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BB OS is out, BBX is in

Recent reports from market research firms have revealed that Waterloo, Ontario based Canadian smartphone maker Research in Motion, Ltd. (TSE:RIM) is losing customers not only on a percentage basis, but also on a per unit basis in the U.S.  Adding to the company's woes, it recently experienced a major international outage that left BlackBerry users without email or messaging service.

But the company had some good news to announce, this week airing "BBX", its next generation BlackBerry operating system, at its DevCon keynote address.  The new operating system supports both native and web apps.


On the web app side, there's built in support for Android Java applications, much like the RIM Playbook.  This is critical as it gives new BlackBerries access to literally hundreds of thousands of new apps.  HTML5 web apps are also fully supported.

On the native apps side, there's a new Native SDK.  There's a new GUI SDK -- Cascade UI with support for 3D animations and more.  RIM is offering support for 100 commonly used open source libraries, including the popular multithreading library POSIX.  And for native apps RIM is also adding new deep integration to the company's push and BlackBerry Mail (BBM) services.


RIM President and Co-CEO.Mike Lazaridis was on hand to announce BBX [Source: RIM]

Adobe Inc.'s (ADBE) Flash and Air apps are fully supported.

The new operating system will be available on new BlackBerries and will be available as an OS upgrade for the PlayBook and future tablets.  An early build is available via the "BlackBerry PlayBook OS 2.0 Developer Beta."

The base code of the operating system comes from QNX, the OS currently used in the RIM PlayBook, but borrows literally from RIM's own BlackBerry OS.  QNX was first released in 1982 by a fellow Waterloo firm, and was purchased in 2004 by Harman International Industries (HAR).  Then in 2010 RIM scooped up the OS-maker, reaching an agreement to buy it from Harman.

BBX Product
The new OS will be installed on both RIM's tablets and its BlackBerry smartphones.
[Source: Berry Review]

Mike Lazaridis, President and Co-CEO at RIM, cheered the fruit of that acquisition, stating, "With nearly 5 million BlackBerry apps downloaded daily, our customers have made BlackBerry one of the most profitable platforms for developers.  At DevCon today, we're giving developers the tools they need to build richer applications and we're providing direction on how to best develop their smartphone and tablet apps as the BlackBerry and QNX platforms converge into our next generation BBX platform."

Some employees and investors have recently expressed skepticism [1][2] about the leadership at RIM.  Nonetheless, with increasingly attractive hardware, and a reinvigorated OS effort, RIM just may have what it takes to pull off a turnaround.

Source: BerryReview



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By troysavary on 10/18/2011 9:32:18 PM , Rating: 2
Blackberry Balance will be the reason the corporate world sticks with Blackberry. This feature allows IT to lock down the enterprise side of the phone while still allowing it to be a personal phone for Facebook, games' etc. There will be two separate instances of the OS on the phone that do not speak to each other. Corporate data will be walled away from the personal area of the phone so apps that the user installs will not have access to the corporate network or any sensitive data on the phone. They will be able to allow workers to use their work phone as their fun phone without having to have two phones. This is huge.




By EricMartello on 10/19/2011 1:43:09 PM , Rating: 2
Dual booting with one of the two OSes being secured is huge? It's not exactly a new idea...by that same token, do you really want to be employing dipsh1ts who feel the need to play with their phones instead of getting work done? I wouldn't.


By priusone on 10/19/2011 2:52:33 PM , Rating: 2
Really? I always thought that the goal was to just have one phone to mess with. My work let's me text and make phone calls to non-work related numbers when I'm not at work. Sure, you'll have people who always abuse the system, but for your average Joe, one phone is a lot better than two.


By troysavary on 10/20/2011 7:10:19 AM , Rating: 2
They wouldn't have to play during work hours. This is designed so that they can use their phone after work and on days off. Besides, for a lot of jobs, the line between "at work" and "Not at work" is rather blurry.


