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Apple has deployed a new quadrilogy of commercials, its latest strike in its ongoing ad wars with Microsoft. The ads range wildly in approach and in factual basis, but all revolve around the odd couple of Justin Long and John Hodgeman.  (Source: YouTube)
Apple rolls out its latest Mac commercials in time to counter Microsoft's Laptop Hunter Commercials

The roots of the "Ad wars" began years ago when Apple first launched a smarmy commercial spot -- the first "Get a Mac" commercial, which depicted Windows PCs as inept and ineffectual, a message made especially insulting given that many interpreted the PC character as a caricature of Microsoft founder Bill Gates.  After a few years of ad beatings, Microsoft decided to respond in like with its laptop hunter commercials, which featured normal Joes and Janes eschewing Macs due to their high prices, in favor of bargain PCs (and often making snide comments about Macs in the process).

The ads were certainly effective in stirring up the internet tech community and they officially kicked off what can only be described as "ad wars".  Now, on heels of criticism of the Microsoft commercials by an Apple spokesperson and pro-Apple blogger, Apple has launched its own counterstrike against Microsoft, airing four new "Get a Mac" commercials.

The commercials feature the tried and true odd couple of John Hodgeman and Justin Long.  The banter is as witty as ever, if a bit vague and factually inaccurate.

The first ad "Biohazard Suit" depicts PC wearing a biohazard suit in a desperate attempt to avoid viruses, while Mac remains unconcerned.  This ad plays to the fact that Apple's OS layer is still rarely targeted by hackers (despite a growing level of application level hacks).  The second one, "Legal Copy" features a Pinocchio-eque PC elaborating on how he is superior, while a legal disclaimer grows below.

The third commercial "Stacks" is perhaps the best of the bunch, as it provides a relatively straightforward presentation of an Apple feature, rather than vague aspersions.  The commercial features PC sifting through massive piles of pictures.  Mac explains that with iPhoto, you can use facial recognition to shorten such searches.

The last commercial, though, goes to the other extreme, leveling unclear accusations against Windows.  The commercial, titled "Time Machine" features PC trying to communicate with his future self by traveling in a time machine.  When he asks his future self if his "crashing issues" have been fixed, future PC freezes.  The ad will likely rile many as both Windows Vista and Windows 7 rarely freeze or crash (no more than OS X, at least).  When they do, it's generally drivers related, problems which are the law of averages, in that there frequency is only due to the vast number of PCs on the market.  With less Macs in the wild, there's less boxes for faulty drivers to crash.

Even if the ads do come off a bit slanted though, as the Microsoft ads do, to some extent, it seems only fair that Apple gets its response.  With commercials like this taking several months to develop, they are likely not a direct response to the Laptop Hunter spots, but they are certainly Apple's countershot.  Ad wars are officially on, and tech fans should have plenty to keep them excited (or irritated) in months to come.


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Now that's an attack ad.
By retrospooty on 4/20/2009 9:33:51 AM , Rating: 5
I finally got to see 2 of 3 of those PC ads "attacking" Mac over the weekend... They barely even mention Mac, its like one obscure line in each. I wouldnt even call it attack.

These ads are attack ads. They have a clear target and are clearly out to make PC look bad.

MS needs to grow a pair.




RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By weskurtz0081 on 4/20/2009 9:36:29 AM , Rating: 5
Well, MS needs to be careful or they will be viewed as the big evil corporation trying to stamp out the competition and have a lawsuit levied against them.

But, it's ok for Apple to lie all they want in the Mac/PC commercials because they are the underdog right?


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By smackababy on 4/20/2009 9:37:16 AM , Rating: 5
Not to mention bundle all kinds of things in their OS. They aren't against competition at all. Nor are Apple patent trolls.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By PhoenixKnight on 4/20/09, Rating: -1
RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By inighthawki on 4/20/2009 10:03:46 AM , Rating: 5
And then they get patents on all of the most generic type of ideas possible, which for whatever reason the patent office allows, then sue everyone else for using similar technology. See the whole issue on the multi-touch stuff for example


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By smackababy on 4/20/09, Rating: -1
RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By jcbond on 4/20/2009 2:00:20 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, they are trying to stamp out competitors to the iphone. There's been a few articles on that.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By smackababy on 4/20/2009 2:17:01 PM , Rating: 5
Actually, they are trying to stamp out sarcasm as well.


By PhoenixKnight on 4/20/2009 2:40:23 PM , Rating: 2
At least everybody on Dailytech is familiar with sarcasm and no one responds seriously or rates down blatantly and obviously sarcastic posts.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By reader1 on 4/20/09, Rating: -1
By PhoenixKnight on 4/20/2009 11:25:51 AM , Rating: 2
They're not really suing everyone else, mainly just intimidating everyone else and threatening to sue. So, they're one notch above your average patent troll.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By zinfamous on 4/20/2009 1:54:46 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
And then they get patents on all of the most generic type of ideas possible, which for whatever reason the patent office allows, then sue everyone else for using similar technology.


Anyone else smell an upcoming partnership between Apple & Monster?


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By reader1 on 4/20/09, Rating: -1
RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By michael2k on 4/20/2009 10:53:25 AM , Rating: 5
Except it's not illegal to bundle; it's only illegal to use one monopoly to create a second (in Microsoft's case, they withheld Windows licenses from Compaq to prevent them from bundling Netscape and they withheld Windows licenses from IBM to prevent them from developing OS/2). Had Microsoft not done that they wouldn't be under such scrutiny now.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By lagitup on 4/20/2009 11:17:51 AM , Rating: 4
If you remember, MS got raped in the EU for IE/Media Player, which is why there are "N" editions:

"Because of the European Commission Decision, you must add a media player to Windows XP Home Edition N or to Windows XP Professional N to do the following tasks"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/886540 (its on XP, there are N editions for Vista as well, though)


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By michael2k on 4/20/2009 1:17:14 PM , Rating: 2
Only after the US case, and the fact is the EU has different laws in place too; those same laws went after Apple for not licensing FairPlay despite Apple not having a monopoly (yet); digital downloads are not the primary means of acquiring music for an iPod


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Karmakaze on 4/24/2009 10:44:32 PM , Rating: 2
"it's only illegal to use one monopoly to create a second"

Oh right. That's why I can install OSX on any Intel compatible hardware, right? I can't? But I CAN install Windows on a Mac?

Hmm is this not Apple using its OSX monopoly to create an Apple PC monopoly (or at least desperately trying to)?

Why is Apple not being forced to make OSX available on non-Apple hardware?


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By CGfreak102 on 4/20/2009 1:23:22 PM , Rating: 2
This is so true. When i go online to download itunes it has to install Quicktime, which i have no freaking use for and i never see itunes use it. Im not to sure on the coding but for one peice of software to be dependant on another peice of software seems supcious to me. To say the least. I mean its like when i download Bit torrent i have to install the ASK.com toolbar or else bit torrent will not install. I thought that was agaisnt laws. Correct me if im wrong.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Shadowself on 4/20/2009 3:28:16 PM , Rating: 1
To be factual, none of Apple's apps are bundled "in their OS". That is what got Microsoft into trouble. Microsoft integrated the IE browser into the OS and then tried to convince everyone that it could not be removed without permanently breaking Windows. They even had people testify to this in court!

The courts ruled that Microsoft used the Windows monopoly to attempt to create a monopoly in the browser market by integrating IE into the OS. At that time, for Windows IE was not a stand alone app. Why buy a stand alone app (Netscape had just started trying to *sell* their browser for $35 a pop.) when you get the browser as an integral part of the OS?

In the U.S. the final verdict was "Don't ever do that again." In the EU they required Microsoft to make available a version of Windows without IE integrated into it.

Is Apple's method of bundling "free" apps with the sale of each computer ethical? Maybe not. However, it certainly is not illegal. If you don't want to use those apps, throw them in the trash and save the disk space. What percentage of Mac users use Garage Band (or whatever it's called) anyway?


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By smackababy on 4/20/2009 3:40:19 PM , Rating: 3
I can tell you no musician worth a crap uses Garage Band. Actually, I doubt any professionals use any of their bundled software. It is mediocre at best and doesn't offer the functionality a professional would expect or need. And to be honest, a photographer has thousands upon thousands of dollars in equipment, why worry about $500 for decent software.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By michael2k on 4/20/2009 11:23:17 PM , Rating: 1
In which case if a photographer has thousands of dollars of lenses, what's $2000 for a laptop?

If a movie maker has thousands of dollars worth of equipment, what's $2500 for a laptop?

In fact, this is exactly what you see; movie makers with 17" MacBook Pros and photographers lugging around 15" MacBook Pros because, compared to their software and hardware, the computer is cheap.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Hardin on 4/20/2009 9:50:24 PM , Rating: 3
So if Microsoft didn't include internet explorer in their os then how could I download Firefox or Chrome? Would I have to get one of those free cds from stores like AOL? What if I couldn't find one of those cds lying around my house and I didn't have time to go to the store?


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By inighthawki on 4/20/2009 10:02:33 PM , Rating: 3
Not sure the point of a "browser monopoly" if its free...


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By retrospooty on 4/20/2009 10:06:20 AM , Rating: 5
"Well, MS needs to be careful or they will be viewed as the big evil corporation trying to stamp out the competition and have a lawsuit levied against them.

But, it's ok for Apple to lie all they want in the Mac/PC commercials because they are the underdog right? "


Ya, your right... If MS did what Apple does - and come straight out and lie and attack on thier ads they would be labeled as the "big evil corporation"


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By reader1 on 4/20/09, Rating: -1
RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By retrospooty on 4/20/2009 1:24:05 PM , Rating: 5
Ya, I guess I'm just not smart enough to realize that Windows is crap.

Thanks for pointing that out to me. Now that I know Windows is crap, I can go see if I can take some courses to get me all smarted up like you are.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By CGfreak102 on 4/20/2009 1:27:51 PM , Rating: 2
Ok so your saying that a very high market percentage has nothing to do with it. And that back in the day when microsoft was getting started they created a superior product and survied to make it to this date. But you know since they hold market share, lets just throw all that stuff out the dam window. Cause we are just a biased bunch of retards with a keyboard and an ambishious mind.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By reader1 on 4/20/09, Rating: -1
RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Cheesew1z69 on 4/20/2009 3:23:56 PM , Rating: 2
More like a smart business man....


