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Kindle Fire HD 7"
Kindle Fire HD features 8.9" IPS display with 1920x1200 resolution

As the only company that has released a tablet that has managed to take a dent out of Apple's iPad sales (the Kindle Fire accounts for 22% of U.S. tablet sales), many people are looking forward to seeing what Amazon's next generation Kindle Fire has in store. The first generation Kindle Fire made a splash with a $199 price point and 7" form-factor, but Amazon is looking to expand the lineup’s appeal with second generation the devices.
 
The first up is a refreshed 7" model. It keeps the same look as the original, but includes a faster processor and twice the RAM. In addition, the price has been slashed from $199 to $159. It's hard to argue with faster performance and a cheaper price tag.
 
But the big announcement is the Kindle Fire HD. This new tablet is available with a 7" (1280x800) or 8.9" IPS display (1920x1200). The 8.9" Kindle Fire HD is only 8.8mm thick and weighs just 1.25 pounds. Powering the Kindle Fire HD is a Texas Instruments OMAP 4470 processor.
 
Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos even took at a dig at the Apple iPad by announcing that the Kindle Fire HD comes with dual stereo speakers that feature Dolby Digital Plus technology. The Kindle Fire HD also includes dual Wi-Fi antennas an MIMO compared to a single Wi-Fi antenna on the iPad and Nexus 7. Bezos says this allows its Kindle Fire HD tablets to outperform all competitors in Wi-Fi bandwidth tests.

Kindle Fire HD 8.9" showing "FreeTime"

Another interesting feature that Amazon is introducing with the Kindle Fire HD is FreeTime. FreeTime allows a parents to setup profiles on the device so that children will only have access to "kid-friendly" content while the grownups can still have access to entire spectrum of content. The profiles will also allow parents to limit how much time their child plays on the device.
 
The Kindle Fire HD will be available with 16GB of storage capacity and also includes HDMI out and Bluetooth. The 7" model will be priced at $199 (ships September 14) while the 8.9" model rings in at $299 (ships November 20).

Amazon also announced one additional member to the Kindle Fire HD family. The  Kindle Fire HD LTE 4G model is priced at $499, includes 32GB of storage, and comes with an amazing data package. For just $49.99/year, you get 250MB of bandwidth per month, 20GB of cloud storage space, and a $10 in Appstore credit. Can you say game changer?

The Kindle Fire HD LTE 4G will ship on November 20.
 
For those that prefer Amazon's more traditional line of e-readers, the company also today announced the Kindle Paperwhite. The Kindle Paperwhite features a higher resolution screen with 212 ppi (62 percent more pixels than previous model) that offers whiter whites and blacker blacks.


Kindle Paperwhite
 
The capacitive touch screen device is 9.1mm thick, weighs just 7.5 ounces, and had an 8-week battery life. It costs $119 and will ship on October 1. The Kindle Paperwhite 3G will also ship on October 1 for $179.
 
Even further done the e-reader ladder is the standard "Kindle". Amazon has updated the Kindle to include new fonts and crisper text, and has dropped the price from $79 to $69. It will ship on September 14.

Source: Amazon



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Guess this confirms
By BSMonitor on 9/6/2012 3:00:10 PM , Rating: 2
new Ipad and Iphone next week.. be interesting for sure




RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 3:16:37 PM , Rating: 5
Not really... Apple will sell a ton of each of those to their loyal fans, and the rest of us that know better will get better products for cheaper prices.


RE: Guess this confirms
By Spuke on 9/6/2012 3:26:19 PM , Rating: 4
The new iPad was already released.


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 3:28:37 PM , Rating: 5
I think he is referring to the rumored ipad mini that will undoubtedly be a 7 inch 1024x768 model and cost more than this while giving less. You know, Apple products.


RE: Guess this confirms
By Natch on 9/7/2012 9:37:51 AM , Rating: 2
Ah, but is the new Kindle Fire HD built with magic, derived from crushed unicorn horns and pixie dust? Huh? Is it?? Noooooooo!! ;-)


RE: Guess this confirms
By spamreader1 on 9/7/2012 9:59:29 AM , Rating: 4
Unicorn horns really come from norwal wales, everyone knows this.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 4:17:43 PM , Rating: 3
Faster hardware with more apps sounds like the better product to me. The Fire certainly is cheaper though, great for someone that doesn't need that much!


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 4:32:22 PM , Rating: 5
Like I said "the rest of us that know better will get better products for cheaper prices"


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/12, Rating: -1
RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 4:42:25 PM , Rating: 5
That is why I said " the rest of us that know better will get better products for cheaper prices"


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 5:03:07 PM , Rating: 2
Its all about what price fits your budget. I've always spent more if the experience meant more.

Your argument is in line with someone with a Core 2/Radeon HD 4850 gaming PC saying that an i5/GTX 670 isn't worth it. Meh.

Pay more, get more, its pretty simple.


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 5:09:01 PM , Rating: 3
OK, you go pay $399 for an iPad2, I'll take the higher res 7 inch FireHD with a better higher res screen for 1/2 the price.

I spend more if the experience matches as well. There just isnt anything Apple has to offer that makes an inferior product superior... And that is IF the price was the same, and its not.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/12, Rating: 0
RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 5:27:00 PM , Rating: 5
"I totally agree that the iPad 2 is made moot by the new Fire. The iPad 3 is where you get all the benefits of hardware and the software ecosystem"

??? The 3 is just a 2 with higher res screen (and faster GPU to push the pixels). If the $400 ipad 2 is moot, how is the $500 higher res screen giving "the benefits of the ecosystem"

I think you have to try and pry off the Apple colored goggles and look at real performance and price. The "Apple is better because its Apple" argument just doesnt cut it.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 5:48:55 PM , Rating: 2
High-DPI displays are everything in a smartphone or tablet. It is a necessity for something you are holding only a foot away from your eyes.

