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Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/7/09, Rating: 0
RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/7/2009 7:52:45 PM , Rating: 2
I think both addresses the thermal paste article issue, and your credibility:

http://forums.hardwarelogic.com/f14/33-way-thermal...


RE: Screwball
By Mitch101 on 3/8/2009 12:42:08 PM , Rating: 2
Outsiders view from the information provided through the links provided and gripes and complaints made.

It appears both acquired the idea to create an article on on thermal paste compounds from a forum thread.

From reading both articles

The article on Benchmark reviews has a more depth in testing feel and I certainly feel after reading them that the Benchmark reviews article truly tested each product. It appears they spent a lot of time testing and poured a lot into their research.

The Hardware Logic article feels like an article that was well in the works of testing and research but might have been rushed to be published. I draw my conclusion to this from the multiple spelling mistakes and numerous references to said testing times. I believe that testing certainly was being done and it was an article in the works but it does feel lighter than the Hardware Logic review.

THATS MY OPINION.

I believe both articles were genuinely being created based upon a forum thread and both tested products. But HL might have pushed the article out early after seeing the Benchmark reviews article go live.

I appreciate the work BOTH of you appear to have done.

As for stolen content I don't feel there was and if there was it wasn't enough that I could tell. It only feels like the HL article was rushed at the end. My 2 Cents.


RE: Screwball
By Mitch101 on 3/8/2009 12:43:57 PM , Rating: 2
but it does feel lighter than the Hardware Logic review.

Sorry it should have read

but it does feel lighter than the Benchmark reviews review.

I wont complain about a edit button that was my own Preview/submit mistake.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/8/2009 5:22:06 PM , Rating: 2
Let me also say that the Benchmark Reviews articles has been edited and added to quite a bit since it was originally published......which is a good thing. The HL review has not been updated or edited since it was originally published, as someone else is running the site.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/8/2009 5:09:17 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, the HardwareLogic article was published first, and the Benchmark Reviews article shortly afterward (Or as Screwballl himself said, a few days later). I look at it this way, every day you see articles about the same subject published from different sources....so what? We spent over a month on our article, tested and retested to confirm results.......and I think it served its purpose in helping people. Did those articles come from a forum thread? Thats where most guides and non review articles come from.

The real point here, and the only reason I posted, was to call out a POS troll that has no integrity. This person is saying that the HL article was hijacked from another site......and then goes on to say that because of him and his truthful information, companies no longer work with HL.....

http://forums.hardwarelogic.com/14/hardwarelogic-t...

http://forums.hardwarelogic.com/14/hardwarelogic-t...

http://forums.hardwarelogic.com/14/hardwarelogic-t...

http://forums.hardwarelogic.com/f14/33-way-thermal...

I dont typically deal with stuff like this publicly, but I felt this needed to be addressed. So, the next time any of you see Screwballl post something as fact, or give a recommendation.....stop for a second and consider the source. Would you really want this person giving you or your friends advice?


RE: Screwball
By Screwballl on 3/9/2009 11:59:41 AM , Rating: 1
I can care less about what website and forum modifications you have made and edited my posts to make me look bad. I can do that with my own php forums, just remember the hosting company does keep logs... weeee!!!

I missed one word... big deal, it was supposed to read "...in one case a thermal compound review that was hijacked by another website"... oops I said "from", instead of "by". Relating to this same situation, you supported me standing up for the site as long as it stayed anonymous:

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I asked everyone who did this, and you lied to me and the rest of the staff when you told us it wasnt you (You weren't even smart enough to use an anonymous email address). So right here, I think your credibility is zero....I'm sure we could involve the other site mentioned, and the companies contacted, and they'd happily verify all of this.


At what point did I lie? We spoke of this in Private messages but here it is for all to see publicly (complete with typos and all):

quote:
From : screwballl
To : Capper
Date : 2008-06-04 20:54
Title : Re: Boardroom

[quote=Capper] As to reviews, I explained to you that went hand in hand with the thermal paste issue and the headache that caused me. You denied writing it to me and in the board room, so I told OCZ and others that I had no idea who wrote it, but as long as it was me I didn't care...then I find out you did write it, and that put me and the site in a spot with companies and sister sites. After that letter you wrote to OCZ, its kinda hard for me to put your name on a review after I tell these people you are not a staff member. [/quote]

The original post asked who wrote it... or simply do not reply so it stays anonymous. I chose the latter and did not respond at all because the email was sent and meant to be anonymous. Regardless if it came from me or not, it was sent with personal opinions and not that of HL, and nowhere in that email did I state I was staff or even a member of HL (I still have the email in my Sent box). Thats how it was supposed to have stayed. Only after you asked me in IM did I step forward to you. So you knew and I knew but I was expecting that would remain between us and no one else. Where it went beyond there however was how you chose to handle it.
In the end I know I got nailed for it which is your choice.

From : Capper
To : screwballl
Date : 2008-06-05 14:31
Title : Re: Boardroom
------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------
You aren't in "hot water"....it created some problems for me with OCZ, but I look at it also from the point of yiew you were trying to stand up for the site, which was appreciated....thats the big reason I tried to just let things die and leave everything as is, at least for us on the site.
We'll work on it, and see what happens...i won't let anyone be chased off on the site.....and I do see your point on some of the things brought up


That says it all, I never lied, never publicly admitted to anything and you chose to publicly show that I lied to you, yet there is not a single word that I said admitting that I did/did not do anything.

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You mention having written for HL.....lets say you more contributed to a few articles.


When an entire article was written by me word for word with some editorial and supervisor suggestions, it is still my words, my work. Sometimes my pictures were used, sometimes not but the breadth of the articles were mine, written by me, no one else. There is no other way to take it. Yes I contributed (aka wrote) multiple articles, NOT "contributed to" a few articles.

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As to MPC having "unofficial control over HL".....dude, you're really reaching here. All it takes is a search on HL and you'll come across several thread where I scold people for bringing MPC issues to HL. No one had any influence over HL...


The very fact that Paul is, was and still is a major player with the site, AND his actions regarding anything relating to the site shows a conflict of interest. when one person has his hands in more than one company that are in the same field, there will always be conflicts of interests. In my case it was a personnel issue but there have been other cases when it was the articles, the publicity and PR, or whatever else was done to hold HL down to keep it from directly competing with his paycheck at MaxPC. It is amazing to see the type of blind corruption that becomes very clear after time has passed and see just how bad he used his professional "friendship" with you to hold back what could have been the best review site around.

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...you need to clarify your posts, back it all up with some proof, or apologize immediately....or I might just own your trailer and suburban.


Proof given... now this comment shows exactly the maturity I have dealt with in this situation. (a personal note, my houses always have had foundations, not wheels... oh and I sold the Suburban)


RE: Screwball
By HlTMAN on 3/9/2009 2:52:32 PM , Rating: 2
You're wasting your time Screwballl. HL is now owned by ASE Labs, what ever happened in the past is the past. HL has new management so either drop it or take it up with ASE Labs (http://www.aselabs.com) There is no point spamming DT with your complaints when you can go right to the source. This is not the place for grievances.


RE: Screwball
By Screwballl on 3/9/2009 3:08:02 PM , Rating: 2
Good, hopefully the new management will clear out some of the old staff and hire some people with morals and personal and business ethics...


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/11/2009 12:15:01 AM , Rating: 1
First, I find it comical that you would even try to say that people edited your posts to make you look bad (You're doing a great job on your own). No one edited your posts, no one manipulated anything, except you.

Then you go onto post PART of a messgae between you and I, leaving out a few key points. You plain lied when confronted about the incident ("I was at the Dr all morning with my daughter and was really surprised by all the commotion when I came home"). As I said, only after you were confronted with the evidence did you finally step forward and admit what you did......to me, thats lying.

Funny, you are now trying to say hijacked "BY" in stead of hijacked "FROM", only after you were called on it. Sorry, but the TYPO thing doesnt pass the smell test, as you imply more than once that the article was ripped off from another site.

You have proven nothing, and if you want to rely on the advice of a few shithouse lawyers you are giving you advice here, you've got big problems. I've given you a chance to make this right, and you chose the hard route, now my mission in life is to show EVERYONE what a lying douchebag you really are.

To the people commenting, do a little research, read everything in this thread, then head over to the HL forums and read the thread there.


RE: Screwball
By talikarni on 3/11/2009 9:43:56 AM , Rating: 2
Seems you are more involved with protecting your pride and advertising for the site rather than replying with dignity. Some people just need to vent their opinions and you seem to be a hurt little boy that can't let things drop, which it appears the other person already has (based on last post date).

Oh and I saw the mention about a lawsuit, as a pre-law student, one requirement of proving your case is damages. Unless there are actual damages of any sort (not damaged/hurt feelings) then you would not have a case that would stand in court and the only winners would be the lawyer's pockets (which I myself wouldn't mind as a lawyer but not sure if you would). On your own website you mentioned a case of libel which is no problem, it is proving actual damages which there are none as far as I can tell from the information given. Just some hurt feelings on both sides.

Good luck with whatever direction you both go.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/11/2009 2:52:22 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, first let me ask you this. What would you do if someone, out of the blue, invluded you in their personal attack on someone else? Wouldn't you defend your name and honor, if a person posted lies? (Well, you are studying to be a lawyer, so maybe honor and integrity isn't your thing).
Please dont sit here and tell me you would ignore it.

Second, how am I "advertising" for a site which I don't own and don't contribute too? I've done nothing but link the article at issue, and the supporting evidence.

As to being a hurt little boy that can't let things go, I'm a 40 yr old man, that is addressing an issue (and if you have read through this, you'll see this douche contradict himself time and again).

As to the lawsuit, I'll take the word of an actual lawyer over some kid in pre-law, no offense intended but he's an actual grown up lawyer.

I didn't start this issue, this issue had nothing to do with me originally, I was used by Mike Kaiser as part of his ongoing personal attack against someone else. If I were wrong, I'd have no problem saying I was wrong, and letting it go......but I'm not wrong, and this time the bad person does not get to win.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/11/2009 3:22:19 PM , Rating: 2
Mr. Caporali, you are getting funnier by the minute and furthering the point I mentioned in another post on this page...

Talikarni was simple trying to point out a very serious flaw in your logic. What Screwball[Mike] would have from these very postings is a case for continued harassment.

So lets be blunt. Mr. Caporali, YOU really need to move on and get over it before you find yourself in similar legal troubles that you have threatened Screwball with. Of course that is up to you. I for one, would love to continue watching you put your foot into your mouth...


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/11/2009 3:34:24 PM , Rating: 2
Wait, what? I'm harassing Screwballl by addressing what he posted here? So, what you are saying is that its ok to lie and post whatever you want, but if someone calls you on it, they are harassing you?

Looks like Screwballl has a few sheep of his own.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/11/2009 3:54:01 PM , Rating: 2
The difference, Mr. Caporali, is that Screwball shared his personal opinion based on his personal experiences and was attacked/harassed for it. His responses have been defensive in near every way. You and the others are the aggressors in this. From a legal stand point, YOU are in the wrong. Perhaps you should view some of the other responses to your posts I've made...

And for the record, I have no idea who Screwball is in real life. But if I were one of his friends, I would advise him to explore his legal options. And no small thanks to you, he now has a few that he did not previously... Careful with what you say next Mr. Caporali...


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/11/2009 4:06:34 PM , Rating: 1
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The difference, Mr. Caporali, is that Screwball shared his personal opinion based on his personal experiences and was attacked/harassed for it.

Accusing someone of plagiarism is not an opinion. Saying you influenced companies to stop working with people is not an opinion. Even after changing his story, what was posted was not an opinion. If it were an "opinion", I could have cared less and wouldn't be here defending my reputation.
How is this harassment? I'm not following him around, posting in other comment sections, on any other sites. I'm here, directly responding to accusations made by Screwballl.
How am I in the wrong here. Lets see, This man posts things as fact, not opinion....and only after being called on it he changes his story, claiming it was a typo, and never addressing the facts presented.....but I'm wrong? I've read a few of your posts, and to be honest, you seem like a troll stirring the pot.
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And for the record, I have no idea who Screwball is in real life. But if I were one of his friends, I would advise him to explore his legal options.
Thats your right, you're what wee call a shithouse lawyer in the military. Someone who doesn't knwo, or doesn't bother with the fact egging on someone.
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Careful with what you say next Mr. Caporali...
LOL, or what? I didn't start this issue. If you read from the beginning, this guy threw my name into a rant about someone else, and was called on it.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/11/2009 4:30:51 PM , Rating: 1
Wow.

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could have cared less and wouldn't be here defending my reputation.


And what reputation do you think you are earning here?

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How is this harassment?


That fact that you don't get this is a testament to your irresponsible point of view.

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I've read a few of your posts, and to be honest, you seem like a troll stirring the pot.


Shiny apple on the tree are you? There is nothing wrong with watching, joining in and enjoying the folly and ignorance of junior mentalities such as yours. You all have attacked someone for voicing opinion and his view of the facts. And now that someone has chimed in to call foul on your non-sense, you're setting your sights on me. What a wonderful reputation you are earning yourself here...

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Thats your right, you're what wee call a shithouse lawyer in the military. Someone who doesn't knwo, or doesn't bother with the fact egging on someone.


Again, Wow.

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LOL, or what? I didn't start this issue. If you read from the beginning, this guy threw my name into a rant about someone else, and was called on it.


Clearly, Mr. Caporali, the thought that influential eyes might be watching has escaped you. Care to dig yourself in deeper?