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By inighthawki on 4/20/2009 4:16:02 PM , Rating: 2
Uhm, no far from it. You cannot obtain a monopoly by luck, you actually have to drive out competition. A product that has full or majority marketshare due to its popularity compared to anything else isn't a monopoly - this is what "luck" would give. A monopoly drives competition out of business through their practices. Reducing prices or filing lawsuits are examples of two monopolistic practices.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By adiposity on 4/20/2009 3:04:56 PM , Rating: 2
Well, MS-DOS was not really superior to PC-DOS...the biggest difference was that MS products would throw fake errors when running in PC-DOS even though they were perfectly compatible with it...

I'm not saying MS doesn't make good products, but their early victories were not necessarily due to superior products.

-Dan


By Whaaambulance on 4/20/2009 2:20:14 PM , Rating: 2
Oh no, the big bad evil corporation is out to get us all!

Conspiracy theorists make me LOL.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By spuddyt on 4/20/2009 2:58:49 PM , Rating: 4
Obvious troll is obvious


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By DeepBlue1975 on 4/20/2009 10:48:35 AM , Rating: 5
There's no attack.
MS and Apple have two very different target audiences.

PC/MS users want things to be practical, crave for (backwards?) compatibility and are budget conscious or hardware enthusiasts/gamers.

Budget conscious people ask themselves "how could I spend thousands just to use a word processor and browse the net?"

The enthusiast/gaming crowd asks "how could I spend thousands in something I can't even upgrade by myself and which can't play a fraction of the games I want?"

Those crowds are obviously out of Apple's reach.

Apple's consumers ask themselves "where can I get the absolute best looking thing out there? money is not an object, and so isn't functionality, as I don't want something to use but rather to look at and have others look at it and congratulate me for having it".

It's a nonsense to have an ad war. MS Knows it, that's why they don't fully engage, as Mac consumers can't be taken by them unless we're talking about bankrupt ones that need to sell an ultra expensive Mac to have an equally functional PC at half the price.

Apple knows it, but they also know that a subset of PC users are potential Mac customers that just need to be convinced of spending big bucks just to have the best looking thing.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By inighthawki on 4/20/2009 10:55:36 AM , Rating: 3
The problem is there is a pretty large middle ground of people debating whether they should get a mac or pc, then they are given all kinds of false information from the mac ads saying pc's have loads of viruses and junk like that, and are stupid enough to believe it. You would be surprised how many people think that it could be worth the extra money to ensure their computer "doesn't crash", etc.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By killerroach on 4/20/2009 11:02:09 AM , Rating: 5
From my experience, the people stupid enough to think there are loads of viruses on PCs are the same people stupid enough to end up with loads of viruses on their own PCs.

You'd be surprised at the veritable menageries I've had to exorcise from some laptops...


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By yomamafor1 on 4/20/2009 12:47:44 PM , Rating: 2
This man speaks truth!


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By CGfreak102 on 4/20/2009 1:29:52 PM , Rating: 2
i would agree +1. aka give him a 6.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By adiposity on 4/20/2009 3:18:44 PM , Rating: 2
Amen.

If they are "stupid" enough to not realize they are being "fooled" by the Mac ads, then having the Mac is probably not a bad idea, if they can afford it.

I am an IT manager and I see people bring their personal PCs in all the time with loads of spyware of viruses. It's simply astonishing what they manage to get on there. Say what you will about Macs, their obscurity makes them better for these "stupid" people, for the time being.

Personally, I use windows. I can handle it just fine. But for the layman, the Mac may very well be as big an improvement as the ads suggest.

-Dan


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Jonesd on 4/25/2009 8:49:49 PM , Rating: 2
... Until more people have macs, then the nasty people out there will turn their attention to writing for those macs.

Watch out Apple.. can they take a full on virus/trojan rampage?? No.


By DeepBlue1975 on 4/20/2009 8:10:40 PM , Rating: 2
Yep. That's the point. Apple's publicity needs to bash the competition to show people how good they are and why they should spend twice the price of an equally equipped BRAND NAME PC.

It also suggests lack of self confidence on their own products.

What would you think about someone who says "hey, that one who does the same things I do, is worse than me" instead of saying "hey, look at what I can do, look at what I am worth, see how good I am just for myself. BAR NONE"

Even it would be better and more positive to say "See that guy over there? Well. He's a great athlete/mathematician/whatever... But I'm even better and I can prove it".


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Rizla on 4/20/2009 11:07:24 AM , Rating: 2
The attack is there. Its just not as important as everyone thinks. I have no problem with mac, its just their adverts I don't agree with.

Microsoft rules the gaming and corporate markets, not to mention that most people who want to buy and upgrade; customize and fiddle with their PC's will go with them. Microsoft needn't worry. Is every major corporation in the world going to throw away their reliable, arguably well priced, dependable PC's just because of an "Ad War."


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By espress0 on 4/20/2009 5:38:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple's consumers ask themselves "where can I get the absolute best looking thing out there? money is not an object, and so isn't functionality, as I don't want something to use but rather to look at and have others look at it and congratulate me for having it".

If this was politics you'd be fox news. Macs ARE way more user friendly and any prebuilt machine has a higher price tag then something you buy off newegg. Dells workstation is about the same price as the mac book pro. I use mac and pc and I am sick of people bashing mac so ignorantly. Yeah you can build a really sweet gaming rig for cheap. And yes it would out perform the imac. Well what about the mac pro and macbook pro? You are not gonna get a workstation much cheaper on the pc side with the same specs.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By inighthawki on 4/20/2009 5:50:45 PM , Rating: 1
I've used both macs and pc, mostly in school, and i can say that i find pc's infinitely better and that macs are atrociously bad. And no, macs cost a lot more for equivalent pre-built pcs, see pretty much any $2000 pc laptop and it will pwn a $2500 macbook in every way.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By reader1 on 4/20/2009 6:37:04 PM , Rating: 1
"Apple more lovable than other PC makers, survey says" - CNET, 4/17/09

http://news.cnet.com/apple-more-lovable-than-other...


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By inighthawki on 4/20/2009 6:57:54 PM , Rating: 2
You can clearly see that the statistic is already totally skewed since everything that's not apple should be identical, they're all running windows...

Now try to run the same statistics on people who have a clue what they're doing. ie the group of people that dont say "ooh free installation of a goldfish screensaver, now i MUST have that" and install everything they see on the internet.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By honeg on 4/21/2009 12:38:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
everything that's not apple should be identical, they're all running windows...


Except that they're not comparing just the OS'es, they're comparing the whole experience of owning the computer.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By inighthawki on 4/21/2009 1:52:44 AM , Rating: 2
but a computer is a computer whether made by dell or gateway, the only difference in "the experience" is software, aka the os


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Pirks on 4/20/2009 5:48:19 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
they also know that a subset of PC users are potential Mac customers that just need to be convinced of spending big bucks just to have the best looking thing
Best looking? Or having best battery life, or best touchpad, or best portability/thinness/weight, or most comfortable OS without crapware and malware threats which you also don't have to immediately downgrade to previous version like many in PC world do? I wonder if looks play as major role in choosing a Mac as you imply. Maybe it's not looks at all.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By inighthawki on 4/20/2009 7:05:59 PM , Rating: 2
-Best looking? subjective (I hate them, they look gay)

-Best battery life? Sure, not a need for everyone though, I for example haven't gone anywhere where I haven't had an outlet (or even a need for more than 2 hours without one)

-Best portability? Thats stupid. Having the "thinnest" notebook out there doesn't mean crap. Plus have you heard of a netbook? Those are a whole lot smaller than anything mac has to offer.

-Best OS? MACOSX sucks. It has been shown to be very insecure and most vulnerable, plus has a horrible design

-Downgrade? What? Are you trying to make some sort of comment about going from Vista to XP? Anyone that is above the level of an idiot knows that Vista isn't as bad as it's made out to be, and on a high end system owns OSX in every way


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Pirks on 4/20/2009 8:39:40 PM , Rating: 2
If you don't like these non-looks related qualities of Macs - it doesn't mean that other people won't pay hefty premium for them. That was my point - people may as well pay for not just the looks but something else in Macs, such as the stuff I described above.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By djc208 on 4/21/2009 7:28:54 AM , Rating: 2
If people actually listed those as their primary reasons to buy fine. But that's not what the Apple adds are selling. They are aiming at the people who only know enough about computers to do basic tasks.

They see these adds and talk about buying a Mac because "it's more stable" (I'd put money against that one), "it just works" (for that kind of money it better), and of course "it's more secure" (which it's not, it's just more obscure to threats than the PC).

I also find it amusing that everyone is so Anti-Vista when Vista was more OS X like than any previous OS. MS may not have implemented the features as well as Apple, but then Apple has been tweaking the same core for a few versions. While Vista was practically a complete re-write of the OS. Windows 7 looks to be a real strong competitor to OS X interface wise, but that's because it's mostly an interface rebuild of the Vista core.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By honeg on 4/21/2009 1:08:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
they look gay


This makes you sound like a twelve year old.

quote:
have you heard of a netbook? Those are a whole lot smaller than anything mac has to offer.


have you used a netbook? They're painfully slow, and nowhere near the capability of even the least powerful Mac laptop.

quote:
MACOSX sucks


Your inner twelve year old is showing again

quote:
plus has a horrible design


Are you talking about the OS itself, or the GUI? If you mean the OS, then please elaborate on just how horrible *nix is. I'm sure it'll be most educational. If you mean the GUI, then surely that is also subjective? After using dozens of different X flavors, multiple versions of Mac OS, and multiple versions of Windows, my subjective opinion is that Windows has always followed, and frequently screwed things up in the copying. But, as you say, this is subjective.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Whaaambulance on 4/20/2009 7:08:46 PM , Rating: 2
Blah Blah Blah. Just copy and paste from all of your other Mac vs. PC threads. You don't even own a Mac and I doubt you have the money to.