By retrospooty on 10/20/2011 9:07:00 AM , Rating: 2
Still not seing this as a big feature. Security in a mobile phone is just a myth. If the job is highly secure, there should be no mobile at all. If there is extremely important data that cannot get into "the enemys" hands it should never be put on a mobile phone, not a BB, not Winmob, not Apple, not any. For normal people at normal companies how is this helpful?


Skepticism
By cfaalm on 10/18/2011 3:33:20 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Some employees and investors have recently expressed skepticism


This seems to be a very good move, though. Bolder than HP (squandering the potential of WebOS) and about the only right thing to do if they want to stay in the game. Good luck, RIM! Put up a fight while you can.




RE: Skepticism
By Mitch101 on 10/18/2011 3:54:56 PM , Rating: 2
Strange enough Web OS got an update today
http://gizmodo.com/5850862/hp-touchpad-gets-a-webo...

WebOS 3.0.4 improves the camera app, messaging, connectivity to non-HP phones, and generally "touches up" the UI and overall performance. It also delivered a nice update to webOS's developer tools, which is encouraging for anyone hoping for a not-quite-dead-in-the-water TouchPad.


RE: Skepticism
By n00bxqb on 10/19/2011 4:48:56 AM , Rating: 2
The Camera app is less than inspiring, but the performance boost is definitely nice and quite noticeable. I wasn't expecting anything noticeable, so it's a welcome bonus.


Typical Blackberry?
By 2ManyOptions on 10/19/2011 10:50:11 AM , Rating: 2
While I have not used a BB phone so far, the typical small screen with a relatively large looking yet cramped keyboard makes it looks lame compared to it's competitors offerings. While the new OS might bring in new features maybe what they really need is to bring out some really good phones comparable to its competition (targeted at a more widespread audience rather than restricted to business users).
Apart from the recently launched full-touch Torch 9850 (this is the latest if I'm not wrong), none looked appealing.




RE: Typical Blackberry?
By powerwerds on 10/19/2011 10:02:17 PM , Rating: 2
Your comment about the form factor made me think for a minute. On the one hand, yeah with that big physical keyboard they are just never going to come close to realizing the screen space of a full-touch form factor. On the other hand, I've never had a more enjoyable input experience on a mobile than when I had my Blackberry back in the day around around 07. Dude I used to just fly on that keyboard. Going from touch-tone entry to a physical mini qwerty interface was really quite a game-changer for me as a user.

Going from that to a qwerty layout on a touch interface, I was very much less enthused about. Not only did my speed drop a little, touch keyboards just seem to be ever so slightly, almost imperceptably, laggy tactilely. The biggest drawback was actually in accuracy. I think the physical layout, as opposed to the touch, must just confer a little more of a realized real-time error correction. When your fingers are flying and you miss the correct letter by just a smidgeon, on a physical keyboard you can kind of tell, oh I just over/under shot, and what I meant to press is right here, and thats a correction that happens on the fly. For touch screens, hitting a miss feels an awful lot like hitting a hit, it feels the same really.

However, concerning telephonic input entry, we are seemingly in the midst of a very real paradigm shift (you aren't just changing games, you are changing worlds), note:

Rotary entry > Touch Tone entry > Qwerty entry > Worlds truly unconstrained by lowlier tactile entry interfaces. Siri being a recently marketed example.

That phone, the 8703, was a very bright moment in my mobile history. It was the first phone I owned that lasted longer than a year. I was a junior in college by that time, and had continuously had cells since 1999. Though a few got washed, one or two got lost, a couple broken catastrophically (flip phones can gtfo in general imho), they seemed to poop out otherwise, and I felt validated as a consumer if my phone was older than 6 months. Also, it was free! It came as a hand-me-down from my sis who was upgrading to one of their new pearl variants. It was my first phone without an antenna, crucial to my backpocket-storage usage characteristic. First one I owned with full html web-browsing, and also the first one without those pesky SMS length caps (I can maybe capture single sentence brevity, on the whole.. ehh.. no). And sadly, maybe most saddest of all, it was the last of my someone-else-footing-the-bill cell use era.

