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Adobe Edge  (Source: Adobe)
Is this what will replace Flash one day?

Adobe has long enjoyed the distinction of being the company behind one of the most widely used types of web content on the planet with Flash. Adobe gave the software users need to view the Flash content on the web away for free, but charged developers to buy the software need to develop for the environment.

Once Apple launched the iPhone and iPad minus support and said it was embracing HTML 5 instead of flash, many fans of tech suspected that Flash was looking at the beginning of the end. Today Adobe has offered a glimpse for the first time at a new preview release of the HTML5 web motion and interaction design tool called Adobe Edge. The new design tool is going to allow developers to bring animation similar to that created with Flash to the web using open standards.

The standards that Adobe will be supporting in Edge will be those that Apple has been pushing for including HTML5, JavaScript, and CSS. The software has been previewed for developers much earlier in the development cycle than Adobe generally shows its software. In fact, the Adobe Edge software isn't even in beta form yet. Adobe is offering the early look to get feedback so users can shape how the software works at an early stage.

“Over the last year Adobe has delivered on several significant HTML5 milestones including contributions to jQuery, submitting code to WebKit, and enhanced HTML5 output in Creative Suite® 5.5,” said Paul Gubbay, vice president of Design and Web Engineering, Adobe. “Now, with Adobe Edge, we’re taking our HTML5 tooling to a whole new level and look forward to getting some really useful feedback from the community over the next few months, as we refine the product.” 

The public Preview of Adobe Edge is available as a free download while it is in public preview. The software would be a paid product once it is complete and there is no indication of what the software will cost. Judging by the price of other Adobe software it will be expensive.

The Edge preview build works natively with HTML and allows the addition of motion to normal HTML documents. It is able to add the motion to normal HTML without affecting the existing CSS-based layout of a page. The software also allows the development of rich content using the drawing tools that developers are already familiar with.



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US 1.7%
By Mitch101 on 8/1/2011 2:44:43 PM , Rating: 4
Its been a great run but you've held us back long enough.
http://www.ie6countdown.com/

Thankyou for your many years of service IE6. Im sure China will upgrade when we update the internet.




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By cokbun on 8/3/2011 5:48:35 AM , Rating: 2
i'm a flash designer/animator for 10 years. flash is being used to do lots of things from making company profiles, presentations, games, hell i even made a 20 something episode cartoons on it. the thing about flash that, it's so easy everyone can make their own games, movies, etc. ( except for the actionscript part that is a bit tricky especially as3, i hate as3 ). i've tried edge, its still a prototype you can only make rectangles with solid colors only and import bitmaps. i think it will be a nice alternative for the web but not a replacement to flash entirely.




RE: wgehfwfhwgefr
By B3an on 8/3/2011 7:42:17 PM , Rating: 1
As a Flash and all round web dev myself i agree. As i said in another post Edge does not come close to Flash for animation, ease, capabilities, features. The same goes for HTML5 on a whole.
Also Edge is not even true HTML5. It dont even use HTML5 technologies like Canvas or SVG. Technically theres no reason why IE8 could not run Edge created content, but Adobe seem to have disabled it from running on IE8 anyway as there marketing it as HTML5, when it's simply not. The things Edge can do are already possible with HTML4, which is basically what Edge created content is. And all the media as usual are being misled by it.


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By Fritzr on 8/2/2011 2:28:17 PM , Rating: 2
Paragraph 1

2 instances of "need software" should be "needed software". The missing letters make the lines involved read strangely.




It's over for Flash
By Tony Swash on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: It's over for Flash
By inighthawki on 8/1/2011 7:34:59 PM , Rating: 3
While I'm not much of a proponent of Flash (I think it has quite a few serious problems that would ever make me want to use it) I cannot say that it yet has any true successor.

Silverlight is a step up in many areas, but clearly lacks the cross-platform compatibility and popularity it needs to replace flash, and I don't see HTML5 replacing Flash anytime soon either.

ActionScript, though somewhat buggy and still a little unoptimized, is worlds better than javascript and html5 for programming applications and games.


RE: It's over for Flash
By Motoman on 8/1/11, Rating: -1
RE: It's over for Flash
By Tony Swash on 8/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: It's over for Flash
By inighthawki on 8/2/2011 9:29:39 AM , Rating: 2
You're just being naive in thinking that Flash will be going away anytime soon. I dislike Flash too, but go ask pretty much anyone in the industry of making web games or applications, and if they're at all interested in it being cross platform, they will tell you that Flash is the way to go.

Flash has years of maturity with both a custom C-like programming language and a development environment that is one of, if not the best, content pipeline systems for web applications.

You have every right to dislike Flash and want it gone, I too would be very happy to see a superior replacement, as Flash is FAR from perfect, but saying the things you say make you sound completely ignorant and unaware of why Flash is even used.

HTML5 and JS may be good for making those crappy little benchmarking tools and god-awful sample games that you see as "AWESOME HTML5 DEMOS!" but for making anything important, it falls flat. Period.


RE: It's over for Flash
By B3an on 8/2/2011 6:37:48 PM , Rating: 2
You're correct. I've been developing with Flash and JS for many years and have been using Adobe Edge experimenting...

Edge is extremely limited with animations, it does not remotely compare to Flash with features, abilities and performance.