I know you enjoy attention, monkeys always do. So here is my banana for you. Now go play.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Pirks on 4/20/09, Rating: 0
RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Whaaambulance on 4/20/2009 7:33:29 PM , Rating: 2
Poor little guy. Hes so embarassed. He is hoping someone will listen to him and be his friend.

It's ok, you don't have to make everyone hate you for attention. You could perhaps try not being a douchebag. I know that is probably out of your ability, but it can't hurt to try.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Pirks on 4/20/09, Rating: -1
RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Whaaambulance on 4/20/2009 8:53:08 PM , Rating: 5
Been down that road. You are a lost cause. The only one who likes you is you.

It's ok. I accept you for the mentally challenged person that you are. It's entertaining. But it sometimes gets to a point where it is just plain sad. I mean really bro, you need to check yourself. Maybe you aren't as phucked in the head in real life... but I am guessing you at least have a few social issues.

Not that I hold it against you, but if you want to be respected or listened to, then you should tone down your biased self-righteous attitude here. I mean, do you not care that you are universally loathed here? I can simply mention your name and everyone knows you are an idiot.

I am sure you will reply with "Blah blah clown blah blah I know you are but what am I" routine per usual, but I guess I can believe that some day you might actually grow up a bit and bring something other than trolling to these forums.

:)


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By inighthawki on 4/20/2009 9:17:43 PM , Rating: 4
It's possible he's only trolling u know. Trolls feed on that "popularity" of people knowing them as an ass and come back because people give him more to work with...


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Pirks on 4/20/09, Rating: -1
RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By themaster08 on 4/20/2009 11:21:39 PM , Rating: 2
Amen!


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By DEVGRU on 4/20/2009 12:19:01 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Even if the ads do come off a bit slanted though, as the Microsoft ads do, to some extent, it seems only fair that Apple gets its response.


Seriously. Mick, are you high? I know its 4/20 and all but damn.

Yeah, Microsoft ads are a 'response' to Apples bullshit shovelling the last few years. If theres any 'fair response' its Microsoft finally defending itself. Apple can go eat a dick.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Boze on 4/20/2009 12:41:32 PM , Rating: 5
Hah! I have to admit, Mick had me fooled... he almost pulled the wool over my eyes and I thought he'd seen the light, but then he wrote this article, and its almost like he knew that Apple was waiting to unleash these ads once Microsoft fired off their volley of, relatively harmless ads.

I say harmless, because none of the Microsoft ads are blatantly full of shit like some of the Apple ads, but that's all a function of Apple's incredibly small installed user base anyway. A worm attacks a vulnerability across all versions of Windows - millions impacted. A worm attacks a vulnerability spread across all versions of Mac OS X? Maybe 100,000? 200,000? It won't even be a blip on the radar.

And sure enough, Mick goes to bat for Apple like Babe Ruth... ready to point to the fences and swing.

And I wish I could say I have nothing against Apple, but that's a lie, I do. I have a lot against a company that, instead of telling you what its machine can do, it tries to show you how "cool" a machine it is, and how you can be "cool" too, if you only buy one!

Yeah... my dumbass baby sister, like lots of other people, fall for this like a lead airplane. What those people, and likely even Apple themselves, don't understand... "cool" people don't need a certain brand of clothing, a specific model of car, or a "unique" snowflake of a computer to be "cool", they don't give a damn what you think - that's why they're "cool".


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By BBeltrami on 4/20/2009 12:50:30 PM , Rating: 5
While I don't appreciate your presentation, I agree completely with your sentiments. But the same perverse logic brought Jason to DT to provide "another view" to counter Masher's Global Warming perspective. And currently we are seeing Intelligent Design being pushed into schools under the auspices of "open mindedness". This twisted logic is everywhere in society.

Back to point... There was a time when a company NEVER mentioned the competition. It basically gave them free advertising and usually (regardless of intent) elevated the competitor. Why? Because if Macs were so badass they wouldn't need to mention PCs, would they? But they do in EVERY commercial. Conclusion: PCs must be pretty damn good, regardless of what Apple WANTS me to think.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By adiposity on 4/20/2009 3:29:17 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't hurt to mention the competition when they have 90% market share. Almost anything you can do to shake up the market will work in your favor. Apple has been very successful at this and has been stealing market share.

quote:
Because if Macs were so badass they wouldn't need to mention PCs, would they? But they do in EVERY commercial. Conclusion: PCs must be pretty damn good, regardless of what Apple WANTS me to think.


If you replace "good" for "common" or "standard" then you have a point. Apple doesn't care whether PCs are good or bad. They care that there's a huge portion of the population that is buying them, and a lot of these people are extremely unhappy (often through no fault of Windows, some people are just bad with computers). They can turn these people into potential customers.

Your logic is somewhat flawed if you think companies only mention the competition when the competition is "good." They mention them when the competition is successful, which may be caused by quality, or not.

Microsoft airing a commercial that declares that Macs are about "aesthetics more than computing power" must mean that Macs are "pretty damn good, no matter what [Microsoft] wants you to think"? No, it means that they want consumers to have less respect for Apple so that Apple will start stealing their market share.

-Dan


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By adiposity on 4/20/2009 3:30:58 PM , Rating: 2
err, I meant "stop stealing"


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By inighthawki on 4/20/2009 10:09:30 AM , Rating: 4
It's sad how much Apple's ads just straight up bash pc's for problems and such that don't exist. The virus one for example, any average user barely needs to worry about viruses, as well as the fact that OSX was recently declared the least secure and most vulnerable of all 3 majors OSs. I haven't had my pc freeze on me in a long time...LONG time.
The only "real" ad that i see apple put out this time was with the facial recognition, but of course they even had to turn that into something stupid by basically stating that pc's don't have that, and while that's true, they made it seem more like the reason was that pc's were inferior or "stupid" as compared to just not having a matching product. A lack of equivalent products is surely something that OSX might want to look into before stating that the competition doesn't have what they do.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By afkrotch on 4/20/2009 3:05:45 PM , Rating: 5
PCs have facial recognition. It's called Picasa.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By djc208 on 4/21/2009 9:32:05 AM , Rating: 4
And it's free, no $2000 Mac required.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By postwick on 4/20/2009 10:20:26 AM , Rating: 5
http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Symantec_Discov...

quote:
At the MacWorld 2009 conference, Apple had introduced a new business productivity suite - iWork 09. And now Symantec security researchers have found out that the malware existing in the pirated copies of iWork 09 uploaded on the torrent sites triggers a botnet on Mac Systems.

We had pointed out that a Trojan existed in the pirated copies of iWork 09 suite that were downloaded through Torrent programs. About 20,000 users had downloaded the pirated iWork 09 suite using torrent clients by the time Intego reported about the malware.

After the torrent-ed copy of iWork 09 is installed, two new services OSX.Iservice and OSX.Iservice.B also get installed as start up item and gain root level privileges. These two services use different method to obtain a Mac user's password and then take control of the machine.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Boze on 4/20/2009 12:45:22 PM , Rating: 3
Only the potential to infect 20,000 users? And people wonder why Apple can make ridiculous claims about being immune to viruses...?

What decent malicious program writer is gonna spend his time developing for a possible 20,000 users (and of course not all of those will be infected) when he could spend the same time trying to infect millions? Very few...


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By CGfreak102 on 4/20/2009 1:34:00 PM , Rating: 2
Yes i love this. here is another article proving that macs are no safer than MS/Windows. its almost solely based on the user.

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2238866/security...


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By sprockkets on 4/20/2009 10:58:57 PM , Rating: 2
I went to someones house to clean up their pc, and found they got a MacBook for their daughter. I checked out the MacBook because it would never automatically reconnect to the wireless network upon wakeup from standby.

Anyhow, normally in Linux I have to disable the firewall so that CUPS gets the broadcast packets from networked printers to set them up easily. I went to do the same in OSX since CUPS works the same. Upon getting to the firewall though, I found it disabled.

I'm not sure this is the default, but I'm pretty sure this 14 year old girl would have never figured how to disable it.

The point is, Apple is bashing MS for being virus prone, when it seems they left the door wide open to worms. Quite dumb of Apple to think no one would take advantage of that. Anyone remember what Blaster did because the firewall was by default off?


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Whaaambulance on 4/20/2009 11:09:46 AM , Rating: 2
*In before Pirks*

With that out of the way, I think Apple is reaching right about now. What I think is silly, is that Apple is targeting Microsoft and vice versa. This makes no sense. Instead they should focus on the OEM's.

So that is the thing, is that Microsoft doesn't really need to attack Apple directly. There are other choices for operating systems on PC's, so does Apple attack the HP Laptop with Ubuntu on it?


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Whaaambulance on 4/20/09, Rating: -1
RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By monomer on 4/20/2009 11:41:30 AM , Rating: 4
Here's what happens when you tell your customers that they don't need any computer security:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/833/10518...

Seems Apple's idea of virus protection is sticking your head in a hole, and pretending there isn't a problem.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Whaaambulance on 4/20/2009 11:52:08 AM , Rating: 2
You are really using the inquirer as reference material?

:P


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By monomer on 4/20/2009 12:01:12 PM , Rating: 2
Well, the source article is for subscribers only.

Really, the Inq isn't all that bad when they are simply digesting news. They just have a bad reputation for publishing rumors as fact.


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By mondo1234 on 4/20/2009 12:18:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I wouldnt even call it attack.
and
These ads are attack ads.


Sorry, I cant tell if that is an intentional or unintentional contradiction. I think the ads from both companies have more entertainment value than information. Did MS mention Vista in their ads? I cant remember....


RE: Now that's an attack ad.
By Regs on 4/20/2009 3:57:22 PM , Rating: 2
I believe one of MS's ad's had a women go out buy a PC or laptop with 500 or so hundred dollars. She couldnt get one as good as a PC at a Mac store, and quoted "I guess I'm not cool enough to buy a Mac".