Brick breaker with the side wheel anyone?!? Fire! That keyboard though really had me feeling like the bee's knees. I am not, however, objectively convinced of further bees-kneesment by users switching to RIM at this particular, current point in time. Its a shame though because with less competitors comes less varied attempts to break through the current form factor deliveries and move on to, or even glimpse, tomorrow today. I am not trying to break hearts here, but yes, what I mean is that the last cell phone made will not, contrary to various current enfeebled sentiments, look like your I-phone.


What RIM needs to succeed:
By mavricxx on 10/23/2011 12:15:45 PM , Rating: 2
In order for RIM to succeed, they need to make their App Store available to everyone not just some countries. I've traveled to countries where it didn't allow me to download because its not setup for that country or whatever. Another thing is- don't bring out another half ass product to market. The PlayBook is a great product but it needs A LOT of work still and that's its biggest issue. I'm excited about BBX as much as any BB fan but for goodness sake RIM- please don't screw up BBX, otherwise you're really going under.




A bit of correction for usual Mick's anti-RIM trolling
By Pirks on 10/18/11, Rating: -1
By MrRuckus on 10/18/2011 3:44:03 PM , Rating: 5
Normally I dont post comments. But I just had to say.

You come off as a real dick.


By blueaurora on 10/18/2011 4:01:31 PM , Rating: 3
Agree'd.... that guy sounds like a friendless 70 year old holding a colostomy bag. Get a life or get some ethical boundrys....


By bupkus on 10/18/2011 5:13:27 PM , Rating: 2
70 year olds don't get to 70 wasting their time and energy on this BS.

Signed
62 year old

...(damn)


By retrospooty on 10/18/2011 5:09:30 PM , Rating: 2
LOL... That is hilarious. I remember posting that exact same thing to him a year or two ago when he was flying off the handle about Apple. =)


By Samus on 10/18/2011 10:32:09 PM , Rating: 2
I think he's just in denial because he just shelled out $300 on the new Torch 2 that won't upgrade to QNX and pays over $100 to use it on AT&T fantastic network.


By Cheesew1z69 on 10/19/2011 11:03:35 AM , Rating: 2
He is just in denial.


By MrWho on 10/18/2011 4:14:05 PM , Rating: 2
I really don't think that was at all necessary.

"Amid shrinking US-only market share"

That, at least to me, means that the US market share alone is shrinking.

Of course that's also what you said, just in other words. Why tell everybody that the shirt you're wearing is fuchsia, not magenta?

Maybe it's not a coincidence that Pirks is almost an anagram for Pricks...


By Obujuwami on 10/18/2011 4:53:25 PM , Rating: 3
I missed you Pirks...and just to keep the forums entertaining...

Apple sucks, America is awesome, and feeding trolls is great!

Enjoy!


By retrospooty on 10/18/2011 5:07:47 PM , Rating: 3
"P.P.S. retrospooty, your turn to troll now, come out with your bets and chest thumping hehe ;) "

OK, I bet you sleep alone at night =)

As for the RIM thread, I think you already have penty of people in this thread that are calling you out on your nonsense, so I will leave it to them. =) I have powned you enough for this week. I will see you in the next article posted showing RIM's decline and reply to your inability to see what everyone else sees. L8


By retrospooty on 10/19/2011 9:14:09 AM , Rating: 2
I love it!!!

There are 6 people in this small thread calling you out on your BS... 6. So your answer is to post one persons comment that agreed with you from another article not even on the same subject matter (RIM) and say "You lost this time, again"

LOL. If that is the funniest thing you ever posted. Thanks for the morning laugh!


By Pirks on 10/19/2011 10:04:58 AM , Rating: 1
Haha like six mindless trolls mean anything? Hahaha come on man, is that all you got?

