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Unable to compete, OEM bemoans Microsoft decision to step up

Like King Theoden of The Lord of the Rings, Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), old and gray, watched as Apple, Inc.’s (AAPL) tablets, which were increasingly cannibalizing users' screen time, imperiled its kingdom.  Like the king, Microsoft's advisors whispered false promises of security.  Any day now a successful Windows tablet would come out...

Except it didn't.  So Microsoft, at last awoken, took up the sword unveiling the Surface -- a slick Windows 8 tablet that shocked the tech world.

Now its finding that some of its former allies have taken its awakening quite badly.  Among those is Acer, Inc. (TPE:2353).

Acer played the role of Wormtongue to Microsoft's Theoden, ever lofting big promises in the tablet space, and ever falling behind Apple misstep by misstep.  Now the company hisses at its former ally for taking matters into its own hands.

Comments JT Wang, chairman and chief executive of Acer, in an interview with The Financial Times, "We have said [to Microsoft] think it over.  Think twice. It will create a huge negative impact for the ecosystem and other brands may take a negative reaction. It is not something you are good at so please think twice."

Campbell Kan, Acer’s president for personal computer global operations, adds a not-so-subtle threat, suggesting, "If Microsoft … is going to do hardware business, what should we do? Should we still rely on Microsoft, or should we find other alternatives?"

Microsoft in regulatory filings has acknowledged that its OEMs may be hurt by Surface.  But the key thing to note is that the whole reason that Microsoft entered this face was because its partners failed, miserably, to compete against Apple.

Acer's sour grapes are perhaps a testament to the overall weakness of its tablet line.  J.T. Wang in Dec. 2011 called his company's product's "cheap" and "unprofitable".  Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930) and others have outsold Acer in the emerging Android tablet market.

Even if Microsoft's Surface proves successful, volumes will likely remain relatively low, by Microsoft's own accounting.  Thus companies like Samsung who have promising Windows 8 tablet products should be fine.  

For companies like Acer, who lack viable tablet product of any flavor, there will likely be much bellyaching.  But at the end of the day they forced Microsoft to make this decision in the first place, and if they focused on creating viable products rather than making hollow threats, then they would have far less to worry about.

Source: Financial Times

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By Dawnesha on 8/7/2012 1:55:48 PM , Rating: 2
This gave me a good chuckle. :P
Acer is a HUGE joke.

RE: Aaaha
By scrapsma54 on 8/7/2012 3:10:02 PM , Rating: 2
Rest in peace gatway. Acer Killed you.

RE: Aaaha
By Cypherdude1 on 8/7/2012 4:03:31 PM , Rating: 2
I would like to see Microsoft come out with something similar to the "Lenovo Idea Tablet S2109 9.7-Inch 16 GB Tablet":

The differences I want are a quad core CPU, USB 3.0, and Windows 8. The Lenovo does not have these of course. What I like about the Lenovo are its 4 speakers in the back, hdmi out, & microSD. The 4 speakers are great for seeing movies. No other tablet has 4 speakers.

RE: Aaaha
By zephyrprime on 8/7/2012 6:03:03 PM , Rating: 2
The 4 speakers are great but everything else about it is the same as any other tablet. What's the big deal?

RE: Aaaha
By really on 8/8/2012 6:13:34 PM , Rating: 2
I've never had speakers improve my ability to see a movie before those must really be phenomenal. The 4:3 screen ratio definitely won't help you see movies. I'll wait for the Surface.

RE: Aaaha
By GotThumbs on 8/8/2012 9:19:48 AM , Rating: 2
Acer execs need to go back to school and learn about free markets. If they can't remain competitive...then they should die and be reborn.

Microsoft is not preventing ACER from building a tablet.....MS just got tired of the current substandard products. Lazy, unimaginative and complacent development should not be sustained through charity. It's a business....get to work or fade away into history.

Time for ACERS execs to grow up. It's not kindergarten.

RE: Aaaha
By Reclaimer77 on 8/8/12, Rating: -1
RE: Aaaha
By bah12 on 8/8/2012 10:37:43 AM , Rating: 4
Hypocritical much? By your own admission Android is far superior to iOS, and Acer has access to Android. So by extension the OEM's have had a superior OS, and still failed to compete. I agree Windows has not been viable in the tablet/mobile space, however it is quite clear Andriod can be.

