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  (Source: CBS)
But almost all of that comes from third party apps stores in Asia and the Middle East

Google Inc. (GOOG) has fought the mobile war against Nokia Oyj. (HEX:NOK1V), Apple, Inc. (AAPL), and Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) (among others) and it has won -- at least in terms of OS market share.  
 
I. Almost No Android Malware in the U.S.; a Whole Lot in China
 
Roughly four out of every five devices sold around the globe today run a version of Android.  And Android is now the world's largest tablet platform as well, in terms of unit share.
 
But Android also has a massive malware headache.  A new report from Finnish security firm F-Secure claims 97 percent of the fast-growing field of mobile malware is Android exclusive.  But here comes the twist -- virtually all of that malware comes from smaller Asian and Middle Eastern third-party app stores.

F-Secure Android malware
Such mobile market.  Very malware.  Wow! [Image Source: F-Secure via Forbes]

On the official Google Play app and media store's apps section, only 1 in 1,000 apps was found to be classed as malware.  That's slightly higher than other platforms like Microsoft's Windows Phone Store and Apple's iOS App Store, but it's not that much higher.  Normalizing for market share, and it appears Google's official offerings are no less secure than Apple's or Microsoft's -- a pretty impressive feat given that its market share is nearing almost-monopoly proportions.

Google Play
Google Play is nearly malware free.

Amazon.com, Inc.’s (AMZN) Appstore -- a popular third-party app store -- was not examined, but it is also thought to be fairly secure.  So that means that the Android Americans know and love is probably about as secure as Windows Phone or iOS.
 
II. App Store Country Restrictions, Lack of Content, Developer Support Add to Problem
 
But the story becomes wildly different when you go overseas to Asia.
 
One third-party app store -- Android159 (it exists, but we're not sure of its location) -- had roughly 33.3 percent of its apps outed as pirated copies of Google Play apps rebundled to contain malware.  But many other larger regional third-party app stores had somewhat lower, but still alarming high malware rates.
 
Baidu.com, Inc. (ETR:B1Capp portal -- one of the most used third party app stores in China -- had an 8 percent rate of malware.  That means more than 1 in every 13 Android apps from Baidu is malicious and dangerous.  Two of China's fastest growing app stores -- AnZhi (5 percent malware rate) and Mumayi (6 percent malware rate) -- were also very dangerous.  Other Chinese app stores (liqucn -- 8 percent rate, eoeMarket -- 7 percent, StarAndroid -- 6 percent, appkke -- 7 percent rate, and angeeks -- 8 percent rate) are also peddlers of pestilence in the mobile space.  The bottom line here is that most Chinese customers have a more than 1 in 20 chance of downloading a malicious app.
malware by app store
Chinese apps stores are overrun with Android malware. [Image Source: F-Secure via Forbes]

It's no coincidence that many of the app stores in question come from China.  Not only does China have the world's biggest population of smartphone users, Google also does not allow its users official access to paid apps [source] -- a pretty sizeable snub.  Only a handful of other countries -- e.g. Iran and Syria  -- are exiled from app access, and in those cases the exile is often at the orders of the U.S. government.  China is a special case perhaps because of its rocky relationship with Google (which has remained silent on the cause of the snub).
 
For Chinese users perhaps the safest option is to get a repackaged version of the Play Store with a spoofed country code (if they can find a safe one).  This approach is fairly popular and accounts for roughly 6 percent of app downloads in China.  That's pretty impressive, given no official support is coming from Google.  But it's also worrisome considering that 94+ percent of Chinese users are grabbing apps from insecure sources.
F-Secure
F-Secure's list of most-repackaged-for-malware Android apps [Image Source: via Forbes]

A secondary issue is that while Google's Play Store is (relatively) secure, its regional support doesn't make certain kinds of content available.
 
For example in Japan you can get TV shows on the Play Store, but you can't get music.  In Germany you can get Music from the Play Store, but no TV shows.   Google offers virtually no support to developers in African nations, and many African nations only have access to the basic app store, no media content.  You can download movies off the Play Store in Brazil, but go to Argentina and Google won't let you download them.  And Brazil and Argentina both lack Google developer support.
 
Lack of support drives developers to make native language apps available at third-party app stores, as does lack of content.  And almost as a rule these app stores have more than 1 in 20 apps be a pirated app bundled with nasty malware surprises.
 
III. How to Support the Unsupportable?
 
There's no easy answer of how to improve this difficult scenario.  Forbes writes:

Google lags a long way behind Apple when making its app store available around the world. The most notable omission is China, where Apple has made significant progress in recent years.

While that may be true in the case of China -- home to the world's biggest population of mobile malware, virtually all of which is on Android -- the list of nations Google allows paid app downloads from is actually quite lengthy.

Android security
[Image Source: TechWeb]

This makes the situation less black-and-white.  Even if Google makes the Play Store available to the Chinese, it will remain vulnerable in other regions.  As the world's most used mobile OS its products are being used in places like Iran that U.S. companies are not allowed to do business in, hence it has no way of controlling security in these regions.  Further economic and political factors lead to users in many regions purchase devices with no-longer-supported versions of Android.  Here, Google again has no way of fixing the problem as prior to KitKat it had no way of forcing an update to any part of the operating system.