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/11/2009 4:34:55 PM , Rating: 2
Carry on troll.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/11/2009 4:43:25 PM , Rating: 2
And there we have it folks.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/11/2009 4:54:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Shiny apple on the tree are you? There is nothing wrong with watching, joining in and enjoying the folly and ignorance of junior mentalities such as yours.

Textbook trolling, no?


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/11/2009 5:27:12 PM , Rating: 2
It may be trolling by one point of view. But then again I'm not really concerned with the viewpoint of those who have needlessly flamed a person[Screwball] for expressing his opinions and/or perception of a situation.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/11/2009 4:22:29 PM , Rating: 2
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because I saw their bulls**t and called them on it (as well as contacted a few vendors that refuse to lend them hardware for reviewing anymore after they found the truth in my information, in one case a thermal compound review that was hijacked from another website).

Is that an opinion? No, he posted this as fact. A fact he plays on until called on it....then he contradicts himself, and flips the story completely around.
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it is amazing what a single simple email contact with some legitimate and proven facts will do. Now no one but the HL owner can really tell if vendors have stopped supplying them with hardware or not.

Is that an opinion? No, on no less than three occasions in this thread, he says he emailed companies (and later one company) and because of his truth (not opinion), those companies no longer work with me (which would show financial loss and defamation of character).
quote:
As for "contacting people to stop supplying hardware to HL", there was no such event, you know it and I know it, and there is no evidence to prove that there was.

Is this an opinion? Wait, didn't he himself just establish that he contacted companies (so it was companies (as in plural), then company (as in singular), then here he says that he didn't contact any companies, and it can't be proven)
quote:
I can care less about what website and forum modifications you have made and edited my posts to make me look bad. I can do that with my own php forums, just remember the hosting company does keep logs

Is this an opinion?
No, this isn't an opinion either Here he goes further, accusing me of editing his posts (Which would be hard since I have no way of doing that....remember I left last September, and had no problem with this guy until this weekend, when he drug my name into this). Seriously, if you read through this, and somehow see him as an innocent victim, you are either Screwballl posting under a ppsuedo name, or as big an idiot as Screwballl himself.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/11/2009 4:40:22 PM , Rating: 2
Keep digging bud.

quote:
Seriously, if you read through this, and somehow see him as an innocent victim, you are either Screwballl posting under a ppsuedo name, or as big an idiot as Screwballl himself.


Well my name isn't Mike, it's Lex. And don't know where you all live/work, but I'm Orem, Utah. And as for calling me an idiot, is that not unlike the pot calling the kettle black?

Mr. Caporali, when you live in a glass house, it is not wise to throw rocks.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/11/2009 4:44:01 PM , Rating: 2
Las Vegas Nevada.

If you have read everything posted, and the linked information, and still feel Screwballl is being wronged....God help you, because you are obviously working with some kind of deficiency.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/11/2009 4:50:08 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps I was too subtle. Again, pot calling kettle black...

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because you are obviously working with some kind of deficiency.


You just have to love the irony!


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/11/2009 4:52:00 PM , Rating: 2
Please....please....please.....quote anything here where I'm wrong! Use quotes, links, whatever, but please don't just sit here and tell me how smart you are, how dumb and dishonest I am, please quote me where I'm wrong, or where I'm dishonest.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/11/2009 5:13:56 PM , Rating: 2
I don't need to do that. Folks can see it for themselves. And we can all see you have some intelligence. But you are not being wise. You are being more than a little paranoid about something you had no real reason to worry about. You let yourself get in to a huff about someone sharing their own point of view and experiences. If what he said is false then oh well. If it is true, then be a part of the solution and help fix the problem. But what has been going on here on this forum and in other forums seems to point to the fact that something is very wrong. Otherwise why would you and others resort to all of this nonsense?

All that is happening here is that you all are showing the community at large that you are not someone they should trust to be mature, responsible and ethical. It's up to you whether or not you wish to change that.

Did I egg you on? I sure did and it was all for a laugh. Nothing wrong with that. But then again I have no reputation to defend or a stake in these issues. I saw someone being blasted unfairly and decided jump it to play devils advocate. And it would seem, upon further investigation, that I was right to do so.

BTW, my whole office has taken a look at much of this and we are, to one degree or another, in agreement. HL is in the wrong. If they were wise they would act quickly to resolve this unpleasantness before it gets out of hand.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/11/2009 5:35:25 PM , Rating: 2
I'm going to address this, and then let it go (I've tried to address Screwballl personally and professionally....remember, I'm not the one who started this).
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I don't need to do that.
Sure you do, you don't get off that easy. You are tossing around insults, making assumptions.
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You let yourself get in to a huff about someone sharing their own point of view and experiences

Lex, if it were factual, I'd acknowledge that, and apologize. If you look, he brought up articles that he contributed, which he said didn't have his name on them. I explained what happened, and told him all he needed to do was email me or the owner of the site the list of articles (as there are several articles where the author ins unknown). As I also explained, I moved more than 300 articles, one at a time, by hand, and that unless the author was in the database, they all were listed under "HL Staff". I could also say that that happened over a year ago, and that it was posted in the forums that people needed to update any contributed material with their names.....but he never did so, or addressed it until this weekend.
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If what he said is false then oh well. If it is true, then be a part of the solution and help fix the problem.
Oh well? I'm sorry man. This is everything thats wrong with the internet. At what point do you stand up for whats right? Here is a person thats been banned at at least two sites, and asked to leave others. Is that the image of an honest person? Do you not see the contradictions in what he has posted here? I don't enjoy this, but I'm tired of people like this going unchecked.....so yes, it does matter to me.
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Otherwise why would you and others resort to all of this nonsense?
If you look, 99% of what was posted by others was before I was told of this. After I posted, I went to HL and asked everyone to stay out of it, as it was my fight:

"This is my fight, no one elses. I appreciate the people who posted in that thread at DT, no one asked them to but I really appreciate the people who defended the site, and me personally (In fact it seems like a lot of you posted before someone even told me about it)."

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All that is happening here is that you all are showing the community at large that you are not someone they should trust to be mature, responsible and ethical.
Again, how? For standing up for whats right? For posting facts and showing this guy contradicting himself? How does this show me as someone that can't be trusted, or someone thats not ethical? My story doesnt change, I'm not the one making outlandish accusations.
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Did I egg you on? I sure did and it was all for a laugh. Nothing wrong with that.
Thats not trolling to you?
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I saw someone being blasted unfairly and decided jump it to play devils advocate. And it would seem, upon further investigation, that I was right to do so.
Really? At this point, I don't even know what to say.
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BTW, my whole office has taken a look at much of this and we are, to one degree or another, in agreement. HL is in the wrong.
Really, you guys aren't out on your bikes with your book bags and white shirts trying to save souls?


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/11/2009 5:49:22 PM , Rating: 2
So now you're taking shots at LDS missionary's? I'm not a Mormon, nor a missionary peddling his bike trying to save souls. I AM an IT contractor who is working on a network for a law firm. But thank You for proving that point I made earlier so effectively...


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/11/2009 6:03:10 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, whatever man....we've established you are a troll. Its ok for you to make assumptions, to make jokes, etc.......but if the shoe is on the other foot it's just "proving your point".
Whatever asshat. Get to work.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/11/2009 5:37:52 PM , Rating: 2
Let me also say, this isn't HL. I haven't been associated with HL since last September. This is my fight, HL is not in the wrong here. HL did nothing wrong.


RE: Screwball
By talikarni on 3/12/2009 10:59:31 AM , Rating: 2
From the information given both here and on "HL":

Screwball (I keep seeing a 3rd "L", is that correct?) appears that he feels he was wronged by You and/or the staff from "HL" when it was under your control. As the website owner (or whatever your official position was at that time), you had the responsibility of preventing these sort of situations, which you obviously did not because he has such a strong opinion and his own perspective of the facts at hand. This shows what type of person you are in real life and online by failing to take responsibility for your own actions, which in this case was preventing your self and your staff from attacking this person, regardless of what he may have done. I am sure other staff members have had their own problems but I see no mentions of attacks on them so it appears this person was singled out. A simple message in private saying "if this does not stop, you will lose access to this forum". By dragging this out into public and letting it go on for so long shows just how low you and your staff and members had sunk in ostracizing this person.

Any site administrator or forum administrator should not let their staff do anything remotely close to what you and the forum members are posting even today. It should not have gotten to this point to start with, much less to the point where they have such strong negative opinions on both sides.

By carrying on in the manner which you have, has proven that this is more hurt feelings than anything. I see it as YOU, not him, need to calm down and back off, as well as not prodding him by posting the forum you did on "HL" where the same community you say is so great is having a field day with the comments plastered across 9 or 10 pages of your so called "great" forums. Not so great of you ask me.

One more piece of free advice (I won't charge you for this one): you better hope he does not have a copyright or trademark or claims ownership of those pictures on the forums or the entire website may be shut down for infringement, and he would have every legal right to do so without having to contact a lawyer.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/12/2009 1:08:51 PM , Rating: 2
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Screwball (I keep seeing a 3rd "L", is that correct?) appears that he feels he was wronged by You and/or the staff from "HL" when it was under your control. As the website owner (or whatever your official position was at that time), you had the responsibility of preventing these sort of situations, which you obviously did not because he has such a strong opinion and his own perspective of the facts at hand

Yes there are three "L"s. Hmmm, person was banned for lying, and for being combative toward the staff and other members. And its not the only place he's acted this way or been banned.......but we'll call it having a strong opinion. I'm sure people aren't banned or asked to leave any other communities, and that it was just me. The thing is, unless they have issues, they just leave and go somewhere else, instead of going around posting malicious stuff......sorry, "strong opinioned"? No. person with an evident grudge and corresponding problem? Yes.
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This shows what type of person you are in real life and online by failing to take responsibility for your own actions, which in this case was preventing your self and your staff from attacking this person, regardless of what he may have done.

Attacking Screwballl? No. Attacking the lies that he posted here? Yes.
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A simple message in private saying "if this does not stop, you will lose access to this forum". By dragging this out into public and letting it go on for so long shows just how low you and your staff and members had sunk in ostracizing this person.

You weren't part of the community, and obviously haven't done a lot of research, or are ignoring a lot of whats posted here. He was talked to SEVERAL times about his issues. I gave him several chances to change his posting habits before he was eventually banned. He wasn't picked on, or singled out....like any other forum, we've banned people (I think in just over 3 years I banned 4 people total, and 2 of those were unbanned after a week). If you were banned, or asked to leave a community....wouldn't you just leave and get on with your life? Move on, find better things to do.
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By dragging this out into public and letting it go on for so long shows just how low you and your staff and members had sunk in ostracizing this person.

See, this is where this stinks.....m,maybe its just me.....but the two guys that speak up for Screwballl keep making the same type of posts over and over......"You and HL, "You and your staff".....I don't like to call people liars, but at this point this just seems like Screwballl keeping this going by posting under different names. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but if I'm wrong then you really need to get it through your head I am not HL or associated with HL......and I'm not the one who drug this out in public, I'm the one who was lied about.


RE: Screwball
By talikarni on 3/12/2009 2:30:38 PM , Rating: 2
The question I have at this time is: were you just as combative towards screwballl as you are towards the rest of us, just because we see things differently?

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If I'm wrong, I'm sorry,


Yes you are wrong, at least about me, I do not know him nor have ever dealt with him in real life or online and I am only going on the information stated here plus the thread under the "HL" forum which has since been removed.

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I am not HL or associated with HL....

The problem from where I stand is that at the time there was the initial problems, you WERE in charge over there (as far as I take it) so therefore you were responsible for keeping your staff and members from ostracizing him then, just as I am sure you have pull with the current HL staff now and are just as responsible for letting them ostracize him now by posting that thread in the first place.

You claim to be the "bigger man" but so far you have only proven in my opinion that you are a hurt little boy. He seems to have dropped it several days ago and that shows the maturity more than continuing the argument with more strangers that are unrelated to the situation at hand.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/12/2009 2:55:53 PM , Rating: 1
Combative toward Screwballl....ummm, ok. Combative toward you? Maybe a little, but not for having a different opinion.....more for ignoring facts.

"ostracize him"? really? Wait....he posted a lie, was caught in said lie, then changed his story....then posted several things that were not supported by any facts....and he's being picked on?

http://forums.hardwarelogic.com/blogs/screwballl/i...

Yep, theres a guy that was hated and picked on. I will say several members stepped up and posted here, and in that thread on HL.....what does that tell you? One person with an axe to grind, banned from multiple places, posting hate....or several members posting supportive things, and calling said person out on lies?

Ironically, Screwballl "dropped" this right about the time you two clowns picked it up. A pre-law guy and an IT guy who works in a law office.....both posting the same type of comments, both ignoring facts, etc. doesn't seem contrived at all.....The way I see it, the two of you are continuing this, and I'm addressing the questions and issues that come up.

You also don't answer my question....if you are banned, or asked to leave a community....why not just leave? Why go around to different sites hijacking threads, posting hate.....why not just get on with your life?

As to being a "hurt little boy", bitch....if someone out of the blue posted something on a website saying Talikarni blew truckers at rest stops, you would defend your name (If you do blow truckers at rest stops, thats your business, no one is judging you, just an example).

So, you criticize me for "continuing this argument", but why haven't you let it go? I mean, its of no concern to you, unless you are Screwballl. Why don't either of you address any facts, instead of repeating that Screwballl is being picked on by the evil empire?


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/12/2009 3:03:51 PM , Rating: 2
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The question I have at this time is: were you just as combative towards screwballl as you are towards the rest of us, just because we see things differently?


