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PS3 is reportedly overheating, Sony stocks tumble from a little bit of investor uncertainty

Share of Sony stock took a 2.75 percent tumble yesterday on account of dim expectations from analysts as well as a nasty report of overheating machine(s) at the Tokyo Game Show.  Goldman Sachs downgraded Sony’s stock from “buy” to “neutral” because of PlayStation 3 release confusion as well as the poor sales performance of the PSP, according to the Associated Press

Things got even more interesting after Macquarie Equities analyst David Gibson reported that PS3 units on display at TGS operated erratically and had to be repeatedly reset.  "While the reason for this is unknown, we suspect it may be due to overheating as a result of enclosing the units and the high temperatures at the venue," Gibson wrote. "We are concerned that such a problem has occurred so close to full production and is clearly negative news for the company." 

Sony spokeswoman Nanako Kato made several good points to defend the PlayStation 3’s behavior. Anyone who has seen what sort of environments consoles must endure during trade shows will know that ventilation is always in short supply – especially in a crowded area of sweaty, eager gamers. 

"It's not a problem with the PlayStation 3 unit itself," Kato said. "For a normal player at home, there shouldn't be any problem." With 200 PS3 retail demo units housed in see-through kiosks, one shouldn’t be surprised to see heat issues. Still, this demonstrates under what strict conditions the PS3 must operate. 

Another possible explanation for this supposed glitch is software related. Given that nearly all the software on display at the Tokyo Game Show were still in production, a crash-causing bug could very well be the culprit for the malfunction. 

The real test for PlayStation 3 build quality will come this year as up to two million units will be sold across North America and Japan.



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Cmon people, give sony a break....
By ale087 on 10/4/2006 3:49:34 PM , Rating: 2
Sony has had a bad year, but as consumers we will benefit from all these mistakes.... The cell processor is still the most advaced processor in the market, and the blue ray has proved to be able to store far more than de HDdvd....
Now, I do not have the budget for a 600 dollar console, but I do appreciate what they are contributing as far as technology, plus with time, prices will go down as always, and versions of the playstation will improve...




RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By Crusader on 10/4/06, Rating: -1
RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By Tilmitt on 10/4/2006 5:21:25 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Sony full intends to charge Americans full price for the PS3, while giving a discounted price to their people in Japan.

Thats nice.
Enjoy purchasing your PS3 and supporting people who just want to milk you while giving their people a discount.

I'd rather support Microsoft, an American company.


You are a small minded nationalist person. I hate you.


By ammlm on 10/4/2006 5:31:27 PM , Rating: 2
You are a hippy freak. Get a job. Lol, jk.


RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By ViperROhb34 on 10/4/2006 6:27:53 PM , Rating: 3
Small minded because its true ?

Thats whats wrong with this society. Political correctness has gone too far. People can no longer say something true ( that seems harsh or unfair ) even if its true without being criticized.

My sister lived in Japan for 10yrs.. Truth is the Japanese have way more pride in their people, their culture and Japanese companies then most countries - including America. This is sad.

So yet is is true they support their own products and would rathe rnot have an Xbox 360 because its "foreign" and therefore not as good.

The only thing he was wrong in was his wording about giving Japan lower prices. I think they lowered the PS3 price more in Japan because NOW Microsoft has upped the stakes by lowering the Core Xbox price to 240 US dollars ( 2 games with it as well ) .. so even now this cheaper PS3 will be 200 dollars more in Japan then an Xbox 360 core unit..


RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By Hemipower on 10/5/06, Rating: -1
By ViperROhb34 on 10/5/2006 11:15:22 AM , Rating: 2
Before you put your foot in your mouth anymore..
I drive a Chevrolet ..

I believe in supporting American products "Mr HEMI"..
And most threads Ive read on here you have been supportive or more partial to a Japanese company... and bashed MS an American company.. one of the true American companies left that really dominates in a small world..


RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By ViperROhb34 on 10/5/2006 11:15:22 AM , Rating: 2
Before you put your foot in your mouth anymore..
I drive a Chevrolet ..

I believe in supporting American products "Mr HEMI"..
And most threads Ive read on here you have been supportive or more partial to a Japanese company... and bashed MS an American company.. one of the true American companies left that really dominates in a small world..


RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By Hemipower on 10/5/2006 12:04:38 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe supportive towards a japanese console because I believe it might turn out to be the best for me and it hasen't even come out yet and people are bashing it. I guess buying two 360's, microsft xp, and office don't count towards supporting microsoft.


By Hemipower on 10/5/2006 12:13:45 PM , Rating: 2
Watch out now chevrolet is manufacturing its lower end cars in Mexico. If microsoft sold the 360 for 500 and told me it was built in the usa i would gladly pay the extra 100 dollars. most people would rather save the 100 and pay for a china made product. Its the same reason chevrolet has moved to mexico, to compete with all the japanese cars selling for 14000 dollars and its a shame.


By Tilmitt on 10/5/2006 3:52:02 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Small minded because its true ?

Thats whats wrong with this society. Political correctness has gone too far. People can no longer say something true ( that seems harsh or unfair ) even if its true without being criticized.

My sister lived in Japan for 10yrs.. Truth is the Japanese have way more pride in their people, their culture and Japanese companies then most countries - including America. This is sad.

So yet is is true they support their own products and would rathe rnot have an Xbox 360 because its "foreign" and therefore not as good.

The only thing he was wrong in was his wording about giving Japan lower prices. I think they lowered the PS3 price more in Japan because NOW Microsoft has upped the stakes by lowering the Core Xbox price to 240 US dollars ( 2 games with it as well ) .. so even now this cheaper PS3 will be 200 dollars more in Japan then an Xbox 360 core unit..