MS just hasn't seen any OEM come up with an iPad killer using ANY OS. IMO it is just too big of a gamble to fail. Win8 has enough naysayers on the desktop, so it better damn well revolutionize the tablet/mobile space. It is far to risky to leave that launch success to OEM's that have utterly failed for the last few years to make anything remotely competitive (in the tablet space that is).

RE: Aaaha
By spamreader1 on 8/8/2012 11:49:10 AM , Rating: 2
My understanding was Microsoft wasn't impressed by the offerings that OEM's were preparing with the windows 8 pre-release anyway. Not necissarily an issue with thier current attempts at using windows 7 in the tablet market.

RE: Aaaha
By encia on 8/8/2012 11:15:39 AM , Rating: 1
For tablet OS, the "substandard product" is Windows 7.

RE: Aaaha
By dgingerich on 8/7/2012 3:40:18 PM , Rating: 2
Acer used to make decent systems, back in the 486 days. Once the Pentiums came out, their reliability dropped like a rock.

they used to make great monitors, too. I had an Acer 34T 14" monitor for over 8 years before I upgraded to a 19", followed within two years by my first LCD. That 34T is still the monitor that I owned the longest. It had a beautiful screen for the time. Even the 19" that I replaced it with didn't have as nice of a screen. It wasn't until I got my current 27" HP (2560X1440) that I got the pixels and small and sharp as those.

It's really too bad that Acer has gone downhill so hard. They're just makers of cheap garbage these days.

RE: Aaaha
By geddarkstorm on 8/7/2012 5:32:21 PM , Rating: 3
I grew up on an Acer with a 75 MHz Pentium processor and Windows 95/98SE. It originally came with this Acer UI running ontop of Windows 95, it was... weird but kinda interesting, useful if the computer had been a tablet, maybe. It put things in categorical areas with GIGANTIC buttons. But then we upgraded to 98 SE when it came out.

BSODs were a regular part of computer use back then. Amazing how things have changed.

RE: Aaaha
By Motoman on 8/7/2012 7:11:16 PM , Rating: 3
Sony had a similar thing back in the Windows 95 days...they called it "VAIO."

You had this goofy little screen that had big, huge icons to click on, meant to be used by people who were befuddled by digital watches.

Reminds me of Metro...

RE: Aaaha
By Gunbuster on 8/8/2012 11:43:24 AM , Rating: 2
I worked at Best Buy back in the day at a service center. I used to super glue cpu heatsinks to the meager bent sheet metal one Acer put on the VRM to stop them from blue screening.

RE: Aaaha
By kondor999 on 8/7/2012 4:38:51 PM , Rating: 3
I love my Acer 4820TG that is now 2 years old and *still* there is nothing quite as balanced:

* i5-460m @ 2.8ghz.
* Radeon 5650 easily oc'ed to 700Mhz (from 550 stock).
* 8 hours battery life with a 9-cell.
* Room for 2 drives in a thin/light chassis.
* Crappy 1366x768 screen (oops - plenty of those).

It's dead reliable, very fast (esp with a Vertex 4 512gb SSD) and even has room for 2 drives. All in a thin/light platform with great battery life. It eats everything I throw at it: from Battlefield 3 (med and high settings) to ARMA 2 (courtesy of the strong CPU). I have a monster desktop with tri-SLI GTX580 3gb, 5ghz i7-2600k and the works - but this little notebook can handle 90% of everything I need to do.

If Acer is a "joke", why can this little $899 notebook from 2 years ago (get them on eBay for less than half that now) *still* wipe the floor with 99% of the thin/light notebooks available in 2012?

RE: Aaaha
By Master Kenobi on 8/7/2012 7:03:07 PM , Rating: 2
Acer's notebook line has always been good bang for your buck, even more so recently, but their mobile line aka tablets are just jokes.

RE: Aaaha
By yomamafor1 on 8/7/2012 7:05:39 PM , Rating: 2
Because it overheats way too often. To include all these "great" hardwares in an ultralight form factor, they installed a fan that was way too underpowered.

RE: Aaaha
By Mitch101 on 8/7/2012 7:35:47 PM , Rating: 1
I have an Acer laptop which I recently gave an SSD to put life back into the unit and I have a few Acer monitors going strong. If you dont mind a little bulk and a little give in the plastic for the lower price you pay then Acer is not a bad build. My laptop is 3 years old and cost me $300.00 and Im running Windows 8 smooth and fast on it.