I've yet to see a website or forum that doesn't have rules. If you don't follow rules, that website has every right to ask you to leave, or ban you, do they not? WAs I combative toward Screwballl? Hardly. Even after he lied to me and the staff about an email, he wasn't banned. The owner of the other site involved can even verify this, as I talked to him about this yesterday. He wanted Screwballl banned immediately, and as Screwballl posted in the private message, I said "I won't let anyone chase off a forum member". I'm sure if you also ask the members of HL, they will agree that Screwballl was treated well, and fairly.
Go ask the members at HL, I'm not staff there, or associated with anything there, I'm a regular member, and have been for more than six months.....I don't think anyone will have any trouble giving you their opinion of me, or Screwballl.


RE: Screwball
By HlTMAN on 3/12/2009 11:15:40 PM , Rating: 2
Oh this is just too good not to respond to. So since no one came to Screwballl's rescue he decided to come to his own rescue and create two other names to defend himself.

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Originally posted by lexluthermiester
And for the record, I have no idea who Screwball is in real life. But if I were one of his friends, I would advise him to explore his legal options. And no small thanks to you, he now has a few that he did not previously... Careful with what you say next Mr. Caporali...


Oh sure you do lex, you're the alter ego of Screwballl (nice try on dropping the 3rd l to throw us off)

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Originally posted by lexluthermiester
Well my name isn't Mike, it's Lex. And don't know where you all live/work, but I'm Orem, Utah. And as for calling me an idiot, is that not unlike the pot calling the kettle black?


Lex Luthermiester, as in Lex Luthor? HaHa where is Superman Lex? Maybe he can help save Screwballl too.

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Originally posted by talikarni Screwball (I keep seeing a 3rd "L", is that correct?)


LMFAO, the worst online acting ever. Nice try Screwballl AKA talikarni AKA lexluthermiester. Either you are suffering from MPD or you are just think we stupid. Oh and to make it even funnier, talikarni is going to law forums looking for advice for his alter ego screwballl (yes you're seeing 3 l's to match the 3 personalities)

http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7...

BUSTED!


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/13/2009 12:22:18 AM , Rating: 2
He shall henceforth be referred to as:

TalikScrewMeister


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/13/2009 12:49:17 AM , Rating: 2
Wow, that was a very clever retort. I'll bet you're proud of that one. See my adjoining post...


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/13/2009 12:43:01 AM , Rating: 2
Hitman, You and Mr. Caporali seem to have the same cognitive problems. I find that suspicious. But I'm not about to make the claim that you and he are one in the same, without any proof. I am not Screwball, nor Talikarni.

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Oh this is just too good not to respond to. So since no one came to Screwballl's rescue he decided to come to his own rescue and create two other names to defend himself.


I am, in fact, someone who was completely uninvolved until I shared an opinion and was attacked and insulted for doing so. The childishness you and Mr. Caporali have displayed here is staggeringly lacking in any level of honorable behavior, dignity and maturity.

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LMFAO, the worst online acting ever. Nice try Screwballl AKA talikarni AKA lexluthermiester. Either you are suffering from MPD or you are just think we stupid. Oh and to make it even funnier, talikarni is going to law forums looking for advice for his alter ego screwballl (yes you're seeing 3 l's to match the 3 personalities)


Lets settle this one, shall we? The DT staff have the ability to verify whether or not the three user accounts mentioned are being used the same person[IP tracing].

Therefore, I hereby grant DailyTech the right to share with anyone that privately asks the following information; 1. That I am indeed a completely different user from Screwball and Talikarni, 2. That I do in fact reside in the state of Utah, USA, 3. That my ISP operates in Orem, Utah., 4. That all successful logins in recent months have been from IP addresses owned by my ISP[MStar.net LLC], and 5. DailyTech is request and required to notify myself of the user names and or real names of anyone that requests any such information. Beyond the 5 points stated above, I authorize the release of no other information and continue to reserve my statutory rights to privacy, as protected by law.

It seems to be well known that Screwball and Talikarni reside in states other than mine.

So Hitman or Mr. Caporali, the ball is in your court. Either prove up or shut up.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/13/2009 1:26:39 AM , Rating: 1
Well, except Hitman has been a longtime member at both MPC and HL (maybe you can research that....nah, too much trouble)....I like the guy, but couldn't imagine being him, or him being me....but nice try turning it all around.

I'll just throw this out the Lex, you're an asshole......and a troll. I honestly don't care what you think, my only concern is the truth....and at this point, we've pretty much established whose full of shit, and who isn't (I'll give you a hint, Screwballl is full of shit.....I hope that's not too obvious). Aside from his story changing several times, and never addressing facts presented, we've established that he is so pathetic that he actually posted under the name Talikarni on that legal forum.....and ironically, more than one legal person chimed in that he is wrong.

I've already been in contact with the DT staff and have shared all the information with them. I've requested that all the posts that are off topic here be removed. We have copies of it all, and are working on statements from people, and are pursuing this legally.

As to your legal advice to Screwballl, head over to that legal forum and let them know you stayed at a Holiday Inn, or are an IT guy who works in a law office (Maybe you're like some sort of "Good Will Hunting", a guy that plays WoW all day, and solves complex legal issues in your spare time).


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/13/2009 1:30:03 AM , Rating: 2
Let me also point out that all it takes is a cursory look at your profile here, and your posting habits, to really show people what kind of guy you are.

you seem less interested in discussing the articles than simply going from thread to thread like some sort of self appointed comment police.....judging posters and their input but really bringing nothing to the conversation.

You sir, are the true definition of TROLL.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/13/2009 2:28:09 AM , Rating: 2
Did I deny it? Is it against the law? Is it even against DT TOS? The answer to all of these is no. I have the RIGHT just as anyone else that to post my opinions and views. You might want to see to your rambling...


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/13/2009 2:48:54 AM , Rating: 2
You have every right to post your opinion....but aside from being a troll, the word hypocrite comes to mind. Honestly, I am at this point pretty happy. My point has been made and my position validated. At this point I'm just enjoying the back and forth banter with you.

Did you follow the link to that legal forum, Screwballl can't even be honest when he's asking for help out of this hole he's dug.
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Someone is claiming they are speaking with a lawyer for libel relating to information I posted in a "comments" area of a website. I am mostly shrugging them off but still want to keep my legal options open to see that comments and forums are still protected under free speech and subject to opinions.

Thats comic genius right there.

I reached out to Screwballl, and he could have ended all of this by retracting his false accusations (they were not opinion), and apologizing publicly. He not only ignored the overtures, he decided the best course of action was to post under different names, as having someone stand up for him somehow made him right.

This all boils down to someone really stepping in it, and the combination of being too stubborn and too stupid to just make it right
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The last bit is that there has been no ACTUAL harm, loss, or damage occurred as a result of the statements.

Lets just say I can show otherwise, not only in his own statements here, but believe me when I say Mr Kaiser has a surprise coming...... I'll address anything Mike has posted, and use enough information to prove my point, but I'm not laying all of my cards here......we'll save the tactical nuke for the coup de grace.

BTW, Mr Kaiser started this with the goal of ruining other peoples reputations, and by keeping it going posting under his name and other names has brought this plenty of attention.....which was his goal, to try and paint people he had issues with as dishonest and bad people, but I think thats backfired badly, and soon enough, you'll Google Mike Kaiser and see all of this....not quite the image I'm sure Mike wanted.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/13/2009 3:22:53 AM , Rating: 2
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You have every right to post your opinion...


Correct, I do...

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but aside from being a troll, the word hypocrite comes to mind.


Once again, LOVE the irony!

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My point has been made and my position validated.


Not according to the goings-on in this thread...

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At this point I'm just enjoying the back and forth banter with you.


AHH, He finally gets it. I really enjoy this kind of banter. It's one of the reasons I visit DailyTech.

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but believe me when I say Mr Kaiser has a surprise coming...... I'll address anything Mike has posted, and use enough information to prove my point, but I'm not laying all of my cards here......we'll save the tactical nuke for the coup de grace.


That could very well be true. As I have said before, I am an outsider to all of this. So it is entirely likely that there are bits that I have not been privy to observation of. If you have a legitimate grievance with Mr. Kaiser, that is your business. But implying that you can take legal issues with me is pure folly. And as I have in another post a few moments ago, I will do again. And that is to warn you to consider very carefully the actions you mount against me. I am in a better legal standing then you are as I have chosen what to say and how to say it very carefully. It is clear that you have not. My firm has already stated to me that if you or anyone representing you decide to litigate, they will take the charge pro-bono. And they only do so when they are confident of victory.

So to be blunt, if you want the legal smack-down, bring it!


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/13/2009 3:29:15 AM , Rating: 1
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But implying that you can take legal issues with me is pure folly. And as I have in another post a few moments ago, I will do again. And that is to warn you to consider very carefully the actions you mount against me. I am in a better legal standing then you are as I have chosen what to say and how to say it very carefully. It is clear that you have not. My firm has already stated to me that if you or anyone representing you decide to litigate, they will take the charge pro-bono. And they only do so when they are confident of victory.

I have no clue what you are talking about here.......no one has ever said anything about legal action against anyone except Mike Kaiser. As far as I know, you're just an asshole, not someone guilty of libel.
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AHH, He finally gets it. I really enjoy this kind of banter. It's one of the reasons I visit DailyTech.

thats really not what these comment sections are for, they are for discussing the articles they are associated with. If you just want to be a troll, and obnoxious, there are plenty of places for you to do that.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/13/2009 3:55:30 AM , Rating: 1
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no one has ever said anything about legal action against anyone except Mike Kaiser. As far as I know, you're just an asshole, not someone guilty of libel.


I disagree, but then again we clearly seem to have two very different perceptions of reality...

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As far as I know, you're just an asshole,


Now see, there you go again with the junior mentality.

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thats really not what these comment sections are for, they are for discussing the articles they are associated with.


Might I remind you this is a blog open to the pubic? And remember, I did not start this. But I do have every right, like anyone else, to share opinion and purview on what I observe. I also have the right to defend from baseless non-sense spouted forth from comical folks such as yourself. If I happen to glean some entertainment and laughter from such, so be it.

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If you just want to be a troll, and obnoxious


Again with the irony! Never gets old...

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there are plenty of places for you to do that.


And once agian, your own advice, take it...


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/13/2009 1:48:30 AM , Rating: 2
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So Hitman or Mr. Caporali, the ball is in your court. Either prove up or shut up.

Hey man, If you are in Orem, you arent too far away, and probably come to Vegas on occasion......I'm not hard to get a hold of, and you obviously know how to spell my name....give me a call, I'd love to get together for a soda or something.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/13/2009 2:36:33 AM , Rating: 2
You know, I do drop down to Vegas every now and then, usually to reunite with with some of my old military friends. So tell you what, bucko, next time I'm down there you can drop in and have a chat with us all. That might be fun. What do you think?


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/15/2009 2:52:41 AM , Rating: 2
Sounds great tough guy.

This is probably the closest you've ever come to the military:
http://tinyurl.com/b2porh

I'm listed, and you obviously know my name, so I'll be here waiting.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/15/2009 12:08:42 PM , Rating: 2
Wow! Kinky! So, is that your subtle way of hitting on a guy. Sorry, I don't bend that way. But I'm thinking that is your favorite magazine, eh? And we ALL know you'll be waiting...


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/13/2009 2:05:49 AM , Rating: 2
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I am, in fact, someone who was completely uninvolved until I shared an opinion and was attacked and insulted for doing so.

Oh Lex, you have actually made this a little fun......

Here are your first two posts regarding this:

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So, stinger, until you can post proof that Screwball is a liar, how about you refrain from making YOURSELF sound like a dolt? Just a suggestion.


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A wise person once told me that if you are going to involve yourself in the affairs of others, know the facts beforehand.


Prophetic, no? Wan't it you that made some comment about glass house and stones? WE can make you some CliffsNotes or draw diagrams for you. Maybe Fact Checking For Dummies.

Anyway, time for bed....I'm sure you'll have some witty comeback about how smart you are, how immature I am, blah blah blah......instead of flapping your gums, follow your own advice and do some research, and learn the facts.


RE: Screwball
By HlTMAN on 3/13/2009 1:51:22 PM , Rating: 2
Nice try, I find it real hard to believe that you aren't in some way associated with Screwballl. That's OK, Screwballl needs some friends right now whether he makes them up or asks for someone to come to his aid. Doesn't matter Screwballl brought all this on himself. There is a very long back-story to all this, and Screwballl is not an innocent victim like he is trying to be. When someone throws a rock at a pit-bull, and the pit-bull responds by ripping their face off, who is to blame? The person who started the whole thing by throwing a rock or the pit-bull for defending himself. Screwballl is throwing rocks.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/13/2009 3:50:47 PM , Rating: 2
Aww, poor Hitman, did someone hit you in the face with a rock? Can anyone else hear tiny violin's playing?


RE: Screwball
By HlTMAN on 3/14/2009 11:44:06 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah nice try on turning it around. Classic 3rd grade antics. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/15/2009 12:54:46 PM , Rating: 2
An adult conversation is something you will need to wait a few years for.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/11/2009 12:54:54 AM , Rating: 2
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Relating to this same situation, you supported me standing up for the site as long as it stayed anonymous:

You cannot possibly be that stupid, or believe anyone else is that stupid.

You denied writing it to me and in the board room, so I told OCZ and others that I had no idea who wrote it, but as long as it was me I didn't care.

Lets slow this down for the handicapped:

You denied writing it, so I told the parties involved that I didnt know who wrote it. But, I didn't write it, so I am not worried......pretty simple and straightforward.

then I find out you did write it, and that put me and the site in a spot with companies and sister sites. After that letter you wrote to OCZ, its kinda hard for me to put your name on a review after I tell these people you are not a staff member.