It's nothing to do with being politically correct. People in Japan don't buy the Xbox 360 because it doesn't have games that appeal to the japanese market. Not everyone likes mindless FPS's and jock fest sporting games. RPG's and anime games generally sell alot better in Japan, things that for example the PS2 has and the xbox 360 does not. Nothing to do with national pride, all to do with games.

And anyone who loves "their country" is small minded. Just because you were born in a certain field does not make that field better than all the ones you weren't born in.


By MrFluffo on 10/4/2006 9:33:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sony full intends to charge Americans full price for the PS3, while giving a discounted price to their people in Japan.

Lets not forget that Japan is being charged more for certain games as well. Some games are costing them approx 8990Yen for a single game above more than USD75. Where in the US new games have more of a "staple" price


RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By sdfgdsfgsdfg on 10/4/06, Rating: 0
RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By Chillin1248 on 10/4/2006 6:14:33 PM , Rating: 3
Ok, I am personally more for HD-DVD than Blu-Ray for a data standard format (cost is my number one priority), but you sir sprouted more idiotic spam in that post than I have seen from all the fanboys on DT in a week.

HD-DVD final theoretical size: 60GB (120GB dual sided)
Blu-Ray final theoretical (and working) size: 200GB (either quad layer 100GB dual sided or six layer 33GB).



So where the hell do you figure the following:

quote:
Who cares about capacity, if you want capacity buy in to HVD, THATS the future. Blueray only out does HDVDS capacity by a gig, wow. HVD out does BR by about 100+ times.


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Chillin


RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By ViperROhb34 on 10/4/2006 6:45:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
HD-DVD final theoretical size: 60GB (120GB dual sided)


Iam No expert on this.. but from what I've read this (above) is true of a dual layer.. but Toshiba has a working 3 layer to be out.. with 4 layer in the works..

While I also know the theoretical max on BD seems more unreachable/ unrealistic in the near future ..

It would seem the closer (?) pairing of data in BD makes it harder to read more layers under each other then it does with HD-DVD which is a tad further apart.. Im not expert.. but it makes some sense it would be easier to read layers under layer with more room for the reading laser to get inbetween data..


By Chillin1248 on 10/4/2006 7:01:46 PM , Rating: 2
I believe TDK already has a six layer prototype Blu-Ray tech demo disk already (6X 33GB), in order to reach 100GB it only needs to have four layers [25GB each] (dual sided makes it 200GB).

Also HD-DVD single layer is 15GB, dual layer is 30GB, triple is 45GB and quadruple layer 60GB. Now make it two sided it will be 120GB.

While I am not denying that we are likely to see better formates such as protein media or Holographic media before a 200GB Blu-Ray disk enters production, however it does not mean that it works... It is just the practicality of it that is in question.

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Chillin


RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By Strunf on 10/4/2006 8:49:50 PM , Rating: 2
Actually the closer the layer is to the lens the better, if you put more space between the layers, then it will harder to read your last layer then it would be if it was closer, also the laser has to be focused to read the data and the bigger is the distance between the first and the last layer the more troublesome it will be to maintain the laser focused.


By Chillin1248 on 10/4/2006 9:02:59 PM , Rating: 2
This works both ways.

With the Blu-Ray laser being less than 0.2mm from the disc, there is a huge complication. Disks warp at high speed and tempeture, now today with DVD drives (and HD-DVD) that is not a problem since the laser head is 0.6mm from the disk meaning it is further away and causes less heat to warp the disk, the same cannot be said for Blu-Ray. Which means that the slightest bump during a Blu-Ray drive spinning might just spell the end for your laser head (disk is strong enough to withstand the sensitive head).

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Chillin


By ViperROhb34 on 10/5/2006 11:22:51 AM , Rating: 2
I wasnt referring to the space between layers..

I was referring to the space between the tightly packed bits of data ona single layer.. In order for the layer under to be read.. that data has to be packed offset of the other layer.. so it will not only read past that layer.. but the data on the previous layer will be stacked in a manner that it is not 'obstructive'



RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By EclipsedAurora on 10/5/2006 6:01:29 AM , Rating: 2
Are u joking me man?
cost is your number one priority?
Do u know 15GB HD-DVD is same price with 25GB BD?


RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By ViperROhb34 on 10/5/2006 11:35:10 AM , Rating: 2
You show me where they COST THE SAME and I'll stop thinking you're a liar.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20060...

According to many links including this one these BD disc
( The 25 and 50 Gig BD ) will be priced 17.99 and 42.99 for a single disc to record on at home. If a 50 gig BD disc for home use will be sold around 40 dollars.. what do you think a 250GBG BD disc will cost ??

Sorry, but there in no way in hell HD-DVD will sell a a 15gig disc for the same as a 250GBG disc..

Unless you fast forward to 3yrs from now.. expect a 250 GB Bluray disc ( and also show me where one is for sale now to record on for home use ) to be 100 bucks..


RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By Arkham1 on 10/5/2006 1:04:19 PM , Rating: 2
Er, where did he mention a 250GB disc. The previous poster said "25GB" disc, not "250".


By ViperROhb34 on 10/5/2006 9:42:31 PM , Rating: 2
Oooops...



RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By ViperROhb34 on 10/5/2006 11:24:32 AM , Rating: 2
Ok then.. My question is this.. If they have a working prototype.. whats all the talk and news about having trouble with the dual layer BD disk ?

Is the dual layer BD disk they had troubel with the Bluray recordable we'd use at home ? Is the working protype a commerical disk they'd use for one time use ?

