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Acura NSX concept as seen in the upcoming "Avengers" movie.
Honda to deliver long awaited-NSX successor

It's likely that many enthusiasts thought this day would never come. The NSX has been long gone from Acura lineup and other vehicles aimed at enthusiasts like the Acura Integra, Honda Prelude, and Honda S2000 have been axed over the years. But Honda is now looking for a bit of redemption and announced that it will unveil a concept version of the next generation NSX at the Detroit Auto Show.
 
Although Honda isn't yet revealing powertrain details, Car and Driver states that a mid-mounted V6 engine that is paired with a hybrid system will power the new NSX. The gasoline engine will power the power the rear wheels, while an electric motor will be mounted at each front wheel. Honda is said to have developed a seven-speed dual-clutch transmission for the new NSX.
 
Honda’s 3.7-liter V6 is good for at least 300hp by itself, so we’re hoping to see more than 400hp when the electric motors are taken into account.
 
As for the styling of the vehicle, Car and Driver says that the new NSX will feature styling similar to Tony's Starks vehicle of choice in the new Avengers movie.

 
In other news, Acura also confirmed that it would debut the ILX concept sedan in January. The ILX will based on the current generation Honda Civic platform, and will offer a choice of a 2.0-liter or 2.4-liter four-cylinder engines. It will also be made available with the Civic's hyrid powertrain paired with a CVT.

The ILX will do battle in the U.S. with the Lexus HS 250h, Lexus CT 200h, and the BMW 1-Series in the luxury market. Hopefully, however, the ILX will see its sales mirror the CT 200h instead of the laggard HS 250h. The base configuration will be priced "well below $30,000" according to Inside Line.
 
"Acura has a steady cadence of exciting new models coming to market and it will all begin in Detroit," said Jeff Conrad, vice president and general manager of Acura sales and service.
 
"From the all-new Acura ILX at the gateway of the lineup to the pinnacle of performance with the Acura NSX Concept, Acura vehicles are being created for luxury customers who aspire to the highest levels of quality and value, with beautiful styling and the right balance of technology, performance and environmental responsibility."
 
Honda last teased enthusiasts with its EV-STER concept, which is an all-electric, RWD roadster.

Sources: Honda, Car and Driver, Inside Line



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<W>
By vapore0n on 12/12/2011 8:01:06 AM , Rating: 3
Hopefully it wont have the beaver tooth.

Given Acura's record of putting ugly cars lately, it will :(




RE: <W>
By steven975 on 12/12/2011 8:27:15 AM , Rating: 2
Yea, the Acura beak is ugly.

I (and other NSX enthusiasts) were hoping for a V-10 (which was developed for the HSV) or a V-8. So, the V-6 was unexpected, but perhaps that could put the car's price into a somewhat-accessible realm.

I'm curious if they will use a new V6 or just recycle the J series. The J series is quite impressive for a SOHC design with a valvetrain designed for fuel economy. The NSX would necessarily need a true DOHC i-VTEC system, which would mean a new engine family. A 3.5L, given modern ECU programming and Honda's ability to manufacture some of the highest-flowing factory heads out there could very well put the engine at 400HP or more, plus the electric motors. I'm pretty sure in this case the hybrid will serve a performance (just like Lexus) function and an economy function.


RE: <W>
By MrTeal on 12/12/2011 9:12:28 AM , Rating: 2
The NSX has always been a midengine V6 though.

I'm not surprised that they went back to a V6 for the new model. I just hope they can keep it around the 3000lbs mark and keep the chassis stiffness the old model used to have. I could never afford an NSX when the original was available, I'd love to get the chance to own something comparable now and not some neutered version.


RE: <W>
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 12/12/2011 9:15:45 AM , Rating: 2
This will be around $90,000 to $100,000, so keep saving :)


RE: <W>
By retrospooty on 12/12/2011 9:17:58 AM , Rating: 2
Ya, hopefully... Prepare for disappointment though. As you know, lately Honda/Acura has alot of butt's. Its good, but... It has this but... There is always a butt.