Then, OCZ and The other site send me the email, with your name on it, mailed from your email address. After I had already addressed the issue with staff and forum members.
The original post did not ask people not to respond, the original post asked who the hell wrote that, and why would you do that after the issue had been addressed.

I chose the latter and did not respond at all because the email was sent and meant to be anonymous. Regardless if it came from me or not, it was sent with personal opinions and not that of HL, and nowhere in that email did I state I was staff or even a member of HL (I still have the email in my Sent box).

Thats a bold faced lie. You were asked directly and posted that you were at the Dr with your daughter and had no idea who wrote it.....again, only fessing up after being confronted with the facts.

So you knew and I knew but I was expecting that would remain between us and no one else. Where it went beyond there however was how you chose to handle it.

I'm not going to lie for anyone, and you sealed your own fate by using your email address. I will say that I talked the other site out of suing your ass, and did not ban you even after they asked me to.

but I look at it also from the point of view you were trying to stand up for the site, which was appreciated....thats the big reason I tried to just let things die and leave everything as is, at least for us on the site.
We'll work on it, and see what happens...i won't let anyone be chased off on the site.....and I do see your point on some of the things brought up


Again, as I said in another message that isnt quoted here "Your heart was in the right place, but your head was up your ass". I let you stay, even though everyone else wanted you bbanned for lying and creating drama. I tried several times to get you to tone it down, but you didnt cool out and were banned.

I would consider you extremely dishonest. I dont see where you prove anything. All I see is a dishonest person who can't explain his lies. Saying that your posts were edited in any way is comical. I encourage people to hit the HL forums and judge for themselves, just follow the links posted in this thread.

I've tried dealing with this on a personal levle, I've tried using facts.....nothing seems to get through to you. I sent you an email outlining some conditons, and no response.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/11/2009 4:13:15 PM , Rating: 2
You know, I took your challenge and followed some of those links and all I see is someone defending himself from the illicit attacks of others who seem to demonstrate a very clear lack of maturity and professionalism.

Mike may also have a case for plagiarism as the article he seems to have produced[and you have confirmed this] has not been credited to him. If I were a decision maker at HL, I would either modify the credits to properly reflect the author or remove the article as soon as I possible. But then again that would only be responsible and ethical, would it not? But we all have clearly seen that you and the others are more concerned with pointless, fruitless harassment and badmouthing. You don't at all seem concerned about what is professional and ethical, which why if Mike wanted to press legal issues he would most likely win. I feel sorry for you and your friends.


RE: Screwball
By DoctorV on 3/11/2009 10:57:00 PM , Rating: 2
SHUT UP already. You're almost as annoying as Screwball jeez.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/11/2009 11:20:18 PM , Rating: 2
Lex, I didn't see this post by you. In my initial post regarding this whole thing....

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By capper5016 on 3/7/2009 7:09:51PM
You mention having written for HL.....lets say you more contributed to a few articles. I wont embarrass you more with this. As to your name being on articles.....we switched software almost a year ago, and several articles were changed to "HL Staff" because there was no names in the database to associate them with. I'm sure if you contact HL, they will make any changes necessary. It wasnt limited to you, but anyone who contributed articles before the switch.


As I also pointed out later, this was posted as an announcement in the forums, because it affected several people, not just a few articles by Mike. Other people pointed out articles, and they were corrected. The articles mike authored, or contributed to listed in his post were forwarded to the appropriate people as soon as I saw them. There was no malicious intent.

Also, you claim mike has a case for plagiarism....where and how? No one else put their name on the articles, and its why we created an account named "Staff", because there were articles contributed by forum members and guest writers that could not be properly credited.

Dr V, let it go man, you are wasting your breath here. I think everything that needed to be said has been said.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/12/2009 5:06:15 AM , Rating: 2
The ignorance abounds... I think, perhaps, I'm going to side with the qualified information that has been shared with me by actual attorneys rather then from someone[s] that have shown clearly that he[they] can not act with a level of dignity and class expected from so-called professionals.


RE: Screwball
By talikarni on 3/12/2009 11:54:04 AM , Rating: 2
If you notice, based on our points made here, the very thread under their "HL" forums that was harassing screwball has been removed from public view. This means that either they realize we are right and it was deleted, or they put it into a staff or member only area of the forums so they appear the good guys once again. I hope they realize that the fact of its existence can be saved or cached online, and saved in a backup with their hosting provider as a legal reference.

The removal of that forum shows that they are very good at hiding proof which further digs this capper guy into a deeper hole and gives screwball that much more credibility. When someone is so quick to hide information, it appears they are trying to portray HL as this great community when the very existence of that thread and its responses show that they are clearly a group of trigger happy trools and are at fault for letting screwball get to the point he is at.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/12/2009 12:40:48 PM , Rating: 2
I just don't know......maybe I'm speaking some sort of different language. Lex, we've established you are a troll, thats fine, I understand how that works, and the joy it brings you. I'm sure you'll continue telling all of us how smart you are, blah blah blah. Troll on brother!

Talik.......I'm gonna dumb this down for you again.....I'm not HL, or associated with HL. I emailed the HL staff and asked them to remove the thread linking to this comment section to remove any temptation for any of their members to get involved with this. As to it harassing Screwball, it was a thread which I started, pointing out the comments here, with the same links posted here rebutting what was said, and asking people to point out any other places where Screwballl had posted like comments, oh and asking them to not post here anymore, as it wasn't their fight.

"Harassing Screwballl".....that's a good one........Lets see, am I or anyone else going around posting malicious or untrue comments, then changing my story? No......Look around the web, the only place you'll find anything is right here, in this comment section, in response to something posted ABOUT ME. Remember, I was kinda drug into this matter of factly. Screwballl was banned from MPC a couple of weeks back and, as pointed out by a few others from MPC, he decided to make this a personal attack on someone else, but for whatever reason brought up my name (then after I jumped into it, he Skyped me that it wasn't anything personal with me, just something about me letting that other person get his way).....but because I defended my name, the attack switched to me. Where am I harassing Screwballl? Am I following him around, posting on different sites and forums spreading untruths? No, just answering accusations here.

Again, I am not HL, or associated with HL in any way, except as a regular user. I have no special access, no special powers. I'm speechless as to your comments about HL and its members.....and speechless that a couple of "tools" can't see the facts presented (or you both are simply trolls, which really....who cares). Let me ask you a couple of questions.....

Would you defend your name and honor if someone posted stuff online about you that wasn't true? You talk about "harassment" but did you look at the linked MaxPC thread? Did you look at the linked HL threads? Did you realize that Screwballl completely hijacked this comment thread making accusations which he later completely contradicted?

Did you notice the small things, like Screwballl saying "When I decided to leave", and "When it came time for me to leave"? Then later, after others chimed in it was changed to "I was banned"....just a little thing, but something people sometimes do to portray themselves as victims.

Its funny that a couple of guys, who post how smart they are, and how dumb others are, ignore facts plainly laid out for them. How they look past obvious contradictions, etc.... and paint an entire community as bad, when they don't know anyone there, and know nothing of the situation other than whats printed here. If you are a future ambulance chase.....good on you, but I'd really hate to think that someday, someones life or freedom is going to depend on you.


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/13/2009 4:14:10 AM , Rating: 2
Based on what has been displayed here, I would not disagree on any one point. It would seem that there is some blame to be had on both sides on that fence. Kinda sad really. But one thing seems to be very clear, Screwball had the sense to bow out. And yet these children keep digging themselves in deeper. Do you suppose they know the long term effects of what they are doing here?


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/13/2009 4:51:07 AM , Rating: 1
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Based on what has been displayed here, I would not disagree on any one point. It would seem that there is some blame to be had on both sides on that fence. Kinda sad really.

Lets be clear here. Screwballl was banned from the MaxPC forums lat week. Thats between him and them. To be honest, I don't participate there and was told about it after the fact. I only mention that because he saw this thread as an opportunity to bash MPC, and more specifically a person he had a problem with. Where he screwed up, at least with me was dragging me into it...Why, I have no idea. But it was a fatal mistake. He was caught in a lie, and instead of just saying "I fucked up", he lashed out again, trying to deflect the attention from himself by making even more outlandish remarks against me, some members that posted here in support of me and the community that they take pride in.
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But one thing seems to be very clear, Screwball had the sense to bow out.
You aren't that stupid, are you (This may be why people think you are another Screwballl user name). WE have already established that he is posting here as Screwballl and Talikarni, and asking for legal advice at that legal forum.....so don't try to say he has bowed out and stopped....to the contrary, he has even further established what kind of person he is.

Digging myself in deeper....hmmm....I wasn't the one posting outlandish accusations, but I will say everything Mike Kaiser posted has been refuted, and that most everyone except you, and evidently him, sees him for what he is.

Again, follow your own advice, and familiarize yourself with facts before posting again...and please, either show me where anyone mentioned legal action against you, or quit with the drama.

Mike has been given options, and at this point what happens is up to him, at least in regards to my issues with him. If by now he still doubts my resolve with this, and thinks I am bluffing about legal action....he's seriously screwed. So, you can continue to be the enabler for him, or you can familiarize yourself with the facts and maybe talk some sense into him. I don't know about you, but if I were egging someone on who had everything riding on something, and they lost it all....I'd feel like shit...but thats just me.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/12/2009 12:43:50 PM , Rating: 2
Is this the law firm you work for?
http://www.algorithmandblues.org/images/howard_fin...
Yeah, you've been all about dignity and class.....


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/13/2009 4:02:08 AM , Rating: 2
LOVE the stooges. Not a greatly accurate rebuttal, but still VERY funny!


RE: Screwball
By Screwballl on 3/15/2009 3:30:06 PM , Rating: 2
Let me post this partially as an apology and partially to explain the facts from my perspective.

As it has been almost a year since everything started going downhill with me at HL, I tend to hold grudges for a long time. That will not pass. I felt I was screwed over in a major way by a group at HL for things that were blown way out of proportion and I was treated as a 3rd rate citizen for standing up for my beliefs.

I do apologize for making some of my posts sound like fact instead of opinion and people misunderstanding where I am coming from.

Some facts :

The thermal compound article: I stated I mistyped (by and from), if you cannot take that at face value them I am sorry you have a problem with typos. At no point did I lie about this article or about contacting any company. The post originally stated:
quote:
"Who contacted this company? You have the choice to either fess up or remain silent."
I chose to remain quiet as it was sent anonymously and as my personal opinion about something that I feel was partially stolen from HL. At no point did I lie about sending it. Only after you contacted me via Private messages did I admit to sending it, but at no point did I publicly (via forum or blog message) admit or deny having anything to do with that situation. It was between you (Rich) and me. No one else. You were the one that chose to take this way beyond an anonymous email and "claim" I lied about it.

My original email:

quote:
From Mike Wed Mar 5 07:20:54 2008

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:20:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike <*********@yahoo.com>
Subject: OCZ Freeze Dominates Massive Thermal Compound Roundup at Benchmark Reviews
To: marketing@ocztechnology.com

This is sent as my personal opinion about a situation I feel needs to be corrected. This no way reflects the members, staff or anyone else involved in any way with HardwareLogic.

As a concerned and loyal OCZ customer, I am emailing you to point out that the Thermal Compound Roundup was originally posted at hardwarelogic.com a full 24 hours earlier than it was at Benchmark Reviews. It was my understanding that the site owner for Benchmark Reviews had probed several key members of HardwareLogic about this issue and took information posted on the forum boards and from these members in private to create his own roundup which comprised of all the same compounds. He has been one to peruse several of the large and small tech communities, use or steal their ideas, then posts them as his own. Many times the exact quotes and paraphrasing can be seen on both showing that Benchmark Reviews has been known to steal portions of stories without their permission, or if it is a site he has an affiliation with, will post it as a quote.
Using HardwareLogic's "temperature difference" style points out that rather than post temperatures like most tech sites as "ambient" and "core", he modified the story very quickly to follow into the same format and style as HardwareLogic. It is very easy to compare the 2 stories side by side and see where Benchmark Reviews simply modifies the text some to fit his own site and words but the review and information itself is the same. Even up to the final recommendations, BR almost exactly mirrors HL with the minor difference of ArcticSilver5.

This is very concerning and deserves some investigating by the vendors that work with Benchmark Reviews. Please take the time to get this to the necessary people to look deeper into this blight to the true and trustworthy tech communities.


If you notice, it only shows "Mike" and my email address. Not my last name or any other identifying information that would relate to HardwareLogic or my currently banned username there.

quote:
then someone decided to go around to several companies and call out Benchmark Reviews as having stole content


See my above reply. FACT: I sent the one email from myself, using my own personal opinions, not as a staff or forum member of HL. Anything else that happened was beyond my control and at no point had I contacted any other company about any other situation. If other companies were contacted about this, it was not me, that is a cold hard FACT. Trying to prove otherwise is completely useless as there is not a single contact from myself to any other company aside from OCZ as stated above.

quote:
after repeatedly giving people poor advice, giving people information as fact that was simply flawed or outright wrong


None of my information was a lie or wrong. The main brunt of this lie from Rich stems from my suggestions and opinions that it is better to not overclock a processor if the poster/person does not have previous experience. I felt the conversations relating to this subject fell along the lines (from Rich, Paul and other key members and staff), that "if we can do it, you can too". One specific reference was the staff stating that I got my E8400 to 4GHz easily. FACT: when you have experience, yes it can be easy to do it. For those without experience, there is the possibility of damaging various computer parts from overheating.

quote:
...we switched software almost a year ago...