Gaming?
By orgy08 on 4/20/2009 9:40:53 AM , Rating: 2
Why doesn't windows make an ad were shopping for games and show that most games don't support Macs. Of course, for the commercial purpose, they wouldn't pick a game that works on a mac to make it seem like NO game works.




RE: Gaming?
By bunnyfubbles on 4/20/2009 9:48:33 AM , Rating: 2
The problem there is that Macs actually are PCs and can run Windows and thus can game.

What would be more entertaining to see is Microsoft making an ad that states that fact...


RE: Gaming?
By weskurtz0081 on 4/20/2009 9:56:51 AM , Rating: 2
Then MS could make an average Joe commercial about how "easy" it is to dual boot windows on a Mac, and then they could also bring up how they can just play games on a PC WITHOUT having to reboot first!


RE: Gaming?
By weskurtz0081 on 4/20/2009 10:04:11 AM , Rating: 2
When I said how "easy" it is to dual boot, I meant that most of the Mac user base probably wouldn't even be able to set it up. I know plenty of Mac users who have no clue how to setup Windows on a Mac.


RE: Gaming?
By VaultDweller on 4/20/2009 10:18:36 AM , Rating: 2
But if you run Windows on a Mac, then why on Earth would you buy a Mac to begin with?


RE: Gaming?
By murphyslabrat on 4/20/2009 10:25:42 AM , Rating: 5
Because the all-aluminum body protects from viruses and crashes.


RE: Gaming?
By retrospooty on 4/20/2009 10:28:24 AM , Rating: 5
Exactly... That is my favorite thing about Mac's - their OS is SO complete and SO superior, they had to make Boot camp so you can install windows on it to make it a complete computer... Wait, I lost my train of logic. =)


RE: Gaming?
By Whaaambulance on 4/20/2009 11:33:53 AM , Rating: 1
You have awoken our forum monkey, Pirks.

This thread is now heading for a massive downward spiral.


RE: Gaming?
By Boze on 4/20/2009 1:08:23 PM , Rating: 1
All hands, brace for retard shock.

Sound the general stupidity alarm.


RE: Gaming?
By PhoenixKnight on 4/20/2009 5:06:55 PM , Rating: 2
I've actually had a couple of civil, perfectly reasonable discussions with Pirks here. He can be reasoned with, much unlike reader1 and michael2k (see below for examples of their posts). The main problem is that Pirks quickly resorts to childish name calling.


RE: Gaming?
By Whaaambulance on 4/20/2009 5:35:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Pirks quickly resorts to childish name calling


That's what usually happens when he has lost an argument or has nothing intelligent to say.

I have also had some semi-reasonable discussions with him, but if you know him, you realize he needs to be right about everything. He will not admit to being wrong and he will fight vehemently over any of his many opinions he passes off as facts.


RE: Gaming?
By Pirks on 4/20/2009 5:55:38 PM , Rating: 1
Your brown stinky "bananas" that you pull out of your ass to relieve your constipation are not good enough for me. Eat them yourself, clown.


RE: Gaming?
By Whaaambulance on 4/20/2009 6:07:49 PM , Rating: 2
LOLOLOLOL.... Hey everyone, our little forum monkey is here. He took the bait a second time.

This thread will now self-destruct in 400 more posts....


RE: Gaming?
By Pirks on 4/20/2009 8:45:54 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
This thread will now self-destruct in 400 more posts...
...but no sooner than Whaaa's constipation is over and he's out of his brown stinky "bananas". Or are you always constipated, Whaaa? ;)


RE: Gaming?
By sbtech on 4/21/2009 6:12:58 AM , Rating: 2
Pirks, bring on the Ferrari vs Fiat Punto. Teach him a lesson.


RE: Gaming?
By Pirks on 4/21/2009 5:31:59 PM , Rating: 2
Mentally sick clowns like Whaaa can not be taught anything.


RE: Gaming?
By DeepBlue1975 on 4/20/2009 8:18:07 PM , Rating: 2
Concerning desktop and notebook computers, Apple's creativity ends there where the last line of code of Mac OS finishes... Oh, right, I forgot it: their whole computers are creative expressions... You just have to force yourself not to look under the hood and keep your attention centered on the surface.

In a nutshell: they trusted their proprietary hardware so much that nowadays Macs are only standard PCs enclosed in fashionable, flashy cases.


RE: Gaming?
By honeg on 4/21/2009 12:54:11 AM , Rating: 2
I run Windows in Fusion because

a) one of the streaming sites I frequent required windows media player. They recently upgraded, and I can now watch directly on my MBP, which I much prefer

b) one of my 401k's is available through a site that only works in IE. Luckily, I don't need to access it very often.

In short, there are some legitimate reasons why you'd want to run windows on a Mac. Luckily, these reasons are disappearing as time goes by.


RE: Gaming?
By FITCamaro on 4/20/2009 10:26:33 AM , Rating: 2
Do you honestly think that even 50% of people with Macs know you can run Windows on it?


RE: Gaming?
By postwick on 4/20/2009 10:38:19 AM , Rating: 2
Since the hardware is so similar, can you actually install Mac OS on a PC...or is there something within Mac OS that stops you from installing it on anything but a Mac?


RE: Gaming?
By Durrr on 4/20/2009 11:22:50 AM , Rating: 2
Apple doesn't support the wide plethora of hardware out there, therefore, if you have a piece of hardware that isn't supported by Apple, it won't work. So, your motherboard, video card, sound card etc etc might not work at all.


RE: Gaming?
By PhoenixKnight on 4/20/2009 3:07:49 PM , Rating: 3
Well, there are a lot of 3rd party drivers made to allow OS X to run just fine on a PC. NVinject will allow most Nvidia cards to work, and there's likely something similar for ATI cards. Most cards will work out of the box but can only handle 640x480 without drivers, much like on any PC.

I know there are also drivers for Creative sound cards, but last time I tried to install the driver for my Audigy, it caused a kernel panic every time I booted and forced me to reinstall. I must say, Apple's version of the BSOD is pretty damn useless as it gives you no debug information whatsoever.

As far as motherboard goes, I know you'll be fine with just about any recent Intel chipset. I know it works on other chipsets, including AMD-based motherboards, but I haven't really looked into it.


RE: Gaming?
By FITCamaro on 4/20/2009 12:12:28 PM , Rating: 2
You have to hack it because Macs don't use a BIOS anymore but yes you can get it to run now.


RE: Gaming?
By PhoenixKnight on 4/20/2009 3:26:42 PM , Rating: 3
It even runs pretty well on a PC, assuming you don't have any hardware compatibility issues. This is why I now recommend Hackintoshs for all my Mac-using friends.


RE: Gaming?
By fsardis on 4/20/2009 12:32:12 PM , Rating: 2
This is assuming you can find a Mac with a decent GPU to play the latest games at a decent resolution and quality settings. Last I checked Apple is not big on latest technology or upgradeability.


RE: Gaming?
By Boze on 4/20/2009 1:14:26 PM , Rating: 4
Are you kidding?

You can get a ridiculously fast iMac 24" inch model with a mind-blowingly powerful "ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB" for only $1999!

Dude, your "Quake" frame rates are going to go through the roof with this kind of ultra-advanced technology!

And if you're still in denial, upgrade yourself to the godlike iMac 24" with the 3.06 gigahurts processor!! It even has the exact same video card! *smarmy, over-exaggerated wink*

Duke Nukem 3D has never been so awesome!


RE: Gaming?
By omnicronx on 4/20/2009 2:08:29 PM , Rating: 4
Games are irrelevant in this situation. Microsoft already has gamers, and Apple (mainly Jobs) does not seem to care.

What they should do is run a commercial with a PC and Justin Long look alike coming onto the screen and JL starts talking about how much different Mac's are then PC's.

The PC then goes behind JL and unzips the Mac Suit from his body and takes it (ala mission impossible), exposing another PC look alike.

Original PC: 'I thought you were different'. Exposed PC: 'I am!, Unlike you, I won't be paid off until 2013'

'microsoft.com'


Right now I have to say, F**k Apple
By DEredita on 4/20/2009 10:09:20 AM , Rating: 2
I am now going on an hour and a half trying to get my Mac Mail to send mail. It suddenly stopped working. I checked, and rechecked, all ports are correct, all setting are correct, and the mail servers are up.

Higher prices, fancy candy shell, same bullshit problems.

They've spent so much time with their advertising campaign, that their quality has tanked, which in my opinion their quality has gone down the shitter with Leopard. Lately, I see little reason why Apple is better than PC. Back in the Tiger days, it was a completely different story, but with Leopard, not so much.




RE: Right now I have to say, F**k Apple
By Alexstarfire on 4/20/2009 11:44:52 AM , Rating: 2
And therein lies much of the reason I don't like Macs. If it doesn't work for some reason.... there is little you can do to fix it. Most of the time anyway.


By DEredita on 4/20/2009 12:31:31 PM , Rating: 2
After tinkering with it, the problem was something to do with reverse DNS. It grabbed some other computer's info, and then SMTP failed to work. Had to change the hostname, etc...


RE: Right now I have to say, F**k Apple
By Pirks on 4/20/2009 8:54:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If it doesn't work for some reason.... there is little you can do to fix it
Yeah, just like Vista.

If its braindead media sharing doesn't work - you can do anything you want including worshipping to Ballmer's statue or something - Vista will just ignore your pleas.

Verified by my own experience, and easily reproducible on any Vista machine. Just try to share your media library when you have at least one public network in there. Good luck with that, Vista suckers :P


RE: Right now I have to say, F**k Apple
By Whaaambulance on 4/20/2009 8:59:07 PM , Rating: 2
I am on Windows 7 and my wife on Vista. We have media sharing turned on and never had any issues with it. I xfer music and video files over on a daily basis.


By Pirks on 4/20/2009 11:13:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
We have media sharing turned on and never had any issues with it
That's because you don't have public network(s) on your Vista machine. Try with a public network, just for kicks :)

Hey, and there's also a chance to catch me lying too! Would you pass THAT? :))

If I were you I'd never pass such a great opportunity to spank evil Pirks and show everyone his evil lying pirksy nature :)

So? Will you try or will you pass?