I mean trolls are trolls, there's nothing new here, I call out JM on his dumb anti-RIM trolling and mistakes in his post, and these trolls tell me I'm a dick? Great! I expected trolls to come in here and telling me I'm dick, 'cause I'm usually the only one noticing errors and inconsistencies in JM's trolling. Not like I expected these guys to tell me where I'm wrong and why, they can not offer anything contradicting my FACTS, that's the point.

So they are calling me dick instead because they are angry that they can not do anything about those facts.

I like the fact that only trolls calling me names support you, this is telling! If I post some facts here in whatever thread and some troll does not immediately attack me by calling names I start to think maybe my facts were wrong or something?

Like some dork says "Apple is doomed!!!" and I say "wait a sec, how come they are doomed when their quarter reports show constant growth" and then immediately those "six trolls" of yours come in and start calling me dick.

This is nice, my FACTS GOT THEM, they started yelling and crying 'cause they can't counter my arguments WITH ANY FACTS OF THEIR OWN! This is fun, don't you see?


By retrospooty on 10/19/2011 10:14:54 AM , Rating: 2
What fact? The graph I showed you has declines in other regions too. Like we talked about before it went from 20% down to 16% then up to 18% in Europe. I see that as down 2% (from 20 to 18) and you see it as up 2% (from 16 to 18). Neither is incorrect, my point is its down overall, yours is its up in most recent timeline.

I love the post above because it outlines your whole denial methodology. Ignore all the bad news, and take one slightly good news out of context and base your whole argument on that minor piece ignoring the big picture. Then you insult people and call it a win LOL. Too funny.

I call you out on that and of course I am a troll because I disagree with you. Me, Jaguar investment group, wall street, most analysts, RIM employees, RIM stockholders, reviewers, smartphone industry insiders, and pretty much anyone that is paying a tiny bit of attention. We are all trolls. No, you arent in denial, everyone else is a troll (Pirks cries out from underneath his bridge)


By Pirks on 10/19/2011 1:11:02 PM , Rating: 2
Your graph showed increase in market share in Europe and other regions in the past 18 months, so technically the RIM market share is growing there recently, this is why I found JM's "ALL THE WORLD'S RIM MARKET SHARE IS FALLING EVERYWHERE" idiocy pretty funny. He's just spinning it to serve his agenda and I don't like unobjective reporting, that is all.


By retrospooty on 10/19/2011 1:34:37 PM , Rating: 2
I know this may be hard for you to understand but the implication is that overall its going down. This means when you add it all together as a whole its going down. No 1 said its going down everywhere. For you to quote Jason and put it in all caps is a bold face lie.


By Pirks on 10/19/2011 2:14:23 PM , Rating: 2
First there's no such proven implication, if the market share goes up in some areas and down in others - it's unproven that overall it's going down. Second the market is growing hence RIM sales grow globally too even if the market share declining (which is unproven again).


By retrospooty on 10/19/2011 2:19:00 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, I know, we have been over that before... Thus the bet that you are too cowardly to take.

The bet: By October next year, there won’t be any way for RIM to hide behind creative data reporting and "pick and choose" facts . RIM’s numbers will be down all over , sales, marketshare, everything, everywhere and it will be undeniable.

I am done with this for now. What I have sucessefully done here in the past few weeks is exposed you for what you are. An agenda driven troll... and an angry little one at that. You ignore many facts you dont want to hear and exaggerate the few that support your agenda. Then you twist peoples words around and continue to argue against things they never said or even implied. Then you change the subject and have arguments that are totally unrelated and insult them for disagreeing with you and.or your style. You and I both know it, as does anyone that had the misfortune of reading our recent volleys. On top of all that, you slither out of the opportunity to stand behind what you say and bet on RIM's future prospects.

You sir, have been outed and pwned.


By Pirks on 10/19/2011 2:30:59 PM , Rating: 2
Lotsa hot air man :))) I'll watch JM's bias and negative spin on RIM anyway and correct him to make his negative spin more objective whenever I can.