FACT: At that point (1 year ago aka March 2008), I was still staff and was still actively writing articles for HL so that points out a lie on your part. My name was still on the articles until late July 2008 yet I did not hear of or see the software switch over until September, after you state the new owner took over. Since it was after I was gone but before the software changes, I believe that my name was removed out of malicious interests. I will not pursue this any further as I know I wrote those articles, you know I wrote those articles, and that is all the satisfaction I need at this point. Plus I feel that any request from me will go unheard and not responded to by the new owner based on previous attempts at contacting him (Aron).

quote:
As to MPC having "unofficial control over HL"...
This was an opinion based on the power that Paul has exercised over staff and member of HL. You quoted yourself saying "Paul wanted screwballl gone". That points that he had some say in the situation, and would have just as much say in numerous other events at HL. As a staff member of MPC as well, that in my opinion suggests that there is at least a partial control of MPC over HL. Maybe not Will Smith or other administrative members but at least there is a connection.

quote:
I left HL in September because of some health/personal issues.

As anyone can tell, I think that simply you posting that thread blasting me and letting the other members also blast me shows a very poor maturity level from a community that is claimed to be so great by yourself. If it was so great then that type of thread should have never have even been made much less made public. Based on the support you had received on that thread and refusal of the new owner to remove the pictures that I have property and ownership rights over, shows that you must at least have some sway and pull with the website.

My opinion is that your posts start off as this high and mighty person protecting a great community, but anyone that saw the thread attacking me may also form the opinion seeing what a bitter and malicious group is really there.

It all boils down to perspective. You say the sky is blue, but it is cloudy here so I see the sky is grey. Neither of us is wrong and it is a difference of factual evidence based on perspective.

I apologize for my comments being misunderstood and the line between fact and opinion was blurred which was not my intention.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/15/2009 4:58:15 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, but allow me to retort:

quote:
I do apologize for making some of my posts sound like fact instead of opinion and people misunderstanding where I am coming from.

This isnt going to cut it. Sorry, I give you credit for trying, but you made an accusation, and didn't retract that until much later, after you had been confronted with facts.
quote:
I chose to remain quiet as it was sent anonymously and as my personal opinion about something that I feel was partially stolen from HL. At no point did I lie about sending it.

You still cant tell the truth. I asked who wrote it, and you denied it when asked, saying you were at a DR Appointment with your daughter. I asked everyone who was working at HL at the time. They all remember the incident, and what you said. Funny they all remember it because of "daughter" and "doctor".
quote:
It was between you (Rich) and me. No one else. You were the one that chose to take this way beyond an anonymous email and "claim" I lied about it.

When you deny something, and post things to make people believe otherwise, thats called a lie. Its basic English, like the difference between FACT and OPINION.
As to being "between us", as I said, I don't lie for anyone. And I have to say that both OCZ and Benchmark Reviews approached me with your email and email address....they knew exactly who wrote that email, and after seeing it I did too. It was at that point you were told you could not contribute anymore, and ties in with that partial PM you posted here a couple days back that said" Reviews and the Thermal Compound issue go hand in hand"......which meant that your credibility was gone, and that you were done.
quote:
quote: after repeatedly giving people poor advice, giving people information as fact that was simply flawed or outright wrong

Thats really out of context, and is but one example of the problem. The thing is, I always liked you, and was very patient with you, right up until the end. Several times I or other staff members talked to you and explained how to help people, using facts, links, and examples.....you continuously ignored that and it got to the point that your advice was a problem.
quote:
FACT: At that point (1 year ago aka March 2008), I was still staff and was still actively writing articles for HL so that points out a lie on your part. My name was still on the articles until late July 2008

Thats absolutely untrue. You know when we switched software, and everything it entailed. You were also aware of the fact that everyone needed to put together a list of their articles so they could be credited.......there was no conspiracy. Thats why a catch all account was created. Regardless, your name is on anything you touched......and I'm sure other sites are tripping all over themselves to bring you on staff.
quote:
This was an opinion based on the power that Paul has exercised over staff and member of HL. You quoted yourself saying "Paul wanted screwballl gone". That points that he had some say in the situation, and would have just as much say in numerous other events at HL. As a staff member of MPC as well, that in my opinion suggests that there is at least a partial control of MPC over HL.

Ok, Paul Lilly was at HL before he contributed at MPC. I started HL with Paul and a couple of other friends because we had an idea of what we wanted to do different than every other site. As far as Paul wanting Screwballl gone, toward the end, after you lied and were becoming a cancer....yes, but it wasn't just Paul, it was the entire staff who wanted you gone. I resisted for awhile, and tried to get you to settle down, you then chose to attack me, which ended up getting you banned.
quote:
As anyone can tell, I think that simply you posting that thread blasting me and letting the other members also blast me shows a very poor maturity level from a community that is claimed to be so great by yourself.


Well, lets see.....you attack Paul Lilly at MPC two weeks ago, which gets you banned there (and not by him, but you know that). Then you attack Paul here, and for whatever reason attacked me....then the HL community. You said a lot of stuff that was completely untrue, and a few things that had some truth to it, but was twisted to support whatever you were trying to say.

If you look at the thread, and it will be reposted in public if need be, people addressed your posting here. Notice not one person spoke up for you? Those kinds of things happen when you do stuff like this.

As to your emails to Aron, thats between you and him. As to what is opinion, and what is fact.......you can't post malicious lies, then when called on them claim they are an opinion.....life doesn't work that way.

We can also bring up the fact that you contradicted yourself, then tried to claim someone edited your posts....which we both know is another lie. Then we can bring up the fact you went so far as to create another user name here to try and stick up for yourself (Seriously dude, thats a horrendous idea to begin with, but all anyone needs to do is Google "Talikarni" to see what a douche you are).
This half assed apology and retraction ain't gonna cut it. You made a comment about dedication early on.....and I'll point to something Hitman posted "You chose to throw rocks at a Pit Bull", well, I'm the Pit Bull.

You know you are 100% wrong here, You attacked me and people I care about, and until you make that right, you are going to suffer the consequences. All you have to do is make things right, and I'll make sure it ends there.....but you are rapidly running out of time.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/15/2009 5:51:35 PM , Rating: 1
Let me also add....
quote:
As anyone can tell, I think that simply you posting that thread blasting me and letting the other members also blast me shows a very poor maturity level from a community that is claimed to be so great by yourself.

Wait, you hijack a comment section and post blatant lies about people, and you think they are immature when they choose to fight back?

quote:
I do apologize for making some of my posts sound like fact instead of opinion and people misunderstanding where I am coming from.
There was no misunderstanding, you posted stuff as fact.....the FACT is, you misunderestimated who you were fucking with (And yes, "misunderestimated" is humor).


RE: Screwball
By lexluthermiester on 3/16/2009 11:55:10 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Wait, you hijack a comment section and post blatant lies about people, and you think they are immature when they choose to fight back?


How did he "hijack" anything? And Mr. Caporali, YOU have clearly demonstrated a woeful lack of maturity in this forum. It's been very funny, but sad...

quote:
There was no misunderstanding, you posted stuff as fact.....the FACT is, you misunderestimated who you were fucking with (And yes, "misunderestimated" is humor).


You're right about one thing, there was no misunderstanding. There was only a difference of perception. And again with the foul language!? Are you so ignorant and juvenile that you can not better choose words that convey your thoughts? Or is a lack of rational thought the base of the problem?


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/16/2009 3:33:05 PM , Rating: 2
Good lord, go fix a network or something.


RE: Screwball
By Screwballl on 3/18/2009 2:39:43 PM , Rating: 1
First, let this story die, let the comments get buried and you will not hear or see of anything by me again.

1) I apologized for the misunderstanding. I am not going to admit any wrong doing for something I did not do just because someone mistook what I said as facts and not opinion. I cleared that up in my last post which you are still so blind to the difference between what is legally seen as facts and opinions.

2) Based on legal precedents set across the nation (thank you Talikarni for the numerous rulings and cases), there is no legal case here. The only winners will be lawyers pocket books. So of course he will tell you there is a case, he gets paid and you and I (and my family) both lose out, plus even if you do chose to pursue this, I have no assets and little income, there is nothing of mine to take. What you will take just for your your personal bullshit pride (and will weigh on your conscious), is the very life and liberties of 2 beautiful girls (ages 6 and 1) and a wonderful stay at home mother.

Based on all this, 1) there are precedents which means very few if any courts will even bother to take this case, or if they do they will dismiss it very quickly, either way your lawyer still takes your money and 2) you seem hell bent on ruining peoples lives rather than grow up, be mature and step away like a man like I had done... but you keep dragging this on and on and on.... so much for your claim of being the "mature" person.

Oh and I don't know who "Talikarni" is but I appreciate the support and information.
Rich, do you think it may be possible that there are more than 2 people in Florida? It is fairly easy for people to do some digging online for your name which you have posted here and elsewhere...


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/18/2009 3:40:17 PM , Rating: 1
N0, we are not going to "let the story die". You are a lying sack of shit, that was caught in several lies while trying to ruin the names of good people. Again, have someone with more than a third grade education read your posts to you, and explain the difference between opinion and fact. You did not post that as opinion. Again with the "misunderstanding? There was nothing misunderstood, you stepped on your crank, with golf spikes.

Holy Shit man, don't even try to say you are not Talikarni, just stop right there......Like I said, Google really sinks that ship for you. As to the lawyers and expenses, its really cool of you of think of me....but I'll be ok. You are the one that going to have some serious issues, maybe not just with me, but with everyone else you slandered in your diarrhea of the mouth. As to having nothing to take, thats what liens are for, and to be honest...its not about money to me. To me, its about calling a piece of shit on yet another lie, and doing something about it. Its hilarious that you try to drag your wife and daughters into this, it just really demonstrates how pathetic you are.

You talk about "ruining peoples lives rather than growing up". See, weasels like you always try to turn facts around and turn themselves into the victim. Instead of grabbing yourself some Vagasil, and rubbing your mad spot, you decided to attack some good people in a very large public forum. And for that, you are going to pay.

"As to being mature, and stepping away like I have done".....Really? Isn't that how all this crap started? Because your ignorant ass couldn't just let things lie? You fucked up, you got banned.....everyone moved on, except you.......you chose to keep this going by attack people in multiple places, and even got banned for that......So if I were you, I wouldnt be lecturing people on maturity or being a man.

As to Talikarni, I encourage people to research this a little bit. On the legal forum we found, Screwballl posts as Talikarni begging for help (even there he cant get his facts straight). Then we found different sites where Screwballl starts posts as Screwballl, then continues his story as Talikarni.......for insisting you have no idea who he is, you spend an awful lot of time together.

Even when you TRY to apologize, you have to get your digs and make comments, and try to paint yourself the victim. You have some serious problems Mike. You chose to do open this can of worms, and spread lies......now its my mission in life to make your your life is as miserable as possible.

I guess you just can't make things right, and I guess we're just going to have to wait and see what happens.


RE: Screwball
By capper5016 on 3/18/2009 3:56:11 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
What you will take just for your your personal bullshit pride (and will weigh on your conscious), is the very life and liberties of 2 beautiful girls (ages 6 and 1) and a wonderful stay at home mother.

Wait, you want us to think about your family...your wife and kids? What about the families of the people you slandered?


RE: Screwball
By MythBuzter69 on 3/18/2009 4:14:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Oh and I don't know who "Talikarni" is but I appreciate the support and information.


Must be some other Screwballl with three "l"s living in Florida writing retarded stories about a character named "Talikarni" (really??? Talikarni???).

Multiple personality disorder is a serious condition, and should warrant an immediate call to a mental health expert.

source: http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=339...


I had to double check the date of this article
By AdamK47 on 3/6/2009 7:16:23 PM , Rating: 5
I can't even contemplate the stupitity of this "news". It pains me too much. I've been running my i7 920 with 6GB @ 1600MHz DDR and the QPI @ 6.4+ GT/s since November. Sure, the whole CPU is overclocked too, but even with a 133MHz base clock those increased multiplier settings were always there. The recession is affecting more than just economy it appears.




By mindless1 on 3/7/2009 6:14:54 AM , Rating: 1
Stupit old news!


By AvidDailyTechie on 3/8/2009 9:02:43 PM , Rating: 2
I think he makes a valid point...

DailyTech seems to be falling behind in getting news out in a timely manner...

Most of the stuff I read on DT now I've already read elsewhere, whereas a few years ago, it seemed like everything new came from DT first...

I duno, maybe it's just my love for DT that's making me bias


Bad People
By capper5016 on 3/12/2009 9:45:21 PM , Rating: 1
This should be the nail in the coffin for this entire thread, and Mike Kaiser's reputation.

http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2...

So, Mike Kaiser is caught in a lie, actually a series of lies. Posts some seriously crazy shit, then disappears when I retain a lawyer. But then, magically two people start posting in this thread, attacking me, stirring the pot. LexLuthermeister, and this Tariq Aziz or whatever his name is.

I get an anonymous email tonight, pointing me to this thread at a legal site. Posted by Tariq, or Talik, or as we'll now refer to him Talscrewmeister

In case the post is deleted, here is the content:

quote:
This relates to online commentary, I am in Florida, the claimant is in Nevada and who knows where the company (which he is no longer the owner of) is hosted who knows where in the US.

What are the current and past precedents relating to online defamation and libel lawsuits relating to information posted online such as in public comments, chat rooms and forums?
Someone is claiming they are speaking with a lawyer for libel relating to information I posted in a "comments" area of a website. I am mostly shrugging them off but still want to keep my legal options open to see that comments and forums are still protected under free speech and subject to opinions.