RE: <W>
By retrospooty on 12/12/2011 9:20:44 AM , Rating: 2
With that said... The butt end of this concept car looks really cool. I like it. =)


RE: <W>
By Operandi on 12/12/2011 1:27:26 PM , Rating: 2
What??

It's butt is almost as ugly as its face.


RE: <W>
By retrospooty on 12/12/2011 1:42:54 PM , Rating: 2
Xacles disease?


RE: <W>
By Sunrise089 on 12/12/2011 2:20:43 PM , Rating: 2
It kind of doesn't matter to me if the price is in the "accessible" realm unless that was $45,000 and not $90,000. People who want all-around performance and can spend $50,000 can buy a Corvette Z06. If they don't like that nameplate or the interior they can buy a Nissan GTR. Both of those cars have such amazing bang-for-the-buck quotients that there isn't too much room for an Acura to compete. You can try to go up market but you run into either impossibly cool (Aston V8 Vantage), impossibly fast (911 Turbo), or the combination of them (Audi R8).

I think Toyota actually did the right thing and didn't even try. They made their all-out LF-A knowing they would get zero sales considering the price, but they treated it like a marketing exercise.

Since flashy green folks can already drive a Tesla Roadster and impress their friends there is zero market for a $100,000 Acura with 400hp.


RE: <W>
By FITCamaro on 12/12/2011 9:47:51 AM , Rating: 4
I largely agree with you. On that concept it looks good. But yeah Acura's cars got a whole lot of ugly in recent years. Shame since they had such good looking cars in the early 2000s.

If they release this thing with a 300 V6 I'm going to laugh. How many years and the same power levels? Sure its light but still. At least throw a single turbo on it.

But for the price this thing will be, it'll price itself out of the market. Why buy a $90-100,000 Acura that weighs 3000 pounds and only has 300-400 horsepower when you can get a Corvette Z06 that weighs that and has 500 hp and can get 27 mpg to boot for $75,000?


RE: <W>
By Spuke on 12/12/2011 10:07:17 AM , Rating: 2
Even Lotus had to put out a supercharged version. Lightweight isn't everything. It will be nice to see this car return to the market but I think it will be a flop.


RE: <W>
By Reclaimer77 on 12/12/2011 3:35:01 PM , Rating: 2
Personally I always felt the NSX was overrated. Yes it looks great, and yes it handled great, but for that kind of money a 260-300HP V-Tech V6 just didn't cut it. And it sure as hell doesn't cut it in 2011.

If this is Honda's idea of a return to performance, something they USED to be good at, then I think they're in for a rude awakening.


RE: <W>
By chewietobbacca on 12/12/2011 8:33:32 PM , Rating: 2
The car debuted in 1990. At the time, 270 horsepower in a mid engine all aluminum car was unheard of for the price.

That Acura/Honda did nothing to improve it over the years is their fault but the car was revolutionary on its debut


RE: <W>
By Reclaimer77 on 12/12/2011 9:26:05 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah it was the king of mid engined all aluminum cars for the price. Oh wait, it was the ONLY one lol. I think you're missing the point. It just never had the horsepower something of it's price range dictated it should. In my opinion it was overrated. People called it a "supercar", but come on. Supercar?? It was hideously overpriced for what you got.


RE: <W>
By YashBudini on 12/12/2011 11:52:59 PM , Rating: 1
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Oh wait, it was the ONLY one lol.

More exotic cars often have some soft of show off engineering feat to distinguish themselves from the pack. With Porsche it was rear engine rear drive, and with Vette's it was a fiberglass body. Are you laughing at them as well since they are also "only ones?"


RE: <W>
By Reclaimer77 on 12/13/2011 11:37:18 AM , Rating: 1
You really are an idiot. I pointed it out because when he says "it was the best all aluminum...", that doesn't hold much weight when it's the ONLY one. It's like saying the DMC-12 DeLorean was a great car because it's body was made of stainless steel. Nobody did that before, so it must be significant! Well no, not really.