Taking bets has nothing to do with unobjective reporting and putting a negative or positive spin depending on reporter's hidden agenda. Still, you may proceed with your chest thumping bets in a meanwhile, see if I care :P


By retrospooty on 10/19/2011 2:59:53 PM , Rating: 2
I take special note of hte fact that you dont adress a single part of this below... " What I have sucessefully done here in the past few weeks is exposed you for what you are. An agenda driven troll... and an angry little one at that. You ignore many facts you dont want to hear and exaggerate the few that support your agenda. Then you twist peoples words around and continue to argue against things they never said or even implied. Then you change the subject and have arguments that are totally unrelated and insult them for disagreeing with you and.or your style. You and I both know it, as does anyone that had the misfortune of reading our recent volleys. On top of all that, you slither out of the opportunity to stand behind what you say and bet on RIM's future prospects."

You sir, have been outed and pwned.


By Pirks on 10/19/2011 3:33:51 PM , Rating: 2
I also call JM agenda driven troll because he always puts positive spin on Android and negative spin on RIM, and I fight his bias and prejudices all the time, so what? You can call me the same, see if I care :)


By Pirks on 10/19/2011 3:41:24 PM , Rating: 2
LOL! "BlackBerry Mail (BBM)"!!! Hahahaaa Mick is so dumb, oh man, I love this guy, he posts some random junk about stuff he never used and knows zero about, all error ridden and subjective, and I just have a field day here LOL :)))


By retrospooty on 10/19/2011 3:42:06 PM , Rating: 2
He may report positive on Android and negative on RIM, but that is because Android is charging ahead and RIM is floundering and you know it. You call it "spin" becasue you dont like it, but it is what's going on in hte smartphone industry...

Furthermore, even if it is spun, he doesnt do like you and twist peoples words around and continue to argue against things they never said or even implied. Then you change the subject and have arguments that are totally unrelated and insult them for disagreeing with you. That's all you Pirks.

Outed and pwned.


By Pirks on 10/19/2011 3:50:44 PM , Rating: 1
It's not about the fact that BlackBerry lost the US market share, it's about the fact that Mick all by himself decided that US equals world and started to lie about the world market share of RIM going down, which is UNPROVEN yet, because in some regions market share went up in the past 18 months. This is called bias, got it?

Mick just can't state the dry facts, he always adds some lunatic bullshit of his own to the facts, why? Because he's a click hunter, he's sold his soul for clicks and he trolls in his posts because he gets more clicks this way. You're a little child if you can't see and understand all this.


By retrospooty on 10/19/2011 4:36:26 PM , Rating: 2
"all by himself decided that US equals world and started to lie about the world market share of RIM going down, which is UNPROVEN yet"

Really?

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/09/17/idINIndia...

Really?
http://www.bgr.com/2011/09/16/blackberry-market-sh...

Really?
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1466313

Get it now?

"RIM's market share slipping even globally - analysts"

""While the RIMM bulls have long pinned their hopes on international growth offsetting North America declines, this quarter largely defeated that thesis, as international revenues are now also in steep decline," Goldman Sachs analyst Simona Jankowski wrote in a note to clients.

Second-quarter revenue from international operations, excluding UK, fell 15 percent from the previous quarter -- proof that the decline in RIM's market share is not constrained to the U.S. and UK markets."

"RIM sold 11.9 million devices to end users in the third quarter of 2010, and its global share of the smartphone market fell to 14.8 percent. RIM's share of the overall North American market declined to 11.2 percent in the third quarter of 2010"

"Market share woes aside, the analyst calls RIM’s sharp decline in profitability the “biggest shock” among the bad news from yesterday’s earnings report. “It seems that operating margin dropped from 21% to 13%,” wrote Dediu in his post. “The company did incur some one-time charges for recent layoffs, but even without that charge, the margins would be around 16%."