My understanding is that the information has to be "published" as an original piece of work such as a new story or blog about the event, but comments, chat rooms and posts in an online forum are a base of opinions, not a published work.

Per Brodie v. Independent Newspapers Inc.:

The five-step process the court adopted for future cases was borrowed from a New Jersey court and outlined in yesterday's 43-page majority opinion. It seeks to help trial courts "balance First Amendment rights with the right to seek protection for defamation" by suggesting they:

•Require that plaintiffs notify anonymous parties that their identities are sought.

•Give the posters time to reply with reasons why they should remain nameless.

•Require plaintiffs to identify the defamatory statements and who made them.

•Determine whether the complaint has set forth a prima facie defamation, where the words are obviously libelous, or a per quod action, meaning it requires outside evidence.

•Weigh the poster's right to free speech against the strength of the case and the necessity of identity disclosure.

Taken from http://www.baltimoresun.com/technolo...,3663270.st...

The last bit is that there has been no ACTUAL harm, loss, or damage occurred as a result of the statements.

Thanks for any help you can provide.


At this point, I think the facts are pretty clear, and would ask that the DailyTech staff just delete the whole thing.




RE: Bad People
By lexluthermiester on 3/13/2009 2:22:12 AM , Rating: 1
Mr. Caporali,

quote:
At this point, I think the facts are pretty clear, and would ask that the DailyTech staff just delete the whole thing.


Unfortunately, DailyTech as already been informed that deletion of the posted information would be considered evidence tampering, an offense that would be very costly for them. They're not about to do so. They are also aware that removal of these posts from online access could also warrant the same results.

quote:
So, Mike Kaiser is caught in a lie, actually a series of lies. Posts some seriously crazy shit, then disappears when I retain a lawyer. But then, magically two people start posting in this thread, attacking me, stirring the pot. LexLuthermeister, and this Tariq Aziz or whatever his name is.


Daily Tech is VERY aware that I am a different person from the users known as Screwball and Talikarni which puts part of your half baked theory to rest. And here's a neat twist, if you had retained an attorney, he would have instructed you to immediately discontinue posting responses to this thread. So either you are very foolish in not abiding the advice of your counsel, or you have just been caught in a lie. Care to guess which one I think it is?

Your expertlaw.com link only proves that someone there has seen the posts here. Wow! What an earth-shattering revelation... Of course that post has some very fair points to it, most of which seem to apply and all of which are supported by case law.

Furthermore, Mr. Caporali, you have clearly shown that your pride has been wounded. You have damaged your own reputation and are now asking DailyTech to remove the proof of such. Unlike yourself, THEY are not foolish. And even if they do, copies of this page have already been saved and would be posted for display elsewhere so that your embarrassing behavior will be available for the view of all. I did warn you in a previous post to watch carefully what you posted next. Now, if YOUR continued harassment of me on this forum does not cease, I will consider setting upon you my team of legal experts. And they LIVE for this kind of thing. They have been watching and are greatly amused by your antics. Do think you really want to try your luck with us sir?


RE: Bad People
By capper5016 on 3/13/2009 8:16:42 PM , Rating: 2
Alright Matlock, go fix someones network or something.

As to my attorney, my posts are no problem, because I'm not the one slandering someone.....but you already knew that.

I guess we'll just have to see what happens.


RE: Bad People
By capper5016 on 3/13/2009 9:42:23 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Now, if YOUR continued harassment of me on this forum does not cease, I will consider setting upon you my team of legal experts. And they LIVE for this kind of thing. They have been watching and are greatly amused by your antics. Do think you really want to try your luck with us sir?

Oh, just noticed you last paragraph....bring it bitch. You are an asshole. See, thats the difference in this.....this is an opinion (Well, and the truth). As to harassment, I've done nothing more than answer your questions, and correct your ignorance, but we both know that you aren't ignorrant, you are an asshole and a troll.

Have your legal experts contact me as soon as possible, lets get the ball rolling!!!!!


all this flaming has what to do with...
By Dax Corrin on 3/13/2009 4:36:57 PM , Rating: 2
A post about unlocked multipliers on Core I7s has what to do with a flame war about thermal paste?




By capper5016 on 3/13/2009 8:44:00 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly man.


Title?
By Ryun on 3/7/2009 10:04:53 AM , Rating: 2
"All Core i7 CPUs Reportedly Memory Multiplier and PQI Unlocked"

Should be QPI.




RE: Screwball
By DoctorV on 3/8/2009 1:59:57 AM , Rating: 2
Honestly bro, absolutely NOTHING at all you've said about HL is true. I've been there long enough and have done so many things to contribute there (along with enjoying everyone else's contributions) that I can guarantee it's an AMAZING place on the web to be. You simply have every ounce of your animosity pointed towards HL (as well as MPC it seems) because you were BANNED by them both - all for good reason as it looks. I wasn't around really when this happened either, I never even noticed it. Thing is, doesn't seem like many are gravely hurt by it.

As soon as I saw YOUR BULLSH*T about HL (funny how you accuse everyone who DOESN'T bullsh*t of doing so, when you seem to be the KING of it yourself), I had to sign up for DailyTech if ONLY to comment here. You really don't deserve to be a member at HL, at all, and most definitely had your ban coming. There is no place over at HL for people like you man - well, I shouldn't say that - people that do/are doing the shi*t that do/did do is more like it. If that's part of who you are, and/or you absolutely refuse to change it, then please, by all means, pick different sites that want to take your sh*t.

Seems like you've really bunched yourself up into a nasty little corner. Enjoy it man - it was definitely all you're doing.

It's really sad that you have to go this length JUST because of feeling a certain way about what YOU YOURSELF CAUSED, INTENTIONALLY. It's quite sad, to be honest.

Oh, by the way, ANYONE at HL can tell you that every single signature (for example) that I've made on that forum is mine, and I've done it completely voluntarily for anyone that's simply requested it. That's more than enough recognition for me - not to mention for something I actually did.

-Doc




Maximum PC Sucks!
By Rob94hawk on 3/8/2009 9:33:24 AM , Rating: 2
That mag is so lame I canceled my supscription to it 2 years ago. "Maximum" should be erased off their cover because they are far from it. When they fail to acnowledge superior products such as the Thermalright 120 extreme and keep printing that POS Zalman heatsink as #1 that's when you know that they are FAR from "maximum."

In there last subcription I just happened to pick one up, regrettably, just to look and see what their top pick for hard drives was that was on the cover. It wasn't even in there!! They advertised it on the cover, along with a few other things, and it wasn't even in the mag!!

Maximum PC is nothing but a joke.




erm
By MrPoletski on 3/9/2009 4:33:46 AM , Rating: 2
i've been running my 920 with ddr3 1600 for ages now. didn't know they were supposed ot be locked hehe.




not trustworthy
By Screwballl on 3/6/09, Rating: -1
RE: not trustworthy
By Dianoda on 3/6/2009 12:07:49 PM , Rating: 2
The comments about MaximumPC may be true, but according to this DT article, Intel directly confirmed MaxPC's findings regarding PQI and memory multipliers being unlocked. Kinda hard to argue that the info isn't trustworthy when the manufacturer confirmed it...


RE: not trustworthy
By Screwballl on 3/6/09, Rating: 0
RE: not trustworthy
By meepstone on 3/7/2009 6:41:10 AM , Rating: 3
and the reason we all should believe your trustworthy is...


RE: not trustworthy
By Screwballl on 3/7/09, Rating: 0
RE: not trustworthy
By stinger608 on 3/7/09, Rating: 0
RE: not trustworthy
By lexluthermiester on 3/9/2009 9:34:53 AM , Rating: 2
Stinger, Do you work for either of those publishers? I'm guessing not. Screwball may indeed have a legitimate complaint, so who are you to tell anyone to hush up?

And FYI, there is no way either of those companies can come after him for sharing his view about things. And if true he may have rights to come after them for plagiarism. Not giving credit where credit is due in the area of publishing carries severe unpleasantness with it.

So, stinger, until you can post proof that Screwball is a liar, how about you refrain from making YOURSELF sound like a dolt? Just a suggestion.


RE: not trustworthy
By Screwballl on 3/9/2009 9:58:52 AM , Rating: 2
Stinger is a staff member of HL. He is one of Paul's online buddies and is "defending" his friend.
He has been misinformed just as so many other sheep that blindly listen to people that tell him exactly what he wants to hear, not the truth, so it is not his fault.


RE: not trustworthy
By lexluthermiester on 3/9/2009 10:30:05 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Stinger is a staff member of HL. He is one of Paul's online buddies and is "defending" his friend.


This may be true, but clearly the maturity of the response posted leaves much to be desired.

quote:
He has been misinformed just as so many other sheep that blindly listen to people that tell him exactly what he wants to hear, not the truth, so it is not his fault.


A wise person once told me that if you are going to involve yourself in the affairs of others, know the facts beforehand. Clearly this individual wants to be part of the problem, instead of being a part of the solution. Again maturity comes into play here.


RE: not trustworthy
By garetjax27 on 3/7/2009 12:56:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
but because I saw the lies, deceit and politics behind the lines and left.
Mike (Screwballl), you did not "leave" HL because of the deceit or politics of the site. You were banned for backtalking the staff, giving erroneous and often times dangerous hardware advice, and also for causing drama and general discord on the forums. You were given multiple warnings and told to tone it down, where instead of taking it as friendly reminder, you took it as an insult and became bitter and nasty. Your longevity at both HL and MaximumPC were cut short because of your propensity for causing drama and flaming other members on the forums.
quote:
...that when it came time for me to leave...
You didn't leave of your own accord. You were banned because you deliberately caused trouble, just like you were banned from MaximumPC for flaming people on the forums there.
quote:
...as well as contacted a few vendors that refuse to lend them hardware for reviewing anymore after they found the truth in my information.
I'm sorry, which vendors are you referring to? Mike, your ego is starting to get in the way of your better judgement. You were nothing then, and you are nothing but a coward now. You thinking that you were instrumental in HL not getting hardware to review is laughable. You were removed from HL because of your bad behavior, and instead of learning from it and moving on, you choose to spread lies and cause drama where ever you go.
quote:
Sometimes picking up on the small or "unknown" things can be used as leverage against them in the future... I still have a few tricks up my sleeve but they have given me no reason to pull them out yet.
Mike, just remember that this goes both ways. Threatening to defame and spread lies about people is a very serious matter. You've already proven that you are adpet at avoiding accountability when you are caught doing wrong, and as a friend, I advise you stop now before things get much more serious.


RE: not trustworthy
By Quakindude on 3/7/2009 4:11:37 PM , Rating: 3
Wow Screwballl, you seem to of really lost it haven't you?

Let me tell you fine folks about HardwareLogic. I've written some articles for them as well, though not as many as Screwballl. Still, when life got too complicated for me to continue, Rich and Paul were both completely understanding and totally supportive even though I kinda screwed them over without meaning to. They could have been very pissed with me and for good reason, I caused some reviews to be quite late. But instead, they both treated me with tremendous respect and class. Something Screwballl obviously lacks.

Also, Paul Lilly, not knowing me from anyone else...just our friendship on forums, offered to come to my neighborhood and help me clean up after our F4 tornado. Rich Caporelli, who spearheaded a fund raiser for my family after that storm, has been nothing but ethical and the epitome of integrity. His dedication and efforts for the computing community has been exceptional and laudable.

Screwballl, you've been wrong before on forums and got your butt banned from both of them. Now, due to your obvious lack of maturity and perhaps, medication, as well as your complete lack of integrity in my opinion, I'm forced to tell you something you should seriously pay attention to.

Your behavior on both MaxPC and HardwareLogic was atrocious, disappointing and lacking all common sense. Now you're determined to trash talk these two wonderful, community oriented sites. This whole situation would be humorous if it weren't so sadly pathetic. You've really changed Screwballl. And I do not like what I see.


RE: not trustworthy
By Screwballl on 3/9/2009 9:50:28 AM , Rating: 2
After I posted my comment I was "threatened" with legal action by Hardware Logic... I for one know they do not have the legal or financial stance to be able to start a lawsuit (and neither do I). All for posting truth (I wrote those articles and am not getting legal credit for them for which they have the IP logs showing I entered them into their phpcow system, Paul being a major player on both sides and contributing to how things are run at HL) and little opinion to show how I feel betrayed by a group that used to be such a great one before Paul and his swing started pushing me back.
Where I do have legal grounds, if I chose to pursue them (IF I chose to) is harassment by Paul and another staff member of HL. Lets go to Skype and have them pull the logs of the harassment shown "around that time". Let talk with the hosting company behind HL and get the PM logs of the rude and harassing messages he left me. Lets get the logs of the millions of spam emails (which I never got before) with his name and IP on them coming to my email address.
Where would that leave Paul and his stance as a key editor with MaxPC? After something like this gets publicized and spreads online, he would have to stick with HL because MaxPC would fire his ass just from the publicity.

To set the record straight, when I tried to get everything straightened out, I was still an official staff member of HL. I was banned by Paul (or by the HL site owner at Pauls request) and my IP/login redirected to a rickroll site (hows that for real mature). The fact that the HL site owner backed Paul for this behavior, I then left the staff position. I still have the emails with the HL owner (we will keep him out of this for now) showing that I am "temporarily leaving my position with the site until things settle down".

Stinger is lying, there are the IP and phpcow logs with the hosting company showing that I entered and wrote those articles myself, and the fact that I have the hardware here with verifiable Serial numbers.