It's like calling a car "best in class" because it's the ONLY one in that class.

The NSX was neither exotic nor was it remarkable in any way for, and I emphasize this again, THAT kind of money. Putting an engine behind the driver might be a big deal for a Honda, but it's neither revolutionary or unique. The Toyota MR2 was doing it LONG before Honda did.

Do I have to fucking explain everything to your stupid ass? You're so combative you have to look for holes in everything I say, to the point that your reading comprehension fails completely.


RE: <W>
By YashBudini on 12/13/2011 2:21:27 PM , Rating: 2
So it's this:
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when it's the ONLY one

but not exotic. Yeah, that follows:

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you have to look for holes in everything I say,

Look for them? They're slapping the entire audience in the face. Not to mention you used that very technique only yesterday, which is probably why you came to this conclusion.

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Do I have to fxxking explain everything to your stupid ass?

Yes, and to others as well. If for no other reason than sheer entertainment value of it all.

As for your knowledge of the DeLorean:
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The GRP body, which incorporated sections of expanded poyurethane foam for added strength and safety, was then mounted to the chassis. The foam also dampened vibration and road noise. Finally, the GRP moulds were covered with stainless steel body panels.

http://antholonet.com/EngineersCars/DeLorean/delor...


Isn't that convenient?....
By Apone on 12/12/2011 12:08:47 PM , Rating: 2
Well well Acura, isn't that convenient that your conservative mentality will continue to omit the chance of a V-8 making it inside the next-gen NSX considering the advent of hybrid systems and electric motors. How do you honestly expect to offer solid competition against BMW, Infiniti, and Audi if you continue to push front-wheel drive, lame-a$$ 4-cylinder turbo engines and fugly styling? Seriously grow a pair and pour your engineering heart into this next-gen NSX if you want to be taken seriously!




RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By YashBudini on 12/12/2011 8:50:10 PM , Rating: 2
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Seriously grow a pair

I'd like some Honda historian fanatic to come along and tell us why and how Honda lost their original pair. What happened? Who left? Or who came in and changed things? Or were they near or at the top too long and then rested on their laurels?

It's not limited to cars either. Motorcycle innovation has ceased. Big V-twins, everybody has a "Me-too-cycle" and little else.

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and pour your engineering heart into this


I wonder who gets paid more these days, the engineers or the marketing people.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Reclaimer77 on 12/12/2011 9:38:21 PM , Rating: 2
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I'd like some Honda historian fanatic to come along and tell us why and how Honda lost their original pair. What happened? Who left? Or who came in and changed things? Or were they near or at the top too long and then rested on their laurels?


I think it's funny how you'll attack me for being against increasing CAFE standards, but then make a post like this.

Yeah I wonder what happened to Honda and all those sports cars...hmmm. Or even sports cars in general. Man it's such a mystery. I just can't figure it out!

It's almost as if, magically for some reason, they and everyone else decided to start focusing on economy cars, hybrids, and boring sedans instead of sports cars.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By YashBudini on 12/12/2011 11:43:48 PM , Rating: 2
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I think it's funny how you'll attack me for being against increasing CAFE standards, but then make a post like this.


Non-sequitur

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Yeah I wonder what happened to Honda and all those sports cars...hmmm. Or even sports cars in general. Man it's such a mystery. I just can't figure it out!

So with your logic Mazda must be ready to file for bankruptcy.

Once an extremist always an extremist.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Reclaimer77 on 12/13/2011 2:52:30 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
So with your logic Mazda must be ready to file for bankruptcy.


No. How do you figure that's my logic? But aside from the Miata, consider this. Gone are the Mazdaspeed Turbo Protege's. Gone are the RX7 and RX8. "ZoomZoom" appears to have taken a serious hit as of late.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By YashBudini on 12/13/2011 10:54:13 AM , Rating: 1
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"ZoomZoom" appears to have taken a serious hit as of late.