Just asking if you know


By Chillin1248 on 10/5/2006 5:19:39 PM , Rating: 2
It's only a prototype, not a full fledged production model, keep that in mind.

I am not exactly sure on what the problem was with the dual-layer BD disks, so I can't comment on that either, sorry.

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Chillin


RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By ViperROhb34 on 10/4/2006 4:48:24 PM , Rating: 2
Sony hasn't proven anything.
And BLu Ray (which Sony has alot invested in) hasn't PROVEN that it will end up storing more then HD-DVD.

The numbers of layers they can put and use in a BD disk is so far all theoretical.

If you havent kept up on current events Sony had SIGINIFICANT trouble getting their dual layer Bluray disk to work. While Toshiba is already sucesffully getting their 3 layer to work and working on a 4 layer..

The reality is I beleive HD-DVD will end up not being alot less then BLu-ray.. And before Bluray even makes it that far it must survive. It may survive just fine.. I mean they kept using Betamax VCR's in Japan up until like 4 yrs ago.. while in the USA and other countries it wasn't used for at least the last 15 years..

The only good ( if I give you that ) argument that Blu-ray "potentially" has over HD-DVD is storage and thats ONLY if they make it a reality and people buy enough of them for that to happen. Adoption of next gen HD seems to be slow.. cost is a factor.. and Bluray prices will not drop as quickly as HD-DVD which already is about 400-500 dollar cheaper for the player..


RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By BCanR2D2 on 10/4/2006 5:31:52 PM , Rating: 2
Before the conversion to digital, TV stations still used Betamax, as it was superior to VHS in quality. As much as the consumer didn't buy the tech, it still remains around 20 years after it's commercial death.

This may be another case where the home consumer goes with one tech (due to availability and pricing) and that corporates stick with another due to quality.


RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By obstreperous on 10/5/2006 4:04:06 AM , Rating: 2
TV stations don't broadcast betamax - I think you are getting confused with Betacam, which was developed from betamax and is still in use, with Digital Betacam and BetacamSP. These are broadcast formats though with a digital Betacam costing around 50k...


By ViperROhb34 on 10/5/2006 11:19:02 AM , Rating: 2
I dont think he is confused..

He never said it was used to broadcast..
He said it remained in use 20 yr after its COMMERCIAL death..

Commercially it did die 20yrs ago.. but in a few countries such as Japan Betamx VCR's and tapes remained in strong use - they were still being produced and made and sold - Yes a Betamax VCR - until about 4 yrs ago in Japan


RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By Xavian on 10/4/2006 5:43:28 PM , Rating: 2
The Cell processor will be outdated by the next round of Intel vs AMD you can bet on it. Cell is merely a multimedia processor, it was never meant to be used for general purpose. Thus in most ways it can never compete with AMD's and Intel's CPUs.

Hardly the 'most advanced' processor out there.

Finally, HD-DVD currently can store more info on its double layer disc then blu-ray on its single layer (since double layer is proving somewhat difficult on blu-ray, god forbid having 3 layers or more on blu-ray).


RE: Cmon people, give sony a break....
By Strunf on 10/4/2006 9:00:48 PM , Rating: 2
Are you crazy? CELL is everything but a multimedia CPU, it can do the multimedia task (just like any other CPU) but it can do way more than that, it's for no reason that IBM will be using the CELL CPU in supercomputers... and it’s for no reason that Intel spoke of a 80 core CPU at the IDF that is closer to the CELL CPU than it is to the current Intel/AMD CPU...


By ViperROhb34 on 10/5/2006 9:41:12 PM , Rating: 2
Sony could've built a better ps3 by using a dual core
AMD processor :)
But Nooooooo.. there would be no mystique .. no problems.. no delays.. they would've had better yields..


Let the flaming begin...
By retrospooty on 10/4/2006 2:21:09 PM , Rating: 2
I hate Sony because ______ (fill in the blank)




RE: Let the flaming begin...
By GoatMonkey on 10/4/2006 2:26:23 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I hate Sony because ______ (fill in the blank)


the PS3 over heats.



By EclipsedAurora on 10/5/2006 5:35:50 AM , Rating: 2
And XB360 and Wii do in exactly same TGC as well. But don't know why nobody talks about that.


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By captchaos2 on 10/5/06, Rating: -1
RE: Let the flaming begin...
By PurdueRy on 10/4/2006 2:28:20 PM , Rating: 1
the uninformed consumer puts too much faith in a name.


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By michal1980 on 10/4/2006 3:09:16 PM , Rating: 4
I hate Sony

Because I am an xbox fanboi.

I hate Sony, because its sony.


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By jskirwin on 10/4/2006 3:15:56 PM , Rating: 1
they made a machine that
1. Overheats.
2. Is waaaay too expensive.
3. Has blue-ray - an unproven technology.

(sigh)
I really wanted to like this machine. I've been buying Sony since the 1970s...


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By kextyn on 10/4/2006 3:40:07 PM , Rating: 2
About Blu-Ray being "unproven"

It's not so much unproven, but more that it's not a standard. What more does it have to do to be proven? It works doesn't it? Anything reguarding copy protection on movies is irrelevant because it will not be there on data discs and most likely won't be the same on games.


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By sdfgdsfgsdfg on 10/4/2006 3:42:55 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah, the Betamax worked too, whats your point?

Bluray = not needed technology. Sony will burn.


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By retrospooty on 10/4/2006 3:50:33 PM , Rating: 4
Yup, betamax, memory stock and many other proprietary standards that hold the industry back.