Still Microsoft had to make a tablet because they need to push the envelope of design, innovation, hardware. If not we would get a plethora of those cheap garbage disposable Android tablets that are floating around ruining the experience. Google had to do the same and came out with their own tablet too because of similar issues. Too many cheap tablets not enough quality ones. Kudos to Google and Microsoft for stepping up the game and challenging the industry to keep or or do better.

RE: Aaaha
By xti on 8/7/2012 9:46:01 PM , Rating: 2
we just told you "civic > neon"...and you came back with "BUT THE VIPER IS AWESOME"

RE: Aaaha
By kmmatney on 8/8/2012 11:21:39 PM , Rating: 2
2 years isn't enough to matter. My 2006 Dell Inspiron 17" 9400 is still running great. Any laptop should have no trouble lasting 2 years.

RE: Aaaha
By kondor999 on 8/9/2012 10:55:09 PM , Rating: 2
Just wanted to add that my little 2-year-old 4820TG scores 1364 on 3DMark11, which compares quite favorably with much more expensive hardware released *this year*:

I'm just saying this: Acer makes a damn fine notebook, and maybe they should just stick to that. I've got $2000 set aside for a new notebook, but quite honestly, I can't find anything with the same combination of lightness, size and graphics power along with space for 2 drives.

Maybe the Lenovo Y580 with the GTX660m?

RE: Aaaha
By Argon18 on 8/7/12, Rating: -1
RE: Aaaha
By xti on 8/7/2012 9:50:22 PM , Rating: 4
If the pro is a decent tablet that runs x86... im in for 1.

RE: Aaaha
By Devo2007 on 8/7/2012 11:29:59 PM , Rating: 2
Why would Microsoft be on the tablet radar if they haven't even released a proper tablet before? (Tablet PC's running full-fledged Operating Systems don't count).

Also, Android tablets have been making inroads in iPad's market share. iPad is still tops, and if Apple does release the iPad Mini then it will likely continue; but if the iPad Mini ends up being nothing more than vaporware, then they'll be in trouble. Fact is, the 7" budget tablet is starting to gain a fair bit of traction. With Amazon set to release the next-gen Kindle Fire soon, expect competition in this segment to flourish.

RE: Aaaha
By polishvendetta on 8/8/2012 9:12:30 AM , Rating: 2
Pretty sure people said the same thing about the Xbox, and look where Microsoft is with that now.

RE: Aaaha
By retrospooty on 8/8/2012 8:45:15 AM , Rating: 2
"Microsoft tablets are a huge joke. Is anybody going to buy them?"

Yes. Businesses that need x86 apps to run. I would say that is it's "niche" but enterprise is more than just a niche, its a pretty big chunk at least. Beyond that, there are consumers that would want/need the same thing. "I want a tablet, but I need it to run my xxxxxx (x86 app)"

RE: Aaaha
By zero2dash on 8/8/2012 8:53:05 AM , Rating: 2
Acer makes decent stuff at cheap prices that beat HP, Dell etc. by at least $50 for the same innards. By all means - continue overpaying for the same stuff on the inside just to avoid the company that is a "HUGE joke".

Very happy with an Aspire laptop I picked up early this year for college. Same specs, $100 less than the HP's. $399 out the door at Microcenter for a SB i3.

I just talked 2 friends into getting Acer laptops. Similar (albeit updated) i3's for only $349. So far I've done software installs/prep work on one of them...again, nicely built.

I use Acer monitors at work; S231HLbid's. Decent monitors for the price.

10 years ago I would have never considered let alone recommended or bought any Acer products. Nowadays - everyone's cheaping out on parts unless you go business class (higher end Lenovo or Dell). Can't say I've seen any Acer stuff lately that was put together any less stable than HP, Dell, Compaq, Gateway, or Toshiba.

No one competes with Apple
By Motoman on 8/7/2012 2:30:47 PM , Rating: 2
...just give it up. People buying Apple products aren't making their decisions on the actual product itself...if someone is in the market for an iPad, and your tablet cures cancer, prints money, and washes your car, they're still going to buy an iPad.

