwab's original Web-trading application.  He created a site which focused on fix price sales, similar to eBay's "Buy It Now" option.  He says this is advantageous for some over eBay.  The site also allows sellers items to appear on social networking sites partnered with Wigix.

Jerod Husvar, a seller of used-car parts for sport-compacts, decided to move his business from eBay to Wigix due to its perks.  He complains that until recently eBay didn't offer phone support to sellers, and that it would take 30 or more minutes on the line just to get hold of a service representative.  Mr. Husvar states, "We built our business around eBay.  They lost focus. All their money comes from sellers. Buyers are what drive the market, but you need quality and protection for the sellers or else they don't even want to deal with the buyers."

EBay refused to comment on the specific complaints.  It would only say it tries to balance buyers' and sellers' interests.  It also says that the new sites are not a surprise to it and that wise sellers often sell on a number of sites, including eBay.



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There are lots of alternatives
By PVH on 8/13/2008 11:27:08 AM , Rating: 2
The article mentions two or three alternatives to eBay but sellers should realise there are many more.
I studied the long list of alts on Pheebay.com and finally settled on MilBid.com as my alternative. The great thing is that profits on the site go to support military personel in need. You don't have to settle for what eBay dishes out.




RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 8/13/2008 12:00:52 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, there are lots of them out there. However, I do not know the names nor have I tried them....

Anyone who has used a difference site please list them, and say what you liked or disliked. I'd like to find a new place to sell my items.

that milbid.com sounds like a good, at least it backs a good cause.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Fant on 8/13/2008 12:13:31 PM , Rating: 3
When is Google gonna start a competing auction site supported by their google checkout system? I totally agree with others that Paypal only looks after their interest. If they cannot retreive the money, they will pass on that loss to the customer...they are not willing to lose money even with their supposed guarantee. I'm surprised they havent been sued.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By PVH on 8/13/2008 12:19:46 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure Google want to get into online auctions. It would be really neat if Microsoft bought eBay.


By Seemonkeyscanfly on 8/13/2008 12:30:04 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, I would like to see Google start something up.

All bank credit card departments/areas, get away with murder. I've experienced it from both sides buyer and merchant (no not counting paypal). Believe it or not paypal is more fair then many of the credit cards out there, from a merchant point of view. Buyer side not the same story, but not totally unfair.
Point is, all the card companies charge huge fees to the seller and pass 100% of unexpected expense onto the buyers and sellers. They should be using some of the fees to create a self-insured protection program for both buyers and sellers not just lining their pockets.


By JoshuaBuss on 8/14/2008 12:47:27 PM , Rating: 2
have you never heard of google base?

base.google.com


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Mitch101 on 8/13/2008 1:06:24 PM , Rating: 2
New One Launched last a few weeks ago: NJDevil.com

Easy to remember the name.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Mitch101 on 8/13/2008 1:07:21 PM , Rating: 2
For those who cant cut and paste
http://www.NJDevil.com


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By PVH on 8/13/2008 1:27:46 PM , Rating: 2
N J Devil looks like a very worthwhile adsvertising site. Is it local or nationwide? What are the fees? (I know I could go searching but I'm lazy)


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Mitch101 on 8/13/2008 1:39:46 PM , Rating: 2
None its a completely free site like craigs list.

Lots of houses for sale on the site.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 8/13/2008 2:21:34 PM , Rating: 2
I did not see a lot listed...However, you did say just open up last week. Also did not see any adds. If free listing, how are they making money? They need to make something to pay for time, effort and site.
though looks interesting.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Mitch101 on 8/13/2008 3:11:19 PM , Rating: 2
Start here and browse through the home listngs.
http://www.njdevil.com/-3/posts/2_HOUSING/0/

Or on the right hand side click under USA or one of the states under it then click on housing or a subcategory.

Or use the search and type something like Atlanta with housing category.

Red Belly Piranha anyone?
http://www.njdevil.com/-3/posts/5_PETS/88_Other_Pe...


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By mommyto3 on 8/13/2008 7:34:35 PM , Rating: 2
I have tried at least 6 of the Alt auction sites and have decided to settle myself at Milbid. I like the fact it stands for something and has an owner that is not out to just line his own pockets. The admins are very responsive to any questions and trying to build a active auction site. This site is to help you build your business and make and keep your own money. We have gained over 300 members in just 6 months it has more than doubled when I joined in the beginning of June.
Check it out and see for yourself. A truly no fees website.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By HelenW on 8/13/2008 12:22:54 PM , Rating: 2
I read pheebay.com too PVH and they recently reported that eBid has won the UK Web User magazines gold award for being the best alternative to eBay. They have over a million items on eBid now and they are a lot cheaper than eBay and offer some better auction options too that can save enormous amounts of time. Highly recommended based on my experience.

Helen


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 8/13/2008 12:33:27 PM , Rating: 2
Helen do you have a link to that report? might be an interesting read.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By PVH on 8/13/2008 12:38:50 PM , Rating: 2
I'm new here so I don't know the protocol about posting links. I have just read the report and it is very interesting. Let me know if it is O.K. to post link and I will.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 8/13/2008 12:47:20 PM , Rating: 2
I've never had a problem posting any link on dailytech. It is done often to back up one's statements.
If you have your own business or self promoting, then some will not like it. However, posting a link to something you found, saw or read so others can view it has never been a bad thing.


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By PVH on 8/13/2008 12:54:48 PM , Rating: 2
This is where I read about the eBid site this morning.

http://www.pheebay.com/?ebid-wins-gold-award-as-be...


RE: There are lots of alternatives
By walk2k on 8/13/2008 12:44:13 PM , Rating: 1
I never had a problem with ebay, buying or selling, but then again I didn't try to make my living on it by selling lots of small-price items at high volume, which it is definitely not designed for. Why would you even want to sell something for less than $50 on ebay? Cripes, either have a garage sale or just THROW YOUR JUNK IN THE GARBAGE.