On the bright side, and to say something positive about Sony and their PS3, at least there wont be any batteries exploding in it. =)


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By fyahman on 10/4/06, Rating: 0
RE: Let the flaming begin...
By retrospooty on 10/4/2006 10:18:59 PM , Rating: 1
THanks, I was pretty happy with that one too :)


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By LanceM on 10/4/2006 7:17:40 PM , Rating: 3
Exploding batties? I'm sure they'll find a way.


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By Strunf on 10/4/06, Rating: -1
RE: Let the flaming begin...
By Einy0 on 10/4/2006 7:34:06 PM , Rating: 2
Actually Picture Quality and running times on BetaMax where way superior to the VHS. It's funny how the best products don't always win because companies get greedy and charge too much for licensing.


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By Googer on 10/5/2006 8:57:26 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Actually Picture Quality and running times on BetaMax where way superior to the VHS. It's funny how the best products don't always win because companies get greedy and charge too much for licensing.


IEEE 1394 aka Firewire is a great example of that. Apple was charging too much for firewire and Intel did not like it. So Intel went off to start a forum and created USB. The end result was that USB licencing was four times cheaper per port than IEEE 1394 was/is.

As we all know today, USB is the dominant peripheral connection not becase it is better but because the licencing and manufacture are much cheaper.


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By EclipsedAurora on 10/5/06, Rating: 0
RE: Let the flaming begin...
By BladeVenom on 10/5/2006 12:49:43 PM , Rating: 3
Philips invented the CD. What's your point?


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By Tilmitt on 10/4/06, Rating: -1
RE: Let the flaming begin...
By heffeque on 10/4/2006 5:53:10 PM , Rating: 1
"It works and it can hold way more than a DVD."

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Blue Ray players have needed firmware updates to make them work correctly aaaand... blue ray has so many restrictions it works worse than a DVD. If you don't have an HDPC compilant TV you won't be able to watch movies in HD. Now go and tell all the people who buyed those multi-thousand HDTV Ready TVs that it's no good and will only be able to play games on it.


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By Arkham1 on 10/5/2006 12:03:51 PM , Rating: 2
That sure is one FUD-laden post in itself. I hope you didn't seriously "buyed" into that misinformation.


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By heffeque on 10/5/2006 7:17:35 PM , Rating: 2
Go to www.cdfreaks.com and get some REAL news about it. It looks like you've put your foot in the mud :-)


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By Arkham on 10/7/2006 6:32:44 PM , Rating: 2
I know the "real news". You're still deluded. You do not need an HDCP-compliant TV to view 1080P/HD movies or games on the PS3. You can view it over any component/HDMI connection. By the way, HDCP isn't being enforced for another 5 years anyway. (You might want to re-read cdfreaks.com again to memorize the spelling of HDCP, too. ;))


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By heffeque on 10/7/2006 11:55:23 PM , Rating: 2
"You do not need an HDCP-compliant TV to view 1080P/HD movies or games on the PS3." I beg to differ... ;-)


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By Spivonious on 10/4/2006 4:32:44 PM , Rating: 4
They rely on proprietary technology.


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By ammlm on 10/4/2006 5:26:37 PM , Rating: 5
Wow we all hate Sony a lot. I love reading all the posts; it makes me feel all warm inside to see how spiteful we all are. Aw..., lol. It makes sense though I guess. They do suck a lot. I'd rather buy another 360 than some crappy proprietary over-priced piece of junk from oversees. Keep your money here. It's not like anyone in Japan would ever think of buying anything from America. Anyways, we do everything like a bazillion times better! I'm game for the bonfire over there, though!


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By Hemipower on 10/5/2006 12:25:14 AM , Rating: 1
That might be the case pretty soon if you didn't put warranty on your system. I had 3 premiums break on my already! I am still on my original core system, can anyone explain that, lol. Anyways the 360 overheated as well at the trade shows, so what is the big deal.

I hope your happy with your "1080p over component", constant freezing, external ps, exteranl wifi, external hd dvd, non hdmi, made in china, american owned white box. I will buy the wii and ps3 the day they come out just like the 360 and i will buy their crappy launch titles just like the 360. I am all for inovations (wii) and sleekness with everything built-in (ps3) as well as for the games (wii, ps3, and 360). So what is all the fuss about.


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By rykerabel on 10/5/2006 5:25:29 PM , Rating: 2
exactly


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By S3anister on 10/4/2006 8:04:59 PM , Rating: 2
1. it looks like a fridge
2. it looks and could operate JUST like a forman grill (modders getting ready?)lol
3. It's too big.

Wii will Wii will ROCK ME! and maybe you.


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By AzureKevin on 10/4/2006 9:26:48 PM , Rating: 2
Wii is where it's at, buddy. I agree.


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By S3anister on 10/5/2006 2:44:16 PM , Rating: 2
what was the cost of the Wii? $250? much better price for me than what they're asking for the crippled version of the PS3 lol.

i'm going to love playing mario party 8 and the next Zelda on Wii.


By EclipsedAurora on 10/5/2006 5:37:16 AM , Rating: 2
Simply because having not enough $ to buy PS3?
LOL

Flaming now burns Mecerdes now....LOL


RE: Let the flaming begin...
By waamatt on 10/5/2006 10:51:45 AM , Rating: 2
you people are amusing.


Never would have guessed
By webdawg77 on 10/4/2006 2:25:49 PM , Rating: 3
Let's see, you take what basically amounts to a high end gaming rig (PC), try to put it in a SFF enclosure without much air cooling (more likely needs water cooling), then you expect it not to have overheating issues?

Sony, honestly, what were you thinking? Wait, isn't that a rhetorical question?




RE: Never would have guessed
By FITCamaro on 10/4/2006 2:48:17 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah I can understand them overheating in an environment with poor ventilation.