All you can do in Edge, and this is no exaggeration, is draw boxes and animate them along with text. Thats it. No other tools apart from changing the colour of boxes/text. MS paint has more capabilities.
With Flash you can literally animate TV quality cartoons and draw just about anything you can in professional illustration software like Adobe Illustrator and do graphical effects that you get in Photoshop, along with animation capabilities that rival the best animation software.

Then you have the performance problems, about the only good and reliable browser right now for animating HTML5 (or JS rather) is IE9. It's the only browser with full GPU acceleration, all other browsers offer partial acceleration, so even animating a small square box is very hit and miss. The frame rate can be all over the place. With Flash it's always consistent. I'd also like to point out these animations were possible with HTML4, as they are done with JavaScript - HTML itself cant animated anything. It's a very simple page markup spec.

People have been saying Flash will die for years, and yet it's now on more devices than ever, including game consoles and TV's.
Flash also gets yearly updates, HTML does not, Flash will always remain ahead from this. For instance Flash Player 11 will have access to DirectX and OpenGL enabling it to do console level 3D graphics.

Get the Flash Player 11 Beta and then google "flash MAX Racer demo" to see this in action. You wont be seeing that level of graphics in HTML5 for... well pretty much never. As it would be a nightmare doing that in WebGL and then actually trying to get it to perform well and work correctly in every browser. Speaking of performance, Flash will always have another advantage here as it's compiled.

If there was a good alternative to Flash i'd happily switch over to it, but theres just nothing that even begins to compare. I've even started using Flash to develop Android apps because not only can you make web content, you can also compile to Adobe Air at the click of a button as it's basically Flash in app form, even the iPhone can run these apps.


RE: It's over for Flash
By nafhan on 8/2/2011 9:47:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
everytime my machine slows to a crawl and because mostly this was caused by f***ing adverts!
Don't expect things to change to much, complex HTML5 ads can still slow things down. And now, that type of ads will probably be showing up on your iPhone!


RE: It's over for Flash
By troysavary on 8/2/2011 2:32:25 PM , Rating: 2
For once, I agree with Mr. Swash. Flash is an abomination that needs to die. Why would I want to use this new Adobe monstrosity though. It is Adobe, and they will find a way to inject suck into it, like they do with Flash and Reader already. Hell, if I need to view a PDF, I go with Foxit. Pretty bad when you can't make a viewer for your own file format that doesn't slow to a crawl, but a third party can.


RE: It's over for Flash
By Fritzr on 8/2/2011 2:42:28 PM , Rating: 3
I assume given your past comments that you have a Mac. Your often expressed opinion is that Apple makes the best computer on the planet. Your computer can not handle one of the most used video formats on the planet. Uhm I'm not sure, but something there does not sound right...

Have you considered upgrading the hardware to something that won't shut down when loading a webpage containing ad banners or while viewing YouTube?

I am now using an ancient P4 with WinXP...no problems with any webpage content except for unsupported browsers and the occasional request to upgrade Flash :P So you can 'upgrade' to a throwaway Wintel machine from Goodwill or a St. Vincent de Paul store & tell everyone you are 'helping a charity' by making the purchase.

Replacing the machine that cannot handle your day to day workload is a good idea, even if the new one is another Mac. That shutdown to overheating makes it difficult to get things done and shortens the life of the machine.

As an afterthought. When you are promoting Apple, don't mention that one of the things you dislike is that Flash shuts the computer down ... People who are not converted to Apple yet, may not understand :)


RE: It's over for Flash
By Tony Swash on 8/2/2011 3:47:16 PM , Rating: 2
Like I said You feel obliged to defend Flash - good luck with that.

I hear that Flash will running really well on Android devices 'real soon'.


RE: It's over for Flash
By B3an on 8/2/2011 6:06:43 PM , Rating: 2
Flash already runs well on Android devices. And on top of that it runs animations literally about 10x faster than HTML5 animations on the iPad, and animations that are on Apples own site, which makes it even more embarrassing.

HTML5 animations on the iPad use 100% CPU usage and get about 5fps for even the most simple of tasks.


RE: It's over for Flash
By QueBert on 8/13/2011 8:54:07 PM , Rating: 2
Flash runs well on Android phones, really? LOL I beg to differ, sure some of it runs pretty well. But a lot, and I mean A LOT runs like poop. I tried to watch a flash video on colbertnation.com and it was totally unwatchable, my GF tried to play a simple Flash game and it was totally unplayable. There's a lot of Flash that doesn't run well on a damn PC, yet you're trying to make us believe it runs kick ass on a phone - priceless.


RE: It's over for Flash
By Fritzr on 8/3/2011 1:23:36 AM , Rating: 2
Not defending Flash, just commenting on the fact that most computers do not have the overheating problem you describe. That is a hardware design fault that has nothing to do with Flash or the operating system.

Your computer should not overheat when processing normal workloads. What I get from your complaint is that your Apple computer overheats and shuts down when viewing Flash animations. That tells me that you are using a badly designed computer. However since in your opinion, there can be no fault attributed to Apple, it must be the fault of Flash. I have news for you, ANY program that is CPU intensive will shut your machine down...it is not a Flash related problem.


RE: It's over for Flash
By Fritzr on 8/3/2011 1:28:09 AM , Rating: 2
Oops should have added a qualifying statement...dust in the heat exchanger can cause overheating. So it could be either a bad design or failure to clean the CPU's cooling fins.

Of course if it is a dust build up problem then we can blame Adobe's Flash for drawing dust into the computer :P


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