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The new Kindle Fire's resolution will be 1280x800

The tech world has had tablet fever over the last few months with the release of Apple's new iPad, Microsoft's Surface tablet announcement, and Google's upcoming Nexus 7 tablet. Amazon's next-generation Kindle Fire will be another new addition to the tablet arena soon, and as that time nears, more and more details continue to leak.

AllThingsD has managed to get its hands on some new information regarding Amazon's successor to the original Kindle Fire, which was released last November. These changes include the resolution, the display's width-to-height ratio, and the weight.

The new Kindle Fire's resolution will be 1280x800, which is a 67 percent increase in total pixels from the original Fire's 1024x600 pixel resolution. This gives the new display a pixels per inch (PPI) of 216. Also, the pixel density is 29 percent greater in the newest version.

Despite the increase in resolution, the battery life won't take a huge hit. Analysts say it is nowhere near the iPad's jump from 1024x768 to 2048x1536, so the battery life should remain only mildly affected.

The new Kindle Fire will also be thinner and lighter than its predecessor, and will even have a different display width-to-height ratio. The current aspect ratio of the original Kindle Fire is 1.71, which is a tall, Portrait mode display. The upcoming Kindle Fire has an aspect ratio of 1.60.

As previously reported, the new Kindle Fire will have a built-in camera and external volume controls.

Originally, many reports indicated a July release for the new Kindle Fire. However, AllThingsD said that a late Q3 2012 release is more likely.

In other Amazon-related news, the company is set to launch its own smartphone in November. Amazon is working with Foxconn International Holdings Ltd. to make the new device, and it is protecting itself with wireless technology patents that will keep predators like Apple away once it enters the smartphone arena. Amazon could use a smartphone of its own to further push its digital songs, books and movies as well as other Amazon-related services.

Source: All Things D

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Not to be Debbie Downer
By Neodude007 on 7/9/2012 12:38:30 PM , Rating: 3
But this tablet seems fairly irrelevant to people who somewhat know what they are looking for in tablets. You can get all the Amazon stuff on a straight Google tablet such as the pretty amazing sounding 7 inch one coming out for $200 so why would anybody get this which might be all ghetto like the original Fire, running some half baked ancient modded version of Android???

Just sayin.

RE: Not to be Debbie Downer
By Yojimbo on 7/9/2012 12:41:41 PM , Rating: 2
isn't it cheaper?

RE: Not to be Debbie Downer
By Yojimbo on 7/9/2012 12:42:41 PM , Rating: 2
except for maybe that 7 inch one.. isn't it bigger?

RE: Not to be Debbie Downer
By GulWestfale on 7/9/2012 12:50:25 PM , Rating: 3
you don't buy this as a tablet, you buy it as an amazon tablet. the difference being that it is tied into amazon's media offerings, like their music, movie, and bookstores.

of course, you can get all that on a bigger tablet, too; but for amazon customers who want to have seamless user experience, this thing (especially at 200 bucks) is hard to beat.

RE: Not to be Debbie Downer
By quiksilvr on 7/9/2012 2:00:45 PM , Rating: 2
I don't see how this isn't possible to get on the Nexus 7. Amazon Appstore, Amazon Mobile, Amazon MP3, Kindle, it's all there. The only thing I can think of is Amazon Instant Video isn't an app on Google Play; you have to open your browser and go to the flash player for it. This wouldn't be a problem but Adobe is dropping Flash support for 4.1, so you're kinda screwed.

So, in short, get the Kindle Fire if you use Amazon Instant Video alot, otherwise get the Nexus.

RE: Not to be Debbie Downer
By othercents on 7/13/2012 9:03:30 AM , Rating: 2
So, in short, get the Kindle Fire if you use Amazon Instant Video alot, otherwise get the Nexus.

Actually you get a Kindle Fire if you read books a lot. I think the majority of the people who get the Kindle Fire are getting them to read books on a device that also has other Amazon features like music, web, video, apps, etc. These people are also purchasing them as gift for children to allow them to read books and still have some web and games.

The integration with Amazon on the Kindle Fire is much slicker than using a standard Android device. For the majority of the population that isn't technically savy (and don't have an iPad already) this is probably the device for you. For me, my HP Touchpad works nice on Android 4.0.

BTW. Who said the Kindle Fire would be 4.1? I suspect 4.0, but they could stick with 2.3.

RE: Not to be Debbie Downer
By kkwst2 on 7/15/2012 11:17:24 AM , Rating: 2
BTW. Who said the Kindle Fire would be 4.1? I suspect 4.0, but they could stick with 2.3.

Nobody. He was saying that the Nexus on 4.1 might not be able to do Amazon Instant Video. I would spit my coffee if the new Fire is not still based off of 2.x.