Garetjax although calm is just as misinformed by Paul and the owner of HL. I was still an official member of the Staff when I was banned by Paul because I disagreed with him on multiple occasions and was harassed by him outside of the site (let me contact Skype or let the authorities contact Skype for those logs shall we?). After multiple emails with the owner is when I officially left my staff position. I still have the date and time stamps of the emails between myself and the HL site owner. Verification with the ISPs is all that is needed for legal grounds.

quakin has always been a great guy and I have never had a problem with him... and yes HL did help out when they were hit with a tornado.
With myself having dealt with the politics behind the scenes, what do you think is better advertising: one or multiple good reviews... or "publicly appearing" the good samaritan and helping someone after a disaster?
This is called simple 21st century PR and many companies and people use it to make themselves appear "good" to the outside world. Appear touched by someones problem and help them past it. It is best to use a temporary situation like a tornado, earthquake or natural occurrence. Make sure it is not someone with ongoing expenses, say diagnosed with cancer and lost all their computer equipment (and possibly their house) due to needing to pay the doctors for treatment (an example of someone on the forums of HL that they did not help with).

There seems to be a real touchy subject about the vendors... it is amazing what a single simple email contact with some legitimate and proven facts will do. Now no one but the HL owner can really tell if vendors have stopped supplying them with hardware or not. If they have stopped supplying, then they need to look at their business and personnel practices, not me.


RE: not trustworthy
By lexluthermiester on 3/9/2009 10:16:58 AM , Rating: 2
Screwball,

I have been through something similar to what you seem to be going through. I was very proactive about protecting my rights. The offending party in question did not know that I was working at a law firm at the time and quickly settled after the facts were brought clearly into focus. There were those who were misinformed or blatantly lied to about the situation, who harassed me endlessly. They were quickly and rightly silenced after the facts came to light.

Now, I'm not familiar with this situation, but if you do not protect your rights, you lose them. Companies know that and if they have threatened legal action, respond in kind, but be responsible about it. They have ZERO right to tell you to remain silent about a grievance you have, unless they offer you a settlement[which will likely include a gag agreement] and you accept.

Regardless of the situation, if you have published reviews through them and they are continuing to profit from them then they still own you your due. Copyright law is clear when it comes to the rights of authors works, you own the right to the work published, but they may own the publishing rights. Still you are the copyright owner of the work submitted. No contract can over-ride statutory rights, no matter what the terms. So protect your rights or you will lose them!

And before any halfwit chimes in and tells me I'm wrong, don't bother. I won. Microsoft settled. The laws protected me the way they were intended too, but that required me standing up and protecting them.


RE: not trustworthy
By Screwballl on 3/9/2009 11:03:28 AM , Rating: 2
I know they do not have the money to start a lawsuit since the site itself is run out of donations and his own pocket. The hardware they get is given to them by various companies or they buy it themselves.

They do not have the money for a lawsuit, and even if they did, I think the site owner knows that there is not enough evidence to charge me for anything outside of free speech and personal opinions, and in the end will end up causing financial hardships for them, including the possibility of having to shut his precious website down, which I doubt he wants to do.

He has on previous occasions noted my patience and ability to gather information, hardly the type of person they would want to bring a lawsuit against, especially with no actual evidence of any wrong doing. Just some hurt feelings on their part.

I know they have been reading this because the posts above by garetjax, stinger and quakindude are all HL staff members... and the site owner plus the above individuals contacted me via Skype IM yesterday (Sunday) when I was an hour away fishing all day (had a great time, caught 8 Largemouth Bass varying from 10 to 16 inches long and got pictures of the 5 largest).


RE: not trustworthy
By capper5016 on 3/9/2009 2:52:01 PM , Rating: 2
You just cant stop yourself, can you? Even after posting links that show you completely contradicting yourself, and that show you to be pathological. You keep going....and going...and going.

First of all, as to being threatened with legal action.....that's on its way my friend, as you clearly demonstrated LIBEL on a couple of occasions here. As to not having the financial ability to pursue it....really? Really? Because "You Think" someone doesnt have the means to stop you, you have the right to spread lies and half truths? As I tried to tell you yesterday, personally....you just bit off more than you can chew.

If you had a problem with Paul Lilly, you should have handled that privately, instead you choose to drag all kinds of people into your miserable life.

As to anything you might have contributed to HL, as I told you, all you had to do was email the person running the site, and they will correct any issues with your name. The software was switched last year, and 300+ articles were moved, one at a time, by hand......and unless you were currently staff, it didnt put a name on the articles.....it happened to several of us, not just you.....but if you hadn't been banned for being an asshat, you would have gotten that memo in the forums.

Again, you dont really post anything credible, and try to paint yourself as some sort of honest "good guy"....a good guy that runs into trouble everywhere he goes, and eventually gets run off or banned.....neither HL nor MPC was your first experience, and judging by your batshiat crazy rants here, they wont be your last.

I wont address this here again, this isnt the place for it. I tried giving you several chances while you were still a forum member at HL (You were never staff). I tried to get you to do research before posting, because you had a bad habit of stuff like this, but you never learned. I tried reasoning with you on a lot of things, but you never did, and still dont get it.

You have some serious problems Mike, very serious, and this time you've pushed a little too far. I think you definitely underestimated my resolve with this, and are really going to regret the day you started this.


RE: not trustworthy
By Screwballl on 3/9/2009 3:05:47 PM , Rating: 2
My last post on this matter:

*snore*

wake me when you have something useful and meaningful to say instead of lying to make the site look better...


RE: not trustworthy
By capper5016 on 3/9/2009 3:05:19 PM , Rating: 2
You're an absolute idiot.....
quote:
Screwballl:as well as contacted a few vendors that refuse to lend them hardware for reviewing anymore after they found the truth in my information, in one case a thermal compound review that was hijacked from another website


http://forums.hardwarelogic.com/f14/33-way-thermal...

http://forums.hardwarelogic.com/14/hardwarelogic-t...

http://forums.hardwarelogic.com/14/hardwarelogic-t...

That my friend, is called "LIBEL".

So what, you were lying back then? Lying now (Well Duh!)? Because besides your above quotes that completely contradict you, I've got some great emails from the other site mentioned, and a couple companies you decided to contact accusing the other site of plagiarism! (And its actually hilarious, because your name was on the emails! And you still tried to deny it!).

And whats particularly funny is you trying to complain about using any of us as a reference! Dude! Stop! At this point....go fishing, get away from this before you do yourself any more damage.

As to me, I explained in my original post addressing this, I left HL last September to deal with some health issues, so please, if you continue ranting, address me as the "Former Owner", Capper, etc.


RE: not trustworthy
By capper5016 on 3/9/2009 3:49:58 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Skype Conversation

[12:30:03 PM] Mike says: Small note... there is a difference between slander and free speech and opinion. there is no legal grounds for anything. If anything I have the right to press charges against Paul and the website, but I choose not to because it is all done and over with. and the reason there was no retraction is because there was nothing to apologize for. The reason there was no response is because I do not monitor my skype unless a call comes in from family on it. i was out of town all day sunday fishing so did not see the messages until this morning. As for "contacting people to stop supplying hardware to HL", there was no such event, you know it and I know it, and there is no evidence to prove that there was. Have a good life, take care of the family... I still have no problem with you personally , just letting Paul get his way like a whining baby.

[12:30:14 PM] Rich Caporali says: fuck you

[12:30:21 PM] Rich Caporali says: Its not slander, or free speech

[12:30:31 PM] Rich Caporali says: its libel, and I've already talked to an attorney

[12:30:57 PM] Rich Caporali says: and if you have a case, go for it....because I'm going to destroy you


So wait, now Screwballl (Mike Kaiser) lied again? No way! No proof that you contacted companies? Wait, what? You posted that you contacted companies, and because of you they no longer work with HL!

You dont have a problem with me personally!!!!????? As far as Paul Lilly, he's taking the high road with this.....but me personally, I'm tired of people like you. You arent smart enough to understand free speech, or what it means. . People like you are everything that's wrong with the internet. You dont even bother TRYING to address the clear contradictions in your rants, you just keep spewing the same crap over and over again.

Mike, You are just plain and simple Looney Tunes Crazy.


RE: not trustworthy
By Screwballl on 3/9/2009 4:20:54 PM , Rating: 2
Read the tense it was used in... I contacted one company (that you praised me for in private, and yes I have the logs saved) which they in turn contacted other vendors at their own discretion and outside of my or your control, who then refused to send hardware to HL anymore based on the truth of the information I presented. I already cleared up in another comment that my post contained a typo and should have read "was hijacked BY another website".

quote:
...as well as contacted a few vendors that refuse to lend them hardware for reviewing anymore after they found the truth in my information, in one case a thermal compound review that was hijacked BY another website


So you praise me for the event in question and then threaten legal action for a website you no longer control or own. I am the loony one?
Libel is not libel if it is truth or opinion.

quote:
Under United States law, libel generally requires five key elements. The plaintiff must prove that the information was published, the plaintiff was directly or indirectly identified, the remarks were defamatory towards the plaintiff's reputation, the published information is false, and that the defendant is at fault.


There was no publishing, just comments and opinions on a website comments section. Not a published news story on a website, which shoots to crap the rest of the elements.

People have a right to their opinions, comments and free speech.


RE: not trustworthy
By hackman2007 on 3/9/2009 5:17:49 PM , Rating: 2
Free speech is only covered under the 1st amendment if the speech is symbolic or is not fighting words, which evidently this is.

Slander is not considered free speech and this could be considered defamation of character, especially since it's written.

Seriously, I would quit while you are ahead.


RE: not trustworthy
By capper5016 on 3/9/2009 5:48:59 PM , Rating: 1
So, now you are contradicting your contradiction:
quote:
...as well as contacted a few vendors that refuse to lend them hardware for reviewing anymore after they found the truth in my information, in one case a thermal compound review that was hijacked BY another website

Ok, so you say you called HL on its BS, and because of your truth (which is evidently different than everyone elses truth), that no companies will work with HL.....what? Now, its because you said someone else "hijacked" HL content, no one else will work with HL? That doesnt make a lot of sense.....Then lets mention the fact that you originally say you contacted a few vendors....and now its one. (and then theres the Skype message where you say
quote:
"As for "contacting people to stop supplying hardware to HL", there was no such event, you know it and I know it, and there is no evidence to prove that there was."


quote:
There was no publishing, just comments and opinions on a website comments section. Not a published news story on a website, which shoots to crap the rest of the elements.

Maybe you should look up the definition of "publish"....because your comments are published here. First you accuse HL (and me specifically because I wrote the article in question) of "Hijacking" an article from another site. Then you say that you contacted companies, and that because of you, they will no longer work with HL. Lets top that all off with your Skype message where you say that this cant be "proven".

None of what you posted was an "opinion", it was posted as a fact, a fact which was refuted with your own posts that were linked, and something you are now busy backpedaling on. As to no longer being associated with HL, that doesn't matter. First, you mentioned me directly. Second, thats a damned good community with a lot of great people. I'd defend them and it to my dying breath.

Everything you have posted here is bullshit, you've accomplished nothing more than destroying any credibility you may have once had. At this point, nothing you post or say has any relevance because you are contradicting yourself, you havent addressed any of the facts presented, and your story keeps changing. All anyone needs to do is read through this mess of a thread to see you for what you are, a very bitter and dishonest person.


RE: not trustworthy
By DoctorV on 3/10/2009 4:15:29 PM , Rating: 1
The thing is we all know pretty well that you're probably gonna try to post ANOTHER reply, only to contradict yourself further. You've already committed all the damage - now it's time to reap the CONSEQUENCES - and they suck balls. You can't have your cake and eat it too - it doesn't work like that. You've displayed a PERFECT example of someone who deserves everything coming at them, from the very first accusation.

And you're in NO place to tell Capper to stop "backing up HL". He started HL, and he was the owner/head Administrator until quite recently - he's put his heart and soul into it, he has every right to say anything he wants regarding/on behalf of us over there. We're an awesome community that's one of the few that has people that AREN'T like you, and we aim to keep it exactly like that. You're exactly the type of person that's infecting the internet.

I would say quit while you were ahead, but that ship is sailed. Now, it's more like quit before you fall further behind then you've already fallen - which is quite a long way. It's evident you have zero credibility left. Nothing you say makes sense, and none of your stories match or go together - you HAVE no story.

Be wise - stop your bullshit and move along.


RE: not trustworthy
By lexluthermiester on 3/11/2009 2:48:26 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
It's evident you have zero credibility left. Nothing you say makes sense, and none of your stories match or go together - you HAVE no story.


I may be a outsider to this situation, but based on what I have read so far, that statement has a remarkable level of irony to it. Simply hilarious.

quote:
Be wise - stop your bullshit and move along.


Perhaps you should take your own advise?


RE: not trustworthy
By lexluthermiester on 3/11/2009 2:49:52 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
It's evident you have zero credibility left. Nothing you say makes sense, and none of your stories match or go together - you HAVE no story.


I may be a outsider to this situation, but based on what I have read so far, that statement has a remarkable level of irony to it. Simply hilarious.

quote:
Be wise - stop your bullshit and move along.


Perhaps you should take your own advice?


RE: not trustworthy
By lexluthermiester on 3/11/2009 2:51:45 PM , Rating: 2
Opps, Sorry about the double post, tried to correct my grammar.


RE: not trustworthy
By lexluthermiester on 3/11/2009 2:42:43 PM , Rating: 2
Now perhaps I'm not the swiftest guy in the world, but it would seem that you have some serious maturity issues. It is blatantly demonstrated in this forum and in the Skype messages you posted. You are only making yourself look like an ignorant whiner.