But also with the hardware packed in there, I expect early PS3s to have the same overheating issues as the Xbox360.


RE: Never would have guessed
By webdawg77 on 10/4/2006 2:50:35 PM , Rating: 5
I got one of the first run 360s (read before Christmas 2005). I have not had one instance of overheating. I'm sure one of Sony's major issues is the power supply being stuck inside the case. There's only so much room for internal components.


RE: Never would have guessed
By Trisped on 10/4/2006 3:02:45 PM , Rating: 3
My friend had a first run PS2, and it ran too hot also. After the first run they added a second fan.

I have a first run 360. Never had an overheating problem, even when in a room running 80F+.

It sounds like they went cheep on the fans so it wouldn't be as loud as the 360, resulting in the over heating problems.


RE: Never would have guessed
By Zandros on 10/4/2006 3:22:35 PM , Rating: 4
Um... cheap fans usually sound more. :p


RE: Never would have guessed
By Xavian on 10/4/2006 5:38:42 PM , Rating: 2
Slap a couple of Decent 120mm Fans in the PS3 and im sure they will cure those overheating issues :P


RE: Never would have guessed
By Strunf on 10/4/2006 8:35:08 PM , Rating: 2
Well you may not have any problems with your 360 but there was plenty of people complaining about the power supply overheating...


RE: Never would have guessed
By UserDoesNotExist on 10/4/2006 3:40:02 PM , Rating: 2
Same here. Bought my XBox 360 on December 22nd, 2005, and never had it once overheat. Then again, I've always had my 360 on my floor and not in an entertainment center, so that's probably the reason why. I'm guessing the same will go for the PS3.

Since this topic has already degenerated into fanboism... Really, I want to like the PS3, I really do, but $600? And then having Sony tell me that I should just work harder to buy it? As though the only reason I wouldn't buy a PS3 is because I'm on welfare or something? I can afford it, don't get me wrong. I'm just waiting for the price drop once Bluray becomes yesterday's news and the production cost dramatically decreases. (Although I still am mad at them for having the nerve to tell me that I should just work harder to afford it, treating me like I'm just some slacker living with my parents working at the local McDonald's, and I might never buy one just for that reason.)


RE: Never would have guessed
By Hemipower on 10/5/2006 12:38:51 AM , Rating: 1
I also bought my 360 on day one but on the contrary, I had 3 premiums break on me already! I am still on my original core system though. Thank you BB again. I also have my systems set up on an open area and ps as well. With all the noise pumping out of my system (I think it is about 3 times louder than my already pretty loud pc) i would think their would be enough ventilation. Oh well, i guess everyone has had a different experience with the 360.


RE: Never would have guessed
By FearlessUser on 10/4/2006 8:24:06 PM , Rating: 2
I think Sony said a while ago that they're taking the PSU out of the case and it's going to be a brick like the 360. I think.

My launch-day purchased 360 still works swimmingly.


RE: Never would have guessed
By Arkham1 on 10/5/2006 1:05:55 PM , Rating: 2
The power supply is built-in, hence the heavy weight. The magazines that received their production units this past week have confirmed that it's internal, and very quiet.


RE: Never would have guessed
By Thorburn on 10/4/2006 5:08:39 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Let's see, you take what basically amounts to a high end gaming rig (PC), try to put it in a SFF enclosure without much air cooling (more likely needs water cooling), then you expect it not to have overheating issues?


Funnily enough I do have some experience of this.

At CeBIT this I was in charge of about 20 signage systems (just running powerpoints about demos) and these were basically just a Shuttle SD31P with Pentium D 950's.
These were put two to a surprisingly small cupboard (one on top of the other) with a monitor either side displaying the signage.

How many crashes did I have over the entire show?
One and that was because someone decided the cupboard was a good place to put there coat and covered up the systems intake vent.

So a PC would most likely of been fine in the pods :)


RE: Never would have guessed
By Hemipower on 10/5/2006 12:32:34 AM , Rating: 1
the cupboard still allows air throught the vents, the clear boxes the ps3 were in are sealed. you cant touch them or put your coat over them. now go and try that with the shuttles and see what happens. if they were core 2 duo or at least athlon 64's than they might have a fighting chance of not overheating.


RE: Never would have guessed
By otispunkmeyer on 10/5/2006 5:19:31 AM , Rating: 2
plus it was plexi glass.... so that would of been like a green house in there. just letting the heat in and not letting it out again.

but still, you'd think some one had the nouse to realise stuffing 20 next gen consoles into a cramped (possibly sealed though i doubt it) plexi-glass enclosure was a bad idea


BMW temp gauge
By amdsupport on 10/4/2006 2:40:55 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, thats an overheated temp gauge photo from a BMW 3 series up there... suddenly the price of a PS3 dosen't look that bad.

Sony just can't catch a break these days...but at least they are getting a lot of free PR, lol.

I just wish this PS3 would come out already so it wouldn't clog up DT news anymore.




RE: BMW temp gauge
By shamgar03 on 10/4/2006 3:37:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I just wish this PS3 would come out already so it wouldn't clog up DT news anymore.

For real, how many consecutive days of bad news for sony is this? Like 200? Sony is like the President Bush of the electronics industry... hopefully both their misery will end with something good.


RE: BMW temp gauge
By sdfgdsfgsdfg on 10/4/2006 3:38:42 PM , Rating: 5
Like death.


RE: BMW temp gauge
By Spivonious on 10/4/2006 4:32:17 PM , Rating: 2
...