RE: Not to be Debbie Downer
By Sazabi19 on 7/9/2012 12:53:03 PM , Rating: 2
the Nexus 7 (Asus made, pure Google Android experience) will be running Android 4.1 (Jellybean) and sells for $200 for the 8 gig and $250 for the 16 gig. It is a 7" display as well with the same resolution as this new Amazon device. If the new Fire is using a forked version of Android I see absolutely no reason to get one over the Nexus 7. It will come out later, cost the same, and have less. The only thing the Nexus 7 is missing that I want is memory expansion (Micro SD), other than that I am looking at them, Tegra 3 inside the little beast? Sure :)

RE: Not to be Debbie Downer
By GulWestfale on 7/9/2012 1:41:23 PM , Rating: 3
there is also no logical, hardware reason to buy an ipad instead of a cheaper, faster, more open android tablet, but people still buy plenty of ipads. it's the user experience, and apple's marketing might that sells them, not what processor is inside. my sister in law recently bought an iphone and had no idea about what screen resolution even is, or how to enable siri (or what it's even for...) all she cared about is that it's easy to use and looks cool.

RE: Not to be Debbie Downer
By Cypherdude1 on 7/9/2012 4:30:47 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, there is a reason to buy an expensive iPad over a (much) cheaper android-based tablet: The iPad has built-in a cellular-based internet connection or 4G. For a professional who needs to be constantly connected while on the road or onsite, an extra $400 is not that much more:

RE: Not to be Debbie Downer
By Spuke on 7/9/2012 5:46:19 PM , Rating: 2
More than that, if you just want a bigger, high resolution screen, get the iPad,

RE: Not to be Debbie Downer
By Neodude007 on 7/9/2012 12:55:35 PM , Rating: 1
From the very little detail provided here (simply a resolution and ratio) I am assuming it will be $200 again and still 7 inches since it is supposed to trick people in to thinking it is an e-reader size so you can carry it.

All I am saying is if there is a Nexus product same size, probably better specs, why the hell would you get one that Amazon had modified?

It might be somewhat of an Apple-ish thing where certain consumers want to turn it on and be looking at a weird bookshelf GUI or something since they can't figure out how to use a normal app shortcut to open the Kindle Oh people crack us all up.

RE: Not to be Debbie Downer
By nafhan on 7/9/2012 2:23:12 PM , Rating: 2
As far as I can tell, we know a possible screen resolution for the new Kindle, and that's it. Anything else is speculation. My speculation is that it will be basically identical to the Nexus 7 in all other respects, too (including updated OS).

That said, I'll pick vanilla Android over the Kindle's OS any day, but many people are not that worried about the differences, and will happily just buy what they see on the frontpage of

RE: Not to be Debbie Downer
By Adam M on 7/9/2012 5:23:34 PM , Rating: 2
If this new Fire doesn't offer full access to Google Play I would be better off with any other tablet because I would still have access to everything Amazon has to offer as well as some of my favorite apps that aren't available in the Amazon store. I don't care what they "improve" on the Fire, it's still a pass.

By TakinYourPoints on 7/9/2012 6:05:38 PM , Rating: 3
Except that stuff doesn't matter. The Kindle Fire is the only tablet outside of the iPad that has sold anything worth talking about, everything else has tanked in comparison.

Total vertical integration is very appealing to tablet users, that is one reason why the Fire has done well. The other reason is that it is on the front page of, huge marketing push.

IMHO the Fire is still not a good product, and this is coming from a HUGE Kindle fanboy. The hardware doesn't feel good, I don't care for the UI, and performance is sluggish. That said, they can certainly improve upon all of these things while keeping the price low as time goes on. The increase in display resolution is one step.

There's no reason they can't dominate the low end while Apple maintains the high end. I don't know where all of the other tablet manufacturers will end up.

By zephyrprime on 7/9/2012 2:35:39 PM , Rating: 2
I predict that it will be a success. Everyone talking about the Nexus 7" are missing the point. It's not about specs. It's about marketing and media content.

RE: success
By lightfoot on 7/9/2012 2:56:01 PM , Rating: 2
Everyone talking about the Nexus 7" are missing the point.

Exactly. The original Kindle Fire proved that this niche exists. Without the original Kindle Fire, the Nexus 7 might not even exist in its current form and at its current price point.

The Kindle Fire is getting a much needed hardware update. Period. This new Fire will be much better positioned to compete with other tablets than the current generation Fire is. That is good news for everybody.

RE: success
By Colin1497 on 7/9/2012 3:13:49 PM , Rating: 2
I predict that you're right. Lots of people can complain about the old forked version of Android, but, guess what -- the Kindle Fire has been one of the most popular Android devices so pretty much any app that doesn't use a feature not supported by it (camera, GPS, etc.) is going to work on it. My guess is that Kindle Fire (1st gen) compatibility will be a target for people for some time.

The interface is fine, just ask my 4 year old who had no problem buying apps the first day we got it. Probably the biggest mistake Amazon made was not having tightly integrated parental controls from day one.

People browse the web, play games, and read on their tablets, and the current Fire does fine with those things. My expectation based on a combination of rumors and basic logic is that Amazon's Fire update will have similar specs to the Nexus, and that they will sell plenty of them. I also wouldn't be surprised to see an updated Amazon interface show up on top of Android 4.0 or 4.1.