Real performance is still there (the 2011 A5 was better than the Tegra 3 that is still common in Android tablets today) and applications are definitely there. The main differentiator is price. If you're not getting that amazing 2048x1536 display (and it is a HUGE reason for many people to buy it) and apps don't really matter, then it makes sense to me to drop down significantly to the new Fire. It slots in there perfectly.

I had a very hard time recommending the old Fire (despite the benefits of its vertical integration) because the hardware was trash. The new one fixes the hardware issues. Samsung/Asus/Acer tablets are pretty much hosed, there is no way they can keep up on price with comparable specs. I liked the Nexus 7 but I see no reason to recommend it now.


RE: Guess this confirms
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2012 5:50:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I had a very hard time recommending the old Fire (despite the benefits of its vertical integration) because the hardware was trash.


Hyperbole ftw.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/7/2012 5:07:28 AM , Rating: 2
Even by late 2011 standards the Kindle Fire hardware was slow, slow enough where there was significantly choppier UI/application chop and much slower browser performance compared to other tablets.

That said, it far and away the cheapest tablet out there, the first to nail $200.

Now the specs are much better, and it is partly possible because there are going to be ads displayed on the device. That combined with a willingness to make almost no money on the device allows for much better specs at a lower price than other OEMs in the same range.

I'm surprised that the Fire only being sold with ads isn't being discussed. That detail kind of flew under the radar. It makes great sense for Amazon. The Fire lock screen is basically a targeted billboard for Amazon that you carry around with you, pretty genius.


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 5:57:30 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, high res screens are awesome and I love Apple for ushering in the new Era of higher res... But at some poinmt, enough is enough. an 8.9 inch 1920x200 is reduclously high. I have the same res in my 24 inch LCD at home. In no way is the iPad's 9.7 inch 2048x1536 better. Both are insanely high.


RE: Guess this confirms
By EnzoFX on 9/7/2012 3:38:32 AM , Rating: 2
Your entire argument is silly. No one can deny the benefits of the Apple ecosystem, yet you and other people with spec-driven goggles do. Even though Apple's specs are still holding well. Furthermore, it isn't much to say that something NEW is potentially better than something OLD (even on the merit of just specs, which is again, silly). This is tech, this is competition. It isn't even out yet lol.

Trolls will troll with their ignorant Apple hatred though, they just don't get it. And no I'm not saying Apple stuff is the best, that's strictly subjective, I'm saying you gotta be pretty stupid, or choose to be ignorant to not see what it has going for it, what it's had going for it, and why even Apple is very aggressive in their Tablet entries.


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/7/2012 10:03:29 AM , Rating: 3
"Your entire argument is silly. No one can deny the benefits of the Apple ecosystem"

It's more about what the Apple ecosystem gives you over the Android ecosystem and is it worth the extra $$$. No, not to me, not even close. If on a 10 scale the Apple app store/ecosystem is a 9, then Androids is a 6 or 7. It's not like a 10-0 split there.

Look at it this way. There isn't anything you can do with an iPad/ that you cant do with an Android tablet. Most AAA apps are on both platforms and there are comparable apps that do anything on both platforms. For the price of 1 iPad, you can get a Kindle fire 8.9 inch 1920x1200 and a 7 inch 1280x800 - both of which can accomplish the exact same goals as the iPad. Most people use tablets for internet, email, and whatever apps they need. If you consider that "ignorant apple hatred" then so be it. For what its worth, I do see what Apple has going for it, and what it's had going for it . My whole point here is that advantage is gone.


RE: Guess this confirms
By EnzoFX on 9/8/2012 1:37:22 AM , Rating: 2
No, you still don't get it. It is not equal on both sides just being able to say an app is on both platforms. If you think about, Apple has never really been the company where you can do something on their products and not on others. Their model has always been, HOW you do things.

In regards to an app being on both, there's still significantly more support on iOS ecosystem than there is on Android. Then just think about how buggy apps can be on Android, I feel for them though because they have to cater to so many different specs, nevertheless this is a big deal and is easily noticeable.


RE: Guess this confirms
By mcnabney on 9/7/2012 10:44:58 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, the iPad 3 display is probably too high of a res.

1920x1200 is probably the ideal resolution for ~10" tablets since the typical viewing distance is just outside of the pixel discernment range. Additional pixels beyond the ability to see them are wasted and only require a more powerful GPU and lower battery life.


RE: Guess this confirms
By jimbojimbo on 9/7/2012 12:44:09 PM , Rating: 2
Before the new iPad resolution meant nothing in a tablet, meaning iPad2 had the worst pixel density of any 10" tablet. After the new iPad comes out resolution is the most important thing in the world.
Nobody can see the flaw in this type of reasoning?


RE: Guess this confirms
By schmandel on 9/7/2012 5:23:26 PM , Rating: 3
In the marketplace of ideas there are those forever destined to read stickers and pay retail.


RE: Guess this confirms
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2012 4:53:49 PM , Rating: 2
Takin why don't you just come out and say you are threatened by anything that competes with Apple? Because your entire demeanor screams this.

"Whaaaa, how dare these people want a Kindle! Don't they know the iPad is teh bestest thing evar!? I must troll them."


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 4:57:15 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not threatened at all! I think its a good product that is priced accordingly.