You recognized a water temp gauge from a BMW 3 series? Geez and I thought I had no life ;)


RE: BMW temp gauge
By amdsupport on 10/4/2006 7:06:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You recognized a water temp gauge from a BMW 3 series? Geez and I thought I had no life ;)


I have an E36 318i so I see that gauge quite often, although not in the red, :)



jumping to conclusions....
By albundee on 10/4/2006 4:16:32 PM , Rating: 2
no one has a ps3. `nuff said.





RE: jumping to conclusions....
By sadffffff on 10/4/2006 7:11:01 PM , Rating: 3
psm3 had one. looked great in the video. said it was only warm to the touch in the back.


RE: jumping to conclusions....
By stmok on 10/5/2006 12:46:59 AM , Rating: 2
This is EXACTLY the point.

No one here owns a PS3. Their 2 cents of utter nonsense are based on some analyst. The issues of restarts of the PS3 are due to excessive heat caused by an enclosed environment.

The thermal characteristics will change if you have it in your lounge room, as this scenario has more open air...Its too bad very few of you have actually studied Thermodynamics and Heat Transfer, or even have experience in building embedded systems and enclosures.

Its sad that this generation of tech enthusiasts are so easily led by nonsense, and don't go bother finding out the truth as to what's really going on.

I'm not surprised though, considering many are bagging on Sony simply for "shits and giggles".

But then again, its not that hard trick people on the web these days! Just set up a tech site, gain some reputation, post something controversial, and watch the ad-dollars kick in! (eWeek and CNet do it all the time!)


RE: jumping to conclusions....
By Arkham1 on 10/5/2006 12:09:36 PM , Rating: 2
Good points. Let's also note that those were test units, not production models.


So let's look at the facts?
By Loc13 on 10/4/2006 3:37:51 PM , Rating: 3
Judging solely from this article:

Fact: the machine had to be repeatedly reset during the trade show.

Inference: The machine MIGHT be overheating or crashing due to software bugs.

Now if anyone of you has actually touched the PS3 during the show to feel the temperature, then you can bash Sony all you want.





RE: So let's look at the facts?
By cscpianoman on 10/4/2006 10:25:14 PM , Rating: 2
Touch it?
Nah, they probably had jedi knights in the background matched with lasers, a nuclear bomb and a marine unit if someone got too close.


RE: So let's look at the facts?
By peternelson on 10/5/2006 2:30:32 AM , Rating: 2
Let's look at the facts:

In a hot room, some idiots decided it would be a good idea to put a powerful computer encased in a clear plastic box with no air circulation.

Result: No convection, circulation or conducting away of heat.

It's the show stand designers that should be fired for not ducting chilled air into their demo areas.

I was SO looking forwards to running a new ps3 inside a hermetically sealed box in my living room, but since it seems I can't maybe the ps3 is not for me?

Aside from that it would be a great machine.


Fried and grilled
By Narutoyasha76 on 10/4/2006 4:09:59 PM , Rating: 2
I'm starting to pity Sony. This company should return to it's roots, the roots that designed and developed the WEGA television brand and the original Playstation along with their past good quality DVD players and CD players. I remember when Sony stood for great products, now all that is heard is about their defective batteries, eternal time loading PSP UMD discs, root kits, PS3 headaches, Blue-ray vs HD-DVD...come on Sony, this all points that Sony went offroad somewhere in it's history. Maybe the PS3 will be a good product in the longrun, and the Bravia 1080p TVs are looking sharp, but for now the company is full of crap!!




RE: Fried and grilled
By threepac3 on 10/4/2006 4:19:34 PM , Rating: 1
Amazing how DailyTech has become a breeding ground for hatred for Sony. People litteraly take the words of analyts as fact. Not to mention that for some reason pratrins think that the same sentiments exists in the real world.


RE: Fried and grilled
By Xavian on 10/4/2006 5:46:46 PM , Rating: 2
you have to admit though, Sony's quality control is really bad nowadays, compared to the 'old days' of Sony with the Triniton WEGA Tubes and walkmans.


RE: Fried and grilled
By sxr7171 on 10/4/2006 6:45:33 PM , Rating: 2
Sony quality is still good, but only if you buy the ES line or the expensive $1000+ stuff. If you buy consumer level Best Buy type stuff, then get Panasonic or Toshiba. It will likely last longer and work better.


not looking for a fight, but..
By Quiksel on 10/4/2006 3:37:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"While the reason for this is unknown, we suspect it may be due to overheating as a result of enclosing the units and the high temperatures at the venue," Gibson wrote.

i don't want to be flamebait (really, I don't), but how does an equities analyst have any ability to know what caused the multiple resetting of the PS3?

Not that the PS3 is without flaw (it has plenty), but I have a harder time swallowing this word for word from this guy. Someone else say it... someone who actually knows game hardware.

/doesn't want to be flamebait,
~quiksel




RE: not looking for a fight, but..
By sdfgdsfgsdfg on 10/4/2006 3:40:35 PM , Rating: 2
Im sure Sony keeps all their departments in the loophole.

But only the top guys on top know the PS3 will self-combust.


RE: not looking for a fight, but..
By Strunf on 10/4/2006 9:04:05 PM , Rating: 2
This PS3 will self-destruct in five seconds. Good luck, Jim.