RE: success
By frozentundra123456 on 7/9/2012 5:18:55 PM , Rating: 2
I have a 7 inch acer tablet and the more I use it, the more frustrated with it I become. I dont know if the kindle fire has the same problems. You stated (pretty correctly in my mind) 3 things people do with tablets. Maybe the fire is better or maybe I just got a bad acer A100, but here are its problems:

1. Surf the web. It does that, but the wi-fi connectivity sucks and the browser hangs up a lot.

2. Play games. pfffttt..... Depends on what you call games and what you expect I guess. It wont even play bewjewelled blitz on facebook it is so slow. And I just cant get used to the touch interface for games.

3. Reading books: This is the most satisfactory experience I have had on my tablet, and I assume the Fire would be better.

So maybe the Fire is not that much more limited than any other tablet. I guess what I am saying is that I would never buy another tablet. I would get a smartphone and/or a laptop.

RE: success
By ShaolinSoccer on 7/9/2012 6:24:24 PM , Rating: 2
Hopefully companies like Acer and Sony will push Jelly Bean on to their older tablets. That "should" solve a few problems.

RE: success
By frozentundra123456 on 7/9/2012 9:54:05 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe, lets hope so anyway. The tablet did upgrade to ICS. That seemed to help the web browsing not hang up so much, but now it gets confused about what wi-fi network to connect to and sometimes pops up error messages that the page is not available when it has already loaded and is there.

I understand Jelly Bean does not support flash anymore. Do you know why this is, and if there is some other program that is replacing it? I thought supporting flash was supposed to be one of the advantages of Android over iOS.

RE: success
By TakinYourPoints on 7/10/2012 1:10:37 AM , Rating: 2
JB is dropping Flash support because Adobe is throwing in the towel on the mobile runtime. There is little reason for Flash on mobile given that mobile video is so prevalent without it. I have a hard time finding a site that doesn't support non-Flash video. Flash navigation for web pages also started going away way back in 2006. It is bad for touchscreens anyway given that so much of it depends on mouseovers, something that doesn't really work with touchs.

Supporting Flash was a supposed advantage of Android over iOS, but the fact of the matter is that Adobe could never get a runtime working that was better than an HTML5 video player or a native application. Performance and battery drain were always poorer in comparison. In the end they gave up, even though they had a second life on mobile thanks to Android. Adobe just couldn't get it going, which either means that it was an impossible task or that their engineers are incompetent.

In the end it is a feature that doesn't matter now and it continues to matter less going forward. Try running a Flash blocker on your desktop some time, its surprising how little it is actually needed.

RE: success
By zephyrprime on 7/12/2012 2:36:40 PM , Rating: 2
I'm guessing that it's because their engineers are incomepentant. Adobe software has always been very slow and resource intensive. Even on desktop.

RE: success
By TakinYourPoints on 7/10/2012 1:14:40 AM , Rating: 2
Or you can buy a good tablet like the iPad next time. Quality app selection, solid UI, good browser, great screen, the positives are huge compared to the alternatives. Or you can get a laptop. I use my laptop less and less thanks to my tablet, but if my tablet was bad then obviously I'd keep using other devices.

So where are the specs?
By bupkus on 7/9/2012 1:02:03 PM , Rating: 2
The new Kindle Fire's resolution will be 1280x800
That's it? What about the battery? Which processor will be used... which OS version?

RE: So where are the specs?
By EnzoFX on 7/9/2012 1:24:00 PM , Rating: 2
The article clearly states that only the res was leaked.

RE: So where are the specs?
By bupkus on 7/9/2012 1:24:17 PM , Rating: 2
My bad.

Amazon's New Kindle Fire Display <new line>
Specs Leak

RE: So where are the specs?
By bupkus on 7/9/2012 1:27:27 PM , Rating: 2
May I recommend the following change?

Amazon's New Kindle Fire <new line>
Display Specs Leaked

RE: So where are the specs?
By arthur449 on 7/9/2012 1:25:31 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps you misread the title of the article.

RE: So where are the specs?
By Etsp on 7/9/2012 4:59:32 PM , Rating: 2
I'm more concerned about this part:
This gives the new display a pixels per inch (PPI) of 216.
This would indicate that we know what the size of the new screen is going to be. I didn't see that in the article at all. I did see that it was going to go to a 16:10 aspect ratio, but is it still going to be a 7-inch tablet?

Jeff Bezos is missing the boat.
By Geraldo8022 on 7/10/2012 12:14:11 PM , Rating: 2
Google will use the 7 to ultimately sell advertising. sells...everything else. I feel like Amazon should have a better tablet just to do that very thing. Amazon started selling books, so they do that well. Say what you want about reading your books on your laptop, only the Kindle can give you the option of hearing the book. Now Amazon and its affiliates sell most everything. A well integrated tablet would be a boon to Amazon's business. Think if they put in a Wolfson DAC, microSD slot, JellyBean, 2GB RAM. They would sew up the music hobbyists and sell more MP3. Make a better screen and do the same with movies.
Amazon has a number of low end, like the Touch. They need a real high end. Kindle Fire isn't it.

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