Hell, I ordered a Kindle Paperwhite the millisecond it went on sale, love Amazon's products. I've had Kindles since the first gen wayyyy back in 2007, way before the rest of you poseurs. ;)


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 5:05:45 PM , Rating: 2
LOL... True.

I am not passive aggressive or anything, I just need to point out that Apple is better. These tablets are good for being cheaper

Anyhow, I just dont get the whole $500 tablet thing. I am a gadget whore with cash to burn and I would still never pay $500 for any tablet. Not iPad, nor Asus Transformer or any other tablet. Just not worth it, not even close. That is why I like these $200 dealies, or maybe even the 8.9 inch 1920x1200 for $300 at the high end. My post above was referring to what is presumed to be teh iPad mini, which is expected to be an iPad 2 specwise on a 7 inch 1024x768 screen. I am guessing it will be $299, of course that remains to be seen. Even if its $250 it doesnt compare to either of these. Even the 7 inch HD is a better deal, even though Apple's 900,000 apps is more than Android's 800,000 LOL. How relevant.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 5:22:44 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, and the price will make this a hit. Before the Fire was announced I said that Amazon would be the only company outside of Apple that would nail a tablet, and it would partly be due to taking more control over the experience and integrating a store (Xoom fanboys were MAAAAAD at me, haha). I was right.

quote:
even though Apple's 900,000 apps is more than Android's 800,000LOL. How relevant.


This is where I don't agree. There is a big difference between rescaling phone apps or having universal apps that aren't optimized for a 7"+ screen, and ones that are optimized specifically for a tablet.

The majority of Android tablet apps are still halfass, it is an issue for the platform when the iPad equivalent from the same company is miles better than the Android version. This is before we get to there being more high end developers, etc. Of course, a larger market hooked into Amazon's closed market (important to protect developer profits) means more development resources, so the Fire will probably lead to better Android tablet apps. Big win for users!


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 5:30:47 PM , Rating: 2
We have had this discussion before. I get that to you, the small benefit of Apple app store is a big deal, but to most it isnt. You can do all the same things on and Android phone as an iPhone and all the same things on an Android tablet and an iPad. Most AAA titles are available on both. Apple just doesnt have anything that justifies the price premium. To be fair, the $500 android tablets from Asus and a few others arent worth it either.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 5:58:19 PM , Rating: 2
The difference in Android phone and Android tablet app libraries are big. You can get away with a lot more on an Android phone than you can with a tablet, and part of it because it hasn't been worth it for developers to sink time into Android tablets due to low sales. Even with superior overall sales numbers to the iPhone, Android has remained the #2 target development platform.

This is why a popular Android tablet with a closed app market is so important for its users. This will result in significantly better applications than are currently available on the platform.

I was right about generic Android tablets failing (again, MAD Xoom fanboys), I was right about Amazon being the first to nail Android tablets due to customer-focused vertical integration (like Apple), and I know I'm right about the Fire leading to good Android tablet apps (finally). See how Android tablet app quality will have improved by this time next year, it'll be way better than it is now.


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 6:07:39 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with you there... It was pretty clear the fire would change things at $200. But it was still fairly cruddy spec-wise. Today's release gives us a decent spec'd $200 unit. At 7 inches 1280x800 is pretty good, especially for the price. I have had 14 inch laptops with the same res.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 7:34:10 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I think its great. The only real catch that some people may have issue with is that all of the Fire models now have ads on the lock screen.

I personally have no issue with this as long as it is the same as it has been with the Kindle reader. They are unobtrusive and don't interfere with the main content. Plus there are actual good deals on it! This is one more way Amazon can sell hardware for no profit.


RE: Guess this confirms
By jimbojimbo on 9/7/2012 12:28:49 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I don't mind ads on the lock screen either. I'd rather have that than ads that pop up constantly or waste screen space constantly sitting somewhere.


RE: Guess this confirms
By tayb on 9/6/2012 6:22:45 PM , Rating: 1
Because he doesn't mindlessly bash Apple like the rest of you circle jerkers he must be a loyal Apple fanboy without logic. Some people can make objective decisions and don't make their buying purchases based on idiotic pre-conceived notions about products, product users, or company logos. It is not up for debate whether the Kindle Fire is a great deal but you should really take a look at who fired the first "shot" here.


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 6:43:48 PM , Rating: 2
IF you are referrign to my first "shot" above, saying "Apple will sell a ton of each of those to their loyal fans, and the rest of us that know better will get better products for cheaper prices"

That is absolutely 100% true to anyone that looks at it objectively. Compare the $399 iPad2 to the $299 FireHD. Compare the $199 fire HD to what will likely be a 1024x768 ipad mini at $249 - $299.

For anyone to look at those products and say Apple has any benefit over its cheaper competition would be like saying this $10 bill is worth more than that $20 bill.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 7:39:52 PM , Rating: 2
Your argument holds water if you ignore the iPad 3. The iPad 2 is obviously not competitive now, but if you have a higher budget then the choice is simple.

The benefits at a higher price (better hardware and software) are obvious, but it is also perfectly valid if you want to spend less. It all depends on your budget in the end. It seems unreasonable to rule either option out given that they are both appropriate at their respective price ranges.

Your reasoning is similar to people who only supported netbooks and called anything more expensive a waste of money. Of course it isn't.


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/7/2012 7:45:27 AM , Rating: 2
I am not seeing a benefit of a $499 ipad 3 over the $299 Fire HD. Both plenty fast, both have insanely great res screens. One is clearly priced way better, thus the assertion, those that know better get better products for cheaper.