Sony is overrated
By falc0ne on 10/4/2006 6:07:10 PM , Rating: 2
Blu-ray is an exotic standard('shall we say') and..YES their products are way too expensive(or if you prefer 'their prices are unjustifiably high')...Blu-ray is like UMD, an attempt to impose a new standard on the market in order to get financial advantages rather than making useful technologies available to the end user..
Other thoughts- I wouldn't want SONY or other manufacturer/corporation to burn, I want them to continue their efforts in bringing the latest technologies(as they well did in the past) to the market- the useful technologies that is...
Thank you and..good night lads:)




RE: Sony is overrated
By sxr7171 on 10/4/2006 6:54:53 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, Sony actually does bring good technologies into the world. Sometimes they are not a commercial success, but usually the technologies themselves are superior to competing technologies of the time. However when it comes to being able to manufacture things these days, they have taken cost cutting to a whole new level. If you buy a Sony product that is not a top of the line product or one below it, then you will likely get a product that has been compromised with so much cost cutting for greed that it won't function properly at some point in the near future.

A $600 game machine is expensive for a game console, but is still a cheap, mass produced consumer level product so it will be prone to the same problems as other consumer level Sony stuff.


RE: Sony is overrated
By EclipsedAurora on 10/5/2006 5:45:56 AM , Rating: 2
U have completely forgotton BluRay is not backed by Sony alone. Nearly all major CE companies, Panasonic, Mitsibishi, Philips, Pioneer, LG, Samsung, Marantz, etc are key developer for BluRay.

Also, notice that HD-DVD is not cheap at all as well. In Japan it even appears HD-DVD blank disc is more expensive than BluRay. Look at PS3 and 360, how close their price is now??

Notice that a 1080p Toshiba HD-DVD recorder is also asking about over USD2000! Toshiba HD-DVD notebook doesn't cheaper than VAIO BD notebook as well!

Usually, new technology like HD-DVD and BD should target the high end market first, and then come to mainstream market when the technology become mature enough for mass production.


360 Ps3
By shugs on 10/4/2006 4:46:47 PM , Rating: 2
1. I got my 360 on launch day, besides freezing, I have never had overheating problems

2. Total amount spent on 360 with extras, games, and cables= about $1,000

3. I have a 1080p tv, but that will not make me want blu-ray just yet.

4. Its sad to say, but its just one of those systems we will have to wait months to see how it does


Nice Comments




RE: 360 Ps3
By therealnickdanger on 10/4/2006 4:58:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
3. I have a 1080p tv, but that will not make me want blu-ray just yet.

Get the HD-DVD drive for $199. De-interlaced 1080i does not appear that different than 1080p if the TV is good at conversion. Naturally, this is subjective...

quote:
4. Its sad to say, but its just one of those systems we will have to wait months to see how it does

LOL, given the low shipment numbers, we don't have much of a choice.


Wii
By CoreGamer on 10/4/2006 7:43:29 PM , Rating: 2
My wii wont over heat...even if i put it in an oven




RE: Wii
By CoreGamer on 10/4/2006 7:45:10 PM , Rating: 2
Oh and now i guess it IS a foreman grill :D


Overheating
By gchanjam on 10/4/2006 9:40:27 PM , Rating: 2
These machines are stuck in a small plastic enclosure with no ventilation and are run at TGS for 9-10 hours straight day in and day out so of course they are going to overheat.

As for the PS3 costing too much Xbox 360 Premium + HD-DVD drive = $600, same as the premium PS3 not to mention free online play.




RE: Overheating
By EclipsedAurora on 10/5/2006 5:39:26 AM , Rating: 2
PS3 basic model is even cheaper than Pre 360 + HD-DVD in Japan! But the 360 fatally miss out SPDIF and HDMI! May be that's why 360 can never sold out in Japan and Asia-Pacific.


Facts
By Goty on 10/4/2006 4:18:41 PM , Rating: 1
Let's just look at the facts here. An analyst report (i.e. the hearsay of a bunch of fear-mongering idiots) says the the consoles MAY have been overheating often at the TGS. Now, let's think about this for a little bit. These consoles were almost certainly not retail machines, they were in an enclosed space with no ventilation, and I guarantee that not a single one of you were there to see how often "often" really was. I'm willing to bet any person here the price of a PS3 that you won't hear half as many credible complaints about the PS3 after the launch as you do before the console is even released.




RE: Facts
By thescreensavers on 10/4/2006 11:19:39 PM , Rating: 2
PUT FANS IN IT, SILENT FANS. Whos going to hear it when playing


Likely misinformation
By hstewarth on 10/4/2006 4:48:00 PM , Rating: 3
According to Sony this information is incorrect. You can see one such response on the following site.

http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=2014...

Also some has stated this cause Sony stocks to drop, but if you look on CNN Money - it actually rised today, maybe because they found out the information on overheating was not correct.

Even with Sony problems with batteries, Sony stocks were worst in the last 5 years then this year.

Time will tell what happens to PS3, I believe also the 360 has heat issues also. I know because my 360 has additional fan on it that I purchase.




By therealnickdanger on 10/4/2006 2:45:08 PM , Rating: 2
We have to be realistic, people wouldn't be so negative about the PS3 (before actually playing one in their house) if it wasn't so damn expensive. Sony left themselves pretty open to the media/consumer bashing by charging so much. For $600, I would expect nothing but perfection. I know that I can keep my Xbox360 enclosed in my entertainment cabinet for hours on end without having heat problems, so hopefully the PS3 can at least do that.

Sony should have known it would be an issue and had a simple dual 80mm fan system to keep the display case cool, but I'm almost glad that they didn't, because now we know this.




uh
By medavid16 on 10/4/06, Rating: 0
RE: uh
By Hakuryu on 10/4/2006 5:52:09 PM , Rating: 2
Well, the biggest reason I hate the PS3 (and Xbox 360) is the trend they are following in making a console a PC. DVD playing, online play, communications, and hard discs are all present in my PC, and I can choose from many products to make up my PC without having to buy proprietary items at premium prices. A console should be for games; not movies or PC related things, which many people already own.