And that doesn't reflect economic changes? Maybe in an extremist's world.

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Gone are the RX7 and RX8.

Mustangs and Corvettes seem to be around. Camaros have returned. There are more engines out there in the 500+HP arena than there were at any other time. But citing the RX7 & 8 no model lasts forever. That's the grey reality in your B&W world.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Reclaimer77 on 12/13/2011 11:22:41 AM , Rating: 2
I love how just because I don't devote tons of time explaining the obvious, I'm "black and white". Of course economics are a force in play here, do I REALLY need to explain that?

However the economy can hardly be exclusively blamed for this. The recession only started three years ago, where we've seen a ten year plus trend in the cancelling of sports cars etc etc.

To dismiss the impact of strict emissions standards and fuel economy regulations on the sports car market, while pretending this doesn't impact the MSRP of the vehicle to the end consumer, is jackassery at it's finest.

It's like we're both arguing the same thing, but you won't admit the full economic realities of supply and demand. And then you want to call others extremist's.

quote:
Mustangs and Corvettes seem to be around. Camaros have returned.


Two of those cars are from a company that technically failed and had to be saved from closing the doors forever Great examples there chief! The Camaro and Mustang aren't true sports cars because they come in "all show, no go" V6 trim. The V6 versions actually outsell the high HP models.

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There are more engines out there in the 500+HP arena than there were at any other time.


Horsepower ALWAYS goes up, so how is this relevant? And again you're projecting things on my statement in order to cause conflict that's not there. Where did I say high HP vehicles were just going away? However if you looked at a list of all 500+HP vehicles you would see that, aside from a few cases, you will pay a ridiculous premium for that kind of power. But this isn't exactly a high volume market to begin with, and never really has been.

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But citing the RX7 & 8


WOW I can't use examples now? Do you know what an EXAMPLE is?


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By YashBudini on 12/13/2011 2:35:34 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
WOW I can't use examples now?

Nobody said or implied any such thing. You define yourself an extremist far better than anyone else could ever accomplish.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Spuke on 12/14/2011 3:12:44 PM , Rating: 2
He might be on some issues, IMO, but I don't see it here. I do agree with him that there are increasingly less affordable sports cars on the market. They're are plenty of sports cars to choose from, just not many that are affordable. Well, not affordable to most people.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By erple2 on 12/13/2011 1:13:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yeah I wonder what happened to Honda and all those sports cars...hmmm. Or even sports cars in general. Man it's such a mystery. I just can't figure it out!


Whatever you may think the reasons were, the reality is that it was the almighty buck. People just weren't buying sportscars any more. The reason Mazda is ditching its brilliant RX8 has little to nothin to do with CAFE standards, and almost completely has to do with people just not buying them. That's been true with almost every other manufacturer that no longer offers sports cars.

The S2000 went away due to flagging sales and increasing prices. The Prelude is gone (though it wasn't really a sports car) due to, you guessed it, poor sales. It seems the only reasonably priced sports cars these days are small cars that have sporting qualities (the anomaly seems to be the Miata).

People in the US just don't want them. Last I checked, sales of the Ford Explorer and heavier SUV's is down quite a bit, and I don't think that has anything to do with CAFE (at least, not yet). It doesn't matter what the government seems to want to enforce car companies to sell you, if people don't want to buy it, they won't.

Apparently, the almighty dollar still has a final say in what cars exist on the road today...


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Reclaimer77 on 12/13/2011 2:49:11 AM , Rating: 2
Did you just call the RX8 "brilliant"? Ummm...right. It was a mediocre car, period. If it was half as exciting and stylish as the RX-7, it would have been a hit.

Anyway I knew the first reply would be some person taking me out of context. I wasn't exclusively blaming CAFE. But CAFE makes it harder to manufacture sports cars because they are already expensive as hell to make in the first place. This, as you so pointed out, impacts sales because you have to charge more for the vehicle to get your margin.