And just so you know Mr. Caporali, your displays here on this forum and in those Skype messages show a very clear indication that you seem bent on harassing a person who is well within their legal rights to speak of things he believes are wrong. That harassment is very unlawful. It is you that should tread carefully in this matter. Screwball[Mike] has shared his opinion and personal views of things. You and others have attacked him for it. You are committing a violation of the law whether you know it or not. It might be wise of you all to exercise a bit more control of yourself.

From a purely observational point of view, I have yet to read where Screwball has contradicted himself and yet I have found four places where you and others have contradicted yourselves and each other. If I had to guess, what Screwball is talking about is likely to be the more truthful side of this equation. It is likely that you and your buddies have some sour-grapes. So how about you stop putting your foot in your mouth and show some maturity. Or don't, I'd love to be entertained a little more.


RE: not trustworthy
By jay401 on 3/9/2009 8:04:21 AM , Rating: 2
your trustworthy is what? go on...


RE: not trustworthy
By Spectator on 3/6/2009 12:11:24 PM , Rating: 2
Anyone with an i7 who even looked at OC it already knows this........

So the article is more of a. ohh sht we did not know this and thought it was new news?

fookem, slackers. we individuals knew this last year. so where is the news?. I was hoping to learn something about the D0 stepping released this month :(.


RE: not trustworthy
By Spectator on 3/6/2009 12:21:33 PM , Rating: 2
I think the info really is more that.

the i7 design is such that. you cannot lock that speed off as it is related to the Bclk and the default multi for the processor.

Personally im looking forward to 1.3v ddr3. so we can see how less heat the IMC adds to the core temps (you know intel must have put temp sensors for the cores close to IMC).

And how better D0 stepping is. Or how much intel gimped D0, as they only really selling 920's percentage wise. lol


RE: not trustworthy
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/6/2009 1:14:13 PM , Rating: 4
Because 920's are the best chips there are. They are the E6600 of the original Core 2 era. The cheapest chip with the exact same specs as the top end chip. The onyl difference being clock speed which any OCer can solve in short order.


RE: not trustworthy
By TomZ on 3/6/2009 1:21:04 PM , Rating: 2
...and all that at sub-$300. Nice...


RE: not trustworthy
By Samus on 3/6/2009 2:23:34 PM , Rating: 2
It's more like 800 after motherboard and memory (DDR3), making it fast, but ridiculously expensive for most people.

A Core Duo E7400 overclocked on a sub $100 motherboard with DDR2 memory can perform within 10% of an i7 920 for a fifth the price.


RE: not trustworthy
By therealnickdanger on 3/6/2009 2:44:38 PM , Rating: 1
But within 10% of an OC'd i7? ;-)


RE: not trustworthy
By winterspan on 3/6/2009 5:49:42 PM , Rating: 1
wait... WHAT? Even at significant clockspeed advantage, A Core 2 DUO faster than a quad-core 8-thread Nehalem?? I don't believe you...


RE: not trustworthy
By lexluthermiester on 3/9/2009 9:52:03 AM , Rating: 3
Winterspan, Believe it. My C2D E8600 runs stable at 4ghz. My roommate has a i7 920 and we both have EVGA GTX260's[216] cards. I have 3GB of DDR2@1066. He has 6GB DDR3[duh]@1333. On EVERY benchmark for games my system ranks HIGHER, until he clocks his up to around 3.1ghz. Now to be very clear, on ANYTHING that is multi-threaded, his system spanks mine, oc'd or not. So it depends on your needs. If you want a high end gaming system on a budget, the C2D for gaming is the best by far, but if money is no object, or you can afford the price, the Ci7 is excellent all round performer. It just depends on your needs and budget.


RE: not trustworthy
By ExarKun333 on 3/6/2009 1:22:43 PM , Rating: 2
+1 for that comment. I bought a 920 on launch day and have not regrestted it since. Runs (relatively) cool at 3.8ghz and smokes a C2Q running less than 4.5ghz. Unless I have a VERY expensive water cooling or phase cooling setup, a C2Q can't even match the i7.

With the recent MB + DDR3 deals (X58 and 6GB DDR3 for ~220) plus the 920 for ~250, this platform is getting downright affordable with amazing OC potential. Pretty much all chips can OC to 3.2 with stock cooling, and 3.6 is easy with a good aftermarket cooler. Intel made a winner here.


RE: not trustworthy
By walk2k on 3/6/2009 1:43:30 PM , Rating: 5
Prices on i7 have come down a bit since launch but you can build a C2D setup for under $300 - I mean board, cpu and 4GB ram - that has virtually identical real-world performance in the vast majority of apps (3D rendering/media encoding and synthetic benchmarks aside). I don't think i7 is worth the premium price unless you absolutely need the fastest system there is for 3D rendering/etc - or if you just like bragging rights and money is no object for you... For gaming especially, you're better off spending the extra money on a the GPU - very few games are CPU-bound these days, even at low resolution.


RE: not trustworthy
By StraightPipe on 3/6/2009 3:36:56 PM , Rating: 2
Keep in mind with i7 you aren't just buying the performance advantage, you are also paying for upgradeability.

Good luck finding an upgrade CPU to replace a C2Q (LGA775).

What's the news on the new Sockets? The Intel road map I last saw seemed to indicate that the i7 is just the high end chip (on 1366) for this generation, that there will be an i5 or something weaker on a smaller socket this summer.


RE: not trustworthy
By walk2k on 3/6/2009 3:52:16 PM , Rating: 2
That's true but for me personally I can count on 1 finger the number of times I've pulled a cpu from the socket and replaced it with a faster/better one in the same board.

I think it was back on "Slot 1" when I had a celeron 300 (oc to 450, those were the days huh?) then a year-half or two later the PIII 900mhz was out (also the days when Mhz doubled every 2 years huh?).

Otherwise, for whatever reason, I end up getting a new motherboard at the same time. That's also why I generally stick to $100-120 motherboards rather than blow a huge wad on some fancy one that will likely be replaced in 1.5-2 years because of new slots, new sockets, new technology, etc..


RE: not trustworthy
By ExarKun333 on 3/6/2009 4:17:34 PM , Rating: 1
You must make pretty poor choices when it comes to computer platforms them. Many people who picked up their C2D CPUs in 2006 and 2007 still use their boards and and have upgraded their processors from the original 4000 and 6000 series to newer dual or quads. Stop buying EOL tech because it is slightly cheaper and then complaining because you can't upgrade it.

Is a C2Q great? You bet. Would I suggest someone buy it if they are building a whole new system? Definitely not.


RE: not trustworthy
By walk2k on 3/6/2009 11:22:18 PM , Rating: 5
Who's complaining? I just don't end up swapping CPUs very often. Maybe if you're the type to drop $200-400 on a new CPU every 9-12 months, but I'm not. I usually use a computer for at least 1.5-2 years. My last rig was a AMD X2 4800+ that I bought in early 2006, I didn't upgrade until late 2008, about 2.5 years. By your logic I should have dropped (then) nearly $1000 on an i7 setup, but instead I got a C2D for under $300 and used the spare change to also get a new case (that's MUCH quieter), DVD burner, and 1TB hard drive, and still saved almost $300 that I will put towards a new video card, probably in the spring when the new lines come out.

I make economical choices my friend. That's only "poor" if you happen to be in the business of manufacturing or selling super high-end "extreme" systems. Otherwise it's just plain smart.


RE: not trustworthy
By leexgx on 3/6/2009 11:48:09 PM , Rating: 2
Most intel cpus if its 2 years old motherboards you tend to need to buy an new motherboard so the Tweak they did to the cpu to brake compatibility to make you buy new boards (thay do this more due to Nvidia as thay make motehboards that should work with next gen cpus but intel wire it in an way on the CPU so screwing nvidia customers or users with old intel mobos)


RE: not trustworthy
By TomZ on 3/6/2009 4:26:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's true but for me personally I can count on 1 finger the number of times I've pulled a cpu from the socket and replaced it with a faster/better one in the same board.
I agree, and the reason is that 1 or 2 years down the line when an upgraded processor is cheap enough to be worth upgrading to, there is a new generation of MB/CPU/DDR available which has much higher performance. So I end up upgrading all three together at that point in time.


RE: not trustworthy
By Denithor on 3/7/2009 3:56:24 PM , Rating: 2
I tend to upgrade motherboards more frequently than cpus. A new motherboard (of the next generation but still same socket) will often allow your old cpu to overclock faster with lower voltage, yielding nice improvements while pushing down temps.


RE: not trustworthy
By pxavierperez on 3/6/2009 2:28:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
X58 and 6GB DDR3 for ~220


Both total USD 220? Awesome! I'm getting to have to look for that deal.


RE: not trustworthy
By g35fan on 3/6/2009 6:32:05 PM , Rating: 2
I believe that deal expired but there are similar very close to that price. That coupled with a 920 from microcenter @ $229 and you're sub $500 for your upgrade. Use slickdeals or fatwallet and you'll find some good prices.


RE: not trustworthy
By lexluthermiester on 3/9/2009 10:38:52 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed, this is not earth-shatnering news. My roommate has been OCing his 920 since a week after he got his new case[better air flow]. I remember him remarking that the mem multi's and QPI didn't seem locked. Don't get me wrong, I like my C2D E8600, but I'm jonesin' for a Ci7.


RE: not trustworthy
By stinger608 on 3/6/2009 5:24:51 PM , Rating: 1
Ah, If I was you guys, I wouldn't listen to a damn thing Screwball has to say, he has been banned from both MPC, and HardwareLogic for being a problem making idiot!!!!

Screwball, what is your problem man????? Is your life so damn boring, that you have to go around spreading idiot sounding lies man? Get a life you hillbilly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


RE: not trustworthy
By lexluthermiester on 3/9/2009 11:43:57 AM , Rating: 2
Oh, the irony of this statement!

I really do love DT for the incredible amount of laughter I glean from it's posters. Endlessly entertaining!


RE: not trustworthy
By HlTMAN on 3/6/2009 10:17:27 PM , Rating: 1
Screwballl has a personal vendetta against the editors at MaxPC and HardwareLogic. He has been banned from both websites for trolling. His comments are based on personal opinion and not fact. Don't trust anything this guy has to say. He twists facts to support his outrageous claims. Just ignore this guy he is a narcissist looking for attention.


RE: not trustworthy
By Screwballl on 3/9/09, Rating: 0
RE: not trustworthy
By HlTMAN on 3/9/2009 3:28:50 PM , Rating: 2
I have never had an issue with you personally, but professionally we don’t see eye to eye. If I thought you were right I would back you up, I have in the past and you know I don't have a problem going against the grain. Having read most of your comments over the past few months I can’t side with you on this one. I have not seen any personal emails or messages you claim that you have. I have however seen you attack MPC, HL, and Paul publicly. Claiming that MPC and Paul are taking kickbacks from companies is outrageous and I know that’s an accusation based on no fact. Based on your comments and the facts I do know, this looks like a vendetta, and I am not the only one to notice that. Just so you know Paul had nothing to do with you getting banned at MPC or HL, in fact if you want to blame anyone for you getting banned at MPC you can blame me. Although I didn't pull the trigger, I had a hell of a lot more to do with it then Paul did. I have no doubt that you think you are right on this one, otherwise you wouldn't be wasting your time attacking a magazine and a person that has a hell of a lot more credit in this industry then you do. It’s apparent that you don’t know the difference between professional and personnel. Your constant negativity and false accusations say more about you then you or anyone else ever will.


RE: not trustworthy
By jmvaughn on 3/7/2009 11:33:42 AM , Rating: 2
I certainly had never heard any of this intrigue about MaxPC, and frankly I don't care.

I love MaxPC. It is one of the few things I still subscribe to in print anymore. I enjoy reading it cover to cover.


RE: not trustworthy
By stinger608 on 3/7/2009 12:22:27 PM , Rating: 2
Yea, its all a bunch of BS anyhow Jmvaughn! don't believe a word that Screwball claims LOL.


RE: not trustworthy
By DoctorV on 3/8/2009 3:02:01 AM , Rating: 2
Honestly bro, absolutely NOTHING at all you've said about HL is true. I've been there long enough and have done so many things to contribute there (along with enjoying everyone else's contributions) that I can guarantee it's an AMAZING place on the web to be. You simply have every ounce of your animosity pointed towards HL (as well as MPC it seems) because you were BANNED by them both - all for good reason as it looks. I wasn't around really when this happened either, I never even noticed it. Thing is, doesn't seem like many are gravely hurt by it.

As soon as I saw YOUR BULLSH*T about HL (funny how you accuse everyone who DOESN'T bullsh*t of doing so, when you seem to be the KING of it yourself), I had to sign up for DailyTech if ONLY to comment here. You really don't deserve to be a member at HL, at all, and most definitely had your ban coming. There is no place over at HL for people like you man - well, I shouldn't say that - people that do/are doing the shi*t that do/did do is more like it. If that's part of who you are, and/or you absolutely refuse to change it, then please, by all means, pick different sites that want to take your sh*t.

Seems like you've really bunched yourself up into a nasty little corner. Enjoy it man - it was definitely all you're doing.

It's really sad that you have to go this length JUST because of feeling a certain way about what YOU YOURSELF CAUSED, INTENTIONALLY. It's quite sad, to be honest.

Oh, by the way, ANYONE at HL can tell you that every single signature (for example) that I've made on that forum is mine, and I've done it completely voluntarily for anyone that's simply requested it. That's more than enough recognition for me - not to mention for something I actually did.

-Doc

P.S. SORRY mods, please delete my original post, this was meant to be a reply to it all not a new separate post. Thanks.


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