RE: Guess this confirms
By EnzoFX on 9/7/2012 3:44:39 AM , Rating: 2
You just can't fight this level of ignorance with people with blind hatred.


RE: Guess this confirms
By EnzoFX on 9/7/2012 3:41:19 AM , Rating: 2
and yours screams of ignorance. It amazes me how people can't see the pros and cons of Apple products. All they can see is cons, and they spew their bs. Grow up and recognize the pros and cons of any product, be it Apple or any other.


RE: Guess this confirms
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/8/2012 11:24:31 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
All they can see is cons, and they spew their bs.
Sounds just like Tony for Apple....


RE: Guess this confirms
By nafhan on 9/6/2012 8:54:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Faster hardware with more apps sounds like the better product to me.
You talking about the Nexus 7?

Anyway... better is pretty subjective, and some people include price in that determination.


RE: Guess this confirms
By jimbojimbo on 9/7/2012 12:24:38 PM , Rating: 2
Why are people obsessed with the number of apps? The thing that should matter is the number of apps you would use! IOS doesn't even have some of the apps I want unless you jailbreak it so it's a dealbreaker for me.
Unless your intention is to install everything from the market the total number of apps is irrelevant. Well, unless you're stupid.


RE: Guess this confirms
By Tony Swash on 9/7/12, Rating: -1
RE: Guess this confirms
By xti on 9/7/2012 9:31:21 AM , Rating: 2
none of these mean anything until someone trumps the apple app store.


RE: Guess this confirms
By tayb on 9/6/2012 3:33:21 PM , Rating: 2
I doubt there will be a new iPad next week but you never know. So far they've done the tablet announcements exclusively in the spring. I'm looking forward to that as well. A 7" iPad would be a big deal as well. I've owned iPads for a few years simply because I thought they were the best tablets for the money (I buy used) but I was underwhelmed with the iPad 3. The 8.9" Fire HD looks pretty awesome.


RE: Guess this confirms
By aliasfox on 9/6/2012 3:37:44 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe not next week, but most people believe Apple will release their smaller iPad in time for the holiday season.

It was also highly rumored that Apple wanted to release the iPad HD with Sharp's IGZO screen, which is now available. Whether or not Apple will do another 'interim' update to incorporate the new screen (and smaller/lighter battery) is probably the bigger question.


RE: Guess this confirms
By Tony Swash on 9/7/2012 2:01:51 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Maybe not next week, but most people believe Apple will release their smaller iPad in time for the holiday season.


The consensus is now for two events, the second to follow both the iPhone 5 launch and then the subsequent publicity wave around it's actual availability, so early October looks good.

There are rumors of a 'refresh' for the retina iPad and then a possibly delayed date for the next generation iPad past the previous spring launch date window in 2013. It makes sense, Apple pushed the date of the iPhone launch from mid-summer to a more logical fall time frame in order to prep a holiday season sales push. Moving the iPad launch dates to the fall would make equal sense.


RE: Guess this confirms
By DJ Brandon on 9/7/2012 2:09:54 AM , Rating: 2
iPhone hell ya! I doubt they will release a 7". If they do Steve jobs will be rolling in his grave as he hates those! Plus I will be the idiot that will have to buy it even though I have a regular one =( Fail


Kindle Fire HD LTE
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/6/2012 3:04:55 PM , Rating: 2
$499 for the 32GB LTE model is the real kicker for me.

$49/year for data service? Sign me up!




RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By tayb on 9/6/2012 3:12:28 PM , Rating: 2
For real. $49/year for data? GTFO. My fiance was on a trip this summer and I paid Verizon $35 to sign up and $30/month for 2GB of data of which she barely used 500MB. $50/year is crazy and the tablet itself looks pretty awesome. Wow!


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By Mystickal on 9/6/2012 3:18:32 PM , Rating: 3
I don't know - 250mb/month is not a lot of bandwidth. If you download 1 full resolution HD movie you're going to blow through that cap within the first 10-20 minutes


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 3:20:40 PM , Rating: 2
True, but if you are downloading full HD movies on cellular broadband you are going to kill almost any data plan. Do that on Wifi. Most people use a very tiny bit of thier 2gb plans. 250mb a month for $49 a year is a great price.


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By mcnabney on 9/7/2012 10:56:44 AM , Rating: 2
It depends on whose LTE you are getting.

AT&T has a much much smaller LTE footprint than Verizon.

If it is Sprint - forget about it. Sprint has about a dozen small markets with LTE. And they don't even do those markets well. In Sprint's home city of Kansas City, they only cover half of the metro area (city+suburbs, I'm not counting rural areas).


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By tayb on 9/6/2012 3:24:32 PM , Rating: 2
250MB is not much but it is enough to get from hot-spot to hot-spot. Most places have free wifi, you just have to use it!


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By lightfoot on 9/6/2012 3:26:44 PM , Rating: 2
But you're only paying $4.17 per month!

If you MUST download full HD movies, try to find a WiFi signal.

Otherwise 250 MB is plenty for emails and basic web surfing.


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By kleinma on 9/6/2012 3:59:04 PM , Rating: 2
Is there actually any mention of who's 4G LTE coverage this thing is going to work on? That makes a pretty big difference depending on where you live, and it would also be interesting to know if it is backwards compatible to older cell data tech like 3g when 4g is not available, which is still that case in many areas.


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By lightfoot on 9/6/2012 4:26:21 PM , Rating: 2
If I remember correctly Amazon's Whispernet uses Sprint's network in the U.S. I would assume the data for this is through the same network.