About the only way U.S. customers see much risk is in the well discussed issue of lacking updates to newer versions of Android -- a problem commonly termed "fragmentation".  F-Secure writes:

While the various enhancements released in each update incrementally improve the security of the platform itself, actual per-user security is highly variable, since the fragmented nature of the Android ecosystem between various device vendors makes it basically impossible to ensure a uniform security level across all users.  For most users, this means their device security ends up being largely in their own hands – both figuratively and practically.
 
Nexus 5
With the new Android v4.4 KitKat, core apps will get updates even after manufacturers and carriers abandon support.

 
The good news here is that as of Android 4.4 "KitKat" a change has been introduced allowing Google to directly update its core services.  This should lessen the issue of fragmentation, as all commonly used builds will receive new versions of core apps whenever a security issue is detected.  Within a few years the only vulnerabilities to go unpatched will be the more rare kernel-level exploits (which are generally only patched via version updates) or software on extremely old devices that predate KitKat.
 
For the most part neither problem applies to Apple’s iPhone and iOS -- because it's expensive, even when it comes to resale.  And it doesn't apply to Windows Phone as few in China and the Middle East are using Windows Phone.  So say what you will about Google, but it is keeping its customers in U.S. and most largely globally economies relatively safe with some minor exceptions.

Sources: F-Secure, Forbes



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Why is region locking still a thing?
By quiksilvr on 3/26/2014 7:33:04 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously, these companies need to realize that the only way you are going to get international people excited about your product is if you make it readily available without restrictions.

This goes for TV/movie makers as well. If Netflix/Amazon/Hulu license it, make it available globally. Stop gouging licensing prices and tagging restrictions like this.




RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By ritualm on 3/26/2014 9:06:40 PM , Rating: 3
As much as I'd end up getting shot down by Reclaimer77, here's something he doesn't want to know: practically the only way to legally purchase music and music streaming online in Canada...

... is Apple's iTunes.

Note how both Canada and Japan, themselves being "first world" countries, have zero access to Google Music. Meanwhile iTunes works for both. That Apple is even thinking about putting its iTunes store available on Android - with nothing confirmed at this point - is a godsend for us Canucks.

iTunes sucks. Yeah, well, a lot of you living in the 'States are unaware how fortunate you are to have a choice, compared to the folks living just north of the 49th Parallel.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/26/14, Rating: -1
RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By pandemonium on 3/27/2014 3:06:52 AM , Rating: 2
That's pretty terrible, man. I'm not going to say go out and pay for everything when you can obviously cheat and get it for free (because I don't expect that at all from anyone; myself included), but at least support the artists that you enjoy.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/27/14, Rating: -1
RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By BRB29 on 3/27/2014 8:13:20 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Yeah they really need my "support". Being super rich, famous, and wanting for nothing...


WTF? are you some extreme socialist? Artists make money by selling their art! if you enjoy the song, then pay for it like everyone else with a conscience and integrity. Their wealth has nothing to do with your "entitlement". I honestly think you just want to rant.

quote:
There are no starving artists anymore.

There are millions of artists. Almost all of them are dirt poor trying to make it.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By arazok on 3/27/2014 9:28:09 AM , Rating: 3
I'm a big believer in the free market, but you've got to admit that the money a successful artist makes is absurd considering how little value their product gives to society. Compare their compensation to an engineer at NASA for example.

Piracy is a symptom of a market that's demanding a way to deliver better service, cheaper products, or both. If the end result is that artists are compensated far far less, it's not because they are being robbed, it's because their product wasn't ever really worth that much to begin with.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By MrBlastman on 3/27/2014 12:10:13 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I'm a big believer in the free market, but you've got to admit that the money a successful artist makes is absurd considering how little value their product gives to society. Compare their compensation to an engineer at NASA for example.


Look, when I'm taking a piss in the office restroom (or any other public place), those licensed 80's soft rock tunes really help get the daily constitutional moving. :)

Creating intellectual property, be it scientific discoveries, engineering feats, literature, music, visal art or a sculpted collage of vaginas requires time, effort, mental ingenuity and perseverence. They don't make themselves!

Like everything else in society, whatever you create is a function of how popular it becomes. There are millions of starving artists because their works haven't achieved fame, following or recognition. The few that do--that actually find their works being bought and sold, they deserve direct compensation for their efforts within reason. If you like what they create and can afford to throw money their way--by all means, do so! It will help them make more.

This doesn't mean that if they are outrageously popular they don't deserve your money, unlike the starving artist barely struggling to get by. Give them what you can afford as a function of how much enjoyment they add to your life.

If all of society stopped paying for art or intellectual property, whatever it might be, then the creators will just stop... creating, at least publicly.

Likewise, if an artist/property creator becomes popular enough, it behooves them to consider "giving back" to the world in one way or another. A great way to do this is through free concerts or issuing a limited free license to one of their works. Jean Michel Jarre is one of many examples of amazing artists who have done this (shameless plug to the space ambient music genre).

Never forget it is always a joint effort between the artist and their fans--without either there would ultimately be nothing.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By arazok on 3/27/2014 9:16:22 PM , Rating: 2
Your right. A 5 minute tune is worth enough money to retire on. There is nothing wrong with that market.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By Adonlude on 4/1/2014 1:15:12 PM , Rating: 2
HA! Nothing is stopping you from getting rich off your own 5 minute tune...

nothing except talent, skill, patience, effort, training, marketing, equipment, seed money, band members, fan base, web presence...


By Reclaimer77 on 4/1/2014 4:31:05 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, no. That was the old way of becoming a successful artist.

Popular artists today are almost all manufactured by producers and record companies.