RE: Right now I have to say, F**k Apple
By themaster08 on 4/20/2009 11:42:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Vista suckers :P

Considering you don't even own a Mac, and you in fact have a WinPC or whatever you like to call it, which you despise using so much as it is a constant reminder to you of how much better they are than Macs, I guess you also fall into this category of Vista suckers.

You do not even own the product of the company you so dearly support. You're anti-Microsoft/pro Apple to the point of extremism, yet Microsoft are the ones laughing at you because your money has gone to them and not your beloved Apple. Well, that is of course unless you've downloaded an illegal copy, which pubescent children like you tend to do when they're strapped for cash, probably the reason you have a PC in the first place.

You're a funny guy.


RE: Right now I have to say, F**k Apple
By Pirks on 4/21/2009 12:32:48 AM , Rating: 1
First of all you loser will never be able to afford a nice Alienware gamebook like mine 'cause you're too poor.

Second, you will never understand that I just ridicule a few Apple bashing idiots here, as well as a couple of mentally ill clowns like Whaaa. You will never understand this 'cause you're too dumb.

Since I don't enjoy talking to poor and dumb people, would you mind if I ask you to piss off? ;)


RE: Right now I have to say, F**k Apple
By inighthawki on 4/21/2009 1:50:42 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Since I don't enjoy talking to poor and dumb people, would you mind if I ask you to piss off? ;)


so how do u live with urself?
Your posts are nothing but incoherent, meaningless, poorly cited, ignorant opinions and garbage. It's hard to be any dumber...


RE: Right now I have to say, F**k Apple
By Pirks on 4/21/09, Rating: 0
RE: Right now I have to say, F**k Apple
By inighthawki on 4/21/2009 3:07:08 AM , Rating: 2
using the word gay to describe a look and saying something sucks hardly makes you 12, but coming from u and him i guess i can understand. maybe not my best choice of wording but what u must understand is i was expressing my opinions, though macosx not being very good has been in the headlines lately


RE: Right now I have to say, F**k Apple
By themaster08 on 4/21/2009 7:11:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
First of all you loser will never be able to afford a nice Alienware gamebook like mine 'cause you're too poor.

If you can afford an Alienware gamebook, then why don't you buy yourself a lovely Apple computer?
It doesn't make sense.
I'll ignore the rest of your dumb sentence as it just about shows your age.

quote:
Second, you will never understand that I just ridicule a few Apple bashing idiots here, as well as a couple of mentally ill clowns like Whaaa. You will never understand this 'cause you're too dumb.

That, and you ridicule Microsoft, PC's in general and just about anyone else who disagrees with you, so that is about 98% of posters on this site.

quote:
Since I don't enjoy talking to poor and dumb people, would you mind if I ask you to piss off? ;)

Why don't you piss off, then everyone on this site will be happy.


RE: Right now I have to say, F**k Apple
By Pirks on 4/21/2009 5:37:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
why don't you buy yourself a lovely Apple computer?
Why should I? You want me to become as retarded as the Mac owning Whaaaclown here? No freakin way! :P


RE: Right now I have to say, F**k Apple
By Whaaambulance on 4/21/2009 6:35:25 PM , Rating: 2
Why are you always on my nuts? Seriously, kid... you need to move on. I know you idolize me, but this is getting ridiculous.


By Pirks on 4/22/2009 1:21:25 AM , Rating: 2
Why are you always producing your brown "bananas" in public? Seriously, clown... you need to move on. I know you're trying to smear me with your brown "product" of constipation, but this is getting ridiculous.


RE: Right now I have to say, F**k Apple
By Whaaambulance on 4/21/2009 6:49:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
retarded as the Mac owning Whaaaclown here?


You do realize you just debunked every argument you stand for with that statement, right?

You're a complete and utter moronic troll. Nothing more.


RE: Right now I have to say, F**k Apple
By Pirks on 4/22/2009 1:01:08 AM , Rating: 2
Out of brown "bananas", Whaaa? Can't believe your constipation is over. Not for long, I'm sure.


RE: Right now I have to say, F**k Apple
By themaster08 on 4/22/2009 3:24:28 AM , Rating: 2
But clearly the circle of eating your own sh!t and dumping it back out and repeating the process will never end.


By Pirks on 4/22/2009 12:53:46 PM , Rating: 2
It could be ended if they ban trolls like Whaaa, potato and chicko. But we need them to get free entertainment.


scary virus and windows, oh my!
By smackababy on 4/20/2009 9:35:21 AM , Rating: 4
Why does Apple keep pushing the virus immunity crap? Everyone knows that is total crap. Someone should write a virus for macs and take them all down at once. Apple Fool's Day virus or something. I'd love to hear their response to that.




RE: scary virus and windows, oh my!
By Proteusza on 4/20/2009 9:41:36 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, from what I can remember in the past 2 years in the Pwn2Own contest, Macs have gone down first, because of Safari. I cant remember if Vista got hacked at all, I dont think it did.


RE: scary virus and windows, oh my!
By Marlonsm on 4/20/2009 10:17:35 AM , Rating: 2
IIRC, the Mac was hacked in a few minutes... A few hours later it was the Windows computer. And they took some other days to take the Linux one down.


RE: scary virus and windows, oh my!
By smackababy on 4/20/2009 10:33:18 AM , Rating: 2
IIRC the Mac fell without allowing user interaction. The windows and linux needed that to be full hacked.


RE: scary virus and windows, oh my!
By Marlonsm on 4/20/2009 11:14:37 AM , Rating: 2
It's just a matter of time until some big virus for Mac appears, specially now that they are getting more marketshare, and it will do a huge damage, as most Macs out there have no anti-virus software because of all these Apple ads saying OSX is immune to viruses (although they recommend using an anti-virus in the small letters under the ad).
So when this Virus attack happens, Apple will say it did warn the users to use an anti-virus.


RE: scary virus and windows, oh my!
By Marlonsm on 4/20/2009 1:25:00 PM , Rating: 2
By afkrotch on 4/20/2009 3:37:42 PM , Rating: 2
I'm surprised more ppl don't use Macs to create a botnet. It'd be virtually impossible for their users to detect, as they won't have any software for such a task. Or just have it farm personal information.


RE: scary virus and windows, oh my!
By fsardis on 4/20/2009 12:43:20 PM , Rating: 5
took under minute for the mac to get hacked without any user interraction.
on the first day they do not allow user interraction and only the Mac was hacked.
Second day both windows and linux went down after phishing the user into clicking malicious links.
Basically, where it takes an idiot PC user to get infected, it takes no user at all to hack a Mac. I guess the moto "just works" applies to random hacks too. They just work.


By ZachDontScare on 4/20/2009 3:05:25 PM , Rating: 2
And wasnt the windows security 'flaw' really in the windows version of Safari, at that? Flash is also often the weak security link in both Windows and Linux.


RE: scary virus and windows, oh my!
By fsardis on 4/20/2009 12:27:32 PM , Rating: 2
40 seconds in fact. Fear the Mac security! Bow down to (hand)Jobs.


By Casual Observer on 4/20/2009 9:43:11 AM , Rating: 2
Just zero your vector table and give yourself a no-op. lmao.


RE: scary virus and windows, oh my!
By monomer on 4/20/2009 11:46:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Someone should write a virus for macs and take them all down at once


Just saw this article at The Inquirer:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/833/10518...


By omnicronx on 4/20/2009 11:45:37 AM , Rating: 2
And of course this comes within months of Apple recommending its users install antivirus software..


Not Impressed
By RjBass on 4/20/2009 9:39:12 AM , Rating: 2
Well I just watched all four Mac ads and i am really not impressed. While the first couple sets were witty, fresh and actually funny, the line is getting old, the ads just aren't as witty and it appears as though the writters are running out of steam.




RE: Not Impressed
By rburnham on 4/20/2009 10:10:05 AM , Rating: 5
I'd rather hang out with the PC Guy in the Mac ads than the Mac Guy. The Mac Guy makes apple come off as a snarky, smart-ass, slicky boy punk.


RE: Not Impressed
By gcouriel on 4/20/2009 11:02:15 AM , Rating: 5
I guess that's the education you get from going to South Harmon Institute of Technology!


RE: Not Impressed
By RjBass on 4/20/2009 11:06:01 AM , Rating: 3
LOL Niiiice.


RE: Not Impressed
By Alexstarfire on 4/20/2009 11:37:30 AM , Rating: 3
Ok, this comment is the win for this whole article. Very nice reference.


Macs more stable?!
By borowki2 on 4/20/2009 9:56:40 AM , Rating: 2
Safari on my Macbook crashes on me at least once a day. With Youtube it's nearly unusable. Look at a couple video and--puff--your browser goes up in smoke.




RE: Macs more stable?!
By DEredita on 4/20/2009 10:10:47 AM , Rating: 2
My Mac Mail just took a shit. And unlike Windows, where you can uninstall and reinstall software, you can't do that for Mac Mail.


RE: Macs more stable?!
By PhoenixKnight on 4/20/2009 10:14:15 AM , Rating: 2
That's what you get for not using Firefox!


New Apple - same as the Old Apple
By Fenixgoon on 4/20/2009 10:22:30 AM , Rating: 2
Once again, Apple is taking the route of painting PC as unreliable and virus-ridden. Not much of a change from their past advertisements, come to think of it, and so I really don't see how it will convince people to increase their computer budgets by a factor of 2 or more.




RE: New Apple - same as the Old Apple
By SpaceJumper on 4/20/2009 11:35:16 AM , Rating: 2
The old Apple was using the PowerPC processor but the new Apple is running Intel processor. The OSs are not the same.
The new Mac OS is Linux.


By Cheesew1z69 on 4/20/2009 3:50:44 PM , Rating: 2
And the older versions from what I have seen were based off Unix, which is where Linux was derived from....


Sigh...
By Jeff7181 on 4/20/2009 1:10:26 PM , Rating: 2
Apple... drop the commercials and lower the price of the Mini by $100 and you'll have a new customer.