According to Amazon.com:
quote:
Unlike some 4G devices, Kindle Fire HD includes support for 10 bands, so even when you're in a place with no 4G LTE network you'll fall back to the fastest available network and won't lose coverage.


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By nafhan on 9/6/2012 8:59:19 PM , Rating: 2
Another factor in support of Sprint being the provider is that Sprint just opened it's network to MVNO's (announced within the past week I think). Essentially, Amazon's an MVNO, at this point, too.


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 4:40:22 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, more subscription options would be good. 250MB a month really isn't very much, but then again $50 a year is an insanely good price. Maybe another price tier to bring it up to 1GB a month, then we're talking.


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 6:02:14 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, if you're just using it for email and light browsing, maybe download a couple books, it is awesome. Obviously it isn't good for streaming content, but whatever, $50 a year has to have a downside. The price is amazing.

On that note, cell carriers should start offering lower data plans. I use about 1.5GB a month, but not everyone needs that.


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By nafhan on 9/6/2012 9:18:29 PM , Rating: 2
We did the 150MB a month plan on Verizon (when they offered it), and it was adequate. Email is fine. Maps are fine. Most surfing is fine (especially if there's no Flash). Obviously avoid streaming anything and large downloads, but you also need to avoid picture heavy websites (i.e. no icanhascheezeburger, flickr, etc.). It's very doable and not that big of a problem - especially if you've normally got wifi at your destinations.

Also, the way Amazon has their music stuff set up helps minimize the need for streaming music, at least if your music is in Amazon's cloud.

Carriers have started offering lower data plans, by the way. I can now get 1GB of shared data on Verizon instead 2GB + 2GB. The downside is that it's the same price... :(


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 3:15:07 PM , Rating: 3
"$499 for the 32GB LTE model is the real kicker for me."

The 7 inch 1920x1200 IPS screen for $199 gives me wood. That is an amazing deal.


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By tayb on 9/6/2012 3:17:32 PM , Rating: 2
Does the 7" model actually have that resolution? It doesn't sound like it does but the wording isn't conclusive.


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 3:27:01 PM , Rating: 2
" This new tablet is available with a 7" or 8.9" IPS display (1920x1200)"

Sounds pretty straight to me. Other sites are saying the same thing... Unless Amazon has been really tricky with the announcement, but I doubt that, even the 7 inch is called "HD"


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By tayb on 9/6/2012 3:41:24 PM , Rating: 2
Most sites are mum on the resolution of the 7". The DPI numbers Amazon touted were for the 8.9" model. That same 1920x1200 screen on a 7" would provide a significantly higher DPI, approximately 323. That is crazy high and seems like something that Amazon would have mentioned.


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 4:03:34 PM , Rating: 3
Doh... Bubble burst.

So, the The 8.9 inch 1920x1200 IPS screen for $299 gives me wood. It's just not quite as good of a deal, and not quite as woody. LOL

Still pretty good though.


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By EnzoFX on 9/6/2012 3:42:29 PM , Rating: 2
Actually I can read that another way. The 8.9 is 1920x1200 because it doesn't say they both do, it only has the parentheses after the 8.9, as opposed to both, or explicitly saying on both. =P Just saying it can be read this way, though I don't think it'd be the best way to state it.

As far as both being HD, we all know marketing has created "HD" as well as "Full HD", and while Amazon is not really differentiating, the 7" could very well be 1280x800ish and still be HD, no? 720P is technically HD too.


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/6/2012 3:44:12 PM , Rating: 2
The 7" HD is 1280x800. Amazon didn't make this clear during the presentation. However, it's confirmed in the PR:

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060...


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By theapparition on 9/6/2012 7:01:11 PM , Rating: 2
Not for me.

Yes, the hardware and data plan sound nice, but now couple that with a hacked version of Android and only access to Amazon's market.

Now, I'll change my opinion if you can install CM10 (or other JellyBean ROM) and still get that data access. That would be a winner.


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2012 7:20:40 PM , Rating: 2
lol if you could do that, what would be in it for Amazon to offer a tablet at-cost?


RE: Kindle Fire HD LTE
By theapparition on 9/7/2012 11:47:25 AM , Rating: 2
Ok then, but why also do I want a limited tablet that only has access to it's closed ecosystem?

Apple already offers that and I'm not interested in them for almost the same reasons. Actually, it's slightly worse. I can at least install the Nook reader app on the iPad and read those purchases. Can't do that on a stock Kindle.

I already have a modded Kindle Fire for one of the kids, and a modded Nook Color for another. Have a Nexus 7, iPad3 and Transformer Prime and Infinity. I think the hardware is great, the price is great and the data access is great. But unless its fully functional and not a hacked, locked in mess, then no thanks from me.


Die, iPad, Die
By inperfectdarkness on 9/6/2012 2:45:35 PM , Rating: 5
that is all.




RE: Die, iPad, Die
By Mint on 9/6/2012 3:32:08 PM , Rating: 2
I'm trying to figure out when to short AAPL.

There may be a bump in the stock price after the iPhone5 announcement or after the initial sales spike, but maybe not. One thing's for sure: The Fire HD is going to put negative pressure on Apple's obscene margins. They won't die, but they'll come back down to earth.

Amazon should also offer more comparable 4G pricing to emphasize the value, e.g. free with 2-year $30/mo contract.


RE: Die, iPad, Die
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 4:33:59 PM , Rating: 2
Amazon is in a very different business than other tech companies out there.

Amazon is ostensibly a tech company, but they are much more in line with a retailer like Walmart. Like retailers and unlike techs, they have razor thin margins and sell loss leaders as a matter of course. Their concern is more on sales volume and hooking in customers at any cost. Amazon is giving away or losing money on Kindle hardware to make pennies on media (music, movies, apps) and advertising.