"BlackBerry handset shipments in the fiscal second quarter were down 11% compared to the same quarter in 2010, and down 18% sequentially. “In terms of market share, we’ll have to wait for the competitor data over the next six weeks but the market has been growing at an average of 77% for four quarters so any continuation of this trend would imply RIM’s share dropping to single digits,"


By retrospooty on 10/19/2011 4:42:26 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, sorry, I missed a few good ones...

"Yet, RIM's management remains in "blatant denial," said Bernstein's Ferragu, who believes the company's outlook for the third quarter and the full year appears "unrealistic.""

"RIM’s net income plummeted by 60%, margins were squeezed, average selling prices of BlackBerry smartphones dropped and RIM managed to burn through more than half of its cash in a single quarter. Concerns are mounting, analysts are barking and RIM’s stock fell off a cliff in after-hours trading. Tossing yet another concern onto the pile, RIM’s global smartphone market share likely dipped into the single digits last quarter. Read on for more."

Graph here... Everything up except RIM and Nokia.

http://www.bgr.com/2011/09/16/blackberry-market-sh...


By Pirks on 10/19/2011 6:17:49 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, first you show me the graph where market share grows in some regions and then next thing you show me the graph where shipments decline. How come they decline if in Europe and other regions the market share grew past 18 months according to your other graph?

Besides, market analysts also spell doom and gloom for Apple these days because Apple "underperformed". Yeah very strong argument those analysts who bash Apple and everyone else. This is their job to bash, they get paid for that, so no need to sell me all this stuff. I wanna see next quarter report and compare, see if BB7 changed anything from negative trends to positive ones, then I'll have the answer to whether RIM is really in permanent decline or it was just a dip caused by the BB7 delay for 6 months or so.


By retrospooty on 10/19/2011 6:30:18 PM , Rating: 2
"Yeah, first you show me the graph where market share grows in some regions and then next thing you show me the graph where shipments decline. How come they decline if in Europe and other regions the market share grew past 18 months according to your other graph?"

OMG, why do you keep trying? RIM just announced its Q2 results a few days ago. Are you that dense not to look at the dates? This is the latest data that didn't exist on the previous graph. This is the trend I was TELLING YOU WOULD HAPPEN and you couldnt accept it. It's RIM's data, not alalysts. Some of it is analysts take on RIM's data, but hte data is from RIM, the data showing worldwide decline came from RIM. This is the "there won’t be any way for RIM to hide behind creative data reporting and "pick and choose" facts." part coming to fruition you daft idiot.

pwned again... Or are you going to keep trying? Your just making yourself look foolish at this point. =)


By Pirks on 10/19/2011 6:47:50 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, so the growing marketshare trend was even without BB7? This is excellent news, come think of it. I wanna see next quarter report that includes BB7 sales to confirm my hypothesis that BB7 will pull RIM out of the pit.


By retrospooty on 10/19/2011 6:56:56 PM , Rating: 2
I dont know where the cutoff is, and I am sure they will get a bump from that, but it wont be enough. Thus the bet that you are agraid to take even with OS7 and QNX in the pipe. =)


By Pirks on 10/19/2011 11:02:23 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I'm not into chest thumping bets like you, I prefer to pwn trolls. This is different business you know. I have no idea if QNX will save RIM, I just find it childish to bury any business alive and kicking. Until the company goes bankrupt there's always chance for coming back. This is true not for RIM only, this is about any business out there.

I've seen soooo manyyy people burying Apple alive in my days, soo many of them, that your burying of RIM just looks stupid now. After Apple was "buried" same people started to bury MS, now it's RIM's turn, after RIM they will bury Nintendo, after Nintendo they will bury Sony or someone else, doesn't matter. Burying trolls never stop burying, they can't live without it.


By retrospooty on 10/20/2011 9:11:08 AM , Rating: 2
OK< well, you arent doing very well in hte owning dept... In fact the opposite.

http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=11378

"RIM's global market share fell from a 19.6 percent hold to a 16.1 percent share."

http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_conten...