A 20GB Xbox 360 Hard Drive is $99 at NewEgg.
A 320GB PC HDD is $95 at NewEgg.

That's 16x the storage at near the same price. Not to mention you can use the same PC HDD in your next computer in 2 years if you wanted.


I do not like that:
By laok on 10/4/2006 3:28:11 PM , Rating: 2
When they go to a show, they'd better be prepared. It is too hard to make people believe that that damn rig does not crash at their home while they saw it crashed during a show.

quote:
"It's not a problem with the PlayStation 3 unit itself," Kato said. "For a normal player at home, there shouldn't be any problem." With 200 PS3 retail demo units housed in see-through kiosks, one shouldn’t be surprised to see heat issues. Still, this demonstrates under what strict conditions the PS3 must operate.







By bigboxes on 10/4/2006 5:19:02 PM , Rating: 2
Every time I buy a Sony product I swear it will be my last. Their quality sucks. Their proprietary nature sucks. I'm not kidding. I have a $500 pda masquerading as a paperweight. I've got a dvd recorder that won't dupe a vhs tape that I own. To be sure I've owned the following Sony products: Cassette car stereo, CD car stereo, corded phone (lone good product), cordless phone, cassette walkman, discman (started skipping two weeks after I bought it -- it was fine as long as you never moved it at all), DVD recorder/VHS recorder, VHS recorder, Cassette/CD boombox, another Cassette/CD boombox, pda... I can't count the number of their products that I've thrown away after they've stopped working at just over a year. Thank god I didn't buy their tv in '88. The Mitsubishi has just as good of picture for $50 less. That same TV is still in use today. I'll bet the same can't be said for that Sony television that I passed up on.




By EclipsedAurora on 10/5/2006 5:34:56 AM , Rating: 2
I think people is now making too many non-sensible bad news for Sony.

Wii and XBox360 also hang frequently in game shows and demo display booth. Just imagine if u house your own PC inside a plastic shell like what Sony/M$/Nitendo did in the game show, I don't think your PC is completely saft from hanging.

Current XB360 also always hangs in demo booth with fanless plastic shell in most EB game stores.




stop complaining cause stuff is expensive
By michal1980 on 10/5/06, Rating: 0
By Arkham1 on 10/5/2006 1:20:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
for 100 dollars more you get Blu-Ray.


And wireless, and 40 extra GB, and memory card support.

Those to me are worth the extra 100 alone. Factor in HDMI, true digital audio/video, and it's a no-brainer. Fortunately for those people who don't want those things, you can pay significantly less for a 360.

The big detraction for the 360 is the lack of standardized harddrive support. I think that was more of a mistake than not including HDMI, 1080P, HD-DVD, etc.


Karma
By Misty Dingos on 10/5/2006 12:18:05 PM , Rating: 2
Sony is in the trouble it is in because of KARMA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma They did something bad and now because of that act they are now having all sorts of problems. They must make good their ill deeds and then they may have renewed good favor of the market place.

The ill deed? Oh they lost vision of the future and cancelled Qrio. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qrio

Mark my words until Sony returns to the market place with a grand vision they will not be sucessful.

No vision = No profits.




By OxBow on 10/4/2006 4:56:57 PM , Rating: 1
I design Museum exhibits for a living and ventilation for casework is always critical. Whether it's a computer/video interactive kiosk, a historic textile display or a mineral exhibit, you always have to address the ventilation issue. Trade show casework is always farmed out to tradeshow exhibit companies (and Sony usually gets a write up in the industry magazines for their exhibit designs), so if the problem was poor ventilation, Sony should be cornering their design company and sitting down for a little talk.

If the programing was at fault, that's a different story, and something that I have no background in. The casework issue, however, is an inexcusable error on the part of the exhibit designer. The blame for overheating can fall directly on the designers shoulders. period.




PS3
By Crusader on 10/4/06, Rating: -1
RE: PS3
By michal1980 on 10/4/06, Rating: -1
RE: PS3
By EclipsedAurora on 10/5/2006 5:59:25 AM , Rating: 2
good point! boy!

XB people just want to attack Sony becox they don't want PS3 to mark their machine to be outdated only. But their points are usually pointless, just making up news to let people know their technical knowledge.

Tried and true CPU setup? All people know is IBM throw away G5 like the XB PowerPC to achieve Cell. IBM is the maker of both CPU inside 360 and PS3, and now her motion already tells u which is the best.

Man, PowerPC with 3 cores sharing 1MB L2 cache, no rapid transfer between cores. Seems like an outdated Pentium Dual design. Plus GPU and CPU shares memory for poor latency bandwidth for bonus. No idea why people still thing it is a king.


RE: PS3
By EclipsedAurora on 10/5/2006 5:51:31 AM , Rating: 2
Same wireless controllers? Are u kidding?

Man PS3 controller is using Bluetooth 2 while 360 is using buddy old bluetooth 1.

360 is dead when talking about her original aim --- integration to home AV system in everyone's living room. No SPDIF No HDMI? pls don't joke me. Even 7 year's old PS2 has SPDIF DTS out!

Don't forget PS2 has eyetoy while in 360 u will have difficuties to even find a gun like what we used in PS1 Time Crisis 10 yrs ago....LOL


RE: PS3
By Arkham1 on 10/5/2006 1:10:13 PM , Rating: 2
The 360 uses standard 2.4 GHz RF wireless. I think I'd prefer Bluetooth for my wireless environment. Hopefully there'll be less interference.


BUUUUUUUUURN
By sdfgdsfgsdfg on 10/4/06, Rating: -1
RE: BUUUUUUUUURN
By gersson on 10/4/2006 8:15:42 PM , Rating: 1
lol


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