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2010 Acura TL
Honda says it knows how to build hybrids

Today, just about every major automaker that operates in the U.S. has a hybrid vehicle or has announced plans to bring one to market. With the Detroit International Auto Show in full swing, many of the announcements have come over the last week. Earlier this week, Toyota unveiled the concept car for a new hybrid that will be smaller and cheaper than the Prius called the FT-CH.

Acura has also announced at the NAIAS that it will be getting a hybrid as well according to Autoblog. According to the enthusiast site, the TSX or larger TL would make prime targets for a hybrid system.

Honda says that it knows how to build hybrids as well as anyone and points to the fact that it developed the Honda EV Plus electric vehicle in the 1990's and sold the car to individual users in California. As it is now, at the time the car was introduced the battery technology was the limiting factor for full EVs.

Honda's Tankanobu Ito said, "We continue to believe that a fuel cell electric vehicle is the ultimate solution to reduce CO2 emissions. A fuel cell car IS a full electric vehicle. But rather than use electricity from the grid, a fuel cell vehicle generates electricity on board and refills more quickly.”

Ito added, “The development cost must come down and there must be a major expansion of the hydrogen fueling infrastructure. But make no mistake. As a vehicle, the Honda FCX Clarity is ready now. Further, Honda is unique in making long-term investments to develop the refueling infrastructure for alternative fuel vehicle."

Honda is also looking to go green at its L.A. R&D center. The company will be installing a next-generation solar hydrogen station at its R&D center. The system is designed for the daily refueling of a fuel cell electric vehicle. The device is sized to fit into the garage of a homeowner and the design eliminates the compressor.

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By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 1/13/2010 12:16:23 PM , Rating: 5
Okay, all the Honda owners on this side, all the Toyota Hybrid owners over there, the Diesel people over there, and the American ICE drivers who don't give a damn about tree huggers over there. Now, everyone post a bunch of crap that no one reads, and put money in the pockets of the "writers".

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RE: Firsties
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 1/13/2010 12:18:43 PM , Rating: 2
But seriously, Honda has made hybrids for years. They just mistakenly market them as performance enhancers. But the additional horsepower you get from the electrics is far outweighed by the weight of the whole system, so they were pulled.

Toyota knows how to make one that gets good fuel mileage at least in spite of the weight.

RE: Firsties
By dubldwn on 1/13/2010 12:25:48 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I think the CR-Z will fall into the same trap as the Accord hybrid– trying to enhance performance and fuel economy, failing at both. I think they could do that, but they need to use much more powerful electric motors and larger batteries, which would obviously make them more expensive. The reality was if you drove an Accord hybrid fast, it had bad fuel economy, but it wasn’t really that fast.

RE: Firsties
By Flunk on 1/13/2010 12:48:37 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed, the fuel ecomony for the CR-Z isn't very impressive. Nor is the horsepower rating. I recently bought a Mazda 3 (2.0L Gas) which has nearly as good fuel economy as the CR-Z and 148HP which handly beats the CR-Z. I can't imagine the CR-Z is going to be any lighter either.

I can seem why people might buy a CR-Z because of the looks but as for efficiency a gas-powered small car is just as good, possibly better if you need cargo space.

RE: Firsties
By Keeir on 1/13/2010 2:03:06 PM , Rating: 2
As a bit of a defense of the US Market Accord Hybrid

It was actually a decent car all around and did get good fuel economy for comparable cars of the time (V6 Family Sedans. Remember, the Accord Hybrid had a V6).

In my mind the issue was the high price of entry which significantly reduced the value proposition. It really didn't help the Accord Hybrid was really only availible as an option to the top make Accord. Even if one was look for a little luxury, the Accord Hybrid was loaded with alot of stuff that wasn't really needed. With the Hybrid system, it was pushing well into the entry market for luxury cars.

But thats kinda what happens. Honda's IMA system is not designed around US driving habits and get continuely killed by the EPA rating systems. Even though its inexpensive, its doesn't really add value. (Toyota learned this and has progressively increased the electrical motor power and torque through the US market generations, leading to progressively improving EPA ratings)

RE: Firsties
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Acura is out
By dubldwn on 1/13/2010 12:18:52 PM , Rating: 2
Imo, Acuras new body styles are incredibly ugly. I had two Acuras in the past (gsr/rsx-s) and loved them. But they’ve been passed by in drivetrains and style. No RWD on their larger cars means I can’t really give them a look. SH-AWD is nice, but it adds too much weight.

And by the way, what hybrid system? The 2005 Honda Accord hybrid failed.

RE: Acura is out
By Smartless on 1/13/2010 1:20:42 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah with Honda its usually hit or miss. One generation they have a nice body style, wait three years and a nice one comes out. At least it always drives like a Honda which I've always loved though I have a Mazda 6. Dream car, would be Mazda suspension and body, Honda engine, Lexus rust-proof paint and interior, at at Nissan pricing. lol.

And dude, the Accord Hybrid isn't the only one they had. Insight was the first released in America. Civic was no. 1 before the Prius.

RE: Acura is out
By dubldwn on 1/13/2010 4:40:07 PM , Rating: 2
the Accord Hybrid isn't the only one they had

I know, but Honda wouldn't put the system from the Insight in a TL or TSX. They need another one with a larger motor and battery.

Terrible looks
By hashish2020 on 1/13/2010 7:03:02 PM , Rating: 2
The new Acuras look like they have a cleft pallet

RE: Terrible looks
By hellokeith on 1/13/2010 9:30:29 PM , Rating: 2
It's refreshing to hear from Acura owners AND non-Acura owners, all agreeing that Acura has lost its way on design. I've had my Acura for 11 years and love it. People still tell me out of the blue how nice my car looks, can't believe it is that old.

These new Acura's kinda remind me of that Simpsons episode where Homer got to design his own car. It tanked and ruined his brother, because it was ugly and darn expensive. Acura should take a lesson from Homer, otherwise they'll be saying "doh" in a few years at their bankruptcy hearing.

Hydrogen won't work
By twhittet on 1/13/2010 12:15:42 PM , Rating: 3
Until we make electrolysis more efficient - I don't see it happening. Biological or other sources of hydrogen aren't exactly great yet either.

Haha, great pic
By donjuancarlos on 1/13/2010 2:15:00 PM , Rating: 1
I love the fact that the pic of the TL is taken at night. Helps soften the ugliness of the car. Such a shame as the previous generation TL was my number 1 choice for a new car.

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