Take someone with good looks, fire up the auto-tune, give them some dance lessons and pre-written generic crap to "sing". Viola, instant pop start.


By NellyFromMA on 3/27/2014 1:40:59 PM , Rating: 3
Again, no such thing as a "successful artist". IF you are successful in the music industry today, it has little to do with being an artist.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/27/14, Rating: -1
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/27/2014 11:41:03 AM , Rating: 1
He's nothing but a troll.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By drlumen on 3/27/2014 11:53:55 AM , Rating: 2
I can guarantee that if you ever CREATED any music, video, app, software, drawings, pictures, ... and then see it get pirated you would change your attitude.

How do you expect indie bands to make it and stay together if they don't make any money from their music? There are no starving artists? You have got to be kidding!

I pirated a few things back when the internet was new but have went out of my way to pay for those things since - even if a pirated version was easier.

As an example, I actually BOUGHT A CD a couple of months ago because it wasn't available from Amazon or Walmart (iCrap will never touch my devices). Do I like the stranglehold that big media has on the market? Of course not! But, I'm not going to punish the artists because of a dysfunctional system.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/27/2014 5:38:49 PM , Rating: 3
Reclaimer makes the all the idiot regulars here look like geniuses. I don't think his posts can get any dumber but he proves me wrong at last once a week. I can't wait to see how he tops himself next.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/27/2014 5:46:46 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah you're right. I'm the only media pirate in the known universe...


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By retrospooty on 3/27/2014 6:09:33 PM , Rating: 1
I like how he says your posts "cant get any dumber" and then doesn't point out what exactly was dumb that you posted. There are different sides of this argument, you are obviously in the "download whatever is available to download is OK" camp... At worst you could say your attitude toward artists and their payment is dismissive of their efforts. Some may even say hearless, or mean spirited, but dumb? No.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/27/2014 8:55:13 PM , Rating: 3
No. Defense of piracy for the reasons he gave is dumb.

If you aren't being serviced then I can understand it. If you are being serviced but you decide to steal anyway then I have no sympathy for whatever your argument is, especially the "they're rich enough" argument. People can twist it all they like, its stupid, but I'm also not a socialist like reclaimer is. If someone has something of value then I'll pay for it, just like I expect to be paid.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By Spuke on 3/27/2014 11:15:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
People can twist it all they like, its stupid, but I'm also not a socialist like reclaimer is.
You must be new here.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/28/2014 5:27:09 AM , Rating: 2
Nope, it's not hard to miss. Defense of thievery deserves a jab at his so called pseudo "conservative" beliefs.


By retrospooty on 3/28/2014 8:11:38 AM , Rating: 2
"Defense of thievery deserves a jab at his so called pseudo "conservative" beliefs."

Oh, NOW I get it (he says a day after missing the joke) http://imgur.com/swPwmY7


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/28/14, Rating: 0
RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By Reclaimer77 on 3/28/14, Rating: 0
RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/28/2014 10:57:17 PM , Rating: 3
You aren't a conservative, even if you say you are.

You are a parasite.


By Cheesew1z69 on 3/30/2014 8:38:47 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You are a parasite.
Oh the irony....


By Reclaimer77 on 3/28/2014 9:18:32 AM , Rating: 2
Here let me help you illustrate the difference between Conservative and Liberal ideaology on this issue.

Liberal: Those artists are making too much money!!! It's unfair. Let's tax them more and limit their growth potential, so they pay their fair share to society rabble rabble rabble..

Conservative: Yeah they make a lot of money, more power to 'em. I'm just going to download what I want instead of being a bitter whining cu*t.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By retrospooty on 3/28/14, Rating: 0
RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By Rukkian on 3/28/2014 10:49:58 AM , Rating: 2
While I see both sides to this, would never admit to downloading online even if I did it (hasn't everybody at some point?). Where I do see what they are saying about liberal thinking is his comment that they have enough money. So since they made a product he wants, he has decided they have enough money and it should be redistributed to him (by taking the music and keeping the price of it). This to mean at least loosely fits liberalism - redistribution of wealth to even things out a bit.

I understand that some do not think it is stealing (I lean that way as well), and have no problem with people doing, as it really is a victim-less act (not a crime in my book).


By retrospooty on 3/28/2014 11:18:41 AM , Rating: 2
I agree to a point, but is the person downloading really at fault? I would think the person/site posting it would be the culprit, if you believe "culprit" is even the right concept. If its on the internet, available for download, you cant criminalize everyone that clicks it.

"What can I say, if you leave me doughnuts I'm gonna glaze 'um" - Pauly Shore


By Reclaimer77 on 3/28/2014 12:56:23 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
So since they made a product he wants, he has decided they have enough money and it should be redistributed to him -


lol that's absurd! I said nothing of the sort.

I only brought up their money because people use crazy hyperbole when discussing file sharing, to actually suggest the file-sharer is literally taking money from the artist directly. Which makes no logical sense.

Please, these are just haters spewing nonsense at me because they don't have two brain-cells to rub together. Don't go too in depth in an attempt to justify their idiocy.


By Rukkian on 3/28/2014 11:26:50 AM , Rating: 2
While I see both sides to this, would never admit to downloading online even if I did it (hasn't everybody at some point?). Where I do see what they are saying about liberal thinking is his comment that they have enough money. So since they made a product he wants, he has decided they have enough money and it should be redistributed to him (by taking the music and keeping the price of it). This to mean at least loosely fits liberalism - redistribution of wealth to even things out a bit.