Nobody really makes money on media sales. This is to hook more people into the Amazon ecosystem.

It is the opposite approach of companies like Apple, Microsoft, IBM, and numerous OEMs, where the product itself is where they make their money.

Amazon's stock price is a reflection on this disconnect on how they are perceived. Apple, Microsoft, and IBM are very reasonably priced with multiples of about 15. Google is priced a bit higher at 20. Amazon is priced in the stratosphere at over 300, insanity.

Amazon is perceived as a tech company while their business model is actually that of a big box retailer, hence its crazy price.

As for the impact on other products, this is going to bury the Nexus 7. The original Fire, even with its worst-in-class hardware, still sold better than every other Android tablet by a significant margin. This was partly due to Amazon's vertically integrated customer-oriented approach (same reason the iPad is such a success, other companies should take note). The faster Fire at this new price is going to put it over the top in the non-iPad arena, thing is gonna sell like crazy.


RE: Die, iPad, Die
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2012 4:50:59 PM , Rating: 2
Takin, honestly, just stop.

You're claiming Amazons stock price is based on some sort of mystical "perception" that only you realize, yet somehow all the experts in the Stock Market don't get, thus leading to it's "crazy price".

Right, okay. I think we see who's crazy here.

quote:
Amazon is perceived as a tech company while their business model is actually that of a big box retailer, hence its crazy price.


Don't they produce E-readers and tablets? Why are they less of a "tech company" than Apple? Amazon is a tech company that also does retail, give it up.


RE: Die, iPad, Die
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 5:11:20 PM , Rating: 2
I said that their business model is in line with a big box retailer, not a tech, which it is. Learn to read.

Unlike every other tech out there, Amazon sells loss leaders with the intent to hook more customers in. This is how retailers do business, and it is also why they can undercut every single OEM out there with the Fire price. Do you think that Asus/Acer/Samsung can compete on this price? No, they cannot.

And the stock price isn't based on a mystical perception, this is common knowledge! A company that large is overpriced because investors are treating it like a tech while their business model is that of a retailer, hence the massive disconnect with their price multiple. Lord knows when investors are expecting revenue to catch up with expectations. If Microsoft, Apple, or IBM had the same price multiple as Amazon then they'd be worth TRILLIONS each.

Or if you brought Amazon's price in line with those techs, its price would go all the way from 251 to 12.55.

I dunno, you tell me which companies are overpriced here.


RE: Die, iPad, Die
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2012 5:34:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I dunno, you tell me which companies are overpriced here.


Apple of course.


RE: Die, iPad, Die
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 5:40:08 PM , Rating: 2
Good to see you're basing that statement on hard metrics and facts rather than emotion!


RE: Die, iPad, Die
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2012 5:47:27 PM , Rating: 2
Right back at ya bud :D


RE: Die, iPad, Die
By corduroygt on 9/6/2012 5:29:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You're claiming Amazons stock price is based on some sort of mystical "perception" that only you realize, yet somehow all the experts in the Stock Market don't get, thus leading to it's "crazy price".

Free market only works when people are rational. Human beings are not. What happened to all the "experts" in the stock market in 2008?


RE: Die, iPad, Die
By TakinYourPoints on 9/7/2012 10:10:21 PM , Rating: 2
AMZN is at a scary place right now, especially since it just hit all-time highs.

Current price multiple is at a loony 316. Amazon has great potential to profit in the future but the company seems completely uninterested in profiting this year or next year. They only care about revenue and gaining market share. There is a serious ceiling on their stock price until they show that they're ready to bring their PE back down to earth, either that or investors will finally do it for them by selling.

Amazon's nearest competitor is Walmart. Walmart stock doesn't rise or fall very much, and neither will Amazon's. Again, unless Amazon makes a fundamental change to their business model, and they won't because they are a retailer, they will eventually be seen as a retail stock instead of a tech stock.


RE: Die, iPad, Die
By Mint on 9/7/2012 4:45:48 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know what this has to do with my post.

I'm not saying Amazon is going to make a bundle. I'm saying that AAPL is going to soon find that it can no longer sell iPads at >50% margins, because they don't have any unique technology.

The last major fabless tech company to have huge margins, IIRC, was NVidia. Once ATI released the HD 4000 series, NVidia's margins plummeted back down to reasonable levels. That's what's going to happen to Apple in the coming years.

The Fire HD is just one part of it. Clovertrail tablets will unquestionably also put negative price pressure on the iPad within a year, as manufacturers have built <$300 Atom PCs for a couple years (add screen costs, subtract keyboard costs, and it'll be a wash). With phones, Nokia has the best camera (plus WP8 is looking great), Samsung has the best screen plus they're innovating like mad with stylus integration, apps have virtually caught up on Android, etc. Apple will have a hard time selling such high volumes at a premium. They won't die, of course, but their margins are going down.


RE: Die, iPad, Die
By TakinYourPoints on 9/7/2012 10:18:34 PM , Rating: 2
I think we're years away from potential of the scenario you describe happening. iPad sales will cross 100 million by the end of the year, easy. The iPhone will be the highest selling phone going through the holidays.

Don't fight the trend, not until serious signs of a reversal show. Apple stores are more packed than ever and sales growth for iPhones and iPads have only accelerated. To put things in perspective, the worst selling Apple device, the AppleTV, outsells the XBox 360 and every single non-iPad tablet out there.