As for Acer, they're fine. They've managed to hit a real impressive sweet spot the last couple years for value in their laptop division. I've sold lots of them to my clients...had a problem with one, which was quickly rectified with a return. Otherwise they seem great. At the very least, no worse than any other major OEM.

...but that's a thin-margin market - always has been, always will be.

There won't be another cult like Apple. There won't be anyone else charging their prices for that kind of crap. So fuggedaboutit. Not going to happen. Compete against everyone else based on features and price, and let Apple take care of Apple.

RE: No one competes with Apple
By danjw1 on 8/7/2012 4:22:36 PM , Rating: 2
I think you are missing something. Apple has apps that are designed for tablets. Android and Windows don't. That is the main thing that is missing. Give people a good use case and they will come.

RE: No one competes with Apple
By TakinYourPoints on 8/7/12, Rating: 0
RE: No one competes with Apple
By gsleon3 on 8/7/2012 4:53:58 PM , Rating: 5
LOL...Android HAS had tablet apps for quite some time. It has just recently been that the actually now call them tablet versions. Android apps can be developed to format to any resolution or layout therefore making "tablet apps" unnecessary. As for faster, meh....I have had both & it depends on what you mean by faster. I know that java script & flash website issues that plague Apple are not an issue for my Nexus 7. Android is already at LTE & nearing dual band wireless-n capability. Many already let you chose between the 2.4Ghz & the typically less cluttered 5.0Ghz wireless-n frequency, which is great when streaming an HD video to my 70" LED. For the folks that claim they "Invented" the modern smartphone, they sure haven't done much with it since then. The amount of development & innovation from 1st gen Android to the S3 or One X is amazing. I had several iDevices & they were great, but Android just offers more & more than anything I love having a plethora of options for content, not just iTunes.

RE: No one competes with Apple
By robinthakur on 8/8/2012 5:29:45 AM , Rating: 2
Yer I really miss dragging and dropping all my content to a slow memory card and using unreliable 'sync' software like iSyncr, DoubleTwist and the rest. More than anything, I miss the time when remotes didn't work reliably on my phone and I have to change tracks on the device manually. So much innovation. Android has come on in leaps and bounds, but they still don't make the devices easy enough to use. I'm a developer and gave up on the S3 eventually due to the above lack of progress, not sure how anyone less technical would work it out. Yes it can wirelessly share photos I take with everybody around me (might be useful in Korea, but otherwise one of the numerous pointless features nobody will ever use) but if you can't even get MP3 playback right, give up. Maybe it works better on the HTC X, but the S3 is shambolic at that assuming you don't just buy phones to tinker with and endlessly reflash custom roms.

By TakinYourPoints on 8/8/2012 6:19:34 AM , Rating: 1
Android tablets have nothing like the developer ecosystem that iOS does, nor is it as profitable as the iOS platform. The difference in quantity, depth, and quality in tablet apps between them is massive.

Android apps can be developed to format to any resolution or layout therefore making "tablet apps" unnecessary.

Nonsense, I've used those non-tablet optimized apps on Android and it is second rate in every way. Compare something like the Yelp or Twitter apps on Android tablets versus the iPad, night and day difference in usability because the UI was made for a big touchscreen.

What you advocate is like saying that a mobile web page should be good enough for the desktop browser on my 27" desktop PC display. After all, it'll just scale to fill the window, right?

What you describe is a halfass solution in the real world.

As for LTE, I don't know why you brought that up, 4G LTE on the iPad is really fast. I tested 10/10 download/upload on it, an even faster upload speed than the 5Mbps I get on my cable.

As for performance, Anand posted newer GPU benchmarks:

As I said, an iPad 2 from early 2011 still performs better than the latest Android tablet hardware. Don't take it out on Apple, take it out on NVIDIA for dropping the ball on their SOCs.

RE: No one competes with Apple
By StevoLincolnite on 8/7/2012 7:51:29 PM , Rating: 2
I know these logical and quantifiable facts are "fairy dust" to the hivemind here, but there it is.

But it is fairy dust.
The iPad 2 was never the fastest tablet even upon release, my convertible netbook/tablet is faster and that has an Intel Atom processor and can handle 1080P video playback just fine. (Thanks to a Broadcom Crystal HD chip!)

Then when surface arrives, suddenly Tablets will be running with Ivy Bridge processors, the Arm based processor that the iPad uses is competitive to the Atom, but no way will it touch Ivy Bridge.
Plus a Windows 8 tablet can do actual real work due a full featured OS (Unless it's the RT), real keyboard and a decent processor.