I understand that some do not think it is stealing (I lean that way as well), and have no problem with people doing, as it really is a victim-less act (not a crime in my book).


By msheredy on 3/27/2014 12:19:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Artists make money by selling their art!

Allow me to correct you, for the sake of this argument let's stick with musicians. Record labels make money by selling musicians art. Musicians make money by touring and selling merchandise like t-shirts and chit.


By NellyFromMA on 3/27/2014 1:39:44 PM , Rating: 2
The artists you are referring to aren't typically the ones with record deals that sell albums or their tracks.

The artists you are referring to (the dirt poor ones) can be easily supported by going to their shows, typically locally.

Often, they will just give you their music burned to disc for free, or maybe for a dollar. They don't have their music on iTunes.


By NellyFromMA on 3/27/2014 1:37:04 PM , Rating: 2
Artists? I didn't realize they were still actually involved in the "music industry" anymore.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By Souka on 3/27/2014 3:13:10 AM , Rating: 2
I missed a broadcast on my cable TV of Dragon's Den. I tried to watch it on Hulu (I think), but it said I couldn't because I'm in the USA.

So f'kit.. I just downloaded a torrent of the show

Region locked? meh... just lawers, licensing, and greedy companies


By Spuke on 3/27/2014 11:16:54 PM , Rating: 2
Use a VPN dude.


By Flunk on 3/27/2014 9:07:35 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft's Xbox Music is available in Canada, that's what I use because I refuse to install the buggy, ugly and borderline unusable iTunes client on my Windows PC. The content list is ok but you have to be running Windows 8 to run the most recent version of the client which is pretty horrible for a lot of people.


By atechfan on 3/31/2014 6:11:23 PM , Rating: 2
There are plenty of legal ways to get music here. Xbox Music, Spotify, Grooveshark, among others. The lack of Google Music isn't even noticeable.


RE: Why is region locking still a thing?
By inperfectdarkness on 3/27/2014 8:58:50 AM , Rating: 5
Almost makes me think the content owners are in bed with VPN services. Almost.

And given a choice between iTunes and herpes, I'd take herpes.


By retrospooty on 3/27/2014 9:15:40 AM , Rating: 2
"given a choice between iTunes and herpes, I'd take herpes."

+1 LOL.

Up there with the worst POS software ever. Amazing that you still in 2014 cant plug in the latest iPhone and copy files like a flash drive without some 3rd party hack app.


New Commercial
By microAmp on 3/26/2014 8:22:57 PM , Rating: 2
Well, at least I know what Apple's new iPhone commercials will be like.




RE: New Commercial
By marvdmartian on 3/27/2014 7:15:25 AM , Rating: 3
No doubt! They will be crowing about this:
quote:
Android has 97 Percent of Mobile Malware

while TOTALLY neglecting to add in this:
quote:
But Nearly None in the U.S.


RE: New Commercial
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/27/2014 8:54:00 AM , Rating: 2
And also failing to mention this :

quote:
But here comes the twist -- virtually all of that malware comes from smaller Asian and Middle Eastern third-party app stores.


Facts please.
By lawrance on 3/28/2014 1:14:33 PM , Rating: 1
Wow this site if full of shit it amazes me I even visit. First off, I clicked on your reference links with all your numbers spouting off numerical "facts" only to find they reference previous articles posted here. I think click on those reference links to find... more DailyTech references! In fact, I couldn't find any outside factual sources leading to where you pull these numbers from!

Then to spout off shit like this: "Google's official offerings are no less secure than Apple's or Microsoft's -- a pretty impressive feat given that its market share is nearing almost-monopoly proportions."

No less secure? Monopoly proportions? Get a fucking clue.




RE: Facts please.
By W00dmann on 3/28/2014 1:30:42 PM , Rating: 2
That's a classic Jason Mick tactic - I've called him out on it before but he just doesn't seem to grasp that using yourself as a "source" does NOT lend legitimacy to your argument. Intelligence and journalistic integrity are in short supply with Mick.


RE: Facts please.
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/28/2014 2:46:36 PM , Rating: 2
Cry some more...


RE: Facts please.
By retrospooty on 3/28/2014 3:55:20 PM , Rating: 2
It never ceases to amaze me how so many Apple fans are not only whiny douche-bags, but amazingly ignorant of the tech they use every day. #iWhinebecauseidontknowjack


When numbers mislead
By YearOfTheDingo on 3/27/2014 4:13:28 AM , Rating: 2
The figures presented in the article are utterly meaningless. Percentages don't tell you anything about how dangerous the situation is. One malware for every thousand might be no better than one malware for every ten, since people don't download apps through random chance. The presence of a lot of non-malicious apps doesn't reduce the likelihood a of user downloading a malicious one. Malware makers generally will promise enticing features that no legitimate developer could offer.




Wait what?
By daneren2005 on 3/27/2014 6:23:09 PM , Rating: 2
"The good news here is that as of Android 4.4 "KitKat" a change has been introduced allowing Google to directly update its core services. This should lessen the issue of fragmentation, as all commonly used builds will receive new versions of core apps whenever a security issue is detected. Within a few years the only vulnerabilities to go unpatched will be the more rare kernel-level exploits (which are generally only patched via version updates) or software on extremely old devices that predate KitKat."

I can't remember ever once seeing a security problem that was because of the core apps. Every security vulnurability I have ever seen has been related to the overall framework that will still not be updated, except with a OS revision.