"The careworn company also recently announced it was cutting 10% of its global workforce to trim costs, and that it was also reorganising upper management."


By Pirks on 10/20/2011 11:09:19 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=11378
stale data from last year, I'm more interested in the next quarter report which includes BB7, this will reveal true RIM potential without your constant trolling about how ancient BB6 and BB5 phones suck
quote:
http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://forums.crackberry.com/playbook-apps-games-f...

While you're regurgitating old "news" here about RIM staff cuts a few months ago people have converted a whole ton of useful android apps like skype into PlayBook bar files, all tested and ready to go to the masses once the OS 2.0 beta turns into the release.

This quick almost exponential overnight growth of PlayBook apps catalog will be ignored by trolls like you and JM. You'd much rather share here bad news from a few months ago instead of a good news from yesterday. This tells everything about who you really are. I can see through you troll!


By retrospooty on 10/20/2011 11:35:48 AM , Rating: 2
"I'm more interested in the next quarter report which includes BB7, this will reveal true RIM potential without your constant trolling "

Says the troll from underneath his bridge. I have fed you enough for now. You have been sufficiently owned on this subject. I will own you again on the next thread unless of course you want to take that bet, in which case I will own you next october.

The bet: By October next year, there won’t be any way for RIM to hide behind creative data reporting and "pick and choose" facts. RIM’s numbers will be down all over , sales, marketshare, everything, everywhere and it will be undeniable.


By Pirks on 10/20/2011 1:00:31 PM , Rating: 2
You can't own me until good RIM news stop flowing in. I'll repost these news here every time I see anti-RIM trolling, just to keep this forum more objective and balanced. You can keep reposting old regurgitated "news" from a year ago, while I'll be posting new fresh stuff. This is more interesting to me.


By retrospooty on 10/20/2011 1:28:45 PM , Rating: 2
The app store doesn't mean a whole lot without sales. show me sales. Now lets see here look at the title of your thread. I posted links Showing that you are uninformed... It's not news from a year ago its news from rims latest quarterly reports. I just wanted to clarify that so that we are clear on exactly what you are in denial about. You have been owned and you know it you just wont admit it and are too cowardly to stand behind it troll boy


By Pirks on 10/20/2011 1:33:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's not news from a year ago
Info from your link above ==>> http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=11378

"News by Todd Haselton on Saturday October 23, 2010 "

So it is a year old info and you are lying again :P Keep lying and getting your lies outed by me, it's all you can do now hehe :)))


By retrospooty on 10/20/2011 2:18:21 PM , Rating: 2
No, you are pick and choosing facts like you always do. 3 of the 4 links were this month based on RIM's latest quarterly results. Once again you have outed yourself as a lying sack, and a number fudging troll . You are used to people just letting you off the hook, but I am tired of that. I am holding you up to your BS. You have been totally owned. The links below show that RIM is in fact losing worldwide marketshare, and that you pick and choose facts to suit your agenda. You aren't getting off the hook here troll boy. ou ignore many facts you dont want to hear and exaggerate the few that support your agenda. Then you twist peoples words around and continue to argue against things they never said or even implied. Then you change the subject and have arguments that are totally unrelated and insult them for disagreeing with you and/or your style. You and I both know it, as does anyone that had the misfortune of reading our recent volleys. On top of all that, you slither out of the opportunity to stand behind what you say and bet on RIM's future prospects.

You sir, have been outed and pwned.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/09/17/idINIndia...
Sat Sep 17, 2011

http://www.bgr.com/2011/09/16/blackberry-market-sh...
Sep 16th, 2011

http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_conten...
19 Oct 2011


By retrospooty on 10/20/2011 2:22:57 PM , Rating: 2
fixed the Rueters link.

Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:30pm IST
"RIM's market share slipping even globally"

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/09/17/idINIndia...


