quote: I can understand the concern that some people have about where it might lead in terms of commercial fetal harvest (possibly paying people to have abortions).
quote: In any case, scientists said, the advance does not mean that research that involves getting stem cells from human embryos should now be abandoned. "We simply don't know which approach ... will work the best," said researcher Konrad Hochedlinger of the Harvard Stem Cell Institute, who led one of the three teams.
quote: The technique used in the mouse studies could promote cancer in any patients getting therapy based on iPS cells, so researchers emphasized that a new approach that avoids that hazard would have to be developed.
quote: What moral dilemma? The only reason the US has such a restrictive policy on stem cell research, whereas the rest of the world doesn't, is that religious fruitcakes have too much power in the States.
quote: But I guess it shouldn't come as a surprise, considering that about 50% of the population still believes the earth is less than 10000 years old and that evolution doesn't exist.
quote: all religious people are "fruitcakes"... right?
quote: Like it or not the U.S. is the largest superpower on earth (right now) and it got it's start from a lot of people, especially including the religious.
quote: You've got no backup to prove that religion and science are mutually exclusive.
quote: I like how you imply that anyone who believes this is an idiot.
quote: I'm guessing that you are a believer in evolution
quote: What we're talking about here (and what you're ranting against) is ethics.
quote: People have valid concern for ethics because science is all about fact and there needs to be a balance.
quote: It's ethics and morality that are saving your life if you're damaged and it costs more to fix you than it would cost to steal your heart for the person in the next room.
quote: Agree or not, the idea that we build and kill human life in the name of science is a scary thing.
quote: What keeps it from being YOUR heart, liver, arm, lung that they harvest because it's good for science?
quote: I believe this means Congress can't pass any laws for or against. Freedom OF religion doesn't mean freedom FROM religion.
quote: No, just the ones that try to apply their religious notions to politics and science instead of keeping it to themselves. I don't care what people believe as long as they don't impose their ideas on others and try to restrict rational thought.
quote: Well actually the founding fathers specifically wanted to separate religion from politics.
quote: Have you read the founding documents or did you just get that from moveon.org or the like?
quote: Embryonic stem cell research is not illegal, its just not funded by the US Government. When there is such a divide in a Country where the tax payers are so divided thats really the only way to be fair to those who would be footing the bill.
quote: You should also realize that its not only religious people who are against abortion and stem cell research. A good many non-religious people have moral questions over these issues as well.
quote: I defy you to show me anywhere in the Constitution where it states "Separation of church and state" as you claim.
quote: You may want to read about the Danbury Baptists letter to Thomas Jefferson.
quote: They wanted a state religion but Jefferson stated the Constitution about Congress shall make no law concerning religion. If I'm not mistaken, Jefferson wrote the Bill of Rights, had no part in the Constitution.
quote: Bill of rights is a separate document but no less important.
quote: Are you stating the Bill of Rights is in fact IN the Constitution?
quote: It is as you said an Amendment. You still are comparing apples to apples and focusing on the trivial.
quote: You still haven't proved it was written it with the original Constitution, which was my main question.
quote: Congrats, many posts for basically nothing.
quote: I also never said Amendments were not PART of the Constituiton but rather not IN the original.
quote: Silliest analogy I have ever heard and incorrect.
quote: I have only disputed your claim that the Bill of Rights was written in with the Constitution.
quote: Wrong to go by a poll of 2012 to “speak for all Americans”
quote: First you say Alaska and Montana then change up with Wyoming? You’re all over the place here, see above.
quote: Not only a silly argument but you got the votes wrong as well.
quote: All this being written, I still agree with several of your posts.
quote: Actually, Evolution is still considered a "Theory" by scientists. it is only considered a "Fact" be people who don't know the difference between the two.
quote: I like how you imply that anyone who believes this is an idiot. I'm guessing that you are a believer in evolution and that in your arrogance you think anyone who believes otherwise is a fool... right?
quote: He can't finish college, he's in debt about 50k, and anyone who calls up his service record will see that he's not only a felon, but dishonorably discharged for fleeing. Despicable really.
quote: Since when did getting a draft card mean mandatory military service?
quote: There's a provision for cowards that don't understand or don't care that the draft exists to raise men in order to defend the nation and it's people or its vital interests, and it's called conscientious objection.
quote: The Middle Ages form the middle period in a traditional schematic division of European history into three "ages": the classical civilization of Antiquity, the Middle Ages and Modern Times. They were a period of great cultural, political, and economic change in Europe.
quote: Do I think that a 1-week old embryo is a human? No, but it WILL be under the right conditions.
quote: I can understand the concern that some people have about where it might lead in terms of commercial fetal harvest (possibly paying people to have abortions).That's rediculous. It's not a binary issue where it can only be completely unregulated mayhem or nothing. Of course there have to be laws and regulations so there can be nothing like commercial fetal harvesting, but that doesn't mean you can't do research on embryons that would have been thrown away anyway.
quote: something 70% of America believes in.
quote: I am also suspecting you like to argue just to argue.
quote: I have proven (actually, with your terrific help)how little of US history and law you really know and all you can do is ask why a few states have smaller Electoral votes that others?
quote: It's 3 not 2.
quote: The thinking from Bush, I think, is that embryos in the future would be made specifically to be destroyed, and then used in this research.
quote: What is so wrong with doing research on Jews that are going to be sent to the gas chamber/killed anyways?
quote: And so, one of the underlying agendas surfaces; human embryos, because of their name/stage of development are seen not to be alive and human. What inherent justification/right is there to end the lives of embryos?
quote: What inherent justification/right is there to end the lives of embryos?
quote: So, how do you define "fully developed"?
quote: quote: So, how do you define "fully developed"?Capable of survival as an independent entity.
quote: I guess this must mean that all micro organisms are not developed and anything that feeds of another animal is not fully developed?
quote: Or what if we put you on Mars? How long would you last? And I'm assuming that you consider yourself "fully developed".
quote: So, maybe you need a new argument, cause the way I see it there are no living things on Earth that can survive independent of all other entities.
quote: Many people in science today are religious
quote: What we're talking about here (and what you're ranting against) is ethics. People care about moral questions. People have valid concern for ethics because science is all about fact and there needs to be a balance. Science is not concerned with feelings or morals.