By robinthakur on 8/8/2012 5:20:17 AM , Rating: 2
Lol, you must be joking. Only one tablet so far has been accepted fully into the Enterprise space and has the number of decent apps that the iPad does. What's the point of lovely hardware with nothing to run on it? IMO Apps and particularly exclusive apps (and of course environmental lock-in) is what keeps people buying iPhones and iPads, not the shiny and well built hardware. I can open and edit all MS Office and PDF documents, use SharePoint fully, Lync Server, One Note (through MS's own iPad apps!) and get full exchange mail/calendar compatibility on my work iPad and probably only the MS tablet will match or better it on Office compatibility. If they release a version of Office for the iPad at this stage, MS have signed their own death warrant IMO, people at work prefer them to their thin clients (and give them nicknames).

Acer do what they do very well apart from tablets, they make cheap bang for buck laptops for windows users. They are not positioned as Apple competitors despite what their CEO might like to believe. The trackpad and buttons alone are awful on my old Acer and the whole thing flexes like its supposed to be a feature. The margins are thin for a reason. If you do pony up for a Retina Macbook, it's very clear that you get what you pay for, it's built like a beautiful tank.

This entire article must be a troll
By CZroe on 8/7/2012 5:36:29 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously: How could Microsoft and DailyTech be comfortable with their explanation for Microsoft's actions and position? How can either imply that Acer and others have already failed to compete against the iPad and, thus, failed Microsoft, when Microsoft hasn't delivered on their end yet FOR Acer and others to prove themselves?

Without the Microsoft-provided tablet-oriented OS component Acer and others needed to compete, is Microsoft saying that this is punishment because because they should have already allied with a tablet OS competitor and gone on to compete well against Apple? Perhaps Microsoft is saying that Acer and others should have made their own tablet OS all on their own, accomplishing even what Microsoft has not yet done and done so sooner even while starting from scratch AND having to deliver on the hardware side. Pfft. If either of those things happened, why would they need Microsoft?! Also, wouldn't Microsoft be even MORE inclined to compete with them?

This explanation makes absolutely no sense. It is what it is: It's an excuse to burn their partners because they know they can do better or at least make more money. DailyTech should call them on it instead of repeatedly rubbing it in. I know that they are actually talking about *past* history with phones, tablet PCs, specialized laptops, etc, but Microsoft has always been a HUGE factor in those failing as well. In fact, aren't we counting our chickens before they hatch when in comes to Metro and Windows 8 on ARM?

RE: This entire article must be a troll
By Belard on 8/7/2012 7:40:12 PM , Rating: 2
But the key thing to note is that the whole reason that Microsoft entered this face was because its partners failed, miserably, to compete against Apple.

yeah, I guess everyone missed it when MS released WindowsTab 7, eh?

How could the hardware people compete against Apple or Android with $1200~1600 slates running Windows7. WP7 has sold horribly. Acer and the others need to start selling notebooks and desktops without WindowsOS.

By encia on 8/8/2012 11:05:51 AM , Rating: 2
ACER Iconia W500 tablet was sold at similar price as Apple iPad 2, but Windows 7 can't live without the keyboard/mouse. Windows 7 is not designed as a true tablet OS.

Atm,I have installed Android-x86 4.0 RC2 and Windows 8 PV. I rarely use Windows 7.

By encia on 8/8/2012 11:24:27 AM , Rating: 2
I didn't miss Windows 7 on Acer iconia W500. Windows 7 is just $hit as a tablet OS.

I have installed Android X86 4.0 RC2 on my Acer Iconia W500.

RE: This entire article must be a troll
By xti on 8/7/2012 9:53:52 PM , Rating: 2
why is MS in the wrong? they should share their ability?

its business. goal is to make the most money. You think MS cares that Acer isnt coming to their party next week or something?

By CZroe on 8/7/2012 10:18:24 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not saying they are wrong. I'm saying that DailyTech needs to call it like it is instead of taking what Microsoft says and rubbing it in Acer's face without questioning it despite the GLARING flaws in logic.

Obviously Acer thinks that they might care, hence the threat.

Mission Accomplished...
By Arsynic on 8/7/2012 1:55:58 PM , Rating: 2
That's exactly what MS wants to hear.