The Kindle Fire will do well but it won't be at the expense of the iPad. Both will carve out their own respective niches at their price points as the tablet market continues to expand, much the same way that iPhone sales continued to accelerate even as sales of Android phones also accelerated.

The wild card is an iPad mini at $250, that will take away from Fire sales in a big way given that it is a much more capable device with far more applications and the Apple brand.

The only casualties in this situation are RIM, Nokia (unless they can turn it around with the WP8 phones that do look very good), and tablets made by Samsung/Asus/Acer.

It isn't a zero sum game for everyone when the market is ballooning as quickly as it is.


RE: Die, iPad, Die
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/8/2012 11:34:55 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
The wild card is an iPad mini at $250, that will take away from Fire sales in a big way given that it is a much more capable device with far more applications and the Apple brand.
It's not even announced and you already are propping it up. Wow. More capable <even though you know nothing about it yet> and more APPS, because more apps is better! ROFL! Standard AppleiTool bullshit as usual.


Too Compelling
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2012 3:16:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Amazon also announced one additional member to the Kindle Fire HD family. The Kindle Fire HD LTE 4G model is priced at $499, includes 32GB of storage, and comes with an amazing data package. For just $49.99/year, you get 250MB of bandwidth per month, 20GB of cloud storage space, and a $10 in Appstore credit. Can you say game changer?


Honestly, how can you pass this up?

I'm an owner of an original Kindle Fire and while it's been an overall positive experience, the same drawbacks exist with it being wifi only that it shares with other tablets. This is the first tablet that has a reasonable data plan, with much improved Wifi throughput to boot!

Game changer indeed! I've been torn between a Galaxy tablet for a more open Android experience and the new Kindle, but this announcement pretty much seals the deal. They've addressed literally every issue I've had with the platform and made it even better in the areas it was already great at. They even upgraded the speakers, which I've complained endlessly over their low volume output!

Sure 250mb isn't much. But I cannot tell you how many times I've been in my car or somewhere without Wifi and needed to check my email, use the freaking map to find something, etc etc.




RE: Too Compelling
By haukionkannel on 9/6/2012 3:24:59 PM , Rating: 2
It allso mean that other players have to reduce their prices to stay competative! That is nice! Good competition benefits us customers.


RE: Too Compelling
By Spuke on 9/6/2012 3:31:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Honestly, how can you pass this up?
Seriously, the new Fire's are beyond awesome. Glad I didn't buy a Nexus 7! And I may just get that 8.9 incher too.


RE: Too Compelling
By tayb on 9/6/2012 3:55:10 PM , Rating: 2
It's worth noting that the LTE version is $499 while the non-LTE is $299. For only 250MB of data a month is the extra $200 up front worth it?


RE: Too Compelling
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/6/2012 3:58:29 PM , Rating: 2
Well, you also get 32GB of storage on the LTE model vs 16GB. I'd say well worth it.


RE: Too Compelling
By jimbojimbo on 9/7/2012 12:57:48 PM , Rating: 2
Apple would charge you $100 more for that extra 16GB. It's obscene but people pay for it so they'll keep doing it.


Did I miss the price for the 8.9" device?
By Denigrate on 9/6/2012 2:48:06 PM , Rating: 2
I see prices for everything else mentioned, but not for the new Fire HD.




By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/6/2012 2:52:28 PM , Rating: 2
Kindle Fire HD 7" = $199
Kindle Fire HD 8.9" = $299


By dgingerich on 9/6/2012 3:18:22 PM , Rating: 2
That 8.9" looks like a nice upgrade to my Galaxy Tab 10.1. Sure, it's a smaller screen, but nigher res. the 10.1 is almost too big for reading books, too. 8.9" sounds about perfect. It's even better in the fact that is costs less than half what I paid for my Galaxy Tab.

Of course, Amazon is going to get sued by Apple for this anyway, and these will just be banned.


By Denigrate on 9/6/2012 4:39:41 PM , Rating: 2
I see you added quite a bit of information after I posted.


RE: Did I miss the price for the 8.9" device?
By integr8d on 9/6/2012 2:54:30 PM , Rating: 1
"Did I miss the price for the 8.9" device?"

Yes, you did.


By Spuke on 9/6/2012 3:19:06 PM , Rating: 1
HDMI!! The Nexus 7 looks a little sadder right now.


The tablet craze will soon come to an end.
By 91TTZ on 9/6/2012 3:02:28 PM , Rating: 2
It looks like a lot of very nice tablets are coming out at a very low price. This is great for consumers but bad for companies.

You might wonder why I said that the tablet craze will come to an end. It's because companies continuously look for profitable products. It's not their goal to provide a great product for a great price; their goal is to make as much profit as possible.

Several years ago PCs were all the rage, and companies really went after that market. Some people bought laptops but they were still pretty expensive so they weren't as popular as PCs. Once the price of PCs came down enough to erode profit margins laptops really began to take over. But eventually they, too, came down in price and people were snatching up sub-$400 laptops. Then came the Netbooks. They became all the rage as people claimed that they were the future, and they commanded a high price relative to their manufacturing cost. But their price declined, too, and manufacturers eventually lost interest competing in a market with such low profit margins. Finally came tablets. The iPad really started the trend and people were willing to pay $600 for a tablet that probably costs much less to make. They became popular, everyone started making them, prices came down, and now we have decent tablets for under $200. These new tablets cost so little that the profit margin is tiny. For Amazon they're probably a loss-leader, in fact.

So time goes on, and manufacturers will eventually move onto something else, and they'll try to convince people to move on to the newest product which commands a nice profit margin.