By Pirks on 10/20/2011 2:37:35 PM , Rating: 2
The links show that in fact some analyst somewhere said "we believe this trend is starting to spread to international markets" - yeah ok they believe that, I believe this and not that, so what? Why should I believe some shady analyst when I can make conclusions based on my own rationale? If you're telling me I have problems because my BELIEFS are different from that analyst BELIEFS well you'll need some councelling then.

I judge RIM not by beliefs but by facts. You showing me links where some analyst "believes" something he chooses to believe does not change anything. Why are you even regurgitating some analyst beliefs again and again? I told you I need facts and not analyst beliefs.


By retrospooty on 10/20/2011 3:09:36 PM , Rating: 2
Hello... Read the articles. Its not based on beliefs... What the analysts think will happen next is based on beliefs. The #'s were released by RIM, as all companies do each quarter. The #'s show worldwide declines. At some point you are going to have to admit it.

"I judge RIM not by beliefs but by facts"

ROFLMAO!!!

Too funny. You "judge" RIM by pure fantasy.


By Pirks on 10/20/2011 3:23:50 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I've seen the numbers from RIM this summer and this fall that say this:
1) Revenue in the first quarter of fiscal 2012 grew 16% over the same quarter last year
2) International revenue in Q1 grew 67% year over year
3) The BlackBerry subscriber base grew 40% year over year to surpass 70 million
So let me judge RIM by these numbers in addition to your persistent trolling, okay? Just to stay more objective and unbiased. You don't mind, do you?


By retrospooty on 10/20/2011 3:34:38 PM , Rating: 2
And that's why you're afraid to take that bet. =)

Whatever dude. we arent getting anywhere with this. your mind is sealed shut like a tightly clenched fist and nothing's gonna change that... until next october perhaps


By Pirks on 10/20/2011 4:15:02 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not taking bets about any other company too, it's not just about RIM. I'm not taking bets about Samsung or Apple or MS either, or any other company. Maybe this soothes your broken soul a little :)

Bets and chest thumping is for children. Grow up retro, frow up.


By Pirks on 10/20/2011 4:18:48 PM , Rating: 2
frow==grow


By retrospooty on 10/20/2011 4:53:37 PM , Rating: 2
Uh... ya, I am the one with issues here. ;)

Reality is over-rated anyhow ;)


By Pirks on 10/20/2011 5:33:51 PM , Rating: 2
Not issues, but some childishness with your chest thumping. It's a minor thing though, don't worry :)


By retrospooty on 10/21/2011 9:46:04 AM , Rating: 2
IF calling you out on your BS is childish, then I am 7 years old and suckin' everything through a straw. =) n


By Pirks on 10/21/2011 1:17:06 PM , Rating: 2
You can call me out without chest thumping if you're an adult


By retrospooty on 10/21/2011 1:25:14 PM , Rating: 2
Yoiu are the last person that should be calling anyone childish based on the way you post here at AT/DT for years now. You act like a spoled brat that cant accept others opinions. And call you out? I did...

/paste - What I have sucessefully done here in the past few weeks is exposed you for what you are. An agenda driven troll... and an angry little one at that. You ignore many facts you dont want to hear and exaggerate the few that support your agenda. Then you twist peoples words around and continue to argue against things they never said or even implied. Then you change the subject and have arguments that are totally unrelated and insult them for disagreeing with you and/or your style. You and I both know it, as does anyone that had the misfortune of reading our recent volleys. On top of all that, you slither out of the opportunity to stand behind what you say and bet on RIM's future prospects.


By Pirks on 10/21/2011 2:52:33 PM , Rating: 2
I accept others opinions, doesn't mean I can't pwn them with some cool facts :P


By retrospooty on 10/21/2011 3:07:53 PM , Rating: 2
"doesn't mean I can't pwn them with some cool facts"

Cool, let me know if you ever get any =)


By retrospooty on 10/21/2011 4:24:10 PM , Rating: 2
pick and choose, pick and choose pick and choose.


By Pirks on 10/21/2011 4:58:45 PM , Rating: 2
lie about "only me", lie about "only me" lie about "only me".


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