RE: Mission Accomplished...
By MrBlastman on 8/7/2012 2:02:51 PM , Rating: 2

At least they didn't threaten to sick lawyers on them... *looks at Apple*

RE: Mission Accomplished...
By quiksilvr on 8/7/2012 2:12:18 PM , Rating: 2
The day Acer tries to challenge Microsoft is the day Acer stops making PCs. Don't poke the bear, kids.

RE: Mission Accomplished...
By FITCamaro on 8/7/2012 2:38:58 PM , Rating: 1
Oh I'm sure they'd win in the EU. Because of the EU's blatant anti-Microsoft stance. Nevermind Apple doesn't even allow others to compete with them with devices that run iOS. I'm quite sure the lawsuit against Microsoft for being anti-competitive for offering hardware that uses their software is coming.

You have to love this
By Varun on 8/7/2012 4:20:52 PM , Rating: 2
The world's #3 PC maker is calling out Microsoft. In any other world, that would be a bad thing. In this case, we can only pray that the non-stop junk from this company may come to an end.

Everything they make is terrible.

Don't worry though Acer - Microsoft is going to leave the low end of the market for you. That seems to be where you love to live anyway.

If companies like Acer had ever made anything compelling, then MS wouldn't need to make their own tablet.

p.s. Where are you going to go? You can't make an Apple tablet, Android is in THE SAME BOAT with Google making a reference platform, and that leaves you... oh yeah maybe Linux? Good luck with that Acer.

RE: You have to love this
By jnemesh on 8/7/2012 7:31:37 PM , Rating: 2
"Good luck with Linux"? Yeah, guess what people are going to move to when Apple and Microsoft are the "closed" platforms? Linux is a bit rough around the edges, but it has been rapidly improving. It is far less archaic and intimidating to a first time user than it was just 3 or 4 years ago! Add to that the fact that Valve, EA, and other MAJOR game studios are CURRENTLY developing AAA titles for Linux RIGHT NOW. Also add in the fact that hardware manufacturers are LIVID at Microsoft's entrance into the hardware market...and you will see an unprecedented amount of money being thrown at Linux to develop it into a true competitor!

Now, take MILLIONS of frustrated Windows users and try shoving "it's not Metro anymore" down their throats...sit back and watch what happens.

RE: You have to love this
By jnemesh on 8/7/2012 7:37:51 PM , Rating: 2
"Good luck with Linux"? Yeah, guess what people are going to move to when Apple and Microsoft are the "closed" platforms? Linux is a bit rough around the edges, but it has been rapidly improving. It is far less archaic and intimidating to a first time user than it was just 3 or 4 years ago! Add to that the fact that Valve, EA, and other MAJOR game studios are CURRENTLY developing AAA titles for Linux RIGHT NOW. Also add in the fact that hardware manufacturers are LIVID at Microsoft's entrance into the hardware market...and you will see an unprecedented amount of money being thrown at Linux to develop it into a true competitor!

Now, take MILLIONS of frustrated Windows users and try shoving "it's not Metro anymore" down their throats...sit back and watch what happens.

By Hilariousity on 8/7/2012 2:05:42 PM , Rating: 2
Acer's products are crap compared to other OEM's. Its amazing how many problems I've had with drivers for their hardware in the past

RE: Ha!
By encia on 8/8/2012 11:13:02 AM , Rating: 2
I don't have driver problems with my Acer Iconia W500 tablet.

Acer needs Microsoft
By jardows on 8/7/2012 2:21:28 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder what Acer would do without Microsoft for their laptops and desktop computers? Might be the push Linux fans have been looking for to get it adopted in the mass markets!

RE: Acer needs Microsoft
By encia on 8/8/2012 10:55:59 AM , Rating: 2
Google Android 4.1 for tablets.

Acer should have updated thier Android SOC to quad-core ARM A9/+ quad-GPU Mali combo(same as Samsung Galaxy S3 i9300), not some NVIDIA Tegra 3 junk.

PS I have installed Android X86 4.0 RC2 on Acer Iconia W500.

By Nortel on 8/7/2012 2:26:10 PM , Rating: 2
This is the same as Google owning Motorola and at the same time providing the OS to Samsung, HTC, Sony, etc...