As far as Honda goes, I guess you're going to claim "nobody" was buying the Integra too? Saying the Prelude had "poor sales" is bull. The last model year the sales were fairly poor, but do you have any idea how many Prelude's Honda sold!? It was an extremely popular car.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Reclaimer77 on 12/13/2011 2:54:46 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The reason Mazda is ditching its brilliant RX8 has little to nothin to do with CAFE standards


By the way, did you just make this up or didn't you see the press release?

"Mazda Motor Corp. has canceled production of its RX-8 rotary engine sports car, citing falling sales and stringent global emissions standards ."

Little to nothing to do with standards huh? Would you like to retract that statement?


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By YashBudini on 12/13/2011 10:56:59 AM , Rating: 2
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Little to nothing to do with standards huh?

He specifically and clearly addressed your remarks that solely addressed CAFE standards. But hey, thanks for moving the goalpost.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Reclaimer77 on 12/13/2011 11:45:54 AM , Rating: 2
Yes but he was also wrong. So what's your point?


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By YashBudini on 12/13/2011 2:06:47 PM , Rating: 2
By using the phrase "moving the goalposts" the answer was perfectly clear to everyone else, the point was addressing your double standards.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By Spuke on 12/14/2011 3:18:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The reason Mazda is ditching its brilliant RX8 has little to nothin to do with CAFE standards, and almost completely has to do with people just not buying them. That's been true with almost every other manufacturer that no longer offers sports cars.
That's what the person said. No goal post moving needed. He was clearly incorrect.


RE: Isn't that convenient?....
By YashBudini on 12/14/2011 8:30:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"Mazda Motor Corp. has canceled production of its RX-8 rotary engine sports car, citing falling sales and stringent global emissions standards ." Little to nothing to do with standards huh?

Going from CAFE to global emissions was the move. Your watching the wrong goalpost.


Who cares how many cylinders it has?
By Sivar on 12/12/2011 12:53:28 PM , Rating: 2
The number of cylinders is as meaningless as the displacement size.
Measuring power by cylinder count is like measuring fuel economy by the capacity of the fuel tank.

Anyone who believes V6 engines aren't good enough for real sports cars needs to inform Porshe, Nissan (GT-R), and Jaguar (XJ220) that their cars don't cut it. Who cares about real-world performance ... 8 is a bigger integer than 6!
Please CC to BMW, whose 4-cyl M12 engine has no business ever having been in a Formula 1 car.




RE: Who cares how many cylinders it has?
By tng on 12/12/2011 1:09:29 PM , Rating: 2
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The number of cylinders is as meaningless as the displacement size. Measuring power by cylinder count is like measuring fuel economy by the capacity of the fuel tank.
Well, yeah, but in general there are parallels with fuel tank size that go with fuel economy. For the most part, the smaller more fuel efficient vehicles have smaller tanks, which allot of us here (or at least me) thinks defeats the purpose.

I, for one, would love a 35+mpg car that has a 15 or 20 gallon tank for long trips. Pulling over off a a freeway somewhere to pay almost predatory prices for gas sucks.


RE: Who cares how many cylinders it has?
By Apone on 12/12/2011 1:19:56 PM , Rating: 3
Your nitpicking indicates you're not listening to what I'm saying. I'm not arbitrarily saying more cylinders equals better performance. My point is that Acura/Honda's traditional conservative approach, whether it's a lack of V-8 engines, etc. is holding them back from competing with the big boys. Case in point, they dropped the RSX coupe and moved the TSX up in its place as the entry-level model in hopes of competing against the BMW 3-Series. Seriously? Do you honestly think the front-wheel drive (aka European Honda Accord in a gold package) 4-cylinder (now it has a V-6 option) TSX can has a chance against the BMW 328/335/M3?