RE: Sigh...
By just4U on 4/20/2009 2:27:40 PM , Rating: 2
I don't want them to stop the comercials actually. Those two actors have nice chemistry and for the most part the ad's are humourous. I chuckle every time I see one. The only down side to it all is if people buy into the ad's and take them for truth.

If you want a Mac go buy one. Same goes with a PC. Fact is both can have Windows installed so it's not really a losing proposition for Microsoft. They are in the business of making Operating systems. Not computers.


RE: Sigh...
By themaster08 on 4/20/2009 11:46:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Those two actors have nice chemistry

I agree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JixbzFjv_cU&eurl=ht...


Mac OS vs Windows - vulnerability
By postwick on 4/20/2009 11:26:31 AM , Rating: 3
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=758

Total extremely critical: XP/Vista (4), OSX (0)

And the Mac fanboys cheer. Then they get to the next line...

Total highly critical: XP/Vista (23), OSX (234)

D'OH!

Thanks to OSX, the second table where they list the actual vulnerabilities just scrolls and scrolls and scrolls.




By SpaceJumper on 4/20/2009 2:10:12 PM , Rating: 2
I can predict that all of the future Mac ads will be damage control ads.
Job well done Apple!


Pretty bad
By piroroadkill on 4/20/2009 9:45:00 AM , Rating: 2
Watched all of them, all full of subjective attacks, whereas at least Microsoft was taking the high ground




RE: Pretty bad
By themaster08 on 4/22/2009 3:33:16 AM , Rating: 2
I agree.

It just goes to show that, even though Apple has to resort to childish subjective attacks towards Microsoft to callously lure potential customers into a false sense of security, Microsoft tell it how it is.

With that said, I think Apples antics have rubbed off on their user base.


Facial Recognition for "free"
By db298 on 4/20/2009 10:05:59 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Windows Live Photo Gallery has facial recognition, too.

Sadly not. WLPG can identify that there are faces in pictures, but it does NOT recognise those faces, like the options in Picasa and Iphoto...




Facial Recognition for "free"
By ShapeGSX on 4/20/2009 9:48:08 AM , Rating: 3
I don't get it.

Windows Live Photo Gallery has facial recognition, too. So does Picasa.

And those truly are free. There aren't any upgrade fees to get the latest version.

iLife '09 costs $79! If you don't have a Mac that came with iLife '09, you have to pay $80 to get that feature.

Talk about a half truth in that stacks ad.




Probably never will own a Mac PC
By japlha on 4/20/2009 4:45:13 PM , Rating: 2
I probably will never own a Mac PC. I have no need for one.
Also, I don't like the one button mouse thing.




RE: Probably never will own a Mac PC
By Pirks on 4/21/2009 12:48:13 AM , Rating: 1
What one button mouse? The one sticking out of your bottom?
Macs are sold with multibutton mice, so I'd suggest you to talk to a proctologist, that should help your one mouse bottom... err... I mean one button mouse problem.


*NEW!* Marketing slogan.
By WoWCow on 4/20/2009 10:17:07 AM , Rating: 2
Awesome, now we can finally have and create custom slogans for getting macs.

"Get A Mac: Unleashing your inner snub and snob!"

**Disclaimer Apple is not responsible for any acts associated with snubbing, snobs, and stupidity. Please purchase our ridiculously overpriced products at your discretion.

/silly




At least...
By suryad on 4/20/2009 10:36:12 AM , Rating: 2
...its good entertainment. You get to see the MS fanboys up against the Mac fanboys. Cant go wrong with that! :)




This is stupid..
By Cru on 4/20/2009 11:33:49 AM , Rating: 2
These ads are a waste of time, neither one of them can appeal to everyone. It's like choosing a political party, they both have different methods, but neither one really gets the job done, and the third party doesn't have enough support to be effective.
For most of us it boils down to one of two things:
"Are you comfortable troubleshooting your computer issues?"
and,
"Are aesthetics and ease of use more important than customization?"

If you answer these two with yes, chances are you're a PC, two nos and you're probably a Mac.
The only major problem I have is when I talk to other designers and I mention I have a kickass PC at home and they ignorantly say, "I'm sorry." As if I'm the same kind of goober as them who's idea of maintenance is filling out an RMA form.

I'm glad these ad wars are taking some money from their corporate coffers. All the while Linux slowly but surely creeps up more and more in market share amongst the savvy.




By brightstar on 4/20/2009 12:18:43 PM , Rating: 2
Blah, blah blah blah! BLAH! BlaBla Blah. Blah BLah... Whatever dorks. Use what you like, and don't worry about your neighbor.




Mac doesn't....
By Griffinhart on 4/20/2009 1:18:08 PM , Rating: 2
-Have viruses/Malware... Woopsie, Hello iZombie Bot network
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/04/evidence...

-do not freeze. Woopsie...
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04/18/new_...

-Facial recognition is too expensive on the PC.
http://picasa.google.com/

I think the only thing that Mac doesn't have is Honesty in their ads.




By Imaginer on 4/20/2009 2:11:49 PM , Rating: 2
Pandered to the uninformed.

But most readers here already know that.




Hard to take you seriously
By Roadfood on 4/20/2009 9:12:02 PM , Rating: 2
If you want to be taken seriously, you should learn grammar and proofreading:

quote:
When they do, it's generally drivers related, problems which are the law of averages, in that there frequency is only due to the vast number of PCs on the market. With less Macs in the wild, there's less boxes for faulty drivers to crash.
"in that there..." should be "their", "less Macs" and "less boxes" should both use "fewer". Not to even mention the clumsiness of "problems which are the law of averages".

As for content, do some research; Macs just don't have the kinds of driver-related crashes that Windows-based PCs do.




Apparently
By Bonesdad on 4/20/2009 11:46:22 PM , Rating: 2
I'm the only one that finds ads from both sides juvenile, petty and ineffective. Much like the Dem v Rep crybabies. How in the hell is this even news or even pop culture? Get a PC? Get a Mac? Get whatever the hell you want...it's your money.




this is pointless
By espress0 on 4/21/2009 1:47:22 AM , Rating: 2
Its all about what OS you like. It doesnt matter if your comp is prebuilt or custom... an slc ssd is 750 dollars no matter what laptop u put it in.




Tools.
By icanhascpu on 4/23/2009 8:10:32 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder how many people here realize youre just a bunch of tools giving Mick pageviews and comments for free by simply pokeing and proding at your dislike for apple knowing all it takes is one or two people half defending them to result in 50 more comments.

Its not even about technology anymore.

Bravo Mick, Bravo!




Heck with Microsoft and Mac
By depravedone on 4/24/2009 9:25:26 AM , Rating: 2
As I sit here typing this I'm watching an episode of Fringe on Hulu, downloading songs from Napster (legit) and working on my Resume. And I'm using Ubuntu 9.04 to do it. Makes me wonder why anyone would really need MAC or "PC".




Jason Mick=Microsoft shill
By djreedps on 4/24/2009 10:05:29 AM , Rating: 2
From the article:

Apple first launched a smarmy commercial spot

... a message made especially insulting given that many interpreted the PC character as a caricature of Microsoft founder Bill Gates.

And, when Mr. Mick talks about Microsoft's response to the Apple ads, he conveniently forgets about the insufferable Bil Gates/Jerry Seinfeld ads.




PC IS AN INFERIOR MACHINE
By WhiteRabbitGrins on 4/20/09, Rating: -1
RE: PC IS AN INFERIOR MACHINE
By ZachDontScare on 4/20/2009 3:16:15 PM , Rating: 2
Speak for yourself, shecky.

I've got one 6 yo XP machine in my office that's been running 24x7x365, operating both as a desktop system and as a server. And its still running fine (if a little slow compared to newer multi-cpu machines). And its not some high-end hardware... it was bought at sams club.

Ultimately, if your machine is 'useless' after only 1 year, YOU are doing something very wrong. Not unlike someone destroying a clutch or transmission in a car because they cant drive. Learn to actually operate your PC with some common sense, and you wont have those problems.


RE: PC IS AN INFERIOR MACHINE
By adiposity on 4/20/2009 3:43:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Ultimately, if your machine is 'useless' after only 1 year, YOU are doing something very wrong.


Yes, he probably is doing something wrong. However, apparently he doesn't make these same mistakes on a Mac. So what gives? The bottom line is, with his level of experience, the Mac is a better choice. You basically admitted as much by telling him he's not learned enough to use a PC properly.

-Dan


RE: PC IS AN INFERIOR MACHINE
By afkrotch on 4/20/2009 3:48:27 PM , Rating: 1
Congrats. You are one of the few that fails, go buy a Mac.

My file server has run flawlessly for the past like 5 years. My lanparty box has run flawlessly for the past 2 years. My gaming rig is constantly upgraded each year, so it never makes it past a year before I reload it. My laptop has run flawlessly for the past 2 years. My other laptop also runs flawlessly for the past 8 years. All run XP, but one laptop is on Vista and the other is on Win2k.


RE: PC IS AN INFERIOR MACHINE
By adiposity on 4/20/2009 4:03:08 PM , Rating: 2
lol..."the few". I'd say "the few" is about 80% of windows PC users based on my experience. Nearly everyone in my family and at least half the office employees at work have had a virus or malware at some point that they had me fix.

Oh, it's definitely their fault for being idiots...but they are not "few," that's for sure.

-Dan


RE: PC IS AN INFERIOR MACHINE
By SavagePotato on 4/20/2009 11:28:14 PM , Rating: 2
What happens if they all go buy macs tomorrow and the mac becomes 90% of the market share, or even 50%?

Then the lovely folks that write malware for idiots to click on start writing it for the extremely vulnerable mac os and the idiots are back to square one.

Could getting educated and not being a spyware clicking moron be the only real solution? uh huh.


RE: PC IS AN INFERIOR MACHINE
By adiposity on 4/21/2009 12:25:29 PM , Rating: 2
If that's the only solution, then there is no solution. The masses do not get educated as we'd like them to. You are not suddenly going to teach the vast majority of computer users how to avoid viruses. They are not computer-savvy, and they don't have time to learn more than is necessary to get done whatever they want done on their machine.