Acer's ONLY choices are to keep producing Android tablets or start pumping out Windows tablets. Yes, it will be a hell of a struggle to compete in the hardware space when Microsoft can spend almost unlimited funds in advertising and it leaves Acer to pick up the scraps. At the end of the day its Android vs Microsoft vs Apple and Apple has it's $hit on lockdown. If MS is capitalizing on their flavor of tablet then you can see what kind of 'the rest' will be out there running Android.

RE: competition
By encia on 8/8/2012 11:09:31 AM , Rating: 2
Acer Iconia W500 says Hi. As a tablet OS, Windows 7 is not competitive against Android 4.x.

I have since installed Android-x86 4.0 RC2 on my Acer Iconia W500.

The error in the analogy
By Shadowself on 8/7/2012 2:29:41 PM , Rating: 2
is that in the LOTR Theoden was poisoned by Saruman's magic.

In this case (if Theoden is to be taken as Microsoft) Theoden has poisoned himself and everyone else too. (Microsoft's previous attempts at a true tablet OS [a true ring of power if we continue with the analogy] has been so bad as to be poisonous to the entire ecosystem, not just Microsoft.)

If Theoden/Microsoft has finally come up with a pure magic (Windows 8) then it has little if anything to do with the sword in hand (Surface) or the courtiers (Acer, etc.). In fact the sword may be more frightening to comrades than to enemies. It is a two edged sword after all.

(The analogy really breaks down here since Theoden never was a magic user.)

Why Microsoft has now decided with Windows 8 in hand to abandon it's prior model (Just ship the OS and let partners ship the hardware) that's been good for three decades and is still considered good enough for Google (with Android, though the Google/Motorola team seems to belie this a bit) and go with a modified Apple model mystifies me.

Even with Apple's supposed surge in the world of today, it has not come close to Microsoft's dominance in the OS and office bundle worlds (supposedly > 95% and > 85% respectively at their peaks). People talk about Apple's dominance in the music player or smart phone or tablet worlds, but it is nothing like the dominance Microsoft used to have -- and in some arenas still has. If Windows 8 really is the new (or resurgence of old) magic then gathering an army around it powered by the new magic is the way to go not openly fostering desertion from the ranks.

Google's magic seems to be working just fine for them by getting legions to join the Google army.

RE: The error in the analogy
By semiconshawn on 8/7/2012 4:40:00 PM , Rating: 2
Hahahaha a comment longer than the article explaining why the LOTR analogy is bad. I love this place. Tech mixed with a smidgen of dork.

Double Stupid
By Flunk on 8/7/2012 2:35:15 PM , Rating: 2
Acer already makes Android tablets, who is betraying who here?

What a battle cry
By semiconshawn on 8/7/2012 4:31:23 PM , Rating: 2
"If Microsoft … is going to do hardware business, what should we do? Should we still rely on Microsoft, or should we find other alternatives?"

Yes there is giant market for substandard unreliable pc hardware running an OS that nobody supports or even has. I suggest a high end line of Chrome books and linux based ultra books. After all....Its better to burn out than to fade away.

By kingmotley on 8/7/2012 5:18:16 PM , Rating: 2
It is not something you are good at

Apparently Acer isn't either.

The bottom line is...
By Landiepete on 8/8/2012 8:00:01 AM , Rating: 2
that Acer has been making very mediocre products for a long time, and they make so many models and variations of their stuff that even a cat in the market for mediocre stuff wouldn't be able to find her kittens in there.

People who cared for more upmarket gear went elsewhere, and people looking for budget gear found better deals elswhere.

Acer has created a whole niche market for itself. Unfortunately it is the niche with stuff nobody wants.

And they've been doing it for so many years nobody even considers them anymore when they want to make a purchase.

They need to compete on quality or price...not on averages.

There. Free business advice

Samsung Series 7 tablet
By encia on 8/8/2012 10:47:54 AM , Rating: 2
>Microsoft entered this face was because its partners
>failed, miserably, to compete against Apple.
That's BS Microsoft.

Against Google Android or Apple iOS, the fail is with MIA tablet OS from Microsoft i.e. Windows 7 is not good enough against Google Android 4.0 or iPad 2/3's iOS.

Microsoft Surface Pro looks like Samsung Series 7 tablet knockoff.

Samsung Series 7 Slate tablet (12.85 mm) is still thinner than Microsoft Surface Pro (13.5 mm)


The problem is with Microsoft i.e. MIA Windows 8.