Invalid Calculation
By Wazza1234 on 3/26/14, Rating: -1
RE: Invalid Calculation
By ritualm on 3/26/2014 9:10:13 PM , Rating: 2
ITT: testerguy nitpicking at something relatively unimportant and spinning it as an Achilles' Heel.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By retrospooty on 3/26/2014 9:26:04 PM , Rating: 2
Glad I am not the only one who notices his m/o. LOL. Loser cubed (testerguy3) must be visiting his non banned IP tonight. Lucky us.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Reclaimer77 on 3/26/2014 9:36:37 PM , Rating: 1
Is this the 1990's again?

MacTard: Windows has all the viruses! HAHAHA Microsoft SUCKS!!!

Sensible non-retard: Uhhh that's because NOBODY is using the Mac compared to Windows PC's...

MacTard: So....Windows has all the viruses!!!


RE: Invalid Calculation
By retrospooty on 3/26/2014 9:46:29 PM , Rating: 2
Nah, probably not. Testerguy is just a sadistic nutjob.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By tonyswash on 3/27/14, Rating: 0
RE: Invalid Calculation
By Reclaimer77 on 3/27/2014 7:14:14 AM , Rating: 2
Bla bla bla bla


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Spuke on 3/27/2014 11:19:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Bla bla bla bla
LMAO!


RE: Invalid Calculation
By laviathan05 on 3/27/2014 9:17:21 AM , Rating: 3
Guess he should have titled it: "Is tonyswash in any way objective when it comes to Apple vs. anything?"


RE: Invalid Calculation
By retrospooty on 3/27/2014 10:20:45 AM , Rating: 2
Well, we know what Betteridge's law of headlines tells us the answer to that is... ;)


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Rukkian on 3/27/2014 10:39:45 AM , Rating: 2
Duplicate questions to your duplicate post:

Okay, I will bite, according to what?

Are you talking downloads from the play store vs app store? If so, read the article - many users (a high % in some contries) install from other sources. Even many in the U.S. do that as well (Amazon being a big one).

Are talking profits? If so, really you have to go there again? That does not affect users, which most on this board are as opposed to stock holders/developers. I have never found an app I actually wanted that was available on ios and not on an android, never. App availability is pretty much the same.

If not one of these, what other categories are you talking about? - See more at: http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=34595...


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Tony Swash on 3/27/14, Rating: 0
RE: Invalid Calculation
By Rukkian on 3/27/2014 2:01:55 PM , Rating: 2
You did not even answer my question. What "category" are you talking about? Most people (at least in the US) get their android apps from the play store, which has approximately the same malware rate as the App Store.

So again, what exactly are you even getting at. I am assuming you did not even read the article (or even the entire title) as malware is not issue in the US, and even other places is not nearly as much an issue with devices running a new version of the OS (meaning anything newer than ICS, which came out 2.5 years ago). Kit Kat, which is still relatively new, and not widespread has made malware and security issues an even smaller issue due to updates. Not a ton of devices have it yet, but it is the future outside of the crappy devices that still have 4 year old OS's on them.

The only place there is any real difference in malware is on app stores that specialize in pirated software (which there are plenty of for you beloved IOS). On IOS you do need to jailbreak your device to do it, but it is still out there.

I just don't understand what you are even trying to say. What categories do you say they should be leading in?


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/27/2014 2:43:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You did not even answer my question.
You actually expected him to answer you correctly?


RE: Invalid Calculation
By retrospooty on 3/27/2014 2:51:06 PM , Rating: 2
"malware is not issue in the US, and even other places is not nearly as much an issue with devices running a new version of the OS (meaning anything newer than ICS, which came out 2.5 years ago)"

You didnt expect Tony Swash try to paint anything close to a realistic picture did you? In his hyper-company focused mind, he sees Android as a threat, so he would only post things that make it look bad. Leaving out the truth almost entirely.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By tonyswash on 3/27/14, Rating: 0
RE: Invalid Calculation
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/27/2014 4:06:32 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Meanwhile while Android wallows in malware
Meanwhile, in the real world, the actual infections are less then 1 percent.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By retrospooty on 3/27/2014 4:24:41 PM , Rating: 2
"So Android malware is only a problem in the non-USA market - and mostly in the Asian and Middle Eastern third-party app stores and on older version of the OS"

That would be correct. Good advice would be don't buy a 3 year old model in these regions. Hey look, he DOES understand it.

"Meanwhile while Android wallows in malware iOS get's Office"

Wrong again captain clueless. http://www.androidcentral.com/microsoft-office-goe...


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Reclaimer77 on 3/27/2014 7:07:57 PM , Rating: 2
You can make the most secure OS on Earth. If you knowingly install malware, you're going to get infected.

If people in Asia and Russia or wherever don't know that third party app markets are generally untrustworthy, well they deserve what they're getting.

Malware didn't stop the world from picking Windows, and it's not stopping it from choosing Android either. 'Nuff said.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By retrospooty on 3/27/2014 7:26:29 PM , Rating: 2
yup, avoiding Android for fear of malware is a lot like avoiding driving for fear of bats.

should I tell him about the bats?


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Spuke on 3/27/2014 11:23:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
should I tell him about the bats?
Please don't. Cause he'll just create a tonyswashbats account and zombie us from that.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By retrospooty on 3/27/2014 4:27:18 PM , Rating: 2
"Meanwhile while Android wallows"

I would also add, that Android is hardly "wallowing" in anything except total somination of hte market. I know it scares you, but its really just business, nothing personal, but that is just how the "Post Apple mobile world" looks.

http://imgur.com/xnKgT2K


RE: Invalid Calculation
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/27/2014 5:33:13 PM , Rating: 1
A post Apple mobile world won't happen until Android sells better on high end hardware. The G2 and One are bombs and the GS4 is being outsold by the flop iPhone 5C.