Incidentally, I agree that if Macs were 90% of the market then they would have more issues. I think they are less vulnerable than Windows XP machines due to not running as root, but even that has limitations as we've seen.

A "real solution" that I think would work fairly well is requiring all installed apps to be signed by Microsoft/Apple (whoever the OS designer is). Obviously this is dangerous from a competition perspective but it would severely limit the incidence of spyware--and is already being used successfully on iPhones/gPhones (and soon Windows Mobile).

-Dan


RE: PC IS AN INFERIOR MACHINE
By Pirks on 4/20/2009 9:09:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
My gaming rig is constantly upgraded each year, so it never makes it past a year before I reload it
You reinstall Windows EVERY TIME you upgrade some hardware? Why?


Micro$hit profits from crime.
By reader1 on 4/20/09, Rating: -1
By Digimonkey on 4/20/2009 10:21:26 AM , Rating: 3
If you're joking I'm sorry for subtracting a point as I didn't catch the sarcasm. If you weren't joking I'm just generally sorry for you.


RE: Micro$hit profits from crime.
By postwick on 4/20/2009 10:28:00 AM , Rating: 2
How exactly is CLOSING the operating system an ANTI-monopoly move? Wow. You win the "Greatest Lack of Common Sense" award for this week.


RE: Micro$hit profits from crime.
By PhoenixKnight on 4/20/2009 10:28:36 AM , Rating: 2
You're a damn fool if you truly believe that. Identity theft, for example, has nothing to do with the Operating System. Identity theft is perpetrated primarily through phishing, not through unwanted programs running on your computer. Mac users are not, in any way, immune to phishing attacks like you claim. OS X does not magically filter out all your spam and scam emails.

The reason Microsoft PC's suffer from viruses and malware is because they are the most targeted. When you have thousands of people dedicating most of their time to breaking and exploiting your system, plenty are bound to succeed. OS X has consistently been shown to have many more security holes than Windows, but since it's market share is so small, there has been no real incentive for hackers to break into it on a large scale. Sure, security by obscurity does mean you don't have to worry about these holes, but it does show that Apple is even less concerned about protecting their customers than you claim MS is.

And what you are proposing for Microsoft to do to stop piracy is little more than despotism. Controlling what you can or can not do with your own computer. Forcing people to use only a very finite amount of 'MS-approved' programs? This is lunacy!


RE: Micro$hit profits from crime.
By reader1 on 4/20/09, Rating: -1
RE: Micro$hit profits from crime.
By Marlonsm on 4/20/2009 12:57:33 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure about the WiiWare, DSi Store, XBLM, and PSN.
The Apple App store IS locked down, but Google Android Market is not.


By Cheesew1z69 on 4/20/2009 3:31:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
hat's how Windows Marketplace works on Windows Mobile 6.5.
How it's works on a MOBILE OS..Why would you compare a PHONE os to a PC os?


RE: Micro$hit profits from crime.
By afkrotch on 4/20/2009 3:53:43 PM , Rating: 1
The content is controlled by the companies wanting to put their content on the specific marketplaces. It's a hell of a lot easier for Microsoft, Google, Apple, Valve, Nintendo, or Sony to just leave it open as one network, but just about all your content creators would hate that.

They'd lose out on being able to port specific versions to specific regions. Hence region encoding on dvds/blu-ray.


RE: Micro$hit profits from crime.
By Marlonsm on 4/20/2009 10:31:53 AM , Rating: 2
Locking everything down is no solution, people would just stop using Windows if they did that.

While I do agree MS in its early days did let people get illegal copies of Windows just to increase the marketshare, you're taking it too far, thinking they still do it. If they still did, there would be no WGA or that sort of thing.


RE: Micro$hit profits from crime.
By reader1 on 4/20/09, Rating: -1
RE: Micro$hit profits from crime.
By Marlonsm on 4/20/2009 11:07:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
People who use computers to steal things would. People who use computers for legal activities will prefer closed, secure computers over open, non-secure computers. Also, locking down the web and computers will filter out the crap, raising quality.

I wouldn't like my computer locked like that, people like to be free to do whatever they want.
And people who want to do bad things would still find a way to do it EVEN on a locked down system, just like Hackintosh, OSX wasn't meant to be installed in non-Apple computers, but people can do it.

quote:
WGA is a joke. My cracked copy of Vista SP1 passes WGA and works with Windows Update. Windows 7 will be no different, and that's how Microsoft wants it to maintain their monopoly.

Even though WGA din't work very well, it did have the intention of stopping (at least slowing down) piracy, and just like OSX, people ended up breaking it.


RE: Micro$hit profits from crime.
By postwick on 4/20/2009 11:08:55 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
People who use computers for legal activities will prefer closed, secure computers over open, non-secure computers.


Macs are no more secure than Windows PCs. In fact, Macs are LESS SECURE. Mac relies on the fact that such a small percentage of the market owns them, that few bother to attack them. If these ads succeed and Mac gains market share, then what? No more obscurity to rely on.

quote:
My cracked copy of Vista SP1 passes WGA and works with Windows Update. Windows 7 will be no different, and that's how Microsoft wants it to maintain their monopoly.


What monopoly? You can buy a Mac. You can buy a PC and put Linux on it. Heck, if you're ambitious you could put SunOS on it, or anything you want. There is no monopoly in the PC world.

You have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about.


By Whaaambulance on 4/20/2009 11:19:11 AM , Rating: 4
To corroborate your story:

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/soa/Mac-OS-X...

and

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2917

Security through obscurity. This doesn't make Macs virus-proof. Just the small market share makes it less worth it to write a virus.


RE: Micro$hit profits from crime.
By afkrotch on 4/20/2009 4:01:27 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
People who use computers to steal things would. People who use computers for legal activities will prefer closed, secure computers over open, non-secure computers. Also, locking down the web and computers will filter out the crap, raising quality.


That's why companies create firewalls and proxies. So they can use an somewhat open computer. They get to control what content they want filtered out themselves.

quote:
WGA is a joke. My cracked copy of Vista SP1 passes WGA and works with Windows Update. Windows 7 will be no different, and that's how Microsoft wants it to maintain their monopoly.


Microsoft makes money off the sales of their software. If everyone is stealing it, they aren't going to make money.


By inighthawki on 4/20/2009 10:59:53 AM , Rating: 2
OK, so just throw away all of the developers on your platform and you are left with what? An OS that lets u use internet explorer to surf the web, a media player to play music and watch videos, and oh boy a calculator! 99% of the point of windows is to have lots of developers to make it strive. Now quit trolling because you sound like an idiot.


By Alexstarfire on 4/20/2009 11:30:41 AM , Rating: 1
I want to say that you are joking, but after reading your other post I realize that you are not. I must say that everything you said sounds JUST LIKE APPLE though. At least part of Apple, their iPhone division. It must have Apple approved software on it and it's a totally locked down system in terms of hardware. Although it has unfilitered internet, which you are against for some reason.

I say if you want the internet filter you go live in China for a while and tell us how you like it. Not that his idea in theory isn't ok, but you can't implement something like that perfectly without TONS of innocent sites getting targeted in the crossfire. It's simply fucking impossible.

The only true solution is to educate people, but we all know that people don't want to be educated so trying to find a solution is futile. Only choices you have are someone/something filtering websites for you, in which the aforementioned problems come into play, or you do your own filtering and you have the problems we have now. It's a lose-lose situation.


RE: Micro$hit profits from crime.
By Boze on 4/20/2009 1:26:33 PM , Rating: 1
BURN THOSE HARD DISKS! PURIFY THOSE USB FLASH DRIVES!

TAKE THAT PROGRAMMER TO THE STOCKADES! PUT THE VIDEO OF MARSHAL HARRIS BEATING THE COMPUTER WITH HIS CLAYMORE ON LOOP! BWAH HA HA HA!

Also, someone will write a Bubonic plague virus for all operating systems which will kill off about a third of all European computers.


Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By Beenthere on 4/20/09, Rating: -1
RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By smackababy on 4/20/2009 9:39:53 AM , Rating: 4
To be honest, I've nothing against Apple computers themselves except for these kinds of ads. I can understand why people buy Macs. The same reason people buy Lexus or Infiniti.


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By ebakke on 4/20/2009 9:46:43 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
I can understand why people buy Macs. The same reason people buy Lexus or Infiniti.
Here we go again.... [runs for cover]


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By smackababy on 4/20/2009 9:51:31 AM , Rating: 2
I didn't give the reason: that they are idiots paying for an image. Just like the article about the Apple blogger, this will turn into a fanboy fest with 500 comments. Sadly, only about 10 of them will be worth reading.


By adiposity on 4/20/2009 3:58:44 PM , Rating: 2
This is an oversimplification, and surely you must realize it. Yes, some will buy based solely on image. But OS X is a very different OS. There must be at least a small chance that some people prefer it, right?

Personally, I own a Lexus and a PC. My main reason for using a PC is probably that my first computer was a PC (80-86), and I saw no reason to switch. I also used to play a lot of computer games, so that made it easy.

I did not buy my Lexus for image. It was 3 years old and I bought it because it was the best thing in my budget that had a good navigation system (at the time, only "premium" branded cars had nav systems, and hondas were just starting to roll them out in new accords). My car cost less than a new Accord or Camry but had better specs, and met all my requirements.

The fact is, people use all kinds of criteria when selecting a brand. Sometimes they use only the brand name itself (often due to loyalty--many Mac owners have been using macs for more than a decade and don't like the idea of switching). Sometimes, they use a combination of specs and price. And sometimes, they get whatever is recommended by someone they trust or buy on a whim.

-Dan


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By fatedtodie on 4/20/2009 12:08:12 PM , Rating: 2
Uh oh you made a comment comparing something with cars...

Who is it around here that cries when you do that? I forgot.


By smackababy on 4/20/2009 1:06:49 PM , Rating: 2
Come on, I'm bored at work here. I need a little entertainment.


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By PhoenixKnight on 4/20/2009 9:56:26 AM , Rating: 2
Or, for that matter, from places like Alienware or Falcon Northwest, which are just as overpriced as Macs, if not more so. At least Macs come with a unique OS (unless you make your own Hackintosh) that somewhat differentiates it from the PCs.