Acer USA products
By Gunbuster on 8/7/2012 3:29:38 PM , Rating: 1
Let’s analyze the Acer USA landing page shall we?

1: Lead with an 1366X768 Ultrabook. Bonus, nothing says ultra like a fuzzy bunny on fire breaking through your screen

2: Next in the image carousel (THAT. YOU. CANT. STOP. from rotating) is an android tablet that looks exactly like the HP Touchpad: Fail

3: Cloud something high school/college grad theme. Acer phone (Laugh), Ultrabook, Tablet: Boring and a total laugh on the phone. I would be surprised if one grad in the entire world ever requested an Acer phone.

4: Some sort of all in one touch screen PC: maybe not shit on Microsoft so much if your #4 featured product is a touch screen PC that will benefit immensely from Windows 8. Special bonus for using an image with prominent euro or asian type electrical receptacles on the US site.

5: A bunch of generic looking tablets one would expect to find for sale on the street in china. Images imply they have a shitty tablet for every member of my family.

6: Acer business products? Servers? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Pathetic.

By dark matter on 8/8/2012 3:54:31 AM , Rating: 1
FU Acer.

Mwaah ha ha ha. Acer, what a joke.

Go get em MS....

And the usual fanboy bullshit. Because pissing off your major OEM's is just fine isn't it. Not to mention pissing off your developers as well.

All to release a fucking tablet, that isn't actually a tablet, because it comes with a fucking keyboard. So, it's really an upmarket netbook.

All because ballmer hasn't got a fucking clue how to beat Apple, so instead he blames the OEM's.

And then you get fucking idiots defending Microsoft when one of Microsofts partners complains...

I like Windows, I've used it all my life. But Windows 8 doesn't solve any problems, it creates them.

The Spin
By Reclaimer77 on 8/7/12, Rating: -1
RE: The Spin
By justsomeone on 8/7/2012 2:08:59 PM , Rating: 2
ASUS makes the Transformer tablet.

RE: The Spin
By Reclaimer77 on 8/7/2012 2:16:29 PM , Rating: 2
lmao well that's embarrassing. Edit feature GO!

I don't know how I got the two wow.

RE: The Spin
By Jeffk464 on 8/7/2012 8:00:54 PM , Rating: 2
Transformer gets my thumbs, when you want to type something out I say just dock it to a full blown keyboard.

RE: The Spin
By Connoisseur on 8/7/2012 2:10:25 PM , Rating: 2
That would be ASUS.

RE: The Spin
By JasonMick on 8/7/2012 2:11:14 PM , Rating: 5
Am I wrong or wasn't it ACER who finally created a successful iPad competitor for Android with it's Transformer Prime line?
You would be wrong... that would be Asus, a completely different company.
I think we should give some credit here, it was ACER that showed us the way.
Err, no. Asus, Samsung, and Amazon deserve some credit for providing successful tablet alternative. Acer's tablet line has failed to differentiate itself and has generally been a big fail.
I think it's a little sensationalized to say that Surface is beyond it's competition when we haven't seen a single review or benchmark of the product yet. Microsoft hasn't beaten the world yet, they have quite a hill to climb.
It's beyond past Windows tablet designs in looks -- that much wasn't hard. Like I said, Samsung's tablets should be competitive. Acer's Windows 8 tablets were pretty "meh"... nothing very special about them, and they look kinda bulky.

RE: The Spin
By encia on 8/8/2012 10:59:57 AM , Rating: 1
Refer to Samsung Galaxy Tab for credible iPad competitor for Android.

RE: The Spin
By inaphasia on 8/11/2012 6:06:03 PM , Rating: 1
Actually, I'm not suprised you got it wrong. I've been an ASUS fan for a couple of years now, and for the life of me can't figure out why I don't see more of their stuff knocking around in real life (not tech sites). And I bet they got 10 times the design awards Apple has. Why no customers ASUS?

On topic:
Microsoft hasn't beaten the world yet, they have quite a hill to climb.

Oh but they have. The idea and design of the Surface are beyond awesome. I'm sure Microsoft are hoping for a runaway success but I doubt even they believe it could really happen. This looks like an excersize in creativity. I guess what I'm trying to say is Surface's (I actually wrote Courier's first, he he) mission has already been accomplished:)

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