As long as we're including extreme low end smartphones running Android, since that's what it mostly runs on, can we also start talking about how popular flip phones are?

It doesn't make sense talking about "post" iOS when it dominates the high end so completely and Android growth is only in the low end. They're both here to stay. This isn't Microsoft or Blackberry we're talking about.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By retrospooty on 3/27/2014 6:03:28 PM , Rating: 2
You are placing way to much importance on IOS. It's time has already passed. The post Apple mobile world has already happened. It had a short 4 year run and now its over. It's just one of a few platforms, a solid #2 as far as #'s go. Dominating the high end? It isnt even high end. There are simply too many missing features to be called "high end" so lets get past that. It's a very fast low end phone with low end features and a low end screen.

The wave has already passed Apple, you just don't see it because it hasn't hit you smack dab in the middle of your nose yet.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/27/2014 8:58:43 PM , Rating: 3
Aside from screen size on the phone it defines high end. HDMI ports and Sambloat features that don't even work like air scrolling and eye tracking don't define high end. Its a lot of halfa** features that don't work well or don't work at all that are there to fill up lists, but they aren't high end. Inherent technical limitations with latency don't just affect UI and games, they make things like editing apps impossible on Android: http://www.androidannoyances.com/post/tag/low-late...

That isn't a high end platform, its a platform that is still catching up on a basic architectural level to where iOS and even WP/RT were years ago.

You want to use the massive number of low end devices sold in China and India to claim Android dominance. Meanwhile, hardware that actually competes with the iPad and iPhone are selling very poorly and developers are treating them as secondary platforms to make substandard ports to, if they make ports at all.

Its cool that you like your platform, but talking about iOS time passing makes no sense given that Android continues to fall behind in high end sales and developer support. Your own G2 bombed hard, selling 2 million units in a quarter when LG was expecting to sell 10 million. That isn't dominance where it matters, and its why Android is still a second class platform to software developers and advertisers.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By retrospooty on 3/28/2014 12:39:34 AM , Rating: 4
"talking about iOS time passing makes no sense"

To be clear, Tony uses the "post PC era" as a jib to show how unimportant MS is. You know, MS, the one that makes Windows that runs on 90% of the PC's out there and is nearly a total lock on the enterprise market? The enterprise market where those few tablet users get back to the office to do real work on thier windows PC's? That MS. I was using the term "Post Apple mobile era" in that context back at Tony. Of course its still there, but it is past its prime. The competition caught up and has now far surpassed them.

"Aside from screen size on the phone it defines high end. HDMI ports and Sambloat features that don't even work like air scrolling and eye tracking don't define high end"

Sorry, your list of missing features is a BIT short /s - YOu ask again, so I will paste it again

- Larger Screens
- Higher resolution screens
- Higher DPI
- Better Edge to Edge display (no giant iBezel)
- Micro SD card
- Removable batteries
- NFC
- 802.11ac
- Mini HDMI port
- Can set default apps
- Back button
- Better Notifications
- Better Voice search (Google Now > Siri)
- Better Mapping software
- Widgets
- Live wallpaper
- Plays HD content without downscaling
- Greater than 5x4 icons
- Multi user support
- Multi Window support
- pop up browser(in a window)
- Wireless charging
- Eye scrolling
- Waterproof models
- Air gestures
- Active stylus support
- Better OS
- Better UI
- Micro USB
- Plug and play as a flash drive to copy files
- Flexibility in OS (Tons of Custom ROM's, etc)
- Flexibility in hardware (qwerty models, waterproof models, removable batteries, larger models, smaller models, high end models, mid range models, cheap models)

That is NOT just "HDMI ports and Sambloat features that don't even work like air scrolling and eye tracking "

Some in severe denial will balk at some items on this list, but its not about the individual things that THEY may not need, again, its about flexibility to support thing that others DO need. Its a HUGE list that demands respect.

I really don't care about sales. Android "dominates" because the high end phones are far FAR better than the iPhone period. If you cant see that than you just aren't looking. Apple is certainly profitable and has its merits. I personally commend Apple for their contributions to the industry and thank them for the iPhone. It was leaps and bounds better than anything else on the market at the time and it literally forced everyone else to raise their games. We all benefit from that. We all benefit from their push on higher resolutions too. thanks again Apple. Like anything else, they do some good and some bad moves. Overall, a good force in the industry... But right now, today in 2014 they are lagging behind, WAY behind.

"That isn't a high end platform, its a platform that is still catching up on a basic architectural level to where iOS and even WP/RT were years ago"

That WAS years ago. 2012 to be exact. You really need to update and take a look at Android in 2014... Or at least dont make errant comments on it. It has grown as a platform at an amazing pace in the past 2-3 years. The OS itself, features and apps.

"Your own G2 bombed hard,"

Not selling 100 million units isnt necessarily bombing hard. They are healthy and doing fine and sold more G2 than any other high end phone in thier history. http://recode.net/2014/01/26/lg-confirms-g2-and-ne...