I don't see why there are so many people on Dailytech who attack every single Mac owner for simply owning a Mac. I can understand being upset at the Mac fanboys and fangirls who just spout out quotes from Apple ads, but there are plenty of Mac owners who have perfectly legitimate reasons to buying Macs. Personally, I find that the persistent Mac haters are just as annoying as the obsessive Mac fanboys/girls.


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By VashHT on 4/20/2009 10:13:26 AM , Rating: 2
In all fairness most people on this forum would laugh at someone who bought an Alienware or Falcon Northwest PC as well, don't pretend like every PC owner is insanely biased.


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By FITCamaro on 4/20/2009 10:27:45 AM , Rating: 2
I know I do. You have got to be incredibly lazy to pay that kind of money just so you don't have to spend the 2 hours it takes to assemble a PC and install Windows.


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By inighthawki on 4/20/2009 10:49:25 AM , Rating: 2
I think it appeals mostly to those people who think they're "hardcore gamers" but really don't know jack about a computer at all, and can't figure out how (or don't want to try to learn how) to put it together. In all fairness if you're going for a really high-end rig, it's very important to pick out the right hardware, and some wouldn't know where to start.


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By Boze on 4/20/2009 12:59:14 PM , Rating: 2
I used to think this was the case, but as you get older, you tend to appreciate things like "warranty", "on-site service", "instant access to human technical support".

This happens because, unless your chosen career involves staying abreast of new PC-related technologies and being able to solve any bumps in the road, you tend to lose track of what's going on in the computer world for what's going on in your field of work.

Its a little depressing for me to admit, but eventually I'll be probably be forced to spend money on one of these in lieu of building it myself simply because trying to keep up with all the latest medical developments, procedures, and information as well as everything that's going on in PCLand is a bit of a tall order.

Likely this is the reason you see people paying $5,000 for an Alienware machine that we could build for $3000, or maybe even $2,500. Some people just don't have the time to research all the ins and outs and want a quick cash-based fix. Others don't have access to a 16-to-22-year old neighbor who would go wild with $5,000 to build a monster gaming rig... although the 16-to-22 year old option is likely the best one.

Or maybe I'm full of B.S.. Maybe 15 years from now, I'll still spend a Saturday afternoon away from the hospital, tinkering together a new Intel Core i97 with 256 GB of RAM and a bacteria-based storage cell with 2 exbibytes capacity and an Nvidia GTLFX 79865xl Mark 3 Rename Version Gamma - which will still be ridiculous overkill for World of Warcraft 2 and Half-Life 2 (because Half-Life 3 won't be out until 16 years from now).


By afkrotch on 4/20/2009 3:14:17 PM , Rating: 2
You don't need to spend all your time keeping up with technology. You simply need to spend an hour researching your parts before you make the purchase.

Sure, computers extremely powerful nowadays, but nothing huge has changed with them. Memory goes in memory slots, processors go in sockets, hard drives plug in, etc.

Simply pick a mobo and pick parts that match the slots on the mobo. I really don't keep up with AMD/ATI parts, but if someone wants me to build a machine with them, I can do it.


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By Pirks on 4/20/2009 9:17:45 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, afkrotch is absolutely right on that. Listen what he says, Boze! :)

You don't have to spend time to keep up. You just have to read most recent Anand's buyer's guide and you're all set.

Just click a few links on newegg, get a box with parts in a week, assemble it, install Vista and... a few thousand bucks saved maybe? Not a bad savings for a few hours of work huh?

If you have lotsa dough you're welcome to buy Alienware or Apple, but if you wanna save a few grands... that's pretty easy way.


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By callmeroy on 4/20/2009 1:29:13 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with the other poster , your post is certainly one view to consider in regards to buying a pre-built "gaming pc"...however, as we get older --- I'm not "old" but my 40's are starting to pick up speed and gain on me...it won't be long until I'm no longer a 30 something at least...I'm finding as I'm getting older I actually want to do less and less on my spare time as it relates to IT even in the simpliest form of troubleshooting/putting together a PC for myself. This is quite a change for me as I used to really enjoy building them actually. My next PC I'll probably still have to build on my own just for trying to save some money -- but honestly its harder and harder to justify the wasted time -- and I know its just an afternoon (figure total assembly plus FULL windows install from scratch w/ SP's installed and full updates is about the whole afternoon gone by) of a weekend afternoon over just buying a pre-built machine. I see no degrading of my enjoyment or want for playing computer games anytime soon however, so when/if I buy that pre-built I'm gonna want to make sure it has some horsepower to it.

So I don't think its being naive or wasteful, being stupid or anything like that -- its just I'm not a kid anymore, my life is more complex these days with much more responsibility not to mention more folks I want to spend time with -- even if that means just taking in a movie and not really doing much else.

My whole view of life is bending towards this too -- being anything to do with technology, cars, appliances, etc....I enjoy these technologies -- but where I'd use to tweak and fiddle with things on my own I do not want to take the time as much anymore to do that.....life is too short.


By afkrotch on 4/20/2009 3:20:44 PM , Rating: 2
As you get older, you tend to find a nice little hobby, that takes away from spending time with other ppl. Fishing, model vehicles, etc. For some, working with computers is just that.

If I know how to build one when I'm 40-50, I'll do it. Life is short, so any money savings I can save now and invest, I'll do. That way I can ensure that at 60+, I'm not still working.

Life is short, but life can't be enjoyed without money. Saving a thousand or more for a couple hours is no big deal to me. Besides, I make a slipstream disc. I'm not spending a whole afternoon building a computer. Let a alone a watercooled computer.


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By afkrotch on 4/20/2009 3:10:41 PM , Rating: 2
Ppl who buy those highly overpriced cookie cutter enthusiast machines are funny. But hey, someone's gotta fuel them. But apparently, they didn't fuel them enough as Alienware was bought out. VoodooPC was bought out. Wonder how long til Falcon Northwest gets bought.


By Whaaambulance on 4/20/2009 3:20:47 PM , Rating: 2
Not cookie-cutter. But damn expensive.

http://www.hardcorecomputer.com/


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By Pirks on 4/20/2009 9:21:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You have got to be incredibly lazy to pay that kind of money just so you don't have to spend the 2 hours it takes to assemble a PC and install Windows
Wake me up FIT when can assemble high-end gamebook all by myself, from parts, like a desktop, and when it costs less than buyng the same machine from Alienware. Until then I'll buy Alienware ('cause buying cheapo Gateway gamebooks is just another way to throw your money down the toilet)


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By PhoenixKnight on 4/20/2009 11:15:34 AM , Rating: 2
I have no such delusions about PC owners being insanely biased. I build my own PCs, have never and will never own a Mac, iPod, or just about any other Apple product (though I'll admit the iPhone looks pretty nice). I attack idiotic Apple fans who quote Apple ads is if they were factual documentaries just as much as any other person here.

I just find it pointless to attack other people based on what products they purchase. If they're smug and smarmy about it and start insulting people and spreading lies about it, that's a different matter entirely.


By Alexstarfire on 4/20/2009 11:49:37 AM , Rating: 3
That's exactly why I don't bash my dad for buying every God damn Apple product in existence..... multiple times. He's on like his 4th iPod now because his others have failed for various reasons. If my shit died like that I'd drop it like a bad habit, but he keeps on supporting it. Ohh, he's on his second iPhone for the same reason, it just stopped working one day.


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By mattclary on 4/20/2009 10:46:42 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
I don't see why there are so many people on Dailytech who attack every single Mac owner for simply owning a Mac


It's the smell of vinegar. It drives us nuts.


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By Boze on 4/20/2009 1:05:04 PM , Rating: 2
Ironically a 2% vinegar solution in water is one of the most gentle cleansers you can use on your skin, since your skin is acidic (normal pH for most humans is around 5.5 if I recall, but hovers anywhere from 7 down to around 3.2, I quote from memory, so please excuse any errors).

As long as you rinse well, it leaves no smell on your hair or skin. Not sure why your comment reminded me of this... :)


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By xti on 4/20/2009 12:32:27 PM , Rating: 2
i have a g35 and wouldnt touch a mac.


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By rburnham on 4/20/2009 10:07:59 AM , Rating: 2
I don't buy anything based on advertisements from the company trying to sell their product. Advertisement in general is a waste of time, at least when it comes to trying to convince half-way intelligent people to buy. Those people actually read reviews and do some level of research before buying things. There is a reason why I read several PC-related magazines each month.


By murphyslabrat on 4/20/2009 10:23:25 AM , Rating: 3
But these adds aren't aimed at "half-way intelligent" people. They're aimed at the uninformed or the idiot, the person who isn't going to ask questions about what they hear. That's the scary thing about Mac's commercials: they're commoditizing ignorance.


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By FITCamaro on 4/20/2009 10:25:17 AM , Rating: 2
Many people who buy Macs clearly do.

When Oreo started running their new commercials, I was like "Hey. I haven't had Oreos in a while. They're the f*cking sh*t." So I went and bought Oreos.

And damn does that new Hardees commercial make me want to buy that burger. Or at least do something with her involving meat.


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By inighthawki on 4/20/2009 10:52:25 AM , Rating: 2
Well I think there's a small difference between oreos and burgers (food, which appeals to everybody) and a technology ad bashing the competition. I think a lot of people would buy food if given the opportunity after seeing a commercial mostly because food is something that appeals to us almost all the time, and seeing something can make us crave it. Seeing an apple commercial for a mac doesn't quite do the same effect...


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By michael2k on 4/20/09, Rating: 0
RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By fsardis on 4/20/2009 12:25:47 PM , Rating: 5
And based on the Apple adverts, those who will end up buying a Mac will be even more uninformed.
No need for antivirus? ORLY?
We never crash? ORLY?
We are more secure? ORLY?

Should we remind the results of various security competitions? Or perhaps we should refresh our memory on how Apple ported Safari to Windows only to find a major security hole 2 weeks later. Yeah, we are so well informed because of the Apple adverts.


RE: Does anyone really give a sh*t?
By michael2k on 4/20/09, Rating: -1