By Sunrise089 on 12/12/2011 2:24:57 PM , Rating: 2
Before it got ugly with the usual Acura redesign the TSX was actually pretty amazing and sold well. No one in their right mind would buy one over a 335i for the same price, but it was actually $10,000-15,000 cheaper, which made a lot of sense. At $28,000-30,000 with leather and sunroof the TSX is being cross shopped more versus upmarket Accords and Altimas than BMWs, and is perfect for a person who wants a luxury name, nice interior, and good drive but who doesn't need a lot of space or power.

Now I'm still bitter there was never a 1st-gen body 260hp AWD turbo model to be a grownup's EVO... :(


By YashBudini on 12/12/2011 8:41:28 PM , Rating: 2
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Measuring power by cylinder count is like measuring fuel economy by the capacity of the fuel tank.

Really? I found the Porsche 3 liter 4-cylinder and a Lotus from many years back being one of the first to charge $50K for a 4 cylinder completely ridiculous. But some people found GMs original odd firing Buick V6 to be OK. Yeesh.

More cylinders = less punishment inflicted on the driver. Ask anybody who rides a bike with more than 2 cylinders. Who ever held Jaguar in contempt or even criticized them for having 12 cylinders? Well, outside those who could not afford them. (Their reliability is a totally separate issue.)

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8 is a bigger integer than 6!

Other than you who actually said that? And which do you think will have a higher redline for any given size? 6 larger pistons with longer strokes or 8 smaller pistons with shorter strokes?


RE: Who cares how many cylinders it has?
By Reclaimer77 on 12/12/2011 9:31:29 PM , Rating: 2
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The number of cylinders is as meaningless as the displacement size. Measuring power by cylinder count is like measuring fuel economy by the capacity of the fuel tank.


It's not that it's a V6. It's that it's a normally aspirated V6, that's the problem. It's being marketed as a supercar, but it's simply overpriced for the level of power and performance it's going to offer.

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Anyone who believes V6 engines aren't good enough for real sports cars needs to inform Porshe, Nissan (GT-R), and Jaguar (XJ220) that their cars don't cut it. Who cares about real-world performance ... 8 is a bigger integer than 6!


LOL umm every single car you listed is a twin turbo. Hello?

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Please CC to BMW, whose 4-cyl M12 engine has no business ever having been in a Formula 1 car.


You mean the one boosted to within an inch of it's life? Yeah, again idiot, TURBO!

Are you beginning to see a theme here?


RE: Who cares how many cylinders it has?
By retrospooty on 12/12/2011 9:56:16 PM , Rating: 2
"It's not that it's a V6. It's that it's a normally aspirated V6, that's the problem. It's being marketed as a supercar, but it's simply overpriced for the level of power and performance it's going to offer."

Your missing a few things. First off, Honda hasnt released anything. They have a long history of Duke Nukeming the NSX. We may never see it. IF it does come, it's not just a V6, its a hybrid. A hybrid, when designed to be a gas saver is paired up with a small engine that is really under-utilized, then add electric assist and mileage is great, but power lacking. Design a hybrid without fuel economy in mind and a beefy V6 with a powerful electric assist and you have a freegin beast of a car. Cant compete? Lets wait and see its specs and road tests - if they ever come.


RE: Who cares how many cylinders it has?
By Reclaimer77 on 12/12/2011 11:41:42 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry but real sports cars don't have electric motors. Nuff said on that front.

Even then, read the article. They're talking the equivalent of 400hp. Not really impressive anymore, especially at that price. Electric motors or not, a Z06 for example still kicks this things ass.

The NSX's biggest claim to fame was handling and lightweight. With electric motors and batteries, you can pretty much forget having that.


RE: Who cares how many cylinders it has?
By m51 on 12/13/2011 7:08:05 AM , Rating: 2
So I guess Formula 1 cars are not real sports cars since they use electric motors in their Kinetic Energy Recovery systems?