Apple sells an amazing amount of phones at a high profit, they are alot like Blackberry in 2011. STill having record sales but the competition had already far surpassed their products. It's a wave that will catch up with Apple if they dont start making better products. With that said a larger screened higher res iPhone does change that, so if that turns out to be true, Apple will stay relevant.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/28/2014 4:16:53 AM , Rating: 2
You've shown me the list. Again, its filled with lots of features that don't work well, come at a cost of battery life or performance, are meaningless (who needs HDMI when there's Chromecast or Airplay), or are incorrect. iOS has the same mapping and voice apps Android does.

Better OS is debatable when its a fundamentally inferior platform for applications. Not only does Android miss many high quality apps that are on iOS, the ports that exist are either worse or are actually incapable of performing as well as their iOS counterparts because of Android itself.

quote:
Android "dominates" because the high end phones are far FAR better than the iPhone period.


Android dominates because it is sold on any low end piece of hardware to masses in China, India, etc. Its high end sales are tiny compared to Android as a whole and iOS. The "flop" iPhone 5C, which Anandtech benches about as fast as the GS4, sold about as much in one quarter as the GS4 did in an entire year. The 5S blows that number away.

quote:
Not selling 100 million units isnt necessarily bombing hard. They are healthy and doing fine and sold more G2 than any other high end phone in thier history.


That link states total LG sales, not G2 sales. Here is more info: http://bgr.com/2013/12/27/htc-one-sales-2013-lg-g2...

quote:
LG had hoped to sell 10 million flagship G2 smartphones this year according to the site’s sources, but sales into channels barely topped 2 million.


Between 2 and 3 million of those 13.2 million unit shipments were the high end G2. The rest were low end phones. This is just like Samsung, Moto, and HTC mostly selling low end phones. Samsung is the most successful, yet the GS4 and GN3 sell a fraction of what the iPhone does. That isn't coming from a site with an agenda either, they called the HTC One the best Android phone ever.

LG selling only 2 million G2 when they wanted to sell 10 million is bombing. Apple sells that many iPhones in a weekend. Its a good phone but its niche.

quote:
The OS itself, features and apps.


Android has fundamental problems with handling latency that limits the kinds of apps Android can run well. Even if you don't use apps it gives continued problems with UI input lag. Hardware features are fine, especially screen size choices. Apps are still a huge problem and I'm surprised that Android is still so far behind. Apps are mostly halfa** iOS ports and they suck. The only good apps are Google's, and even some of those are bad. Google Voice was terrible, and that's being discontinued and rolled into the worse Google Hangouts. Google apps are also on iOS, so that's not missing either.

I almost went back to getting a Nexus 5 to go with my iPad, but I couldn't get past the bad ports and the OS problems that are still there. I still wish WP8 was more viable, but the app situation there is too sad to even talk about.

quote:
I really don't care about sales.


Yes you do. If you aren't posting links with features you're talking about marketshare numbers, but when anyone brings up that Android marketshare is mostly low end which is why the apps suck you just ignore it.

Gonna wrap up since you've made up your mind. Larger screens and lots of hardware choices are advantages that Android has. Its lack of polish and few good apps are disadvantages that it has. I may bounce back to Android someday but not in the state that its in.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By retrospooty on 3/28/2014 8:06:45 AM , Rating: 2
Fair enough... We disagree on some points, not all. But that list is huge and you have to admit alot of it is highly useful. Still, not things that everyone needs. The screen is the biggest thing for most people. An iPhone 6 with larger higher res , higher PPI screen takes 3 things off that list, but those 3 have to hold more weight than any other.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Reclaimer77 on 3/28/2014 1:00:51 PM , Rating: 2
So I guess your definition of "high end" would be a Ferrari with a 3 cylinder engine, plastic hubcap covers, no power windows, and a $200 paint job and the interior of a 1990's Yugo.

Hey, as long as it's "good" at what it does, it's perfectly justified as a "high end" $200k sports car!!

Freaking idiot.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/28/2014 2:44:27 PM , Rating: 2
He's an Apple defender, what else would you expect?


RE: Invalid Calculation
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/28/2014 10:48:35 PM , Rating: 2
Why are you describing the GS4 in such a negative way? I thought you loved Samsung.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Gio6518 on 3/30/2014 11:52:14 AM , Rating: 2
Again posts like this shows how biased and wrong you always are....the same day iOS received Office so did Android...But keep attempting to spin your BS on a tech web site where people that actually understand tech and get a good laugh from you...

Growth in the business sector has been going Android (mainly Samsung) due to the superior security of Knox..

I see more professionals with Android///and the bulk of iPhones are with retired senior citizens that never grew up with any form of technology some not even with electricity...


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Wazza1234 on 3/30/2014 5:01:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Growth in the business sector has been going Android (mainly Samsung) due to the superior security of Knox..

I see more professionals with Android///and the bulk of iPhones are with retired senior citizens that never grew up with any form of technology some not even with electricity...


Comments like this are reason enough to never respond to any of the trolling points you make.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/30/2014 5:42:58 PM , Rating: 1
/ironic

Better put on the wading boots, shit's getting deep in here.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Wazza1234 on 3/30/2014 4:59:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Is this the 1990's again?

MacTard: Windows has all the viruses! HAHAHA Microsoft SUCKS!!!

Sensible non-retard: Uhhh that's because NOBODY is using the Mac compared to Windows PC's...

MacTard: So....Windows has all the viruses!!!


I don't know if you're being sarcastic, or just stupid.

The reason the Mac argument didn't work was that the question was which platform was built more securely , Windows or Mac.