RE: The tablet craze will soon come to an end.
By Rukkian on 9/6/2012 3:19:52 PM , Rating: 2
You are missing one key fact: With the kindle (and ipad, ipod, etc) the manufacturer does not care near as much about the hardware sales. Amazon is making money non-stop from having people buy their digital books, music, games, aps, etc.


By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 4:46:51 PM , Rating: 2
There is no money in media sales. The iTunes store is by far the least profitable part of Apple's business. They make money on hardware.

Amazon is a low margin retailer like Walmart or Target. They have no problem selling no-profit or loss-leader hardware to hook more people into buying low-margin media.

Amazon won't be making much money at all directly from this. It is all about getting more people signed on with Amazon, that's it. If I buy a refill of Swiffers from Amazon as a result of the Kindle, that's where they will be making their money back.

And 91TTZ is right, this will either bury competing tablet manufacturers or force them to cut significant corners in quality to compete on price. Asus/Acer/Samsung are screwed as far as tablets go, the Fire is going to dominate them.


RE: The tablet craze will soon come to an end.
By chris2618 on 9/7/2012 5:44:17 AM , Rating: 2
"There is no money in media sales"

I think the film industry, record industry etc would some what disagree.


By TakinYourPoints on 9/7/2012 10:04:24 PM , Rating: 2
The entities you mention are exactly why companies like Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, etc, that sell media don't make much money selling it. The bulk goes to movie studio, RIAA, developers, etc, before distributors get their cut, and that is split up farther from the cost of actually running a digital distribution service.

iTunes profit is about 10% between selling music, movies, and apps, and I reckon that's a very close profit margin to what everyone else gets since wholesale and service costs are pretty uniform.

No offense, I'm not singling you out, but the lack of critical thinking I consistently see here blows my mind.


1920x1200 on the 7"?
By EnzoFX on 9/6/2012 3:37:59 PM , Rating: 2
This seems too high, and unless I didn't look at their slides that well, I believe it's the media that's inferring this, were Amazon's words this clear? If true, that's prob the highest ppi yet.




RE: 1920x1200 on the 7"?
By Spuke on 9/6/2012 3:44:54 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think that resolution is on the 7". I can't find anything to back that up on other websites.


RE: 1920x1200 on the 7"?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/6/2012 3:45:30 PM , Rating: 2
are your ship dates correct?
By teng029 on 9/6/2012 3:49:00 PM , Rating: 2
i thought all the Kindle Fire 2 models were shipping in november, not september.




RE: are your ship dates correct?
By menting on 9/6/2012 3:51:14 PM , Rating: 2
there is no Kindle Fire 2


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/6/2012 3:53:59 PM , Rating: 2
Kindle Fire HD 7” is available for preorder starting today at www.amazon.com/kindlefirehd7 and will begin shipping on September 14.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060...


Looks Cool
By Ammohunt on 9/6/2012 4:55:15 PM , Rating: 2
Looks cool but correct me where i am wrong but i get amazon lock in rather than apple or google lock-in with less features/capabilities? Seems like a wash if any thing.




RE: Looks Cool
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 7:44:26 PM , Rating: 2
One thing to note is that all Kindle Fires are ad subsidized now. They will display ads and special offers on the lock screen. There is still a choice between ad-subsidized and non-subsidized Kindle readers.

I'm fine with it, I think the ads are not intrusive on the reader, but some may have problems with it on the Fire. Either way, that's one more way they got the price so low.


I bet Google are pleased :p
By Tony Swash on 9/7/2012 9:20:52 AM , Rating: 1
All that effort and cost of building Android.

And now the second largest tablet ecosystem is a forked Android but minus Google services.

It's good when a plan comes together :)




RE: I bet Google are pleased :p
By schmandel on 9/7/2012 5:33:17 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly as it should be, selection and choice.

Now, root it and strip it down some more.


is it really that good of a deal?
By menting on 9/6/2012 3:42:28 PM , Rating: 2
I might be asking to much, but since Amazon is pushing these as a "services" platform, and not a hardware platform, the 250MB a month, even if it's $50 a year, isn't really attractive. If anything, it should be 250MB a month for data that doesn't come from Amazon. Streaming from Amazon VOD, Amazon app downloads, Amazon book downloads, etc, should not count towards that limit.




The real exciting story
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 4:20:42 PM , Rating: 2
Kindle Paperwhite!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007OZNZG0/ref=am...

Already preordered, can't wait.




Thoughts
By aliasfox on 9/6/2012 4:26:29 PM , Rating: 2
If the 7" has the same 1920 x 1200 resolution, that would be pretty impressive - you could get more resolution on a 7" tablet for $159 than you can on a 23" eIPS display for $200...

The 8.9" represents a nice push from Amazon. The iPad2 is roughly comparable in size and performance (probably faster graphics, probably slower processor), but lacks the sharper screen and is currently priced $100 higher. Even if Apple were to drop the price of the iPad2 to $299, on technical merits the 8.9" Fire still manages to do a bit better.

Amazon's subsidizing the cost of LTE with the radio - $200 difference from wifi to LTE? It includes more onboard memory, but that's still a hefty bump - though $200 for 16GB and LTE is a bit less than the $230 Apple charges for 16GB, LTE, and GPS (which people also complain about). That said, $50 for a year's worth of data is pretty sweet compared to the plans the iPad gets. It would be nice if you could roll it over so if you use nothing for 11 months, you'll get 3GB of use in the 12th month.

Looks like the holiday season tablets will be a fight between Apple's iPad mini, iPad2, and (new?) iPad HD and the Kindles... should be interesting.




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