Or why John Carmack says he has more fun driving his electric Tesla than his 1010hp Ferrari Testarossa or his F50. He's not a greeny either, just an engineer who likes performance wherever it comes from.

Technology has moved on, electric motors can be extremely high performance and in some ways beat out IC engines. Time to get up to date.


RE: Who cares how many cylinders it has?
By Reclaimer77 on 12/13/2011 11:51:21 AM , Rating: 2
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Or why John Carmack says he has more fun driving his electric Tesla than his 1010hp Ferrari Testarossa or his F50. He's not a greeny either, just an engineer who likes performance wherever it comes from.


Please, he's just some guy who made video games. I'll take Jeremy Clarkson's opinions of the Tesla over his. So some random guy claims he "likes" his Tesla over a twin-turbo Testarossa? Yeah that's funny. A Tesla doesn't even belong in the same sentence as the legendary Testarossa! What is wrong with you?


RE: Who cares how many cylinders it has?
By m51 on 12/13/2011 5:20:39 PM , Rating: 3
John Carmack is a brilliant engineer who also builds suborbital liquid fueled rockets. He also owns all those Ferrari's and the Tesla and drives the crap out of them. It's a valid reference point. Have you even sat in any of these vehicles?

Who actually knows what Jeremy Clarkson's opinion of the Tesla is since the script for the show including the part about it running of charge and being pushed into the hangar was already written before they had even taken possession of the car to film the show.
Top Gear is an entertainment show and truth and realism take a backseat to the entertainment. It's not a unbiased car review show. You can't take much from it without a huge grain of salt.

And if you place such weight on Top Gear maybe you'd be interested to know that Ben Collins (The Stig 2003-2010) absolutely loved the Tesla roadster.
If you had watched that Top Gear show you would also have seen Clarkson blown away by the performance, before they got into all the scripted bits about running out of juice.

Time to stop repeating your opinions over and over and re-evaluate them to see if they actually have any validity.


By Cheesew1z69 on 12/13/2011 6:50:28 PM , Rating: 3
Normally, I would agree with you, but you really need to read up on John Carmack. He founded Armadillo Aerospace, so he, IMO, is well qualified to speak of performance and is not just some random guy.


RE: Who cares how many cylinders it has?
By retrospooty on 12/13/2011 7:12:44 AM , Rating: 2
Electric motors have no wind up time, where ICE do take a few seconds. IF done right, this can help acceleration dramatically, that is if the article is correct and if Honda doesnt change their minds. If it does come, check the specs and road tests.


By Spuke on 12/14/2011 3:07:10 PM , Rating: 2
Electric motors have a operating range too.


Optimus Prime NSX
By kenyee on 12/12/2011 11:27:20 AM , Rating: 2
I hate the Acura styling...reminds of Transformers :-P

Haven't really like Acura styling since the original NSX before they put frog's eyes on it :-(




RE: Optimus Prime NSX
By tng on 12/12/2011 1:13:48 PM , Rating: 2
I would have to see this in person really before I could say either way.

It is like the GM Volt, I liked the looks of the prototype they paraded around, but then they changed it. I still thought it was OK, but didn't realize that all of the pics I had seen were from the front. The first time I seen it in traffic and seen the ugly rear end... Well, nuff said.


The original...
By ballist1x on 12/13/2011 6:35:06 AM , Rating: 2
Was sucessful because although it had relatively low power, it didnt weigh too much and had fantastic balance/handling...

Something with electric motors, batteries etc isnt going to be lightweight. And this car isnt going to be particularly green.

So why even bother making such a half way house car that doesnt deliver what the predecessor did nor does it deliver green? Enthousiast cars should be built for the driver, as the original was. Diluting this in some kind of elecric smokescreen seems to be taking away from the driver..




By inperfectdarkness on 12/15/2011 10:14:24 AM , Rating: 2
...even with all the talk of mazda in this thread, no one has pointed out the obvious.

this car looks WAY more like a mazda furai than anything acura has ever done.




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