Mac was less secure, but had fewer viruses.

However, the point I made didn't compare how secure the two operating system are. I simply pointed out the fact that Android has more Malware.

Note, it's a fact. It's indisputable.

What's inexplicable is why several of you were too dumb to understand the difference.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By retrospooty on 3/31/2014 10:53:12 AM , Rating: 2
Thus the comment from Ritual that said it all . "testerguy nitpicking at something relatively unimportant and spinning it as an Achilles' Heel."

You are harping on about nothing as usual.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Wazza1234 on 3/30/2014 5:08:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
ITT: testerguy nitpicking at something relatively unimportant and spinning it as an Achilles' Heel.


ITT: ritualm failing to address an argument whatsoever, by trying to spin it that Android having twice as much Malware is 'relatively unimportant' and that people who state that factual reality are 'spinning an Achilles' Heel' .


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/30/2014 5:44:45 PM , Rating: 2
Since than less than 1 percent of Android has malware on it, it is relatively unimportant, no matter how you spin it.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Wazza1234 on 3/31/2014 3:25:02 AM , Rating: 2
It's less than 1 percent of Google Play apps which have Malware on them.

That means if you install 100 apps, you would expect to have at least one which is Malware. This is slightly wrong because the larger and more popular apps will be less likely to contain Malware).

Close to 1 billion Android phones have been sold. Even if each only installed 1 app, that would statistically mean that 10 million people would have malware on their phone. Again, you can reduce this to account for popular apps etc, but it's still a massive number.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By Wazza1234 on 3/31/2014 3:27:07 AM , Rating: 2
Edit - it's 0.1% of apps which have Malware, so you can divide all my numbers by 10.


RE: Invalid Calculation
By ritualm on 3/31/2014 6:22:26 PM , Rating: 2
Do you honestly expect the rest of us to stoop to your level of lunacy, thus giving you an excuse to put us down even more?

Your bag of tricks are more disused than that of a dead hooker. But keep 'em comin', I can use a few laughs at your expense.


So whats the explanation?
By tonyswash on 3/27/14, Rating: -1
RE: So whats the explanation?
By Rukkian on 3/27/2014 10:34:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If the massive Android lead in malware were the result of market share one would think that the same market share advantage would be reflected in other categories of software but actually the opposite is true in that in all other categories of software, except for malware, Android mostly lags behind iOS or at best occasionally matches it.


Okay, I will bite, according to what?

Are you talking downloads from the play store vs app store? If so, read the article - many users (a high % in some contries) install from other sources. Even many in the U.S. do that as well (Amazon being a big one).

Are talking profits? If so, really you have to go there again? That does not affect users, which most on this board are as opposed to stock holders/developers. I have never found an app I actually wanted that was available on ios and not on an android, never. App availability is pretty much the same.

If not one of these, what other categories are you talking about?


RE: So whats the explanation?
By Gio6518 on 3/30/2014 12:00:33 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
So whats the explanation for the fact that Android only leads, and leads by a truly massive amount, in just one category of software which is malware?


If your talking leading in software wouldn't it be the 87% marketshare on phones...while iOS only has 12%

Or is it that Android has 67% of their software on tablets compared to where iOS only has 27% and dwindling...

they both sound like software to me....But I'm sure that iOS share will dwindle much more.....Apples most viable business that they will never lose is..

1) iTunes...they should release to all mobile platforms and profits will soar 10 fold

2) iDiots (technologically illiterate) that will buy the newest iToy that will stand in line waiting for it's release


RE: So whats the explanation?
By Wazza1234 on 3/30/2014 5:05:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If your talking leading in software wouldn't it be the 87% marketshare on phones...while iOS only has 12%


Firstly, it's you're*. And no, he's referring to the 'leading' in software which means it actually offers more to the end consumers. If that market share led to better, higher quality apps, THAT would be the benefit. Market share of itself is irrelevant to consumers. Selling something basically for free (Android) doesn't in any way mean success.

quote:
1) iTunes...they should release to all mobile platforms and profits will soar 10 fold


Someone hasn't got the first clue how Apple makes money.

quote:
2) iDiots (technologically illiterate) that will buy the newest iToy that will stand in line waiting for it's release


It seems the bigger problem is Android fanboys going around posting stupid things like 'iDiots' and 'technically illiterate' and 'iToy' - ironically probably because they can't actually understand the technical ways in which iPhone has the advantage over the collection of Android phones.


RE: So whats the explanation?
By Gio6518 on 3/31/2014 1:00:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Someone hasn't got the first clue how Apple makes money.


Apple makes money by forcing again tech ILLERITATE to buy their products...I've heard that a million times not realizing that you can use google play music to upload their iTunes purchases on Googles cloud...Another way Apple makes money is releasing an old OS with minor updates so old phones can handle it and that way they can also use less ram slower dual core processors to get the iDiots to buy it and make gobs of money of them...

quote:
Firstly, it's you're*. And no, he's referring to the 'leading' in software which means it actually offers more to the end consumers


Android is software....Last I checked iTunes store and Android market have the same amount of apps, they're the same amount of business apps out there..

Amount of malware comes from side loading paid apps that they download for free...Simply from opening your search engine of choice and typing .APK and finding thousands of them..

And yes real tech buff that understand software and hardware, computer programming etc. don't use crApple..

And of all the crap apple fanboys have said over the decades such as I'm a MAC I'm a PC and so on like to call others name but cant handle it back, I love when they get upset when their propaganda gets busted wide open


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